/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Next tie I will just post first cover I find instead of searching for something decent
By the way, check out this cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOjIuLrLK5o

NoiR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FGbMbAU9OI

https://twitter.com/Shinooo_pp/status/1423770169290084353
She's really streaming Apex on Reality.

>>7591374
Cheering to piano version of Fanfare is an experience

>>7591104
Missed this again:

11/23: VALIS 1st ONE-MAN LIVE https://ubgoe.com/projects/47

>>7594210
>VALIS
>one-man

>>7594404
Hey, Kaf called her's One Mans despite having someone join her on stage everyday except the third, and she's not a man either.

>>7594404
don't ask...
that's what they're calling it on their official twitter
i think everyone just use ONE-MAN to mean solo/stand-alone concert (group or single person)

>>7594404
It's just one of those wasei-eigo things. You pretty much see it all over the place in the Japanese music industry. 13M hits on Google if you search "ワンマンライブ"

>>7591374
She really makes my mornings. Goes well with paperwork and coffee.

Is she fucking have a duet with herself?

>>7596088
Nah, that's from announcement where Idea joined her

Ex Machina streaming https://linkco.re/X5z0s810

Aria piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5HQoGcyOZA

Elira https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv7gWRGtSCE

>>7600966
Pretty blessed setlist so far

>flos was 2018
I don't really follow new vocaloid songs anymore either, unless people pick it up and 1000 covers flood youtube.
I guess I follow KAFU if she counts under 'vocaloid'.

>>7602539
Speaking of KAFU, Aoi Tokimori cover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__muyQHR73E

Among Hachi's colleagues, I know Ruri and Kano. But are the other ones also good singers? Can anyone recommend good songs?

>>7603570
I like these covers from Shino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c7hAqtEepQ&list=PLNeGGc4noXSTNyhk5CBEJGJgR-R7lZU-N
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTEZuokB6jc
I believe she plans on doing regular weekly karaoke -in 10hours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl0CxzCXXoo

>>7603570
aMatsuka: https://youtu.be/8nZn12le4wE
MINASE dodesn't have originals yet but i like her voice in this: https://youtu.be/7sxhhfkVLgg
toto also only doing covers so far and i can't think of one that stood out rn
and >>7604126 already have shino covered

>>7607953
>>7604126
It's been on my mind for a while but do we know how much support RK Music is offering (funds, staff, etc.) vs how much is left to the artist?

Prism Project's Aoi's cover of ココロガール (Fickle Girl)
premiering now
https://youtu.be/__muyQHR73E

>>7602780
Sounds so good

>>7608683
Unknown, really, but they do hold the copyright to Hachi's music, for example, and they're also the company who organized the Imagination vtuber albums so they might operate more like a traditional record label. Conversely, though, Kano tweeted about how she wish she had a marketer, which would imply that they don't have one and that is pretty much the primary function of a record label so it might be much more freeform. I also would assume they are the one who pays for the custom models and rigging if they're tying it to a subscriber milestone.

>>7609800
yeah, seems like a niche record label than anything. they're like USAGI pro.

I was listening to Kaf's cover of 猛独が襲う, and I noticed she doesn't hold notes like mafumafu does, making the song less satisfying. I thought it was a one-time thing, but her cover of Lemon has the same problem. By this point, I honestly think Isekaijoucho may be a better singer than Kaf. Though I admit they both have unique voices that can complement each other well in Kamitsubaki collabs.

I wish Isekaijoucho would do live karaokes weekly like Hachi. At least Hachi is now interacting with Azki and hololive. More people deserve to know about Isekaijoucho.

I told a friend Kaf was one of the best vsingers out there but I actually don't know that many. Are there are any vsingers you consider better or close to her power level?

>>7610272
Kambi seems to want to operate much more like a normal record label where live singing is reserved for concerts and big events they can monetize, rather then seeing it was more or less free marketing. As a fan, it's a shame since more content is always good, but as you can see from how Harusaruhi's output dropped like a rock when she started getting ready for her Live, it's a tradeoff between more regular uploads and big evens that they can put their all into. They're also pretty clearly not practiced streamers, as shown by radio streams which while fun, have a decent amount of dead air despite there being multiple people. I don't think the girls want to do regular streams and instead spend that time working on studio quality stuff and lessons.

>>7610669
This I don't think they're good at streaming just look at the amount of spaghetti dropped when kaf and rim talks during the concert interludes. It's also evident during the monthly kamitsubaki thing. While nice to see as a fan occassionally I don't think its going to be good streaming spaghetti every week.
And yeah the output thing as well, I'd rather them be doing recordings to pump out high quality covers.

Though I think joucho and haru is getting better with their radio broadcast stream. They can potentially add live singing portions there instead of playing the albums? Maybe someone should throw such a suggestion duing the Q&A portion.

>>7610272
Personally I like KAF primarily because of the unique voice. Not to say the rest of the girls don't have unique voices, I think all of them have voices you'd easily identify and stand out.

>>7609546
Aoi's After Party doing acapella stream. Come and take a look in her natural state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSVb0X5VZ1E

>>7610596
Hachi, Kaf and the rest of Kambi Studios, Oni, AZKi, YuNi, Kotone, Aoi, and Vesperbell are all probably good enough that their singing approach and style meshing with your personal tastes and the song matters more then any relatively small difference in skill. There's a whole bunch more who might not be quite as strong all around, but on certain songs are as good if not better. The former are the ones who I think could do a stellar job on any song you give them unless it's the direct opposite of their normal style, like AZKi's attempts Usseewa where she just is never going to have the visceral bite that song calls for.

To be honest I don’t really like KAF. Her songs sound way too samey.

>>7610596
There are the best general singers such as
Hachi - Nada Sousou https://youtu.be/GJ7kXzGwXBs
Oni - First Love https://youtu.be/R6UXzumuvrQ
Isekaijoucho - Tori no Uta https://youtu.be/cLdWfNbBMvc

Then there are those whose live voices can be somewhat imperfect, but their studio covers are spotless.
Leona - Christmas Song https://youtu.be/ftk4DxmmIBY
MiCosmiC - Bloom in the mud https://youtu.be/jnX1QObfiGU
Azki - Beyond the light https://youtu.be/0LGn4esfu2M (biggest studio improvement)

New vsingers to watch out for:
Ratio - My Heart Will Go On https://youtu.be/4AcbqN7JCQs
Idea - Hello World https://youtu.be/0-s1OKOSgzg
Nanamiya - Kimi no Nosete https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQqg0m-Isrc&t=14664s

Best English song singers:
Nina - I Will Wait For You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg30_40RNdo&t=282s
Hana - All I ask of you https://youtu.be/l7dbCnymx2Y ( T_T )

Since I bothered to type this out I think I'll keep it as a recommendation pasta, lol. Though I'm sure to be missing quite a few, like Harusaruhi, Vesperbell black.... I just want to list the knockout songs that occupy my attention.

>>7611087
Does anyone else prefer Aoi's karaoke's to her covers? The covers are great don't get me wrong, but her karaoke really hits different. I can't really put my finger on exactly why though.

https://twitter.com/8HaChi_hacchi/status/1423889204468084737
Nice looking stage there.

