/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

unbannable twitch ethots that have simpified twitch mods see vtubers as competition and make this retarded nonsense happen

Twitch hates vtubers.

>>77736096
>>77736125
Good, fuck any """"vtuber"""" that uses twitch

>>77736007
VRCHATGODS WW@

>>77736007
its not targeting vtubers you retard, vtubers have been treated as normal streamers before this
this is just about vrchat since it is a "game"

>>77736096
Its no secret that camgirls fuck the twitch mods. They even tried to put in the "artistic nudity" rules just to make the camgirls get banned less but rolled it back because vtubers took advantage of it

>>77736171
Filian wins.

>>77736007
Good. Fuck Vtwitchers.

>>77736171
I can see it being a problem if they have different rules for people who stream with a motion captured 3D avatar depending on what program they're using to render it, which is effectively what this is

>>77736164
LET'S FRICKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>77736007
So they fixed the vtuber tag? Can you guys report anyone misusing it now?

>>77736353
Nah, that would benifit vtubers.

>Filian can just wear skimpy lewd outfits now

These are the same rules that were in place before. Same rules have always been applied to both flesh a bribers.
TLDR: op is a new gag seanig

Why is VRChat getting favourable treatment over other software you can use to control a digital avatar?

>>77736007
They already reversed it. Look it up.

>>77736830
For VRChatters not vtubers, read the OP.

>>77736412
But she chooses not to.

>>77736007
>twitch
Opinion discared, have a nice day.

>>77736654
VRChat is a game. That makes Filian the most popular machinima maker.

>>77736007
Good, let those trannies force them back to youtube. The sooner tw*tch dies the better.

calm down muhammads, this does not target vtubers at all.

>>77736158
Wow. They have shit taste in who they watch. Also I thought Ironmouse was terminal and dying soon?

Whatever came of that? She still begging for $ these days faking her "Woe is me I'm dying" bullshit?

>>77737348
go back

>says the most outrageous stuff
>dabs on fentanyl floyd
>never gets banned
>new rules give her even more freedom
and on top of it she's mogging ironmouse in ccv now

>>77736158
hey why are they all playing rust? every single one is playing rust that's kinda weird you didn't cherry pick this during a rust event did you? nah it's probably a coincidence nobody would be dishonest on /vt/.

>>77737477
You need to be a little more subtle with your bait anon.

>>77736007
Kek it's only going to get stricter in the future.

>>77737467
Read the OP you stinky nigger

>>77737588
filbertchads won

>>77736007
Might be different if the concept of "vtuber" weren't constantly abused by fleshstreamers.
They know damn well that if they loosened restrictions on vtubers, there's going to be a slut somewhere doing dildo streams with an anime png covering her face.

>>77736654
it's more that vrchat is being treated like the pools&hot tubs category in that all the coomers are contained in there where they can easily be filtered and the advertisers don't have to see them. you can't do that with vtubers because there's no vtuber category and tags are custom, so to protect the innocent advertisers they need to be moderated more harshly.

>>77736007
vtuber restrictions are tougher because vtubers are more sexy than 3d.

>>77736007
Why are women constantly trying to get as close to naked on twitch?

>>77737710
the irony of posting this with your favorite buzzword from /#/ when you are actually illiterate. vtubers have had to abide by twitch's attire policy for years.

>>77737867
Virgin donos

>>77737867
because they're advertising their onlyfans.
of all fucking people asmon is the guy who keeps pointing out what the problem is. twitch keeps adjusting their guidelines to make their site more advertiser friendly, but OF-thots keep running laps around them and finding loopholes because twitch is too scared to openly say what the rules are trying to prevent.

>>77738061
>asmonroach clipwatcher

>>77738130
it is what it is

>>77737533
Nta but fuck you twitchfags that are ruining vtubing.

>>77737867
Money

>>77738130
the wall of blood divination sometimes speaks true.

>>77738143

>>77738144
it is what it is dood

>>77738260
It's ok when Holowhores do it though

>>77736259
not really because the rule states the exception only applies if you see random coomers on vrchat as it counts as a game

now if you are like filian and intentionally does flashbangs all day on her vrchat model then she can still get penalized

>>77737927
>buzzword
Dumbass nigger

>>77738305
it's not. if you give them a pass then you don't actually have any principles and whatever you say doesn't matter.

>>77737825
Why don't they just enforce that people tag things properly
This is a rhetorical question btw, I know the answer is that the people who make them the most money are the ones abusing them and they know they'd get shit on for inconsistent enforcement after letting them get away with it

>>77738427
>Being a whore with an uglyass fucking model
vs
>Being a whore with a pretty/cute model

There is a clear distinction

>>77737825
>furniggers get a free pass again

>>77738525
blah blah blah

>>77738739
I accept your concession.

