/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

idol are getting pretty desperate huh?

this is a good thing for the entire vtubing industry. two thumbs up!

>>75645668
I think they should also let their vtubers get a higher cut around 95% since yt gets a cut and government for tax.

>>75645154
That should just be the standard imo.
The talents should own their character if they brought it into the corpo and I even think that graduating talent that got a model from the corpo should be able to buy the rights to that model for a reasonable amount when they leave. It's not like the corpos do anything with that model after the talent leaves, so might as well let them buy it.

>>75645940
iirc all of their contracts are unique so i'm pretty sure it's negotiated

>>75645940
A base salary at least above minimum wage would be good too, since holo and niji gets one.

>>75646058
>niji gets one
Someone tell him.

>>75646058
>niji
>Base salary
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

>>75646058
Hololive gets a base salary, Nijis get the honor of knowing that their earnings go to the construction of Riku's yacht

>>75645665
You know they are desperate when they're lying. Idol stole their IP (for the first 2 years). He can terminate them at any time and they cant do anything, they also cant leave either
Pochi: lost ip
Riro: lost ip
Yuko basically already left the company, pic related
On the jew branch had to redebut with a different persona because idol corp wouldn't let her have hers
They also have no benefits. We already know from Pochi that they dont get paid and that they steal donothon money

You'll be hearing a lot more "starbucks" stories soon

>>75646058
Tourist
KEK

>>75646128
I thought there was some kind of changes behind the scene where niji began paying salary when michi talked about payments and stuff from her ex employers.

>>75646366
By payments she means the stuff she earns on stream, Nijis don't get a base salary and most likely never will

>>75646366
I think in that case, salary is the percent from donations, merch. Not a base salary.

>>75645154
This is great. Hopefully it puts competitive pressure on other companies to let their talents own their IPs.

>>75646205
He's speaking of people who will come in with their IP. None of those chuubas did. Idol created those IPs. So I wouldn't expect them to keep them when they leave, and become competition for Idol, unless they pay a hefty fee for them. (Which I don't think Idol offers - selling the IP to the chuuba is a PC thing.)

>>75645154
I mean phase was doing it too until the yuri situation now makes it look like a joke on their part. it's unlikely aviel would have said "yes but with several strings attached and clauses to that statement according to our contract sections 23a and 26b-d " because I mean if you asked fishman this exact same question he would have responded probably the exact same way instead of precisely-explain it.

then again I could also see him being like "yes they keep it literally no matter what" because I mean what is actually-gained by sitting on that IP after the chuuba is gone. what's fishman gonna do with yuri's IP, sockpuppet it? go sell coffee with her face on it even though she's been dead and gone from the company? unlikely. the move was literally his biggest fumble so far. even if she deserved to get the boot 100%, stealing her model just looks like pure spite.

>>75646412
>>75646428
I see thanks for the clarification

>>75646205
>>75645154
he forgot to say, you can only keep the IP if you pay the full jew price for it

>>75646205
riro was a retard that fucked her manager
pochi was a retard that tried to dip after taking everyones money
yuko was a retard that burnt down her gfe fanbase with a PARASOCIAL FUCKS moment
if any of the other girls do retarded shit then they deserve everything coming to them

>>75645154
phasecucks, like the known IP thiefs they are, on suicide watch.
>inb4 what
Yuri.

>>75645154
Don't use my oshi to shitpost (Aviel do karaoke please)

>>75645154
So what the point of vshojo anymore? Other than a clique group poaching from other corpo.

>>75646450
I've been thinking, as a hypothetical, if hololive or nijisanji did this, would their model be compatible with other vtuber software?

>>75646205
impressive that you managed to write so much text when you clearly can't fucking read

>>75646553
Branding effect if someone leaves with their vtuber ip, anything they do afterwards using it would still affect the company they worked for since the model is still associated with it.
Imagine if rushia got to keep her vtuber model after all she did, what would jp sponsors think of hololive if they saw what rushia is doing right now.

>>75646587
But corpo bad though? Dramatubers told me vtubers are innocent and it's always the corpo that are completely in the wrong.

>>75645154
should have been since the beginning
and should be applied to literally every existing corpa vtubers

>>75646875
Anon, Nazuna literally streamed a week ago.

>>75645154
This is a good thing.