>>7611827
Understandable since most of her covers are quite vocaloid based which most don't know. While her karaoke or acapella streams are those songs which people requested or somewhat popular songs.

>>7611883
Reflections look sick in that second shot, though the close up of the actual stage itself reminds me of Vesperbell's with how uncanny it looks for reasons I can't quite put my finger on. Lighting, and how angular things are maybe? Makes sense since they're both being run through Reality's tech most likely.

>>7611995
The stage textures for me

>>7612156
Ah, yea, that's probably the reason. Also, I'm an idiot and just realized the pun on the concert's name being the Beeginning.

>>7612156
don't mind me just completing the collection

>>7611087
>M2M pretty boy
Holy nostalgia

>>7596574
Was going to buy but then looking at the price tag makes me want to cry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONMfPwI1lpM rare song cover.
Now someone like Joucho singing this would be the best combination.

>>7612832
Did you mean the phsyical with all the bits and bobs?

>>7612920
Nah the digital. it's 3.3k for himemeres.

It's up.

https://nyaa.si/view/1417929

>>7612986
How is it? Any new songs?

>>7612986
Now do the Rim's and Harusaruhi's.

>>7613018
Post album titles.

>>7613018
someone uploaded koko and rim a few threads ago

>>7613117
https://mega.nz/folder/BBI2VZoS#eqNz0lxwT4kiWXFgCgULrA
https://mega.nz/folder/ldQ2WDoA#-z3ydioiqcKtAbcvfF0RlQ

>>7613117
It was youtube rip wasn't it?
>>7613111
Now this is hard because I already forgot the names lol.

Isekaijoucho Candy Live
Harusaruhi Cream Puff Live
Rim Chocolate Live
Kaf I Scream Live
Koko Arare Live

>>7613167
They're all sweets except Koko's,unless it's some crazy food I don't know. I Scream for Kaf, Candy for Jou, Cream Puff for Haru, Chocolate for Rim, and Arare for Koko.

>>7613231
Koko's are rice crackers/crispies

>>7613272
How fittingly boomer for her.

AmaLee is becoming a vsinger.
https://twitter.com/LeeandLie/status/1423724252168130562

>>7613229
kaf and Harusarhi are on Jpopsuki. Give me a sec...

>>7613334
Honestly, surprised it took her this long unless she was on the waiting list for whoever she commissioned forever. She's a good singer, though we'll see if she does live singin, since I don't think she does as her current facecam streams.

https://nyaa.si/view/1417934
https://nyaa.si/view/1417933

>>7613394
Briefly checked her twitch, mostly games yeah.
I'm assuming thats where she'll be primarily streaming while the YT channel remains purely covers.

>>7613421
New Romancer was already out a couple of weeks ago, the Haru one is appreciated though

>>7613434
Mhmm. I don't mean this as an insult to Ame since I actually like some of her covers, but she's probably going to be as to vsingers as Pokimane is to vtubers, where it's just a nice way for her to have a face cam while streaming without bothering with makeup.

>>7613511
I think I will mainly be checking her out for her songs instead of her daily streams and conduct, so that is fine with me.

But I don't think she's comparable to Pokimane. She has been an anime fan for as long as anyone, so it's not like she will suddenly be an intruder.

>>7613511
I don't think it will be that bad since she's not as 'controversial', correct me if I'm wrong here, since I don't follow her outside her cover uploads.
at best she gets new viewers, at worst its just a new fun gimmick for her existing viewers.

Not sure if Cream Puff Live will stay up on Nyaa. The tracker is giving a weird, "Info hash not authorized on this tracker" error, which shouldn't happen unless they've banned the upload.
You can still connect to the swarm through DHT.

Magnet:

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:1B73ACB37A43A022C1974F1EC21D7E9623D9636C

>>7613577
>>7613580
I moreso meant that she's going to do exactly what she did before instead of having some level of kayfabe. I could be wrong, since it does look like the model has an actual design instead of just being her as an anime girl, but I also feel like she wouldn't use the exact same social media and streaming channels that she's used for normal streams if she was going to be a a 'true vsinger', as nebulous as a term that is.

>>7613456
Oh yeah, I meant to upload the Kaf but I uploaded the wrong one.

Kaf: https://nyaa.si/view/1417941

>>7613650
Sounds like it will potentially be similar case to 96neko then. Cover uploads channel + separate APEX/gaming channel to use the L2d on.

Don't really mind the distinction if its just borderline instead of being 'pure', if it means less dead threads.

>>7613421
>harusaruhi
Was this the jps copy one?

>>7614308
Yes

https://twitter.com/HaranoOni/status/1423928391489622017
Looks like Oni is well enough to stream again.

suisei kakero cover
https://youtu.be/IqT6cHCT1TE

>>7614515
original not cover

>>7614515
The MV is well produced.
But somehow, musically, it is even more boring than Violet. Are people competing on how they can write a chorus with just one note? It feels mechanical, almost. I feel like Ghost's opening is more interesting than this whole song.

>>7614698
I do agree that it sounds like a filler song, but it's not bad. Music was written by MikotoP, and his big hit of Roki wasn't that complicated either. I think that's just his style, take or leave it.

>>7614698
>>7614753
Yeah I think filler is the right word.
Song isn't memorable which is a shame given the nice MV.

>>7614753
Did you check out his song with Kafu? It has a pretty fun vibe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU5Hnf2gh_E
Shoujo-rei is to this day his most interesting song though

>>7614850
not him, but shoujo-rei is just so disconcerting once you actually listen to the song closely

>>7614850
NTA
new KAFU song is decent
I'll have to disagree with shoujo-rei. never liked his original arrangements.

>>7614850
Yea, I heard it when I was checking to see if I was right about his style. He doesn't do majorly complex tracks like most vocaloid producers, which gives him a very different sound but can lead to them feeling bland if they don't land, which is what happened with Suisei, I feel.

>>7614958
I'd agree with the Suisei track being bland yea

Is it really worth buying the ticket for Hachi's live? I have been disappointed by too many vtuber concerts. I guess I will wait to hear opinions about it.

>>7614985
If it's up to the standards of the recent Kaf and Niji AR lives, 100% yes

>>7615000
Wouldn't that be too high expectations since Nijis are like the most experienced at setting up 3D stuff, while Hachi is having her first live?

New Raindrops song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCvz1Nbk19s

>>7614985
Eh personally I give money to whoever I want to support, even if it's ends up terrible because ultimately they can use that money to improve in future. Now that Hachi will be backed by Reality it would be probably good enough, judging from recent Reality's live coughVesperbellcough

>>7615026
>>7615000
I don't think we have a reference to say really. The closest thing we have is Vesperbell/KMNZ and that's assuming they're done by the same production team (under reality) in the first place.
Though to be fair this is the first crowdfunded one AFAIK so they might have more money to work with.

>>7614985
I wouldn't hold out hopes for stunning visuals since it looks like it's being run through Reality, but I would also be very surprised if the singing isn't stellar. She doesn't normally perform her originals during karaoke, and if you compare studio AZKi's Inochi to the live versions, I love the latter far more. I expect it will be the same for songs like Rainy Proof where she can really pour her heart out. I think the visuals will be acceptable, though, and maybe even good if you look at what MaiR managed for her first Live when she was celebrating getting signed and that was with a much smaller budget then Hachi has got through crowdfunding, I'd wager.

https://youtu.be/E7Tph-9VeL8

Does Beatmario count as a Vsinger? He's going to have a karaone stream in about 30 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owrlsIyt20k

>>7615083
He did use an avatar recently so probably?

