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78113965 No.78113965 [Reply] [Original]

>Made $8mil
>use $7m of it for stock buyback
Wtf were they thinking? is enikara retarded?
https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/ir/news
https://ssl4.eir-parts.net/doc/5032/ir_material1/231219/00.pdf

>> No.78114021

>>78113965
The point of a business is to make the stock price go up

>> No.78114057

>>78113965
Yes

>> No.78114078

>>78113965
weren't they going to expand their 3D mocap studio? what happened to that budget?

>> No.78114184

>>78113965
>$8mil
>dollars
Try again.

>> No.78114197

Daisenpai naked dogezaing for Bilibili's yuan deflection thread

>> No.78114227

>>78113965
Why doesn't he just sell his stock and make off with the money?

>> No.78114262

>>78113965
Not as retarded as tranny nijisisters sperging at the sight of this post, watch them come to shittersanji's defense, anytime now...

>> No.78114459

>>78114078
I guess keeping up apperance for investors is more important to them than actually growing their bussiness.
The real example of It looks great from the outside but empty inside

>> No.78114506

>>78113965
are you fucking retarded?
do you not know how to read numbers?
that's not MILLION or $ and it doesn't even convert to single digit million
it's fucking more

>> No.78114541

JP investors have literal brain damage so they actually fall for these types of scams.

>> No.78114794

>>78113965
Oh piss off you drama peddler. It's just 8 billion, which isn't bad.
It isn't bad.

>> No.78114882

>>78113965
At this rate they'll have to start selling Rosemi and Scarle bodyparts to stay afloat.

>> No.78114919

>>78113965
Because If Riku wouldn't have done it, he would have gotten his asshole torn apart by the investors

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>>78114919
>He would have gotten his asshole torn apart by the investors
KEK

>> No.78115568

>>78114919
Figuratively or literally?

>> No.78115941
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78115941

>>78113965
>A negligible loss. We'll make the money back with our incoming concerts. Make Vox pander extra hard to the sisters just in case.

>> No.78116016

>>78113965
Still more money than you'll ever have Holochink. Merry Christmas

>> No.78116062

>>78114919
>YWN have a sissified qt3.14 AZN ex-multi-millionaire as your personal cumdumpster
I've never hated shareholders more than at this very moment

>> No.78116305

>Buy all the stocks back so now you have more/full control of the company and don't need to bow to investors
I'm sorry but how is this "bad"?
It's not like investors are doing them any favors or any good.

>> No.78116445

>>78116305
If you buy more stocks, it makes it harder for your company to pull out. And Anycolor is now in the position of
>split stocks
>margin loan trading activated
>2 buybacks now
They literally can not ever liquidate the stocks. They HAVE to keep spending higher and higher exorbitant amounts of money, and in this case 90% of their profit, to keep the stocks from sinking.

Basically, they're propping up a paper boat with more paper.

>> No.78116557

>>78116445
Well I'm not a /biz/fag all I know is going public in general is a bad idea, but I see what you're saying

>> No.78116916

>>78115568
Literally. the stock would fall off a cliff and Riku'd lose his shirt.

>> No.78117051

Is /vt/ upset that riku is reinvesting instead of cashing out?
Wtf is it opposite day here or are all of you retarded?

>> No.78117931

>>78115941
>tell that nigga to drop this chuuni shit he's doing and go back to the old model

>> No.78118180

>>78117051
>reinvesting
He's not reinvesting into his company, he's reinvesting into it's stock. Here's the funny thing about stocks: they're worthless until traded.

Now, show us a single trade from Anycolor.

>> No.78118245

>>78117051
>reinvesting
retard

>> No.78118463

>>78117051
reinvesting the company's money into the shareholders pockets lmao

>> No.78118652

>>78117051
Cool. How exactly does his "reinvestment" into the stock help the streams or the streamers?

>> No.78119607

>>78118180
>>78118463
How would you have spent this money instead to maximize shareholder value?

>> No.78119654

>>78116062
Seriously? You think Riku is cute? His face looks like it's full of botox and he's not even 30.

>> No.78119767

>>78114227
>aquaman.mp4

>> No.78119814

>>78119654
A chastity cage and enough hormones can fix any asian.

>> No.78119938

>>78114227
He needs to announce that he's selling his stock and wait some time afterwards before he can actually sell the stock. The announcement itself could trigger a selloff.

>> No.78120516

>>78113965
>>use $7m of it for stock buyback
It's not 7 million dollars, it's 7.5 billion yen. That's closer to 48 million dollars.

>> No.78120639

>>78113965
>I don't know how stocks and finances work
All you had to say. I know SEA economy is trash but damn.

>> No.78120871

>>78118652
Better stocks = more money. More money = more shit for your company. I have now explained it in such a way that even a monkey can understand

>> No.78121483
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>>78120871
Yeah? How's that more money = more shit for his company actually panning out? Cuz history's shown that Riku getting more money has absofucking no correlation to the streamers getting any more resources or support to work with.
Just compare two events in the same week between the companies. Wanna guess which one allegedly made twice as much as the other in "net profit"?

>> No.78121610

>>78117051
Anon, reinvesting means spending the company's money on R&D/employees/facilities/etc. in order to improve the future profit-making ability of the business. Buybacks are not reinvestment, they are throwing money into a hole to the benefit of people who don't believe the business will make more money in the future (because otherwise they wouldn't sell).

>> No.78121875

>>78117051
>Buyback = "Reinvesting"
HOLY AN ACTUAL RETARD

>> No.78121986

>>78121483
The AR live blew Holo out the water so hard even Riku was surprised. Why do you think Yagoo hid how much revenue HoloEN made?

>> No.78122004

>>78119607
A studio, the talents, more management, projects and festivals. Drive up hype to entice new customers to spend money to drive up revenue. But they didn't before because greed, and they won't now because everyone knows how black they are

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>>78121483
>>78121986

>> No.78122167

>unironic retards saying that profit = more assets
may god bless you with more IQ.

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>> No.78122911

>makes $55 million profit
>spends $48 million on a stock buyback
>Riku himself is the largest shareholder, only magnifies his own net worth

>> No.78123194
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>>78114078
here's their plan for the next 3 years; they have 16 billion JPY on hand and expect to make profits of 40 billion JPY over 3 years. Of that they plan to spend less than 10% on capital investments (studio, software, IP) and over 50% on shareholder returns (buybacks primarily, possibly also dividends) with the rest being held as cash and possibly used on M&A

>> No.78123454

Unironic monkeys in the thread genuinely believe that buying back stocks isn't an actual investment but sinking money into a random project that has no clear profit is

>> No.78123629

>>78123194
How can they increase profits when their audience is clearly declining? Seen Kuzuha's numbers recently?

>> No.78123798

>>78123454
>reinvest | ˌriːJnˈvɛst |
>Put the profit on a previous investment back into the same scheme: "the enterprise had been expanded by reinvesting profits".
Now, anon, do their profits come from shares they sold in 2022, or from the activities of the business?

>> No.78124142

>>78113965
>is enikara retarded?
Last time they waste money for buyback, it all goes down the drain.
So yes he's a retard for being shareholders bitch and wasting 90% of Q4 revenue just to please them AGAIN.

>> No.78124222

>>78123798
Both, you retard. Do you genuinely think they make no money from investors buying shares?

