/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>NijiEN kicks the bucket
2 more weeks sister!!

>>77124873
The current 4 views which ever those are will survive as 3view indies.

>Niji has a final event with all remaining talents willing to say goodbye
>Gura streams over it
>Very few people actually watch or realize NijiEN is over
>NijiJP pretends nothing happened
>Sells NijiJP to Tencent

>>77124873
The complete collapse of Niji EN's Western fanbase hasn't affected Hololive EN whatsoever, but a lot of smaller corpos rose. The top ex-Niji girls Doki and Mint also show that they can very well stand on their own 2 feet as indies.
The others aren't nearly as big enough, those are just some large exceptions, but the remaining organs might very well join smaller corpos and thrive there. The ones that are directly linked to that black screen stream and Niji's mismanagement overall - that's Elira - will have a very successful career flipping burgers.
The small fanbase that's left will most likely move on to smaller corpos.

>>77124873
>C&D
>NDA expired

>Elira, Enna, and Millie find a long and bright future in retail or cleaning toilets.
>Vivi, Rose, and some random Apex dude redebut as part of Dokicorp's 1st gen as it.
>Vox moves to china, finds work as male stripper
>Nijisisters quit vtubing in protest or straight up an hero.
> Most remaining nijiEN fans find hololive too much of a culture shock, disperse evenly across competitors.

>>77125645 (me)
>as it
Lmao.
*As the tomato tries building her own little empire.

>>77124873
>Assuming Anycolor's Q4 is as terrible as everyone expects and NijiEN kicks the bucket, how do you see it playing out?
A merger at best. Despite our best hopes Anycolor literally cannot completely get rid of the EN branch in one fell swoop without risking the entire company going under, due to promises of foreign expansion.
>Which ex-livers will find a way forward, and which ones will need to flip burgers?
I'd imagine a good chunk of them will be fine, but the confirmed badguys AKA the only names in the black stream are basically never going to get picked up or find a meaningful fanbase outside of Nijisanji as an indie.
>And what outside players stand the most to gain?
Everyone.
>Will Hololive assert total dominance, or will a mixture of small corpos and large indies occupy the vacuum NijiEN leaves behind?
No fucking idea, Phase is apparently growing despite it's leader being a kiwifarmer which I figured would put a hard cap on their growth. For all we know there'll be a new company debuting next month that'll get a 15k CCV average for their least popular member.

>>77124873
I suspect the Q4 report will hit expectations, but barely. I've only seen the EN side of things, but they seem to have pushed as many bullshit events and old merch out as possible. Couple that with whatever book cooking and asset offsetting you can do in Japan, I reckon they'll just scrape over the line. It's an unsustainable business model, however. Unless they turn it around somehow (they won't) it'll all be downhill.

Elira joins fansly to best use her two remaining assets, gets mogged by Sayu's thigh pics

>>77126010
most realistically the odds are 70/30; 70 percent the Q4 Fails as expected, 30 percent Niji somehow against all odds manages to make it barely as you said.

It will be like the death of MCNs during 2010s era YouTube, giving the medium back to the independents and not the corporations. Hololive will be an anomaly, but they’re largely isolated at this point and the broader vtuber community has diverged from them greatly, so like Nintendo and Sony in the game industry.

>>77125163
>Not even 400 characters
Are NDF getting lazier and lazier by each passing day?

>>77126247
They are really demoralized now.
>Anycolor never bounced back.
>Dokibird thriving as a 4view even w/o her "dramabuff"
>Nyfco shut down, Niji nuked its own reddit, nowhere to safely bitch about antis who dare speak ill of miload.
> Mint and Matara do not in fact hate Doki
>Many grudgingly admit that Niji lost the war

>>77126247
They're already accept that no matter how hard they try, it's futile. You could say that their effort are ultimately... negligible.

>>77126554
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>>77124873
>>77125163
please use smaller words for rosebuds, OP.

>>77127018
(OP) I don't speak toddler.

>>77124873
I think it’s more likely that we see a merger with the JP branch, albeit with mass graduations, as we saw with NijiID and KR. Any impact on Hololive will be so dispersed as to be not relevant, but smaller corps will take advantage of the vacuum, as they already are doing. Elira’s career is over, and she will stay with Nijisanji for as long as she can, because there’s no way she doesn’t realize this.

>>77125645
>Vox works as a male stripper
Anon the dude is a fatso manlet. Who tf hires a little dude with a bouncing belly as a stripper? Even ugly chinks have their standard higher than that. Lmao

>>77126619
>Acts like 4k is bad
>Livers are 3view shitter
>Entire Luxiem collab in Nijisis hours can't get 5view
Nijisis last defense is nuking the fact it's June and thinking it's Febraury.

>>77127577
The foodbank diet and day labor gigs will get him into shape.

>>77124873
What I think will happen:
>targets not quite reached
>but all those merch drops and 3Ds bring them close enough to claim margin of error
>stock price bounces off the value drop limiter yet again as shareholders don't buy it
>a witchhunt will start in EN
>the real culprits will be still untouchable so a scapegoat will be found
>first termination about a week or so after Q4 release
>with yet another Zaion-esque bullet point list
>may be followed by another one 2 to 4 weeks after
>at the same time a witchhunt for content creators covering NijiEN drama
>still no merger(as much as at least 5 ENs would wish for it)
>still no branch closure(as much as most anons would wish for it, whether to spite the bad ones or save the good ones)
With how low yen is to dollar right now merging the branches would make them THE first stock to drop for literally every shareholder save for maybe Sony. They simply need the illusion of relevance in the west. That's the reason for the NBA thing, they wanted to be seen doing something, and I can guarantee you they're working their asses off hoping to announce at least one more western thing to put in the slides. If anything I could see them promising more debuts "soon", maybe English VTA even.

>>77125645
>>Elira, Enna, and Millie find a long and bright future in retail or cleaning toilets.
What if they were employed AS public toilets?

>>77126554
>Nyfco shut down
See that's the funny thing, a lot of the Niji antis used that place too.

>>77128981
Now that's a thought

>>77124873
Yah man, they will definitely close down the branch a week after a new debut and with concerts scheduled for next month.

>>77125061
>be sister
>try to call others sisters
>ignore reality
What is this mental illness?

>>77127577
What was God thinking attaching that voice to a "fatso manlet"?

Damn, no one here believes Elira, Millie or Enna can recover?

>>77131637
Elira lost just today another 1k subscribers, and it's been three and a half months since the black screen.
Her career is dead as a doornail.

>>77131637
Enna is building a fanbase that will forgive her anything, and Millie is arguably the least affected Hanamori besides Claude.
On the other hand Elira is irrecoverably fucked.

>>77131637
Millie is such a bootlicker without any shame that she will crawl so deep in whatever's ass she finds until she's "safe".
Enna cultivated a special fanbase... >pic related
Elira is fucked.

You people are so drama starved. You're gonna be here 3 years from now talking about how close NijiEN is to collapsing. I almost feel sorry for you

Elira, if you or one of your clique members is reading this, the good news is that there is a big gaijin niche in JAV porn.

>>77132014
>On the other hand Elira is irrecoverably fucked
NotSoDeadpool is in Doki's chat gifting subs right now btw.

>>77131885
>>77132014
>>77132244
I'm sure if Elira goes indie she'll try to do something to paint herself not evil.

AIEEEEEEEEE RIKU-SAMA SEND ME SOME BOTS PLS

>>77125061
nijinigger calling other sisters didn't stop NijiEN's downfall.
cope more.

>>77132261
You are right, now that Dokibird's future is secure and she's doing better than ever financially and mentally, we are kinda bored. So going back and beating up the place that made her and so many others suffer is always fun.

