/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>77524577
quality bait
premium, if i may be so bold.

>2view still bitter about being rejected from Hololive
Love to see it.

>>77524577
holo is for idols, if you want conniving cliquey as bitches that are just like me fr fr then yes go to phase or any of the other small corpos that fester in holo's excrement, if you want the true to anime kayfabe then you can't do better than holo not that it's perfect but its the best we got

>>77524577
Just for reference this is Amano Serafi who got fired and sued by V&U. She leaked her contract to legal mindset.

>>77525830
>An indie streamer, Alien Mixture, who claimed to be the talent behind Serafi's character, stated that the amount of compensation V&U agency requested for the early termination exceeds $450,000.[16][17] In response to V&U's termination notice, on 26 March 2023, she made her own statement document explaining her numerous issues with management, such as: having two managers with low knowledge in English, lacking of support from a manager in charge of 10 talents at the same time, being pressured to making content even when she was unable to stream, and being praised for some streams before blamed for promoting hate speech through those same streams.

>>77524577
>Did hololive become too fake and sanitized?
Yes
>Do vtuber fans now prefer the real experience that Phase Connect offers instead of fake Hololive experience?
In my opinion no

Hololive has become sanitized and that sucks but I don't think being "fake" is a problem. I like vtubers that are committed to playing their character and maintaining kayfabe. Sadly neither Hololive nor Phase does this, in fact barely anyone in EN vtubing bothers with staying in-character. All of them are just normal streamers with anime avatars

>>77524827
fpbp

>>77524577
"Fake and sanitized" as opposed to "average and skanky?"
There's nothing wrong with professionalism. Not everyone wants to watch vtubers pissing onstream or throwing fits that make everyone feel uncomfortable, and if they do, there are plenty of options available.
It's nice to imagine that there are some women out there who can at least pretend to be likeable and interesting people.

>>77524577
Hololive is hololive, they aren't vtubers.
This is a compliment for hololive btw.
Western vtubers have showed they don't deserve being cataloged with hololive.

>>77524577
I genuinely wonder what the fuck these people see in Phase, because the only good one to me is Tenma. Congrats on your bait thread anon.

>>77524577
Given Holo gets 10x the viewers day to day and even more during events I would say no, vtuber fans do not prefer the Phase Connect experience.

>>77526578
What about Jelly? I haven't seen anyone say anything particularly objectionable about her.

pfft hahaha

>>77524577
Yes I am bored of hololive.
No I don't care for phase.
Hololive just does too many male collabs and for interaction with chat, you better shell out 50 dollars for a supa or there is no interaction.
I'd rather make a bond with a 2 view or 3 view and chat.

>>77524577
I hope Jap corpos are driven out of the West

>>77526938
I made Bae laugh with a silly comment, as a grey person
You're just not interesting

Hololive's "sanitized" nature is ironically why its still thriving, while that exV&U girl is pretty much unknown.

>>77526938
>Hololive just does too many male collabs and for interaction with chat, you better shell out 50 dollars for a supa or there is no interaction.

ah yes the five collabs in an entire month...

We want cute girls, if you like to call that sanitized because one of them is not making bomb threats on stream then cool, they are still the number 1 and no amount of seething will change that this year or the next

>>77524577
Q4 is coming nijinigger

>>77526578
even the owner thinks the only good one in the company is tenma, kinda.

>>77526938
nice try faggot but Fauna reads my comments several times a stream unless it's a collab and I'm a filthy grey

>>77527090
I'm not so sure I agree with your hypothesis since I make the chuubas I watch laugh all the time, drastically more than a single time.
Maybe I'm coping but I doubt a 5view or 6view has ever even read my comment and I wouldn't be surprised, unless they have an ungodly slow chat at the time.
The best they can do is pick out a comment every now and again and I yearn for a connection that is deeper than a faceless man in a crowd. My interest in hololive died with gura.
>>77527499
That's already 5 too many but if you do the maths with 5 average that's around 240 after 4 years.

>>77524577
tl;dw she prefers dramafags like old pippa

>>77526044
>vtubers that are committed to playing their character and maintaining kayfabe. Sadly neither Hololive nor Phase does this, in fact barely anyone in EN vtubing bothers with staying in-character
Fwmc?

>>77524577
No.
Also, Hololive is the most genuine and least fake vtuber corpo.
The girls in other corpos are phony versions of who they could be.
God exists. There is no doubt about that. He wants men and women to be a certain way.
God favours the girls in Hololive. God does not favour the girls in Phase.

>>77524577
That comment section is pretty funny cause its full of phasefags praising the company (of course) but also complaining that sakana is sanitizing the company and becoming more like hololive.
They're coping with "Pippa isn't being censored, she just cares about how her actions will affect the other members!".

>>77524577
I don’t know.

If I’m being completely honest, I eventually got bored of hololive and started watching indies, because they can be way less filtered. I think it’s natural and normal for content to become more sanitized/lowest common denominator the more mainstream it becomes. That’s fine. I don’t dislike nu-hololive or anything

>>77527921
This but unironically, only evil people lose interest in Hololive or don't want to be like Hololive

>>77528207
I think Vshojo is more mainstream than holoEN in the West but only Mouse strikes me as filtered

>>77524577
Phasefags continue to be insufferable

>>77526044
you never watched hololive
quit larping

>>77527921
This. At least when Holos are awful, they are genuinely awful.

>>77528376
>I think Vshojo is more mainstream than holoEN in the West
Even on Twitch, Hololive is everywhere while Vshojo is nowhere

Real women > kayfabe
Always was, always will be.

>>77528572
you say that but 50% of EN’s current viewerbase would throw an absolute temper tantrum if all the girls dropped the kayfabe

>>77528572
Why are you even watching vtubers then? Just watch regular fleshstreamers. Can't get more real than that.

>>77528511
>FILIAN YOU FUCKING HARLOT

>>77528677
you could theoretically preserve pseudo anonymity and let people be super unfiltered with the model while they basically just act the same as they do among friends irl

>>77528795
>they act like shitters so they aren't actually shitters but being real
Losers lose. That's the reality of it. The girls in Hololive are better people. That is the reality. They act off stream with eachother the same way they act on stream with eachother. This is the reality.

>>77526578
They don't see anything because, like most trash, they watch only clips and with phase it's usually some milquetoast edgy shit from pippa you'd find in a heavily moderated and jannied thread on /k/ or some other subverted shithole.
If someone watched streams and said they like phase that's one thing, but clipnigs get the rope no matter what manner of chuuba they're a supposed fan of.

