/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Man...

Who cheats at Pokemon sleep

>>76276518

!

Imagine the horrendous gas

>>76276518
My dorky wife IRyS.

Anon kun the RE1 remake was released over 20 years ago, the GameCube version is a remake of the original PS1 game

>>76276844
My fault, old fart

Poor IRyS, left in a cold, cruel Carlos-less world...

God, don't make me jealous of fucking Carlos, IRyS

Carlos, Pater
I can't forgive them.

re8 is so dogshit it's almost a joke

I'm Carlos

Carlos has facial hair btw

You heard it folks just be a 6'5 giga chad hispanic to be IRyS's type

>>76277293
Women don't know what they want

i wasnt able to watch IRyS' monhun arc in its entirety
what is the connection between IRyS and the poogie?

>>76277332
I'm in

>>76277377
Poogie is cute, IRyS was gushing over him

>>76277332
>6'5"
>hispanic
Probably the most unbelievable thing about that series. I'm not jealous btw

>>76277489
Shut up whiteRyStocrat.

>>76277489
Hes 5’9”

IRyS should milk Kronii's udders and turn them to cheese

Happy IRyS gives me a boner

>>76277489
I've seen some absolute unit beans before, terrifying to encounter in the wild.

shes ovulating right

>halo hilo
we dodged a bullet

We would've been /halo/

new alternate timeline just dropped

>>76277669
Literally just started.

God bless AneRyS and whichever staff told her to stop talking like that.

The most frustrating thing is IRyS 100% loves men with hair. And I'm bald.

>>76277769
Be bald just don't be balding

>>76277769
women find bald sexy its genetic

>>76277669
You can hear it in her breaths

this stream is fucking me up man

This game can't be good for her mental health.

>"It's getting hot in here."
So take off all your clothes!

Welp, I'll see you guys in hell.

HIRYS ASS MENTION

>butt hurts
she has no ass...

outlineRyS my beloved..

warioware mention when i posted the webm last thread
coincidence?

>>76276844
Are we seriously getting to the point where people think remakes are originals
That's depressing

Lies...

>fiction disclaimer
No... I can't be IRyS' yandere boyfriend...

I mean, if men can like crazy snatch, girls can like insane dicks

What is wrong with her?

>>76278479
I was 15 seconds away from sending a super when she said that :'(

shes behaving like a lonely hag today

>>76278582
You think this is bad wait till next year.

She's so cute today

>>76278582
>today

>>76278627
Three oh, huh?

>>76278582
>he thinks she's lonely

>>76278582
yeah reminds me of Marines low energy streams

>>76278661
>today

Nothing wrong with liking stuff in fiction only. I like femboys and futa but I'm not gay

>>76278694
Oh God, I can't even imagine that

Yeah she's insanely fucking lonely

>>76278772
You're gay

>>76278761
Especially today. Fuck I love her

RPRyS my erotic beloved

she's really horny today

IRyS is having impure thoughts about men again!

>>76278772
You're a woman

>>76278772
Futa on girl is great

>>76278893
It's really not

>>76278858
Yeah me

>>76278582
for some reason that makes me really horny

I can be your yandere oniichan sensei, IRyS. I even have the criminal record to prove it.

>>76278857
>today

Abe, in your honor, I will fly to Japan and marry this lonely woman...

IRyS looks very creampieable today

>>76279029
>today

Ice is just time-release water.

>>76279029
>today

Flare please take her out more often

IRyS is the type of girl to pay $12 for a cup of ice

>>76279005
Abe doesn't want you. He wants Japanese men impregnating Japanese women.

>>76279005
No, you won't. She's mine.

>>76279029
>implying not everyday

>>76279114
Yeah, meaning it waters down your drink and makes it taste nasty. I always order my soda with no ice too.

>>76279029
By me.

Wtf is IRyS saying

Oh God, now she's hitting on the ball.

Is she.. y'know?..

shes saying the opposite of what she wants to

>>76279227
They can ice my water, but that's it.

>>76279329
She is extremely y'know.

I miss that little guy...

What's with femRyStocrats? do they find her cute or they want to fuck her like we do?

She’s kinda tired today

>masturbating

Can I tell her I'm masturbating while watching the stream?

>Tell onee-chan
jeezas, my...

>>76279504
both

>>76279574
We call it tinkering now...

