/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

How can niji even compete anymore

>>75708239
OH SHIT.
Is it also time for other companies to drop their Q4 report?

>>75708239
The number went up.

>the concert revenue grew that much
Oh fug

>>75708239
Holy fuck.
Bar went UP?!

>>75708239
Numbers go up
Life is good

>>75708239
nice, lump in the stars and idkeks with the jp + en branch to hide their crap numbers.

It's over

>>75708317
They can't even compete with Gawr Gura.

OH MY GOD THE NUMBER GOT BIGGER

I don't know why this footnote made me giggle so much

>>75708453
cope sister

>>75708493

>>75708239
>LE IDOL BAD!!!
LOOK AT THOSE CONCERT AND MERCH GAINS HOLY FUCK. IDOL GODS WON

POST THAT WEBM
YOU KNOW WHICH ONE
TO CELEBRATE ANOTHER TRIUMPH IN HOLOLIVE

>>75708601
Wait, are these gains achievable natty?

>>75708493
Because Fuwawa and Mococo doesn't exist.
Those two is just Pero doing voices and talking to themselves.

>>75708651

>>75708401
>comparing a branch that has issues with the company as a whole
Try harder retard. Now compare it with how poorly homostars or holoID does.

>>75708651

>>75708354
Nah, another month

>>75708239
will this make retards stop asking how gura makes her money now?

>>75708737
Part of the same company. That's not how it works sister.

>>75708510
nah holocope
look at this shit, twisting the presentation so they can break down overseas numbers while hiding holostars

>>75708782
Lol lmao even
Sisters dont care about the truth

>>75708737
cimpare with who? niji id?

I'm glad they're doing well.

>>75708854
Maybe NijiKR?

>>75708453
It's a Cover corp report. Not a "hololive" report.

>>75708829
keep seething. worry about your dying branch sisters >>75708401

>>75708239
I'm getting cuter as the days pass by

>>75708721
>>75708651
THE PAYPHONE ONE
WE NEED AN UPDATE ON IT

>>75708766
Source?

>>75708829
>>75708828

>>75708829
>ID went up too
I thought they were supposedly "idkeks"?

>>75708829
You need to let it go sisters you are already so wrinkly. It's over you can't compare with Hololive success anymore.

>>75708239
Gura is quite literally swimming in money without lifting a finger, how does she do it? Im convinced the entirity of NijiEN combined dont compare to even a fraction of holomem income

>>75708967
game's been in dev for more than four years now and not out yet

after market looks to have a strong initial surge.

>>75709094
>Star Citizen will release sooner than holoearth

>>75708829
How many finanas is that ID audience? It seems sister is confused and couldn't comprehend without the correct measurements.

>>75708928
wow, looks like it's possible to list branch-wise revenue in a financial report after all
now let's see holoen, holoid and holostars compared to jp

https://twitter.com/ricegnat/status/1789586943434433014
I didn't know the shipping got so hard people started making porn of their OC lovechildren
goddamn.

>>75709108
Hmm

> made up bullshit to cover for declining viewership, and failed branches of Holo ID and Holostars
holokeks are still getting mogged by Niji in terms of viewership btw

>>75709411
literal retard

>>75709411
>revenue go down
>viewer went up

hmm seems like a views botting for me

holy shit

>>75709706
2.4b yen = 15.4m USD for anyone wondering

>>75709706
>Despite increased costs due to rising material costs, profit margin remained above 20%
wew lad

>>75709411
Unironically the numbers in these financial report are the only numbers that matter at all to Cover or Nijisanji. They don't give a shit about total CCV or watch hours, those are numbers a streamer worries about on an individual level. These numbers are the heart of the entire company, the total revenues and expenses. The shit flinging for "daily gold" is nothing but a meme horse race.

>>75709108
The only downside is Niji will likely catch onto cover's coattails and ride the hype up with them, giving them wiggle room to survive their next cliff once THEIR IR comes out and shows the exact opposite.

>>75709865
I hate /#/ daily gold shit, makes searching for anything in the archive a pain in the fucking ass

>>75709949
>>

>>75708854

>>75709411
Seething so hard that you had to samefag eh?
>>75708829
>>75708737
>>75708453

>>75708634
>Cover paid their talents 1,488,000,000 yen, or $9,288,630.40 for the quarter.
>Divided by 85* members = an average of $109,278 each.
>On average the talents are being paid $36,426 a month

That includes all the talents.

>>75709411
>Biggest Niji event within a year peaked at only 254k
>"Mogged in term of viewership"
Pfft

>>75710187
Imagine what the average would be if the Stars were removed.

>>75710187
>an average of 36k a month

>>75710187
>Fuwamoco is actually paid half wages
That's actually grim desu.
I don't like this.

>>75710287
probably about 6 gorillion

>>75710334
Now you understand why they numberfag so hard

>>75710187
is this including supers and memberships?

>Zero homos mention
Yeah, theyre not beating the allegation of being subsidized by the girls

>>75710334
Anon, I...

>>75710287
And be like Kurosanji? Nah. Did you know they're hiring?

>>75708317
niji's CEO has a billionaire parents and siblings.

>>75710409
Still waiting for proof on that. All of you failed to provide other than vague bullshittery, schizophrenic scenarios and out of context dialogue.

>>75710480
Wheres the profitability of the homos on the report?
can you show it to me please?

>>75710513
None because it's the overall company eeport. That doesn't mean they're subsidized does it?

>>75710513
I asked for proof first retard. Don't give me that bullshit.

>>75710463
And how does that help the organs?

>>75710409
the female should support the male even if the male is dead weight

>>75710548
>>75710601
uh huh!?
See you when the "H2Pro" announcement then

>>75708737
Your whole company has issues. Where are those play buttons again?>>75708782

>>75710666
>No proof of subsidiary
Every time.