>3 years from now talking about how close NijiEN is to collapsing

I don't know for sure if NijiEN is going to fold, but I do know for sure that NijiEN is already a shadow of its old self.

>>77131885
>>77132382
>he thinks unsub bots matter

>>77132564
Ah yes. The secret unsub bots that those damn dragoons developed in secret labs across the globe to hack into dead youtube accounts and make them unsub from Niji livers.

I heard the newest models can even temporarily bend spacetime and isolate a percentage of active viewers into temporary pocket dimensions that prevent them from contributing to the CCV count.

Those Dragoons sure are organized and powerful.

>>77132991
those are holokeks masqueradinga as dookiegoons

>>77132991
There are ways to "wake up" a youtube account temporarily by submitting a ticket, and it will auto unsub from channels if the account has been dead for long enough. You could do this with Gura's subs and she'd lose 20k quick.

>>77132363
>NotSoDeadpool
who? qrd??

>>77133866
Elira's former regular, she dropped her after the black stream.

>>77125061
literally 2 more weeks.
June 14-15 is Q4 and yearly earnings release. It's going to be glorious.
The MLB collab with cover gave AC a small bump too, but can they get below 2k on their stock before the report?

>>77133974
Watch as Q4 hits the profit ceiling and the stock skyrockets.

>>77133955
ohhh kek, even her most loyal paypigs are finally waking up from Elira's Tsukuyomi eh

>>77133955
But Doki's content is nothing like Elira's? Completely 100% unrelated with no crossover. Do these faggots just use the streamers as some kind of emotional proxy or vicarious living with zero interest in the actual content?

>>77129342
>it was Anycolor that shutdown the site

>>77133955
>Her
how do you know its a her? I just assumed most paypigs for female livers were men.

>>77134349
It is, I mistyped.

>>77128690
Honestly I don't think we can predict their angle at this point in time outside of the stock crashing. (Though I think it's 70/30 if they make it desu, though I'm being optimistic for them)
I don't think they'll be able to do a witch hunt, or not be able to if they wish to. Another Termination I think will all but guarantee they'll stick to downward trends. Though if we're on the topic witch hunts, going after CCs that covered the drama would absolutely backfire. They tried that with False a year or two ago and that failed, now imagine they go after someone like Critikal or Asmon. If they got the CCs outside the sphere to start talking about it again it'd be akin to them opening up the Raziel/Luca drama well again but tenfold. If they're smart they don't try and antagonize the grifters/CCs, unless they wish to be charitable and give them blank checks.
As for the merger, I think it could happen with a rebranding. Though who knows, that's where things get murky on what happens.

>>77134242
I was a fan of Elira before that damn stream, too. I'd imagine that at that point he had to accept that Elira was the kind of person who'd put out that horrific fucking stream. Elira lost quite a few paypigs that day.

>>77134463
In all fairness, Dokibird likely has a decent amount of female fans too. Probably a mixture of IRL gamergirls and disgusted ex-nijisisters.

>>77134630
But the content of Elira and Doki is nothing alike. Elira plays different type of games, has a different type of vibe and different type of tangents. I can understand if he want to someone like Ina for the comfy or Kiara for the JRPGs and scuffed gaming skills, but Doki? Doki should be scoring zero on the list of things he likes.

>>77134874
It really doesn't matter what Doki does since his issue was with Elira being capable of harassing a suicidal abuse victim who's spent the past 3 years of their life dedicated to supporting and elevating her coworkers.
That said, is it really that crazy to imagine people wanting different streamers for different vibes? My favorite vtubers are doki, sayu, fuwamoco, and Bettel, and none of them have anything in common in terms of streaming style or game choices.

>>77134874
People can like different streamers for different reasons anons. Mint is my absolute kami oshi but lately I've been watching Fauna play Witcher and it is fun despite being something Mint wouldn't play.

>>77135198
My issue isn't with him dropping Elira, but going for someone with completely unrelated content. I get why he dropped her.
>That said, is it really that crazy to imagine people wanting different streamers for different vibes?
In general no, but unless you're dealing with ARS or an oil baron you save these type of drops for your kamioshi.

>>77134099
Now that's grade S copium

>>77130627
I mean, have you seen what Jon Bailey looks like?

>>77135433
>In general no, but unless you're dealing with ARS or an oil baron you save these type of drops for your kamioshi.
Unfortunately, the shit she did was kind of a horrific shock to a lot of us. I have a hard time listening to her voice now without thinking of those crocodile tears combined with Doki's panic attack stuttering. Watching them both at the same time is something that's going to stick with me any time I think about Nijisanji forever.

>>77133600
The other day I "woke up" an account I hadn't used in 4 years and it didn't unsubscribe me from anything.
So how the fuck is that supposed to work?

Believe in Wiwa, she is a good person. I understand your doubts, but believe in Wiwa.

>>77134242
Do you know what empathy is anon?
Here's some news for you, most viewers don't watch stream for entertainment alone, they also feel a sense of camaraderie, a parasocial relationship if you will, towards the streamers.
No one wants to empathize with assholes and sociopath.

>>77136683
No.

>>77136683
I'll believe in her once she gives me an actual good excuse for why the fuck that stream happened and at bare minimum apologizes to Doki and doki's fans for it.

>>77133600
How come it never happened with other graduated chuubas then?
You can check Coco's and Sana's, heck even the dumb and dumber duo's

>>77136896
That shit will be NDA'd for years.

>>77136896
Never mind that, I wanna hear the reasoning behind her many, many sponsorships and events despite being a middle tier organ at best.

>>77136961
>NDA
The acronym you're looking for is NDC, sister.

>>77137014
Not that I'm running defense on Wiwa, but considering the absurd amount of merch Finana got (which was something like >20% more than Pomu), I assume it's more about management punishing talents that caused problems (like Selen and Pomu with their ambitious projects), rather than Wiwa stealing opportunities.

>>77132564
Does anyone here really believe unsub bots exist?, like, the thought process just can't work.
How do you make bots that somehow make channels unsubscribe from someone else's channel?, also we don't have chinese hackers or anything against Nijisanji so it definitely isn't some weird automated spam or weird channel-hijacking system.
It just can't work.
People are just dipping from the Nijis, they are not worth their time anymore.

>>77137521
This argument falls apart sometime in early 2023, when Luxiem members openly mocked Anycolor's reasoning for canceling their AR concert.

>>77137584
>Does anyone here really believe unsub bots exist?
I assume not, but I can't distinguish sarcasm from genuine retardation on this board anymore.

>>77137809
Not really. Luxiem were untouchable and they knew it

>>77137809
>Luxiem
Literally different when they do it. Luca can murder a shareholder and Riku would hide the body.

