/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>75605973
my oshi is not tremendously retarded as for to get blacklisted by a con that will host some literal nobodies

We really need a 10th thread about this

>>75605973
>VTubers shouldnt be political
>decides to be political
>shit happens
....

>>75605973
you lost kirsche

>>75605973
Imagine Kirsche is your oshi. A fate worse than death.

>>75605973
My oshi still attending
so idgaf

>>75606536
sorry to hear that anon

>>75605973
For a quick recap of what this drama is about
>Kirsche wants to /pol/ify vtubing and is now seething /here/ because OffKai won't allow her to hold a panel and shit things up for everyone.
>Kirsche and her fans are now trying to drag Pippa and Phase Connect into her self inflicted drama, which is undoubtedly going to get her blacklisted from them too.

>Offkai jannies brigading another thread
Every offkai troon I interact with at the con will be referred to by their real gender.

>>75605973
If Kirsche was my oshi I'd have bigger things to worry about

>>75609124
You won't. 0% chance
>inb4 teehee i didn't interact with any

>>75608109
RIP free booze, thanks dumb slut

>>75609124
>implying they won't turn your fat autistic ass away

>>75605973
nothing. my lips are closed sakana

>>75609124
>he paid money to attend the con
You already lost.

>>75606536
When she gets banned because some blue haired commiefornian hates her because she isn’t a disabled fat black land whale no one will care too
>>75608109
Stop fucking lying cunt she explicitly stated she didn’t want anyone to drag Pippa into it stop being a slimy fuck it’s clear you just don’t want to deal with the cancer in the community

>>75605973
>Reputation matters as we have seen with Niji
>Don't want any possible drama from someone who pretty much only does political content
It sucks but it makes sense. I don't think people go to Offkai for lectures and political debates. People go to have a good time and nothing else.

>>75610793
Anon they have/had Rev doing a panel there before he pulled out, he is way more contentious
Pippa has said way worse and Offkai allowed phase to sponsor them

This smells personal

>>75610748
i thought kiwiniggers hated this place, shouldn't you be worshipping the land whale on your trailer park of a site?

>>75610793
Despite doing political content, she was slated for an 18+ panel with another vtuber with non-political subject matter.
If the panel was going to be her just ranting about DEI or some shit, then of course that would be more understandable.

>>75610748
>hey guys, don't drag Pipkin Pippa into this!
>Ignore that her name directly appears in the receipts, despite me censoring another name!
>Remember, DON'T INVOLVE PIPPA IN THIS WINK WINK

>>75611120
>>75611256
I see, I didn't know that. It seems like some people there do have it out for her then.

>>75609124
so you are going, only to get your ass kicked out of the con?, well atleast you'll be in the con, unlike kirsche

>>75611276
not that anon but pippa would hate you for this

>>75611210
>>75611276
Pippa being in the replies also revealed that these volunteers also tried to blacklist her too or did you fags forget that keep coping about how this isn’t gonna result in the same rot that infects all other media

>>75611120
The thing is that Pippa also does actual vtuber content. Kirsche literally only talks about political shit all day, I can guarantee that anyone who oshis her doesn't give a shit about any other vtuber.

who tf has kirsche as their oshi, that's like having Keemstar as your crush

>>75611680
She also plays games and does normal collabs you just want to ignore the elephant in the room of volunteers deciding who gets to participate in a major convention for the space.

>>75611698
The kind of people who watch and come here to defend Kirsche do not use vtuber lingo like oshi.

>>75610208
around my cock

>>75611829
>ignore the elephant in the room
The elephant in the room is Kirsche defending kiwi farms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woQuG-F0hxE

>>75611892
This is wrong but keep spitting rrats because she makes you uncomfortable

>>75605973
kirsche is nobodys oshi you fuckwit.
its not about kirsche herself, its the precedent set that offkai is ready to bend over for nothingburgers if the thin skinned faggot volunteers cry about it. if they can get people blacklisted over it, what guarantee do you have theyre not gonna do it for whoever they want? but it's not like these types are known to get off on the powertrip, right?

>>75611829
>you just want to ignore the elephant in the room of volunteers deciding who gets to participate in a major convention for the space.
You also want to ignore the elephant of the room that is her twitter account. She gets into so many political feuds that it shouldn't be a surprise that said convention would have people uncomfortable with her there.
Why would she even want to go to Offkai anyways if she's going to be around people she hates?

>>75612001
>The elephant in the room is Kirsche
Uh anon?

Reminder that this all looks familiar because it's just Niji fags still bent out of shape that offkai blacklisted their org, they see this as a win.

>>75612001
Bro she says doxing is wrong but they should be allowed to exist because it’s in the interest of keeping sites like this one on the internet because some moral busy body would remove this place just as quick if it was allowed or are you gonna pretend it wouldn’t be

I actually agree with quite a lot of Kirsche's views but this is exactly why politics should be kept out of vtubing entirely. Is it hypocritical that last year they invited a tranny vtuber who went after others because of the wizard game and even told one to kill herself? Absolutely. But I'm not going to side with one end of the spectrum (one I agree with) just to spite the other.

All politics should be gatekept from vtubing.

>>75611680
god i wish kirsche didn't do 20 palworld streams, i get it, you don't watch at all and just want to make general assumptions presented as truth

>>75612078
But she wasn’t going to the convention to politisperg she was going to be part of a whole separate panel, also the fact the con has a double standard in who is politically allowed to be there

>>75611829
Bro, those "volunteers" don't exist, the people who gave the green light to kirsche where told the type of content she does and backpedalled later, they were just using the volunteers things as an excuse, admit it, kirsche is radioactive, and her fanbase too, her collab with Fillian should be proof enough, shit was weird af, how tf you try the /pol/ shit with FILLIAN of all people

>>75612157
Agreed, so you're going to stop watching the big corpos who all have pro-war sponsors?

>>75612148
>Not liking the site that routinely doxes, hosts revenge porn, and harasses people makes you a 'moral busybody'

>>75612344
>her collab with Fillian should be proof enough, shit was weird af, how tf you try the /pol/ shit with FILLIAN of all people
What did she do?

>>75612344
>fillian who’s a fan of Pippa
>fillian who did multiple edgy ass jokes
Just say you don’t watch streams it’s clear despite her efforts to not show her power level she’s just as big of a shitposter

>>75612445
>Cheering for the takedown of a site that, if taken down, easily opens the door for this site to be taken down too
Either you're a tourist, or a turkey rooting for thanksgiving.

>>75612445
Why do you come to 4chan if you don't like it?

>>75612445
are we talking about 4chan

>>75612445
Tourist spotted

>>75612057
>kick Niji, the literal troon fanbase, for being problematic
>kick Kirsche, the based fanbase, for being problematic
Don't know man, it looks to me they have a clear politic here

>>75612339
She may not have been going there to sperg out politically, but again if you look at her social media and what she publicly ties to her brand, it isnt that hard to see why certain companies are less okay with her than others.
I mean the fucking thing is held in California. I don't know what she expected. And even if they did decide that they were too rough on her because she still was better than Nijisanji, her recent shitfit ensured that they would want nothing to do with her from here on out.

>>75612729
They kicked niji for being a shitty company that tries to blackball indies and members of the community for talking about how shit they are they didn’t kick them because of politics

>>75612796
The way they did it was slimy as shit tho they removed her from the panel after the refund period which is fucking slimy as shit

>>75612445
dude closed the thread, turned off the (you) checkmark, went to go punch his pillow making a statement like this didn't even try defending himself he knew it was so retarded

>>75612556
>easily opens the door for this site to be taken down too
God yes please. What kind of fucking faggot actually likes and wants to defend 4chan? Are you a newfag or something? 99% of this site's userbase would kill to take this site down.

>>75612729
At least with Nijji you could make the argument that the livers themselves could potentially be harassed at panels/meet&greets because of all the stuff coming out about Kurosanji being such a dogshit company.

>>75612855
So they only kick awful people. Sounds super reasonable.

>>75605973
I cant even imagine the kind of person who has Kirsche or MarinaTV as their oshi, or even care about their feelings.
All I know is this con is looking more and more based by the minute

>>75605973
>having a /pol/tard oshi
kek

>>75612729
>the based fanbase

>>75613027
>he is projecting his hatred on most of the site
Most anons love the site because despite all the shit they hate about it, they are here forever.

>>75613154
>despite all the shit they hate about it, they are here forever.
That's not love. No one loves this site, except for newfags.