>>75710659
how’s about they all vanish, instead?

>>75708239
I can't say I'm super knowledgeable about business shit OR Hololive, but this was an interesting read. The plans they outline for expanding their viewerbase seem both easy to comprehend and feasible to execute.
Numbers are going up by sizable margins (+43% YoY revenue this quarter, hot damn) and they seem to be comfortably surpassing their earnings forecasts.
Overall it looks good; if I was an investor, this report would make me pretty confident in the company's continued growth. It seems congratulations are in order, Holobros.
But what the fuck is a Holoearth, anyways? It looks like some kind of ARPG?

>>75710659
>>75710728

>>75710513
Nta.
I genuinely think that cover paid homo less.
>inb4 that's against the law
No, holomems and homos have different jobs.
I even think that cover paid holomems differently.

>>75708239
Holodeities on top

>>75710776
You can do your mother a favor for mother's day by vanishing to an incinerator within the morgue

>>75710638
That's the neat part. It doesn't!

>>75710789
come back when armis get one member to 100k sub

>>75710776
soon, though they will only be separated because theyre still yagoo's pet project

>>75710802
This is unironically more likely. You earn less, you get paid less. You earn more, you get paid more.

>>75708239
Funny how there's no mention of any JP concerts but they mention all EN and ID concerts.
JP really just can't compete with EN.

>>75710856
You could save a lot of energy costs and mankind’s precious oxygen by backflipping into an active volcano, but you’d rather protect DA BOOOOOOIZ

>>75710870
One of them is pretty close. Your proof though? Doesn't exist.

>>75710914
The only problem is that homos arent profitable
>all the little money they produce arent enough to pay the homo staff

>>75710914
Isn’t that just having a job..? Well, a non-shit one.

HOLOLIVE DOMINATION

>>75710980
Better than going around shitting on something that doesn't cater to me. But hey great idea, why don't you demonstrate it for me?

2021 was really the best time. Everyone is just having fun until the normies attacked. Now even the class bully know what vtubers are.

>>75710983
>been sub 100k for god how long
>close
awwww, no leech no sub gain
and the fact no one want to collab with him outside ollie
awww
poor sub human

>>75710990
I'll chop my own balls off if the homo's aren't profitable, its impossible

>>75710638
>niji
>help the organs
kek

>>75709865
Yes only the corps perspective matters. Fuck the individuals.

>>75711056
>demonstrate kicking you into a volcano
If only, but that’d be murder, and that’s a no-no.

>>75710990
What little they have is apparently enough to pay the homo staff considering one of their best became a director of the branch and were able to hire 4 more as a result.

>>75710914
>>75710990
I remember, a homofag once said that some homos are so poor that one of them forage wild vegetables for food.

>>75711070
You asked. I answered. Your proof though? Oh that's right. You have none.

>>75711124
>one of their best became a director of the branch
You mean the pro-CGDCT Mr Jap?

>>75710914
No shit. Do you think they just pool all the money meant to be distributed to the talents and divide it equally? The homosexuals are earning their wages, but the question remains how much investments goes into their concerts and projects and what is the total revenue generated? Because part of Cover's costs are beyond renumeration of talents include investments into their projects. It's likely the homos don't lose money per se, but rather they have a much higher opportunity cost. $1 invested towards Gura will generate far more than $1 invested towards the homosexuals.

>>75711082
Well then better chop them off now since you failed it already.

>>75710405
That's the total they are paying the talents but it includes All JP/EN/ID and the stars. So the average is being dragged down quite a bit.

>>75711063
Turns out that there were several class bullies which instigated the great majority of recent shitflinging, and they have yet to ever get called to the principal’s office.

>>75711188
sure anon
i'm sure star is not flop and leecher
poor star, no more fest for them
if only their fan support them and watch them

>>75711115
>The unicorn lacks reading comprehension

>>75711158
I'm sure you can find a clip for that. Right?

>>75711246
link where it says they lose money

>>75709411
>>75708829
I truly hope you aren't this retarded

>>75708239
turns out Cover didn't do so good

>>75711297
>everyone I don’t like is a unicorn
Also, I don’t abide by your “no u” tactics. I’ll make of your drivel what I like to, same as you twist reality to believe the homos have any place at all.

>>75708239
Damn, even the streaming and content revenue is going up. I guess it was false when people said vtubing was dying after pandemic. I guess the tourists just fucked off or something while the core audience remained.

>75711291
Could someone summon Clippy or Grammarly to correct this imbecile's spelling, grammar, and syntax? I don't really want to bump the thread doing so.

>>75708239
>Actual streaming revenue barely increased with the vast majority of revenue increase coming from concert tickets and merch sales
There is a Gura joke to be made here, but alas. Good for Cover either way though.

>>75711100
You're clearly shit posting, but nowhere did I say heil corpo. I'm saying from Cover's perspective as a business, these are the only numbers that matter. Your take is pretty silly given just how much Cover gives back to its talents. If evenly distributed, every one of them would make over $370k a year. That's including the homos like the new EN homo gen, who currently have 3 members with sub $10k in lifetime SCs.

>>75708709
MODS?!

>>75710782
I would be vary as investor from this report
sure the company is making more money, but is it making more customers?
That's kinda critical information when estimating long term profits

at glance yes the growth is on green, but closer inspection might reveal that some channels are barely holding their nose above waterline

>75711460
>No arguments
awww, poor little starfan
utututututu
please don't cry

>>75711414
G R I M

>>75710409
>Yeah, theyre not beating the allegation of being subsidized by the girls

>>75710782
On second thought, I might have to rescind my congratulations.
Why the fuck is like 80% of this thread infighting? Shouldn't you guys be celebrating the great successes of your favourite corpo?
Get your priorities in order, lads. Jesas.