>>77528677
JP Vtubers are the cutest when they act like real Japanese women, somehow this becomes "le pure kayfabe" in the weeaboo gaijin's mind

>>77528880
k

>>77529070
If you weren't constantly debasing yourself and making life worse for everyone around you then you would understand why Hololive is real and Phase is fake

>>77526938
I've been read by almost everyone in EN more than once
You're just not interesting or funny I guess

>>77528376
mouse will filter in that she won't badmouth people or companies that her friends or vshojo might come into contact with because she doesn't want to damage those relationships, but otherwise no she's pretty open with her opinions, behaviour, and language

>>77527921
>Also, Hololive is the most genuine and least fake vtuber corpo.
this is true
>God exists.
but this is not

>>77524577
what happened Serafi? our attempt at trying to pull a Selen was a failure so you're trying to start a new drama now?

>>77527826
retard catalog nig phase does more collabs with stars than holo has done in a year keep fucking seething

>>77529133
I don’t even really like phase I just think it’s objectively true that EN is stale and boring nowadays

>>77528376
So now filtered means not starting shit with other people??? phasebrowns are truly the lowest of the lows.

>>77524577
Hololive isn't stagnating though. Advent has been hugely successful. Half of phase are fuwamoco fans ffs

>>77529396
>super unfiltered
You're evil and don't recognise what is real and what is a reflection of yourself.
Deal with it.

Every idiot who says dumb shit like "hololive became too fake" has never watched hololive and doesn't understand japanese

>>77529444
>holofag
>immediately starts numberfagging
not exactly surprising given it’s basically the only way you can even pretend the branch is interesting anymore

Start throwing out actual data to make your case. Or are we going by the standards of vibes instead?
Also being excessively crass, constantly cursing, or otherwise being loud all the time and screaming is not how real human beings behave on the day-to-day. I know, shocking revelation. Saying "poo poo vagina" is not being real. You just prefer that kind of persona for your choice of anime girl to adopt.

>>77529528
watashi benkyou nihongo tokidoki anno hololive EN still boring as fuck

>>77529533
>seething

>>77529621
you literally are eating the vtuber equivalent of microwaved leftover mcdonalds and then trying to act superior about it, I don’t even know what to say anymore

>>77529533
There was no numberfagging in that post.

>>77529396
The problem with EN is that there are not enough of them. Instead of debuting more hololiveEN cover was doing dumb stars shit and lost the momentum.
Advent improved things a bit but hololive
EN needs at least 2 more gen (one of them being EU one)... But covid buff is gone forever so industry is not exactly in a good state for more EN debuts EVEN from hololive.
So basically management fucked it up real hard for EN... sadly

>>77526938
Just admit you're a groomer lol

Serafi I know your here, post your tits.

>>77529618
I dunno I watched mumei and bae offcollabs and they were pretty fun together

>>77529697
>we are not “stagnating”
>advent has been “hugely successful”
he’s not whipping out charts but that is absolutely numberfagging in essence

>>77529686
>still seething

>>77525589
What if I want anime kayfabe that has nothing to do with idols at all? Where do I go?

>>77529533
Saying Advent is successful is numberfagging?

Of course she says shit like that, pippa is her oshi and gator is her friend (he took her to offkai), she's a /pol/tard too

>>77529827
He's literally using the word OP used you inbred retard.

>>77529833
yes you’re so right anon, you’re so edgy and cool for watching gawr gura in the year of our lord 2024

>>77525589
Holo is for camwhores who pretend they're idols.

>>77529827
Seethe harder phasefag

I'm sure there are unique indies out there but all the really successful 4view ones feel like the same person
they all use the same sexual/grossout humor, the same twitch lingo, make the same ebin cursed knowledge references I don't find shocking or amusing anymore because I've seen it a dozen times
on the other hand watching, for example, bae feels different from watching mori, who feels different from watching fauna, and so on and so forth.

>>77529928
>seething

is there a single group of people easier to get (you)’s from than holofags, oh my goodness

>>77529931
Can a camwhore be an idol? Is it possible to be both? I consider Noel an idol, knowing what she does as notNoel.

>>77529686
If they're microwaved leftovers then all the others are a dried dogturd.
One is more palatable than the other and shit-eaters must be mocked.
You retarded shiteater lmao
Everything is superior to you.

>>77529931
... idols are camwhores

What is it that was posted a long time ago? "Hololive taught me that women are tolerable when put under a moral code that limits what they can do and say."
Until roastoids learn that no man gives a fuck what they have to say or think outside of use holes, they're never going to get it. How fitting that society has been going to hell in a handbasket, the more we act like women are men, instead of overgrown children.

>>77530012
>im just trying to get (You)'s im not mad and posting on cooldown

>>77530011
all kinds of gravure and photoshoots idols do aren't making them non idols
as always people have no fucking idea what idols even are and jsut spouting nonsense

>>77530012
yes, Vshojofags.

>>77524577
What does phase even do nowadays that these people consider it as the super edgy and free vtuber company? From what I've heard, fishman has been stopping pippa and some of the other girls from going full retard on stream now. Is it just loud clipfags slinging shit everywhere?

>>77530058
>responds AGAIN
hololive is not sending their best today, can I argue with the dogfuckers instead

>>77530132
>seething

>>77530012
>he says after 20 threads hitting the post limit of phasekeks ginning up insane conspiracies about OffKai volunteer staffers

>>77530048
>Use holes instead of "Use of their holes"
I swear, the ESL exposure is making me forget how to English.

>>77530132
you should go back to r*ddit.

>>77530011
>>77530100

>>77530012
>>77530118
What this guy said. Make Vshojo vs Hololive bait and boom you'll get to bump limit in less than an hour as both retard fanbases pull out all the stops.

>>77526044
>committed to playing their character and maintaining kayfabe
Is that even desirable constantly?
To me holomems are like characters from a long running anime shows streaming their behind the scenes and personal takes. It would be exhausting to always have to deal with a committed roleplay constantly.

>>77530048
>"Hololive taught me that women are tolerable when put under a moral code that limits what they can do and say."
That was never really accurate

>>77529889
you start your own agency

>>77524577
This is one of the weakest and least thought-out baits I have seen in months. Put some effort into it you lazy pathetic fucker.