>>77124873
>Assuming Anycolor's Q4 is as terrible as everyone expects
will definitely happen
>and NijiEN kicks the bucket,
will probably not happen
>how do you see it playing out?
The Q4 was going to be terrible before the selen shock, now it'll be even worse but they will also use that as an excuse to write off their own incompetence by saying that an unexpected rise in anti behaviour that came from their totally justified attempt to destroy selen caused them to fail this quarter.
they will cite lack of profits as a reason to cut back on unnecessary expenses such as concerts, new outfits, 3D shit and staff salaries. they'll say that merch and voice packs continue to be their biggest money makers so they'll triple down on those, expect waves of cheap plastic tat and monthly voice packs authored by chatGPT and recorded in one take
these steps will surely make anycolor a million billion in profits by next year and will prove riku is super good at his job
>Which ex-livers will find a way forward, and which ones will need to flip burgers?
A twitch indie i watch has said that they make slightly more than working at walmart, they're recently partnered and generally get between 100-200 ccv, based off of that i assume that anyone still averaging 1 finanna will be fine, anyone lower than that will be looking to extricate themselves as fast as their suffocating contracts will allow
>And what outside players stand the most to gain?
phase and vshojo are already reaping the benefits of anycolors demise, if idol stops the bleeding it can also turn it's fortunes around, maybe a few other corpos as well, all they really have to do is promote themselves as not being insanely greedy and evil
>Will Hololive assert total dominance, or will a mixture of small corpos and large indies occupy the vacuum NijiEN leaves behind?
hololive is already dominant but it didn't get to where it is over night, they'd been building up slowly and had already established their path when the double boom of covid and myth's debut had them blow up internationally. i want to say that there will eventually a worthy competitor for covers current state but as it would require insane amounts of dedication and capital to burn it's unlikely anyone will try - for most corpos it will probably be far more profitable to stay small-medium and not try to muscle in on covers territory

>>77137521
It absolutely makes sense for them punishing Selen for forcing them to do their jobs and complaining openly about them for 3 years, but I can't imagine why Pomu would be punished. She's an absolute doormat and completely yabless

>>77137910
>>77137978
Right, so it's less "management" punishing rebellious members and more rewarding clique members.
And by management of course I mean Elira herself

>>77136767
I do. my favorite podcaster is a giga racist. nijiCN is simply not entertaining

>>77137584
logically it's a joke bruh

>>77136767
>No one wants to empathize with assholes and sociopath.
Except aloupeeps.

>>77138180
Congrats on being the minority then.

>>77138242
Aloupeeps by their own admission are cucks, they love to be treated like shit by thier oshi

>>77131637
>>77131885
>>77132014
>>77132244
>>77132381
The only ways Elira even has a chance at restoring even a fraction of her reputation, would be to either
1. Fully come clean to everything she's done (as Nova, the clique, the bullying, favoritism, the management if that's true, the Black Stream, etc...) without lying or shifting the blame and make it clear to all of us that she knows she's a terrible person and wants to do better. Of course she'll take another big hit, but it'd be far more recoverable since she'd come forward with everything rather than going the Miniladd route of not addressing anything and coming across as very insincere and uncaring about what she's done.
And/or 2. Apologize both privately and publicly. Publicly to the fans and greater community, and privately to Doki and anyone else she's wronged. Really, the only way she could be given a clear would be if Doki forgives her
Enna and Millie might slip by less affected than Elira, but only if whatever their involvement in the bullying was never gets out

>>77138131
>Song perms
>Perpetually bugging them about the 3D
>requests to use the 3D studio
>probably kept bugging them about con appearances and events
I'm absolutely sure 4 happened considering how many appearances Mint has had. Considering even Reimu was bugged about 1 you can bet Pomu was lighting as much fire under their ass as she could. You can tell by the way she spoke that she was trying to push for things behind the scene, even if her ambition never matched Selen's. As for the doormat accusations - same went against Selen, they were all doormats until they couldn't take it anymore.

>>77138507
Yeah, that's fair. Ugh, I hate that company. It was supposed to support and boost them higher than they could ever be on their own, and instead all it did was give them a floor, but also an incredibly small ceiling to grow into.

>>77131637
>elira elopes to nijien with pomu
>lazu and obsydia debut and all is well
>etheria shows up
>enna and millie somehow slip in
>nepo hires start flooding through the gates with the old clique
>fast forward to present
>elira trapped in the middle of a swarm of stalkers who have basically forced her to commit career suicide via management + vox coarsion black screen stream
>cant speak out about it because the clique knows where she lives
>is also the most likely scapegoat they will throw under the bus after the Q4 shtick

>>77138745
The fact that Doki is getting more sponsorships and more merch then she did in Nijisanji, while Mint has more appearances then she did in Niji is both hilarious and harrowing.

>>77138923
Nice try elirafag.
She herself made the bed of thorn, she has to lie on it now

>>77139040
Never been peer preasured into anything in your life?

>>77124873
Q4 report will look fine

>>77139073
>peer pressured into getting the most sponsorships
roru
rumao

>>77139132
>only one in the first wave that speaks japanese
>company and management decides to use you as the face of the company and then print merch for you
>even if you try to decline it, they go through with it without your imput

>>77139208
So Elira is not only an evil, mean bitch but also a spineless coward that can't even stand up for herself?
Talk about pathetic.
Even Vivi has more cajones than her.

>>77139359
Shes quite spineless, yes. Have you not watched her?
Millie and especially Enna are the evil ones, also that fag Uki probably, the rest of the clique are just orbiters
Sadly they all circle Elira like a swarm of sharks

>>77138923
>is also the most likely scapegoat
If they try it, I expect them to fuck it up royally

>>77139482
You can inhale as much as copium as you want anon, but please stop babying her.
If she's THIS pathetic then what does that say about you, the one defending her honour in this mongolian throat-singing forum?

>>77139208
Both Rose and Petra are fluent, aren't they?

>>77139482
Anon, I don't think Elira will appreciate you trying to throw Enna and Millie under the bus for her benefit.
>>77139359
I don't believe Elira is evil, but she's no Superman.

>>77128690
>>but all those merch drops and 3Ds bring them close enough to claim margin of error
I doubt all of those things will net them $80 million which is what they need to at least break even in their forcast and even then just breaking even wont cut it for them since the whole year has been a shitshow so they need to massively overperform if they dont want riku to trim the fat even more

>>77139557
It is nijien so yes, that is also most likely what would happen
>>77139621
First wave anon. Yes theyre the same hiring group but it would make company rook bad to promote the second wave over the first
As for the fluency, petra is fluent and rose is semi-fluent, she could get by in tokyo but business meetings would be awkward probably
>>77139620
She is probably the one that has been effected by this whole bullshit the most outside of doki herself. roachmom was hinting at a female liver that is basically trapped and also suicidal who cant escape from the clutches from the company and its likely to be elira

>>77139771
>$80 million
Wasn't it $10 million?

>>77139841
Like I said, she made the bed.
No one's blaming her before she made that vindictive stream.

>>77139841
>roachmom was hinting at a female liver that is basically trapped and also suicidal who cant escape from the clutches from the company
When and where?

>>77139841
As someone who did enjoy Elira's streams, it'd be nice if that were the case and everyone somehow ends up happy, but I'm getting more and more jaded each day that it's left alone.

>>77139944
>>76603670

>>77139936
She was in japan at the time of that black screen stream. Management likely almost literally had a gun to her head

>>77139865
nah they needed somewhere around 8-10 billion yen to reach their target estimate

>>77140009
Right, so by staying in the company that literally threatened and blackmailed her, all the blame lies on her.
You can only defend a battered wife reasoning for so much before you gotta admit that they're more than likely enjoying the situation.

>>77140006
She was vulnerable during the whole period too due to her family member being diagnosed. So its extra shitty when shes being treated as public enemy #1 by dramamonkeys who just wanna hate people because its free to do so, like this guy is >>77140211

>>77139841
>roachmom was hinting at a female liver that is basically trapped and also suicidal who cant escape from the clutches from the company
thats literally a ton of livers that fits the description more than elira especially when elira gets a ton more merch and sponsors than anybody else

>>77139621
Neither of them is in the first wave, and there is a very high chance that they're both in the graduation queue. The only way either of them gets promoted to "face of the EN branch" is if Elira and Finana and all of Luxiem leave first.

>>77140180
Anon, you're off by a factor of ten.
Assuming 1 dollar is 100 yen, they need $10 million, not $80 million.

>>77125422
How has Mysterio been doing in VShojo? He was the top dog in the whole branch in terms of live viewership.