>>75711571
kek

>>75711212
>Unironically lumping Holostars management with Hololive management
I'm sorry. I thought Holostars isn't hololive? What changed?
the big titty gorilla that was managing Axel became the director of StarsEN

>>75709217
32.200 Finanas. But Finana is a measurement for live viewers, if we converted it to FinSubs it would be 19.3 FinSubs(FinSubs are fluctuating and losing value, so this information might out of date once you see it).

>>75709411
dont bring up niji jp, the holokeks cant handle seeing successful male vtubers doing better than their female talents.

>Who cares about how bad the homos are doing? Just look at the profit!
>Meanwhile: Niji profit increases quarter by quarter
>Rumao rumao NijiEN’s profit is in the shitter, who cares how well the company as a whole is doing?
Explain this autism.

>>75711580
First time dealing with falseflaggers?

>>75711571

>>75711477
Does that 10k number takes into account memberships?

>>75711635
>increases

>>75711291
>>75711188

>>75710782
What is MD in the ip thing? I only know master duel.

>>75711580
Lots of 'em just don't like the homos and rightly so.

>>75711652
why are nijifags unable to create anything appealing or creative

>>75711580

>>75711668
<this you right now?

>>75711571
>>75711593
>>75711652
>Still no proof

>>75711356
Did you even read my post?
I don't watch homos, i don't even know how they sounds like.
Yeah, i read post about homos here and i didn't want to watch homos stream to confirm it.

>>75711663
Memberships can't be used as reliable income sources unfortunately because they could just be sent in meme money (ARS) and sites like Playboard don't track them.

>>75711571
>This is a lie
They only loan holo resource

>>75711635
did you forget about this lol

>>75710409
Purrrisu support armis Yagoo said so

>>75711731
>>75711668

God, this place is just as bad as /pw/

>>75711692
Short hand for [M]erchan[D]ise I'd wager, considering the icon.

>>75711477
>nowhere did I say heil corpo
You did when you claimed that CCV is meaningless because it's not in a financial report.

>>75709706
>226k
Total right? Offline and in-person?
50k increase in viewership is massive, holy shit

>>75711802
>>75711731

>>75711739
Good to know you talk out of your ass. Like everyone else on this board.

>>75711746
Ok yeah that makes sense, I was asking because get gifted often

>>75711605
Finana unit is standardized and will not change or lose value.

>>75711755
What does that have to do with their quarterly earnings?

>>75711718
>pretending stars were ever like before this.

>>75711070
Hey, since you posted Finana do you know if she will do a 500k endurance stream? She only has to lose 2k more subs to reach it!

>>75711817
I wouldn’t know, so you tell me.

>>75711861
>>75711802

funny how every thread like this sisters try to convince people homostars aren't the second most hated blight after nijisanji

>>75711842
>Unironically the numbers in these financial report are the only numbers that matter at all to Cover or Nijisanji. They don't give a shit about total CCV or watch hours, those are numbers a streamer worries about on an individual level.

>>75711651
>>75711718
Oh, right, I forgot that it's impossible for any corpo discussion on the catalog to NOT devolve into tribalist shitflinging. Carry on, then.

>>75711902
You know that's anycolor stock and not anycolorEN or some cope shit, right? It's a fact that the company overall had a disastrous quarter, unlike your fanfiction.

>>75711876
First time on 4chan, retard?
Go back if you don't like it.

>>75711945
>>75711731
>>75711955
literally only unicorn hate star
those pathetic nigger should let the boi collab with the girl

>>75709706
This company just earned back the money they spent on the 3D studio with that fes revenue alone. That's how you know Hololive is winning in the end

>>75711955
they got comfy because much of the shitposting was towards niji.

>>75711964
And then you seethed about people posting about CCV. Your entire point is "if the numbers you post about are not found in the financial reports, they're irrelevant".

>>75712024
What time is it in Philippines?

>>75712024
>the boi
What a fagoot.
>>>/lgbt/

>>75711903
Oh they were never liked. It's a perfect scapegoat to make unicorns more hated outside of /here/

>>75712031
I highly underestimated how much money fes generates

>>75711955
They always try to creep in during opportune moments, such as the doxxsite fuckery. Little do they know it’s as thin a veil as ever was conceived.

>>75712024
you don't have to be a unicorn to hate leeches. people hated kanata too for leeching.

Now they're just trolling

>>75708737
how? your nijiID already DEAD,we cant compare that sister lmao

>>75712084
>>75712095
>>75712157
unicorn spoted

>>75712162
Hey look, Gura finally stopped overlapping Biboo!

>>75712182
>spoted
ESL spotted.

>>75711955
Doesn't matter to me. Talk shit get hit. Cocks Acoomer? Fuck off. Want Holostars disbanded? Apply to Kurosanji because you have a lot in common. You don't watch stars but would rather watch the girls? Go nuts. Enjoy them.

>>75709949
Imagine having to rely on Cover's success to prevent their own downfall

I really don't think Anycolor can benefit from this because 2 companies worked differently and I doubt they are retarded enough to actually believe Anycolor is the same as Cover in terms of growth after seeing their shit performance

You realize Q4 was a recovery period for Anycolor, right? Only Q3 had the huge crash, everything stabilized after and started going back up

>>75712182
>ironmouse's manwhore
figures..

>>75712182
Show me the part of the cover report where homos are profitable please?

>>75711414
>1M
Now switch that to "Max"

>>75712204
Fuck you KEK

>>75712118

>>75712276
>everything stabilized after and started going back up
Okay, let's hear your proof for this.