Edging to her voice

>GOONING
>EDGING
kek

>>76279504

people actually do other things? i just watch her

>>76279664
The majority of people are doing something else anon

>>76279664
It depends on what she's doing. Stuff like this doesn't really require full attention.

>fucking

Another one

Fuckin' squish those lemons.

>>76279029
>low energy creampies
based

Pfft Irys worst rage is less severe than Kronii whining on an average day

IRyS is literally suffering through a game she hates and then she thinks people would be bothered if she swore in this situation

Hey, look. It's this faggot again

>>76280065
A COP

>>76280042
Her seiso side is driving today

>Sissy pussy

'sup bitches

>>76279664
Anon. She does seven to eight hour streams. I HAVE to.

I know this is typical but man it fucking blows we can't get her outta the funk

Android fags, I agree with you but she's never going to see the light

XR? Goddamn. iOS 18 prob gonna make that fucker obsolete

she needs a good dicking (by me)

>>76280372
I honestly think her bottling in the rage is just making it worse right now

>>76280398
Does it have split-screen yet?

>>76280244
yea mine

milkRyS.....

Did she just wonder how milk comes out?

>>76280622
Heimin...

Why is she like this

her womb is crying out

Milkies

You see, when a man really loves a woman (that's you)…

I can't even remember what area she started the stream in at this point.

She's thinking about thos milkers

more zanny...

>>76280798
i am too

https://youtu.be/VjLObMeO7IA
this isn't funny at all

>>76280906
IRyS is a woman

>>76280939
No, she's like a middle schooler, dumb high schooler at best.

>>76280805
She can't stop thinking of him. I hope they collab

>>76280994
perfect

>>76281266
kys

>>76281266
I hope your penis falls of in your sleep

>>76280994
Hot

She's so smart

>>76281360
That's clearly a woman. I hope nobody moisturizes her cave vagiy

Cheebs could easily sweep a minefield by rolling across it

The pistons are LITERALLY clipping through the seesaw that is some bullshit

there she goes...

That was a really dumb mistake, she kept pushing it sideways even though she needed to left go and run in front of it.

She really loves pushing the rock to the side and not repositioning the player

>>76281762
>>76281766
Her mistake was wasting her time with a shitty asset flip rage bait game.

we could have had a kino COD stream instead of this

I am so happy we got this over a COD stream

>>76281896
This but Splintercell

>>76281807
That sounds alot like Shit Hunter.

we could have had a kino MMZ3 stream instead of this

So, she's done if this keeps up, right?

>>76281963
Yeah, exactly what you do on a daily basis if you think this low effort garbage is any better than MonHun.

>>76282108
It's better because there's no skill needed. Any time she needs to think is bad for the stream

What would you do to cheer IRyS up after this stream?

>>76282227
i would impregnate her and take responsibility

>>76282171
Oh yeah, and accomplishing fuck all for 3 hours is such a great way to spend your time.

Punished IRyS; a woman denied her cheese.

>>76282227
be her dildo while she reads her male yandere webtoons

wat

>Bae likes Monhun world Rise was just particularly shit and gave a bad impression
>Wants to catch up to IRyS and Bijou
Collabs pretty much locked in

do not reply

>>76282573
Bae played Rise before and hated it?

>>76282614
2 years ago

>>76282573
weird, I usually see people prefer Rise. But cool to see she liked it, would love to see a collab with those 3 at some point, or at least Bae and IRyS so IRyS can try to show off(and fail at it for the pure kino)

>>76282289
The best way. If you don't want to chill out with her then don't watch

>>76282614
Over 2 years ago and part of that was her first time playing was a collab and the others sat to the side for a fight and tried to let her solo it despite having no idea how to play video games in general.

>>76282614
She just got her ass beat for a couple of hours while Ina, Sana and Kronii laughed

>>76282773
She's gotten so much better at games since then, playing today she fucking wrecked the early monsters and adapted to playing dual blades very quickly

sour dough bread and whole grain bread isn't bad for you
it's american sugar bread that's poison

also slathering it in sugary jam and stuff

>>76282735
I've seen shit taste that's better than yours.

She said 7 is the latest she can go today right?

cute stretchRyS

>>76282992
If you think Monster Hunter is better than this then you're the one with shit taste.