>>7614985
Oh, speaking of Hachi, she finally got approved for membership.

https://twitter.com/8HaChi_hacchi/status/1423938324452941824

>>7614985
>disappointed by too many vtuber concerts.
Who?

>>7615045
>spoiler
Yeah thats my main concern. The vesperbell concert was so scuffed production wise but I didn't mind cause it's free.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7KrCJOxLNA

>>7615259
Honestly, it wasn't impressive, but it wasn't scuffed either. I don't remember any audio issues, and other then intern-kun's obsession with switching the camera every 5 seconds so we could appreciate the giant stage they built out of cheap assetshop stuff, it was pretty okay visual-wise. The mouth tracking and the Vesper's models weren't amazing either, but they did a pretty good job on the body capture since I remember Yomi being a dork hypeman while Kasuka was singing and vice versa.

>>7615058
not sure if that's a good comparison. alive musix is still the same team behind MaiR since her debut. they just rebrand when Mea became MaiR. they've done 3d lives before and worked with other companies on live events.
RK Music on the other hand is new to all this. I'm sure i'll still enjoy the music but i've set my expectation on the visuals appropriately.
for some throw back, clip from MaiR's first VR live
https://youtu.be/0jFcwuyM1EA

cocoa https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcLo1ztXfDw

>>7615492
True, but the tech has come a long way since then and it's far easier to contract experienced staff in the field at this point.

Speaking of Vesperbell, a bunch of new people got announced for TubeoutFes, including them, Riot Music, and AZKi

>>7614985
>Is it really worth buying the ticket for Hachi's live?
Would most likely be worth your money than any vtuber even in history.
>I have been disappointed by too many vtuber concerts.
Wanna know why? It's Because all of them for some reason are singing only around 5-8 songs total for a two hour stream or divide that by two for one hour, resulting to more than half of the concert being dead air which is a much bigger issue than having unimpressive visuals.
If you were around pre-YT, Hachi's been great on reality and cluster, and after that every youtube stream is packed. At the very least I would expect this first one man live to be an improvement from reality's default looking 3d model. Honestly she's among the top vsingers out there if not the best, talking purely about vocal ability since the top two companies can pull an audience despite their mediocre singing skills, with the rest having fake voices because muh vocaloid muh anime girl. The only vsinger I may put above her is Cocoa (the original one, not the riot girl missing half notes all the time) who unfortunately didn't reach the era of chuubas doing it live save for a few events and her farewell stream.
We'll just have to see if she gets Vesperbell's camerawork autism and Yomi having wrecked her vocal chords instead of resting for all their concerts so far.

>>7615492
sometimes i wonder if alive musix has more than 3 people... they're doing really well for such a small team.

>>7615259
It wasn't scuffed at all, it was just the cameraman being high on drugs enough the camera works looks wacky.

Yomi 1 chorus cover of アンヘル
https://nana-music.com/sounds/060e2419

How is it possible that this only has 850 views?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NimzIGgLpAM

Cocoa 'Big announcement' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YJywACN9Ns
Will we finally hear about the new batch.

>>7617736
I think luci's pretty underrated but she doesn't stream as often in the frist place. Also we never got the karaoke prior to that which got nuked, did we?

ViANKiE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN6CXPGawrM
YumiSummer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vCVk1SGFGc
Musica https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ED4ccSc5zE
Ririsya https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjsVY0Xopn4

NoWorld https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrWC6xjsySw

>>7618184
For some reason I thought that was new.

>>7617736
because she streams like twice a month or something
>>7617860
>Also we never got the karaoke prior to that which got nuked, did we?
nope, still hoping someone archived it

>>7617860
There's underrated and there's 800 views for what is easily a top 10 vsinger voice material. Its abysmally low.

>>7617741
>Will we finally hear about the new batch.
Guess not

Uni https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPQAYaChwuk
Kasane https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKwWHBTg9zE

Memex life: https://youtu.be/g783aV5ut0Y

>>7618733
For OP
https://riotmusic-live.zaiko.io/e/statice

>>7620515
*live

>>7604126
Shino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kl0CxzCXXoo

>>7620545
>>7591104

>>7441835
I was late to the space so I dont know if anything else interesting got mentioned. But she said she wants to perform at the budokan.

>>7617736
Why do a lot of Vsingers have a low volume stream? Even Hachi has a low volume. Like, just boost the gain girls.

>>7611584
>>7611361
Thanks bros

774 song relay https://twitter.com/Rene_Ryugasaki/status/1424022531002880000

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZAJzIb_bpc
she's not very good, but maaru been singing for 2 hours now.

Late link but Lumi's been singing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MceGlL1_WNM

Toto: https://youtu.be/OoaPD4PYFzc

Rina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsMj-poHKTI

>>7618283
Streaming once every couple of months means that she doesn't get pushed by the algorithm. I actually get recommended some pretty decent indies these day by Youtube since it thinks I speak Japanese for some god forsaken reason, but they stream once a week or more. Luci isn't even that active on Twitter compared to most people, so while she's talented as all hell, she's either very busy with other things or has zero sense for marketing.

I just found Levi Elipha and I can't get over her king and vampire covers.

Be neat if she covered this
https://youtu.be/ici8UJP5bCg

Midy shorts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoGH_Gbw42Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGm410iCyZg
Sakuya Azusa, she's pretty good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHJmVaj2zYs

https://twitter.com/ponycanyon/status/1423947025389740033
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHggeTO4CSU
New Pony Canyon's vsinger and her first original song. She is pretty good.

Rita piano learning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HOePxq6Nsg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5gCWWh4k1A
MaRiNaSu had a panel/performance at Hyper Japan.

>>7638693
Seems to lack any power or spark. It's an immature voice.

Polaris nox collab https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkiPEkxVaI8

IRyS SSS https://youtu.be/mDN9o6GQdm4

>>7642596
>AZKi sings the English version at her most recent concert
>IRyS sings the Japanese version for her cover

There's a joke just waiting to be written. Honestly, I like this the best out of her covers since her voice naturally fits cheesy idol pop like this.

>>7642695
yeah, the joke is Cover Corporation

774 song relay starting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92iWDptjh98&feature=youtu.be

>>7642885

IRyS singing stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WJCjPlw5P4

>>7645524
Who would you recommend to listen to?

>>7647192
I don't normally keep up with 774, but Rene should be good. The other two in Sugar Lyrics are decent as well, though they're the traditional Japanese squeaky singer.

NoiR piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWt-bew51Lo

Thoughts?

>>7648903
If you mean the choice of songs, it is fine. Lucky star was a cute addition.
If you mean the singer herself, nothing has quite changed. She still sings decently, with the particular defect that she can't really belt hight notes satisfyingly. The problem is most evident in Kimi wo Nosete, a Ghibli song where it is really needed. See, e.g. Hachi's cover
https://youtu.be/0CE1uiMXLKg

>>7645524
Are there any good singers in 774 that I should look forward to? I want to stop because so far none of them are very good.