>>75712275
If that's how it is it's sad that hololive gets dragged down by nijicancer while they also benefit from hololive doing well. Actual parasites on the industry

>>75712060
>Seethed about people posting about CCV.
Incorrect, I stated that Cover and Nijisanji as companies do not care about CCV. They care about profit. A stream could have 1,000 CCV but if the profit for that stream was $10k then it'd be all the same as 100,000 CCV with $10k profits on a financial report, because in the end that's all that matters. Considering this thread is about the financial report, it makes no sense to bring up a random stream's CCV to argue success. You could say there is a correlation between CCV and revenue, and that higher CCV translates to a larger fanbase, but the CCV of a single stream does not indicate either, especially if people in those CCV streams are not core consumers that will buy merch and become integrated into the ecosystem.

>>75712290
>>75711188

>>75711634
>dont bring up holo jp, the nijisiters cant handle
ftfy

>>75712276
>started going back up
Don't jinx sister. It might bite your ass hard next month

>>75712290
>>75711945

>>75712338
Wait for the report and you'll see

>>75712182

>>75712347
>>75712386
now kiss since both of you are faggots

Sisters are so assblasted all they can do is deflect now lmao. Hololive is thriving while homos and niji are dying

>>75712114
Nijisanji could never lol. Hololive dominating

>>75712275
They do. Sadly, the selen shock dropped cover down too since investors are pack animals who don't actually know the difference between cover and nijisanji.
>>75712276
>going back up

>>75711414
This is the dangers of being a public company and being beholden to shareholders. You might have a profitable quarter but investors would force the ceo and company to earn more just so the line goes up, and if the ceo disagrees theyvwould just replace him with someone that can do their bidding to the detriment of the entire company and customers.

>>75712165
niji id only failed because riku hired literal 2view chuubas and thought the brand would be enough to lure new viewers, 95% of them cant even hit 10k vod views in 2 weeks on a stream. the most successful one turns into a luxiem's leech and abandons her genmates to the crows.

>>75708239
>no mention of Pekora's concert
Was it a flop after all?

>>75712276
>Q4 is when SelenYab happend
G g guys Q4 was a recovery period for Anycolor

>>75712410
>still no proof
yawnnnnnnn

>>75712400
Okay, so what makes you think that anycolor q4 will be doing fine?
Faith?

>>75712476
>covers Q4 report is right there
>still no proof
Why are you retarded?

>>75712424
The gymnastics that homostars is somehow connected to NijiEN despite them being from different companies is just pitiful at this point.

>>75712084
3:32 pm rn

>>75712316
The entirety of Nijisanji, Phase Connect, Vshojo, Idol, the homos, and whoever the fuck else that isn’t from Hololive could fall into a sinkhole tomorrow and I wouldn’t shed a tear.

>>75712024
>>75712182

>>75712476
yawning wont make stars profitable

>>75708401
What was so special about 2023 that they had such a huge rise prior to the fallout?
Didnt the sayu thing happen during Q1

>>75712460
How strange! One of them seems to be doing very well for herself now that she has proper support, despite being part of a much, much smaller company. In fact, she's pulling in similar numbers to how Luxiem USED to get. What happened?

>>75712544
You can do your parents a favor and fall in the sinkhole yourself

>>75712276
>forgets that the FULL EFFECT of the Selen Shock will take effect in Q4, which includes all the shitstorms, backlash and crashes the previous 3 months
Better start praying for a miracle, sister. There's a reason why people are dreading the GRIM fate of Nijisanji this Q4, not the Q3 as you claim.

>>75712532
It's because of the fanbases they share you dumb fuck.

>>75712276
Please remember that the safeguard on selling nijistocks to oblivion is still in place indefinitely. I know you fuckers are relying on this loophole.

>>75712583
>debut buff
>barely sub 4k
LMAO

>>75712569
Posting in this thread doesn't give me the proof that they're subsidized.

>>75712031
That's 2 billion in revenue, actual profit was 20% of that. Still pretty amazing though, that means fes alone could pay for the studio in 5 years and they obviously use it year round

>>75712618
By this reasoning HoloJP and NijiJP also share fanbase

>>75712618
I don't see any homostar fans being as rabid as Nijicorns.

>>75712596
That’ll make me care about shit you jack off to, yeah. You really can’t build bridges, even with all the materials in the world being provided for you, can you? I'm just going to assume all Stars fans are from Africa, if that’s the case.

>>75711902
That was right after the previous report retard

>>75712674
Not 20%, above 20%
Pretty significant distinction when we're talking about millions of dollar

>>75711512
god you're such a chink

>>75712706
>CGDCT share fanbase with fujobait
RETARDEDANONCHAMA

sometimes people exaggerate the amount of SEAs on this board but this thread is making me think otherwise

>>75712500
The concerts were profitable despite what /vt/ says

What the fuck. Holomie is real now? I thought it was just a joke from the time I used to watch Reine.

>>75712827
>hololive winning
>niji lose
>sea hours
you guess it

>>75712532
They're not saying Homo=NijiEn. They're just saying that Homo and NijiEn deserves to be 6 ft. under.

>>75708601
Those are all from EN though. JP is failing hard.

>>75712835
>were profitable
Source on thia?

>>75708239
OH NO SISTER,ITS OVER

>>75712821
If homos the only thing that popped out in your mind when we're talking about NijiJP, then I'm afraid you're terminally gay anon.
Especially when holomen literally did a fucking survey last year and surprise, surprise, most nips are fans of both HoloJP and NijiJP

>>75712663
Ofcourse!
Homobeggar doesnt want to read Cover Q4 report because hes afraid of reality

>>75712869
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3m4sRvPgwH/?igsh=dG14ZG85djF6ODhh

>>75712316

>>75712889
Oh well I think NijiEN and unicorns should be put in a grinder.