>>77530048
median HoloEN enjoyer
truly a mystery as to why these types are terminally single

>>77530326
>I get laid bros trust me
You're clearly obese

Seeing golden balls on Pekora's tower out of nowhere is funny
Talking about shit and cum or politics 24/7 is just annoying

>>77524577
>>77524827
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-okrbB2shgsauFNpqoB5rA/videos
>pippa
>kirsche
>puerto rico
lol. brownvtm shilling his shit
"HoLoLivE bAd!"

>>77530128
I remember I tried watching phase couple of years ago.. around time lumi was playing homeworld. But quite soon it became obvious that they are inferior to hololive. Doubt things changed since then

>>77524577
>>77524827
is it really? you have to be a holo reject to join phase

Will the blatant astroturfing ever stop?

holofags so sensitive about their boring ass chuuba’s this thread is gonna hit bump limit in like four hours

Hololive literally never cared about "maintaining keyfab" and was always quite light on keyfabing.
Is this idea that keyfab is so important some kind of dumb invention from western vtuber community?

>>77530633
Terms exist for a reason. Whore doesn't mean an actual whore, it means a male collaber. Kayfabe is basically a borrowed term for the idea of not being constantly reminded that the vtuber is not in fact an anime girl

>>77529533
>OP talking about Hololive popularity.
>Anon responds talking about Advent popularity.
>Some faggot (you) comes into the thread and starts seething about anon's on-topic post.
You are mentally ill.

Quick reminder of what being real means. Until it got too real, and then the realests get dumped on the curbside and extensively hated on by those that demanded anime girls be real.

>>77525830
makes me think her former company might've been in the right after all

I don't really like either, both are too large and sterile to be fun. But holoEN is basically another story of "a thing 4chan liked years ago, that red dit ran into the ground with unfunny humour".

>>77524577
On planet retard.

>complains about being "sanitized"
If I wanted countless sex jokes, and being "unhinged", I would watch flesh streamers instead or even better, just talk to my friends.

I watch Hololive to relax after a days of work. I want to watch cute girls being idols, having fun, and doing cute things together. You won't find this kind of entertainment anywhere else.

>>77530231
>Make Vshojo vs Hololive bait
Just by doing a "put company here" bait transforms over time into "company vs Hololive bait".

>>77526938
You are 1 of 3 things. A idiot who types out paragraphs and expects any chuuba with 5k+ to read them, a spamming retard who everyone ignores, or are just uninteresting with pointless comments.

>>77525589
>holo is for idols

>>77530910
>seething

>>77528376
Vshojo is "mainstream" for ironic weebs.

>>77530845
is it hololive that changed or (you) that changed though
I agree EN is a snoozefest nowadays but a large part of the hate is just channels feeing like they HAVE to be contrarian at all times.

jesus fuck this thread is really just a numberfag shithole by extension.

>>77530952
*channers

>>77530875
Finally, someone who gets it.

>>77526044

> "I like vtubers that are committed to playing their character and maintaining kayfabe"

No you don't. I don't believe people actually believe this, and if they do, they're morons. Do you seriously think that Gura pretending to be an actual sharkgirl from Atlantis would make her content better instead of just being cringe?

Would Mumei be more entertaining if she pretended to be the... Avatar of Civilization, whatever the fuck that means?

Kayfabe is for babies and DnD nerds.

>>77530727
>idea of not being constantly reminded that the vtuber is not in fact an anime girl
what exactly does this entail?...
I've watched hololive for like 4+ years and never thought about silly things like that
I guess I'm not delusional enough

>>77526674
Holo fans are not vtuber fans, most of the 'pekora' fans in /#/ are literally third world faggots who want to ride the hypetrain and are disinterested in anything but numbers and clips. Casuals will never be real fans of anything. When the fad dies down, the numbers go down.

>>77526044
>in fact barely anyone in EN vtubing bothers with staying in-character
Don't pretend this only applies to EN

A 2view one day spotted a beautiful array of talents in Hololive, flourishing with fame and prestige. The girls seemed brilliant in their radiance, and the 2view dreamed of ascending ro their ranks as she gazed longingly at them.

However, Hololive was incredibly selective, and the 2view would have to compete with the very best. The first time she auditioned, she missed it by a long way. So the 2view stepped back a short distance and took a running leap at Hololive, only to fall short once more. Again and again she tried, but in vain.

Now she sat down and looked at the Hololive talents in disgust.

"What a fool I am," the 2view said. "Here I am exhausting myself to join a shitty evil company."

And so the 2view walked off, very scornfully.

>>77531052
>vtuber with blue hair talking about dying her hair from brown to black

>>77531098
just don’t act all surprised when hololive gradually reclines into oblivion after all this smugposting about how the people who think your corpo has gotten stale are 2views

>>77529889
There might be some indies that do it. I dunno if there are any corpos like that. The thing is that there is a lot of overlap between being a vtuber and doing singing/karaoke/covers etc streams and videos. So it naturally gravitates towards idol culture due to the overlap.

>>77531054
Hololive fans are the only vtuber fans, everyone else hates vtuber content but wants to be part of a community(only hololive is part of it) that constantly creates great things.
Outsiders are leeches to hololive fans, the same way your vtubers are leeches to our girls.

>>77524577
>Genuine literal who
Jealousy. The answer is jealousy.

>>77531175
If they decline, it'll be alongside everyone else in the industry, Netflix style.

>did hololive become too fake and sanitized?
This is only a problem with JPs, everything from their voices, to their personalities and preferences are fake/corporate character.
EN girls don't have this problem, while still playing characters they are more genuine. Partly because westerns can't stick with the larp for more than a month

>>77531266
sounds like hubris to me, but we shall see. I like hololive but it’s seriously starting to get worrying

>>77525589
> holo is for idols
Counterpoint. Kronii

>>77530845
>I don't really like either, both are too large and sterile to be fun
you've never watched hololive

>>77524577
Oh great. Another pick-me attention seeker grifter. Just what we needed.

>>77530875
>If I wanted countless sex jokes, and being "unhinged"
it's not like some holos don't do sex jokes or even being unhinged
Talents decide for themselves how they want to conduct themselves. Cover mainly only cares about channel not being banned or demonetized

hololive doesn’t have any meme magic anymore.

>>77530011
They'd have to behave like idols. If you talk about male genitalia, prostate massages, piss/scat fetishes, how horny you are, how you're a lazy and smelly slob, complain about numbers, flaunt your wealth, get drunk on stream, etc. then you're not an idol.
Calling Hololive an idol agency is an insult both to actual idols and to vtubers who try to maintain an idol-like image.