>> No.78124403

>>78124222
Anon, do you not understand how shares work? They haven't issued new shares since 2022. They make no money from people buying them from each other on the market.

>> No.78124471

>>78123629
Pray for another Salome?

>> No.78124645

>>78121986
yagoo doesn't even think about riku

>> No.78124693

>>78124222
It's just pumping up Riku's own net worth since he's the largest investor. He's clearly planning to sell

>> No.78126631

>>78124471
It's funny because they let Salome languish in mediocrity once her growth slowed from "satellite rocket being launched" to "fighter jet on departure climb". She broke Gura's record for fastest time from debut stream to one million subs, completely and utterly mogged her as if it was me in a used Honda Civic trying to win a one mile drag race against Max or Lewis in their work cars... and then they stopped pushing her. Left her on her own while trying to push the next wave, who were abandoned in favor of the next subsequent wave, and so on.

She could have gotten 2 million subs within 18 months if they supported her, and if they marketed her outside of Japan. But that support would have cost money.

>> No.78126732

>>78113965
UPPER MOON CIRCUIT BREAKER DORYAAAAAA

Tazumi "Kibutsuji Muzan" Riku

>> No.78127110

>>78124693
>>78122911
He's an insider. He has to follow a lot of rules when selling his shares. There's really no way for him to enrich himself this way without also enriching the other, minority shareholders.

>> No.78127113

man just think about it. Imagine all these billions spent on buybacks used on ACCELERATE instead. Still would be a better waste of money.
no need to compare to holo.

>> No.78127568

I've been told the entire reason people think a stock's value is tied to company performance is because the company might buy the stocks from you, yet what I see here is a company buying its own stocks because otherwise its value would drop. What gives? Either stocks are tulips or their value is tied to something.

>> No.78127635

>>78127110
>rule
in U.S of A?

>> No.78127764

>>78124645
Clearly he should be considering Niji makes double the amount Holo does making them the biggest Vtuber corporation in the world. NIJIGAWDS ON TOP

>> No.78127861

>>78124471
Rumor has it Salome was already a somewhat popular streamer inside their company

>> No.78127884

>>78127568
Cover is saving up to eventually buy Nijisanji because they love MEN. Yagoo and Riku have met in private to discuss this.
t. rrat on the wall

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>>78127764

>> No.78128154

>>78127884
>Mito having even stricter restriction on her
やめてください!

>> No.78128546

>>78127861
Im curious any idea who that is?

>> No.78128676

>>78128546
Debi

>> No.78128786

>>78128546
Switching characters after awhile doesn't sound like a bad idea.

>> No.78129127

>>78127568
Stock value is ostensibly tied to company performance, but in reality is tied to the expectation that shareholders will somehow get money out of it, whether that's from dividends or buybacks. Naturally committing to burning almost all of your profit on buybacks will help maintain the value, because shareholders can see you're willing to set the company's future on fire to make them money.

>> No.78129292

Weren't anons here looking forward to the stock getting delisted and shit? Wouldn't this be a direct countermeasure against that, and therefore a safe move?

>> No.78129842

I don't even know why they went public. They were making profit, but now all that profit is being used to prop up stocks that are pointless until they're sold off. It'll be harder and harder for the stocks to reach a value where it's worth selling because the company keeps crippling its growth by spending its money on a dumb stock situation that it voluntarily created.

>> No.78129865

>>78116305
>>Buy all the stocks back so now you have more/full control of the company and don't need to bow to investors
heres the thing, riku bow to investors since day one till now, why the fuck do you think he buyback those stocks burn the money for nothing other than to make it look fine for investors, though it changes nothing just like the previous buyback

>> No.78130020

>>78117051
retarded anon chama, cover buy a 3D studio, that is re investing, which they already made the money back btw, niji are burning money for nothing, this is not the first time they buyback stocks and what changes? NOTHING.

>> No.78130284

>>78115941
Mein Furher...Vox has lost another 1000 subscribers this week...

>> No.78130295

>>78124471
salome? you mean the IPO baby they botted to hell non stop until they go public?

>> No.78130325

>>78130020
>and what changes?
They're now in a more secure position.

>> No.78130700

>>78130325
>They're now in a more secure position
i'm not gonna even bother to explain it to you, keep clueless sister, dont worry, he will buyback again next time because otherwise investor will fuck him up and again it will changes nothing and nijiEN keep bleeding KEK

>> No.78131066

>>78130325
>They're now in a more secure position
Yes anon, riku asshole is secure for few more months from the big bad investors

>> No.78131503

>>78113965
Nijisanji En's downfall

>> No.78132183

>>78127635
Good point, I'm not familiar with the law outside of the US, but I have to imagine Japan has something similar to the SEC and that they don't let CEOs pump and dump stocks.

>> No.78132403

>>78129842
You pretty much have to go public when you reach a certain size or estate taxes would destroy the company.

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>>78122004
>A studio

>> No.78132577

>>78129865
You have to "bow to investors" because you're legally beholden to them. Stock buybacks are equivalent to growing the company from the shareholders point of view.

>> No.78132690

>>78123194
>Of that they plan to spend less than 10% on capital investments (studio, software, IP) and over 50% on shareholder returns (buybacks primarily, possibly also dividends)
So if I'm reading that right, the translation is
>livers only get 10% back of what they make for us
>but Takeshi Sutokkuhoruda gets up to 50% back
And people say it isn't a black company.

>> No.78132711

>>78123629
Only the EN side declined. JP continues to grow, however, even that will stable out eventually since they can only grow so much within a single country

>> No.78132960

>>78132690
you're not reading it right

>> No.78133145

>>78132960
Explain to me down to every single last bulletpoint then, because "only 10% in capital investments but 50% on shareholder returns over the course of the next 3 years" sounds to me like they're spitting in the face of the people who actually make them money.

>> No.78133179

>>78113965
>stock price goes up
>investors are happy now that their stock is worth more
legal stock manipulation keeps capitalists happy anon

>> No.78133747

>>78132690
You're a retard. It says on the tin that hiring people and making models/ outfits are classified as operating expenses. And why wouldn't a company maximize how much money it makes instead of blowing it on retarded shit and going bankrupt? Your definition of "black company" is looser than your asshole gaping for Yagoo's cock

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>>78123629
What about them?

>> No.78133832

>get money
>"if I put it into shit, I can get even more money! I'm a genius!"
>get dumped on
The /biz/ way.

>> No.78133995

>>78117051
Reinvesting in the stock =/= reinvesting in the company.
Reinvesting in the company would be using the profits in order to provide a better product or service, such as what Cover did with making that massively expensive studio that they can use for basically all of their 3D purposes and more.
Reinvesting in the stock is purely to line the pockets of the investors, and has no bearing on the quality of good or service provided.

>> No.78134179

>>78132421
And the rest?

>> No.78134457

>>78133145
This is how they plan to spend profits. That "investment into employees and vtubers" means hiring additional staff and talents. This has nothing to do with how much the talents make.

>> No.78134723

>>78133179
>you own 100 shares of a company worth 5 dollars each
>the company buys back 50% of issued shares
>now your 100 shares represent twice as much equity as they did before and are worth 10 dollars each
This is not stock manipulation. Sometimes this is just the best way to maximize shareholder value.

>> No.78134906

>>78117051
>Buying back stocks is reinvesting!
>Infinite money glitch!
>Air horn blows
>Riku 360 no scopes out of his office window, kills Vox, and lands onto his yacht.
>Lights up a spliff while Elira sucks his cock
You're an idiot.