>>7649363
Rene at the very end is good, especially since she knows her strengths and limits when it comes to picking songs. The current one isn't bad either, though her mic does her no favors. I've been just listening to the first song and muting until the next one starts if I don't like the singer, though.

>>7649363
Two, three and second last sing fine. Emphasis on fine, the rest meh.

>>7648903
I liked it. Despite her being known for her cover of Renai Circulation, I think she's actually better on pop songs than moe songs.

>>7648903
>>7645541
>no timestamps
Anyway yeah these songs that forcer her to drop the anime voice down a notch sounds better.

>>7650819
nevermind found the TS comment, for some reason it wasn't top until I reloaded the page

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JunFhg13xo0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y5td_Q2bEE
lumi original song

>>7651237
Aria can sing decently. Not perfect, but there are points in songs where she puts her unique touches. Just that whoever she's working her gives her shitty rigging / audio equipment whenever I checked out her live singing. Her view count drops like a rock because of that.

I am glad to see this studio cover is done professionally at least.

Huh, Kuku isn't bad, and her using the autotune effect when the song calls for it is pretty amusing. It's a shame her mic isn't up for the job.

I think 774 should've made it a playlist insteado of having to click the next URL, like the youtube music weekend thing.

>>7652671
Yea. I also don't see them linking the URL to the next in a pinned comment in chat, but I guess it's down in the description? I've just been using that anon's post.

>>7652721
Yeah its in the top of the description somewhere,
the link with 次 (next)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7sz40BqEGQ
mia is great!

Kuno x Yumeba
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA8AoiEGq9A

>>7654097
Oh their collabs are cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFp1cyzbaFA

Ageha Sharuru https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CMKnJlna0Y

Actually looks pretty good, though the model isn't so quality as to play nice with a closeup just like the Vespers. I wonder if her new costume is going to help with that.

https://twitter.com/8HaChi_hacchi/status/1424313005580324868

anyway,about hachi live
4Y7BNcg
most of the time a zhang vtuber channel,opens for 30 minutes.

Anyone want English versions of vocaloid songs?
I bring to you all, ladies and gentleanons...
Splendiferachie!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwkVnjZWLuA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9HRm_7M4ys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFA7iXV8agc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3K61cQ8_fg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNoy_b_JYU0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvmjAtpoBZQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWC35v2XWHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5juN7uzl8EI

This camerawork...

>>7656690
Zhang channel, but that format doesn't match up with BLBL? Am I just an idiot?

Intern-kun strikes again. It's less ADHD than the vesperbell one but yeah.

>>7656860
it's a discord

Chilling in Hachi discord with all the bros

>>7656983
Hachi's live singing has been pretty spotless so far. I'd say some of it is even better than her actual recordings since her voice is so clean here.

>>7657369
Yea, she's always on point and while the camera work is too frantic, it's not overly distracting.

>>7657449
Still, RK/Reality production really needs to address their camera work especially if they plan more lives in the future.

>>7657548
Don't disagree. Maybe mention it on Twitter when you're posting a screenshot with her hashtag? Not sure where else you could give feedback.

I don't know if she count as vsinger or not but I absolutely love her cover of cynical night plan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eQxRL5Lqgw

>>7657756
Absolutely love Mellisa,one of my favorite Nijisanji singer

Holy shit, this is even more beautiful then the original.

Nice acoustic version of Rainy Proof.

She truly is a singer. She shines best in live.

>>7658397
Amazing how close that looks to this old fan art, though it's obviously not glowsticks.

Are Hachi and Azki singing together in the future? I heard about something like that.

>>7658686
Azki's last V standing (potentially).

>>7658686
Nothing confirmed, but AZKi did ask who people wanted to see on the next Last V Standing on a member's post and Hachi was a big favorite.

Nana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAjXT8Q109U

What a way to reveal a new song. Did she say it was by the same guy who composed Rainy Proof?

>>7659079
Yeah. The name is August Fireflies or sth.

Fuck its over.
I love the new song though.

A nice way to wrap it up. See you again, bees.

>>7659168
I have no clue how she found the guy since I looked at his socials to see if he'd ever composed anything else, and his Twitter was fucking barren, but she should contract him for a fucking entire album.

>>7659232
>>7659247
Don't close it yet!

OH WAIT IT'S NOT ENDED PSYCHE

Oh no they made this song more powerful.

I hope she uses this as the background music to her streams. It's really fucking pretty.

88nia singing stream

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkCIaIrNaR0

That piano / orchestra version of Beyond the Light was just beyond godly. Goodbye for real this time, bees.

Great concert desipte the camerawork since it calmed down by the second half/barely there in the last part.

Archive will probably have the same quality/bitrate, wouldn't it?

>>7659701
I thought the new song would be my new favorite but then they bust that thing out.

https://twitter.com/_YuNiofficial_/status/1424339850497458185
Summer vacation / reduced activities for this month.

>>7659946
Depends. I have no clue about how Fanbeats does it, but Zan-Live apparently does very high quality archives compared to Youtube when people were comparing.

>>7659680
Huh, she know English

Lita https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me0F_GFmpDM
Asano Ruri new costume reveal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsjb_qyFUp4
Kaine x 93poetry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YxeMT8k-Kc
YumiSummer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJKBxcwi-fY
Parica https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Apz71lHBX0E

Oni https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIVFFj0Y19M
Nemo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQV55RtIr00

>>7660043
The distribution/archive is in Zan. I guess we'll see tomorrow.

>>7660124
Seems to be pandering to EOPs pretty hard with the green bird streams, and if you scroll back the video, you can see she even had one of those speech to text things transcribing her and translating it to English in real time. Oh, I say that and it's back. Apparently it's her anniversary and a new costume reveal which explains the supas.

>>7659680
Hey the singing is not bad.

https://twitter.com/harusaruhi/status/1424324999087722501
Not much of a surprise, but sanari will be a guest at Harusaruhi's one-man live.

>>7660437
She's actually really good, and plays the piano along to her singing streams sometimes. I've been going back through her archives during deadhours since someone linked her earlier this week. I'd love to hear her do something in the studio, but that's the one thing that's lacking from her channel. She sings a whole lot to make up for that, though.

Enma Ruri: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6QBJIhsztE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhEx3mPBOx8 Rene finishing up the 774 relay

everybody sleeping on ichika man

>>7661023
No links, no idea what you're on about.

>>7661096
Pretty sure he meant the person before rene in the relay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KM-YWHKd_g

>>7661388
She really tried to sing Shangrila by angela. It was a valiant attempt but belting the higher notes seems to be difficult for her.