>>77531517

Also it's funny that Hololive is considered fake, as if its normal to be completely degenerate like a lot of western vtubers seem to be.

>>77531517
>vtubers who try to maintain an idol-like image
Okay. Fine.
Like who?

>>77531625
vtubers are degenerate because the west is degenerate, anon. it’s unironically more relatable and real for them to act like drug addicted hoes

>>77531175
wtf do even want from hololive lol

Everyone is fake, everyone changes their behavior when talking to different people

>>77531694
I'm from the most normie place in the planet and no one ever talks about sex with their friends.

>>77531307
>This is only a problem with JPs, everything from their voices, to their personalities and preferences are fake/corporate character.
another dumbass who has never watched hololive...
Aren't you people embarrassed?

>>77531763
you live in a bumfuck irrelevant flyover state with the gdp of an african village

>>77531517
Who's your real idol oshi?

>>77531820
The UK is the most normie place on the planet anon

>>77531783
I only watch hololive

>>77531859
>UK
yeah, I rest my case. holy fucking kek

>>77531175
Its okay girl, maybe someday you'll be able to reach a tenth as many views as the least popular holo.

>>77531892
>seething
Like I was saying, it's not normal to talk about degenerate things. Not even drunk football fans do that.

>>77531307
Dumb EOP.

>>77531346
i didn't say they were all GOOD idols

>>77531859
>britbong
oh nononononononono

>>77524577
Why do phasefags try to tear down hololive and prop them up? Yes, that's a phasefag clip channel and a kiwifarm faggot.

>>77532169
My country is better than yours and im proud of my nationality than you are.

>>77532218
sure you are bud hahahahahahaha
why don’t you go elect liz truss again

>>77532292
>seething
My country is better than yours.

People are less interested in phase and other small corpos and more bitter about hololive. Behind every "fan" of a phase or other 3-view girl is a bitter/jaded ex holo fan who either didn't get that groomer experience they wanted or felt like they were slighted for some reason.

Not watching your sluts phase, now stfu and make more money for OFFKAI4

>>77530452
I stopped watching Lumi around/after her Cyberlive days and it's not because of the drama, but because she doesn't stick around in one game and has the most surface level understanding on everything. Queen of /vst/ my ass.

>>77532314
My country can walk right through the door.

>>77531892
Are you proud of living in a country where drug addicted people are the norm ? Are you perhaps mexican ?

>>77532542
Are you ogey anon? My country is better than yours.

>>77528572
this, especially when they dont use their vtuber models all the time, that's why Kson is my oshi

>>77524577
The amounts of cute aggression this woman is handling, holy shit.

>>77532549
I prefer living somewhere where the starting salaries for college grads are more than 18,000 pounds a year yes

>>77532629
>he took gender studies

>>77532682
>The average software engineer salary in the United Kingdom is £48,524 per year

>>77532575
I'm sorry, the answer we were looking for was "With a feeling so pure."

>Pissing contest about what shithole is better to live in between burgerland and bongland
Jesus

>>77524577
>Did hololive become too fake and sanitized?
always have been

>>77532733
Yeah yeah, we can’t all be DubaiChads, save it for later.

>>77532722
Institute of Student Employers (ISE) research indicates that the average graduate salary in the UK sits at £33,229

The average salary for Software Engineer is £53,230 per year in the United Kingdom

>>77532733
>thinking it was a burger

>>77532835
yes, and that’s literally half the salary of an equivalent burger. thanks for proving my point for me

https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm

>>77532549
weed is not a drug
retarded britcuck. of course you wouldn't know living in that dystopian shithole

>>77532913
Our currency is twice as good. You're not an american anyway thats why you were ashamed of your national identity and thought others would also feel that shame.

>>77531672
Just about every JP corpo has their own idols unless we're talking about full-blown AVtuber corpos.
Gems Company and Palette Project are literally idols. Most if not all of .Live, VPI, Varium, ReAct and 774 fit the idol image better than Hololive as well.
I'm not saying that Hololive doesn't have any idols btw. Problem is that the Matsuris, Chocos and Marines outnumber the Soras and Azkis of the company.

>>77533015
pounds are 1.28 USD you moron, I already did the currency adjustment when I said half. now go jerk of starmer and yell at a tory or something, I’m getting bored talking to peasants from the third world

>>77533101
For now, soon it will go back to regular and it will be double as usual

>>77524577
Why all these 2views pick-me indie trash always so salty about Hololive? The Hologirls are the most inoffensive vtubers in this entire community. They pick no fights with nobody and are even friends with many indies too. Just let Hololive be Hololive. Edgy, pick-me, grifters, degenerates in this community are a dime in a dozen. There is nothing special about you.

>>77529533
>hololive is stagnating
>no it isn't
>omg stop numberfagging
Kill yourself.

>>77524577
Really? Right when EN's about to get CTW2? Or are people just conflicted on this matter?

>>77533174
this anon likes watching paint dry and is proud of it

>>77533256
This anon pretends to be american and isn't proud of it

>>77533171
if she was able to understand that she wouldn't have this dumbass fucking opinion in the first place

I don’t really understand why holofags act like they’re superior to twitch whores, and then I boot up a holo stream and it’s like matsuri getting railed by ecelebs, bae playing penis games, and gura sucking her members off in memgens

>>77533046
>the most idol-like holos are the ones collabing with males
really makes you think

>>77533256
>omg can't you see that thing you like is inferior and thing I like is superior? Wake up sheeple and start enjoying thing I like right now!
No.

>>77533399
>I boot up a holo stream
heh
you mean a "holo" clip

>hologods please gaze upon our vtubers
no

>>77533399
kek

Average phasekek when you call homostars homos

>>77533488
>no argument, just ad hominems
I don’t know why I expect anything different from my holochud friends these days

>>77530952
Have you watched any of the dramatubers streams ? like rima or even depressedsagi they talk on stream on how negative videos perform better than positive ones in terms of views even if its positive they have to include in something negative to increase interactions. I imagine this is how it's gonna be for those who made it their career to cover vtuber drama is gonna go, so even while nothing is happening they're gonna have to make drama out of it since they're reliant on it.

>>77533746
is this reddit ass meme supposed to be celebrating hololive or mocking the quality of the memes of the people who still watch it, I can’t tell

>>77531346
shes feminized now

>>77533797

>>77533410
Maybe because idol culture isn't about males? This whole muh male collabs thing is a Frankenstein interpretation is an unholy fusion both by idol woketard antis and manchildren who need an anime babysitter.

