/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>76754716
*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.net/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://vt.poi.cat/

Hololive sites
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://holosongs.com/
>https://holo-spotify-stats.jirikunes.eu/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://www.nijiuta.com/

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

So what did we learn from the last thread anons?

>>76754765
Not a damn thing.

>>76754765
Sex with migochi

>>76754716
>>76754743
Alright! Time for SEX

>>76754765
WE love /u/ in here

>>76754765
the garden of eden is closing

/vt/ is THE Gura board.

>>76754795

Someone explain NijiEN's remaining viewership to me.

Why is Shu now their #1 liver? Why does Enna blow the other girls out of the water?

> 奏 / Kanade (cover) *new*
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=VT1on_WaMzw
>My Dearest (cover)
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=oxZeLM9rx7s
>DAYBREAK FRONTLINE (cover)
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=BWexRFqs3Wg
>名前のない怪物 / Namae No Nai Kaibutsu (cover)
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=45ZfAdZuaok

>symmetry *new*
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=5ADaIvhhcCU
>Shunkan Heartbeat Otonose Kanade SOLO ver.
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=FnRwOG06UtI
>カバー曲 / Cover Songs
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6qjLH_5VIDUEA7yBOKxdRPdI4vYmL-dR
>歌まとめ / All Songs
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6qjLH_5VIDUogkBSe9WqTU0X1ia7xi_1

>>76754846

NijiEN...

>>76754841
Elira.....

>>76754707
>What exactly would an EN Vtuber, or company of them, need to do to achieve the sort of growth that HoloJP experiences?
The answer should be obvious, they would have to do the same thing HoloJP does, with the same level of quality and consistency.

GRIM

I hope Aqua invite Kanade to FPS,with a little polish she can do well considering how she is challenger and make good decisions even in panic.she should stop over reaction tho

>>76754877

do saplings brush faunas's teeth to remove eddys's smegma?

>>76754860
Shu has a Japanese fanbase, Enna is a raid baby

>>76754783
I kneel, king. Time for next Homo gen.

>>76754896
REAPER

>>76754860
Enna doesn't. Their #1 ccv person mightbe.....Meroco

pls consider
learn to drop hate
invest in a smile
love will come
maybe you will like it

someone is angy

>>76754928
VCR queen, I kneel

>deleted

Honestly the walled garden description fits hololive really well, they plant and take care of their plants until they grow big, healthy and splendid, everyone else is at best a wild forest where everyone tries to grow above others, or more frequently some patch of bare ground in a city that tons of people walk over and no one cares for where half of it doesn't even have grass

>>76754845
Yes.

>>76754783
>Monthly sub 4.73k
>The rest are still in 60k
Is it going to take the rest of the homos a whole year just to reach 100k?

>>76754940
No

>>76754952
>>76754968
Missed it was it ennacuck?

>>76754765
takes 1 homo 7 months to get 100k subs now

>>76754940

>>76754898
You want Kanade to be a fps whore?

>>76754783
We secured the Philippines audience

75% of HoloJP girls are boring and not worth my time.

>>76754783

Anyone else wishes holos would move a bit further away from the "it's a stage, sometimes there's a fancy floating machine too" stage design for their free lives?

>>76754783
HomoEN 4 NOW, how much do you guys bet the twitter page will have a tweet for this

Oh hey she stream, I thought she was on hiatus?

>>76755098
wdym? do you want them to experiment with more creative maps, like a forest, the moon, some jp temple etc kind of thing?

If we really are doomed to never get an EN4, I really think that's going to be a huge fucking mistake.

15 chuubas WOULD be a perfectly fine number and enough to fill out a weekly schedule... if we didn't have more than half of them out of commission and unavailable to stream at any given time.

I hate that this might be the timeline we're locked into now.

600 CCV DORYAAAA
PixelLink is in the same weight class as NijiEN

You know how in Love Live they make it so that they can make a group of three with ANY of the 9 members and that group will always works, the dynamics and everything
Why cant they do this with Hololive?

>>76754843
>sorry pool closed
welp sorry random indies you had 3 years to get in lol

>>76755193
Oh....

>>76755072
>>76754783

>>76755161
Exactly that, they are underusing the digital aspect pretty hard, EN managed to overcome it a bit but they don't really host lives

>>76754892
Fuck off. Faggots like you love to overlook the importance of having 90% of your fucking audience in the same timezone.

>>76755161
NTA but yes, go crazy with the environments, have a live set in fucking space or something, what's the point of the virtual part if they're just going to be on 3D recreations of actual IRL concert stages

>>76755232
StartMyth my beloved.

>>76755183
>>76755211
Here's a fun thought. Imagine the absolute hate EN4's going to get from jealous 2views if they really ARE the final EN gen.

>>76755108
God i hope they do because its so fucking embarrassing

>>76755232
>World's biggest Vtuber agency

>>76754841
I dont understand how could anyone ship two nijiwhores with each others
They sucked male cocks in public on multiple ocassions

MIKO GOLD

>>76755202
Because they are not 2D png, they are real, have unique personality and preferences, and will not always work well with each other
Some Holo just prefer to do things solo

>>76754952
Yeah me, HOLOKEKS

>>76754843
Do they know that half of their EN branches don't stream?

>>76755290
elira please..

New FOTM

>>76754843
Cover is being retarded, all tat exposure dosent matter if they just dont stream, we need more active members instead of the ones that stream like 6 times a year

>>76755300
MIKO SEX

>>76755285
is Cover

>>76755232
More Regloss hires to branch out

>>76754716
my beloved

>>76755326
kek

Apparently the new gacha, bug waves, or whatever, pulled perms for Hololive. Good riddance to a shitty bug game.