She's lovely today.

it's called attention whoring

>>76283233
She's lovely every day regardless of the game, you damn anti.

She progressed better when she shuts up

>>76283316
That's not what I said. You're the anti if you're not happy to listen to her

>>76283355
I'm not the one who litters the thread with MonHun seethe even when she's not playing the game, fucktard.

>>76283437
You're the one that replied to somebody else with your shit opinion in the first place. That wasn't me.

I'm loving this.

>>76283530
Can't wait to see your scheduled seethe spam again when she goes back to playing actual decent games.

>>76283713
Unlike you I don't complain about IRyS.

As long as she's great I'm great.
If a shit game takes that out of her then yes, that's disappointing.

>>76283826
>Unlike you I don't complain about IRyS.
roru. rumao even.

But Suzaki and Euphie were just Kira and Lacus, except extra retarded..

>>76283233
>She's lovely today.
You sound like the kind of person that calls her "dear" in all of your chat comments.

>>76283845
Never have and never will.
IRyS is the most perfect woman.

Tourist here, just rewound to the last fall or whatever you call it. I love retarded girls

>>76283907
Until she plays a game that you hate, that is.

>>76283900
What is wrong with how I call IRyS "dear" in chat?

just tune in who the fuck is suzaku?
also bae hate!

>>76283942
The game isn't IRyS.

Fuck off Bae

owarida...

>>76283927 (me)
oh for fucks sake

She just... can't get past there, huh.

>>76283969
Is this bait or are you an actual child

She was clearing that really fast last time

SHE HATE US

>>76283988
Keep playing dumb, reddit cunt.

>>76284046
She's rushing and she refuses to stop pushing the ball when she needs to start running backwards instead, like just now.

>>76284103
I don't even use Reddit. Fuck off, if you don't want to be with her. She's better than the game she plays.

>>76284278

>>76284253
>if you don't want to be with her
You sound so fucking pathetic.

>>76284253
Again, until she starts playing a game that you hate.

>>76284366
>hating things
you sound like a bitch

>>76277332
6’1 lean(ish) bean, i hate you for giving me hope when nothing will come of it T~T

>>76284359
I'm better than you.
>>76284366
There's nothing worse than a shit game that stops her from being able to be herself

Why does she make it sound like she went to college?

I love IRyS so much. She is so cute.

>>76284448
>My life is only complete if IRyS is talking to me
>Yeah that's right she's talking specifically to me when she does zatsu
This is what you sound like every time she plays a game you don't like.

>>76284418
I'm not the one who got mindbroken by the monster game.

>>76284448
And that obviously includes all the games that you can't stop seething about. That's just lovely, isn't it?

>>76284480
she went to a prep school
i went to a public school and still had to rent a ti-84

>>76284528
I love IRyS. I fail to see the problem with that.
>>76284535
There's nothing wrong with disliking shit.

Will IRyS start her villain arc this stream?

>>76284626
that was kronii

>>76284571
You dislike anything she does that isn't specifically talking.

>>76284551
If she went to college it must have been in JP because her English is like a 14yo

I've been trying to figure out why this stream is so good. Then I realized it's just like with GOI. Rage games turn off the JP part of her brain. Shes barely spoken JP at all and JOPs are getting ignored for once.

She knows all of the holo songs by heart but she still refuses to sing them on stream for some reason

>>76284535
>I'm not the one who got mindbroken by the monster game.
yea, he's a bitch too

Oh great, another subhuman entered the ring.

not looking good bros

>eops are not antis btw

>>76284645
That's not true. I just don't like shit.

>>76284653
too troublesome asking for karaoke from other holomem and manager. She sang bibbidiba because there's a karaoke already available

>>76284571
>There's nothing wrong with disliking shit.
yeah, if you're a BITCH

wow I hate IRyS now

>>76284707
We're literally her core audience. If you don't like it you can leave.

>>76284654
RetardRyS my beloved

>>76284741
I'm not bitch, it's perfectly normal to not like everything, especially some really grindy shit that requires intense focus from her and that half the time she can't even do without help anyway.

>>76284736
Meanwhile even a homo can get access to her songs because they're not technically hers. Fucking lovely.

>>76284736
>>76284781
Is that legit? I think she just doesn’t want to because she’d feel bad about dunking on the OG singer

>>76284779
If you can't enjoy IRyS overcoming a challenge you don't deserve your precious zatsu streams.