>>77738143
>facking bloody twitch bloody whore bastard facking bloody
kek

>Rules for thee but not for me

>>77738789
why do you think virtue signaling tribal subhumans deserve to be engaged with?

>>77738849
Huh?

>>77737867
Just as their prostitute ancestors used to have phone booth fliers posted up in the red light district, they too have found a method of funnelling their audience off-site to where the paywalled smut is.

>>77738946
>whores are ruining vtubing!
>except the ones from my favorite anime
denounce all whores. otherwise you're just an ape.

>>77739085
>t. faggot

>>77738130
he's right though, although what's funny is that its his own talent agency that's responsible for some of the most blatant of it. this person is under Mythic with him for example: https://www.twitch.tv/velvet_7
99% of her "streams" are ASMR reruns while her shits open and she advertisers her OF in chat with via bot or all her socials

>>77737867
>Whores made anime whores are encroaching in their territory.
Love to see it. The un-included the ChatVR stuff because the twitch mod team is full of furries who use that shit all the time.

>>77739135
weird it's almost like he has no principles and is just rage farming for clicks.

fuck twitch

>>77738130
Just because some e-celeb faggot regurgitated an open secret doesn't make it any less true.

>>77736158
The numbermonkey brain cannot even comprehend why rust streamers will show up as recommended when ironmouse streamed rust for an entire week.

>>77737867
Remember when they made some really opaque change about artistic nudity or something and the vtubers INSTANTLY jumped on literally stripping and drawing porn on stream? The entire site is a shithole and it's exactly why no one takes any vtuber from there seriously, the only ones with any value stream on youtube, either duel or otherwise.

>>77739196
I don't think he had any implied moral stance on Twitch being full of softcore porn, he was just observing that it is, and the weird inconsistent flailing from their moderation team is because they don't want to ban it because it makes money but also don't want to openly admit that it's allowed because the consequences of doing so would cost them money

>>77736007
It looks like, as far as I can tell, their intention is that the rules still apply to your own avatar, it's just preventing you from getting bombed by some coomer in-game. But as usual their comms department sucks fucking ass and couldn't write clear communication about rules changes to save their lives, so who knows.

>>77736007
This is not the first time this site has been targeting vtubers while favoring female fleshstreamers who show their cleavage or regularly bend their ass over every 5min to write something on a board.

>>77736007
Based, /lig/ can seethe but so many of their "vtubers" are doing IRL shit now. I fully support twitch fucking up that demographic before it spreads beyond twitch. Vtubers must remain 2D.

>>77736007
NGL I'd rather they take a hardline anti-coomer stance instead of trying to carve out edge cases and exceptions for some things and not others

>>77737477
>I thought Ironmouse was terminal and dying soon
Why did you think that

>>77738525
Yeah, the distinction is
>pretty/cute model
Hololive
>uglyass fucking model
Not Hololive

You can hem and haw that it's not about that but you never, ever have any non-Hololive examples of "the right kind of vtuber."
So just be fucking honest about it.

>>77736007
>have a 3d model in a bikini
>get banned for sexual attire
>port model to VRchat
>dont get banned for sexual attire
?????????????????????????

>>77744292
VRChat's sales and marketing department have a man on the inside at Twitch

>>77737867
>close to
They’ll turn it into a full-on den of whores yet, anon. Incrementally, Twitch has been withered down over the years into a pale shadow of its former self, and that won’t ever stop.

>>77736260
Not just the camgirls though
Why do you think a whole army attacked a small vtuber ?

>>77744546
There is hypothetically a line where payment processors will start threatening to cut them off if they go too deep on showing softcore porn to children
Honestly I think they would have crossed it already but being owned by Amazon obviously moves the line back a bunch

>>77737588
Sorry Fillianbro, my uncle works at twitch and told me that they're going to ban vtubers doing flips tomorrow

>>77745015
They crossed it a long time ago, and I don’t see them stopping, so long as they always have a work-around. The blurring of thumbnails is likely just the beginning in their attempt to double-dip while playing with fire.

>>77737477
The most logical explanation is that her viewers gave her so much money that it prolonged her life.

>>77745465
Money tends to help when it comes to dealing with chronic illness, yes. Modern medicine can sometimes do that

>>77739936
Who was the vtuber who immediately started drawing a dick and said "every dono makes it bigger and more veiny"?