Since thread is shit I am watching anime

>>76755326
Kek

>>76755318
>>76755333
>He didn't get the news
Anon Hololive will focus less and less on streams, we been over this
This will be the new normal

>>76754973
Also in the sense you get a lot of people waxing lyrical about the majesty and beauty of the untamed wilderness, but they wouldn't go camping - at most they stick to the glamping spots and pretend they're roughing it out. The few honest or naive ones who actually give it a try quickly find out that the jungle is unsurprisingly full of buzzing insects and bloodsucking parasites.

>>76755211
>>76755275
First come to mind is Mint,this will mindbreak definitely

>>76755326
Isn't that normal for steam?

>>76755380
Which one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjC6snCbOXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjC6snCbOXI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjC6snCbOXI

>>76755326
lol

>>76755333
they also need to pruge the homo branch to make room for more girls

>>76755355
Dev_isEN in 2025, believe.

>Fauna Witcher
>Gura Kingdom Come
The brief 2010s golden era of great WRPG's

>>76755371
>Suddenly remember they are Chinese company
>"Ah shit we are not supposed to give Hololive perm"

>>76755371
Why? China complained?

I'm really getting sick and tired of
>THEY DON'T STREAM
Like literally the only one that doesn't stream without any real rhyme or reason is Gura, and even that could be waived away as "she's busy."

>>76755371
Iofi…

>>76755326
Pippa should stream this, otherwise she hate her fanbase

>>76755380
Since this Friend is sex, I'm raping.

>>76755380
I can't passively watch shows anymore since that activity is taken up by streams.

>>76755428
>leech grifter

>>76754716
seggs

>>76754716
>>76755361
https://kemono.su/fanbox/user/38934503/post/4640308

>>76755428
do we need to bring back the probation list

>>76755211
>3 years
Actually 2. During one of those years Cover only gave a fuck about faggots.

>>76755183
Oh, it is a huge mistake. Cover wants to grow in the west but wasted an entire year focusing on a product that no one gives a fuck about and is again on a critical point with what should be their actual main focus in the region just like they were 2 years ago but it looks like they didn't learn a single thing.

>>76755428
At least the sleep streamers chat is awake.

>>76754765
F for the SEA Leeching whore

>>76755353
No,the are MOST INFLUENTIAL vtuber

>>76755371
Thank christ for that

>>76755245
>>76755260
Yeah I get it, it's hard to say why they don't go out of it, either the girls or cover want to keep the Idol concert feel to it, or is just a limitation of resources to produce new assets/maps. Could be just a lack of creativity.
But they do from time to time use different maps but they are kinda repetitive, like that chappel/church or the infinity water map that I think Aki and Ina have used in the past.

>>76755252
The US east coast has more people than Japan. Why are so many people so quick to blame uncontrollable external factors? Do you think HoloEN has really done everything it can to grow? I think the most obvious reason why no one in HoloEN gets Pekora's numbers is simply the fact that no one in HoloEN deserves Pekora's numbers. And I don't mean that as an insult, again my HoloJP oshi gets much lower numbers than Pekora (and lower than multiple EN holos as well), but if you want growth you need vtubers who can drive that growth and I don't think anyone in HoloEN is able to do that right now.

>>76755397
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF5xBtaL3YI
Fitting clip from Werner Herzog

>>76755371
Oh nyo~
Another reason for holos to avoid Chinese shit~

>>76754843
Sowwy, boiz only fwom now on.

>>76755536

>>76755536
EN, after almost 4 years, only just now has access to the same infrastructure JP has. Your continued refusal to acknowledge the differences between the branches makes you look like a moron at best. Now take your ENseethe somewhere else.

>>76755536
>The US east coast has more people than Japan
and how many of those fucking watch not only streamers but fucking VTUBERS

>>76755494
I don't give out my views to any vtuber, even holos in 2024

Waiter waiter, 2 more homo gens please

>>76754843
Really hope this was decided after EN4 was finalized

>>76755371
Great, I hope we never get hoyo perms too

>>76755428
So it’s Jurard and who?
Nerissa would be my usual assumption but she’s busy rn
Mori maybe? Bae? Ollie?
I kinda doubt it’s anyone outside of the usuals

>>76755371
GOD,Thanks for your guidance and blessings in saving Hololive from cruel fate.Thanks you

>>76755654
roru

>>76755041
you can do it
learn to let go of hate
it leads nowhere good
love will help you heal
just give it a chance

>>76755371
Because no one is fucking asking about it, post proof.

>>76755533
Honestly they probably just need a concept artist or few on their team, or just copy homework of other RK Music, Kamitsubaki, that Korean one and probably bunch of others, it's one area where they aren't ahead compared to rest of the scene

>>76754843
Wait, so it's over? We're stuck with like 8 active holoENs?

>>76755371
Unironically, thank the lord. Last thing the community needs is the women those streams would bring in.

>>76755536
>>76755632
would mori see more success pandering to JP only? she is kinda mainstream on the jp side

>>76755719
Yes
And before you ask, Cover management is famously retarded

give me a recipe for tuna salad.

Don't look at Sakasandayo numbers

>>76755771
Attention whores need the fucking rope.

>>76755688
Nta but Octavio talked about it in his stream earlier according to Reddit

700 CCV DORYAAAAA
NIJIEN MOGGED (without raids)

>>76755318
>>76755389
>>76755333
still trying to push this 'increased IP profit mean Cover don't want Holos to stream" rrat, kek

>>76755769
Olive oil, pepper, lemon and if is your preference Mayo.