>>75646875
arguably he did far worse damage to the brand by jacking the model. if he let yuri keep it probably a minority (if any) people would have genuinely thought and argued that he ought to have -not- done that and ban her from her own model she brought in to the company. kinda defeats the point/marketing of invaders if that happens this easily; newcomers should get custom new models for phase so they can fall back on old identities if they leave it.

if someone leaves under bad circumstances (which is often the way people DO leave - it's not always a nice amicable split) yoinking the model just looks petty. not to mention, iirc we still have no statement on specifically-why she was even fired. so to us, all we see is "lol she's just gone now and we're keeping her shit too" - you tell me, who would want to join that? it's no wonder at all Lisa did not join.

Hard to not follow the path of vPoachjo when it's so much easier than "recruiting".
It basically outsources the entire thing "corpos" were meant to do (push the chuuba's growth) onto the chuuba themselves by waiting and grabbing them only once they surpass a certain popularity threshold.

People act like the "keeping your IP" thing is so huge but in reality it's the bare minimum you can expect from a poaching deal.
Imagine they said
>"hey why won't you come work for us by selling your chuuba IP to us? we'll basically do nothing for you since you're already big anyway. you should totally do this though because uhhh... we can help you with stuff or something..."

>>75645154
didnt they already fuck over on of their talent right at the start? i dont remember the details but i wouldnt trust a jew.

>>75646753
niji clique containment

>>75645154
Good, we want more vtubers to have rights

>>75647341
yeah, vshojo's approach is leeching on multi-track drifting levels. they don't really make new stars, they just take established ones in. JP corpos (even western small corpos like some of the bigger phase/idol girls) successfully can take 2view nobodies and turn them into successes. vshojo just takes in successes only, and actually they often don't even perform that well in the company anyway, like kson/nazuna/kuro etc none of those did better than they used to do. matara and henya are successes yeah but it's not guaranteed to work either.

>>75646944
Shut up Wilson, go suck Riku's cock some more

>>75647136
She didn't stay in Vshojo long enough for the brand to take effect.

>>75647136
And that's why vshojo jp is dead in the water

>>75647554
They could've kickstarted it, if they actually did auditions and hired some 3views. But no, they wanted the big fish from the start.

>>75647490
and hololive is just leeching off of sankisei. nijisanji is leeching off of mito. who cares.

>>75647554
they're too busy shipping Henya more reese's

>>75647723
As they should. Henya deserves all the reese's she wants.

Do you honestly think Vshojo fans are mad people are keeping their IPs? Is this what you call bait in 2024?

>>75647662
>leeching off the talents they nurtured themselves to be big
Is this guy for real?

>>75647490
>kson/nazuna/kuro etc none of those did better than they used to do
female nijifans and male holofans are psychotic cultists who worship the company
>matara and henya are successes
male nijifans and voms fans are not

>>75646875
>anything they do afterwards using it would still affect the company they worked for since the model is still associated with it
Nazuna, Vei, Nyanners, and Silvervale all left Vshojo. Vei started saying retard directly after leaving and people tried to cancel her. Everyone knows what happened with Nazuna. And Nyan has made jokes about Nijisanji and Hololive vtubers after leaving. None of it has had any effect on VShojo.

>>75647848
No, but whenever I argue with a VShojofag, they always bring "they can keep their IP" your argument is invalid. Their corpo has nothing going for it, just that.

>>75647855
those talents are only big because of the youtube algorithm. this entire industry can be boiled down to random chance + leeching from those blessed by random chance. "success is the result of hard work" is a lie both in the real world but especially the streaming space. it's all luck and connections.

>>75647855
He a nijinig, they only see each other as a cutthroat competition not a corpomate covering each other weakness.

>>75646412
>Nijis don't get a base salary and most likely never will
Yeah with them debuting a new group every month it's not feasible.

>>75646205
>"lost" IP
>Pochi
>Riro
>Yuko
their corpo IP was never "theirs" to begin with, are you being purposefully retarded?

>>75648006
YouTube algorithm can only get you so far. If you are not entertaining or do things that people don't wanna watch, it's useless.

>>75648203
being entertaining isn't that rare of a skill. there are hundreds of entertaining 1views out there for every successful streamer who just need eyes on them to blow up. but most of them will never get that.

>>75645154
This is objectively good for the industry, though. There’s literally no downsides to this unless you’re a soulless corporate husk.

>>75645154
>oh no no (insert fanbase here) keks
are these types of threads ever going to end?

>>75648262
>there are hundreds of entertaining 1views out there
Well, maybe VShojo should take them in. Oh, nevermind they can't even do auditions right.