>>77534174
I literally was a unicorn back when I watched hololive. take the projection elsewhere

>>77534238
I don't know vtubers from literal who corpos, which vtuber in this graph is from phase?

>>77524577
The very reason it took me years to get into vtubers is because I never bothered to look beyond Hololive. It's not so much that Hololive is fake, but rather that Japan as a whole is so sterile and so weird that it can very much look fake. I don't give a shit about whoever this is, hell it wouldn't surprise me if she was just a bitter /pol/fag with shitty views that Phase would be better off without, but credit where it's due: the nice Phase girls like Shiina and Ember are so much more watchable than any of the Holos.

>>77534266
>holofag
>numberfags
like pottery.

>>77533693
my argument is that you've never watched hololive in the first place and should shut the fuck up

>>77534330

>>77524577
This is a good thing, please all the western sisters and retards in general please go watch vshojo or twitch indies. Even if Yagoo or management want their product to be the n°1, I don't and most people don't, this is like some music genres that make a lot of money and have millions of fans, but at the same time they filter a lot of people, they just need to attract the right fanbase, not a global one. If retarded 2views that cry when they see a loli or when they see someone buying mcdonalds get filtered, then good, fuck off and watch phase or vshojo

>>77534388
again, this sounds like an ad hominem. I recommend working on your anger problems in a professional setting before continuing to post

numberchimps? in MY holofanbase?

>>77526690
If she's the one I'm thinking of (and I don't regularly watch Phase so I could very well be wrong) Jelly's too fucking weird to anti. That's not a knock, weird can be good, but it requires a level of effort to understand that most would-be antis are incapable of expending.

>>77534515
your "argument" was ad hominem in the first place
meanwhile it's fucking obvious that you don't watch hololive OR have any idea about idols or idol culture so you opinion is irrelevant

>numbers and streaming, that doesn't make any sense

hololive has fallen…

>>77533410
The trick is to not behave like Matsuri or Aki around them.

>>77531444
>Talents decide for themselves how they want to conduct themselves. Cover mainly only cares about channel not being banned or demonetized
indies can only do that because they have a small audience and have no risked of getting banned/demonitized.
Meanwhile Hololive has become too big that they don't want to piss of potential sponsors and youtube.
If you were watching vtubing in the early days. Cover didn't care what talents put out and talents were more unhinged. Till the whole "Holocaust" happened, and now they're making sure it won't happen again.

>>77535046
so you agree hololive is inherently stale and boring now?

>>77535109
this has to be a false flag at this point, what are you even doing

hololive are the Nintendo of vtubers
They're enormously successful while completely ignoring what the rest of the industry is doing, and it makes people like OP inexplicably very angry

I enjoy watching both of them

Are phasefags angry because flayon keeps collabing with their whores ?

>>77535161

>>77535438
least insufferable nuLive fan

>>77535483

>>77524577
almost everyone who gets into vtubing goes through a hololive phase (get it), the way almost everyone goes through a ween and steely dan and tool phase.

Is it a little boring? Yes. Do I want to talk about it any more? Not really. Is it straight up bad? No. Is it even mediocre? No. It’s good. We’ve all just already been there, done that.

>>77535075
Not being overly vulgar or "being unhinged" isn't the same as being stale and boring, so no. It's like calling SoL or most romance stories "boring" because they aren't about sex or violence.
It's not like Hololive pointed some sorts of invisible gun at their viewers. If something isn't interesting enough, people just won't watch it

>>77524577
I mean she's bitter but at the same time she's not wrong, phase is more gung-ho while hololive every girl is walking in eggshells because Japanese autism, hololive is the worst it's been where every girl just smiles and waves like an animatronic saying thank you for giving them $100 when other chuubas will straight up begin to cry if you give them $10. the entire concept of the oshi is incompatible with hololive as well, they have made it there's no "push" or big goal anymore. they're just characters to sell merch they're not human or even sentient.

>>77535951
reddit_live.png

>>77535819
>the entire concept of the oshi is incompatible with hololive as well
Only if your oshi is a streamer that has no clear goals other than... streaming. But that applies to everything else, not just hololive. Pushing your oshi in hololive shouldn't be compared with other vtubers because they're already at the top, so the ambition here lies elsewhere and outside of vtubing.

Hololive is the Naruto of vtubers. It's the mid average slop that normalfags buy in droves, that you have to get through to get to better things.

>>77529889
unironically used to be Niji's main draw.
how the mighty have fallen.

>>77536074
mas o menos

>>77535046
It is really not that different...
While not pissing off sponsors might be also their concern they are not exactly policing talent's speech over it.
>Cover didn't care what talents put out
they sure didn't care until channels started to get banned, demonotized and the whole china thing. Like literally every rule and restrictions they have is an answer to some kind of drama or fuck up.
>and talents were more unhinged
More unhinged how? Even if you are a EOP there are still translated clips of totally unhinged okayu x marine stream (not many clips for privated one with botan tho)
Or like I tune into shiori's streams sometimes and shit she says is the most unhinged shit ever.
Or Matsuri talked about how she changed a bit with her lewd jokes and such but also said management never bonked her for shit she says
Or Marine with her "suffocating" comments.. but it's not like she's not saying wild shit anymore... it's basically the same but management is VERY concerned with her channel getting fucking banned or deleted or whatever dumb shit they said
>Till the whole "Holocaust" happened, and now they're making sure it won't happen again.
that had to do with game permissions more than anything else

The ultimate truth is again(as always) - people who says dumb shit about hololive never watched it in the first place. Hololive talents all have their own vision, fans and way to entertain people. Some changed, some became more unhinged some less.
Whatever restrictions cover has are there for a reason.

>>77535992
what push is there to make when these girls make 6 to 7 fucking figures a year bro??? are you stupid? oh wow the poor millionaire isn't in a video game/anime? like bro come on, they're not the underdogs anymore they're a dynasty and that's why it's incompatible for them to even be called oshis. I know corporate Japan/cover wants you to endlessly fork over cash like a robot but use your fucking head, a hololive talent makes more money selling cheap Chinese trash to retards than your super chat or membership money

>>77529889
>What if I want anime kayfabe that has nothing to do with idols at all? Where do I go?