>> No.78134990

>>78123194
>Board of directors voted to increase the value of the stock for their friends to profit on the buyback pump and dump
Wow, if I was a liver I'd just stop streaming and wait out the rest of the contract. They're just taking all your money and giving it to slants playing the stock market.

>> No.78135461

>>78129292
The stock was tanking because of a lack of reinvestment in the company. The stock that is tanking because their quality is awful and their pipeline is bottlenecked by a lack of facilities and staff.
They have now blown 4 cover 3d studios and a tractor trailer of staff worth of money on two buybacks instead of course correcting a dying unsupportive hellhole of a company.

The stock was safely hovering 400-800 yen above even the risk of it so it's not necessary from that perspective.

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78135889

>>78130284
>It's okay. He has 1 million subscribers. He can make 100 subs in a minute like any other big youtuber and no china wasn't necessary and covid had no involvement right?

>> No.78136552

>>78134723
>the best way to maximize shareholder value
>the primary owners will never sell their stock and see their shares rise in value
>the smaller investors will have to sell their stock
>raising the stock price without the company getting any more valuable isn't stock manipulation
sisters cheer on while riku buys a new yacht on the company profits he spent to make himself wealthier

>> No.78136850

>>78136552
His stock lost nearly half his value from last year and due to marketplace rules he can't even sell much without making a public notice which he hasn't. Furthermore it's not like he can just walk up and slap 44% of the shares in the company on the table and get the listed 2,800 yen price. Even if he tried to liquidate he'd singlehandedly collapse the stock price against the -500 yen/day limiter and cause a halt to trading. He is unironically trapped in a sinking yacht waiting to drown.

>> No.78136893

>>78134179
>Nijifest made into a 5 day event
>over 10 concerts planned for the year
>numerous events scheduled
>EN gets a fully funded music project

>> No.78138451

>>78123194
uhm, is this as bad as it sounds or am I just retarded and it's a good thing?

>> No.78138498

>>78136552
The buy backs are from the open market. You can't be forced to sell your shares unless the board decides to sell the entire company at a premium. You guys are just desperate to hate nijisanji but this really does look like the right business decision.

>> No.78138715

>>78113965
To be fair, if you just had a bad earnings report with investors clearly about to lose it, would you put ice on the burn and give them their money back, or reinvest?

>> No.78138781

>>78113965
>are wealthy greedy CEOs retarded
many such cases

>> No.78138874

>>78138498
>3d studio queue
>Awful concert quality
>Constant issues from lack of qualified staff
>Awful merch quality
>Waste money on stock buybacks instead of fixing that.

>>78138715
Reinvest and tell them to trust da plan, just 20 more quarters!

>> No.78139044

>>78138781
The board made the resolution for the buyback. It unironically doesn't matter what he wants or even thinks the cuck isn't in control.

>> No.78139167

>>78138715
>Nijisanji as a whole skyrockets and surpasses Hololive as top vtuber corporation
>Dramafags immediately begin to panic and goal post shift
>"Bad earning reports"

Kek

>> No.78139351

>>78138874
>Waste money on stock buybacks instead of fixing that
Again, this isn't wasting money. Niji has a lot of problems but right now it's not clear that fixing these issues would be a more effective use of the profits than just buying back shares, which at least is the closest thing to a guarantee for shareholders.

>> No.78139478

>>78139167
Read the earning report again but take 7.5 billion yen out of it for the meme stock buyback :^)
Remember the 2.5b yen they blew in february on the last stock buyback? See where that got us once the pump transitioned to the dump?

>>78139351
>It's not clear that fixing the catastrophic problems in Niji's quality would be more effective than a stock market scam that will shortly vaporize. Again...

>> No.78140030

>>78139478
>It's not clear that fixing the catastrophic problems in Niji's quality
Correct. You could have great quality merch but that doesn't guarantee people will buy it, you can have high quality 3D concerts but that doesn't guarantee people will watch.
>stock market scam that will shortly vaporize. Again...
Buybacks are not a scam.

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78140172

>>78114262
>Not as retarded as tranny nijisisters sperging at the sight of this post, watch them come to shittersanji's defense, anytime now...

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>>78140030
Okay sister. Can't imagine why things aren't doing well.
How'd that 16 million on buybacks in february instead of another 3d studio to help the queue, lack of capable dual-language managers, technical staff, or even just a single proficient lawyer work out? Ah that's right, you dipped below 2,100 yen at the end of may. Totally not a scam, just 16 million in oshibux that didn't go to the talent in any form. She appreciates your loyal support by the way. Surely you can post your receipts so we can see just how much you got reamed out by stockchads!

>> No.78141696

>>78140502
The issue with what you're saying is that you present the unfalsifiable counter factual that the stock would have been worth more if they used the profits the way you want. The fact that the stocks dropped after buybacks means they could have dropped far lower without buybacks, we just don't know. Didn't cover's stock also drop despite presumably doing what you want?

>> No.78141850

>>78141696
Where's your superchat receipts? Your members receipts? Your concert tickets? Come on sister, show your skin in the game if you want to defend getting fed Shit.

>> No.78142058

>>78141850
I've never spent a dime on any vtuber and I wouldn't but stocks in an entertainment company in a million years. I'm just shocked at the level of economic illiteracy at play.

>> No.78142280

>>78142058
Okay retard.

>> No.78142464

>>78142280
Okay nigger.

>> No.78142568

>>78142464
Can't imagine why Niji abandoned EN to focus on JP after 5 straight quarters of decline.

>> No.78142595

>>78140030
I dunno, the filled seats for holo events and the merch the fans bring to holo fes might speak differently.

>> No.78143219

>>78142595
>constantly bringing up hololive in niji discussions
why are holofags like this

>> No.78143294

>>78142595
This could be because of the quality of the product but it could also be because Hololive have better talents, more dedicated fans, better marketing, etc.

>> No.78143483

>>78143219
>Again, this isn't wasting money. Niji has a lot of problems but right now it's not clear that fixing these issues would be a more effective use of the profits than just buying back shares
> you can have high quality 3D concerts but that doesn't guarantee people will watch.
No idea why he brought it up. I wonder if there was a vtubing company that held large high quality concerts that could be used as supporting evidence for investment decisions to contrast with Niji's mostly empty low quality disasters that have damaged the brand irreparably at this point with overpriced low quality slop time after time.

>> No.78143639

>>78113965
its simple really, they are spending the companys money so they dont lose their personal money as investors and stock holders

>> No.78143857

>>78139351
>Again, this isn't wasting money.
>Niji has a lot of problems...
>...more effective use of the profits than just buying back shares...
Ok, so the problems are still there, there is less money in the company, what problems are tackled inside the company when you buy the shares in market?

>> No.78143868

>>78132403
Valve is one of the biggest software companies out there and they are private

>> No.78143933

>>78143294
>Invest in support staff so the talent can succeed and grow their market recognition and content quality instead of struggling just to get perms or a reply from staff in under 2 weeks
>Invest in better marketing to spread awareness of the concert with their talent's quality content and merch
>Invest in better studios and staff so the concerts aren't fucking shit
>Reputation of quality concerts pays its investment forward
Crazy what happens when a company doesn't waste their money on a $48 million stock buyback after a failed $16 stock buyback brought them nothing. Just imagine spending 84% of your quarterly net profit on fucking nothing while a fifth of the company is burning down and even the jp talents are experiencing widespread anemia.