>>75712835
They didn't need to be profitable. They needed to be SUPERB to meet their own horrifically low promises. On top of that, the branch that they called their future is now entirely fucking dead. It's honestly a coin toss between the roflmao and chronoir spam saving them or nijiEN taking the entire fucking company down with it.

>>75712869
>indomie
Hey, i know that brand.
I love the one with yellow package, chiken soup?

>>75712869
It's pretty underwhelming collab tho

>>75712956
Cover Q4 Report is not proof of subsidiary. The horns in your head impair your critical thinking.

>>75712971
Woah, cool! Happy for them. That's such a small but incredibly nice win.

>>75713007
Ah... homobeggars in denial
CLASSIC!

>>75712835
They need 10 billion yen and they need it two months ago, sister.

When is the Anycolor Q4 report supposed to drop?

holy fuck PLEASE for the love of god. I live in a major city and I'd kill for them to sell official merch near me.

>>75713043
>No proof
As usual

>>75711859
Its including expo and fest, minus 50k from that and you have the number of fest tickets sold.

>>75712951
>If homos the only thing that popped out in your mind when we're talking about NijiJP
>clueless retard think nijiJP fanbase are not full of fujo
retardedanonchama do your reps first, nijiJP fanbase are luxiem fans in a nutshell, maybe do some research first,sometime i remember how clueless you retard can be, dont be like this if you dont want to be the laughing stock of jp fags.

>>75710782
This is kinda relevant because i was surprised when i interacted with a clip watcher who doesn't watch streams but still buy merch and attend cons last month.

>>75713085
Next month

It's fucking laughable that they think they can coast along if streaming to was randomly stop.

If everyone stopped streaming in Holo, The company will die instantly.

>>75708239
>biggest revenue is from merch
Jesus, can you imagine how jewed nijis got with their famous 2%?

>>75713106
Hes going for another loop!

>>75713122
>nijiJP
>Luxiem
How come Vox and Luca numbers' dropping into 3view then?

>>75713135
Holy ESL-chama

>>75713161
why do you think gura can just not streaming for MONTHS? cover made a fuckton from merch alone

>>75708980
Subbing is free. Look at the revenue per country. IDs aren't even on the chart kek

>>75710782
Holoearth is unironically one of the biggest question marks facing Cover in the near future. Dunno why this thread is arguing about homos when they are completely irrelevant to the thread. They make a small amount of profit in their little corner, no one gives a fuck except the obsessed homo haters and homo defenders.
Holoearth has 50 employees working on an open-world sandbox game and they've invested several millions into it already. They've been working on this for a few years already with very little to show for it other than a few concerts inside the game If it does well, it probably sets up Cover for a few good years. If it flops and doesn't make any money or get any players, that's going to be a lot of investment down the drain.

>>75713135
Nigga, Yagoo said in his last interview that Cover can sustain 10years of no profit

>>75712796
Projecting much brownie? I don't care about your third world hell hole

>>75713135
Zhang, what the fuck are you on about?

>>75713135
It's fucking laughable that antis think holofans care about streaming.
Hololive is no longer a streaming company.
It's an entertainment company.

>>75713253
if you believe that you really are an idiot.

>>75712674
>>75709706
So that means the previous HoloFES wasn't the last right?

>>75713254
>he thinks I mean literal bridges
Thank you for confirming my suspicions that I am dealing with a simpleton.

>>75713124
Most fans unironically do not watch streams. It's why this board's obsession with streaming hours and CCV is so stupid.

>>75713263
You'd think they understand that by looking at the fucking graph, but alas, sisters are too dumb

>>75712573
Cuckxiem 1st anniversary, it was also the last lockdown for chinksisters, coincidentally also the last time before the bubble burst.

>>75713250
>open-world sandbox game
no its not, its a multi functional system
It has games and can be use to deliver concerts and streams

>>75713092
Your local anime store doesn't stock up or accept custom order for Holo stuff?

>>75713297
Youre a high school student arent you?

>>75713297
Anon, sora was streaming for 13 people back then.
Nta, but i believe that cover can sustain 10 years without profit.

>>75713190
>How come Vox and Luca numbers' dropping into 3view then?
anon,you literally post the reason because they are the same fanbase, you think luxiem rise out of nowhere? like suddenly "poof bunch of fujo summoned from hell" ? LMAO its the same fujo from chronoir etc while holoEN is actually the opposite, theres so many actual "normie" who doesnt know about jp vtuber when holoMYTH out and they are still sticking to gura till now btw.

>>75713302
I accept your concession. Fall in a manhole.

>>75713318
Games as in mini-games? I'm still not sure if Holoearth is trying to be Second Life or Palworld

>>75713297
you think the CEO of COVER would make such a big bold lie like that? retard.

>>75713250
It's literally VR Chat, but holo.
And theoretically, it doesn't need to make money from player, their vision is to make Holo Earth as 3D concert venue and maybe huge emphasis on maybe cut 3rd party streaming service completely.

>>75713305
>Search chuuba in numbersite
>Screenshot numbers
>Post bait
>Profit

>>75713364
No it's like all anime shit and import foods like mochi.

also I never noticed this section. Interesting.