>>76755752
Is this some weird gambit like, "oh, you have not enough people to do any kind of big event? guess you'll have to invite da boiz!"

>>76755719
just wait for the 7 other members to become active again and we'll have 15 active members

>>76755802
It's their new pet rrat kek
Just don't ask them how often has Miload been streaming

>>76755802
And anyone who believe it purely is as retarded as them

>>76755796
literally who

>>76755818
That's never going to happen. At best, more won't go inactive.

>>76755796
Homos have different perms.

Most subs gained by Hololive channels in may so far

>>76755326
Would be a funny shitpost if s*yjak niggers weren't the biggest faggots on the internet, can't wait for that meme to finally die

>>76755769
1. tuna
2. salad

>>76755796
>reddit said that homo said
seems legit

>>76754860
Shukek being #1 is all an illusion. For brief period Lukek used to be #1 and that was also an astroturfed illusion. Don't fall for nijikek bot astroturds. They botted sonnyshits birthday once and a year ago they were botting most of their organs. Now that the ship is sinking they are all seeking refuge in reclineSanji jp, blending in as if they don't stick out like a sore thumb.

>>76755371
So just like TOF? Good riddance anyway

>>76755428
This is literally the first time I've watched an ironmouse clip, does she always have that weird southern style twang to the way she speaks?

>>76755536
Looking strictly at population is such a reductive way to view the potential audiences of vtubers in their relative markets.

The existing audience Vtubers in Japan are much closer to what we would consider a "normie" audience for Japan than for America or other western countries. Vtubers in the west are pretty much confined to the weeb demographic, which itself is a subset of nerd culture, which itself is not yet considered mainstream by and large. Even fleshstreamers, which have a significantly lower barrier to entry for a mainstream audience, STILL do not fundamentally appeal to normie audiences for daily livestream viewership even when they rack up millions of views on a platform like Youtube (as an example, Charlie).

The point is that there are multiple barriers to entry that need to be breached before you could ever consider vtubers to have an adequate path to larger audiences in the west. For now, they are almost entirely cannibalizing the previous audiences for other nerd and anime culture or livestreaming.

>>76755769
2 packs of tuna
half of a lettuce
1 tomato
mayo
1 can of corn
mix and you are done. You can eat it with crackers

>>76755898
no herbs or seasoning?
are you a monster?

>>76755802
They want them to stream, but if the talent doesn't want to Cover isn't going to push them hard and risk upsetting them.

>>76755769

>>76755654
They advertised auditions right after advent's debut. If you don't get into EN4 THEN it's over.

>>76755909
>south twang
She's fucking latinx. Her accent is just Puerto Rican whore.

>>76755769
been using this one for years

https://downshiftology.com/recipes/tuna-salad/

>>76755326
>Developer:Froot
lmao

>>76755632
That is definitely a factor but JP didn't have that infrastructure at first either and also a lot of their growth has come from normal streams that don't require studio access or staff support. Again, I am of the opinion that it's pointless to start blaming external factors when you haven't exhausted the options you can control. Do you think that, collectively, the HoloEN talents are currently working as hard and doing as much to grow as the HoloJP talents historically have?
>>76755640
Does everyone in Japan watch streamers???

>>76755898

>>76755927
>before you could ever consider vtubers
vtubers yes but hololive no
EN box would be 50k every night if it wasn't for the bullshit some members pulled. It's why we need more members, less girls who have fucked up.

>>76755371
BASED

>>76755990
uh... why is your AI uwu speaking?

>>76755871
How long will it take for Suisei to pass Kobo?

rip EN5 and beyond, it was nice knowing ya. EN4 might or might not happen but leaning very might

>>76755927
This assuming that hololive wasn't entry into Japanese culture for significant portion of it's audience, honestly I wouldn't be surprised if western holo fans actually outsized the extra hardcore weeb population

>>76755860
Okay, before we doompost we still have that "Open audition" for EN4. And it doesn't mean the walled garden will forever close off, you never know when the next NDA break will happen or if someone has to graduate eventually, if the number of members start to drop they can always announce a new audition which will clearly attract a bunch of hungry applicants.
Is not a matter of "If" but "When".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEJJ2Fvs2so

>>76755990
>sardines
Fuckin stupid ass AI

>>76755990
>cute kitty maid
anon?

>>76755927
And yet despite all that Gura became a massive phenomenon and when she streams the numbers are absolutely there. So how do you explain that? And if Gura can/could pull it off why should we just accept that others can't?

>>76756060
I find it amusing
Also it doubles as jailbreak, at least for 3.5, I have yet to update it for 4.0

>>76756027
Like I said, moron at best. Rapidly approaching disingenuous faggot

>>76756065
Give it 2 months
Bibidebba buff still fresh

>>76754843
Ok, makes sense for JP, they don't really need a new gen at least until some of the old talents start graduating, that time will come eventually. But EN desperately needs EN4. If you don't want to debut EN5 after that as a company, fine, but we need at least 5 more girls to make sure streams are actually happening, and there are enough people around to organize some collabs.

>>76755428
>2 Hololive members
Nice bait

>>76755903
AI?

>>76756027
Myth carried that shit in the beginning all by themselves in a way that no JP ever has and Council used Ame's shit in the beginning. Cover was happy to let them burn themselves out.

>>76756018
Shit. Thanks man.

>>76756188
OJOU AISHITE

So what is the endgame for the Holowitches project? Did they hire all these seiyuu just to record 15 second promo videos or are we getting an actual anime at some point?

>>76755909
Southern? Yeah South American

shieeet cover wants to close garden and they haven't even covered the EU/NA afternoon timeslot yet?