>>75612946
That does sounds scummy, but I think chargebacks should still apply in that case shouldn't it? Even if it can be a hassle.

>>75611461
Also not that anon but I think pippa has more hate for Kirsch getting her into trouble than some random anon right now.

>>75612524
>Fan of pippa
ah yes, my favorite political vtuber, Pippa, that's where i get all of my news and opinions
>Fillian edgy jokes
that's literally all they are, jokes, not fucking political comentary as main content

>>75612398
Nigga what the fuck are you talking about? Politics should be kept out of vtubing means the chuubas should keep their fucking mouths shut about it, I don't give a fuck what indies or corpos do with their money behind the scenes.

>>75613261
Aanta but the main point is that kirsche went out of her way multiple times to explicitly state not to involve phase , not to harass specific staff members of offkai, and especially not to drag Pippa into it, same with how she says to not bring politics into non political vtubers after she raids them.

>>75613123
You'll be surprised, especially with Pippa being a Top 10 VTuber here

>>75612974
>>75612607
>>75612563
>>75612559
>>75612556
You realize shit like Offkai is usually ran by normies right? They absolutely despise shit like that and if you associate it in any way they're gonna dump your ass from the event.

>>75613388
Can you not use racially charged epithets here, brother? It's kinda political.

>>75611680
Kirsche literally talks more about penis sounding than she does politics

>>75605973
sell my badge

>>75605973
>having a political grifter on the same level of hasan as your oshi
How can someone can be this pathetic?

>>75613473
>tries to deflect from his bad point by shifting the conversation to be about offkai instead of what made him look retarded.

>>75613474
Ah okay I see, you're seething so much about her being kicked that you're just lashing out. Grow up faggot.

>>75613589
The classic /pol/nigger deflection tactic, it's never actions, only people to blame.

>what are you gonna do about it?
Play Minecraft

>>75613672
>F-slur
Gonna have to ban you from my convention for that one, sweetie.

>>75612855
anon, i said problematic, not political, what?

>>75613672
>politics don't belong in vtuuuuubing
>proceeds to be deeply political
many such cases

>>75613712
This post glows

>>75605973
Offkai is garbage anyways, last one was a shitshow

>>75613261
>pippa
>hating kirsche
anon you're delusional, you are becoming a twitter freak

>>75613589
It's literally not even my opinion. It's what I imagine the opinion of the people running the event to be. You can get mad all you like but at the end of the day chances are if you openly associate with KF (and maybe even 4chan) normies are going to look at you like you ate a pile of turds in their presence.

>>75605973
Wasn't the last OffKai Expo a huge dumpster fire?

>>75613775
It was the association with the types of politics typing problematic after typing general groups that fallow certain politics

>>75613797
This, how the fuck is anyone defending the vtuber equivalent of dashcon

>>75605973
When your content is "I am brand risk lol" you can't cry unfair when the brands actually agree with you

>>75605973
My oshii would never get blacklisted because she's not some political activist and just wants to be an idol.

>>75613813
The organizer of OffKai provided Kirsche with a series of tweets that "the team" felt were "problematic" and they all "happened" to be "political" or the best one is she's making fun of Sam Hyde.

>>75605973
This thread has so much misinformation that its past the point of being funny, just sad
>Kirsche and her pal Rev says Desu were not announced at offkai at all
>nor did either of them give any kind of sign they were joining a panel prior to now
>Kirsche was invited by a friend to join their panel, which itself was still in the application process and also not announced by anyone yet
>Offkai is run by volunteers, and a few of them didnt want Kirsche at a panel, so they rejected the panel application
>No actual blacklist, she was still free to do anything else at the con, just couldnt join that panel
>Kirsche leaks all the DMs involving this, intentionally censoring the friend who invited her, but not censoring the mention of pippa and how their was a dispute over her joining last year.
>Whether Pippa and Sakana knew about that dispute and wanted it to be kept private or not is unknown
>She is now rallying everyone she knows to go against the con for their rejection descision, with people in her circle tweeting about it.
There's the truth, take it however you like

>>75613996
They also showed a series of images that displayed the video in question. If you really think people who have that opinion of KF will even utter the name you're fucking insane. They'd be doxed by the afternoon for even saying it.

>>75613261
Pippa doesn't have the spine for that, she's too nice, but she must be clearly uncomfortable at her rn

>>75613996
This is the first step towards ideologically driven censorship. They'll just tell anyone they don't like is being too "problematic" or "political." It's a slippery slope.

>>75605973
>his oshi has considerably less clout than a con janny
Couldn't be mine.

>>75613435
That some of you think Pippa is anything near a /pol/tard is just sad, that includes the nu/pol/ 2020 wave section of her dumbass fans. Good riddance.

>>75613154
Newfag here. You guys were literally the only people that were talking about the Selen discussion until it got too big to ignore. I knew something was up, but everyone was ignoring the shadow suspension. Reddit was only doing get better soon posts, but niji reddit is dead and has been for a long time. Twitter was focusing on other things like always.

The things I hate are all the bait posts and the unsavory characters (shitty opinions with tons of racism). If you ignore them this place is fine. On the other side of the coin, I do like this place since I can actually tell my views without getting banned instantly because I don't mince my words with PC bullshit.

Other things I hate here are people spouting straight up lies as fact. 1)They spout a lie. 2)You ask for source. 3)They say "do your reps" 4) You look up every combination of their claim and find nothing. 5) Repeat. Fuck y'all who say that. The only thing it ever adds is to save yourself from embarrassment because you're a fucking bitch. Show your fucking sources when you make a claim.

Don't be fucking sheep and believe everything the retards here say without a source. Even if the rrats are often prophetic.

>>75613433
The thing is she also went out of her way to censor the friend who invited her themselves.
Why not censor the pippa part since its mostly unrelated?
unless she left it there intentionally to drum up phase fans to her cause
>>75613800
I dont care if is my lifetime best friend, i'd be fucking pissed if they dragged me into something that gets both me, the company I work for, and the event my job has put thousands of dollars into in trouble for no reason.

>>75613473
CURSES YOU DASTARDLY CONVENTION, YOU ARE TOO WOKE FOR MY BASED TASTE.
ok now what?

>>75614061
This post is so full of fucking lies
>1 she announced she was going to be on a panel right before she went of vacation (the rev shit is true but it’s weasel tier to try to expand that to her)
>2 the panel was approved for months it was a last minute revolt by shitty commiefornia volenteers at the last moment after every thing was locked in that changed
>3. Getting removed from a panel is being blacklisted being blacklisted isn’t being banned retard
>4. Kirsche said she was going to go public to the guy right from the start it isn’t leaking if you fucking tell someone it’s an open conversation
>5. The reason Pippa wasn’t censored was because she found out that the volenteers tried to remove Pippa from the con last year which wasn’t public knowledge
>6. She’s just letting people fucking know about how shady off Kai was being

>>75613760
>>75613780
I'm pretty convinced at this point that the majority of Kirsche's fans are literal children, incapable of nuance or logical thinking. You have to be 18 or over to use this site.

>>75605973
idgaf about indies, as long as nijiniggers are not around it's based

>>75605973
skill issue lol

>>75613712
ok lets slow down officer, no one /here/ wants that, /pol/ is some blocks down tho

>>75614465
My charitable guess is the Pippa part is more evidence of Con volunteers trying to control who is allowed there based on who they like and dislike.
She got mixed up with Youmacon, when they tried to keep Pippa out of it and Phase pulled an 'all of us or none of us' on them.
The director of Offkai then confirmed that there were people who tried to keep Pippa out of Offkai in the past.
Which also furthers her point that they can get rid of her since she's an indie, yet not someone like Pippa since she's corpo and that corpo pays for so much of the con.

>>75613780
anonVT, my favorite chuba retard

>>75614302
It's a vtubing convention. They should be censoring all politics. These conventions should be for everyone who can keep themselves in check long enough to enjoy cute anime girls streaming. Troons and people who hate troons should be able to shut up for the shared cause of buying gura merch.

>>75614763
No need to even guess she clearly explained why Pippa was name dropped was because the offkai director dropped that like yuma con they had staff that tried to remove her not surprising considering Pippa went hard against the same people who wanted to bully people for playing wizard game one of which is still on a panel at offkai

>>75614684
So you do want politics in vtubing as long as someone jangles the keys while they're buttfucking you without lube, gotcha, very logical and nuanced of you to take that route, really puts a whole je ne sais quoi on the plead to be willfully ignorant while arguing for the other side.