>>76284848
If she needs help that's not her overcoming jack shit. It's not fun.

This on the other hand is great.

>>76284847
That's stupid because AZKi sings everyone's songs and no one has a problem with it.

the GAYser area

>>76284873
She's been soloing almost everything in Monster Hunter except when she farms stuff she's already killed. Why even dance around it when it's obvious you hate it when she doesn't just talk all stream.

I'm a gazer, I gaze at IRyS.

>>76284779
yea, you're sounding like a bitch right now instead of just enjoying your oshi

>>76284960
I'm not dancing around it. Watch more streams. If she needs help farming hen that's not fun. It's too grindy and boring and drawers too much energy from her. She can't do anything else through no fault of her own. It's bad game design. It may be fine for you and me but not for a streamer.

>>76284974
I'm enjoying her very much right now.

Why are these two just arguing over IRyS stream?

>>76285010
its fun to hop in a hunt with viewers

>>76285030
Because he can't accept that I love her more than shit games

>>76285010
God you're such a whiny bitch. I'm sure you absolutely won't shit up the thread next gaming stream crying about how she isn't talking directly to you.

>>76284899
if it’s not that, then we need to be blowing up Cover’s emails and tell them her manager is a useless cunt

>>76285038
No, it's not. It's extremely boring to watch, mindnumbingly so

sukumizu is peak japanese culture

>>76285049
This game is trash, who wants to see her suffering every 10 minutes.

>>76285067
its fun

>>76285050
I'm not even fucking whining. I love her. Maybe you should fuck off.

>>76285073
me

>>76285073
The game isn't the point. It could just as easily not be there. I like IRyS.

She’s talking about cute little girls again

>>76285070
It's literal perfection.

little girls arent wearing sukumizu anymore… japan has fallen

>>76285079
It's not. It's extremely shit to watch.

>>76285117
The only alternative is nude

>>76285117
Abe would have prevented this

femRyStocrat feet..

>>76285084
But only when she's doing certain streams right?

>>76285117
abe is literally suffering after hearing that

>>76285141
I like her always. If a shit game is a detriment to her then I'm not going to like that.

>>76285104
You forgot the "when she's not playing something that hate" at the end there.

Do you think IRyS likes little girls?

SisyphRyS...

>>76285117
What are they wearing instead. Google isn't helping

>>76285169
I still like her even if a shit game is draining her concentration

think of the children!

>>76285166
Funny because you're the only one that seems to think it's a detriment.

she wants children...

>>76285179
yes, we gush over them and take panty shots of them together

>Think about the baseball..the children!
UOHHHHHHHHH

>>76285223
I'm not the only one. I wasn't even the one that brought it up in the first place

"Think of the children IRyS!" *Visibly wet through her casual dress*

>>76285179
Did you forget the Nobeta streams?

SHE HATES HER FANGS

>>76285201
irys said boys and girls wear the same thing now, apparently they look like ninjas now (idk what that means)

It felt like she was hitting the safe spot nearly every time last stream but she keeps missing it tonight

>>76285244
SNIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFF

>>76285279
full wetsuit i assume

>>76285278
The game is poorly made trash with fake physics. The ball should not be gravitating toward the middle for no reason, especially not if it gets stuck on the side somewhere.

IRyS with her bad takes...

That makes my teeth hurt just to hear.

god i want irys to bite me, i look similar to carlos I JUST NEED A CHANCE…

she keeps whining about her design...

>>76285341
git gud pussy

>>76285279
It's a government conspiracy to train a new generation of assassins

IRyS has been hanging out with Flare too much... starting to hate her own design...

>>76285374
Post your clear.

>>76285373
3.0 with tongue onegai

>>76285381
ITS A CONSPIRACY!

>>76285084
nta but I agree with him that you're a little bitch

>>76285084
Then you should fuck off too.
Any game that requires too much concentration that takes away from her being a personality is not fun to watch.

honestly i don't get her hate towards her bottom fangs
hell they don't even get in the way

>>76285201
>>76285279

>>76285500
They're destroying Japanese culture...

>fussy

she really does just say whatever she wants huh

>>76285500

>>76285500
abe wept

>>76285500
Imagine having to wear 1900's swimsuits again, in the summer.