>>77140381
Ah yes because getting merch forced into your hands is how you prevent suicidal thoughts

>>77140291
Sure, but someone being vulnerable hasn't exactly stopped Nijisanji or its brainwashed sisters from harassing and attacking others. Sayu was depressed from her cat dying, being doxxed, and losing her job as well as potentially her future career, and the sisters responded by doubling down on harassment to this day.
Doki was suicidal and depressed by the constant workplace abuse and the company responded by terminating her and trying to smear her like zaion, with the sisters continuing to dig as hard as they can to smear her, and just making shit up when they can't find anything.

>>77140291
Nah, I just hate evil people like Elira and her cronies.

>>77124873
If Elira leaves, she will either respawn on Bilibili and abandon the west altogether, or completely retire. That's assuming, of course, that she doesn't just get promoted to being a full time manager.

>>77140009
>>76603670
I can see how one can read that like Elira. If we are reading this as a gospel (instead of dismissing it) I guess the only thing we could do is hope that whoever that talent is (Elira or not), in her desperation she tries to quit and go indie, instead of doing something drastic.
That being said, I don't know how credible that statement is.

>>77140409
Anon your the one thats off a factor
10 billion yen is 60 million dollars

>>77140515
Her goal is to become Riku's mistress.

>>77140527
Fair, i dont watch nu-nina since i never watched old-nina so i cant confirm if this was actually said at all. But it does check out with how it seems Elira has been feeling since Pomu's grad

>>77140473
Poor little elira being forced to have merch
What a retarded cope

>>77125768
Phase is growing in spite of Pippa because people are watching the other girls who are genuinely good, yes.

>>77140651
>elira we want more voice lines for this pack
>but what about liver #17, shes gotten like 12 less than me since her debut
>no we want you for this one
>but
>no questions

>>77140644
>so i cant confirm if this was actually said at all
protip: it wasnt
the only thing nina said remotely close is that she is still in contact with some people in niji

>>77138426
Someone mentioned that she also could pull something from Wrestling and behind-the-scenes make up with Doki and then redebuts with a Black Hole inspired desing (Because, superNOVA, lol, also because Kaneko Lumi capitalized with a Star design for 2 years while Nova dissapeared so it's going to be hard to compete with the same gimmick when you nuked everything about it earlier) then NOVA could have a "Heel and Face" dynamic with Doki because fuck it, you might as well make people LOVE to HATE you in the way that actually makes bucks and even gets you fans for being contrarian and a challenge to the face of the show but all in events and maybe collabs. Make if feel like a rivalry, I swear to God no one has tried to actually have an actual VTuber rival dynamic, that would sell but not a pair has been qualified for it at all.
It's never going to happen, It really feels like Elira has decided to sink with the ship.
And even then, she would need to make ammends with everyone (including Doki and maybe Mint) and betray everyone who stayed behind or who are yet to get out and will receive part of the fallout from not managing to leave earlier.
I dreamed too much, back to reality.

>>77140644
Could also be Aia, considering how she was spiraling in her PL.

>>77140722
This line of reasoning entirely hinges on the assumption that Elira is inherently a good person, which is contradicted by her own action pre and post joining niji.

>>77140751
But what would aia have to feel guilty over? Also, as a scape goat, her not being in the center or even the fringes of the issue doesnt line her up with that paragraph

>>77140722
Ah yes Elira the bastion of equality and the rights of the livers
Someone who respects other livers rights so much that she never did shit when her co-workers were getting bullied and was even in the frontlines defending her company
Not to mention that she has had a history of bullying people even before nijisanji

>>77140751
Not just Aia but Kotoka, Maria and even the new girls from TTT as well have been spiraling in her PL
Thats not even mentioning what happened to Ren last year in his PL

>>77140739
>Currently viewed as evil or incompetent at the very least
>Does a heel persona in wrestletuber event
>????
>Profit

>>77140414
Decent subscriber count, but lost influence in the ex-Niji fanbase after he tweeted a denunciation of people mocking Niji's AR Live.

He is doing a good job getting Michi (Mika) onboarded with vshojo though.

>>77140991
Didn't know about Maria.

>>76603670
If this isn't fanfiction it reads a solid case for Rosemi.
Why's it deleted though?

>>77140739
>>77141019
>implying that will not give Elira X-pac or go away heat instead of the usual heat

>>77141019
Would be more believable than U-san.
https://youtu.be/Bm36Z4yWRkc?si=Mpf1oIrXGHaJGyYn

>>77130520
Being a sister lol

>>77141089
Mika has always been buddy-buddy with vshojo though? Even more so than Mysta.

>>77140991
>Kotoka

I hope that snake never graduates until Nijisanji closes. And then I hope her retail job gets automated.

>>77141120
Because its a post from like a week and a half ago?

>>77141164
I don't think go away heat works on vtuber though, people would simply stop showing up on her stream unlike with wrestling what's with all their paid event.

>>77138923
They are most likely to throw Enna and Millie and maybe Kotoka first than Elira.
Elira has to stay to keep getting dunked on, otherwise all the unnorganized efforts will get redirected to another Niji like Vox or some other not-so-guilty Niji girl.
Elira is the face of NijiEN gen 1.
It would be like losing Gura or Mori, or maybe Watson.
Or worst yet, like losing Sora.
Or in Niji terms, like losing Vox.
The respective branch would fully implode.
International expansion dead in the water.
Company will get absorbed or bought by some other conglomerate soon only to limp and get dissolved in less than 5 years while the company picks the actual clean or succesful members into their own VTuber project which could tank or not depending on the interest that might or not exist at that moment.

>>77125645
>finds work as male stripper
Dude is built like a 16year old.

>>77141346
>I don't think go away heat works on vtuber though
It unironically does and it results in getting hard doxed which is why nousagi had to "quit" and wait a few months until he moved to a boarding house near his school after people spammed the street where he lived in

>>77128981
>Millle, please, 4 provinces over. I can make you the single mother you were meant to be.

>>77141265
Ah, I'm an idiot who didn't realize it was from an entirely different thread because of my plugins.

>>77141553
>>77141553
No worries then bud

>>77141434
You're glazing Elira's cock way too much anon.
She's only important because she's the head of the clique, not some figurehead or icon like Sora or Gura

>>77124873
Cool circle jerk thread, faggots. Nijisanji will survive as usual. Tell me why Cover didn't report on how well HoloEN did in their report

>>77141606
NTA but what if the clique is using her as a figurehead but not actually including her in the clique to deflect critisism to themselves

>>77141750
>what if the clique is using her as a figurehead
>not actually including her in the clique
Anon, meds.

>>77141750
In that case they don't need to put her in so much merch runs and sponsorship.
I put Sora as an example there for a reason.

>>77141736
Welcome to holoboard sister, this ain't your doxxsite.

>>77140722
Lol she's not even that popular, she just speaks more nihongo then the others. Which lead to the management rrat in the first place. No managers so emails go to Elira. Reads email, naruhodo. "I need 2 people to do this sponsored deal with 'me'".

>>77139557
God if they do try to witch hunt Elira of all people that'd be the worst decision they can make right now. If we're assuming she's this vindictive bitch that leads the Hanamori clique that are loyal to her, They'd have to worry about at least 4 talents that may not be happy (Enna, Millie, Shu, Claude) and who knows who else is /in/. Not to mention she would very likely have some dirt that'd make One Girl's Story a pamphlet with the amount of yabs it'd have.
She can be fired, sure. But that's inviting too much risk if you don't do anything else. It'd have to be a total tear-down of the system with nearly every-one involved in decisions getting the boot, Tazumi included, to give the company a *chance* to do something in the west. Elira will be there to witness EN's fall, whether it be in the same grave, or putting them in one.

>>77140722
LOL
LMAO EVEN

>>77142110
Certainly not their first bad decision nor the worse.
Elira's got in way over her head, she thinks managing a bonafide corpo is the same as managing a circle of friends.