>>75647905
> They can keep their ip
Nobody even cares whether they keep their ip or not, people would just move the goal post and tell the person behind the vtuber is what matters. Bunch of virtue signallers that won't even watch streams or support what they advocate for.
Especially the freedom thing with kson, everyone playing deaf ears to how a simple word caused a bunch of cn companies to pull out of hololive where even holoen got affected since gura can no longer stream musedash.

>>75648326
imagine being so tribal that you can't even have a civilized conversation about the industry you're obsessed with.

>>75648401
zhangbud you have been seething over muse dash perms for like 2 years now

>>75648408
How was I not civil with you? What are you smoking?

>>75648401(me)
Freedom my ass, expecting other people wouldn't get affected by their own actions.

>>75647895
Vshojo was never that kind of corpo. None of them, current or past, have their chuuba brands involved in a thousand things or elevated in a way where it would be pretty bad if the brand was abused.
Just look at the three Holos that Cover made statues of. It would be pretty fucking bad if Gura or Suisei graduated one day, and somehow were allowed to keep the brand Gura and Suisei (Suisei already sold her IP to Cover), and then they went on to do FC2 with it. Never mind the hundreds of other things those brands have been used for in terms of sponsorships, gacha shit, advertising, all of it.
Nazuna, Veibae, Silvervale and Nyanners never had anywhere near that level of "attachment" or "establishment." I'm not sure what the right word is, but you should get what I mean.

>>75645154
The difference int this case is that first Vshojo do not accept low 3view vtubers. Second is that 100% of dono and subs goes to Vshojo members. Lastly if you are not close to the Vshojo members / founding members then you can't get in.

>>75648616
Indeed, them hiring and massively investing on a big vtuber is less risky, compared to what Idol is doing now.

>>75648536
Nah I was just giving some example of the negative aspect of focusing too much on freedom without adding some sense of responsibility. Since for corpo vtubers their actions affect the image of the one they are working for and other vtubers within it, much like how idol's image is ruined with that girl fucking her manager.

>>75648538
imagine being so tribal you can't even recognize your random out of place tribal jab.

>>75648686
so you think she shouldn't have been allowed to say taiwan and the issue is that the rules weren't strict enough?

>>75648684
Idol is basically trying to be budget vshojo since they can't afford the take risks anymore after multiple girls already fucked them over.

It was upd8's idea though

>>75648684
>compared to what Idol is doing now
Normal things? The thing every other normal corpo does? There's only one corpo that 100% only ever nepohires from their immediate stream of orbiters.

>>75648746
Hololive became abit stricter with their rules after that taiwan yab, copyright strikes and youtube crackdown so I felt it was abit unfair people especially vshojo were throwing shade on hololive using 'freedom'.

>>75648687
You compared hololive and nijisanji actually raising and doing all kind of marketing for their talents to grow
vs
Vshojo who poaches those talents from them.
And called that leeching when it's a mutual collaboration between the talent and the company.
VShojo is the one leeching from other corpos who have to invest in auditions.
Then you start undermining their success to "just youtube algorithm".
What a fucking joke.

>>75648913
they could have just ignored the retarded screeching from the chinese instead of throwing coco under the bus in a failed attempt to appease them

Idol Janny is on a crusade to delete anything negative about the whole Idol Encore stuff

>>75648938
hololive never bought ads. both of us are only here from viral clips from some sea or chinese dude. there's no meritocracy in this industry and you're delusional if you think your favorite corporation's methods are better than another's.

>>75645989
i think there should be a % cut from the talents earnings until the model is payed off. then its hers. its of no use to the company anyway.

>>75646553
>then again I could also see him being like "yes they keep it literally no matter what" because I mean what is actually-gained by sitting on that IP after the chuuba is gone.
Owning the IP is a deterrent against the chuuba leaving/risking termination in the first place.

>>75646205
>riro
already had a pre existing IP that was kept independent from idol. the Riro IP was entirely new and corpo owned
>Pochi
did 2 donothons, refused to fufill goals for both, and attempted to graduate and leave with the donothon money before getting caught.
Also same as before, Pochi is a corpo owned IP
>Yuko
made her own bed by choosing to change her content entirely and focus more on her PL.
For the thrid time now.... Her IP is owned by the corpo

Do you even know who vtuber IPs work retard?
The only way you'd be justified here is if Ky0esu was also taken with the riro IP, and any of the new invaders like Meica ir Lisa lost theirs.