>>7660534
Her rendition of Nada Sousou is now added to my playlist. Her head voice is not as strong as Hachi (but then, who is), but Hachiya's pronunciation makes the cover unique in its own way.
https://youtu.be/v_5J7QqirRA?t=6483

CocoTsuki ラブカ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqeGFrFcuCw

https://twitcasting.tv/akatsukiluci

Luci twitcast singing

Nano in 13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3DPcpIerew

Well this went under the radar, and yeah I only recognize like a handful of people. They basically interview the artist + play 1 MV.
https://twitter.com/itoitoi0715/status/1421142557015240710?s=21

Day 1 got nuked by Susan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPPNKnpMBy4
Day 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7m_ph4mvdg
Day 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpZqbJL6DbE

>>7663785
>Day 1 got nuked by Susan.
Actually not sure if its just on my end.
>in your country

>>7663785
Huh, I guess I don't follow Kon on Twitter since she's one of my favorite literal 2views and I would have noticed her tweeting about it.

Speaking of which, she just released a new cover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHYgn_1NFMY

>>7663861
Not available for me as a burger.

>>7663861
It works when I switch my VPN to Japan.

>>7663982
Oh I see.
I remember seeing copyright blocks on some of 88nia's archives as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3HymrCHJQ4&list=PL4sNaOqT4i8994C4QUc8c0MevqV1A6sq-&index=5
>>7663982
What do you use? Only vpn I have is pay per byte since I only use for vidya ping, so it will drain fast when going through videos.

>>7612986
I'm the one who originally asked for it, thank you.

>>7664096
ExpressVPN

>>7664262
Speaking of joucho I just found out that she's the one who draws her own cover illustrations what the fuck she's very good at drawing also.

>Illustration:ヰ世界情緒

>>7664421
Amusing contrast with Koko and her very cursed cats, but I suppose Koko can also play the drums as shown during her cover live.

>>7664421
Damn, didn't know she was an artist.
she's a better artist than a singer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DF8L0fRqaTI
from PRISM Project's Iku.
Kinda cute, nothing spectacular.

>>7618283
>There's underrated and there's 800 views for what is easily a top 10 vsinger voice material. Its abysmally low.
This is a dilemma for many singers, and even just talented people. And its at this point that you should figure out that popularity is more about advertising and luck than anything else.

Oboro from LiLYPSE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udIakaWV5V4

>>7664482
I've seen many fan artists like her. There aren't many singers with her kinda voice.

>>7664526
Iku's singing is pretty nice. She says she can't sing lower registers, but I think her singing voice is much better suited for that from the brief bits of songs in karaoke she's done

I'll just post it here because I'd rather have a more serious discussion about the vocal technique.
Plenty of people put Gura and Suisei at the top of Hololive's tier list when it comes to singing. I'm not entirely sure why when there are talents that have more natural power to tap into, larger ranges, and most of all, better control over the color of the voice. None of these things are particularly sufficient to put any one talent above another, but it's a bit odd seeing these two specifically mentioned at the same time in a lot of places, it's almost like it's the same person posting over and over.
So what is it about the technique that you think makes them recognized as the top singers in Hololive?
I genuinely don't know what metrics people are measuring them by in regards to technique.
Finally, I don't even dislike them, I just thought someone like AZKi would have easily taken the top spot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvphWQXit_g
Hibana original song

>>7665289
They're among the top singers in hololive, but its not like hololive is a beacon of light in the singing world either. They're all extremely mediocre at best.
Personally I think Gura isn't in the top, she just have fans so they claim she is. Suisei is near the top because she does have a stronger voice and a lot more control over the "color" as you say it. Most the girls are fairly bland and its not as easy to control as you make it sound.

Its well considered Watame to be the best singer in hololive though, and personally I'd throw Kanata up there too but its been awhile since I've listened to any of her songs so it could just be my memory playing tricks on me.
I think Sora is underrated as well though she's not a fantastic singer the songs she picks tend to be pretty fitting for her and she plays off other people well in song collabs particularly Azki.

>>7665399
>They're among the top singers in hololive, but its not like hololive is a beacon of light in the singing world either. They're all extremely mediocre at best.
That's a different discussion as I'm just looking at internal comparisons.
>Suisei is near the top because she does have a stronger voice and a lot more control over the "color" as you say it
Feel free to call me out on any of the following, it's just what I hear.
My issue with this claim is that the strength she pulls is usually an ugly twang which she doesn't seem to have much control over in the key middle range. It's okay in her lower register, gets bad in the middle when she goes for power, then returns to a more euphonic sound when she flips into her falsetto/heady ranges.
I would make some explicit comparisons here but I'm having trouble phrasing it in a way that won't be written off immediately, but I can post it afterwards if you'd like to hear it anyway.
>Most the girls are fairly bland and its not as easy to control as you make it sound.
Oh it's not easy, I wasn't implying that at all, but as above, it sounds like she doesn't actually have a handle on it. Like she can't flip it off/make it cleaner and still retain that sense of power.
>Its well considered Watame to be the best singer in hololive though
Is it? I would have thought she would be up there but I never her see her that high on other people's lists, or the comments about her being inconsistent (which I personally don't pick up on much)
>Sora
She can ape an operatic soprano decently but most often she goes for something a bit more pinchy, she definitely gets a lot of points for being possibly the only actual soprano-range in Hololive. If one were to consider where to put her in the standing, power becomes less relevant compared to her pitch/color control, etc.
I do think others judge her quite unfairly at times.

>>7666018
Well yeah, she has flaws but what are you comparing her to?
Pointing out flaws is cool and all, but the fact of hololive being mediocre in general is where this comes in.
She's the best in -hololive- not the best singer in the world. So that naturally rather than pointing out flaws you should mention why someone in particular is better than she is.

>>7665289
At least for me Suisei is the top Hololive voice, Watame close second and then Kanata and Towa.
Suisei has the technique but the problem comes when she tries to sing more powerful songs. Her voice is ¿pure? and you'll never hear her growl or rock. That's a big let down.
Watame has a beautiful voice, but still lacks a little bit of technique compared to Suisei. With a little more training she can become the top. Also, all of her original songs are shit, TY Cover.
Kanata and Towa have the similarity that they have (or can have) a very profound voice and that's a good plus.

But if we add Holostars, Izuru and Astel are above Suisei. Izuru's voice and technique are simply amazing and the range and wildness of Astel is what makes him my favourite, but he still loses to Izuru.

>>7665399
>Its well considered Watame to be the best singer in hololive though
Citation heavily needed. I pretty much listen to all holo singers. If you want to talk about Watame, you can compare her cover of, say, Pretender, with that of Nene.
(Watame) https://youtu.be/Lt3o5OUjXIA
(Nene) https://youtu.be/_zMGMsDbbE4
I'm not a follower of either, but I'd say Nene showed how the song should be sung. Nene managed to sing the higher notes as clear as a bell, and held many notes very satisfyingly, while Watame has a habit of singing as if she's talking at times. This isn't to say that Nene is the best singer, as she struggles with pitch control on songs she is unfamiliar with (while Pretender is just her favorite). Watame has also improved a lot, perhaps due to her vocal training.

>Gura isn't in the top
I want to give credit where credit is due. You can look at her claim to fame, Country Roads, which is also her most practiced song.
Gura - Country Roads https://youtu.be/L77WpA6a_jA
Even from the first verse alone "almost heaven west virginia", you see the smoothness of her pitch transition, a skill which Suisei does not possess at all.
Suisei - Ghost https://youtu.be/IKKar5SS29E
If you can visualize it, the graph depicting Gura's voice would be a smooth curve, while Suisei's a step function. At 0:40. where Gura sings "I belong", her strong ringing head voice is why people prefer her singing to Irys. Then she puts her own variations into the rest of the song, so that no two "I belong" sound the same. Another song where she does all these would be Baka Mitai.
https://youtu.be/Pt7KbDvUwmQ

Gura's weakness is with songs she doesn't practice enough (there are many of them), where she can't do those silky smooth transitions or variations. She still sings them for fun (like Marine's Ahoy), but I don't consider them to be serious.