>>77142356
>>77142079
>people still believe shes a manager
Girl streams too long for that to be the case

>>77142110
>Not to mention she would very likely have some dirt that'd make One Girl's Story a pamphlet with the amount of yabs it'd have.
If anything with Elira's current reputation after the black stream any type of attempt like that from her will just result in people saying that she's throwing everyone else under the bus just like how she threw doki under the bus with the black stream

>>77125422
>that's Elira - will have a very successful career flipping burgers.
Mate, even fast food rat nests have standards. The only job Elira will probably have any luck with once NijiEN implodes is street walking.

>>77142485
She's not THE manager, she's a manager.
Literally all comms passed thru her and/or her crony, that's why she could reward herself and other clique members with sponsorships.

I wonder if rebranding the whole thing as NijiGlobal could work? Basically throw everyone from EN and whatever's leftover from the ID and KR branches to one group. Doing so accomplishes a few things
>gets rid of the toxic NijiEN brand without making it look like you're giving up on global expansion
>Puts in a few more bodies into the branch without having to debut anyone
>Helps with their KPIs since the exKR's are actually doing way better than the recent NijiEN debuts.
It's not gonna solve the main problem since Elira and the clique are still there but it could be a good bandaid to somewhat cover the bleeding?

>>77142736
Its more believable that Petra is the manager with how little she streams and the fact that she moved to japan

>>77142751
>NijiIN 2.0
There goes your beachhead into the global market

>>77142552
Anon her current reputation is that she's in bed with management to some degree, if anything that'd give anything she says credence. It's like a rat ratting out his mafia buddy.

>>77142797
Anon, we know for a fact that Elira is the admin of the secret vent discord channel.
And the one thing about power hungry people are they tend to be controlling in every other aspects too.

>>77142824
Eh, NijiIN was kind of a non-starter so I don't think the comparison is valid. Again, what I'm proposing isn't a cure but rather a pain reliever that could buy them a bit of time to sort shit out.

>>77142978
>we know for a fact
Riiiiiight

>>77143046
I'm talking about the botched rebrand of NijiIN into NijiEN.

>>77142751
Split the branch into NijisanjiEN (where you put LazuLight, Obsydia and Ethyria), ANYCOLOR Luxiem (where you dump every male) and ANYCOLOR [whatever] (which consist of Aia, Scarle, Maria, maybe Rosemi, and the new girls if they are 100% sure her reputation is non-problematic, maybe debut 3 new girls as well), fold Moloco into NijiJP.

>>77143081
Ah you're THAT sister, huh.
Carry on then.

>>77142751
>I wonder if rebranding the whole thing as NijiGlobal could work? Basically throw everyone from EN and whatever's leftover from the ID and KR branches to one group. Doing so accomplishes a few things
Nope mainly because
>ID is basically dead with Etna being more active in her old rm account since 3 months ago, Derem and Nagisa being part time vtubers and are doing less vtubing, Layla being more and more depressed due to family problems which means all off them are probably on the way out after q4
>KR being attached to the hip and integrated with JP already

>>77143190
Sisters dont defend elira, they defend enna
Id like to see enna thrown under the bus but that would let her get away with claiming victim points and i want her to suffer more

>>77143253
They defend all clique members anon, the fuck are you smoking?

>>77142673
It would be funny if she and Sayu wound up at the same strip club street corner etc.

>>77143289
First ive heard of it but i dont really look for catelog threads so i guess im outa touch

>>77142356
Oh certainly, but something is gonna happen in EN. It might not be after Q4, maybe after the Shareholders meeting in July.
The worrying thing is what, their influence may have waned but NijiEN's fate could destroy the company, especially if the Q4 report is as bad as we're thinking. And while Cover isn't that reliant on stocks like Anycolor, it would absolutely cause a butterfly effect if investors leave the industry all together.
As for everywhere else, who knows. If everyone is kicked, I expect a rush to hire some of the more "clean" female talents like Rosemi, Petra, and Scarle. Outside of those 3, the rest are unknown due to various reasons. The Males would most likely all go indie, unless other corps try to do a Male branch but it's doubtful. Though I wouldn't be surprised if one of them managed to get in StarsEN.

>>77142860
>Anon her current reputation is that she's in bed with management to some degree
Nah her current reputation is that she is management and has thrown people under the bus for her own benefit before and it will look that way if she does it especially if she makes it look like she was a victim as well.

>>77142978
I don't think the discord server is malicious, it obviously started in order to facilitate communication between talents. Fucking amazing that Nijisanji didn't have proper communication channels.

>>77143221
So skip ID and drag the KRs whether they like it or not? The KRs are definitely not gonna like it but Anycolor isn't exactly known for listening to their peons anyway.

>>77143411
I think you've overdosed on rrats. Very few people buy the gurrat.
>>77143399
They have some collab with some cafe in September, Riku isn't axing the branch.

>>77142751
Nijisanji is the toxic brand, not just NijiEN. Literally nobody is going to be fooled by a "rebrand" that is still pushing the same faces.

>>77143440
It doesn't have to be, but it shows that Elira has some kind of authority to be able to make that kind of secret channel.

>>77143455
>The KRs are definitely not gonna like it but Anycolor isn't exactly known for listening to their peons anyway.
your problem is that some of the KR have integrated themselves into the people anycolor listens which is their jp clique and if theres one thing anycolor treads carefully on its angering the jp cliques

>>77143531
>Riku isn't axing the branch.
Not this year, no.
But come this year Q1 report he'll be very tempted to do so.

>>77143553
Not really? I can always make a discord and get my buddies in, I don't need a loicense for that. Especially considering no one else in LazuLight or Obsydia would be interested in maintaining a discord server.

Only 8 days of market trading before the Q4 report drops, including June 12 (the day the report drops)
How long the EN branch lasts largely depends on how bad the report is. Worst case scenario for them would be the report itself announcing the branch's immediate closure/merger; the odds of the report being that disastrous is very small, but not zero.

>>77143531
>I think you've overdosed on rrats. Very few people buy the gurrat.
if anything you are the one thats downplaying her reputation
its not even related to the gurrat but to the black stream itself since the mainstream vtuber audience sees her, vox and ike as people who tried to throw selen under the bus
hell just looking around youtube, facebook, redddit etc youd see more people believing in them doing it for their own benefit rather than being forced by the company

>>77143399
>one of them managed to get in StarsEN.
Oh God, this is actually one of my biggest fears assumiing shit really does hit the fan. It's clear that the scouting team for Hololive and Homostars are different (no way the scout that hired Advent were the same ones that hired the groomer and the red pagpag eater). If NijiEN kicks the bucket, there may actually be a 50% chance that someone like Luca gets hired by HomoEN management...

>>77143728
Anon, the big thing about that secret discord channel is how they're able to use their corpo name to vent about whatever.
You'd understand this as a brand risk and a big no no if you know even a tiny bit about brand management.

>>77143847
>it would be luca too
LMAO

>>77143531
>They have some collab with some cafe in September, Riku isn't axing the branch.
Thats not really reassuring especially when the same thing happened with nijiid in the past prior to the branch being axed and merged even though they were having auditions for wave 7

>>77143847
>Cover the most risk averse company
>Hiring someone with a ton of massive public drama like ex nijien
literal kek

>>77143903
That's more a reflection of how low I think of Stars management. As someone who actually liked some of them pre-Tempus, I really wish that Shinove had stayed and had those scrubs chasing a clear goal instead of them just being a bunch of welfate queens

>>77144116
I mean, Cover certainly not that averse to problematic individual, Rushia and Vesper comes to mind.
It's just Luca has no other talent beside her shitty twitch lingo and fujobaiting.