>>76285500
>japan bans ponytails exposing girls erotic nape
>bans sukumizu exposing girls erotic figure
japan has fallen…

>>76285604
You fucked up

>>76285500
>let's delay the sexual awakening of our youth even more
Japan is accelerating their own extinction

>>76285619
and when global temperatures are rising with each year...

>>76285584
The Nephilim does what the Nephilim wants

>>76285500
It'll probably be pants next...

Male swimwear challenge should be national standard

i hated chimeria

>>76285566
Imagine if only Japan lost in 1945. Germany would lose eventually but only after fully taking care of the “problem” that lead to this.

>>76285705
You shouldn't post those nice tits. You know she regrets that

oh no she has bad taste

>>76285725
Kiarafags should suffer

>>76285705
I want to know the story of this picture.

This instrumental rendition of Play Dice sounds better than the original

>>76285830
I got too drunk

>IRyS choosing which manga to read next

>>76285817
too scared to post in global?

>>76285854
>I

>>76285817
Kiarafags aren't nearly as mentally insane as some of the others here

>>76285861
If she didn't consume content so quickly she'd still have good manga to read...

>>76285876
Did i stutter

Kronii hasn't killed herself yet?

>>76285915
Yes, because you're drunk.

I wonder if she was part of it or if she forget the karaoke with Nene.

>>76285931
She'll do it if you do it

>>76285931
Kronii is a narcissist, she would never.

>>76285886
I think I should start watching IRyS streams at x1.25 speed.

>>76285951
She mentally thinks of Kronii as more than just another holomem

IT SHOULDVE BEEN ME NOT KRONII T~T

>>76285987
>She mentally thinks
No, she doesn't.

IRyS saves her throat for me!

managing IRyS’ cables…

>>76285987
>headcanon

>>76285931
>>76285972
I thought her menhera shit was a meme, even when she gets depressed and shit, then she just went full-on austist (paraphrased) “i don’t want anyone’s help, not even my own mother when i got surgery, because i wanna do it myself and don’t want to owe people things” and I was like jesus christ we can’t fix her

>>76286088
holy fuck she's just like me...

IRyS jfc

>>76286114
same...

>>76286088
dont watch kronii, gimme more menhera moments, its insanely erotic…

>>76286088
That's cute.

>>76286147
Ask /inf/

If there was any doubt she's a brocon this just cleared them

all these yandere male manga are isekai/reincarnations. really makes you think

>>76286192
that brother? Me

>>76286192
You can't be a brocon or a siscon without either.

You know I am quite certain it's the shitposters bringing up Kronii here and then start with this shit loop again
>>76286088
I mean didn't a Kronie tell us that she was molested by her uncle or something?
Of that's true, I too would hate my family

>>76286114
>>76286143
Keep in mind that discussion started when she was complaining about her karaoke reverb and then she said she loves IRyS’s reverb and chat was like “did you ask her what she does” and she was like “no I don’t want to copy her homework, I need to figure it out myself”

>>76286201
I have an impression MOST mangas are some sort of isekai now.

>>76286236
IRyS talked about her first nigga

>>76286236
>didn't a Kronie tell us that she was molested by her uncle or something?
Alright, that explains why she hate males ogling at her boobs

>>76286246
WTF... she REALLY is like me... gfdi..

Korean mangos are more interesting than jap ones now

>I’m gonna concentrate
Scarier words have never been uttered on this channel.

>>76286147
She hates her tits and anyone bringing them up, not to mention sandwiches driving her up the wall.

i shouldve been born as irys’s brother, i want her to become yandere for me…

>>76286236
>didn't a Kronie tell us that she was molested by her uncle or something?
Wait, really?

>>76286321
fiction...

>>76286311
The only korean mangoes I read are the porn ones because the art is always top tier and fully colored

>>76286316
Then she tweets "Booba" because she's fucking hilarious

>>76286335
it's the story for most women who end up as dykes

>>76286343
Yeah... fiction...

What would it be like being a younger brother of IRyS?

ugh its 4 am i gotta go to sleep!

As a staright male who is also a single child, I dont know what it feels like to have people staring at your private parts. So I don't blame Kronii

if she whispered onii-chan into my ear while we were love-making I would turn into a dehydrated fruit

>>76286396
molested

>>76286382
>Boy molested by male
gay
>Girl molested by male
Also gay
HŒH?