>>76755688

>>76746494
https://youtu.be/ntZE9bDgrvM?t=2546

Zeta also talked about it
https://youtu.be/p564HZUZfc0?t=8025

>>76756184
>homo
>Hololive
Kek, evey single time

>>76756045
>>76756125
Frankly speaking: do you believe that if Gura streamed five days a week, every week, that she would pull the exact same numbers as she does now? Or do you understand the obvious that by making every single stream an event that only happens once a month, her CCV ends up wildly inflated relative to what she would actually pull on a daily basis as a regular chuuba?

Hololive EN absolutely does solid numbers; there's a reason that they're the best performing company in the scene right now. But I do not believe that the current audience can support or sustain the kind of numbers that you believe they can, and that's just based on the reality of looking at these audiences as they exist today.

>>76756076
I do think that this is probably true to a smaller degree, in that COVID probably created some converts who otherwise would have never even checked out vtubing. Either way, future growth will require appealing to new people without that kind of benefit.

>>76756065
about time someone dethroned the dung eater from top 5 most subbed holos

>>76756332
>Frankly speaking: do you believe that if Gura streamed five days a week, every week, that she would pull the exact same numbers as she does now?
It would be double what she has now, at least

>>76756279
Did Iofi do something bad?

>>76755371
Holokeks?

>>76756202
>Myth carried that shit in the beginning
I think you mean gura, ame, and to a smaller extent ina carried the two dead weights to success

>>76756176
Anon en4 is happening, they specifically promoted auditions after en3. If they don't do that after en4, you can assume it will be a big gap.

>>76756235
>Merch

>>76755871
How come Suisei's viral success hasn't led to the same level of sub growth that Marine saw after Treasure Box's release?

>>76755871
Bae 1M this year?

>>76756362
Oh, so you're just retarded. Cool.

Say what you will but Gura is a genius. She "returns" just far away enough from her upcoming birthday that people don't suspect it's a calculated.
And by the time that day comes next month people will feel like they can believe in her again, so she'll get showered with money.

>>76756332
>Either way, future growth will require appealing to new people without that kind of benefit.
how nice that all the homobeggars spread their bullshit about evil unicorns and shit, going to make it hard to expand when everyone hears about that kind of shit

>>76756259
Nonsense

EN4 will debut and they will finally be enough to give enough coverage for prime time every day

>>76756383
They all did their part

>>76756409
You're retarded if you think she would get the same or less CCV if she was streaming 5 days a week every week for 4 years.
You seem to have no idea how streaming works, this thread isn't your place

>>76756279
Not watching a homo but man zeta's voice is cute.

>>76755428
Lmao the description

>>76756414
>she'll get showered with money.
whatever she gets isn't enough anyway

Can faggots stop discussing a fking out of context image and read the whole fking IR?

>>76756414
I predict she will go in another month long hibernation 1-2 weeks after her birthday

>>76756235
This reminds me, don't Marine have the sankisei anime ongoing...she won't fuck up her throat again right???

>>76756010
It's a fucking travesty that the flagship for latino vtubers is that fucking bitch.

>>76756202
I agree, my point is precisely that an EN branch can do well (as well as JP) if it's actually trying as hard as JP, which I think was definitely true during the early days of Myth. And I also agree that the blame largely lies with management. I don't think that contradicts anything I've said so far.

>>76756475
PLEASE

>>76754765
SEA is Cancer

>>76756397
wdym 70k subs in a month is insane

>>76756485
IP doesnt mean new gens

>>76756383
Delusional. Everyone in Myth was doing there part. Especially Mori and Kiara in forming collabs and translating JP shit.

>>76756279
thank you Jesas for making the bugs pull the perms
Now please also make them pull LoL and Valorant perms, I will offer you my firstborn

>>76756279
Thanks for posting actual sources.

>>76756485
>new IP
It's either homo ID or mixed gen

>>76756613
>Debut several new VTuber units.
damn blind

>>76756332
>zero fanfare
>zero promotion
>often putting up the frame less than 12 hours before stream, if not way shorter
>event
You're retarded.

new gura killer just dropped

>>76756621
why do people here always assume the worst

>>76756644
Umisea is a vtuber unit

>>76756279
Why is it always homo or ID sucking chink cock

HoloEN has too many Pekoras and Aquas and not enough Mios or Marines

>>76756279
Did the dinofag ruin it by being brown?

>>76756621
Anon,units is not the same as debut.

>>76756538
So EN just has to work harder to be as hard workers as JP. Interesting logic.

>>76756644
>>76756673
holowitches too

>>76756658
Sorry I will only read that much text if it larps as a cat girl maid

>>76756685
EN doesn't have a single Pekora, aka number focused hard worker and decent gamer that is very popular and successful

>>76756027
>Do you think that, collectively, the HoloEN talents are currently working as hard and doing as much to grow as the HoloJP talents historically have?
No, but as >>76756202 says, it's hard to do anything about because they're burnt out. If they could be reinvigorated that'd be swell, but...well, as far as Ame goes, we're approaching two years since she first burnt out. Gura, too. Ina is still around but she's definitely taking it easier than before she had her own health/mental break. I'd love for them to come back but I can't actually expect it, and from that you've got over half of the first gen down, all the stuff council had to deal with after that, etc. Advent stemmed the bleeding but I really do think we need an EN4 at some point to really get the ball rolling, so hopefully that bit of the investors report was misphrased.

>>76756658
Unironically true. But here's the thing, most of the western scene thinks #10 means pandering to the corpses-to-be, and the rot inevitably spreads to their content, which infects all the other points.

>>76756397
Did Marine get way more? I don't remember.