We had it... and it was beautiful... Until it got shut down because of management abuse. They had the biggest numbers of all vtubers for a brief moment. If they had kept at it, the vtubing industry would have shifted towards kayfabe way harder.

>>77535223
this so much
so many fuckers want for hololive to be more like this or that... instead of fucking off and leaving hololive do hololive

>>77536074
with the caveat that vtubing is like 25 years being the cultural acceptance of anime and even admitting to watching to HoloLive is gonna get you side eyes in western social contexts atm

>>77526938
>he watches vtubers to 'make a bond'
AAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA FUCKING FAGGOT GO OUTSIDE AND TALK TO SOMEONE YOU FUCKING LOSER HAHAHAHHAHAHA HOLY SHIT

>>77536310
It's not about the fucking money, retard. Once you get in hololive it's never about the money anymore. It's about reach and there are still people out there that aren't vtuber fans. There's still shit to do and things to accomplish, and in contrast, vtubing is tiny compared to everything else in the outer world.

everyone in this thread including the literal who chuuba this bait thread was created around does not actually watch phase connect, neither phase talent nor phase fans hate hololive, plenty of phase talent have hololive oshi, phase ceo's oshi is marine, the one company phase does dislike is nijisanji sisters need to stop false flagging

>>77536470
*behind

Y'all got any of that hololive viewer?

>>77535819
Kek get a load of this seething nijisister. The truth is most Holos have been doing this for years, their careers are stable, and they're simply desensitized to it all. The same vtuber who cries if you give her $10? If she becomes a success then in a few years time she won't even bat an eyelid at $100 superchats. There's no push or big goal anymore because their journeys are complete. They made it. It has nothing to do with Hololive specifically. This is just what long term success does to people after awhile.

>>77533171
>The Hologirls are the most inoffensive vtubers in this entire community. They pick no fights with nobody and are even friends with many indies too
But that's exactly the issue. You don't see CGDCT, inoffensive indies pick a fight against Hololive. You rarely see VTubers who are truly satisfied with themselves and their fanbase do either
While not always, it's usually those who are generally around the edge of the spectrum, and think they should be able to grow bigger, do - and it's understandable: if Hololive's behavior and kinds of contents become part of the formula for VTuber's success, it'd mean those "unhinged" indies are doing things wrong and won't even have the chance to grow as big as they want. People don't want to admit they are wrong and there is the matter of sour grapes, too

>>77536526
>nor phase fans hate hololive
Yeah right.

>>77536526
yeah, phasepagpag doxxers and pippa talking about kiara's rm on twitter are the biggest hololive fans

>>77536526
this thread has nothing to do with phase, it’s a “did hololive sell out/lose it’s magic” thread.

Hololive sucks, Phase Connect is heckin unhinged

>>77536571
>Get a load of this nijisister, they're so dumb am i right
>proceeds to point out why my arguments are valid
I think I broke through your holoslop mind control for a bit kek

>>77536702
>insulting other people’s looks
don’t cast stones when you live in a glass house, etc.

Fuckers we just had kino DBZ and "Hardcore" minecraft arks and it JUST from pekora
and you dumbass say hololive is stale or boring? fucking lmao

>>77536526
Holofaggots only watch holo and invent all crazy shit about all the other companies. There are more idol like characters in Phase that what they imagine.
Holofags love Shiori and Fuwamoco but when they were 2 views they mocked them and called losers without talent, and that was absolutely indisputable. They are probably shitting on the EN4 talents rn. Which they will forget when they join the blue dorito.

/thread

I'm closing the tab and gonna masturbate to Henkuma, no one reply to my post I won't read it.

>>77536571
watame still cries every stream

weird falseflag desu

>>77536783
Were you offended?
This is the face of a hololive fan

>>77536265
>literally every rule and restrictions they have is an answer to some kind of drama or fuck up.
Unironically this is the reason. There's a reason the worst time in Hololive was during and after the Coco fallout. They had to crackdown to make sure to protect the talents but also to prevent another incident like the Taiwan bullshit (fuck you china) which led to a ton of burnout from the talents and the rise of Nijien since it was clear they had alot more freedom to have fun than Holo did. Once Coco left and things calmed down they were able relax restrictions and really let everyone thrive and Holo has been unchallenged since.

>>77536914
>rise of Nijien

>>77536741
I pointed out why your argument is totally invalid, actually. You're blaming Hololive when in reality none of it has anything to do with Hololive.

>>77536658
Which is why holofags have to deflect and make it about Phase or somebody else. Criticizing Hololive isn't allowed on /vt/.

>>77536828
>>77536526
I unironically do not see ONE hololive fan in this thread so I guess people here are equal about not watching shit they are talking about

>>77525974
>stated that the amount of compensation V&U agency requested for the early termination exceeds $450,000.
Who the fuck would even sign a contract like that? Holy shit, what a retard, if this is real.

>>77536578
I would also draw a parallel with how Pepsi's marketing would constantly talk about Coke
Anyone who talks about what other people are doing instead of why they themselves are worthy of attention is simply reinforcing that they are a loser

>>77536310
Going from a small venue to a stadium, maybe ?
https://www.youtube.com/live/P_ptI5iH7Vg?si=OuY42GTyYyon6UDF&t=1937
https://www.youtube.com/live/aBU9HgJmUWk?si=xLgePsSBWnPYDQ_-&t=2232
Kiara wants to do that for example, she still has a long way to go.

>>77537011
>Criticizing Hololive isn't allowed on /vt/.
Where's the criticism tho?

>>77536973
The rise and then almost immediate crashing and burning of Nijien. KEK

If you keep making more threads about the decline of hololive maybe it will become reality one day, years away from now. Hololive is only growing stronger and all you do is seethe harder in this small corner of the internet

>>77536658
phase is sort of standing in as a catch all for indies/smaller corpos/anything other than hololive, but agree.

>>77537162
but it’s not growing stronger, you can feel that it’s lost it’s heart and it grows more obvious every week.

>>77537258

>>77536914
I think they were unchallenged before during and after taiwan fallout
if anything all the restrictions made them be more creative

>>77537258
It lost so much soul that Towa cried from hapiness during her solo concert.

>>77537258
2 more weeks, sister

>>77537149
Being called stale/sanitized/fake doesn't sound like criticism to you?