>> No.78143988

>>78136893
Can't wait to see the tickets sold!

>> No.78144066

>>78135889
Mein Furher...he is only getting 3views...

>> No.78144144

>>78144066
Naked apron cooking series w/ Hex when? We can save miload

>> No.78144240

>>78113965
The line goes up anon. No one can stop the cult of the line. Anything can be used as a blood sacrifice to make the line go up and bless the biz Gods with profits from shareholders.2

>> No.78144288

>>78143868
nta
I worked for a publicly traded company that was bought by a n*zi (German private company)

>> No.78144779

>>78143868
Wait till Gabe dies.
>>78143857
None, the purpose of buybacks is to increase equity per share.
>>78143933
Well I just looked it up and Cover is down 30% ytd while Anycolor is only down 13%. So once again it's not clear how your suggestion would have been better for shareholders.

>> No.78145145

>>78143219
I think you need your tampon changed

>> No.78145235

>>78144779
You can go ahead and read the investment reports to see the cancer.

>> No.78145572

>>78144779
Didn't Gabe retire?

>> No.78145729

>>78145235
It all looks fine to me, I'd be doing the same if I was running the company.

Well actually it seems to me that the vtubing industry was overhyped and Niji and Holo should both start downsizing.

>> No.78145758

>>78144144
It'll get denied, no more showing skin. They're going for the halal crowd now.

>> No.78145848

>>78145572
He still owns Valve though, right?

>> No.78146053

>>78144779
Oh, no niji has a bigger number? That's too bad. But at least holo isn't a complete dumpster fire, right :)?

>> No.78146395

>>78146053
Holo certainly seems to be a much better company to work for or be a fan of. But these are publicly traded companies and I'm judging them by how well they maximize shareholder value.

>> No.78146411

>>78145729
>Company in shambles
>Fifth of it has basically been written off
>fine

>> No.78146524

>>78145729
Cover doesn't have to downsize because they IPO'd to fund their 3d studio. They've repeatedly not given a shit about the rat race. Niji's death throes have been the one damaging Cover through industry investment not caring that they are different companies.

>> No.78146854

>>78128676
But she's still streaming to this day. Both if them are. Is it just double dipping or what?

>> No.78147452

I can't understand stocks but I'm having fun reading all these posts

>> No.78148663

>>78146524
>Cover doesn't have to downsize because they IPO'd to fund their 3d studio.
This seems like a non sequitur.
>Niji's death throes have been the one damaging Cover through industry investment not caring that they are different companies
You really think that's why Cover's stock price is down? Niji has double the profit margin, double the RoA, at equal revenue. It just seems like Cover is a worse company for investment purposes.

>> No.78149048

>>78148663
Holo doesn't have to downsize cause they don't give a fuck.
Niji just blew 84% of his quarterly profits on a scam. Keep being a retard, nigger.

>> No.78149327

>buybacks are actually reinvestments into the company and help the talents

Do nijisisters really believe this?

>> No.78149378

>>78149327
As we have been seeing every day since early last year, yes they are that retarded.

>> No.78149381

It's kind of insane because usually these companies are growth at all cost, their investors don't want a return they want to see that money reinvested. If Anycolor can't find a way to invest that capital feasibly and is just returning it to shareholders it's not going for the usual VC style hypergrowth path. And if it's not doing that, what in the world *is* the actual plan given they are reaching JP saturation and overseas is in trouble

>> No.78149514

>>78149381
He's trying to cover his ass for the annual shareholder meeting in july and pray that they're unable to fucking read investor reports. Which is paradoxical.

>> No.78149646

>>78149381
>Q&A: Measures to rebuild NijiEN
>We plan to focus on the growth of Japan. We do not incorporate the growth of EN into our plan.
There's no trouble if the coffin is nailed shut and the dirt backfilled atop it.

>> No.78149924

>>78149048
>Holo doesn't have to downsize cause they don't give a fuck
That doesn't sound good for shareholders.
>Niji just blew 84% of his quarterly profits on a scam
Once again, buybacks are not a scam.

Your argument goes like this
>niji buying back shares is a scam
>they should use their profits like cover instead
>so what if cover has tanked more than niji, cover doesn't give a shit about the stock price anyway
It's complete nonsense.

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>>78113965
Please understand, Riku is desperately looking for a way to cash out and fuck off to his next scam but he can't do it with the stock being in the toilet.

>> No.78150253

>>78149924
Cover doesn't care about cancerous faggots like you that don't care about the health of the company.
Buybacks. Are. A. Scam.

Cover used the IPO to fund their 3d studio to produce better content to grow the company. They already did it. They won. They're not in the market for the rat race while Riku wanted to pump Niji then dump it but it keeps having strokes including the last $16 million buyback scam in feb that vaporized instead of doing a damn thing to help the dying company. Cover's goal is somehow beyond your comprehension because you're too much of a fucktarded ape.

>> No.78150376

>>78114021
Yes, by using other people's money not your own

>> No.78151028

>>78150253
>Buybacks. Are. A. Scam.
How?
>Cover used the IPO to fund their 3d studio to produce better content to grow the company. They already did it. They won. They're not in the market for the rat race
Their fiduciary duty to shareholders doesn't just go away. Not caring about the stock price would only sort of make sense if profits were consistent and were entirely used to pay dividends. In fact, going public to generate funds for the company and then disregarding the shareholders would be an actual scam.
>Cover's goal is somehow beyond your comprehension because you're too much of a fucktarded ape.
Their goal as a publicly traded company is to maximize shareholder value.

>> No.78151240

>He doesn't even know why cover went public
I don't even know why tourists come here and be fucktards for hours.

>> No.78151993

>>78149924
I don't think anybody here will ever care about the feelings or benefits of unknown shareholders in any decision, and if said shareholders are other corporations they would even politely offer them to "eat a dick".

Some are though emotionally attached to the well being of the employees which are fore front of the business, or were emotionally attached to be honest it has soured fast the goodwill for those that remain and those that ceased relations with the corporation have gained more recognition for their talents.
The problem which is being argued against shares buyback is asserted on "having several problems on the en branch" and "no sign of improvement was made clear", couple this with the last year or so targeting the EN branch as future investment and this quarter doing a 180º being seen as a hypocrite narrative.

If you go shareholders first you will garner no sympathy from anybody arguing against the problems of EN branch, business wise this is the fourth branch to go in flames from my knowledge and this seems like a pattern that the buyback is cemented.

>> No.78152796

>>78151993
That's fine if you have scruples with the way Anycolor does business or treats talent, but my argument is against the idea that buying back shares is some kind of scam.

>> No.78153181

>>78116062
He's not that cute, bro

>> No.78153195

>>78114227
he already did

>> No.78153268

>>78116305
>Island of dirt
Yeah you know what, let him have it. See what happens.

>> No.78153353

>>78117051
> reinvesting = buy back
Next you are going to say "I was only pretending to be retarded, holobronies!"

>> No.78153377

>>78150152
Miload.....

>> No.78153413

>>78113965
GRIM
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>> No.78153467

>>78153195
He still holds like 42%, 44%, or something. He can't do a large selloff without announcing it like bilibili had to and even if he tried to dump eet, he'd crash the value by doing so. Even now he's blowing $48 million on a buyback scam while the company is burning down instead of reinvesting in the talents, by their own admission have written off formerly 1/5th of the company (EN) as negligible for their future plans, and their last $16 million buyback scam got them literally nothing while said problems only metastasized into this full-blown disaster.