>>77143853
Which is why I am amazed it existed in the first place. My assumption is that it was vital for coordination, because Nijisanji fucked up the internal communication. Otherwise management would have shut it down. But we can safely say that the discord started before Obsydia's debuted, so its creation wasn't driven by the need for malice or control, but need.

>>77144260
No i was laughing at the thought of that piece of fucking absolute shit getting into stars and causing fucking havoc there too rather than laughing at you suggesting it

>>77144271
>Cover certainly not that averse to problematic individual, Rushia and Vesper
Anon both of their dramas already happened after they got signed on
Cover has never signed on someone who already has a huge public drama baggage beforehand

>>77143847
Wouldn't be bad if they can get someone like Shu, Doppio, Vanta or Ike. Niji has some good male talent.

>>77144276
Nope, it's clearly marked as vent channel.
Also the fact that not every nijien member was in that thing, Selen for example.
If that was an official channel for internal communication and Selen was either not invited or deliberately chose to not join, that would spell a whole lot trouble for NijiEN.

>>77144116
Keep in mind that they hired groombullet and a troon. They even fucking ok'd a collab with 39daph. Nothing is off the table with the Homobranch.

>>77144411
>ike
Black screen ike?

>>77144430
>that would spell a whole lot trouble for NijiEN
Checks out, doesn't it? Selen also, if rumors are to be believed, left in 2022 so she could have left due to sexpests

>>77144440
anon groombullet doesnt have a massive drama in his pl unlike luca
i would actually be amazed if they will take a big risk and hire luca

>>77144402
You're greatly underestimating Cover scouting capability.
Other holomen too were kind of "problematic" before joining Holo.
We love to joke about Cover scouting and management department, but those two department literally saved them multiple times already

A rebrand could work if they graduate all the problematic members. Every single one of them.
>Elira
>Vox
>Ike
>Luca
>Enna
>Millie
>Finana
>Kotoka
>Hex

>>77144581
>You're greatly underestimating Cover scouting capability.
and you are greatly overestemating cover being risk takers
>Other holomen too were kind of "problematic" before joining Holo.
none of their problems were equal or greater than what luca has though?
even the worse offender would be luna's drama and that was due to her character hopping multiple times

>>77141120
Good find, I missed this.
I would say it's actually fairly credible because a few days after this post was made, Matara actually explained why she didn't get along with the younger members: basically just that she feels she can't relate to or be friends with people with too big of an age gap. I don't watch every Matara stream, let alone old Nina streams, so whoever posted it could be pulling it from something I missed, but it has the ring of insider info.

>>77144464
Water bottle Ike has proven himself to be a company man.

>>77144772
I'm not overestimating, several known problematic individual has joined Hololive Production.
But it speaks to Cover's hands-on management that the only big scandal they had so far was Rushia and maybe Aloe, but that was nijinigs fault.

>>77144835
>>77140728

>>77126554
I do not think you should include the subreddit. After the Selen incident, sisters were getting down voted and shat on pretty hard by everyone on there. Hell, sisters would say that it was a positive that the sub got nukes because it is one less avenue for people to shit on them and their livers.

>>77144936
>I'm not overestimating, several known problematic individual has joined Hololive Production.
How many of them broke their contract multiple times by having unauthorized people use their corpo accounts or have another person sign their merch and have it revealed to the public before they got recruited by hololive anon

>>77145090
Only rushia was caught thus far i assume

>>77145090
Anon, that is exactly what my point is.
Cover long onboarding process is long for a good reason.

>>77144939
We're just talking about different stuff anon. I'm saying this post
>>76603670
Is consistent with things Matara said, not that she claimed someone was trapped in Niji and suicidal.

>>77143847
>>77143399 (Me)
You're over thinking this. Luxiem as a whole is too tainted to be poached, Vox, Ike, Luca and obvious and Shu is adjacent to Elira. Noctyx I can see only Alban, maybe Fulgur if they're fine with his limitations.
After the Golden 20, I can see Ren, Vanta, Doppio as potential candidates. Claude and Wilson aren't that notable AND have heavily downplayed Nijisanji's troubles. Everyone else don't stand out.

>>77145212
>Only rushia was caught thus far i assume
that was post hololive signing
pre-hololive none of them had any major dramas or yabs prior to being scouted

>>77124873
NijiEN can't be dissolved because they quite literally represent Anycolor's expansion outside of Japan.
The dream of a strong NijiEN in the west is dead so they'll just try and gather whatever small stronghold they have in SEA where bootlicking a black company is more acceptable.

>>77145378
none of the organs had major yab before joining nijien too you know?
Even Nova, all they got was some vague accusations.

>>77145508
I always wondered where in sea since even in their old strongholds like flipland their reputation there is already in the dumps with flips hating on them especially millie due to her supposed circumstance

>>77132381
I would go as far as to say that if she does go indie, she will use a voice changer to modify to change her voice just enough so that people do not know it is her.

>>77124873
NijiEN will merge with Nijisanji. Some will accept it, some will ask politely to graduate, and some will go MIA, but no one outside of Nijisanji will notice.

>>77145543
>none of the organs had major yab before joining nijien too you know
>vox grooming
>luca underage vr sex chatrooms
>sonny scamming people with his "illness" and then "death"
thats not even mentioning elira bullying other indies since you already mentioned it

>>77144936
>and maybe Aloe, but that was nijinigs fault.
She was attacked by both Niji and Holo fans actually. By Nijis for being a traitor and by Holos for being a whore. Not sure why this point is always confused.

>>77145619
Niji doesn't really have a "stronghold". Even in the places where they supposedly have lots of fans (Philippines, Singapore and some other SEA countries) tend to skew more for Holo in general. Even China of all places long for getting Holo back rather than settle for their cheap knockoffs. It's just that fujos and the virtue signallers (aka: le idol culture bad) tend to be the loudest in the group.

>>77145508
This assumes Riku and co. have any interest in keeping Anycolor afloat. The more obvious guess is that Riku is already looking at an exit strategy and any language aimed at pleasing investors is just stalling to keep the company value from plummeting too fast while he loots it and bails. Riku won't close the EN branch but whoever gets left as his bagholder very much will.

>>77146105
NTA but that was all Niji and Anti chuuba tourist. Lest we forget that one of Nijis own translators tried to shitstir themselves.

>>77145880
>Vox grooming
Come on now, I hate le retard de miload too but even in this holoboard people never posted the smoking gun, the concrete proof.
>Luca underage vr sex chatrooms
Uh, anon? Why are you believing in NDF talking point?
Luca was 18, anything that happened between him and Raziel legally speaking is between two consenting adults.
>sonny scamming people with his "illness" and then "death"
Okay I give you this, but what he did was at best asshole-ish.
I don't think he ever took any money?

Fuck I hate how I have to defend nijiorgans in order to prove my point about how good Cover scouting department and talent management are

>>77124873
The same as how it turned out for Niji IN, KR, and ID. Quiet abandonment, frustrated graduations, and NDAs.

>>77146389
>Lest we forget that one of Nijis own translators tried to shitstir themselves.
Ah I remember that, It was that person who tried to be the representative of the japanese people to the western fanbase right?

>>77146183
Because Riku owns close to a majority, he would need another company to buy him out. As it is right now he can't cash out without scaring investors and crashing his stock.
If I were him I'd be looking for an exit ASAP because his whole net worth is tied to his stock and it's down to a third since its peak on Oct 2022.

>>77144936
>We Holofags dindu nuffin! Mafusisters harassed Rushia and Nijisisters harassed Towa and Aloe. We have no proof but just trust us

Victim complex?

>>77146105
>by Holos for being a whore
Nice try nijinigs.