>>77536828
Jokes on you I watched the twins before they were in Holo. Shiori, while I respect her veterancy, she didn't really click with me before, or at least she wasn't a crazy than she is now.
I watch everything from holos, to *some* nijis, to small corpos and the ex-tsunderia part of Phase Connect.
Hell, I watched a little bit of pre-Tenma when she was shilled in /wvt/ and was mindblown that she was an actual woman when she got into phase.

>>77536519
Oh yeah I'm sure there are many things that the poor millionaires need to accomplish, it's just such a shame they can't use their vast wealth to you know make something new and fresh instead of wasting it on a twitter clone and a shitty game no one likes and only exists because the CEO has a chip on his shoulder from when he was a game dev
>>77537141
yeah and guess why her growth and many ENs as well has completely flatlined? Because in the west people acknowledge when something is stale, corporate and boring where as in japan it's an oligarchy ruled by the rich and famous. Where the bugmen worship companies and brands rather than individuals or personal wellbeing, the oshi has invented as a cope so the average retard can feel like he's part of a person's growth when in reality they are simply a number on an earning's chart.

>>77537258
the only ones who lost their hearts are people who hate on hololive for no reason

>>77537258
Maybe that's just you. Maybe you're just getting bored with it. Maybe everyone else is perfectly satisfied. I know I am.

>>77537258
the spam (you’s) speak for themselves.

>>77537258
I rarely watch hololive anymore and even I know this is bullshit.

>>77536828
>reddit spacing
you can't /thread yourself, newfag.

They thought they were getting a collab with a holo and it was a homo KEK

>>77524577
>Look into her twitter
>Content is her IRL begging for attention

errtime

>tried watching Phaseconnect

>>77537094
Did it say it was part of the contract? No? I wonder why that is...

Spoiler:
You're the retard for assuming it was part of the contract: It wasn't. They just billed her an invoice after she left with no warning, which is why when she ignored it, nothing happened.

Yes, I didn't spoil it because I fear you might be too retarded to hover over the spoiler to read.

I love how people act like hololive hasnt reclined and then you open up their financial statements and yagoo is straight up talking about how he doesn’t care about streams anymore or see any growth in it and he just wants to transition to being an IP company that sells merch

>>77537446
Or tie-ins to anime? One Piece? Suicide Squad? You oshi a specific girl( or set of girls) and not the company, so citing JP gachaslop as something to push for is an invalid argument because that's company action, not a talent. But if you really want to use that angle there's holoindie that encourages fan works and that's literally transformative content.
Vtubing still lacks popular recognition and Hololive is there to grow it - all other vtubers, including indies and small corpos, will benefit from that growth too.

>>77537417
Not when it's just buzzwords that get thrown around without any substance behind them
Like where the fuck is the substance? What exactly got stale? Who? Examples? Comparisons?
There's nothing. Meanwhile hololive only gets bigger and better at what it does.
Holos produce a lot of great content both as streamers and idols. A lot of great songs (like new one from watame and lui for example). 3D lives got much better since cover finally hired some competent people and can utilize capabilities of their new studio.
Like where the fuck is staleness? Fakeness? Maybe watch streams instead of being a dumbass?

>hololive has reclined

>>77537842
>They just billed her an invoice after she left with no warning
Well, I'll have to admit this was beyond my wildest expectations. Good for her that they're retards, then

>>77524577
>Clout chasing grifter shitting on Hololive #8651
Block, Do not recommend channel

>>77537429
>or at least she wasn't a crazy than she is now
every retard in the thread - holos aren't unhinged enough
meanwhile shiori - exists

>blue dorito
This thread is a falseflag from Vshojofags, they are angry because this week there were a couple of bait threads against their whores.

>>77537871
majority of people in /vt/ cannot read a investor conference call

>>77537446
Are you having a stroke ?

>>77524577
>literal who says controversial thing about popular thing
>now has more publicity than they ever would have had without it
And people wonder why grifters exist.

>>77537871
*ruffles through an entire mountain of acrylics and plushies to type on the keyboard*
N-N-N-NIJISEETHE

easy bump limit, I learned that from the deadbeats

>>77537871
>he doesn’t care about streams anymore
Because there's growth outside of just streaming and vtubing isn't just about streaming? Kizuna Ai wasn't even live.

>>77537871
that is the opposite of reclined,Vshojofag.

>>77537871
>I love how people act like hololive hasnt reclined and then you open up their financial statements and yagoo is straight up talking about how he doesn’t care about streams anymore or see any growth in it and he just wants to transition to being an IP company that sells merch

Yep, holofags don't even care for streams anymore (lol gura), they will still buy cuck wedding rings to make up for it. They are not "viewers", they are paraphernalia collectors.

easyyyyyy bump limit boys
3 hours 41, about 19 mins sooner than my prediction

>>77537982
vshojofags should embrace holo, hell even mousey worships mori and marine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R2H6qXL-cg

>>77538051
Ironic for you to mention a company that only sells acrylic stands.

>>77537446
>where as in japan it's an oligarchy ruled by the rich and famous. Where the bugmen worship companies and brands rather than individuals or personal wellbeing
..that's exactly the same in the west tho? even worse in some places
fucking west is literally worshiping actual fake as fuck personalities all the time
it's all fake grarbage

Threads really gay and brown. Who are your favorite cunnytubers? For me it's gura, biboo, shion, shondo, jelly, panko, wemi, muyu, alice sawyer, luna (yes she counts), and datenshi lune.

>>77538076
I want to be a shota and have calli sitting on my face.

>>77538076
It's funny how you always resort to this tactic when you're losing.

>>77538196
yeah, they're both japanese and dying, only one is deciding to have the fans foot the bill in the last attempt to save themselves.

>>77538291
>losing

>>77537871
yagoo should transition to a female idol

>>77537871
reading comprehension

>>77524577
>I hate hololive because of kayfabe, everyone should be worshiping average joes/plain janes with anime avatars instead
lol lmao even

>>77538129
>That a thread reaches the bump limit means that I win
Go back to r*ddit

>>77537871
Personally I think it's good that I could spend 60 bucks on a really fancy special edition vinyl album or something instead of putting some text on screen for 5 seconds and giving 1/3 of the money to Google

>>77538389
what, am I supposed to interpret yagoo straight up calling the market saturated and saying he doesn’t have any novel ideas bullish?

>>77538396
Holo doesn't even have kayfabe anymore wtf are you talking about. They are average janes except with less edge.

>>77538207
I only like cute and funny vtubers if they're older than the average /vt/ poster so Kanna Yanagi and Amiya Aranha.
>Luna
No, she does not count.