>>7666128
Ah.
So as for some other members, non exhaustively:
AZKi has a greater amount of control (breath, embellishments) in general while having less natural force because her voice is less chesty.
Towa is probably the biggest counter example I would give for how a powerful voice can come across without having to resort to an excessive twang.
Kanata is also a decent contrast to make as she has more of a natural power technique than Suisei's. Or maybe it's better to note that the way it tends to distort is different and less often outright unpleasant.
Part of it is that KanaTowa seem to be naturally louder people than Suisei.
>>7666255
>Also, all of her original songs are shit, TY Cover.
I'll pretend you didn't say that.
>>7666534
Is Pretender really a fair comparison? There's good artistic reason to choose that sort of voice for Pretender of all songs.
>Gura's weakness is with songs she doesn't practice enough (there are many of them), where she can't do those silky smooth transitions or variations
How consistent would you say she is for songs she hasn't practiced?

>>7666255
>TY Cover.
Not Cover fault really since it's up to talent herself to find a good producer, which she didn't.

>>7666255
>Izuru's voice and technique are simply amazing and the range and wildness of Astel is what makes him my favourite, but he still loses to Izuru.
I wouldn't put them on too much of a pedestal, the boys themselves have been having recent worries about their limits.

>>7666996
>How consistent would you say she is for songs she hasn't practiced?
Quite inconsistent. She doesn't become downright bad, but just unmemorable overall. But when she nails it, you hear it right away, and even casual commenters notice it.
https://youtu.be/fVbtprxW2a0

Also, because she is the only holo covering many unique English songs, it has become harder to compare her to other holos. I think she is what I'd call a lounge singer. Any ballad or jazz song can benefit from her pitch transition and soft vibrato.

I have no idea who this is. But this song seems to be a banger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvphWQXit_g

>>7667341
Well on my part I would say part of the reason I wouldn't put her on top is the tone she uses. I can't hear whether it's a form of nasality or not, but it seems that something odd is going on with her larynx or her tongue.
I'm not sure how else to describe it (Kermit-y? limited in frequency range?).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDC6rfdnjIM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYT82IN54Ms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKJhBYByq-0
In this example it's something I hear in Gura's but not in either Kanata's or Okayu's, as odd as that sounds.

>>7667973
You are in good company.
>>7665345

>>7665289
I don't know anything about vocal technique and won't pretend I do, but this is my take:
>I'm not sure what the basis is for claiming Gura is the best singer in Hololive considering that she hasn't demonstrated the ability to consistently sing songs that have a high degree of difficulty live.
>Suisei seems to be held in high regard because she's able to sing most types of Japanese billboard pop with competence and sometimes genuine excellence in her live singing.
>AZKi is an excellent singer that is arguably limited by the sound of her own voice. She can't credibly sing certain types of songs live (see: anything from Ado) because of it.
>The best musical talent that Cover has is arguably Rikka, considering that he sings live like a pro, plays the guitar masterfully, and has composed several original songs on his own that are all pretty good.

>>7669192
>She can't credibly sing certain types of songs live (see: anything from Ado) because of it.
This was a good parallel I wanted to make. Ado's songs are filled with (classically) improper technique. It's a bit hard to get the edge for many of the songs because they often involve committing yourself to mangling your throat, nose or otherwise a little bit in order to get the sound out. Incidentally its a style where Suisei's habits can be put to good use.
>The best musical talent that Cover has is arguably Rikka, considering that he sings live like a pro, plays the guitar masterfully, and has composed several original songs on his own that are all pretty good.
How would you compare him to more popular talents like AZKi?
And his vocals to the other stars?

>>7665289
I think Gura is considered near the top because the average layperson equates 'good singing' with 'hitting the right notes accurately and consistently'

>>7668659
That rendition is mildly embarrassing to listen to. She was flubbing and tripping over herself, so to speak. It's not tone deaf level bad, but if you use it as a yardstick, I guess you wouldn't understand why others like her.

>>7669192
>considering that she hasn't demonstrated the ability to consistently sing songs that have a high degree of difficulty live.
The hardest songs for me would be the slow ballad songs such as Dry Flower, Umi no Yuurei, or Baka Mitai. They are what separate the good from the mediocre, because the vocal is the centerpiece, and the singer has to use all their techniques to make each note count. Incidentally, those songs are also what Gura is usually good at, so I don't think that angle is what you want.

The consistency problem is true as we've already discussed. But people add the best to their playlists, not the worst. Gura is remembered for her best songs, not the scuffed ones.

SPARKS was better than any of Gura's songs.
I'm convinced anyone who praises Gura is just a numberfag.

>>7668659
How can people unironically think that Gura is the best singer in Hololive when comparisons like this exist? PPT being better is a given considering who she is, but Okayu? She didn't give a shit about singing at all until she was forced to sing, and she almost quit because of it.

>>7668659
Holy hell Gura sucks.
I'm glad I don't watch hololive anymore if this is what they praise as their top singer.

>cherrypicking a song she clearly doesn't know well from a few days after her debut
Not a chumbud but come on.

anyone got HACHI's concert downloaded/uploaded?
I got filtered by nip website design again

>>7671431
Are you asking for more proof? Here you go: https://youtu.be/qTwHCC4stu8?t=1839

Producing for a chuuba sounds fun, anyone ever had that experience?

>>7671529
Archive VOD won't be up until 10am JST. Dunno if anyone bothered to record the livestream.

>>7672132
i'll be patient then, thanks for the info
I'll send her a fat aka whenever I get to see it

speaking of holos
ayame covered hana ni bourei
https://youtu.be/eGfyyU9qouA
pretty decent but it's not exactly a difficult song

rushia's raspy whisper voice is perfect for this song https://youtu.be/ZE8gTiKBjA8?t=2404

>>7670266
>>7671431
I should clarify, it's the base vocal tone here, the literal timbre. I'm aware that it's one her less stellar overall performances; that's not what I was trying to point out.

>>7674848
this might sound weird, but she sounds pretty similar to AZKi in that, Ayame that is
she doesn't have that characteristic breathiness, but the overall sound is similar

>>7674899
I don't think you leave us much to go on. At this point you're saying you don't like feel of her voice, which is fine as a vote or opinion, but doesn't let us know anything about Gura.

I described her strengths using her best songs so that people can verify, and hopefully understand her appeal to many others (as the original question seems be about understanding the consensus). I also talked about her weakness and it's easy to find her worse performances. Perhaps we can leave it at that.

>>7675291
>I don't think you leave us much to go on. At this point you're saying you don't like feel of her voice, which is fine as a vote or opinion, but doesn't let us know anything about Gura.
Oh I'm trying to find a comparison now but it seems like her actual list of Japanese songs is very thin, and I'm not sure if I should count any of her Hololive covers considering they were dismissed earlier in this thread.
>Perhaps we can leave it at that.
Well no, mostly because my point is still coming across poorly and having it stay that way is a mess.