>> No.78153552

>>78136893
Ayo nigger wtf, show me the tickets sold. I gave you like 3 hours.

>> No.78153847

>>78152796
It is another anon saying that, I personally think they are doing the buyback out of fear of the next investor meeting instead of a great plan or something to fix anything, pulled the gun too fast and is wasting money in a knee jerk reaction, but i also don't know how often they can do or change the board meeting encounters to implement the buyback either so this might have been their only choice for this month.

About the claim that it is a scam, I can only in good faith think that he means it is tossing money into the void in the short term to keep the stock afloat, but because long term the company lacks prospects for overseas expansion investors would still pull out and crash the stock anyway. (I think investors are idiots anyway and will do irrational things on a whim)

>> No.78154271

>>78153847
You have a more reasonable take but we're still left with the question of what would you do with the money instead of a buyback? If we use Cover as an example to follow, their stocks are performing even worse.

At this point it seems like it's buybacks or swerve into selling coffee.

>> No.78155383

>>78113965
That's when you know these fuckers don't have any concrete plans to improve their activity.
>Slander?
Do it yourself. But we'll proclaim it as our win though, to brag in front of investors.
>Equipments?
Sure, you can use that one KU100. But there's a queue and you must wait.
>3D?
We'd rather have baka gaijin, drama-riddled livers concerts if you're JP, not in the top 10, and not male, you can kiss that 3D goodbye.
>Pay increase?
Nah, not in 10 years. But we'll cut 10% from your pay for OUR taxes, please say thank you.
>Play button?
roru, rumao even.

>> No.78155597

>>78155383
It's funny cause literally no one would care if Niji just let them pay out of pocket for a second but they wont even allow that.

>> No.78155843

>>78113965
I've always thought Cover was the one that invest back in but today I was proven wrong. That's 7/8 of it. Anycolor is truely commited

>> No.78155866

>>78155597
After all those controversies, you'd at least think things are improving behind the scenes, but they are still stubborn about holding this one turbo retarded policy, just to assert dominance and play mind games on their organs. So cartoonish.

>> No.78155990

>>78155843
The money didn't go to the talents. It's just went to stock vultures flipping the attempt to damage control the stock plummeting ahead of the july shareholder meeting

>> No.78156594

>>78154271
Done something by February after black stream, because the riku bow video was actually good unironically but the black one was such a stupid move done with actual plausibility for someone to attribute it to malice which brought into question whatever the fuck EN branch is doing at all.

For a more logical answer, done events by start of last year, done the 3D also a year ago, hired better management with cleaner rules by at least until luxiem blew up, at this point i have no idea why they are doing the things they are doing so late if not as a reaction without any plan whatsoever of any kind and no experience or capacity to make any logical response.

Also about the money i don't know, I lack the information and responsibilities which the board is working upon (i assumed riku didn't need to give any fucks about the stock price because he is main holder but now i'm not even sure), the buyback now only makes sense for me if it fulfills the assumption that "share prices being kept afloat is important for someone" and "this decision could only be made this week and at no point forward".

>> No.78156974

>>78156594
He cares because there's a shareholder meeting in july in which his face would have been raped if it was still 2,100 yen or below.
Main stock holder doesn't really help him. He can't just up and dump all his shares without announcing it and shrimply selling all those shares would annihilate the stock value so he has no exit without selling the company off. But no one would be retarded enough to read through the investor reports and even do a mere hour of research on why the company is fucked to pieces and still entertain the idea of buying it out.
Furthermore the board of directors voted for a $48 million dollar stock buyback (84% of Q4's profits) to enrich their totally unaware associates' stock portfolios while the company is burning to the ground.

>> No.78160217

>>78156974
They've bought themselves time now they need to find a sucker to sell it too or at least divide it up to save the profitable side of the business.
NijiEN will be absorbed at this rate and the lowest performing elements will be cut out / anyone who argues.
There will be a relaunch of world talents that will represent their new global aspirations. Expect 2 euro tubers, 2 esp tubers, the old EN guard with Scarle leading the female branch. The boys will get mixed up to be 5 men squads. Lots of people will be finally allowed to graduate, others let go, the others on the out suffocated till they drop dead and slandered Niji style.

>> No.78160839

>>78160217
They already wont support Maria.

>> No.78160960

>>78132711
>JP continues to grow
By what metrics?

>> No.78161149

>>78154271
>You have a more reasonable take but we're still left with the question of what would you do with the money instead of a buyback?
Investing in your talents is the most important thing for any company that relies on them. Covers model of paying their talents adequately then letting them reinvest those earnings into their own projects is great, look at Marine. If the talents grow, the company grows and giving them the resources to actually do the projects they want to do to grow their channels is hugely important

Conversely look at Salome, she was a phenomenon but couldn't capitalize on it because Any Color was paying her peanuts and not giving her any support to actually build on the massive amount of hype she had behind her.

>> No.78161340

>>78149924
>Once again, buybacks are not a scam.
Any investor who invests in a company in the growth phase that starts wasting massive amounts of capital on share buybacks should be worried. Those are for established companies that want to increase the ownership share of their main investors. A buyback is useless for a company like Any Color that still hasn't stabilized it's business model and revenue streams, it's pissing money into the wind.

>> No.78161710

>>78160839
The AUS market is never considered lucrative by any organization and requires its own huge distribution network. Look at Amazon as the leading example of it. Tonnes of shit are considered not worth the cost of shipping to Australia.

>> No.78161792

>>78161710
Wow I never knew Maria was accessible only from public library pc's in Brisbane...

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>>78115941
Mein Führer... Vox won't participate in the AX concert...

>> No.78162299

>>78162237
Vivi...

>> No.78162321

>>78162237
even chronoir couldnt carry that concert let alone vox KEK

>> No.78162386

>>78149924
you dont know shit about stocks sister.

>> No.78162780

>>78113965
>give all money to investors for their 10th yacht
Black company…

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>>78162237
This shit's gonna get overshadowed by fucking TUBEOUT at this rate.

>> No.78163358

>>78161149
On the topic of investing in the talents, if Anycolor were to finally do so, why send it to the EN talents now? Like genuinely why would you want to invest in them now?
Obviously they should've done so at the height of the branch's popularity, but right now it's just a pure money sink that is most likely on the margins depending on how much they put into it. They're a purely radioactive brand and would need to be cleansed of potentially half the golden 15 (including Hex, who's somehow one of the most SC'd talents there nowadays apparently.)
As for JP, they could've invested in their low-mid tier talents as well, but considering the results I think they knew if they didn't do anything they'd be dropped hard.
Which really brings into question, how is this company gonna survive in say, 2-3 years? Riku obviously is gonna try and book it when he finds the opportunity, you don't need a crystal ball for that. But unless JP gets some new blood that are massive hits, they're gonna hit a ceiling and going by the metrics they're already seeing single digit percentages in watch hours.

>> No.78163628

>>78163358
NijiENs problems are only half to do with the lack of support. It would help, sure, but the entire branch was horribly mismanaged by giving talents carte blanche to act as de facto managers themselves. They might be able to stem some of the bleeding by paying them a decent amount and letting them do some projects to build hype back up but I think the entire branch is effectively dead from the talents being unable to act professionally and treating it like they're still indies on Twitch. They needed that shit to be reigned in hard.