>>75610748
Been a long time since I saw a kiwinigger pretend like they have feelings.

>>75615007
You can’t convince these people bro they haven’t realized yet it’s them saying shit like I don’t want politics in my hobbies then doing nothing to prevent it from happening behind the scenes they will just ignore it until it ruins their hobbies because they are far less motivated then the people who want to destroy the hobby

>>75613915
i said, problematic, as in problematic, black company problematic, political problematic, sex pest problematic, any kind problematic really, and kirsche is problematic, it is what it is

>>75605973
my oshi isn't a fat female vtuber version of Tim Pool so I'm safe

>>75614623
1.provide a source, cause I have never seen a single mention from her about this event at all in the last few months Ive watched her
2.Also source for this, I have not seen one mention from offkai or anyone else about this event, and they have constantly been tweeting about their confirmed panels
3.I'll concede that
4.Also conceed this, I should have worded it better
5.And? Like I said im more than sure phase talked with them about this last year and worked it out considering how they were arguebly the main event last year, this is just Kirsche being malicious and using pippas name to garner sympathy
5.That is in no way her main motive and dont lie, she wants to start a cancel movement over this and you know it.

>>75615189
Glad to see you are so ass mad about a gossip site what did they expose your favorite furry for fucking dogs.

>>75605973
>Kirsche is your oshi
Seek a therapist

>>75614901
Being transgender isn't political.

>>75615265
unless phase pulls out then it's
>NOT PROBLEMATIC NOT PROBLEMATIC WERE SORRY WERE SORRY PLEEEEEEEEASE FUCKING PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE

>>75615193
Kirsche is very much someone who is bringing in people who want to destroy vtubing. We don't want Kirsche or Froot types. We want Gura, Pekora, Miko types. Why is that hard to understand? Vtubing shouldn't be a platform for more mindless culture war bs. There's plenty of spaces for that. You and the troons should go there and let the rest of us jerk it to Marine.

>>75611120
Rev was not doing a panel.
He was doing a meet and greet.
That nobody knew about and was not publicly announced despite tickets being sold out.

In other words, Rev is full of shit.

>>75615189
they do have one; blind rage. it's basically all that reminds of their personalities after being ground down by people who'd turn on them the second they spoke out of line
it's really sad how much he's projecting but you can't really consider them as people like you or I

>>75605973
I don't give a fuck about Kirsche, but drawing that kind of line in the sand is never a good thing. Keep your political biases out of this kind of shit.

>>75615508
Who would want to meet Rev?

>Keep politics out of vtubing!
>But not MY politics, mine aren't really political you see

I don't care that Kirsche was banned I just think it's really bizarre that the volunteers were able to ban her. Why should the volunteers have any say in anything?

>>75615501
>pretending to be a holofag
>knows all the recent drama tubers from indies to vshojo that hit the catalog
>"and uhhh....we holofags stand against politics and kirsche as well"

>>75615007
If you can't see the difference between a vtuber viewer on /vt/ saying faggot, and a chuuba talking about deeply political issues regularly as something they're well known for then you're genuinely retarded.

As I said originally, a lot of Kirsche's views I agree with and it fucking repulses me to see a number of indies doing the usual performative "TRANS RIGHTS MATTER" bullshit, but there's a reason most corpos (other than Niji really) don't allow that shit because they know it puts most viewers off. The only big indies that do that are people like Bao whose audience is made up of pretty much entirely normies.

Do you want vtubing to just become like any other form of entertainment - completely divided along politically ideological grounds because you've allowed the importation of normies both left and right? Because that's exactly what you'll achieve. Maybe you are a normie who comes from /pol/, if so then fair enough but you need to realise that vtubing shouldn't become part of the culture wars because if it does that will forever destroy it.

>>75615786
Small indie event, pls understand.
Understaffed and a few volunteers leaving could potentially = no event.

Everytime I see some post "don't be political," I imagine a someone holding their hands on their ears going "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"

>>75615786
They're all volunteers. The entire con is run by volunteers.

>>75605973
>Offkai bans Kirsche for politics, which is undisputably 99% of her streaming content and controversial
>No one likes Kirsche, not even /pcg/ who worships the ground all of pippa's friends walk on
>This is suppose to be a bad thing
I see VTA and her discord chose this thread to raid instead of the others.

>>75615718
You can have politics in vtubing. The issue is a con creating a political hugbox by essentially blacklisting anyone that doesn't agree fully with their personal beliefs.

>>75606428
I agree that vtubing shouldn’t be political but it’s very funny how it’s only every right wing beliefs that are considered “politics” when you don’t see twitch thots, nijisanji EN, or homostars getting banned from events for dredging politics into the medium

>>75615855
Being transgender isn't political.

>>75614623
>1 did she said it was offkai?, any clip, timestamp?
>2 feel free to ass blast me with proof for this
>3 who cares about semantics
>4 blackmailing uh
>5 it could have the same effect not mentioning Pippa and blurring the name and just telling her in private, besides they chose Pippa 2 years in a row in the end right?, she is just dragging Pippa and PC fanbase
>6 pretty sure she wouldn't have much problem with that if she had her panel right?

>>75616138
I don't think it's about her beliefs at all.

I think it's because she's a dramafag pot-stirrer who literally doesn't do anything that isn't pandering to right-wing redpilled culture war halfwits.
It's literally all she does. She's everything that people used to think Pippa was, and just like her, Kirsche's fanbase is a fucking cancer that needs to be excised as fast as possible.

>>75612445
Are you describing twitter, 4chan, or the farms

Everything is political.

>>75605973
I will not go and I will not give them my money. Simple as. Its also good to speak out when evil people try to inject their evil into a community. Woke-ism or whatever you want to call it is the serpent to our vtubing garden of eden. Don't let the snake poison it. I've watched it destroy fandom after fandom. shit is literal cancer. You may not like Kirsche, but this is how it starts.

>>75616724
They're already completely sold out so it's not like what you said matters lol

>>75613435
since when she is /pol/ darling, she dog whistle at /vt/ at most

>>75616355
That's all fine and good in theory, but as much as everyone hates the political/dramatubers it's already a facet of the community and is not going to go anywhere. By doing this they're inviting as many problems as they're solving. Maybe even more.

>>75615409
>>75616142
Maybe it wasn’t ten to twenty years ago but it is now buddy, and you can thank your own community for making it so

>>75608109
>Kirsche wants to /pol/ify vtubing and is now seething /here/ because OffKai won't allow her to hold a panel and shit things up for everyone.
If she wants to stream about politics she can, she isn't asking anyone else to get involved in it, ignore her if you don't like it. Her panel at OffKai has nothing to do with politics.
>Kirsche and her fans are now trying to drag Pippa and Phase Connect into her self inflicted drama, which is undoubtedly going to get her blacklisted from them too.
I was hoping this wouldn't happen. People are fucking retarded. Speak out about it, sure, but don't drag Phase or Pippa into it.

>>75605973
just vote with your wallet. also, once bitten, twice shy. those who already booked their shit might as well go, but don't be a repeat customer unless things actually change.

>>75615189
The amount of anons ITT defending that shithole is totally not from a discord raid btw

>>75616139
Aren't Nijis left leaning and got booted out too? Everyone loves being a victim.

>>75608109
Oh is Pippa the person "involved in targeted harassment campaigns"?

>>75616936
>it's already a facet of the community and is not going to go anywhere
That doesn't mean we have to include them in anything.
In fact we SHOULD be shunning them and pushing them away from the community.

>>75617480
Nijis at least have the argument that the livers could be harassed because of the whole kurosanji drama stink still sticking to them

>>75611680
Tell me more about how you have no fucking idea who Kirsche is.

>>75613473
>normies
Normalfag spotted

>>75615485
Anon, they are funding the entire artist alley, the fuck are they gonna pull off from.
also, what the fuck are you trying to convey with your >?

>>75617480
They were booted out because the company bullied a worker to nearly killing herself and then smeared her name afterwards, not because they are political.

The funniest thing in all of this is how many people forced themselves to start watching her just so they can call her their oshi in order to have moral grounds to complain about the situation.

>>75617570
Again, you say that, and to be fair I mostly agree with the sentiment, but the more saturated the vtuber sphere gets, naturally these kinds of vtubers will find their way to the target audience and get more popular. When things like this happen, their fanbase is exactly the kind of fanbase that tends to cause trouble. I guess you have to decide whether or not you're willing to cut off your nose to spite your face.

