/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>75354510
pickme cucknect

>stream title: mental illness

there you go, anon

>>75354510
>Assembly
No thanks

Jelly thread!

>>75354510
id rather my oshi use a razor than assembly when engaging in acts of self harm

>>75355342
Assembly is not hard.
C is where the real brain damage happens.

>>75354622
A pickme wouldn't ignore chat and turn silent for 2 hours to focus on writing assembly

>>75355371
the real brain damage is from her looking at chat, ever

>>75355371
C isnt brain damage tier, its comfy

>>75355574
it's brain damage tier specifically because it's the only language I know that allows you to completely fuck yourself over while being extremely silent about it. The simplest of things will drive you mad in C.
In assembly this does not happen. Despite assembly looking harder, it's much easier to reason about.

>>75355659
Try Java

>>75355700
Java has the opposite problem. It's literally impossible to shoot yourself in the foot in java because of how verbose it is, unless you are a complete retard. While it is mind numbing, I wouldn't consider it actually brain damage inducing. I leave the brain damage to the languages that are actually evil.

>>75355748
I hate Java libaries, nothing wrong with java itself, but fuck the libaries.

>>75355791
My top pick for "worst libraries of all time" has got to be python or javascript. pip and npm were a mistake.

>>75355862
I forced myself to forget npm's existance... Why is something so shit, so used...

>>75354510
I don't understand why people keep making jokes about Arch or how it is funny. I made modifications to my .xintrc in my home directory so that I could launch a kiosk version of Firefox specifically for TV version of YouTube by typing in a single command such as "startx ./.xinitrc ytv". Add to that I use an app on my phone to enter the command and navigate youtube via bt, giving me the closest experience of youtube tv on a linux computer. I don't have to deal with the bloat of a DE, although I do use i3 to wrap the firefox.

>>75355963
most people don't read manuals they just ask chatGPT everything
Arch is rtfm central so of course people make fun of it.
Hell most people on this board will make fun of you for this, mostly wintards over here. Ignore them.

>>75355963
It was the mega popular "thing" on /g/ for a couple years, got shilled to high ends as the cool new thing, and so a bunch of cringe highschool grads start installing it before they go off to college and that ruined Arch's reputation forever.

>>75355963
Rather than Arch itself, the joke is the tech equivalent of "anyway here's wonderwall".

>>75355659
clang -Weverything -Werror -fsanitize=undefined

>>75356440
You cannot escape, no matter how many flags you enable.
It isn't possible. I have tried, so has everyone.
You WILL have your memory corrupted, one way or the other. It is inevitable.

>>75356031
Before switching to Arch, I kept reading about how the community was just a bunch of rtfm assholes. But after I wanted something lightweight, I tried using Arch. Whenever I try to search anything linux related, one of top results is always the wiki or the Arch forums. Some the questions are so mundane and repetitive, but people do help and answer everything or just link the relevant wiki section. There could be a rtfm post reply in there but you could always just ignore it. So I never really understood the hate against the community. Feels like rtfm thing is really overblown because of >>75356056

>>75356559
Sounds like a you problem.

jelly....

>>75354510
Jelly likes minecraft and puzzles. I was thinking how nice it would be to have a phase server where the talents had to solve puzzles and mysteries to achieve an objective. It could have a theme and lore. They could form clans and duke it out and it will be a limited time server maybe 3-7 days. But I don't know if other phase talents would enjoy that or if such an elaborate modpack exists...

>>75356813
It's a widespread problem.

>>75356559
Just use standard libraries and don't suck. I've hit compiler bugs more frequently than I've corrupted memory since college.

Using Linux isn't programming

someone shoot this spamnigger holyfuck

>>75355371
>>75355659
Wait until you see C++

>>75355748
>It's literally impossible to shoot yourself in the foot in java because of how verbose it is
There's still some dumb shit you can shoot yourself in the foot with like trying to use `==`. Other than that, the problem with verbosity is that it makes it easy to fuck up in a different way because you'll eventually turn your brain off and start skimming and copypasting shit and that's when mistakes happen

>>75355659
What the fuck are you talking about? Assembly is even more silent about it.
C is what everyone was taught like a decade ago, and every programmer would know how to program C.
C, Java, Basic, none of those are hard. They only have either outdated libraries or aren't efficient with current hardware anymore, this is why even stuff like python isn't much different than stuff like Java when it comes to syntax.