>>77737867
Because they want to be prostitutes without actually you know, being prostitutes. Say what you want about working girls, they actually fuck their clients at the end of the day. OF people want it both ways where they want the benefits of being a whore (admittedly there aren't actually that many when you get down to it) but none of the numerous downsides.

>>77737867
Women love male desire and attention.
It's hardwired.

>>77739196
I don't know if he's really against it outside of the fact that the mods make twitch worse for everyone as a result. If mods and advertisers didn't care then I don't think he'd have any issues with it.

>>77745925
That’s why I’m sure Twitch wants both halves of the pie and will continue to seek it. The mod team spilleth over with coomers, and so long as the advertisers don’t end up with a blatant case of radioactivity like with Marina’s faggot ass, they probably don’t give a fuck.

>>77736158
>>/vt/image/OloIa5FRvE1NvzE_Pq1AXw
>he's still mad

>>77737477
>They have shit taste in who they watch.
This was during the Rust twitch event with drops so those weren't her frequent watchers, kinda funny to see numberfags still seething about that.

>Also I thought Ironmouse was terminal and dying soon?
You thought wrong.

5/10 made me reply

>>77736007
>Fucks over the lewdchuubas specifically
I see this as an absolute win.

>>77737867
Because it fills both their ego and their bank account.

>>77737867
Because its literally free money "without" the negative connotations of doing this on porn sites.

>>77737867
>Twitch is a mostly gaming related platform, and has a younger mostly male demographic.
Because they can whore themselves out to as young an audience as possible, and promote their onlyfans and other main revenue sources. They're gaming the self promotion by deliberately targetting the youngest audience of men possible, since they don't stand out enough if they stick to 18+ websites.

>>77736286
The rule for streamers is wearing appropriate clothing that basically everyone already follows, including vtubers.
The rules for games are more lax because they don't want to lock streamers out of playing certain games just because there's things like nudity or clothing that would be considered TOS on a human/vtuber. So games that show nudity and the like are allowed, you just can't make said nudity a focus of the stream.
VR Chat in particular fell into a weird middle ground because it's a game, but some streamers will basically conduct their entire streams within it and it was confusing about whether or not the normal TOS rules applied. Add in that there was an outdated ruling on their TOS page that hadn't been updated since before vtubers were even a thing that muddied the waters further and that's why this became a publicly-announced thing. It's just a clarification on that rule to apply to VR Chat and any potential future games that work like it. Any vr chat streamers who were warned / banned inbetween the time this was pointed out and now were unbanned and had their warnings removed.

There. That's the whole story as we watched it unfold in /vsj+/ and not filtered through catalog retards.

Why is the west so aggressive toward anime while being more lenient toward irl porn?

>>77745465
This is unironically exactly what happened. If she hadn't started streaming she would have died when she caught COVID, she was able to get through it because she's now able to afford frequent plasma when she couldn't before.

>>77746547
One makes them money, the other is easy virtue signaling.

This is the dev of Waurdo which is the program that the majority of 3D vtubers use, including Hololive.
https://x.com/hakuyalabs/status/1799833677897371649

>.@TwitchSupport
Hey, developers of #Warudo here. Warudo is a 3D VTubing app used by many VTubers on Twitch. We appreciate your effort to better accommodate VRChat players, but your policy doesn't make sense. Let us explain.

>1) Many VTubers use VRChat as a VTubing platform, utilizing full-body VR tracking to interact with their viewers (not other VR players), while immersed in VRChat's virtual worlds.

>2) However, VRChat is not the only way to do this. VTubers who don't have access to (or don't like) VR use alternative apps such as VMC, VNyan, or Warudo. Some even develop their own 3D VTubing solution in Unity or Unreal Engine.

>3) Problem #1: Your policy is unfair. Why is using VRChat exempt from the attire policy, when streamers using similar apps are effectively streaming the same type of content?

>4) Problem #2: Your policy is unenforceable. If using the same avatar, same background, and without other VR players present, VRChat is literally indistinguishable from other VTubing apps. You are pushing all 3D VTubers to just use the "VRChat" tag regardless of what they use to stream.

>Please fix this. The VTubing community is more than happy to answer any questions you might have and collaborate on a fair policy. @Twitch
@djclancy999

>>77746547
??? Anon you realize you literally just go to prison if you have nude pictures of real life children right? Meanwhile anywhere anime fandom exists you can find lolis.

>>77747209
>your policy ia unfair and unenforceable
This is Twitch we’re talking about, neither has ever mattered.

>>77746795
>This is exactly what happened.


fixed this for you, no need to insert dumb zoomer slang for no reason

>>77739251
funny but fake as fuck

>>77746547
Vidya streaming platforms are adjacent to the vidya industry, which has exhibited a strong anti-Asian bias for decades.