>>75615654
or rev's wife for that matter

>>75617847
It’s not that hard of a watch most of the stream is fun brainless rambling

>>75617868
And just like with the wider streaming scene, we can give them their little pocket to themselves and exclude them from the rest of us.

Most, if not all vtubers (who aren't Kirsche and those like her) have a strict no politics rule in their communities. People who can't help but shit where they eat will be shown the door.

>>75615786
>I just think it's really bizarre that the volunteers were able to ban her.
I don't. Without corpo cash and clout backing her up, she was probably the easiest scalp for them to take without resistance from the event organizer.

>>75618199
Hopefully it works out that way. If people start shitting up other communities and events because of slights to their political oshis, remember that your mindset is to blame.

>>75617948
He's not a twinky pinoy? Not interested.

>>75617182
>If she wants to stream about politics she can
ofc she can, but there are consequences to pander to a specific group, she made her bed, now she have to sleep in it
>don't drag Phase or Pippa into it
she already did, fortunately for all of us, her audience doesn't watch other vtubers

>>75617847
I wouldn’t call her my oshi or anything close kek but I’ve been watching her for a few months now and she’s pretty funny. Despite what retards /here/ are saying the only time it actually felt like she was pushing her beliefs on her audience was during the GG2 shit but even with that she backpedaled her stance somewhat. She gets more political at times than I would prefer for vtubing but most of what she does is laugh at retards on any side of the aisle which is a pretty normal thing

>>75618445
The fuck you think is gonna happen?
Kirsche's fans won't do shit about this. They'll piss and moan on Twitter and that's the end of it.

>>75612796
Do you mean the recent shitfest that OffKai instigated because Offkai spurged out politically by removing Kirsche over politics? That shit fest? Who's politics are allowed Anon? Will Pronouns be required in your twitter Bio for entry as a panelist next year? Did you like a tweet no-no tweet? uhoh! Sorry! You make us uncomfy. You are not allowed to run a panel.
This is fucking stupid.

>>75618445
This already happened to Futakuchi Mana (socialist sperg) years ago. Kirsche isn't even special in that regard.

https://suno.com/song/2178f30c-d2cd-4a40-b356-3544286d88b4

[Verse]
Sparks ignite
We rise up high
In this digital world
We defy
Offkai tried to shut us down
But we won't be silenced
Hear our sound

[Verse]
Kirsche
Enna
Millie
Reimu too
Together we stand
United and true
They try to cancel
They try to hate
But we won't back down
We'll elevate

[Verse]
We're VTubers of the new age
Breaking barriers
Turning the page
Offkai banned us
But we won't cry
We'll keep on shining
Reaching the sky

>>75612344
>Bro, those "volunteers" don't exist, the people who gave the green light to kirsche where told the type of content she does and backpedalled later, they were just using the volunteers things as an excuse
I agree with you here. They are using the nebulous volunteers as an excuse because most Conventions are ran by the worst woke-scum types and often choose who is allowed to be at their cons over politics. Someone OK'ed Kirsche or overlooked it and now someone high up on convention staff is throwing a tantrum because "spicy-cat bad."
>admit it, kirsche is radioactive, and her fanbase too, her collab with Fillian should be proof enough, shit was weird af, how tf you try the /pol/ shit with FILLIAN of all people
The rest of your statement is pretty garbage though.

>>75618445
The irony is in the post is astounding considering I have also seen Kirsche's fanbase and similar political chuubas do exactly that to other chuuba comunities.
Content creators who make politics their identity on any part of the spectrum are complete cancer, with an even worse fanbase.
VTUBERs who take an apolitical hobby and make their political beliefes on any spectrum their entire content, are also have no right to complain when cons and events want nothing to do with them.

How is this common sense logic even up for debate right now?

>>75605973
Do anyone actually even oshi kirche here? Not even /pol/ would go that low would they?

>>75619227
>Someone OK'ed Kirsche or overlooked it and now someone high up on convention staff is throwing a tantrum because "spicy-cat bad."
nta but this is the only thing that matters to me. Whether anyone likes her or not doesn't matter. She was giving the ok but they then went back on their word.
Conventions are things people plan for far in advance, doing what they did to Kirsche is just shitty.

>>75608109
Hello spamming trannie is this you?
>>75601466

Also YNBAW

>>75619325
her cult is in the farms, so go figure

>>75617819
I genuinely doubt offkai gives a shit about Doki that much, they just don't want the stain that Niji brings with them. But I agree that it's not political(including Kirsche), it's they just don't trust Kirsche to not bring politics.

>>75616998
Being transgender isn't political just like being a man or woman or being black or white isn't political.

>kicks out bullies
>kicks out /pol/faggot
>dramafag offers to leave on his own
They can't stop winning.

>>75619325
I've only ever seen her brought up occasionally and usually only when people are talking about Pippa. Then suddenly there are multiple threads of her fans screaming and shitting themselves. Very organic and not at all a discord raid.

>>75614901
I actually agree with you here, but that is not what is happening here. Now if Kirsche was doing a politics panel, then I could understand it, but the panel has nothing to do with politics.

>>75619976
Ywnbaw <3

>>75619976
It’s been made political anon you just have to learn to accept that

>>75620412
Fact is we don't actually know what the panel is.
And give Kirsche's entire online presence, you can't trust her to keep a lid on it, or for her fans to behave.

>>75605973
I don't oshi fat retards with bad politics

>>75619227
>the worst woke-scum types
then, why she wanted to go, and why is she so butt hurt about the blacklisting?, you guys should be happy about this, maybe your "spicy-cat" is pandering to wokes now?, because her fanbase thinks this cons are the blight of this world, so you guys were not going, then why does she cares if she goes or not

>>75619976
There is no gay or tranny gene. You were not "born that way". It is a social contagion. You can't compare it to race.

>>75615409
Being Trans not political? Sure. Being an annoying trans activist? Very much so.

>>75620717
>18+
>With another vtuber
>Non-political subject matter
is all that's known of it.

>>75605973
My oshi was one of the first people they invited

>>75619976
Nobody is actually transgender. That's impossible. Stop capitulating to mentally ill narcissists.

>>75620412
would Alex Jones be invited to any kind of mainstream influencer con to a panel even if he is not going to speak about his common grifter shit?

>>75608109

Kill all fascists.

>>75614461
Yep. You have to dig through the shit to find diamonds, but at least we can actually dig here.

>>75620824
ok Luca, now you can go back being a sex pest to niji, we already hear you

>>75621255
This is probably a shitpost but in case it's not I want people like you to know that overuse of the term "fascist" caused me to look into actual fascism and now I am one!
So good job creating more fascists.

>>75614940
>>75614763
Most of these conventions are ran by like minded people. Its not just California. Its most of them sadly. They play favoritism through politics. (or in this case, bar people who are not a part of their hivemind.

>>75621403
Can't help but notice you never said I'm wrong. You people never do.

>>75608109
This is what happens when you grift too hard

>>75615718
>>75616138
This. By blacklisting her, they are essentially being political themselves. They could have let her do her 18+ Degenerate panel that they already signed off on, and nothing bad would have happened. everyone would have had a good time, no politics would have happened, and all would have been good. Now politics are happening because OffKai made the politics matter.

>>75622309
Considering you got the "social contagion" part wrong it's hard to consider anything else you say as intelligent.

>>75615855
The problem is it is already here. And it has been effecting Vtubing for a while now. I've seen it destroy so many fandoms including starwars and D&D and pretty much Disney as a whole. Shit is cancer.

>>75622560
What is it if not a social contagion then

>>75605973
My oshi wasn't even going and gets better deals in Japan.

>>75614061

if I could buy a second weekend pass, I would just to spite that Cunt.

>>75606428
You're right, so lets lynch all the virtuesignaling hoes from the scene.

>>75611256
They probably had a mindset of "nipping it in the bud".

>>75615786
Volunteers include all the officers and con heads. Don't let their flowery words trick you. The staff is a non-profit so they are all "Volunteers" so it is a deceitful way of saying they don't want her by making it sound like a few of the peon "Volunteer" Staff workers don't want her. I'm fairly positive it is someone more high up, or who has influence on someone higher up.

>>75617182
>Her panel at OffKai has nothing to do with politics.
Her whole person is politics, you can't really divorce her from that

Here you go, Xisters, your worst fear: Receipts.

>>75623243
Or maybe it's a number of the staffers because there are many more people in this scene than not who think Kirsche and creators like her are a cancer.