>Hold on to the ball
Yeah. My ball

>>76286433
Yeah you do, all girls check out guys dicks dude have you not noticed that when in sweats or something?

>>76286382
I don't think we should shit on her for that then
>>76286396
She will spoil me all the time

>>76285861
>re-read the entire manga in a couple days a few days ago
>still my favorite manga
>literally no one but me has ever read it
Feels fucking bad man.

>>76286396
she’d want to explore my body when shes middle school aged

>>76286396
you would of been raped daily

>>76286396
I wouldn’t be a virgin

>>76286536

>>76286641
>that's everyone I recommend it to
Thanks now I feel even worse.

>>76286641
Fuck off, you Part III Dio wannabe.

>>76286375
How do kronies even deal with this walking bipolar disorder?

>>76286536
I read this before!! I love this artist art so much. It so detailed

>>76286641
which luci clone is this

>>76286666
dont worry anon i will read it! ^p^

>>76286692
Those things are why they like her

I'm going to get used to 8 hour long x1.25 IRyS streams, and then she'll sound weird live.

>>76286641
back to the void with ye

>>76286721
God...

i want irys to take advantage of me as her younger brother… but having her as a younger sister would be just as, maybe even more amazing…maybe

>>76286536
fine I will read this later

>>76286536
>implying I would reveal my powerlevels to another ojisan

>>76286696
The original clone.

>IRyS is playing the rock game
>she's not playing rock music
???

>>76285849

>>76286536
Emma is soooooooo good. Shirley was also cute too.

>>76286870
threatening aura

IRyStocrats are so supportive to each other.

She's completely forgotten how to control the ball.

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/118922787

>>76286951
IRyS would never forget how to handle balls. Even if she got amnesia, her body remembers.

I'm starting to think she might not read supers...

>>76287003
It's becoming too common.

>>76287043
at least pretend you're watching streams

>>76285705
Nice

>>76286721
Yagoo saw something in the menhera chicken lady. Highest SC/sub ratio in Myth. Then you have Gura, who is blue. People like blue girls. So what if we combine menhera with blue? So we got Kronii and Nerissa. (Unfortunately that didn’t pan out…Fauna and Fuwamoco have the best ratios)

IRyS, your lip cream is inside my weiner.

>>76287075
I don't think yagoo is retarded enough to think we needed more kiara

she has read my messages for more than 20x now. this is dangerous lads I don't want to get raped

>>76287109
The homos exist.

she wants to know more about me… this is awesome

Wake up in the morning beating women and having sex with children like P Diddy

>>76287133
They don't exist to make money

>>76287075
SCs:subs ratio sounds useless

>McDonalds mention
AIEE IRYS IS PARTICIPATING IN GENOCIDE

>>76287164
So Cover is investing time and resources on something useless?

>>76287190
Hi! You must be new here!

>>76287003
My jokes definitely would have cheered her up and brightened her entire day, sad :(

>>76287213
That was rhetorical.

>>76287253
Blow it out your ass

>>76287292
How about no?

Yay, my cap and GuyRyS necklace just got delivered

>>76287075
>Then you have Gura, who is blue.
>So what if we combine menhera with blue?
Ironically enough Gura, who knows what happened to her but she wasn't the same (pun not intended) after her PC died while streaming Sonic frontiers. I'm grateful IRyS is too dumb for mental breakdowns.

>>76287379
Hi you must be new here

>>76287075
>Nerissa
There isn't anything wrong with her though, her music is doing the best of her gen and rising, people like her, decent female fanbase. Sure she is a dork, but they are all dorks. Thought that was why we like them.

>>76287414
Blow it out your ass

>>76287379
Her problems started after mori's surprise dox party

>>76287441
The what?

>>76287430
go shill your nijiwhore somewhere else

>>76287430
I like rissa, I've busted a few nuts to lewds of her

>>76287467
>>76287441
I'd this the one where Gura had to physically lock herself in the room?

>>76287509
yeah.

Am i reading catalog posts from 2 years ago

>>76287527
Yep

>>76287162
Puff didi only good song was "come with me" and only because of "Kashmir".

>>76287527
bot posting

that area was like level 10 edging

lets go left
*takes the right path*

The same mistake again.

the moment it misses the save point its all over