/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>77267948
Let me break down OP's argument in finer detail with some (non-chuuba) examples:
>If Shaq does a Activision-Blizz ad and you hate on it, then you clearly hate Basketball
>If Mark Cuban starts a NFT grift and you hate on it, then you clearly hate Capitalism
In case you aren't aware, OP, the brand you attach yourself to IS a valid point for criticism. And honestly, what is this "ideal hologirl" nonsense? Hololive girls are completely different from each other, same as any other streamer. That sort of generalization is as dumb as pretending that brand and company doesn't matter.

>>77268802
Anon, follow the platonic concepts. Yes, not all Hologirls are the same, but when they are all averaged out, they are primarily girl streamers aiming for guy viewers that avoid male collabs and politics. This vague generalization is known as a platonic ideal, which Vivi and Twisty fit perfectly. If it walks like a Holo, and talks like a Holo…

>>77267948
Counterpoint:

>>77267948
what about scarle?

>>77267948
Funny how you listed most vague points, but then needed to negotiate one of them.

>>77267948
>least obvious falseflagging sisturd
why are you harassing the girls in your black company like this?

>>77268918
>Let's "average out" all the hologirls so I can shit on people for not supporting this agglomeration
This has to be a falseflagger. Even sisters aren't this dumb, surely.

>>77269029
Scarle doesn’t get shit on by Hololive fans. I think they understand her platonic status as a Hologirl, they just refuse to do the same for other girls like her.

>>77269431
>her platonic status as a Hologirl
Lol. Nope.

>>77269431
A hologirl is in hololive.
A non-hologirl isn't.
It's that simple. If you don't have the blue dorito, you're not in hololive. How is this so hard to grasp?

>>77268802
This argument is becoming more and more commonplace on /vt/ these days and I hate it.
Being in a good corpo doesnt automatically make you a good vtuber, just like how having "niji" attatched to your name doesnt automatically make you an evil whore like millie or eliera.

What chuubas you like, ignore the ones you hate, and stop worshipping corpo culture.

>>77267948
"Platonic ideal", you say?
>female (biologically)
>have a primarily-male audience
>apprehensive of male collabs, will do all in their power to avoid them
>does not bring gender- or socio-politics up onstream, and discourages it from their chat
Behold! A Hologirl!

>>77269775
Homostars have the blue dorito, and yet fans consider them separate from Hololive. Why? Because they’re men, who pander to women, who collab with other men, and inject politics into their streams. They are the literal antithesis to what a Hologirl is, and thus they aren’t considered part of Hololive, no matter how much the company wants us to think they are.

>>77269909
That whore lets male sperm touch her eggs. It’s like getting an onstream discord notification from a male, basically no different to a male collab.

>>77269901
>just like how having "niji" attatched to your name doesnt automatically make you an evil whore like millie or eliera.
Desu it does. If you aren't evil, why did you join niji?

The only exception I make is Scarle.

>>77270113
Because she’s too dumb to tell good from evil?

>>77270170
because she effectively didnt join niji. she doesnt collab with any of them. she just took the model and streams to her audience.

>>77269963
Are you okay? Like genuinely. Are you on drugs or something right now?

>>77269901
If the supposed GFE chuuba joins the ONLY corpo where female vtubers are just a cocksleeves for male ones, than something with her is not right.

>>77269901
Um, no? I even gave examples in that post. I like Mark Cuban. I'm not going to support him if he joins a NFT grift and starts shilling it.
I don't see how you think refusing to support Nijisanji due to their recent actions is somehow "worshipping corpo culture" when it's the exact opposite (since, you know, Niji is a corpo). Or did this board's schizos infest your mind and make you think that the only reason that someone might hate Nijisanji is because they worship Hololive?

>>77270170
As >>77270263 said Scarle lives in her own world. Her only friend was Nina.

>>77270310
I value who a Vtuber actually is over what society labels them to be. I love Hologirls, and thus girls who share many of the traits of Hologirls are also considered Hologirls in my eyes. There’s no reason to hate Vivi or Twisty if they hit all of the criteria I look for, that criteria being similar to the average Hologirl.

>>77270483
Anon, I don't hate them because of anything they did. We hate them because they're Nijisanji and indirectly caused my oshi to want to kill herself due to the constant abuse and mismanagement.
They are Nijisanji. They deserve no sympathy until they are no longer Nijisanji.

>>77270375
All I'm saying is anons should like or hate a chuuba based off their personality and streams, rather than whatever brand they're attached to.

>>77270623
> They are Nijisanji. They deserve no sympathy until they are no longer Nijisanji.
That’s just a spook instilled into you by society to blind you to your real opinions. In reality, according to the platonic ideals of Hololive, Vivi and Twisty act like Hologirls, therefore they ARE Hologirls. And we love Hologirls, thus we should love them, too.

>>77270737
You're free to do that, but I think I more than explained why others do not follow your philosophy.

>>77270737
Literally anyone else, sure.
Nijisanji nearly killed my oshi, so no. I don't think I will, Any view, superchat, or merch order puts more money in the pocket of the men and women who abused and exploited her.

>>77271236
No anon, Vivi and Twisty did not “almost kill” Selen. Twisty never even met Selen, so I have no clue shy you think she should be punished more than girls like Elira and Enna, who are obviously directly at fault.

>>77267948
>I didn’t say “no male collabs ever”, I said “will do all in their power to avoid them”.
Twisty muted in the middle of her stream today to talk with Aster on his stream. What are you even talking about with this "platonically Hololive" bs? Stop trying to pick a diamond out of a mound of shit.

>>77267948
Next you'll say vshojo represents REAL vtubing and not shitty western e-celeb grift culture.