>>75623094
>virtuesignaling hoes
just say troonlovers, because that's what you mean

>>75618831
you could've at least make it sound like an early NWA song anon.

>>75616922
Maybe, Maybe not. I was planning to attend next year, but I won't now. Maybe it will be sold out for the next few years and it truly won't matter.

>>75623357
but wait, there's moar!

>>75613983
The actual definition or the vt definition?

>>75614461
Amen. Just got hear like a year ago max and agreed with this. People here are willing to scapegoat a whole ass region of people and be racist just because its "the cool thing".

>>75623856
What's wrong with racism?

>>75622560
It’s absolutely partially a social contagion or else there wouldn’t be friend groups in school all suddenly transitioning together nor would there be zoomers getting the bright idea to transition through TikTok nor would you hear about the shit ton of now-detransitioners that transitioned during tumblr’s heyday only to regret it in recent years

>>75605973
to be fair Kirsche should kill herself

>>75623646
>>75623357
What does this even prove anon.
Are they not allowed to choose who does and doesnt go to their event?

>>75623357
>I actually do not understand
The fuck you don't

>>75614410
>the nu/pol/ 2020 wave
you are right, that one is actually Kirsche

>>75624228
But enough about Froot

>>75623357
>I actually do not understand
lmao

>>75605973
I wish a painful death to all kiwiniggers
its pathetic how they spend all day harassing people and still pretend to be innocent victims

>>75624245
nta but
>you can attend
>A while later
>Actually you can't
Still don't see the problem?

>>75624370
They harass pedophiles and trannies who humiliate themselves online.
Kiwifarms has done nothing wrong.

>>75624316
they both should but for different reasons, at least Froot isnt catering to /pol/ fags and trying to destroy the hobby

>>75620822
Its it so much to ask that people do not discriminate against other people? Politics Included? I don't actually care that the people who run the con are woke or whatever. what I don't like is when they play politics at times like this. It should be an everyone is allowed or no-one is allowed.

>Kiwifarms has done nothing wrong
literally not a single person actually believes this

I routinely tuned in to Kirsche's streams to check her out because I knew her through few collabs she did with Pippa. I used to be a big Pippa fan but dropped her for things unrelated to any of this or politics. On the low end let's say I tuned in to Kirsche about 20 times, 50 on the high end. This was across a year. In all occasions, every single one, her stream would be about her commenting on some current day event, a controversy or person or general political topic. Without fail the woman in question would talk about politics and politics only and explicitly.

Her politics are irrelevant to the discussion on my end. What matters is that vtubing must and should be apolitical and open to us all, because we as the audience are merely Chat or Anons under pseudonyms. Our identity begins and ends in our relation to the chuuba and her corpo. There is a "we" here but this sense of community is unrelated to who you are, where you are from, and most importantly what you believe in politically and/or religiously. Usually people and sometimes the chuuba herself finds it interesting if you're from some obscure country or region, but that's about it. What does this mean? It means vtubing and vtubing fans are an organic community. We don't need to "take a side" or "have a stance" since we are already a truly global fanbase, and a truly "diverse" group of people united by a common interest. The introduction of politics - any politics - is a direct danger to vtubing precisely because of that. Politics have no place in vtubing. The whole medium MUST be apolitical for it to have value to us all. And what Americans tend to forget is that a lot of us, be we eurofags or from somewhere else have no interest or stake in american politics or your retarded culture wars. Left or right your politics and all politics are inherently divisive, and at their mildest just totally uninteresting and unrelated to vtubing. Nobody is censoring anyone for having an opinion, and if a chuuba has an opinion and shares it organically people just accept it, agree or disagree, but if it came about organically it's just an opinion. Saying "Man we should have stricter gun laws" or "We should be more strict with criminals" while playing GTA or something is an opinion. Arguably political, but not the main focus, draw or even the topic.

Kirsche's entire schtick is right wing politics. Her whole content is just political commentary and grifting in the same vein a shitload of right wing public media figures do or used to do. It's barely vtubing, it's vtubing as a mere gimmick. I see her actions as antagonistic towards vtubing as a whole, and Offkai seems to have as well - and that's good. Nobody is censoring her because she has her channel and all of that, but if you chose that path then you have to roll with the punches and recognize that you're a marginal figure in vtubing. The same applies to leftists and all politically motivated people. None of them regardless of spectrum give a single shit about entertainment, media, fun. Yes, leftism destroyed Western entertainment but I'm not going to pretend right wing politics wouldn't either. It's all the same rendering of things into shit. Be it a soccer mom or a troon, the effect on media is always poison. Culture always suffers when directed by something outside of it as a standard. Anime and manga are dominating precisely because they are for everyone and have no agenda. That's what we should expect and demand from vtubing, or at the very least GOOD vtubing.

Kirsche intentionally tried to drag Pippa into this by mentioning her and no, going "But don't say I mentioned her tee hee pero :P" isn't not mentioning her. Sadly, Pippa has a great quantity of leftovers from kiwi and similar garbage sites who are for some inexplicable reason convinced she's some sort of right wing goddess, when the actual Pippa just laughs at things and occasionally has an opinion that may or may not deviate from the norm. Sometimes it's a retarded woman opinion, sometimes it's clever. Because she's an actual person and not a political mouthpiece. But that portion of her audience has overlap with "based" nonsense like Kirsche, and Kirsche tried to rope them and by proxy Phase Connect into fighting her retarded culture war. Kirsche also knew Phase is backing Offkai. So I am led to believe, and I do, that this was a calculated effort by Kirsche to use Pippa as a kind of weapon or useful idiot and effectively hijack our whole fucking corpo for her retarded ends. This is cause for personal hatred towards her from me. I'm assuming she saw how Doki and Mint "benefited" from drama and wanted to engineer some for herself, without realizing that in those two cases and in Doki's in particular things got so immeasurably vile that everyone was disgusted. This cynical woman, this Kirsche, tried to recreate a situation where she's a victim by engineering it from nothing, or to be precise from the logical conclusion to her own actions.

>>75624693
all vtubers and vtuber events should take up a zero politics policy
i dont give a shit what side they sit on, keep it out of my hobby

>>75624453
>usually we vet all panelists
>this time we didn't and that's our bad
That's the long and short of it.
Kirsche was never supposed to be approved for the panel in the first place. The panel just didn't get vetted until now.

>>75624370
>says man from website with years of history harassing others

>>75624783
Pippa NEEDS to tell polfags and kiwiniggers to fuck off and tell her shitty fans she doesnt support how often they harass people and start blocking people for doing it
the fact her fans feel comfortable just openly shit talking and harassing vtubers is a problem

>>75624926
lol remember when Pippa posted something on twitter that had black people in it and she had to turn off the comments, that was pretty funny

>>75621202
>>75620717
Although it is a good point that we Don't know what they 18+ panel was about, but if it was a politically focused panel, I'm sure that would have been brought up.
That being said, Kirshe does more than just talk politics. It is a minor part of what she does, but it is the stuff that gets clipped the most. Believe it or not, Kirsche can hold a conversation without bringing politics into it. Just like everyone else can.

>>75624909
the difference is that this is an anon site and most people never partake in that
kiwis put their names on harassment and take pride in doing it

>>75624707
True they've actually done good

>>75624926
She is either too pussy to put her foot down, or tacitly approves of their behavior.

In a recent stream where she was showing off all the VShojo merch she got, every time Froot showed up some dipshits in her chat would spam "WHERE'S THE MONEY" and nothing was done about it.
In any other stream this behavior would be stamped out immediately, you just don't fucking do that. But in Pippa's chat the schizos have free reign, apparently.

>>75621019
I need to watch this guy. Is he any good?

>>75624783
Vtubing can be political, take Futakuchi Mana, literal communists BUT she keeps it totally isolated from the community at large and other vtubers unlike Kirsche

2020 was a mistake

>>75625111
Harassment of whom

>>75624468
The exposing the child molesting trannys who try to force their beliefs into school is something I can get behind.
But what about all the countless youtubers who's only crime is being cringe in KFs eyes? You can pull up dozens of theeads right now on lolcows and almost all of them will have a post that doxes their full name/home adress/phone number/family members and more.

KiwiFarms in no way "did nothing wrong"

>>75625318
>ummm you need to list every single person they have ever talked about for me or i will pretend that kiwi doesnt harass people
kys

>>75624245
>

Not tricking anyone, fag.

>>75625339
Its always things they reveal about themselves and post publicly. Go find me an example of dox that was not previously made public by the lolcow in question.
Since it's your claim you should be able to do this.