>>76756332
>do you believe that if Gura streamed five days a week, every week, that she would pull the exact same numbers as she does now?
If she managed to keep her streams varied while interesting while keeping up her natural wit and charm, while being supported by a large, functional branch then absolutely. Why not? Gura's current numbers obviously benefit from a rarity buff but surely they also suffer from at this point multiple years' worth of missed growth opportunities.

>>76756704
Didn't they call Advent an unit? Also "debut" and "unit" are in the same sentence and I don't think they would use that terminology for something like UmiSea or HoloWitches.

>>76756731
chuchuchu

>>76756673
Up to your interpretation of what is the meaning of debut. But why the fuck everyone discussing like they're already closing the door?

>>76756279
>Some vtuber named "Iofi" is requesting permission to stream our game...just tell them it's whatever
>(a few days later)
>SHE'S IN HOLOLIVE????

>>76756125
Gura has the inertia from her old Covid buff to keep her going. She reached a critical mass where numbers can sustain themselves to a certain extent.

>>76755983
Which is the correct mindset, they're dealing with entertainers not blue collar workers

>>76756616
my brother is christ take your nostalgia goggles off, mori would have been gone if not for the umg deal hololive was always a stepping stone for her RM career

>>76755536
>The US east coast has more people than Japan.
Let's open a branch in India then

>>76756538
so EN has to match JP without the latter initial debut speed, fast and loose approach pre-holocaust and pre-coco red tape and support from the HQ, yeah seems doable.

>>76756619
I wish they pulled minecraft perms

>>76756820
didn't know joseph and mary had another son

>>76756809
That's grade A /asp/ie cope and jealousy.

>>76756761
Indeed. The only way for people to coexist is for them to not bring up their viewpoints on certain topics, full stop.
It doesn't matter what view you have, that's how HoloEN has, thus far, managed to have such a mix of types, because of the hard No Politics rule the girls have stuck to.
Which is why when homoshitters start stirring the pot, the shit splash can have greater effects than anyone can realize.

>>76756332
We don't even know their real numbers. The cull is so fucking retarded, they don't count people with AdBlock, they don't count people with PREMIUM, they don't count people from whatever the fuck they don't feel like counting from at any given time. And premium in particular is retarded part, since a lot of people probably bought in after YouTube started doing their bullshit last year (I did). And now they don't count as a view because by definition they don't watch an ad. The girls apparently see their real CCV after stream, for all we know Gura might hit 50k and Fauna 20k regularly after all their culled viewers are added.

Jesus Lulu has aged so much...

>>76756740
What I mean Pekora is a loner who stream alone and very picky when choosing collab partners.

>>76755371
Actually curious what happened since Iofi literally played it earlier today

>>76756865
not happening pekora just now was part of their relay celebrating the 15 year anniversary

>>76755202
lel they only did that with Muse, and Aqours to a mich lesser extent. since then, Love Live members are stuck permanently with their respective subunits. too bad we'll never see something like Soldier Game or NicoRinPana in post-Aqours Love Live ever again...

>>76756900
You mean l*l* or someone else?

>>76756865
I wish they pulled Apex perms

>>76756820
Wdym, she was popping off in the beginning with her music

>>76756888
You know Mumei is in the far right

>>76756125
If Pekora was so good, why isn't there Pekora 2?

...no, seriously, that's the heart of the problem, because it's something even Cover's trying to figure out while their investors clamor anxiously about it. Because when you think about it, all the lasting successes in JP streaming were also born in the era between HoloJP 0 and HoloJP 3. The time before is now a sea of carcasses with Kizuna Ai being dead for years before full graduation, and the time after that is littered with lukewarm successes that are doing well for themselves, but can't even come close to those who debuted in that ~2 year window.

Can you point to anyone at all in any language, any medium, becoming "Pekora" after lockdowns ended? The best I've got are the rotating TikTok influencers who live for a handful of months and then die just as quickly as they get rinsed out by the algo. Maybe the disquieting truth is that the current age has completely killed the possibility of the next top whatevermacallit.

>>76756731
CHU CHU CHU CUNNY CHU

>>76756065
Probably never. If they keep growing at their current pace Suisei will pass Kobo in 4 months, but that's unlikely. Suisei's sub growth already went down from 90k last month to 70k this month, so in two months her sub growth is probably going to be on par with Kobo again.

>>76756761
ironmouse_dakimakura.png

>>76756954
It doesn't matter, as long as the girls don't bring it up. Little jokes here and there that people can wave off don't matter in the long run, as long as they don't take any hard stances on important stuff.

>>76756900
She deserves more success, she's such a nice girl
Crazy that she basically started at 200k and only grew 30k in a year

>>76756957
Azki is pekora 2

>>76756871
Jesus has brothers actually

>>76756239
Puerto Rico is a few thousands miles away from South America

>>76756731

>>76756731
CHU~
CHU~
CHU~

>>76756785
Because threadreaders took the text equivalent of clipniggery at face value.

*FINAL EN COPE TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

>05/27 TALLY (1.000 - 4.999)
4.261: Shiori (Hololive) | Hollow Knight
2.325: Shu (Nijisanji) | Duck Detective: The Secret Salami
2.244: Meloco (Nijisanji) | Karaoke Stream
1.929: Tenma (Phase-Connect) | Peggle w/ Panko
1.801: Enna (Nijisanji) | The Outlast: Trials Zuttomo Collab
1.596: Panko (Phase-Connect) | Peggle w/ Tenma
1.507: Sonny (Nijisanji) | Bug Fables
1.374: Luto (Indie) | Variety Stream
1.359: Airi (Phase-Connect) | Variety Collab w/ Clara
1.333: Nene (kawaii) | ASMR Stream
1.304: Dizzy (Phase-Connect) | Variety Stream
1.219: Uki (Nijisanji) | Animal Crossing
1.133: Axel (Holostars) | Miitopia
1.066: Runie (Phase-Connect) | Bunny Garden
1.026: Alban (Nijisanji) | Just Chatting

>>76756957
While Sin is wreaking havoc throughout Spira, Penance is just there being comfy in his little mountain.