>Which really brings into question, how is this company gonna survive in say, 2-3 years?
I don't know if it can. It's already on a decline which makes the stock buy backs such a fucking horrible idea. They're blowing cash they NEED to reinvest to try and build momentum on shares that are on their way to being worthless in 2 years time.

>> No.78163638

>>78163358
He has too much stock to be able to reasonably sell his way out. The only thing he can do is sell the company. But no one who can afford it would buy a radioactive nightmare with no way to turn it around.
New jp blood wont even fix it. They're already reporting that as a whole jp numbers are declining and condensing in a smaller pool of the talents.

>> No.78163910

>>78161149
What you say sounds good in paper but Cover's stock price doesn't reflect this actually working.
>>78161340
I agree that buybacks are a cause for concern. It shows that the company doesn't have a growth plan. But that doesn't make it a scam, sometimes that's just the best way to maximize shareholder value for the time being.

>> No.78164232

>It doesn't make it a scam it only did literally nothing to help the first time and is not helping the even worse conditions this time around despite spending 3x the amount of the first one on fucking nothing yet again in the midst of fatal crisis.

>> No.78164373

>>78130700
>>78131066
What? Dude, we're talking about investments and shit here. I'm saying they're putting themselves in a more secure position because this way they hope to not fuck everything up for the investors. This has nothing to do with helping NijiEn, how the fuck do you even arrive at that conclusion?

>> No.78164763

>>78163358
even if they get new blood that ends up a massive hit they still need to support that person which they suck at. just look at Salome

>> No.78164842
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>>78163628
Thing is, they have a decent stash of assets to spend with. Granted, some of this probably isn't liquid assets and I'm not sure if this is taking into the account what they had BEFORE the stock buyback.
Assuming this graph is after they did the stock buyback? That means potentially a quarter of their assets will be sent to the meat grinder to pump that stock price (a THIRD if it's before). Obviously not all assets are liquid and you need to have some for cushioning potential additional costs. But surely there's enough to put towards to elevating your lower/mid tier talents no?

>> No.78165297

>>78116062
https://nhentai.net/g/409775/
>>78153181
I fucking found a femboy cosplayer on Twitter the other day who looked EXACTLY like Riku, it was crazy funny, but I didn’t save any of it and can’t provide again.

>> No.78165320

>>78164842
It's before. And to put it in perspective, their net profit for Q4 was 8.7b yen. They are spending 7.5b yen on the buyback.
Once more for good measure. They are spending 7.5b yen on the buyback.

They did not spend this amount on 3d studios despite the backlogged queue causing issues. Cover's was 2.7b for scale.
They did not spend this amount on managers so that permissions and projects are completed in a timely fashion.
They did not spend this amount on animators, artists, riggers, development teams, technical staff, musicians, composers, merch designers, or anything else

EN was formerly 1/5th of the company. Now after 5 straight quarters of decline in the Q&A asking how they will rebuild EN they said they are going to focus on JP instead and EN does not factor into their strategic plans.
Their repeated low quality concerts have flopped while concert and sponsorship cancellations keep piling up.
Even JP is contracting into a small pool of talents by their own admission.

They have just spent 7.5b yen not fixing any problem. 7.5b yen of your oshi's money is going to Nikkei Tanaka to use as a cum rag.
Not only was the IR awful, look at it again after taking that 7.5b yen out of it. Read how they have no plan to fix things and are barreling towards disaster. It's apocalyptic.

>> No.78165368

>>78165297
Check your history? Closed tab/window?

>> No.78165552

>>78164842
They do, they just don't want to. It's a terrible attitude for a company so reliant on it's front line talent. Niji clearly has an attitude where they think vtubers are fungible, they just grab a person give them an avatar and expect that they'll do as well as anyone else would in their position. But that's not true, you need people with ambition and creative talent. Someone like Marine would be a nobody in Nijisanji, in Hololive she has the resources available to push hard to succeed and that helps the entire company grow. And even if Niji gets people who have ambition and want to succeed and make it big they'll just grind those people down and make them lose their spark as they find out how restricted they are from Any Color just hoarding all the cash like a dragon and not wanting to spend any of it on actually helping them.

You can't treat vtubers like walmart greeters if you're a vtuber company. You need to invest in them and help them use their talents.

>> No.78165700

>>78165320
>they said they are going to focus on JP instead and EN does not factor into their strategic plans.
This is funny because EN is currently punching way above its weight for Cover because of the USD Yen exchange rate

>> No.78165883

>>78113965
money laundering

>> No.78166986

>>78164232
What do you expect it to do to help with how the company is being run? The whole point is to increase equity per, the buyback doesn't do anything else.

>> No.78167070

>>78165320
>7.5b yen of your oshi's money is going to Nikkei Tanaka to use as a cum rag.
Profits are the shareholders' money.

>> No.78167307

>>78136850
he may want to sell the company. stock value can be company value no?

>> No.78167504

>>78167307
No one sane would want to buy it. Even a cursory look through investor reports show that it's barreling towards collapse while they've blown their money on buyback scams twice instead of actually trying to course correct. Their reputation is in tatters. It's Rikover.

>> No.78167929

>anon didn't buy the dip
Never gonna make it.

>> No.78168420

>>78151028
you know you till get profit per share right? cover still got profit so if they mistake cover stock as a buy low sell high then it's not cover responsible. you buy cover stock for a long run, to get back after 10 yrs through profit or something like that.

>> No.78168695

He should try simply prostituting his talent out to the Chinese Communist Party. I hear that's how successful vtuber agencies do things these days.

>> No.78168951

>>78168420
From what I can gather, Cover has never paid dividends.

>> No.78169098

>>78117051
Aren't you glad this is an anonymous board?

>> No.78169502

>>78121483
>>78122151
Wow, people were saying the difference was bad, but I thought it was all just tribalistic shitting on Niji since I never bothered to watch either. It really is as miserable as people said. Haven't laughed that hard in a while. I hope the Niji fans didn't pay that much for tickets at least.

>> No.78169563

>>78169502
Virtual Rhapsody (the bottom one)
cost more than fucking HoloFes tickets.

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>>78113965
Why dont they 'Virtualreal' their EN branch, make it a subsidiary?

>> No.78169626

>>78113965
You think they cant tough it out for a year or two? The vtuber scene will be very different, as small EN corpos fail.

>> No.78169712

>>78167070
well they should reduce that profit and increase expense then. no company need 38% profit margin to answer shareholder.

>> No.78170028

>>78169712
If they started paying talents more and narrowing their profit margins without a very good explanation for why that's actually good for the shareholders, then they'd be opening themselves up to getting sued.

>> No.78170433

>>78170028
>started paying talents more and narrowing their profit margins
its called reinvesting into company for growth
>without a very good explanation
yes, its company responsibility to provide solid road map to get profits for investors
>getting sued
this is not a child game, its business and always has a risk. Unless they are lying on paper, on no ground investors can sue them. Responsibility of stock always on the stock holders

>> No.78170791

>>78123194
Isn't this market manipulation?
You can just rotate the share and profits with cliff vesting

>> No.78170854

>>78114021
not really, only to make profit

>> No.78171002

>>78170028
>getting sued
you must new to stocks

>> No.78171112

>>78170433
>its called reinvesting into company for growth
>yes, its company responsibility to provide solid road map to get profits for investors
You have to reconcile these two statements. Isn't this pretty much what Cover does? If it's not working for them why do you believe it will work for Anycolor?
>Unless they are lying on paper, on no ground investors can sue them. Responsibility of stock always on the stock holders
No, the board of directors and the executive employees have a fiduciary duty to the shareholders and shareholders can absolutely sue the company if they have been willingly not fulfilling that duty.