>>75624909
>>pretend to be innocent victims
We know what we are and don't deny unlike you and your disingenuous ilk

>>75625487
>we
Go back

>>75625392
I accept your concession

>>75625521
>mom he wont argue with my lazy pathetic bait
(you)

>>75623523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSb4SRgIVvY

>>75619697
Why do third worlders spam random keys and think it's a gotcha?

>>75625459
>it's ok to harass people who do cringe things in public
erm...really?

>>75624783
Dangerously based wall of text.
This sums up my feelings too, especially with her motive for getting pippa involved fucking disgraceful

>this board hates Kirsche so much they'd rather ignore evidence and instead go with their own anti schizo fanfic of why she got booted last minute.

I'm not even mad, she really lives this rent free in your heads.

>>75625664
Yes

>>75625318
go back

>>75612556
Nothing you say changes that fact that Kiwiniggers are subhuman.

>>75625772
I don't have to go anywhere, I can post on multiple websites at the same time. Crazy, I know.

>>75625627
thanks, much better.

>>75625704
Ignore evidence of what? She already posted why she was "banned" herself.

>>75625824
>newfag still doesn't get it
go back

>>75625704
evidence of? they are correct in not letting a political vtuber in if they don't want to ruin the vibes

Her chat literally mentioned Pippa before any of the stuff in the DMs came up as she was going through it. She was saying "Don't contact pippa/phase/anyone" before pretty much anything else.
Even if Pippa's name was blanked out or not even mentioned, the audience overlap with her would inevitably have people trying to go to Pippa/Phase with this shit, since apparently being friends with one of them means she's in the company somehow.
You people are total schizos thinking its some kind of scheme to drum up drama and use her name for clout, but what do I expect from vt anyway.

>>75625627
>AI art
LMAO, at least we know what group is behind this.

>>75625704
We saw the evidence of a perfectly reasonable response by event staff.

>>75626068
>mention pippa
>but guys actually don't contact her
understandable that autist can't get subtleties

>>75619976
Then why do trannies keep politicizing their "sexuality"?

>>75626158
>CHAT mentions Pippa
>Don't contact her, its not her problem, she comes up later and I will explain

>>75614623
>The reason Pippa wasn’t censored was because she found out that the volenteers tried to remove Pippa from the con last year which wasn’t public knowledge
There's no reason this needed to be public knowledge.

>>75625892
yet you schizos fill these threads with anything but those reasons.

This is why she got blacklisted last minute >>75623357 >>75623646
TLDR: Commiefornia volunteers demand Kirsche be blacklisted from Offkai and they get what they want because the Con would rather lose Kirsche than the volunteers.

>>75626200
>she comes up later and I will explain
lmao, truly wonderful friend Pippa has

>>75626068
>She was saying "Don't contact pippa/phase/anyone" before pretty much anything else.
So she already knew her audience was primed to drag Phase into this mess, and THEN decided not to block out the part of the DMs where SHE brought her into the conversation.

Got it.

>>75621255
>Kill all fascists.

>>75626223
>they get what they want because the Con would rather lose Kirsche than the volunteers
.... Is this suppose to be bad?

>>75626223
>they get what they want because the Con would rather lose Kirsche than the volunteers.
oooh nooo, how could they lose Kirsche!! she's sooo important

>>75626068
She knows exactly what she was doing and exactly what her shitter fanbase would do
saying "dont drag them in" is just a great excuse for her to use to cause more drama

Chuds sure cry a lot

>>75625627
Ayo free my nigguh Kirche she ain't do it mang.

>>75626392
DAS RIIIIIIIIIITE

>>75625093
She's boring as fuck unless she's talking about politics. I hate this mentality that all vtubers just need to play video games and be cute. Where's the fucking substance? Why aren't they covering shit like troon laws in the U.S. being absolutely insane? Far more interesting than FOTM slop.

>>75625907
Go back where

>>75624245
it proves that she was blacklisted because CEO had to chose between some whining Californian volunteers and her. And not because of whatever bullshit they're inventing in this thread.
>>75624862
>taking the PR response at face value while ignoring the actual response HIGHLIGHTED BELOW
Just say you hate Kirsche and are happy she got blacklisted, is better than that terrible attempt at disingenuousness

>>75626223
Kirsche can start her own con for fellow fascist vtubers, or just apply for a panel at CPAC.

>>75626556
just watch Tim Pool

>>75605973
>my oshi is a guest and taking part in a panel
>her small corpo wasn't able to take part in the meet and greets because Hololive is hogging a massive chunk of the meet and greet time slots
great event, I'm glad I'll skipped it this and will watch the panel online instead

>>75624783
mucho texto, but spot on and eloquent, it show's that you put a lot of thought into this.

>>75623357
Pretty sure she could sue them for this

>>75626001
the only vibes that are being ruined are from those whining volunteers who threathened to quit if Kirsche showed up, just like it happened with Pippa last year. Except that time they go told to fuck off because Pippa and PC are a package deal.

>>75626655
You've been saying this off cd for at least 18 hours. I don't know whether to laugh or cringe.
Tim Pool is a faggot btw
t. Ebil right wing chud

>>75626556
>She's boring as fuck unless she's talking about politics
Maybe she doesn't belong here

>>75625252
>she keeps it totally isolated from the community at large and other vtubers
That's the actual way to do it IF you want to go down that road of shit. What Kirsche is doing is trying to have her cake and eat it too.

>>75624926
She cannot. She's just too nice and has a shit poor judgement of character - she routinely chases off people who are kind to her but associates and seeks out shit people who actively harm her in some way. Kirsche actively harmed her reputation and the reputation of Phase and the two collabed a few times and there were perpetual shoutouts to each other across streams. Kirsche stabbed both in the back without the slightest hesitation. Like I stated - a portion of Pippa's audience and lefovers from kiwi and assorted sites and they choose and side with things on a political basis. I've seen multiple prominent members of her community side with Kirsche DESPITE the fact Kirsche's actions DIRECTLY HARMED Pippa and Phase. Not all of them mind you. Some were explicitly pro-Phase and pro-Pippa. It's that first portion of her audience that's a total liability for her and for Phase, but there's really not much Pippa can do about it. They aren't breaking any rules or anything and there isn't a way to filter them without Pippa herself dropping some hardcore leftist bombshell which in turn would just create more problems in the same vein as Kirsche's.

>>75625339
Kiwifarms's best content or theme are their threads where they just talk about shitty tech or consumer trends and stuff like that as a purely general forum. The rest of it is just normalfags pretending they're somehow hardcore and literal brown children. Like you said, the "this is cringe!" kind of normalfags who have fuck all to do with anything and are essentially spiritual soccer moms.

>>75625680
Yup. With friends like that Pippa doesn't need enemies.

>>75626119
So true, Xister!

>>75626655
Only when he stops being ashamed of being bald and drops the silly beanie.

>>75619976
being a tranny is a death sentence for yourself

>>75626764
is the first time I've ever said it, but great minds think alike, Tim Pool maybe be a fag but his politics are Kirche's

>>75626817
I wish Tenma would actually beat some fucking sense into her physically

>>75626817
>the fact Kirsche's actions DIRECTLY HARMED Pippa and Phase
how?

>>75624926
>/pcg/ NEEDS another wave of jilted schizos!
Has over a decade of Nyanners sperg outs taught you nothing?

>>75626886
Somewhat true but at least Kirsche is honest. Tim Pool is the definition of grifter along with Hasan Abi

>>75626962
the fact that she allows these people to fester in her community is why its only getting worse

>>75626556
This have to be a spyop, Kirsche fans can't be this retarded, if not, she really is a vtuber for people that doesn't watch nor care about vtubers

>>75626556
Get out you unimaginably dull politics obsessed fuckwit zealot. No, you aren't interesting and cool for foaming at the mouth about jews, blacks and trannies 24/7, 365.

>>75626319
>>75626329
You people just agree with it just because you hate Kirsche.
Had it been a vtuber you like, who got booted because of some snowflakes throwing a tantrum, you'd be screeching a different tune.

But you couldn't even admit that much.

>>75627039
Sorry if the truth isn't interesting or cool enough for you

>>75624245
you leftist trash should all be wiped out from this planet. You are an absolute cancer to humanity.

>>75626605
They're the same response.
If they had vetted the panel earlier she would've been disallowed for the same reason she's being disallowed now.
Except that that would have happened between them and the person running the panel, which would mean Kirsche wouldn't be able to turn it into a big stink for clout.