>>77271493
You have to be fucking joking.
That's near Lia levels of fucking up for a GFE tuber

>>77271343
Congrats on creating an effective bait thread. I almost believed you were genuine for a second.

>>77267948
you're the same retard who keeps propping up the homo bait

>>77270483
>I value my delusions
ok retard

>>77270743
>Holobegging

>>77270743
They will never be Holo.
P e r i o d.

>>77270743
Copycats will never be the real deal. Cope and seethe, Nijiturd.

>>77271528
https://www.youtube.com/live/8bOvJR7GwpY
Around 2:06:00. The reason why these threads get any traction at all is because no one watches these niji girls. Watch one stream and you'll realize the "poor potential hologirl" narrative that they push every new wave is pure fabrication.

>>77271750
>I actually gave her a view to check
Fucking gross.
That said, I'm 100% only giving Vivi the benefit of the doubt because of DuelLogs. I haven't even watched more than like 2 minutes of one stream one time time

>>77271806
>>77271750
how dare the girls in the mixed company speak to their coworkers! do you hear yourself?

>>77271343
NTA, but holy shit dude learn to read.
That anon is saying he refuses to support Nijisanji because it drove his oshi to suicide. It is functionally impossible to watch any Niji member without supporting the company on some level, therefore he refuses to watch anyone in Nijisanji.
It's a very straightforward statement, really. In what fucking universe does any of that imply he thinks Vivi and Twisty "should be punished more than girls like Elira and Enna"?

>>77271572
How was what he said bait? Do you think all of them are literally one single entity who's sole purpose is to ruin doki?

>>77271850
Were you just not here in february? Did you not see the leaked DMs of Aster harassing Scarle? The man's a pest and needs to be removed.

>>77271858
>>77271856

>>77271858
Also:
>Unrelated thread and post
>Randomly pivots to Doki

>>77271856
In that case, why is that anon in a thread deticated to chuubas in a company he despises in the first place?
It has literally nothing to do with her outside of some random anons using her as reaction images.

>>77271750
i dunno if you're pretending to be retarded but aster was streaming at the time, she just wasn't gonna make her chat listen to half of a conversation

>>77267948
>Plato
BEHOLD A LIVER

>>77267948
Didn't they collab with their genmates at least once before who is a male??? Blatant contradiction.

>>77267948
They play shit games so I don't watch them.

>>77267948
Your premise is wrong. Hololive is a brand. It's about association, not adhering to some set of ideals. Someone like Ui would be the closest to being a Holo without being in Hololive because people associate her with them.

>>77273330
It took me months to realize Ui wasn't actually in hololive.

>>77269963
But sadly they are part of Hololive and every time I come to this god forsaken board I'm constantly being reminded of their existence. Like filth I can't scrape off my shoes. I block their channels but Youtube keeps putting them on my recommended through clips, so I have to blacklist clip channels too. No matter how how much I try erasing them off my mind and pretend they don't exist the reality is that they do. This is why trannies 41% themselves don't they? Can't run away from the truth forever.

>>77271493
What was it so important that they couldn't wait to talk it out after the stream is over? This Niji unity is fascinating not gonna lie. They are the only ones like this. They seem to not be able to be away from each other and always have the need to show everyone how close they are the girls and boys. It's disgusting but fascinating.

>>77269431
I just feel bad for Scarle since those leaked DMs with one of the homos talking to her like an abusing boyfriend. There's a dark side to their "unity".

>>77267948
use better promts

>>77269431
I just feel bad for Scarle since those leaked DMs with one of the homos talking to her like an abusive boyfriend. There's a dark side to their "unity".

>>77267948
Mind shoving this up your ass for me OP

>>77274674
she chose to dicksuck aster publicly to damage control. those leaks.
i will never feel sorry for abuse """"victims"""" who defend their abuser
none of this "hurr i have no choice" shit is real

why is scarle not included in this?
she is a ruffian!

>>77267948
>According to the greek philosopher Plato
you really had to go there?

>>77268918
>averaged out
The fuck did I just read. Weren't you talking about qualitative shit NTA btw

>>77274223
she muted and went to scream at him for putting her in his thumbnail and incorrectly placing her on his tierlist.
it was the opposite of flirting, she was sincerely pissed and said shes blocking him

>>77283006
If that's true than why there isn't any thread about it in catalog?

>>77267948
wtf are you talking about nijinigger, take your meds

>>77267948
>will do all in their power to avoid them
why are you lying? https://youtu.be/8bOvJR7GwpY?t=7483
after that I gave up on her

>>77272542
Why should anyone care? This aster faggot harassed scarlet and anyone who wants to be his whore should be dished.

>>77271850
remember vox asmr thing?

>>77272542
she could just have ignored the faggot instead

>>77279973
You can average out subjective qualities. If the majority of people in a corpo share a quality, then that’s a platonic concept, and a few small outliers won’t affect that.

>>77283112
because nobody watches her. check the stream once she comes back or check his stream

>>77283006
>she was sincerely pissed and said shes blocking him
Proof?

>>77285102
feed yourself faggot. all you fuckers do is bait with my cute wife when she just wants to spend time with her fans.
either watch her like shes hololive and hold her to the same standards or let her be a 3 view in peace while she openly interacts with her male coworkers

>>77285102
holy shit its like 10 min of watching with timesteps already spoonfed to you, what's wrong with you

>>77267948
I tried watching vivi because I felt bad for her but she’s just kinda boring. Say what you will about holo atleast everyone there knows to lean into a character or niche, instead of this boring slop that’s also extremely depressing

>>77286750
Her voice is hella sex tho

Honestly, anyone feel like Vivi and Twisty are really feminized?