>>77746547
western rules for things like that are incredibly inconsistent. showing a female nipple will get your movie a more adult rating then showing a guy getting his face peeled off

>>77746547
unironic anti-asian racism

same thing with jap games

>>77746547
I like how nobody's actually stated the well documented phenomenon that the west treats anything animated as inherently trying to pander to kids.

>>77748014
>>77747783
It's all about the money. All those changes and inconsistent rules are simply because they refuse to split NSFW content from SFW and lose all those flesh whores and advertisers who would leave overnight. Compared to that, vtubing gives earns them nothing and is easily used as a proof they are trying to enforce rules. Their broken monetization scheme means they can't afford to lose OF simp bucks.

>>77748399
If it's all about the money, then why not just allow vtubers to metagame just as hard as the e-thots? Why hamstring their ability to earn them a bigger cut specifically?

>>77736007
why does that tweet not have a link to the current rules? they always seem to make things extremely difficult for a streamer who is trying to comply with the rules in good faith.

like, no shit, this is a tweet that retracts a rule change, without saying what the rule was, without saying what it's changing it to, and without linking to the current rules text. if you wanted to design a rule announcement to be as useless as possible, it would look exactly like this.

>>77747520

>>77737867
Because moids reward them with money for it

>>77748868
Because they have to show they're trying to be advertisers friendly. Banning anime tits is the least self-damaging thing they can do.

Can someone explain to me how people still use twitch? Like damn

>>77748868
They have to appear to be making a token effort to police all the softcore porn on there, or payment processors will cut them off. They don't like handling payments for adult content because of the very high chargeback rates and how it looks bad to puritan burgers
Vtubers are niche so they get to be the ones Twitch pushes around so they can be seen to be doing something

>>77736007
The rules have always been the same for vtubers. They added new "cover it up slut" rules for VR Chat and then rolled the back. The end.

>>77749339
It's better for indies. The raid system and discoverability are much better than what they could get on Youtube streaming, the chat is also more advanced which is crucial for smaller streamers who rely on direct chat interaction to grow. There's also DMCA issues (that aren't related to react), Twitch allows people to have a split audio channel so they can play copyright music but their voice will be fine which is fantastic for artists who stream as the majority listen to music while they work, also yap streamers who want to talk about that sort of thing. If Youtube detects anything it can claim, the VOD gets nuked and you're fucked.

>>77749339
They have giant discord servers where chuubas hang out with each other and set up dates, also to boost your discoverability you only need to stream a lot rather than stream well

>>77746522
>they don't want to lock streamers out of playing certain games
Twitch has no problem with banning games, including games permitted on Youtube, never mind more permissive platforms. The rationale used here to excuse VRchat would apply almost 1:1 to e.g. Second Life, yet that game is banned. The only reason is that VRchat is orders of magnitude more popular, and thus could meaningfully impact Twitch's revenue more than advertiser protests, were it disallowed.

Doesn't affect me. Twitch sucks and I'm never watching anyone who chooses it as their platform. I just think the logical contortions required to pretend this isn't about money are humorous.

>>77751072
The difference is that Second Life allows adult things. VR Chat "officially" doesn't. Anyone doing adult stuff in VR Chat is breaking VR Chat's TOS and can get banned if they get found out.

>>77736007
>virtual youtubers
>twitch

>>77736007
how does it make logical sense to apply attire restrictions to vtubers but not VR chat?

>>77751675
>4chan
>not actually the 4th channel

>>77751966
It prevents people from getting struck for having Tits McGee's bimbo furry avatar lurch into frame.

>>77738143
>twitchfags that are ruining vtubing.

Correction: ENGLISH VTUBERS ruined Vtubing.

>>77752276
4 is the number of death. 4chan killed the internet.

>>77737348
I'd really prefer they stay on their subpar whore containment site.

>>77736158
>niggahigga doing well post youtube
I'm happy for him.

>>77736125
It has always been a lame platform

>>77755120
>>77736158
based my nigga

>>77736007
Most early western vtubers were just vrchat models kek

>>77736007
this is retarded
let me watch my pseudo porn filian streams in peace

>>77736096
I see how it is, HOES MAD is repeating itself again

>>77736158
jesus christ

If history has anything to say about how this plays out, Twitch will just openly accept being a fully porn-adjacent platform at some point. I remember when every indie anime game was being sniped down on Steam before Gaben pulled some strings and now everything but loli content is allowed.