>>7675538
here's something recent
https://youtu.be/NcQvNIfRTmA

>>7675538
I agree there will probably be no direct song comparison between Gura and the JP girls. After all, songs such as Country Roads and Baka Mitai are only sung by Haato, Coco, Pekora etc. and not Suisei or Azki. Since her debut, Gura's taste has slowly gravitated towards more English songs as well. No other hololive has sung Titanium, for instance.

While I am sure most of it is down to copyright issues, this means that by song choices alone, Gura is offering the fans a pretty unique karaoke experience as a holo.
>mostly because my point is still coming across poorly
Sure, feel free to elablorate your thought even though people may not agree with it. If your point was about nasality, then I can say Gura is pretty okay on that front. As can be heard in Country Roads, her head voice is ringing and clear, instead of shill or nasal. I can't speak about her larynx as I'm no doctor.

>>7674939
you're not wrong... they have similar voice. ayame has a slight accent.

>>7675724
Alright so listen to the first (w)ahh she holds at around 51 seconds.
And then listen to the same note in these covers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=or46Uiqa2Oo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXREe9zJSXM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb0sOV3W5VU
What, if any, differences in vocal tone do you notice here?

>>7676230
I'd say Gura's (w)ahh was actually the most complex out of the four with different phases. Her voice starts off closed before gradually opening up and then transitioning into a distinct ringing vibrato. I would not have noticed that without listening to it more closely.

>>7676540
Absolutely, between hers and IRyS's it might be the best executed.
Here's the rub. To various degrees I hear that 'thing' in the covers. Can you guess which covers I hear it in the least?

>>7676751
I think you can state your ideas as this isn't a storytelling session.

>>7676844
Point taken.
IRyS goes a little of the way into it, but it sounds like she stops herself from 'spreading' on the ahh too much.
Ina has a different issue which is her more obvious nasality.
And I hear it the least in the note in Anya's, which instead also has a brand of nasality (among with a myriad of other issues)
For Gura it seems to be exacerbated when she spreads her mouth open for the ahh, hitting a peak of that ¿twang? before being mitigated on that particular note by her vibrato toward the closing; if she used a straight tone the 'hardness' of it would be more obvious.
It's almost as if she takes too much of her stream voice into her singing voice.
As if it would be released or fuller if she opened up something near the velar/pharyngeal areas of her tract, like yawning (at the cost of sounding goofy).

>>7591104
Might as well rename the thread to /gura’s singing/.

>>7679462
No need, this discussion will be over by next thread one way or another.

>>7677756
It sounds like we are using very different vocabularies, but I know the yawning trick to reduce nasality in speaking. I would describe her (w)ahh as her resonance starting from the chest and slowly rising to the head, giving the vibrato a sense of release. The starting part therefore is slightly less pleasant to listen to, at least by my taste. I can see the quibble, though I have to say it is still rather minor and subjective in the scale of things, and we have probably annoyed our polite company enough by this point. Was a nice talk.

>>7676016
Accent? How do you mean?

>>7667973
Hibana used to stream mostly on showroom for a contest and the prize being the composition of an original song, I didn't really try to keep up with her back then because the site and app of showroom is a pain to navigate so I only did the bare minimum to get her some points and help her out
she has a pretty good voice and song selection and can understand english well enough, I'm happy she's using youtube more now

>>7679703
>though I have to say it is still rather minor and subjective in the scale of things,
Yeah, it's this difference in valued parts of technique which is making it harder for me to grasp. Nice talk.

>>7679877
What's the appeal of showroom for streamers?

>>7679926
it gives points for interaction and you can use them for cheers and stuff iirc and I think it shows daily rankings on the homepage for discovering new talents, I never bothered with using it much outside of occasionally watching Hibana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVo6sSWJ-wM
Is anyone gonna try watching VRMF in VRChat or just gonna watch the YouTube livestream?

>>7669520
Rikka is the best singing Star in the same way that AZKi is the best singing Holo, in that they're masters at getting their voice to do exactly what they want it to. Whether you like Rikka's style and voice compared to Astel's much more impassioned style is a different question, but they both are the best from a technical standpoint, and I don't think any of the other talent would argue that. Astel's high energy is fun, but he doesn't have the range and he knows it as shown by how he doesn't even attempt the high note when he sings Let It Go. Between Rikka and AZKi, I don't think there is a clear winner since they're both so good that any real difference is pretty negligible.
https://streamable.com/accjka
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUNbANUihwc


As to why people consider Suisei and Gura the best singers, it's because they're big names and most people don't watch a lot of people so they're wow'ed by the fairly good ones and don't look further. Gura thrives in slow lounge singing, but you can look at her 'Lie, Lie, Lie' and see that she can't give it a real bite. She sort of works around this by taking almost every song that she sings and working it into a slow, tear jerker of a ballad, which helps her sound good but leaves a lot of her songs sounding the same. She's also not as consistent as the others, which is fine because she does a lot of casual fun karaoke streams instead of Suisei, for example, who practices her ass off and never lets people see her mistakes. However, Gura has scuffed some streams that she was clearly practicing for, like the one where she was singing Holo originals. Her second take on NCP was far better then the first, which both showed her strength as a capable singer and her weakness of not being able to do it every time, which is one of the big hallmarks of an very talented amateur. She also leans very heavily on vibrato which another crutch that people use to cover up their inconsistencies, instead of using it more sparing and tastefully. It sounds very pleasant, because she has a warm and rich voice, but is somewhat singing on easy mode. I'm curious what she'll sound like if she does her reps like Watame did, though, since a lot of her issues can be overcome by practice and learning.

>>7680274
Just YT. I might bother setting up VRC if another one pops up eventually just to see it that way at least once. Might be mildly interesting.

>>7680408
>Rikka is the best singing Star in the same way that AZKi is the best singing Holo
Archive and Inochi are probably two of the greatest underrated originals from HoloPro.

>>7680408
>also leans very heavily on vibrato which another crutch that people use to cover up their inconsistencies

Oh, you are that anti-vibrato guy. Ideologies aside, if you think Gura has a problem with pitch control and is using vibrato to make it easier, I don't think we can meaningfully agree on much. Also, "more sparing and tastefully".... Many Western singers such as Whitney Houston make their careers based on their vibrato ( https://youtu.be/3JWTaaS7LdU ). And even those are nothing compared to opera or classical singing, which would be vibrato overdone and on steroids.

At some point we got to chalk this up to pure opinions if you think somehow Gura overdoes her vibrato. I'd say she does not do it enough for the songs that need it.

Speaking of hibana's she's doing crowdfunding for a 3d model. Interesting bit is it looks like it's because cause she'll get to sing something by Kayoko Kusano
https://camp-fire.jp/projects/view/471665
Also she has a series interviewing other vsingers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ZTyap2Z4o

>>7679877
Recommend me her 3 songs that you like the most, I wanna listen.

>>7682097
>opera
Modern opera is rather overdone, older styles of opera tended to frown upon both excessive straight tones and overly wobbly vibrato.
That said the focus on straight tones in modern pop can be pretty damaging to the voice, so I'm not sure what that other guy is on about.