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78171334

>>78139167
>surpasses Hololive as top vtuber corporation

I lol'd. Here's the (You) that you wanted.

>> No.78171434

>>78168695
Yumenographia bwos our response?

>> No.78171441

>>78171112
retarded naive anonchama, nji promised to expand overseas, failed and now going back to domestic market while not counting on EN revenue. By your logic, investors should be able to sue them for their failure right? its clear you never have a seat in any business meeting.

>> No.78171660

stock buybacks are versatile and can be used in many ways, or serve many purposes. but in this case, he's just using company money to lower outstanding share (and increase value per share) so that he can sell his personal stock at a bit higher price. hell, the company might even be buying his personal sell orders. the point anyways, is that this is a sneaky sort of way to increase his personal payout which traditionally would come from exec comp. for obvious reasons it would look bad to just arbitrarily raise his exec comp so this is the best way of cashing out quick at the expense of company cash.

>> No.78171714

>>78153552
yeah he's not going back here

>> No.78171724

>>78171441
>By your logic, investors should be able to sue them for their failure right?
Only if they have reason to believe the expansion into the EN market wasn't a good faith attempt to grow the company.

>> No.78171781

>>78171660
They can't buy his sell orders since he'd have to announce them

>> No.78171809

>>78171660
Read the thread, faggot. >>78127110

>> No.78171935

>>78171112
>If it's not working for them why do you believe it will work for Anycolor?
What? Covers growth is insane, they're smashing Nijni in revenue per vtuber. In what world is it not working? Are you thinking that just because Niji has a bigger net profit at the moment they're doing better? Cover is reinvesting their earnings and it's paying off, they're growing rapidly even as Niji's growth is stalling because they're not managing their capital wisely.

>> No.78171951

I don't know if this works in Japan, but in many western countries giga rich CEOs hold large amounts of stock rather than taking high salaries to avoid taxes (captial gains taxes are much lower than income taxes).
They pay for things by borrowing money from banks against their net worth, which includes the paper value of all the stocks they hold. Of course, the higher your net worth the more banks will let you borrow. They make repayments on these loans by occasionally selling off small enough amounts of the stock at a time that it doesn't impact the price.
So, if Riku was trying to do this, obviously pumping the stock would be in his, and probably the boards, best interest, even at the expense of the company. He'll never be able to sell all or even most of his shares, so if he wants more yachts he needs big loans. It also seems that most anycolor investors are only in it for a quick buck rather than long term growth, so the only ones getting hurt by this are the organs and shorters.
Granted, like I said, I don't know for certain if you can do this in Japan, but rich people break the system with stocks somehow wherever they are.

>> No.78172095

>>78171724
At this point, you just a bootlicker nijinigger or underage naive shitter. Pumping stock implies the company doesn't have plan for growth anymore. It's just a playground for short stock seller and investors who want to get out, dumbass.

>> No.78172466

>>78172095
>Pumping stock implies the company doesn't have plan for growth anymore.
I agree and said as much already.
>It's just a playground for short stock seller and investors who want to get out, dumbass
This is where you're wrong. Even if the company never grew again it would still pay dividends after it was done with buybacks.

>> No.78172776

>>78160960
Nijisisters are delusional bunch, JP growth literally slowed to a crawl.
For a comparison, their profit in 2022 was up by 16%, 2023 was up by 26%.
This year? It's 27%.
They know JP is saturated to hell and their only lifeline is fucking gone, no thanks to the clique's action.

>> No.78172980

>>78172466
And if the company can't pay dividends, shareholders will sue them by your logic.
Please stay away from stock for your own sake. Because you're the type of person who blame other for your own decision on how to spend your money.

>> No.78173225

>>78172776
>their profit in 2022 was up by 16%, 2023 was up by 26%.
>This year? It's 27%.
That is steady growth, not slowing to a crawl.
>>78172980
>And if the company can't pay dividends, shareholders will sue them by your logic.
My logic is that the board and executives have a fiduciary duty to shareholders and that they can be sued for breeching that duty. I am correct in that logic. If for some reason, in this example, Anycolor's profits dry up and can no longer pay dividends then whether it not the shareholders have a case depends on why the profits dried up.

>> No.78173275

>The only way of keeping the stocks afloat is doing buybacks
...What stops the investors of buying low, selling when the buyback is complete and then just wait for the next buyback to repeat the process?

>> No.78173317

>>78173225
Anon, I picked their 2022 to 2024 profit for a reason.
This was only their second year since their IPO.

>> No.78173408

>>78173225
>can be sued for breeching that duty
proof next thread? i don't need the logic, give me the law

>> No.78173437

>>78173275
>selling when the buyback is complete
You have to find someone dumb enough to buy when the price is pumped

>> No.78173731

>>78163910
It's also possible they want more control for something like a future vote, or although unlikely is looking to go private again.

>> No.78173813

Any chances of Riku getting a golden parachute?

>> No.78173874

>>78173813
It's bog standard for any CEO. I'd be more surprised he he didn't get one

>> No.78174026

>>78173275
You have to find a retard to buy your bag. Which they somehow managed last February really lending substance to the money laundering rrat.

>> No.78174090

>>78173813
0? It's a tainted company losing its diversification and barreling towards collapse if the recession gets worse or the dwindling jp chads dry up.

>> No.78174308

>>78173408
https://www.pennstatelawreview.org/print-issues/articles/a-brief-introduction-to-the-fiduciary-duties-of-directors-under-delaware-law/

>but that's not japan
I know, as I said before I don't know exactly what it's like in Japan, but it would be shocking if they didn't have something similar.

>>78173317
And? That's not slowing to a crawl, it's just not accelerating.

>> No.78174520

>>78140030
>Buybacks are not a scam.
in this case it is
it has all the hallmarks of a pump and dump for insider to gtfo because they've completely wrecked things beyond repair and so want to skip out while the price is still good

>> No.78174545

>>78113965
Nijien fans supporting riku Ponzi scheme lmao

>> No.78174564

>>78113965
What else is he gonna spend it on? He hires lawyers for 7 dollars an hour and gives 2% to his chuubas.

>> No.78174671

>>78173275
The buyback is for 48 million dollars. You could try to buy up shares now but the more people that have that idea, the higher the price will rise and the fewer shares the buyback will actually get, which will reduce how much equity each share gains.

>> No.78174739

>>78174671
I'm retarded, could you explain it using DBZ terms?

>> No.78174745

>>78174564
3d studios so their production isn't bottlenecked
Creative staff for furthering brand recognition and revenue streams.
Dual-language managers for getting perms in a timely fashion and coordinating western sponsorships.
Enough technical staff as it takes so they stop being an embarrassment.
A single capable lawyer.

While the 2% is horseshit, taking on the cost of design, production, storage, fulfillment, and unsold stock isn't negligible. I still think pre-order windows are the way to go for volatile small scale stuff like vtuber merch but what the fuck do I know.