>>75712663
There will never be proof that Holostars are being subsidized. That'd be a one way ticket for investors to shut down the entire branch if they realize the ROI on Stars was significantly less than the ROI on a Hololive girl. At best we can estimate their total earnings, then compare it with the average cost of investing in them. Let's take Goldbullet from the latest Holostars EN gen.
>$10,373 in total SCs
He averages about 500 concurrent viewers a day and 8k views per non-debut VOD. Let's assume his 500 concurrent viewers are $5 members (US currency) and that he gets $1 for every 100 views (a very generous cut).
>$2500 a month from memberships
>$8,000 from total VOD views
Given that he's been in the company for half a year, that's an additional $15k.
In total, he's managed to come up with about $33k in earnings. Lastly, let's assume that he's sold merch equivalent to how much he's earned in his lifetime (another generous estimate). That would give him total earnings of $66k. Cover will take about 1/3 of his earnings, or about $22k, as part of their cut. That $22k can be used to reinvest in the talents or be held onto for profits. Since every member has a manager, let's assume his manager makes the minimum U.S. wage at $7.25. That's $8.5k for his manager. That leaves $13.5k. Now consider other costs, like equipment, a Live2D model, hiring an artist and rigger to make that model, ads, 3D, paying for his flights and room and board when he travels, paying a base salary, licensing costs, merchandise production costs, costs to secure cover songs, and other promotional costs. Could that all be covered by the remaining $13.5k that Cover received from him? Does it look like it could?

>>75713405
All of it anon, thats why its taking too long
I just hope they release the sandbox version first and let us retards do the creative work for them(for free to booth)

>>75713383
You're retarded if you think it's NijiJP that populated Luxiem in the beginning. Everybody knows it's bilibilitards.

>>75713405
I think it's closer to second life.
Anyway, holoearth is yagoo's dream game.
Think of it like riku's yatch.
Except on this case everyone can ride the yatch.

>>75710782
read that as "farming passionate fandom", i played to many mmos

>>75713432
dunno about cover but riku would definitely did

>>75708239
>+43% YoY
Whew lad.

Nijikek status?

>>75711817
I mean I could bring over /pw/ shitposts and they would transfer perfectly to /vt/
>Kek you really god the 'cord seething with this one

>>75713516
You're talking to bait, retard.

>>75711983
Yes? And look at cover’s stock, it’s in the shitter too. What does Cover’s and Anycolor’s stock price have to do with my initial post about their earnings?

>>75713536
>but riku would definitely did
yeah, that part I agree lmao

>>75712573
The industry as a whole didnt really give a shit about Zaion's situation at the time, since she was only there for like a month.
It wasn't until longtime members who had actual effects on vtubing culture like Selen and Pomu left that people started to question things.

>>75710659
The males could absolutely support themselves if they'd stop revolving themselves around the girls. I'm not even saying this as a unicorn. They could actually gather a dedicated fanbase that's willing to give them more money and support but they think because they get big numbers on collabs with the females, then that's what they have to keep doing when it only gives them temporary attention. In the end the girls' fans aren't going to care enough about them to give them a significant profit. They're so fucking dumb.

>>75713483
>70 mods and Kronii's are still the only ones to not shut the fuck up

>>75713403
Since you are incapable of convincing me to actually like the fags, I’ll accept that you equally cannot hold any power, save for milquetoast quips. In that case, perish in inevitable obscurity.

>>75713539
Glorious.

>>75710187
Given that the top twenty members made up 40% of the revenue it's more applicable to use a scaling ratio where the top twenty gets 40%, the next 20 gets 40% of the remainder, and so on

Covers revenue in FY 2024 was
>30165 MILLION JPY
>193.5 MILLION USD
Iirc last year it was around 160 MIL USD

isnt the fact that streaming revenue is the same showing that the fans are basically paying the same but spreading out between talents as new talents come in? Shouldnt the expectation be that it goes up the more talents debut?

>>75713550
Company A has more vtubers, which is a good thing.

>>75713550
>8
KEK
Wait who's company B? Vspo?
>>75713596
Are they still doing that? For the love of god I hate it when mods do that.

>>75713639
I’m sure that’s unironically what Riku says when he talks to them.

>>75713624
It's not a flat wage. Don't they just get commissions based on superchats, merch, etc? The average is just an average.

>>75713494
NTA but I don't think their management falls under U.S wage laws considering all of Stars management are apparently based in Japan. While this is assumption, Cover is apparently capable of covering these costs if they kept Holostars up for years.

As far as I'm concerned none of the girls are complaining about their money going elsewhere since they usually complain about something else. (Perms, studio time, outfit showcases, big group Collabs, etc.)

>>75713383
You are assuming that all of them are declining at equal rates, or all of them had the same fanbase.
Vox --> Mostly Chinese fujos
Shu --> Mostly Japanese fujos
Mysta --> Mostly Indonesian fujos
Luca --> Mostly North American yumes
Ike --> Mostly Yumes
Sure they all declined at around the same time, but that's because each one fucked up in their own spectacular ways. Luca was the strongest until recently, his decline has followed a very different trajectory from Vox. Shu is stronger than the others currently, because JP is still fairly loyal to Nijisanji.

>>75713603
If I wanted to shill. It wouldn't be here, retard since this entire board doesn't even care anyway.

>>75713634
Not really? Between Advent and ReGloss there's not enough members to make streaming revenue jumps significantly.
We're literally talking in billions of yen metric here, in order for the number to rise significantly they need Coco/Rushia level of SC and membership

>>75713443
>cut 3rd party streaming service completely.
I don't think this can ever happen due to Youtube (and Twitch) having a stranglehold on livestreaming. If you need to open up an app or program to watch streams like for the recent Nexus chuubas, kiss your casual audience goodbye. Best you can do it start up another site like Kick. but idk if Cover is working on that. I know they tried to replace twitter with Holoplus but I don't see many people using that over Twitter.

>>75713550
Who is company B there? VSpo or VShojo (both starts with B / V)?

>>75713705
The girls don't complain because they would get terminated for saying anything bad about the homos.

>>75713516
>You're retarded if you think it's NijiJP that populated Luxiem in the beginning. Everybody knows it's bilibilitards
>niji fujo are chinks
HOLY RETARD, where the hell are you come from? reddit? lmao thats literally what nijiJP fujos KEK

>>75713759
I'm not talking about streaming service, I'm talking about SPWN and the likes.