>>75649192
To be honest, without it someone can just apply to a corpo gain a model and following from their box and immediately leave after.

>>75649475
And that's how cyberlive died.

>>75649038
>hololive never bought ads
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/kdjblk/did_you_guys_also_got_the_hololive_ad/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/hfhzhq/an_ad_i_will_never_skip/
One of the reasons hololive started getting big in the west was the Azur Lane collab. From there clips started getting big and more and more people were getting recommended different clips of them.
Again, you try to undermine their success to "just luck", when there are a lot more factors that brought them success.

>>75645154
honestly im pretty happy about this there is no reason to lose everything you worked for just because you graduated.
Im glad to see the minor leagues are starting to adapt this too

>>75649970
I thought twitch delete streams after a period of time?

>>75649857
>ads a year after holo got popular
way after clippers did the work for them for free
>One of the reasons hololive started getting big in the west was the Azur Lane collab.
which they only got due to their partnership with bilibili. connections.
>Again, you try to undermine their success to "just luck"
no reasonable person would disagree. you're too emotionally invested in them to see things objectively.

>>75650184
thats why they upload vods to youtube
you are trying too hard to bait anon but nobody is pissed about this we are happy that the industry is starting to treat vtubers better

>>75646205
>We already know from Pochi that they dont get paid and that they steal donothon money
Juna said in a member stream that they only get 60% of the donothon money where Aviel said the telents get all the donothon money

>>75650258
Bigger cuts for vtubers and salaries should be normalized in the vtuber industry.

>>75646058
>niji gets one.

>>75650585

>>75645154
Good? And?

>>75646450
it won't
most of agencies are asian anyway (corpo cocksleeve zone)

>>75651132
774 has done it

>>75650249
>ads a year after holo got popular
Ignoring the fact that there probably were ads earlier than that... and that you said that they "never" bought ads...
What it means to be popular to you?
According to picrel Fubuki has now 4 times the subs she had then.
If they were popular then, what are they now.

>>75651768
>What it means to be popular to you?
popular enough for me to have heard of them. they were getting front page of reddit daily in april 2020.

>>75646058
>Niji organ
>get money from Riku
KEK nice joke

>>75646205
I'm not even an Idol cuck, but you're deliberately being disingenuous.

>>75650506
All of the donothon money after they take their cut*
From what I remember when he was on his transparency campaign, donations are better than merch and that was before Brave group took over their merch logistics

>>75646205
How the fuck did you people get 100 posts in a thread while completely misunderstanding what's said in the OP. It says PEOPLE WHO JOIN WITH THEIR OWN IPS, AS IN FUCKING INDIES, CAN KEEP THEIR IPS IF THEY LEAVE THE CORP. Not people who join and get a new IP.
Are you genuinely retarded?

>>75646553
Absolutely. Usurping Yuri's IP was a deliberate punitive move. Even if it was deserved (which it likely was), it was still a petty.

>>75652881
they're being disingenuous on purpose
>>75652894
phase is a black corpo like every other one. indie supremacy can't happen soon enough

>>75645154
That’s a good thing, it was never a monopoly sister. Take your head out of your ass and stop defending exploitative practices at least

>>75653076
You probably sucked over ten thousand dicks by now.

>>75652881
>the CEO of a black corpo would never lie
I bet you believe anything Riku says too like the good piggy that you are
/vt/ is infested by braindead retards

>>75653155
Ah yeah of course a person you hate is always lying and you are always saying the truth, thanks for your wisdom o wise anon.

>>75653155
Who should we believe then?

>>75653362
Anyone except the pathological liar with a known history of scams

>>75645940
I agree. It's why Mouse hates graduations, they feel like a funeral instead of a celebration. Vshojo has been pushing for this to be a standard across vtubing for awhile now. Everyone benefits from this.

>>75646753

>>75649192
>Owning the IP is a deterrent against the chuuba leaving/risking termination in the first place.
In the nutshell yes, but there are more nuances to it. According to fishman
1- IP rights are required if you even want to make your company public or receive investments from 3rd parties
2- One year ago, they had a clause in their contracts that allows pilots to buy back their model
3- In case of graduation/termination, Phase deletes all content related to the talent.

>>75647490
Geega, Mata, Michi, and Henya have all had a notiecable uptick by atleast a couple thousand viewers. I mean, prior to their Nina's graduation announcement she was a 3 view fairly regularly.
Even Kuro had a boost for a long time before he got menhera and stopped streaming regularly.