She should sue.

>ITT all woke tourists full mask off
Jannies could save this board by nuking every IP in this thread.
YWBAW
Communism doesn't work.

>>75626898
I think Tenma had already given her the talk to not associate with political retards, like that one fag that pretended to dox her after he had her on her stream once, she actually needs a beating from her

>>75626556
nah, she's kinda boring when talking about politics, and more entertaining when its some cursed as fuck article about some wild shit like a guy buying a juggalo's nipple for $20 to eat it or something

>>75627033
I don't fucking watch her, I just watch clips where she rants about trannies and DEI because her gaming streams are dog shit and boring. Still far more entertaining content than the rest of the EN scene.

>>75626556
>repeating the same opinions about the same issues right-wing YouTubers have been beating to death for 10 years is "substance"

>>75626750
At the very least she should charge them for damages, she spent time and money preparing for the panel. They are absolutely liable for loses due to their late cancellation.

>>75627181
i really hate that i have to be associated with so much of this fanbase, I like Pippa but she has actually ruined a lot of my enjoyment of interacting with other fans and puts all of us in a bad light with how her fanbase acts

>>75625093
yes, of curse she does more than that, but if she wasn't talknig about politics you guys wouldn't watch her at all, that's literally her brand.

>/pol/tards having a meltdown ITT
Sucks that reality has a well know liberal bias.
LEL

>>75605973
make B T calls if you know what I mean. kaboom

>>75624926
She should continue saying fucking nothing about it until after the con. And then she can just say "yeah, that sucked. Anyway..." if anyone brings up after. With any luck the seething queers in her audience that overlap with Kirche's will get fed up and find some other community to shit up.

>>75627179
>he thinks IP bans mean anything
Lol

>>75627048
Ok look at it this way. What are the possible reasons that someone may be banned from a con?
>Controversial figure
>Criminal

Now let's look at what a vtuber con is:
>Meet and Greets
>Artist alley

If your oshi gets banned from a fucking VTUBER CONVENTION, then your oshi is already a retard. My oshi would never be this retarded unless she became a rapist or a groomer.

>>75605973
>having a political grifter as an oshii
maybe this hobby isn't for you. ben shapiro chan is more your speed

>>75625161
>and nothing was done about it
to be fair, the "don't acknowledge" approach is not wrong either

>>75627315
I dont mean anything about this situation at all, just about how much her and Lumis fanbase harasses people.

>>75627152
>Convention guests get decided based on volunteer staff feefees
Great way to run a convention!

>>75627271
Why the fuck do you care what randoms think? Just watch your chuuba, holy shit

>>75627285
Lol they've gone so far up their own asses with "the fight" they've become the very thing they hate and rant about all these years.

>>75627343
>Troons being smart enough to dogde ban

>>75627048
my oshi is smart enough to not touch on controversial political topics

>>75627426
>um actually its fine that people harass your oshi and their fanbase because it doesnt actually matter
retard....

>>75627179
You're overdosing on redpills, anon. Brand risk cat is a brand risk (shocking!) and isn't wanted in polite society.

>>75627462
They're terminally online. I'd trust them more to figure out to to dodge a ban than almost any other simple task

>>75627489
How does that affect you?

>>75617798
lysander (offkai head organizier) personally confirmed it's the same group of volunteers that tried to get pippa removed from youmacon, try to keep up

fund schmund, once big creators start pulling out your convention turns into /wvt/ and the small vtubers can't hang out and "connect" with the big vtubers anymore, all of a sudden, no funds. no merch sales. no one buying tickets to your rainbow flag conventions, then holoEN's new gen looks like this

Offkai will be singing a different tune once Legal Mindset is done with them. Troons won't even know what hit them.

>>75627024
If they're bad now then what do you think renouncing them will do?

>>75627179
sir your hugbox is down the door under the Misc. sign

>>75625459
Gee "anon", I don't know, maybe the original lolcow himself? You being an expert Kiwinigger means I shouldn't have to tell (you) about the stakeouts.

Off Cuck is a shit event for literal whos anyway so who cares

>>75627637
Big if true, proof?

>>75627348
So you're gonna still ignore the actual reason why she got blacklisted.
THE ONLY REASON SHE GOT BLACKLISTED IS BECAUSE A SMALL NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS THREATENED TO QUIT
She wasn't a controversial figure for anyone else but them. It wasn't an executive decision, they were OK with it. And I assure you, most con goers aren't terminal commie spergs like in this thread so they wouldn't care either.

You all are beyond retarded.

i've already warned them not to attend because offkai doesn't run background checks on staff and had issues last year

>>75625252
>Unironical, real communist propaganda streams
>tweets talking about the love of karl marx and other historical figures
>actively encouraged the death of anything and anyone right wing several times
Safe to say she's just as politic as Kirsche, if not worse

>>75627378
Pippa herself doesn't have to acknowledge it, but her mods should be doing something.

>>75626898
I don't watch Tenma because male collabs filter me but I respect her a great deal. She has always steered Phase right and clearly takes care of the girls and has common sense. She genuinely knows what she's doing and the fact even she couldn't rub off some of that raw reason and sense onto Pippa depresses me. I am sure Tenma tried to help Pippa, tried to make her understand and help her out but even she, just like everyone else, can't fix a person. You can only go so far with influence. When Tenma told that groomer to fuck off during Lia's unintentional naive girl yab I knew she doesn't fuck around and has no tolerance for retardation, and I respect the hell out of that.

>>75626913
It's an intentional mentioning of Pippa and Phase, an Offkai sponsor. It was an attempt to cause division and revolt within Phase. Her plan was that Pippa's chud portion of the audience would probably cause enough chaos that it would get Sakana to pull out to "own the libs" or whatever else. Meaning, it was an outsiders attempt to hijack Phase Connect and use it as a weapons to further her own ends. Both Pippa and Phase are innocent bystanders that made for a perfect tool, and Kirsche knew that. I remind you and everyone else once more - this is supposed to be vtubing, not a culture war battleground with grifters of ANY stripe.

>>75627125
>>75627179
Back to your hugbox faggots.

>>75627669
at least let them and others know they arent welcome, they are too comfortable doing their bullshit
Pippa should deal with the fallout not every other fucking vtuber

>>75627616
>How does it affect you that people harass your oshi
I get that you shouldn't be parasocial but it's pretty easy to understand how

>>75627694
Chris chan? I'm don't know all of his lore but I was fairly sure he doxed himself

>>75627616
>GUYS IM BEING RETARDED ON PURPOSE!!!!!
ok?

>>75627391
>the people running the event decide who gets to be part of the event
Yes

>>75627528
There was no brand risk! Just a couple of whining volunteers who would've been told to fuck off had the person in question have bigger pull. Offkai doesn't care.
Stop pretending this is something that is not.

All you care about is that the bitch you love to hate got booted, at least be honest about and quit rationalizing it.

>>75627728
you want proof of the events that caused this thread to exist in the first place? scroll up retard

>>75627812
>I don't watch Tenma because male collabs filter me but I respect her a great deal
>he missed out on the schizospelunky kino stream
You poor fool. That being said even if we disagree on that part to be honest Tenma is without a doubt the golden standard of that company. Every couple months she has to make fox noises at chat and go
>SHUT THE FUCK UP
>I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR POLITICS
>OR YOUR SHITTY 4CHAN THREAD
Hag love.

>>75605973
I'm telling you. Hypocritical leftoid scum must be lined up in the streets and shot like animals. There is no other way. A lot of the struggles we are experiencing today it's because of them. We get rid off the leftoid scum and watch how the world improves overnight.

>>75627942
So no proof.
Gotcha

>>75626068
>blurs Pippa's name
>Chat, don't try to guess who is this person, cuz is of not relevance, what matter is that they tried to do it already
see, it would be the same, but she have to drag as much people as posible, so people may care about her

>>75627637
>personally confirmed it's the same group
Read nigga
He literally said those people left

>>75627814
I don't have to go anywhere, I can post on multiple websites at the same time. Crazy, I know

>>75627637
did you really expect commies to know facts?

>>75627776
yes, of course she is, but she's not trying to go to fucking Offkai or even get close to any other chuuba that could potentially get dragged down because of her...unlike the subject of this thread

>>75627859
No I want you to tell me

>>75628005
Are you expecting conservatives to present the truth and argue in good faith?