>>75713647
Obviously
>A : Anycolor
>B : Brave Group

>>75712720
There are Homostar fans?

>>75713767
Probably Brave group

>>75713786
Applying a Luxiem template to Homostars is retarded and it shows why you're stuck here with the rest of us.

>>75713808
Oh okay I see lmao. Yeah if they can make a good alternative for that it would be nice. I forgot who they used for Holosummer last year, that ended up being a complete disaster.

>>75713767
BRAVE I think, Vspo hasn't reached 10 million susbscribers cumulatively

>>75713805
>>75713516

>>75713848
ZAN I think, and they're acquired by BRAVE, the Vspo parent company, last year

>>75713624
Something I find funny is that like cover, Anycolor's top 20 vtubers ALSO make up more than 40% of the revenue (except they make up even MORE than cover's 20)

...But Cover has 85 talents listed. AC had 159.
That's the top 24% making around 40% of revenue for cover, while the top 13% made even MORE than that for the company for AC.
But there is no favoritism in Nijisanji. Come, join Nijisanji and become part of the bottom rung on the pyramid!

>>75713738
That’s quitter’s talk. If you seek to convince anyone, then meet them with an open heart. Even despite my protests, I was once still ready to tolerate them, up until management fucked up. If you don’t want to, things are just going to remain as-is until the headwind may beck in your favor, if ever.

>>75713825
Can't say I'm surprised since you spend all your time /here/.

>>75713786
It's Hololive, not Nijisanji, sister. Hololive doesn't even punish its member for complaining about the management / corpo, much less about the homos

>>75713913
At this point, Niji is just a trap.

>>75713917
Convincing me to change this board's mindset is retarded and I'm not falling for it.

>>75713913
>13%
Ayo hol up a minute

>>75713913
I mean, have you seen the sheer amount of Chronoir/ROF-MAO merchs last year?

>>75713786
Actually I'm confident that most of the girls do not even think about the homos
And why would they? They're busy dealing with their own issues while the homos are in another branch

ADVANCE RECEIVED DIPPED!!!!

AHAHAHAHAHA! IT'S OVER HOLOKEKS! AHAHAHA!

>>75713705
>None of the girls are complaining abou their money going elsewhere
True, but they also wouldn't know if that money is going elsewhere. Cover takes a cut of all their profits, and from that pool reinvests in the talents. If the Hololive side didn't exist, would Holostars be able to pay for all those costs with their cuts from their profits? Some of them like Roberu, I'd believe. Some of them like Goldbullet, I'd be dubious of. Remember, besides just managers, they have a director, a media coordinator, and a 3D studio they can utilize for concerts. If the studio didn't exist, they'd need to shell our money each time they had a 3D event. Thankfully because they do have a studio, they can use that instead. But that studio cost over $8 million, and Holostars is about 20% of the organization. Do you think the overall profits of Holostars as an organization, after all the expenses spent on promoting and supporting them, could have raised $1.6m?

>>75713973
So be it. If it amounts to anything, I wish you well, anyways.

>>75713624
It won't be a one to one but yeah that's probably the best bet to get a rough estimate

>>75713725
idk why its so hard to understand about these fujos? you want proof? you can literally go back to the recent nijiconcert that those nijisister keep bragging everywhere, "LOOK AT HOW MANY CHINK AND SEAMONKEY FUJO THAT STILL SUPPORT NIJI"
those fujos support NIJISANJI,heres the funny thing,the only "BIG" males vtuber are fujobait,they are not brotuber or gamer like from neoporte etc and guess where all those big vtuber? they are all niji,chronoir,ROFMAO etc and those fujo are the same they are JP/China/sea fujo,western fujo is not even a fraction of them.

lmao

>>75713924
If they have fans, why are their numbers so low? Do they not watch streams?

>>75714008
Try that again, but in English this time.

This thread is just a bunch of adult 30-40yo men in the same fanbase pretending to not know English while also pretending to be someone they're not while fighting with each other. How do you all live with yourselves?

>>75713550
kek

>>75713725
>luca: mostly north american
eh it's significant but I'd hardly say "mostly"

>>75711580
Success always breeds a lot of jealousy anon
First time on 4chan?

>>75713550
I bet half of this company A's yearly revenue is contributed by the Rofmao chuubas, Kuzuha and Kanae

There is no way they have double amount of chuubas and yet they only earned less than half of Cover's

>>75714106
What's he thinking right now?

>>75714014
This is a stupid take, why would they need separate director, media coordinator etc for homos?
Managers are an absolute necessity given they're the one that handle the talent, but there is absolutely zero need for separate staff for every other aspect of business.

>>75714014
Well say if Hololive didn't exist and it's just Holostars. They wouldn't be having the stuff already earned by them and they'd work small-scale. If they are still marketed as male idols, not a lot of the JP audience would watch them and they wouldn't grow big. Sure they wouldn't be earning millions but they'd still exist as a minor entity and would be about 8 years behind if they go the route they always did.

It would be a different story if they were marketed as something else though.

>>75714170
They didn't. That's per vtuber.

>>75714160
Luca always streamed in American hours so he could creep on the girls who streamed in that time.
Ironically because he lives in australia that is a super inconvenient time for him

>>75714122
3view isn't as low as you'd think. And considering that they sold out over Nijimales, I think that's proof enough that they do.

>>75713494
>hat'd be a one way ticket for investors to shut down the entire branch if they realize the ROI on Stars was significantly less than the ROI on a Hololive girl
Eh, not really. It can be underwritten as a counter to prevent a monopoly on male talents by competitors. Having a small presence in the market is more important than marginal losses. Can't win a horse race if you don't enter a horse. Because realistically, how much are the losses for the entire branch annually in a worst case scenario. (I'm of the opinion they're break even at worst)

>>75710463
Source?