>> No.78174786

>>78174308
On which part do you read if company don't pay dividend or stock buyback, the company will be brought to court and prosecuted by law?

>> No.78175042

>>78174308
Japan does not have a directly equivalent concept to "fiduciary duty". Instead they have a "duty of loyalty and care to ensure the ongoing health of the business", which doesn't include any obligation to create returns for shareholders if they believe the money is better used elsewhere (e.g. paying employees more so they're more loyal and motivated).

>> No.78175090

>>78173225
Anycolor has never paid dividends and probably never will. Many if not most companies in USA don't pay dividends either, nor do they do stock buybacks for that matter. The duty for leadership is to make decisions that benefit the company, not to pay shareholders their profit. They'll get sued when they actually sabotage the company, like when Elon Musk bailed out Solar City using Tesla.

>> No.78175346

>>78174786
In which of my posts do you think I said that?
>>78175042
That's pretty much the same in the US where it can be argued that paying employees more so they're more loyal and motivated is in fact what's best for shareholders. It's usually a pretty high bar for shareholders to prove that directors or officers were not acting in good faith.

>> No.78175354

>>78168695
Sorry bro, China is hololive territory now

>> No.78175364

>>78170854
In either case, nijisanji is doing better than hololive.

>> No.78175422

>>78175090
This is a hypothetical scenario where Anycolor has no plans for growth and are done buying back shares. There's nothing to do with the profits at that point but pay dividends.

>> No.78175492

>>78168695
He tried. Bili didn't want em.

>> No.78175587

i'm very angry holokek

>> No.78175646

>>78170854
it’s a listed company, it’s the norm to be short term focused or do random shit due to embedded growth obligations

>> No.78175732

>>78175346
Funny how you defending their stock buyback by bringing fiduciary duty which has no relation at all.
>in this example, Anycolor's profits dry up and can no longer pay dividends then whether it not the shareholders have a case depends on why the profits dried up.
Unless they do something illegal, shitty business decisions, incompetence and failure on business won't bring company in front of court just because of the profit retardchama

>> No.78175774

>>78123194
>>78138451

desu if i had a choice between both stocks, I'd choose anycolor for the dividends. I don't have confidence in cover stock going up THAT much. but Anycolor's top hitters will stick around for a while. at least the next 5 years, I'd pick Anycolor over Cover if it kept up the dividends.

>> No.78175776

>>78175364
That really depends on the period over which you're aiming to make the number go up. Cover have been growing faster and made about the same revenue in FY24, but make considerably less profit because they're spending it all on things like a huge new studio, social platforms, and 3D concert software, all of which would be expected to make more money in the future.
This is talking purely in shareholder terms of course, if you're actually a fan (who this board is for) then your interests are basically at odds with shareholders anyway, because their goal is to take as much of your money as possible while putting in as little effort as possible.

>> No.78175845

>>78175774
This, if I'm just a literal who investor who has no idea about vtubers, among the two stocks, anyc has more appeal to me

>> No.78176018

>>78175732
>Unless they do something illegal, shitty business decisions, incompetence and failure on business won't bring company in front of court just because of the profit
Yes I agree entirely and never said otherwise. You just keep ignoring what I actually said here
>>78171724
I'll repeat it again, failure itself is not grounds for the shareholders suing, but if it's not a good faith failure then it is. When I say
>depends on why the profits dried up
It's in that comment chain and it means it depends on if the actions of the officers or directors that led to the loss of profits were done in a good faith attempt to make the company more valuable.

>> No.78177219

>>78174308
>It's not slowing, it's just not accelerating
Sister, this was mostly before NEGLIGIBLE happened and their momentum already slowing down while their immediate rival company still going strong.

>> No.78177426

>>78176018
'Good faith' is such a vague and broad term that they only use it after all facts and evidences are being brought to light. Promising expansion and failed it because of bad PR mandated by company is also not in good faith by the argument but we never seen investors suing them company, rather they just sell their own stocks.

>> No.78177497

>>78177219
That's not momentum slowing down, it's maintaining.

>> No.78177870

>>78134723
Stock buyback was illegal and considered stock manipulation until Ronny Raygun made it legal.

>> No.78178992

>>78171809
reread my post. it has nothing to do with insider trading.

>> No.78179052

>>78134723
Ok, and WHO is the largest shareholder? None other than Riku Tazumi.
So whose value is being enhanced?

>> No.78179107

>>78177870
alcohol was illegal and considered drugs in the 1920s. what is your point?

>> No.78180199

>>78123194
calling it now, by this time next year riku cashes out.
their main competitor has enough liquid cash, diverse income and business opportunities to shrink the gap at the same time niji is spending all its money trying to keep its name on top

>> No.78180260

>>78180199
Nahh Niji JP is still strong. It's just their global initiatives will need to be reassessed .

>> No.78180393

>>78163628
It just utterly baffles me that they won't reinvest a penny in the company. Riku stands to lose nearly everything from this. Who the hell does he have advising him?

>> No.78180506

>>78180260
niji basically dead outside of japan, if cover takes europe is unironically joever

>nuh euros dont have money
europeans value there money but if you can get them interested theyll spend more than the SEAslugs

>> No.78181111

>>78180506
i firmly believe they will make a new EN branch with EU girl. the problem i feel mostly that they haven't found them yet, not that yagoo don't want to. feel like ppl think make a "EU branch" will just be easy as grap 5 random person. hololive still the 2nd hardest agency to get in (vshojo is the hardest). after magni/vesper and sana disaster, i assume they will be more strict than ever

>> No.78181591

>>78180199
He literally can't. From the last public share count he is trickle selling but he physically can't sell large quantities without a public announcement. and doing so would crash the value in real time as he tried to sell out in volume defeating the purpose. And no one is retarded enough to look through the investor reports and niji's destroyed reputation and thinking it's worth buying such a diseased shambling corpse of a company.

The only thing that makes any sense is that Niji is in fact laundering money and for some unfathomable reason it came to a head and needed large volume for the 16 million buyback in feb then the 48 million buyback now. The buyback window to august and spending nearly an entire quarter's profits on the buyback over the shareholder meeting in july seems excessive when it doesn't fix any of the underlying issues.

>>78180260
It's not. They noted that even JP was contacting and concentrating the revenue in a smaller spread of talents. They're driving towards a cliff.
They outright said they aren't reassessing EN. When asked how they were going to revive EN they said they've written it off and are not considering EN for their strategic planning. EN's been ID'd and left to die. Which tracks since it's declined for 5 straight quarters and most of the branch bled roughly half their performance anyway.

>>78181111
They already have Maria and other "yuro" hour streamers. They have the tools they need they just don't give a singular fuck

>> No.78181729

>>78181591
who? and who? anyway, it's just 2. you can't make a gen with 2 girl.

>> No.78181848

>>78181729
I wouldn't remember cause I fucking hate yuro hours. /NijiEN/ could tell you. I only remember that Maria's in there cause she has sovl and starves just to fund projects.

>> No.78183776

goes to show what they really value over at anycolor

>> No.78187259

>>78164842
>But surely there's enough to put towards to elevating your lower/mid tier talents no?
Not only have they not done so, they have no experience to do it properly. Can't just copy Cover without the long-built support in place.

>> No.78187538

>>78113965
Long-term growth vs short-term.
Getting to the point where one can't keep up. Becoming obvious which will be around 5+ years from now.

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