>>77736158

>>77746522
I unironically feel bad for /vsj+/ regulars even though I never read that thread, just because every single fucking time the catalog breathes a mention of Twitch, I can see a glimpse of what they must be putting up with constantly.

>>77767388
That won't happen. Amazon isn't going to allow one of their subsidiaries to turn into a porn site

>>77736007
Likely because in VRChat you might not have control over what others are wearing.
Vtubers have complete control over this.

>>77767589
Eh not really, none of the current Vshojo girls have issues with Twitch's rules because they don't intend on testing what's acceptable. The only one who comes close is Zen, and body suits are fine.

>>77768141
Allowing yourself to use a led avatar is still stupid.
Vrchat is more of a chatroom than is a game nowdays. Is nonesensicaall rules

Twitch is so fucking weird right now.
Make a ruke and backtrack on it days after. Increasing sub prices. Bad monetization. Still abysmal bitrate. Prime share reduced.
People are always saying the ceo is so good and only see a directionless platform.

>>77768141
>>77768703
Just do a smart carveout
The streamer's VRChat avatar must follow guidelines
Any rule breaking outfits from other players doesn't get you flagged.
The system then enforces itself because every VRC streamer is going to dress their avatars up normally to avoid getting flagged

>>77736158
Nigahiga still alive. Nice.

I do not envy the Twitch management/development team
From an outsider perspective, it seems like 2010s era YouTube where no side is ever happy, people are constantly trying to fuck with you for their own gain, and the project is starved for profit, x100.

>>77737867
Money

>>77738427
my principles are that I like it when men and women are half-naked, and I refuse to apologise for it

>>77769164
I suspect there is a power struggle between people who want a cool and free website and jews trying to sanitize by removing any pro anime influence in favor of 3DPD on top of making it more expensive.

>>77746795
Wished she didn't get the support from idiotic simps.

>>77736007
good

>>77736007

Twitch thot vtubers should all kill themselves desu

>>77736096
This sentence would be incomprehensible in 2010

Did everyone forget when there was a smear campaign on Melody? Faggot hoes who stream with their real selves get pissy when anime girl streamers can do just as well or better than they can without completely whoring out their own body like they do.

https://www.youtube.com/live/qfeZx_PGlZo
Shiorin~

>>77781782
Now numbermuhammads are worse than those whores ever were.

>>77736096
A lot of those twitch thots are also vtubers

>>77736412
she wore a lot during her ERP phase

>>77739170
Why is that site run by such pathetic degenerates?

>>77736007
lmao later the vshojo tell you that this page is much better than YouTube.

>>77752607
I thought it was because it was twice as... something, than 2chan?

>>77736096
fpbp

>>77736007
That last sentence is brutal, you can't be more explicit that you have a double standard.

>>77736260
>back because vtubers took advantage of it
That's the most based thing that indie vtubers have done in history.

>>77736007
good thing there aren't any vtubers on twitch

>>77744752
This is not a good example, since she was a camgirl before becoming a vtuber.

>>77736544
false

>>77737611
and despite that, four morons fell into the bait.
vshojofags will never stop falling for the bait.

>>77737867
money

the amount of seething shitskins on this board is crazy

>>77791579
>t. shitskin

>>77738260
>>77738305
>but holo..

>>77739936
It's funny that you blame vtubers for following the rules and not Twitch for abusing their own rules for their benefit.

>>77791692
>double standards must be called out!
>except MY double standards though!

>>77747494
the stupidest example you could give

Twitch simp squealing is a good sleep aid for me.

>>77783795
vshojofags are the most cuck fanbase on this site.

>>77792069
What double standard are you talking about? Nobody says that Twitch vtubers are whores for wearing bikinis, they do much worse things.

For example:
https://youtu.be/eKCKxgLOARE?si=F3vXAyqN7JIa1IIv

>vshojofags defending unfair Twitch rules
why are you like that?

>>77771634
>I do not envy the Twitch management/development team
Yes, especially after 35% of their employees were laid off.

>>77771634
I don't feel any sympathy for them at all. If they work at twitch they know what they are getting in to. The company is ran by progressives and male feminists, of course it will be shit.

>>77771634
Why do you say this as if YouTube has gotten any better

Why is Twitch such a garbage fucking website?

>>77795028
because of the simps

Someone needs to explain to me how Halo_sweety doesnt get bans for ASMRs while Kittyflute does.

>>77796031
I don't know who they are, but I guess it's the loli model.

>>77737825
while that would make sense, there is no evidence that they're making the VRChat category advertiser free. Their rationale was "characters in video games" are not censored and that applies to VRChat too because it's a video game.

>>77746547
japanese cartoon is overtaking western cartoon and they have to do something about it