>>75655036
>1- IP rights are required if you even want to make your company public or receive investments from 3rd parties
I don't know, Vshojo gets investments without them.

>>75648615
I know what you're saying, but look how associated Mouse is with Vshojo, and how big she's become. She's a massive name in vtubing to most people outside of the east, but Vshojo still isn't going to do anything if she were to ever leave, she still owns her IP. Not that she ever would, cause she's hardcore Vshojo fan.

>>75648615
>Just look at the three Holos that Cover made statues of. It would be pretty fucking bad if Gura or Suisei graduated one day, and somehow were allowed to keep the brand Gura and Suisei (Suisei already sold her IP to Cover), and then they went on to do FC2 with it.
If they left they would trash those statues, whether they left with their IP or not. Wouldn't change anything.

>>75655036
>if you even want to make your company public
RIP phase you won't be missed

>>75655036
>IP rights are required if you even want to make your company public or receive investments from 3rd parties
In canada? this is untrue in the united states

>>75652881
They join with their own IPs. but what about new costumes, assets? have you seen the contract?

>>75645154
This is more of a shot at Phase than anything anon.

>>75656094
I would assume the talent would need to pay for the assets themselves to keep the IP. unless Aviel is extremely generous

>>75645154
I don't understand. Isn't this a Vshojo win?

>>75645154
Good

Every corpo should do this. It's in the talents' best interests.

>>75655962
Oh for the talent's sake I pray to Haruhi that they never go public. That would be the worst possible thing for everyone under them.

Publicly traded companies are basically evil by law, as they can't do anything that affects the investor's dividends and bottom line without risking being sued into liquidation. That means they can't give anymore to employees than the bare minimum, and always have to take short term profit over long term investment.

People with oshis in publicly traded companies should really rejoice every time their stock goes down and they closer to being kicked off the exchange. It's the best thing for the chuubas.

>>75648615
>Nyanners never had anywhere near that level of "attachment" or "establishment."
you're either a newfag or a retard

>>75655962
>>75656605
>>75656801
cope 2view shitters
all worth watching corps are public
it's a shame they can't reuse old models to milk simps and have to scrap it due to menheras do stupid shit and violate the contract

>>75656801
yup. I don't like phase and their top talents personally but for the sake of the other chuubas I hope they don't go public, especially in canuckistan.

>>75656605
Fuck talents.

>>75657493
>2view

>>75649038
>hololive never bought ads
you can't have a civil discussion with a tribal simian

>>75645154
thats should be just how it is idol-kek welcome to the new age of Vtubing glad you could join us

>>75657493
2view shitters are the only ones comfortable with forfeiting their IP, dumbass
Anyone bigger has invested too much into their property to abandon or lose it

>>75645154
Oh no, companies are making the changes Vshojo wants in vtubing, I'm so owned!

>>75658112
They have invested nothing

>>75658302
you just made me imagine Henya in idol kek

>>75657643
i meant hololive never bought ads early on. the discussion was about how they got popular. it was not from ads. you're ignoring the big picture and hyperfixating on an irrelevant detail. a regular ben shapiro.

>>75658647
Except they did. Sora was introduced to the media before she even did a single stream. They had press conferences and everything followed by massive ad campaign. It's a corporation.

>>75645154
is not believable anon, and unlike in vshitshow it still hasnt happened yet, he is a businessman, always take with a grain of salt whatever they say, the same goes for lawyers, especially corporate ones.

>>75652794
didnt Idol said that the telents get 100% of the streamlabs money and they DONT take a cut?

>>75659081
and then she had 0 views until siro's stream crashed. i don't know why you're trying so hard to rewrite history. liking something that got popular due to viral memes doesn't make you a bad person. my oshi also got popular from a viral video. every big streamer did. you only know about asmonbald because he made a funny video about wow transmog or xqc because people checked him out after he trihard'd with a black guy on screen. this entire industry is run on luck. that's how it is.

>>75659677
Your entire argument was that hololive doesn't invest in their talents (they didn't buy ads). Multiple people bring proof that they did, and then you say that it didn't matter anyway.
The fact that they invested in marketing still remains, regardless of how successful it was. Not sure what are you even arguing about.

>>75659677
no that was not my entire argument. that wasn't even a small part of my argument.