>>75627743
>>75623357
>"we usually ask to approve any co-panelists ahead of time but this case fell through the cracks"
So they forgot to vet her and then she got vetted. Why are you still stuck on this?

>>75626252
Pippa is not know for her decision making exactly

>>75627953
Based

>>75627977
>pretending to be mentally handicapped
>muh gotcha
You have the mentality of a 12 year old

>>75628086
doesn't create a fun enviroment in which to participate in

>>75627864
CWC's original doxxing came from his own autism, that much is a fact. But then people from that website would literally stakeout his house. Sometime in 2009 there was even a map of his frequented locations put together by multiple schizos on your subhuman lolcow website. It went far above and beyond just "autist posted his phone number and got got" and you pretending like you don't know even the most basic of the basics is confusing, as it implies you actually have some form of conscience inside of you. But we all know you don't.

>>75627814
4chan is not leftard territory, never has, never will be.
Join the 41%

>>75628181
>Resorts to personal attacks because he lies were exposed
Sausage

>>75627048
no way my oshi is a /pol/ grifter who cry because she is booted from the woke con

>>75628079
She has literally tried to set up a panel at Offkai twice and was banned both in 2022 and 2023 for the exact same reason as Kirsche.
Only difference is nobody cared when she cried about it because all her fans are SEA, and threw a much bigger shitstorm when she got banned from some Phillipino con for the same reasons

>>75627935
The grunts who do it for free don't "run" the event, retard.

>>75626556
Hard disagree she’s way better when talking about people sounding or some other cursed otherkin shit

>>75628342
Every single person on OffKai staff is a volunteer.
So yes, they do.

>>75628244
If a group of randoms that could disappear at the click of a block button diminishes your enjoyment of a stream then the Internet isn't for you.

>>75628258
Let's be real, CWC wouldn't gotten anywhere near as bad as he eventually did without kiwiniggers and their ilk dragging him down.

>>75628270
Sneed

>>75627938
She spends hours long streams ranting about culture war idpol bullshit, regularly promotes political activism on her social media, and desperately tries to insert herself into retard drama with flesh streamers. She's a brand risk for every corpo or con that just wants to sell merch and celebrate cute girls being cute.
She's fucking cancer.

>>75605973
BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED
POLNIGGERS AND DOXFAGS BTFO

>>75628277
I am the only one who hasn't lied
>>75628126
And you're stick stuck on the fact that's obviously a PR lie, when the real reason is just a couple of sentences below?

>>75628469
>I am the only one who hasn't lied
>Trying to gaslight on /vt/
KEK

>>75626223
>commiefornia
Get the fuck outta of here with that culture shit and state envy. Do you know how many times I have to hear "Muerican" and retarded sterotypes with "lel funny" while try to watch v-tubers and anything related. They hear one populist grifter rant about localization and board stoke the whole country as either some tranny hippy or a Trump voter. Get the politics out.

>>75628258
I only care about the first line of your post because the original question was
>Go find me an example of dox that was not previously made public by the lolcow in question
To which you just admitted CWC did to himself. I never endorsed any IRL shit, and frankly most posters on kiwi don't either.

>>75628496
I presented the receipts while you faggots gaslight and lie. Cope
>>75628536
Cry more Commiefornian

>>75628610
>I presented the receipts
No, you didn't. You just made a wild claim and refused to back it up. Because you're lying.

>>75628333
I'm gonna need a source on that chief because I follow her since early 2023 and saw none of that, can't find anything on it on twitter

>>75628258
I live in virgina in a town that's a 20 minute drive from chris chan's home and had a friend who was autistically obssesed with KF and chris chan. Dude would literally spend his weekends driving to his house just to take pictures and post it online, he would even show us pictures at school.
The chris chan community is fucking strange.

The allegation that Pippa was *supposed* to be blacklisted previously but wasn't should tell you a few things. Yes, we know that Offkai volunteers apparently didn't want to host her previously - but they did. Meaning that when push came to showe the Offkai management examined the situation, found that there is NOTHING controversial about Pippa sans an edgy joke from time to time and they made the decision to have her and Phase at the con. Management had the last word. Did Sakana threaten to pull out completely? We don't know. But I can tell you that to defuse a situation Offkai management might've said their volunteers were uncomfortable with Kirsche but that in reality it was their own call.

Examining the situation as is, it is undeniable that Kirsche is wholly political. Pippa was not and is not. The two are not the same. Regardless of the mechanisms in the background their decision makes sense and is appropriate to the situation. My hope is that this will also set a kind of precedent and reaffirm the notion and striving of not just official people but us, the audience, into insisting and demanding that vtubing remains a politics free zone. Politics of ANY stripe. We can use this whole situation to our own benefit, to the benefit of the whole vtubing scene and culture, and finally for the benefit of our oshis. No politics, just fun - the gold standard.

>>75628414
Absolutely, but more than that it's infuriating when kiwiniggers pretend like
>it was all out in the open! nothing wrong with that!
when they saw what was essentially a minor wound and turned it into a fucking bisection. It went from being a shitty little goof from back when /b/ was cool inb4 it never was (it never was) to schizos in their vans with binoculars.

At the end of the day, I don't have to do anything.

Kirsche WILL GO to your favorite con eventually and you WILL SEETHE about it.
Just like you seethe every day about her existing.

Being a marxist is being miserable and to spread that misery everywhere, you will never be happy, you will never have peace. You will always rage that the world doesn't conform to you.

>>75628779
>My hope is that this will also set a kind of precedent and reaffirm the notion and striving of not just official people but us, the audience, into insisting and demanding that vtubing remains a politics free zone.
Sucks for you because this is having the opposite effect. Looks like you just have to watch who you like and ignore those you don't. Sad!

>>75628651
>>75623357
>>75623646

>>75628885
>You will always rage that the world doesn't conform to you.
>he says while bitching about a con that didn't confirm to him

>>75628950
Nothing in there backs up your claim.
Why would you choose to BTFO of yourself?

>>75627205
>Still far more entertaining content than the rest of the EN scene
then tell me what you watch king, JP?, ID?, KR? some other country?, what other chuba entertain you?

>>75628885
>Kirsche WILL GO to your favorite con eventually
No she won't. Con people talk. It's unironically over for her.

>>75628885
God, what an ugly face, it's textbook bootleg anime.

>>75627637
>confirmed it's the same group of volunteers that tried to get pippa removed from youmacon
"The people who had caused the issue with Pippa left us last year as well" - Lysander in the pictures of the DMs

>>75628779
Its not that there's nothing controversial about Pippa, its that Phase finances SO much of the con, and is pretty much the biggest attraction for attendance there.
So it doesnt matter how many volunteers threaten to walk out over Pippa, its that actually blacklisting her would cost them way more than that.

>>75628581
There are so many exmqples that you could click a random lolcow thread and immediately find one but lets use something board relevant.
The vtuber thread? There are countless indies and even small corpos who have hard HARD dox on there. Some of the biggest examples are Lia and Pippa from phase connect, and twitch indies shylily and silvertail

>>75628885
Do... do people actually have a "favorite con"? All vtuber cons are basically the same to me and I don't think she's showing up at Reitaisai.

>>75629008
>NOO NOO IT DOESN'T COUNT B-BECAUSE... BECAUSE IT DOESN'T! OKAY?!?!
cope nigger

>>75628839
Exactly. The lying niggers of Kiwifarms always try to pretend that they aren't nasty subhuman sociopaths when outsiders express disgust for them. We all know how degenerate and pathetic they all are for obsessively stalking and harassing random weirdos on the internet they way they do.

>>75628581
>I never endorsed any IRL shit, and frankly most posters on kiwi don't either.
>site literally made explicitly for the purpose of doxxing people does not in fact care about doxxing people
and 100 other lies doxxtards tell themselves

>>75628415
Kirsche acts like the very angry, loud activist everyone always rants about with the difference being her appealing to the other end instead. It's ridiculous people didn't see it sooner.

>>75628885
>Being a marxist is being miserable and to spread that misery everywhere, you will never be happy, you will never have peace. You will always rage that the world doesn't conform to you.
nah rn I'm chilling desu

>>75629091
>Links to something that doesn't support his claim
>Has another meltdown after this is pointed out.
>And continues to rage

>>75605973
my oshi graduated years ago

>>75628415
So she's your standard right wing grifter/shill. OffKai is right to ban her if they already haven't.

>>75629083
Hard dox as in stuff from a past life that they made public at one point you mean? Excellent disingenuous post my good faggot!