>>77145880
How the fuck is Luca being groomed a detriment to him? I will never understand this board blaming the victim for getting groomed

>>77146105
>>77146389
defending niji's honor doesn't work anymore so the go-to play is
>muh both sides bad

>>77146504
>Uh, anon? Why are you believing in NDF talking point?
>Luca was 18, anything that happened between him and Raziel legally speaking is between two consenting adults.
Anon they werent the only ones the in vr chatrooms hell some of the girls he interacted with were a lot younger than him
>Okay I give you this, but what he did was at best asshole-ish.
>I don't think he ever took any money
People were giving him money when he larped about being sick and getting treatment for a few months

>>77146537
Thing is, I don't know if there will be buyers. Anycolor's reputation in the west is at it's worst and there's only a select few talents in JP that are real moneymakers. Unless it's a hostile takeover I don't think Riku loses his position assuming no one buys.

>>77146689
see>>77146725

>>77146513
Yep. A shame that most holofags, both here and outside, were still naive and assumed that not all Nijifans were nijiniggers. I would be curious to see what percentage of those so called "Holofans" regularly (and almost exclusively) chatted on Nijiliver streams if we had the tools that we had now (namely the website that allowed the HoloJP fandom to unmask hundreds of falseflagging nijiniggers)

>>77146567

>>77146725
How young?
Because most VRchat rooms has clear R-18 tags and, again, as much as I loathe kurosanji, all of this could be easily sweep aside with plausible deniability.

Anon, scamming people is big thing, and I can't find any report nor lawsuit made about Sonny PL.

>>77146725
>Anon they werent the only ones the in vr chatrooms hell some of the girls he interacted with were a lot younger than him
He was invited into them personally. If anyone under 16 was in, it was whoever invited them's fault
>People were giving him money
Proof?

>>77147158
14-17 since that was the age range of the fans of the owner of the server which was some youtuber
>Anon, scamming people is big thing, and I can't find any report nor lawsuit made about Sonny PL.
Its only a big thing if you try to beg or monetize it by having some donothon or gofundme like what zillianop did
sonny got some money but that was through volountary individual donations ad not some organized drive

>>77147037
This isn't evidence. Aloe acknowledging unicorns doxxed her ex and her is

>>77147556
>This isn't evidence
sure it isnt anon

>>77147358
>>77146725
I just want to add to the sonny drama that it was really big on the community, when he faked is death valve even added an easter egg about him and he gained a lot of hate when it was revealed

>>77147632
>Muh cherry picked screenshots of random people online being mean to aloe trumps Aloe herself saying it was Holo fans who doxxed her and her ex
Victim complex?

>>77147489
Even if you think faking your own death is no big deal, do you think a person who did it is trustful?

>>77147698
This isn't even the first person who faked their death to get away from the TF2 community. He did while he was shitter that couldn't even get 100k on his videos. No one cares anymore

>>77147861
This happened nearly a decade ago. He was a teenager when he did this

>>77147358

>>77147743
>blue dorito can do no wrong
>throws ex-liver under the bus Rushia, Kekson, Sana, Mel, Vesper, Maggie
holodrones are the biggest corpo bootlicker. Their projection is disgusting

>>77148043
That's not proof of anyone giving him money. Show me how much he made. I know he turned off donations after less than a month and no one noticed it

>>77148048
Don't ask holobronies how they feel about Magni shit talking Holo

>>77148246
>That's not proof of anyone giving him money.
proof is going to be hard since he nuked/privated all the videos which talked about his illness back in 2017

>>77145880
It's so fucking cartoonish how every single Niji is an absolutely vile, sociopathic piece of shit behind the scenes.

>>77125422
Elira comes from an affluent family and has a degree and can speak Japanese. She will have no trouble finding a job either through her own strengths or through her parent’s nepotism. Heck she’s survive as a 3view since she doesn’t pay rent

>>77124873
If NijiEN kicks it (again), I think we'll see Niji ID 2: A branch marge followed by like half the talents graduating.
> Which ex-livers will find a way forward, and which ones will need to flip burgers?
The girls who are not Elira or Kotoka would probably modest success except Vivi who I think has the biggest chance of turning into a lig. The only male I think has a chance out there is Doppio but that's only because I see he has good word of mouth.
>And what outside players stand the most to gain? Will Hololive assert total dominance, or will a mixture of small corpos and large indies occupy the vacuum NijiEN leaves behind?
Hololive will feel nothing from this happening but small corpos might become more prominent with Niji out of the picture.

>>77148499
Or how good you faggots are at making shit up then trying to will it into existence. Proof of Vox being a pedophile or Sonny getting any money after his "death"? Don't know how Luca being groomed is his fault too

>>77146504
>Come on now, I hate le retard de miload too but even in this holoboard people never posted the smoking gun, the concrete proof.
Anon have you been living in a rock for the past few years?
https://starbotdubs.tumblr.com/post/178708855144/follow-up-with-my-thoughts-on-vade

>>77148647
>Proof of Vox being a pedophile
see>>77148650
>Sonny getting any money after his "death"?
he was milking money during his illness phase not his death phase see>>77148043

>>77146823
Maybe Sony will buy it on the cheap.
Current market cap is $870m, down from $2.4 billion from its peak. Riku owns 42% of the shares while Sony owns 5%.
Riku is currently worth 368m USD and I doubt he wants it to drop below 100m, it would honestly feel disheartening to be him since he fell from being Japan's youngest billionaire to a filthy 8-digit networth if the company keeps floundering.

>>77148737
That Tumblr hit piece was already debunked to hell and back plus it has no proof. You literally just sent me something with no evidence as your evidence
>he was milking money during his illness phase not his death
He was a shitter up until he posted his death video then he removed monetization on his channel. Prove he ever got money

>>77148048
>ex-liver
oki doki sister

>>77148965
>That Tumblr hit piece was already debunked to hell and back
Debunked by vox saying that it isnt true and flipping it by saying that he was the one being groomed lmao

>>77148650
oh neat i needed something like this for reddit and fb thanks

>>77148048
>argues a case that Kson was fucked over by Cover (never mind that she's still talking with Yagoo on Discord to this day)
>can't resist insulting her anyway
>livers
Sew your mouth shut before i shit down your throat.

You know im sensing a pattern here
Vox and Luca were accused of being groomers and they tried to reverse the scenario by saying that they were the ones being groomed
It sounds like the black stream all over again where Nijisanji admitted that selen was bullied but Vox Elira and Ike tried to make it seem that they were the ones being bullied by Selen especially Vox with the " She recorded me without my consent" line
Kinda interesting

>>77148840
That's the only entity that I could see. However, Sony did shut down Prism so it makes me wonder if they'd have the ability to turn them around.

>>77149087
>Debunked by vox saying that it isnt true

Vox never said anything. Vox's friend came out and said what happened and why the person was making false accusations about him. He was 17, was flown out to the US by a 19 and a 20 year old where he got drunk and made out with one of em. Then she cried sexual assault. If you got any proof that you're not full of shit, show it

>>77131637
Elira, for certain, can’t, she’s lost well over a year of channel growth since the black stream, and is still losing subscribers every time she streams. If she somehow manages to claw her way back out of that pit in spite of the YouTube algorithm fucking her over, which it almost certainly is doing now and will do so going forward, I will kneel.

>>77149481
Luca was never accused of being a groomer, you retard. People just started pretending that the 16 year old was the one grooming the 24 year old because they had no argument

>>77125310
>Tencent
You mean Sony, anon
Why do you think Sony shuttered "their" vtuber agency out of nowhere? The deal was already set in motion.

>AI months ago:

Seems Anycolor gave up on the first scenario. Honestly expected some changes with Riku becoming more involved. But they are doubling down on old tactics like silencing, in which they succeeded in Japan, shutting down YT channels that talked about them there; silent suspensions, favoritism, and now back to acceleration with no support. They do have an HR hotline for harassment now.