>>75714237
Luca never creeped on any girl. Any girls who interacted with him were doing it because they liked him and because he's very charismatic. The "Luca is a creep" narrative was mostly cope from Pomies and rosebuds who hated him because they were unicorns but didn't want to come across as pathetic so they blamed everything on Luca.

https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_ID/status/1789928796923048103
ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST

>>75714193
Shinove used to be a Stars director, and I do not know of any girls that he managed. Axel's precious manager is now a director of Stars EN, and I doubt she is in charge of anything on the girls' side. As for media coordinator, it's a matter of one coordinator not having enough time to manage all the girls, let alone the boys too. Likely there are several coordinators that secure different sponsorship and merchandising deals for their respective talents.

>>75714334
Who?

>>75714327
Raziel might disagree

>>75714334
Bonbon? Thank god he's out of there, at least. Hope he ends up okay.

>>75714334
Thank God Uncle Bonnie got out of there

>>75714327
He masturbated on VC to a woman's voice.

>>75714334
VShojo sends its regards.

>>75714347
Shinove accompanied Mori to the Trash Taste thing for some reason

>>75714334
Last Stream
>4 months ago
>Lethal Company
You cannot make this shit up

>>75714485
kek

>>75714334
I’m actually happy for him.

>>75714521
Who's the semen demon next to him on the left? Please tell me there's porn.

>>75714514
Nope, that was J-chad

>>75714334
It was a long time coming, his health issues are real. Cool guy honestly, just hope for his good health and future

>>75714521
Is this just Banderas with glasses?

>>75714574
Lifeline from apex legends

>>75714327
yeah totally not creepy insisting you go with rosemi to victoria's secret

>>75710802
I mean... yeah that's how it works. The company pays cuts from what each talents earns. They have a cut from merch, Superchat, memberships, sponsorship etc. I believe Cover pay a minimum wage salary on top of it because the talents are employees, but that's peanuts compared to everything else.

Membership is unironically the least variable income for the talents. Assuming they get about 1/3 of it, with 5000 members at the lowest 5$ subscription that's about 8300$ USD a month. And that's a low estimate, most Holo have more members than 5000.

>>75714334
bonbon o7

>>75714327
Masturbating on unsuspecting woman while on VC is literally the definition of a creep, sister.

yeah we holochads don't need to watch streams anymore we all about concerts and events now

>>75714574
I assume you;re talking about Etna Crimson.

>>75714766
What stage of grief are you at, anon?

>>75714835
I'm just sharing my sentiments with >>75713312 and >>75713263

>>75714766
isn't that the sisters? I swear I've seen at least twice in the past week how they don't actually watch streams and only pop in for 1-5 minutes to count as a "view" before leaving.

>>75714766
based chumbud

>>75714902
You're not fooling anyone sister

>>75709140
>he thinks star citizen will ever release
It's been well over a fucking decade and that shit still only has one system to show for it. Game is still a bug riddled mess. They were too ambitious.

>>75708239
Hololive just keeps on winning. You love to see it.

>>75714956
you're a retard if you think what those 2 said is anything but not retard take

>>75708709
Meds

>>75715075
It should be higher if theres no subsidized homos

>>75715076
Cover literally reiterating their goal to be an entertainment/IP company in their financial report.
But of course you went with no streaming instead

>Holostars has a massive growth in revenue and popularity
t.homobeggars delusion

>>75715132
Do you understand how revenue works retard?
If homos weren't there then Cover revenue would be less, not more, no matter by how small it is.

>>75715234
>then Cover revenue would be less
homos are in red for years though

>>75715276
Revenue is not profit, retard.
Go back to middle school.

>>75713924
I'm a touristfag. Visited this site for a few days over the course of Doki drama. I haven't spent more than 40hrs in /here/. I still don't see much homostars fan.

>>75715017
>Star citizen still a thing (and not yet released) in the year of our Lord 2020+4
How the fuck are there still gullible idiots who still keep funding this scam? If people think Unicorns and Sisters are delusional, Star Citizen backers should be institutionalized.

>>75715172
yes they want to become an entertainment/IP company but it's laughable to say
>It's fucking laughable that antis think holofans care about streaming.
>Hololive is no longer a streaming company.
Yes, streaming revenue isn't as important important but everyone still cares about streams.

>>75715457
So you agree this faggot >>75714766
is a sister, right?

>>75715520
yes

>>75715586
Post tits

>>75710782
What does this mean actually? And how will they do this
Because by the looks of it, seems like the fanbase wants the opposite

>>75715586
fucking kek

>>75715743
CR Cup happened literally yesterday, unicorn-kun.

>>75715444
The only money I ever spent on it was the initial starter pack. I haven't played it for years because there's always new issues with the game. One of my friends is an idiot and keeps spending on it though.

>>75715743
Wait till you see VCR Minecraft next month

>>75715743
It probably refers to things like the VCR events, the Rikka-Suisei vsinger program, the various tournaments they participate in, etc.
VCR in particular showed results in the growth of many talents, despite unicorn seething about it. Aki is the best example.

>>75711899
But it's a unit measuring CCV. Using Finanas to measure subscribers is like using liters to measure the weight of something, it's simply the wrong unit.

>>75715743
The bottom arrow looks like it's explaining how they'll attract new fans, through a pipeline of
>Non-fan becomes aware of Hololive via supplementary media like games
>Starts looking deeper into the vtuber scene (watching streams, participating in the community, etc.)
>Gets invested and becomes a dedicated fan

>>75714347
>As for media coordinator, it's a matter of one coordinator not having enough time to manage all the girls, let alone the boys too.
And you can see the effect on their social media team (If they still have one atm)