>>76755555
Quint 5s. Nice get.

Every night I pray for Fauna's graduation announcement and every day God doesn't answer my prayer

>>76757130
>MAY 22-31 EN ULTRA COPE POINTS PER STREAMER (gold = 3pts, silver = 2pts, bronze = 1pt)
208p: Dokibird
206p: Mint
206p: Tenma
205p: Shiori
203p: Kiara
203p: Ike
202p: Shu
201p: Dizzy
200p: Bae
200p: Enya

>>76756763
Looking at Socialblade, it looks like she got 130k subs the month after Treasure Box released. Bishopai had a bigger boost with 100k the month it released, 130k the next month, and a steady 80k a month for a few months after.

>>76756893
Nta
>premium not counted
Wtf? Since when? This is news to me.

>>76757047
Puerto Ricans are the Jews of Hispanics small population but you still can find them everywhere

>>76756731
chu

>>76756996
>as long as they don't take any hard stances on important stuff
See, even this isn't good advice. You already say there's important stuff. They're gifs on your screen. They shouldn't have to acknowledge they're talking about political or "important" stuff, it'll just come as natural tangents and move on as easily.
Like some yuro whorechuubas, in the same paragraph they're talking about their whore stuff or react shit, they shit on >burger healthcare, and return to their own retardation, all in the same breath.

>>76757176
Keep doing it, anon. I'm sure one day Jeebus will answer your prayers.

>>76755769
>give me a recipe for tuna salad.
Here is one you can eat cold and it's easy to prepare. Back when I was taking food to eat at the office
>pre pandemics, when I had to actually go to a physical office
I used to take this, deliciously prepared and packed by my beloved wife
https://www.deliciousmeetshealthy.com/tuna-pasta-salad/

>>76757019
>>76757137
>post-lockdown
My anons in christ, even if I mindlessly assume your examples are correct you're still proving my point that there's fuckall for new faces...

>>76756802
Fuck I can actually see it. Sorry lo-fi but it's funny to think about how you go unnoticed to such a degree a chink dev doesn't realize you're a holo.

>>76756332
Her numbers were consistent when she was streaming frequently when Advent debuted, only ever really affected by the game she played. She's also literally the only EN on Earth to maintain 10k+, regardless of streaming frequency.

>>76756957
>If Pekora was so good, why isn't there Pekora 2?
Pekora herself is Pekora 3 or 4 or whatever. Ever since Fubuki debuted as part of the first proper Hololive gen Hololive has had a succession of special talents who have been responsible for the group's miraculous growth. Fubuki, Aqua, Korone, Miko, Pekora, Marine, Suisei, Coco, remove any of those from Hololive's history and chances are they would be in a very different state today.

>>76756332
>do you believe that if Gura streamed five days a week, every week,
She did this for 2 years and had the same numbers she has now
She stopped streaming for 2 years and she has the exact same numbers as before
You are literally guessing that the numbers would be different when nothing points to that being the case (b-b-b-but comeback buff, are you retarded? she has had about 15 return streams to the point she doesn't even label them return streams, and that's ignoring the fact there's hundreds of vtubers that stream with the same regularity that she does, some of them even hololive members, and none of them incline from coming back, at most they'll have higher numbers for a couple of streams, but it quickly stops working after the first couple of return streams, unless they were super sick/insert random story arc here/ for more than half a year (like miko), which wasn't gura's case)

>>76756880
No, it’s a simple acknowledgment that what Gura has done can’t really be repeated. Numbers beget numbers, and Gura got the most numbers at the most critical time to get them, and the ball keeps rolling.

Found a video of that leech Ironmouse dancing to Marine and Kobo's song
https://www.tiktok.com/@mikuto1128/video/7373214551472393489

>Pekora 2
Gura 2 when?

>>76757363
Buy an ad! Merely throwing an insult won't mask the fact you are willingly advertising it

>>76756957
I can't because most of Pekora fans required 6 year to reach 18 years old,some even longer

>>76755654
The wheels for EN4 were set in motion last year. So yeah it would be really.
Whether we get an EN5 or not is probably already decided to

>>76757293
Cover would kill for Cookieswirl joining Hololive since she's massively popular with kids and that's the kind of demographic they'd want to aim for.

>>76756856
its just playing video games, dancing and singing. Even entry level jobs is more demanding

>>76757330
Its really funny how every other streamer declines over time, even if they try their hardest at inclining, but somehow gura just is the exception
Explain to me, oh sister, didn't Miload have 20k viewers back in the day?
What numbers does he have now? Don't numbers beget numbers? Surely he must have at least as much as he had in his peak?
No? Surely he must have at least 50% right?

>>76756910
Tencent asked Cover to shill their game - not as a sponsorship, but as a favor since they have been giving Cover multiple perms despite being CN so far. Cover told them "Sure, leave it to us" and Tencent was happy thinking that they are going to get gachafags like FBK or Suisei playing it.
...Then they realized that Cover left it to the homos and Iofi.

>>76756665
Because Cover themselves are retard af and gets saved by the Girls and their fans constantly

>>76757368
Their daughters.