So the options left are merger or closure. Continued expansion in the West is bleak without commitment to real changes.

>>77150175
>AI posting
Dramafags have really hit the bottom of the barrel

>>77124873
Don't get your hopes off. Riku will undoubtedly pull some favors from his billionaire buddies to pull the stock up short of delisting.

I think it's going to be a nothing burger, but on the off chance that it isn't, it seems very likely that the company could change hands again. Whether that'll actually change anything is another question, as I suspect the company, including the JP branch, has been largely left to its own devices by Riku. The only rot coming from the very top seems to be in the form of neglect, while it's the lower executives and management (and """management""") that actually run the company turned cult.

>>77149613
>Vox never said anything.
No he actually addressed the accusations
His friend was the one that tried to defend him by saying that he was the one being groomed and that he was "tricked" into drinking alcohol because no teenager would dare drink alcohol without getting tricked

>>77149646
The context of the thread is, as OP said
>Which ex-livers will find a way forward, and which ones will need to flip burgers?
So we're talking about notElira, not Elira.

>>77150250
>AI right after Selen controversy
Nijisanji would be better off using AI, without a doubt. Sometimes you just have to leave that echo chamber and see what the world sees it as is.

>>77150500
Well he was flown to the US by two girls and was persuaded into illegally drinking alcohol and kissing one of them. I don't see how this was his fault. If Vox were a woman being flown into a different country at 17 then being given alcohol and then having older people kiss her while drunk, you'd say she was groomed

>>77150539
it goes for both notelira and elira

>>77150600
>AI was saying the problem is serious and needs to be addressed now.
>Goldman Sachs says buy buy buy Anycolor stock

>>77150856
Ah yes because you really need to trick and persuade a 17 year old r in order to drink and kiss other girls because 17 year olds hate doing both those things
> If Vox were a woman being flown into a different country at 17 then being given alcohol and then having older people kiss her while drunk, you'd say she was groomed
Not really since the age of consent in the UK is 16 and his partners were 2-3 years older than him
If he was 15 or 14 yeah I would agree

>>77150887
notElira will be streaming on a fresh channel / Twitch, so she won't be gimped by algos. She'll still have to find a way to fix the way people perceive her, but at least she won't have to fight a robot on top of it.

>>77151158
>Not really since the age of consent in the UK is 16
He was flown into the US then was given alcohol illegally. Then when he was drunk, two older girls made out with him. If a 20 year old man flew a 17 year old woman to the US, got her drunk then started kissing her, you'd think he's a groomer

>>77151565
>He was flown into the US then was given alcohol illegally
And he resided in UK where AoC and drinking of alcohol is ok at 16
>If a 20 year old man flew a 17 year old woman to the US, got her drunk then started kissing her, you'd think he's a groomer
That aint grooming anon at thats just a 17 year old being retarded

>>77134099
Even as a joke, that doesn't make sense.

>Vox 17 kissing a 20 year old girl is somehow a problem
>Vox 17 and flirting and having sexual conversations with 12 and 14 year olds is ok

>>77151961
They had a lot of events, even if none of them broke any records (and were relatively low all things considered) by sheer volume alone they could push Niji past the financial line.
Unless they lost money on the arena + staff at Singapore, in which case Riku better sent a stunt double to the shareholders.

>>77152273
>by sheer volume alone they could push Niji past the financial line.
I dont see how they could have earned $60 million without nijifes this quarter anon

>>77151847
>And he resided in UK where AoC and drinking of alcohol is ok at 16
That's still illegal. You have to follow a different country's laws while you're inside it
>That aint grooming anon at thats just a 17 year old being retarded
Sure. But you don't think it's weird they got him drunk first then kissed him?
>>77152076
>Vox 17 and flirting and having sexual conversations with 12 and 14 year olds is ok
Not only is there no proof of him doing this at all but now there's a problem with a 17 year old flirting with a 14 year old but not a 20 year old getting a 17 year old drunk and kissing him? Dramafags are morally bankrupt

>>77152525
>17 year old flirting with a 14 year old but not a 20 year old getting a 17 year old drunk and kissing him
guess which age is below aoc anon?

>>77145508
Sure, but they could also spin a merger in such a way as not, eliminate the possibility of international expansion. something along the lines of the following.
>We are pleased to announce that we are consolidating the NijisanjiEN and NijisanjiJP branches into one entity, Nijisanji Global, which will allow us to more effectively advertise our already profitable livers from the Japanese branch into international markets while also retaining the talent and management skills of the English branch, as well as bringing our profitable English livers into the Japanese market etc, etc

>>77152525
>Not only is there no proof of him doing this at all
You could say the same thing with Vox getting drunk since the only proof is the word from another person since funny enough since vox never addressed the drunken rrat while the chick denied it

>>77152485
At Singapore If they managed to sell 5000 seats at 140 dollars for each act that's at least 1.4 mil, after that you have merch and who knows how many tickets AR live sold.

>>77152631
The 20 year old kissing the 17 year old, retard. In what world is a 14 year old and a 17 year old "flirting" more questionable than a 20 year getting a 17 year old drunk and kissing him? Where's even the proof of this 14 year old in the first place?

>>77153042
>In what world is a 14 year old and a 17 year old "flirting" more questionable than a 20 year getting a 17 year old drunk and kissing him?
The one where its 14 AND 12 years old not just 14 years old

>>77153029
>At Singapore If they managed to sell 5000 seats at 140 dollars for each act that's at least 1.4 mil
problem is that they didnt and if they did they need to do it 60x times to hit the estimated target

>>77133592
Holokeks are funny as fick being cum eating cuckold BBC hololive simps worse than phasecuck boyfriend connect brown and ESL phaesejanny monkeys seaniggers pagpagshithole Philippines and Indonesia. Retards.

>>77141956
Neck yourself Holokeks. You act the same as Neonazis Zionist from Israel.

>>77153333
Based and redpilled fellow NijiGods always win baybeeee.

>>77152812
>You could say the same thing with Vox getting drunk since the only proof is the word from another person
The accuser's own screenshots proves he was drunk. She even says she and her friend were drinking wine and liquor. Why wouldn't Vox not been given a drink?
>The one where its 14 AND 12 years old not just 14 years old
Prove they're even real. One of the people in the screenshots of his supposed harem came out and said he wasn't flirting with them and that they weren't dating

>>77153908
When was the last time nijiniggers won anything? Rumao

>>77154093
>The accuser's own screenshots proves he was drunk
but the screenshots never showed that he was drunk though only that he was drinking
>One of the people in the screenshots of his supposed harem came out
that was a different person that was "supposedly" in the harem none of the people in the screenshot actually came out and defended vox (since the girl that came out was 16 during the time the incident happened ) especially the 12 year old that he was "chatting" with

>>77154442
>but the screenshots never showed that he was drunk though only that he was drinking
And his friend said he was drunk. They admit he was drinking. Vox is a light weight and he was 17. He was clearly drunk
>that was a different person that was "supposedly" in the harem none of the people in the screenshot actually came out and defended vox
Actually the person that came out to defend Vox did actually say it was her in the screenshot and that they weren't dating or even flirting. This "12 year old and 14 year old" don't even exist as there's nothing proving that they're even a real person. The person who made the accusations couldn't even verify that they were real

>>77154368
By being better than Holobots hololive simps cum eating cuckolds.

>>77150600
They do! Or well... MilLlie when she wanna write something important and comprehensive

>>77156939
I want to conglatulate all the clique members on their bright future 2 weeks or 2 months down the road in retail, fast food, or prostitution.

>>77149293
>cover is yagoo

>>77143081
Elira removed pomu's mod rights during her drunk stream.
You have to be admin or have admin rights to do that, as she said that she was the server owner.