People who think Assembly isn't hard are people who only did the equivalent of a sorting algorithm in it and thought that was the extent of it. I want to see you code something that is at least medium difficulty in other languages, like making an actual runnable program with a visual interface that interacts via mouse.

>>75359242
Damn...I remember using PenUp and PenDown from Turtle graphics in BASIC when I was a kid in school.

>>75359242
>What the fuck are you talking about? Assembly is even more silent about it.
NTA but in assembly what you see is what you get. C is a minefield of undefined behaviors and if you accidentally trigger one, the compiler can do whatever the fuck it wants

>>75359716
godbolt exists and so does ubsan

>>75357701
Thanks to shitdevs like you. I use C/C++ for game engine development and NEVER hit any memory issues and I have to manually manage memory on GPU too

Every "memory leak" I've seen was just retard who never learned what is heap, and keeps allocating shit inside while loop. All bitching about C family being unsafe is made by college shitters who don't know how to iterate through array, or learned that variables have callable functions

>>75359716
it does what you tell it to do, git gud

>>75359938
>>75360130
That's why projects worked on by some of the best engineers in the world like Chrome or Windows also have no memory management bugs, right?
You will have memory bugs in your code, you just don't notice because your criteria of good memory management is just not leaking enough to blow up your RAM usage.

>>75359716
>what you see is what you get
Same for C. This only wouldn't be the case if you did not know what the command you are using does, and this problem can happen in assembly too.

>>75360245
>some of the best engineers in the world
>Chrome or Windows
ok sanjay

>>75360245
memory leaking isn't memory safety

>>75360278
Yeah, you could apply and get into the same position any time, you just choose not to. I get it.

>>75360380
And you choose to post replies on 4chan with the most Reddit understanding of C.

>>75354510
is that the programmastar, or whatever her name was?

I hope Jelly makes Jelly AI into its own vtuber, then has it stream for her.

>>75354622
>pickme
>her major is literally in CPSC
If by pickme you mean trying to become a wagie, then sure.

>>75360378
The root cause for both is the memory management model of C. You cannot trust humans to not fuck things up, you have to make it impossible.

awa

>>75354510
Your oshi sounds based, anon.

>>75360246
Yeah but if you use assembly incorrectly, your program will probably stop working.
If you use C incorrectly and hit UB, your program might still work until you upgrade your compiler one year later and suddenly some new optimization fucks you over. Good luck finding the mistake at that point.

Jelly should teach me programming

>>75360651
No, memory safety is enforcable, memory leaks are impossible to avoid

>>75360679
>If you use C incorrectly
Cool bro, if you use a hammer incorrectly it will also have bad results.
And if you think that an assembly error is easy to spot, it's because you never actually did anything meaningful in assembly. Try to make a browser in assembly to see if it will "probably stop working if you do stuff incorrectly".

>>75360619
>her major is literally in CPSC
women only get into tech for maximum male attention and still only end up fucking the suit chads anyway to work their way up the company, even if they're skilled

only WHORES use assembly.

>>75361243
Jelly's parents would probably honor kill her if she settled for less than a rich CEO.

stfu fizzbuzzers none of you actually have done anything meaningful programming

>>75361471
Hey i made a shifting array in C
I'm a master programmer

>>75361471
I released a free audio plugin that's used by huge artists and frequently want to kill myself for not selling it.