>>76754860
Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha.Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha.
Hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahahaHahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha hahaha. Holokeks. Cum eating cuckolds BBC hololive simps. Brown and ESL.

>>76757463
>...Then they realized that Cover left it to the homos and Iofi.
This is headcannon but DAMN, every single instance of these paints Tanigo as a RUTHLESS businessman always seven parallel universes ahead!

Good numbers even considering debut buff, isn't this normally a 2view/borderline 3view corpo?

>>76757330
This. Even in dumb business language, you had the perfect SWOT.
>design, talents
>response by retards, other corpos
>lockdowns, vtuber boom, china
>china, youtube
Gura had great strengths during the time with biggest opportunities, and the success pretty much helped nullify the threat of retards and china, with youtube offering minimal interference at the time.

>>76757554
her RM was pretty big before graduating

>>76757554
PixelLink seems to be growing kinda nicely for a very small corp
From what I've seen they are also unichad friendly and there's extremely little involving males, I like it

>>76757524
Based and redpilled fellow NijiGods always win baybeeee.

>>76757229
For months now, I don't remember when exactly we learned about it.
There is a screenshot of someone testing it with premium and then joining a livestream while not even being logged in, and only in second case counting as a view, and they ask YouTube what's up with that. Other people also reporting that. Apparently YouTube even detects if you keep the video on second monitor, and then doesn't count you either, but this one sounds so extreme I still doubt it.

>>76756658
Thank you, chatgpt! No one has ever thought of doing these things.

>>76757554
could be elden ring buff + memorial day buff but this is strong for a small corpo and a euro streamer

>>76757524
Holokeks return to China like söyboys redditors.

>>76757583
how big?

>>76757579
Wait, I'm as retarded as the model, the ones on the second line should go to the last, and the second line should be
>burnout, personal matters

>>76757583
she was like 100-200 ccv

Here are some more Holo cosplay sightings, this time on Tokyo Nipponbashi (street fiesta)
Along with the unavoidable Marine there is this Towa and, yeah, for some reason this outfit of hers is FUCKING POPULAR with girls and with cosplayers.
I don't get it, why is it so popular with those segments?

>>76757460
It's like sisters refuse to believe that the reason gura is the exception is that she just is that good. Like i understand it being hard to cope, but you've got the numbers right in front of you, she literally is the exception to the entire vtuber scene, at some point you have to stop coping, because every other "characteristics" that you can point out is responsible for her success other vtubers have (being in a company, debuting around covid, being a woman, having a loli model, being blue, singing well, not being in a company, not streaming much, streaming much, being popular at some stage, being shilled by X group of people, etc etc etc). The only thing that other vtubers out there don't have (in their hordes of thousands) is that they aren't her
The reason she's an exception is her personality, and its absurd that you are still coping about this sort of thing 4 years past her debut

>>76756464
>Aqua got 30k with rarity buff
>Aqua did not get 30k with intermittent streaming when no one knew what to expect
>Aqua gets 30k now that she streams every day

>>76757669
But always Holokeks are söyboys redditors niggerfaggots.

>>76757656
pixellink will realise that the way forward in europe is autistic nordic girls

>>76757714
>not streaming much, streaming much
I love how this makes sense. She streamed a lot, but not for long, so people could catch up.

>>76757621
Been at least a year now

>>76757330
Faggots like you will literally do anything but admit Gura is popular because people like her.

>>76757645
Post your pits

>wojak
>pepe
>off topic
>polshit
Nice NA hours bro

>>76757582
Yagoo must be like
>he reached 100K? prepare two more homoEN groups... NOW! HURRY!

>You can embed your Spotify numbers and bot it
Just found out about this

>>76757722
Yes and if she keeps that up long enough, people will forget that there was a time she wasn't as reliable and invest more and will reach 40k or 50k

>>76757656
Eurobros always wanted good, likable vtubers.
Sorry that giving them one mediocre option made all shareholders think "nah let's not".

>>76757607
I saw Lottie's Minecraft waiting room like 20 minutes before stream, and she was at 330 waiting, dunno what were her final numbers because I went to sleep shortly after, but with waiting room like that I would expect flirting with 1k+

>>76757737
I can smell the stench of Surströmming in you, swedenlad.
Anyway, I could see a gen of five nordic girls
>One from Sweden, one from norward, one from denmark, one from finland and one from iceland
doing well in Hololive
>AS LONG AS THEY ALL WOULD SPEAK ENGLISH PRIMARILY AND THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE SECOND
Think of Nord Kaelas

If Cover is planning to scale back on new vtubers, that makes DEVIS seem even weirder. A separate group with one gen, maybe two? Might as well have officially made them JP7 since they basically are anyways.

>>76757621
That was CCVID era. I don't think I've seen any updated testing, but I do clearly recall that people isolated that CCVID was culling Premium users irrespective of other possibilities, meaning the cull was based on some kinda independent flagging that Premium wasn't affecting. However, that testing also revealed that Adblock had no affect on cull status either...and that's likely way out of date with how aggressively Google's been trying to kill Adblock lately.

>>76757808
yagoo is the type of japanese man to force his wife and daughters to eat the leftovers in the kitchen...