>>77538200
that's such a cope and it shows you're some loser who never goes outside or talks to other people, the concept of the celebrity to the average 18-48 person is completely been replace by homegrown talent on twitch/youtube where in slopan you have laws that straight up ban any criticism towards any celebrity and you are even faced with fines and jail time. it's not even remotely close you weeb faggot

>>77538163
>marine
oh geez how very surprising!!1
Hate ironcunt so much

>>77538470
You completely made that part up though, he just commented on the fact that they're making a larger portion of their revenue from merch and events now (because they have more of those than they used to and they are more popular than pissing away money on superchats)

>>77538599
you have never sat on an earnings call before and it shows.

>>77538477
>They are average janes

>>77538632
What does this have to do with the content of my post? Is this a bot

>>77538514
Luna absolutely counts as cute and funny.

>>77538528
what exactly makes you think fuckers from twitch or youtube aren't fake as fuck?
it is LITERALLY the same shit

>>77538528
NTA but I am well aware of who is popular on Twitch and particularly Kick and it just makes me despair for the future of humanity, it's like a race to see who can be the most vapid and awful human alive while viewers gradually forget that they were cheering on that car crash ironically

>>77538335
>holochad
sorry, I thought it was a falseflag.

>>77538844
>its real because its lower quality and they act like losers
basically

>>77538844
there's not a culture built around them that I must worship/never question what they do and just consoom unlike Cover's "idol" culture

>>77538693
if you don’t even know what an earnings call is that’s an immediate dub for me, better luck next time.

>>77537894
You call them buzzwords because you don't agree with them.
Hololive is stale because everyone copies each other. They play the same games, sing the same songs and make the same jokes. They haven't hired any standout talents since Coco and every new hire is just made from the same mold without any qualities that really sets them apart in a good way.
Hololive became complacent and stopped trying. They don't do anything better than others and they're often late to the trends. Current Hololive is all flash and no substance.

>>77538948
still fake
>>77538949
I don't see any questions from yo ufaggot. Try it dumbass question "what cover and cover's "idol"culture do"
I'm waiting

>>77538910
It was always like that, those morons are the same shit as Big Brother or those types of programs.

>>77538949
You're rebelling against a world that only exists in your own mind.

>>77538910
>moderncucks discover what the ancients knew about human nature the entire time
kek. Better hope that the katakon comes again, anon

>>77538949
You do know cover regularly takes shit from the fans when they do something stupid, right ?

>>77539201
>phasecuck
>knowing

>>77539201
oh yeah, trust me I do. lol

>>77539062
>sing the same songs and make the same jokes.
Are you generalizing here? You haven't listened to holo songs at all.

Wait a minute this thread is just filled with the same people I see arguing whenever someone makes a thread about Marine getting restricted on her new songs or Okayu needing to pay more than she earns to make a MV.
Don't you guys get tired of doing this?

>>77539062
If you repeat it another 50 times before thread dies, it might become true

>>77539256
>vshojofag

>>77539256
She literally said she made a mistake, and cover also let her send a last letter to her fans.
By the way, she's doing pretty well as an indie, better than 99% of other indies in fact, pretty good for a "talentless" holo.

>>77539315
>Marine getting restricted on her new songs or Okayu needing to pay more than she earns to make a MV.

They deserve to be restricted. To be in hololive is a privilege not a right.

>>77539406
now type that without an NDA in your mouth

>>77539552
>corpo so worthless it doesnt need NDA

>>77539062
When the fuck hololive didn't play the same fucking games or sing the same fucking songs???
What were they doing? How the fuck is this a real criticism? Streaming culture is like this in general with fotm games and shit.
>They haven't hired any standout talents since Coco and every new hire is just made from the same mold without any qualities that really sets them apart in a good way.
With this fucking logic they didn't hire standout talents even before coco. Like what the fuck are you talking about? NePoLaBo is great. HoloX maybe a mixed bag but they are great together and still have streaming monster like koyori or weirdos like chloe. Regloss has Raden who brought in a bunch of new people with her art stuff.
This shit is subjective and also not a real criticism.
>Hololive became complacent and stopped trying.
What does this mean exactly? What they were "trying" before that they are not doing now,
>They don't do anything better than others and they're often late to the trends.
When this was not the case?? If anything hololive is making trends.
And no the yare doing a lot of things better than "others" What others we are talking about exactly btw?
>Current Hololive is all flash and no substance.
Low IQ take. You failed to demonstrate that. What you ACTUALLY demonstrated is that you do not even watch hololive and has no idea what kind of content hololive provides

>>77539062
>They haven't hired any standout talents since Coco a...
yes, this is 100% a falseflag from Vshojofags.

>>77540303
Seems like it.
Isn't vshojo itself stale as fuck? They are barely relevant...

>>77540465
Their magnum opus can't get over 31k with every big twitch streamer raiding her

You know what hololive needs? They need to bring Aloe Mel and Coco back.
Now that'll unstale them

>>77539770
>When the fuck hololive didn't play the same fucking games or sing the same fucking songs???
Before the Holocaust. There was actually some fucking variety with their game selections.
>With this fucking logic they didn't hire standout talents even before coco.
All of their most popular talents were hired before 2020. Pekora, Miko, Aqua, Subaru, Marine, Suisei, etc. The newer hires don't hold a candle to any of them.
>What does this mean exactly? What they were "trying" before that they are not doing now,
The Minecraft Sports Festival is a pretty notable example. It was a result of actual brainstorming and hadn't been done before. After the first one they just rehashed it and have done nothing unique since then.
>If anything hololive is making trends.
Such as?
>What others we are talking about exactly btw?
Let's take their latest "big" game events for example. They tried copying RUST, but it fell flat in comparison with the streamer server. Hardcore Minecraft has been done to death before and their Minecraft events in general pale in comparison with the shit Minecraft vtubers pull off yearly.
>You failed to demonstrate that
Their concerts are carried by the flashy light shows and the audience hyping things up. Most Holomems' singing and dancing skills are average at best. They'd get absolutely mogged by the best singers and dancers in the industry.

https://vocaroo.com/14zBqemsuBOB

>>77524577
literally who

>>77524577
phasecucks (her and the comments in the clip) are so eager to shit on holo but as soon as someone shits on phase back its suddenly
>they were falseflagging!
>its nijisisters!
>we like holo!
Their fans want so desperately for them to be the next big thing, which is why im glad theyre runts and will forever be #10 corpo.