This is honestly great it helps those that leave keep an steady income. Only corporate bootlicker will be seething at this because muh jp company is number 1 and nobody else matter cope.

zionist company
dont trust a zionist like aviel

And on the 4th day, GunRun said: "Let there be talent freedom" and there was seething and coping for milenia to come.

>>75646875
You retards keep positing this hypothetical which requires that everybody involved, all the fans, all the sponsors, everybody, is an imbecile who pays no attention to anything and never does any research on anything. The only way this theory of yours works is if nobody asks, nobody looks anything up. The only people who will have these reactions are people who were never fans of the company to begin with. Y'know the 'normies" you fucks keep wanting not involved anyway.

>>75656537
Phasefags mad that idol is taking a shot at them and trying to weaponize VShojo against them. It's not working at all as you can tell.

>>75659996
Not sure if you replied to yourself by accident, but what was your argument then.

>>75660721
that tribalfags are stupid.

>>75660762
You undermining hololive's efforts to raise their talents is not tribalfag behavior?

>>75645154
That's a good start and props to Idol. That said Vshojo has many other qualities that are good.

>>75661097
i didn't do that. also >>75654877

>>75655210
PC is a canadian company, not american

>>75661298
Anon, you are doing the same fucking thing. Stop the hypocrisy.

>>75661348
i'm making fun of you. i didn't say anything negative about your precious corporation. they're great. you're shit though. you tribalfags do this all the time. i will never understand it.

>>75649192
>Owning the IP is a deterrent against the chuuba leaving/risking termination in the first place.
Then don't be a shitty organization so that people want to stay with you.

>>75645154
yuri in shambles not only did she got fire but she lost her IP to phaseshitters

>>75661394
The original guy you replied to wasn't me >>75647490
But I agree with his main points, VShojo doesn't make new stars, they take established ones.
The other corpos invest in ads (as you yourself had to eventually agree), and marketing and even auditions (those are not cheap either).
VShojo just waits for some already established vtuber to land on their doorstep.
That's literally leeching off others.
You can call this a negative opinion, but it's not a wrong one.

>>75660472
Like Phasefaggots need goading into hating VShojo.

>>75661943
that's either disingenuous or ignorant. vshojo, hololive, and nijisanji all in their beginnings hired already successful content creators. technically hololive took a different path at first but they eventually changed course once they saw what niji was doing. none of them started from nothing.

>>75662768
>in the begining
VShojo is how old now? It's not a small company anymore.

>>75662906
it is a small company by design. they want to have under 20 talents maximum.

>>75645665
Honestly, I would do it to. A lot of legit talents have models already set up. I would look into how Suisei has arranged her contract and emulate it. Maybe have a talent on separation keep her old model and the company keep any new update model images for licensing and marketing.

Not saying it is something to aim for. I am saying I would keep it as a option if a legit talent wanted to contract with your business.

>>75661943
The other corpos don't really "make" stars either, they just have the brand power that rewards anyone who joins with instant viewership, (or at least Holo does, Niji much less so now at least for EN). Just look at Shiori before and after joining HoloEN, her content is exact the same, she just has orders of magnitude more viewership than she used to. It's hard to argue Cover "made Shiori a star", or really did anything at all, they just slapped a blue dorito on her and instantly 500x'd her CCV.

>>75648616
You is not about the numbers is about who you know in vshojo to get in. If you're not friends with matara and ironmouse then guess what? You're fucked. Because Gunrun is actually out of touch with the indie scene and have ironmouse and matara in his ears telling him their "scout" report.

>>75663515
Then why isn't Quinn in?

>>75663342
>hololive doesn't make others stars
>they just increase their CCV by 500x
Huh?
Why can't VShojo do that, they have the brand power too.

>>75663841
they have done that

>>75663637
Quinn is a failure as a streamer who managed to get down to low 3-view despite being shilled by half of the top indies.

>>75663841
This >>75663902. VShojo is a more direct example of what he's talking about. By having existing people join you can see before -> after results, but morever because they're all known, you know very well they're he same fuckers they always were. Hololive fans don't know their girls are the same as before because they never watched them.

>>75663841
Vshojo could probably debut 2views and they'd have CCV lower than HoloEN debuts but higher than recent NijiEN debuts. Froot was an unknown before she joined. There's just no reason to when they have a so many ex-corpo and indie talents lined up to join. I think it's harder (though hardly impossible, it's happened several times even post-Myth) for Holo to do this with big indies because they balk at giving up their IP and the corpo cut. It's unlikely someone like Shylily would join Vshojo, but impossible she would join HoloEN.

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