>>76756957
JP0 to JP3 is like the Attitude Era. They dont need to find another Stone Cold or The Rock, they need to find John Cena

lol

>>76757881
BASED! He better have them cook anyway

So is Advent EN's designated Action Gen?
https://youtu.be/UQBoJZO8JcQ?si=ncpshEHA38dPhscj

>>76756397
Suisei didn't blow up in TikTok or YT Shorts as hard as Marine did

>>76757839
Im an eurobro, i never lacked a good vtuber

>>76756654
>>76756770
>>76756893
>>76757307
>>76757315
>She did this for 2 years and had the same numbers she has now
Let's look at the last month that she had at least 20 streams in a single month:
>Monthly average: 19,569.8 CCV
>Monthly median: 17,020.5 CCV

If you want to go "BUT MUH CULL", then let's go to a few months prior before CCVID happened, with 15 streams in the same month:
>Monthly average: 21,915.0 CCV
>Monthly median: 21,362 CCV

Her normal numbers are NOT 30k+ a night. There is absolutely a buff phenomenon to reducing your number of streams to only once or twice a month, because people who would have normally watched you sometimes but not every single night will still go out of their way to watch you if you're only going to exist once a month. Hell, *I* watch Gura's once-a-month streams when I would not be a regular daily viewer of hers for that exact reason. If she were overlapping a girl I like more and both streamed regularly, I would choose the other girl in that overlap instead, but because my oshis will stream multiple times a week and Gura will not, I end up choosing Gura in that situation.

Again, I feel like all of this is very simple and basic logic.

>>76757950
RORU
it was obvious though

>>76757950
shocking

>>76757902
"They" can yap as much as they want, but in the end still get mogged hard by an Indo women being autistic in MC. Kek.

>>76757950
is she actually going back to starbucks?

>>76757950
>ISRAEL
EN3

>>76757945
Give me another run of hats Mumei I missed my shot

>>76757176
brown people gods aren't real mudslime

>>76757950
what is this, the 150th gura killer?
Well throw it into the pile

>>76757950
she really did her obligated goals from her subathon and then bounced

https://x.com/idol_corp/status/1795140451281817965
https://x.com/idol_corp/status/1795140451281817965
https://x.com/idol_corp/status/1795140451281817965
LOL

>>76757330
>Numbers beget numbers, and Gura got the most numbers at the most critical time to get them, and the ball keeps rolling
This is ignoring the fact that Fauna did incline, and the rest of Myth never kept the ball rolling.

>>76757950
I guess her new fans didn't manage to fund her lifestyle

>>76757950
>donothon the day before graduating
The jokes write themselves

>>76757950
Ryebros, we are so back...

>>76756279
Damn zeta voice is too cute…. Why did god give her the ID debuff? If only she been a CGDCT from the ENbranch

>>76757950
Literal who? And why should i care?

>>76757988
Are you retarded? Why are you talking about her pre uncull numbers. Do you just..not know about the uncull?

>>76758054
what's she up to nowadays?

>>76757950
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>76757950
Idol is fucking imploding.

>>76757926
At least Biboo positioned herself as a fighter from the beginning. Little rock girl who wants to have an epic anime fight with all the senpais.

>>76757950
The curse is real.

>>76757831
I mean she will need to do things that appeal to more people to expand that audience but you literally cannot do that if you do not stream, she inclined recently from boxpushing and leeching nousagis, that doesnt happen if she streams 1 time playing some horror kusoge during that week of minecraft
Gura does have a problem in that the EN box is almost useless to her because she is that much larger than it but she cannot grow without being there

>>76758054
Damn this is the 1st time I see a Gura killer fucking die

>>76757950
NO! NOT YUKO!

>>76757950
That shit was telegraphed from a mile away

>>76758123
Streaming on her RM for awhile now

Are the remaining Idol girls safe or is there more yabs cooking?

>>76757950
uh Ryeschizo?

>>76757950
remember when people wanted her for EN3 but then in idol she got revealed to be a genuinely terrible person

>>76758183
Wasn't Ky0resu another Gura killer?

>>76757950
She's the girl that stopped doing GFE content and abandoned all her old fans right?

>>76758154
Nah, not anymore than before. Writing has been on the wall for her for ages.

>>76757950

>>76758154
>one menhera schizo that doesn't know what she wants and shot herself in the foot throwing in the towel means the corpo is imploding

>>76757950
A year and a half.

>>76757950
Momo will be next
Total Loli Death

>>76758121
Who else do you want to talk about using numbers from three plus years ago to claim they should be the exact same in 2024?

>>76757950
>5 day donothon into graduation
SHE'S STOCKPILING FUNDS FOR EN4!

>>76757950
At this point I genuinely believe only JP chuuba can make it past year 3 and still being active. EN chuuba either stop streaming regularly or just graduate at like year 2

>>76757539
So the homo is the trash bin where they dump undesirable perm into?

>>76758274
Bingo. She'll do IRL VLogs now! That didn't turn out well.

>>76758216
the Korean who never streamed in gen2 is probably kill as well, theres PLbaiting by the rest but nothing confirmed

>>76757950
“I’ll be streaming with my boyfriend on my original channel now! Look forward to unhinged streams with my dorky boyfriend! tee-hee Please call him daddy, chat.”

>>76758266
Pretty much the fate of all [Girl]schizo wanting them in hololive, I have only see it be successful once.

>>76758216
Momo still needs to go

>>76758332
More than that, he sent the whole army of homos to destroy the indie and phase girls

>>76758103
>>76758322
Read. It's just a marathon stream to send herself off.

>>76758272
>”OMG COVER MISSED HUGE OPPORTUNITY NOT GETTING THE NEXT RUSSIAN GURA”
Unironically she was being held up like the next Gura by idol fags when they grabbed her

>>76758330

>>76758295
I mean, they also have someone who is MIA who is very likely to be graduating too.

Thoughts & prayers 4 /ope/
Small population means that thread gets sent into a tailspin whenever anything happens

>>76757950
For old times sake

>>76758395
Nah it is a previous donothon goal, yes you read it right one of the goals of the donothon was another donothon
She is doing all the goals so she can keep the money