>>7681416
I feel like Inochi is the one AZKi song that's not underrated, even if it's not the first song that comes to mind when people think of Holo originals. Everyone who knows the smallest bit about AZKi knows that song and loves it. Meanwhile, you have other ballads that are just as beautiful in Forever Rain and Blue Dream that don't get any attention.

>>7682097
I'm not the one who you've been talking with, but it's an interesting discussion. I don't mind vibrato, but I also am not a huge fan of throwing it on every note just because you can. It's 100% a personal opinion, but it's just something that stuck with me after hearing a million people go fucking crazy with it in an attempt to make a song sound unique. I love how Idina Menzel uses it on something like Defying Gravity, where she puts it onto the end of a held note, by and large, as a way to emphasize and trail off without coming off note, and keeps it rather subdued instead of going straight into heavy vibrato from the start of every held note. She reserves that for the big, bombastic notes that she wants to snap your attention to. Meanwhile, when I listen to Gura, she doesn't hold notes very often and instead goes into her vibrato full force every time, even on very short notes that don't need it. It works beautifully on song that were written for that style, like Fly Me to the Moon, but the problem is that style doesn't suit all the songs that she wants to sing, especially the upbeat or Japanese ones where they weren't written with that in mind and she doesn't have the confidence to just hold the notes all the time. When she's on point with her voice, she's stellar and I could listen to her for days, but she doesn't approach songs like that and her falling back on vibrato is the habit of an amateur, even if she's fully capable of hitting the notes without it, and I feel like that limits her singing to only a few approaches which is a shame.

Her tendency to force the vibrato in reminds me of the pro-ama singers who take the Star Spangled Banner at the opening of a sporting event, and try to turn it something completely different by flexing with the vibrato on a song that doesn't call for it. Vibrato is fine when it's called for, but I like it when it's used tastefully instead of excessively. It is 100% a matter of personal taste, but it just doesn't sound as appealing to me as if she would cleanly hit the notes.

>>7683092
>Her tendency to force the vibrato in reminds me of the pro-ama singers who take the Star Spangled Banner at the opening of a sporting event
The type prone to excessive melisma? I can understand them, but I don't hear a forcing with her vibrato so much as it's an ingrained part of her singing.

>>7683657
Yea, but I feel like it's so heavily ingrained to her singing that it limits her, instead of enabling her. Gura, when she's on the top of her game, is fucking stunning with lounge style singing, but I can't imagine her voice fitting well for other genres and from the, admittedly nonexhaustive, amount of karaokes that I've listened to from her, I've never been blown away by her singing anything that I wouldn't describe that way. Her Lost Boys was absolutely amazing, and listening back to it as I write, part of the reason I think I like it so much is because she doesn't lean as hard on the vibrato, so maybe I'm just biased by her most popular songs being the ones that she goes the hardest on. However, for me, the mark of the top tier singers is the ability to approach different songs differently, rather then abject mastery of one particular sound. I think Ci from Boogey Voxx, for example, is easily the best at matching Ado's sound, and she sounds amazing on aggressive tracks, but she makes everything she sings sound aggressive, even something that's supposed to be fairly chill like Escobar Dance or Never Run Away From Love. Gura has the same thing where she makes everything she sings sound like it's it's set in a smokey bar while she's wearing a slinky red evening dress and draped across the piano.

Holy heck, what did I just listen to?
Hibana - Unravel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRkn_3eu-CE&t=1238s
What are your thoughts about Hibana's power level, bros?

>>7684652
I hope she doesn't sing like that on a regular basis, the nasal belts sound a bit painful, but her ability to emulate the original sound is cool.
Interpretations of the Unravel scream as a whole is probably something we can get into next thread.

https://twitter.com/RIOTMUSIC_info/status/1424566105675165696
First singles for Iori, Yuka, and Suzuna are on streaming services now.

>>7684372
Ah, yeah.
Sorry, there's not much to say other than I get where you're coming from now.

Forget unravel we need more Leia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyCyzYLpTmk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CW0QWDS_r4&t=2193s

>>7684372
>the mark of the top tier singers is the ability to approach different songs differently, rather then abject mastery of one particular sound
I'd just mildly disagree here. When I listen to a good country singer, I don't ask myself how nice it would be if this singer could also cover Metallica. Similarly, I would not ask Azki to sing opera when belting is not her thing. I just expect a good song. My playlist has so many singers I don't really mind if each of them can only do one genre, as long as they can knock it out of the park.

>>7685780
>a good country singer,
Those exist?

>>7686191
NTA, but i like gretchen wilson. she can do better with rock songs but she insist on the country genre. also i think dolly parton qualifies as country.
then there's "new" country like sturgill simpson
https://youtu.be/8qX02AW48bM
wheeler walker jr started as a joke character for a stand-up bit. he fully owns it now. he's like a vtuber without the avatar.
https://youtu.be/OjiS20NqNqs

>>7685780
They don't have to be jumping genres, but let's compare how AZKi sings on three different songs from her most recent album. You have the poppy, genki idol styled cat song; the slow heartfelt ballad of a lost love in Forever Raining; and the uptempo dance number of Take Me to Heaven. They're all jpop songs, but AZKi gives each of them a distinctive flavor in how they sound. Every singer is going to have their own personal style and quibbles, but working within those to make different songs is what really impresses me. Meanwhile, Gura hasn't shown an ability to break out of that singular style of lounge singing, with the singular exception of doing great on Big Iron which was kept in it's classic Western style. She's fucking great within her niche, but hasn't really shown the ability to shine, pardon the pun, outside of it. Her first original wasn't in that style, and also wasn't particularly spectacular, especially given how good she can sound at times.

If you want a non-vtuber example of this, look at how Disturbed managed to take The Sound of Silence and cover it beautifully despite it being way outside their normal sound and still having a bunch of elements that are recognizable their own.

https://youtu.be/TnQgSAaGhVc
https://youtu.be/j2z06YUbulk
https://youtu.be/wzygAKsIqk0

>>7685187
Time to have this on repeat.

>this thread
Tough crowd. Don't confuse bad singing technique with something that doesn't meet your preference in vocal/music taste

>nasal
>good
Oh please, don't you shitters have your own threads? One for each girl, one for the goup and many more because you can't contain contain yourselves.

>>7687172
>They're all jpop songs
*sigh* Jpop is as broad an umbrella as it could get. It tells us almost nothing concrete.

But if that is the versatility you want:

YMCA is the poppy, genki song https://youtu.be/ONDkRfEKqqA
Baka Mitai, the slow sad ballad https://youtu.be/Pt7KbDvUwmQ
It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas, the upbeat dance song https://youtu.be/IGrx2E-6gzM

I have no idea why you end up writing weird things like Gura only having one style of singing. But you also didn't actually address my point. Even if hypothetically all Gura could sing was a sad ballad like Baka Mitai, as long as she is the best at it, unlike you I would have no problem with it. That was my point.

>>7688204
>not using this live nightcore https://youtu.be/b6z7LttLXb4
what are you even doing in a shitpost chain?

>>7687889
it's what you get when you participate in powerlevel/tierlist discussion.