>>75361471
>optimization is..... LE BAD
jeetest jeet to ever jeet

https://github.com/Stark-Night/awa5x

saar do not using assembly SAAR

>>75361572
no use in arguing over programming paradigms. use the tools best suited for the situation.
and even after that most programs call multiple libraries which you either might have no control over or even if they're oss it takes too much time in real world to wait for them to get fixed, so you can't be in full control of your program either way.
i like to do fine grain optimization whenever possible, and hate the modern webjeet mindset of
>every unused processor cycle and byte of memory is wasted
but sometimes you just have to get shit done

>>75354510
>TIS-100
based
i should play it at some point, i liked shenzhen I/O from the same dev.

...
This shit is why I switched to QA

>>75362006
true, you're basically standing on the shoulders of retards if you're doing enterprise shit with
hard deadlines
it's only going to get worse

This reads like an AI-generated /g/ thread

Oh this is the girl that got into this because of her b...rother right?
GRIM

>>75362687
This whore is only friends with males, just look at her twitter account where she posts screenshots of discord dms with them all the time, or the way she bootlicks sakana

>>75362687
>>75362918
???

>>75362110
the racism here is too tame for it to be a /g/ thread

>>75354510
>>75355480
>>75359242
>>75354832
That's not Assembly retards, thats a puzzle game called TIS 100

>>75363552
retard

>>75354510
But why?

>>75363207
reps, retard

>>75363679
There's no reps to be done anon. I don't see why you feel the need to make up stuff about one of the only chuubas with a clean record.

>>75363870
What a retard.
I'll spoonfeed you just for this time.
Look up her moonjelly account, she's constantly bantering with males. As for her behavior towards Sakana, if you don't see it you're fucking blind.

>>75364317
Once again, there's no reps be done.

>>75364492
lmao cuck

>>75364789
That's rich coming from someone that thinks about cucks all day.

>>75364947
NTA but i just checked the account and you're either that guy in the screenshots or you have brain damage

>>75354510
I want to go to college for programming, mostly for a good job and to find a new hobby.
What's the best major and/or general things to start with?

>>75365290
Please point out where I'm being cucked anon. Half the conversations she post are with women and (besides Turbo) the others are with fags.

>>75355659
>it's brain damage tier specifically because it's the only language I know that allows you to completely fuck yourself over while being extremely silent about it.
You haven't had the pleasure of working with python, have you?
You can encounter a syntax error, or any other seemingly static code error, after dozens or hundreds of hours of runtime, because those errors aren't detected until the application actually tries to execute that segment of code during runtime. Or worse, that code segment might only raise the error sometimes, dependent on input because of duck typing.
And it's not uncommon for python applications to suffer from the same bullshit that constantly plagues java, where people catch exceptions and then throw new exceptions instead of re-raising the exception or otherwise maintaining the stack trace.
>In assembly this does not happen. Despite assembly looking harder, it's much easier to reason about.
If you're limited to academics or just making something technically functional, I guess, sure. But when you need to meet a performance target while working within a set of limitations then things can get very tricky, and silently fucking yourself over becomes a lot easier.

>>75365801
Phasecuck...this is just embarrassing

>>75366563
Get help.

>>75363679
>holobrony trying to stir up shit doesn't know the invaders PLs are public knowledge

>>75366113
My favorite part of python was being handed a project that had a virtual environment set up with the proper version of each library but for some reason the python version itself is not part of the virtual environment so even though I had the correct library versions the library versions weren't compatible with my python version and at no point during the venv set up process was this flagged, I just had to diagnose my runtime errors one by one until I realized the problem was I was on python 3.7 and the virtual environment was made for python 3.4.
Which basically meant the entire thing was garbage and I had to resetup the entire project and all its dependencies by hand.
Either that or get stuck in the "which python" hell by not only having both python 2 and 3 installed but also several versions of python 3.
You would think that a language that historically fucked its own ass with poor backwards compatibility would learn its lesson but somehow versions of python 3 themselves aren't even backwards compatible with each other.

>>75366843
delusional

>>75366849
Could you not have just installed python 3.4 and used that to create the virtual environment?

>>75366849
Ironically it's easier to have one version of python 2.7.x and one version of python 3.x than it is to have two or more versions of python 3.x on the same system.