/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>75207802
holo does this too so it's ok

based doki yoinked her fortnite account back
based thief kayfabe

Why don't they just fucking ask for it back?

>>75207802
It's not too surprising they'd consider the publicly facing company account account company property.

>>75207912
They do not. Rushia was able to keep all of her games and accounts upon being terminated.
Why even bother making such an easily disprovable lie?

>>75207912
they don't you retard nijifuck, go kys like your doxsite

>>75207912
Nazuna used all her old accounts for games.

>>75207912
nijitards projecting again as usual

Millie! we know you're /here/ please defend this

>>75207802
>Do you think anyone ACTUALLY lost their computer because they used it to stream?
Probably not, but I am curious how these companies deal with reclaiming their copyrighted assets (models, proprietary programs, etc.)
Are they just trusting the former talent to not leak shit or use it ever again?

>>75208296
uhhhh UHHHH /vt/ bad!

>>75207912
Isn't this normal Japanese thing? I think there was some posts or something suggesting Pikamee went out of her way to make sure she didn't give up her old account so she still has it as Henya lol

If they wrote it up as work expense in their tax report, it belongs to the company.

>>75208296
Hey everyone,

I know there's been some controversy surrounding Nijisanji's practice of taking control of VTubers' Steam accounts after they leave the company. I wanted to take a moment to explain why this makes sense from a business perspective and why it's not as sinister as it might seem.

First, let's consider the role of these accounts in Nijisanji's content creation process. VTubers often play games during their streams, and many of these games are purchased or licensed by the company. This means that the Steam accounts aren't just personal accounts; they're business assets. When a VTuber leaves, Nijisanji retains control over these assets to ensure they can continue using the games for future streams with other talent. It’s akin to a company keeping company-issued laptops when an employee leaves.

Second, there's the issue of intellectual property and branding. Nijisanji has invested heavily in building the brand and creating a consistent experience for viewers. Allowing departing talent to keep their Steam accounts could lead to brand dilution if they continue to use those accounts to stream under a different name or with different content. By keeping the accounts, Nijisanji maintains control over the content associated with its brand.

Third, there's the matter of data security and compliance. Steam accounts contain a wealth of sensitive information, including friends lists, purchase history, and potentially even payment details. When a VTuber leaves, it's crucial for the company to ensure that any sensitive information related to their business operations is securely managed. Keeping control of these accounts helps Nijisanji meet its security and compliance obligations.

Finally, think about it from a contractual perspective. VTubers who join Nijisanji agree to specific terms and conditions. Part of that agreement is that the company owns the Steam accounts used for business purposes. This is a standard practice in many industries where employees or contractors use company-provided assets.

I understand that it might seem harsh at first glance, but Nijisanji's practice of taking control of Steam accounts after a VTuber leaves is a reasonable business decision. It helps them maintain consistency, security, and brand integrity while managing assets they've invested in.

I'm interested to hear your thoughts on this. Let's keep the conversation civil and open to different perspectives. Thanks for reading!

>>75208566
it only belong to the company if the company is nijisanji.

>>75208674
Thanks, Millie. Check's in the mail. Use it for your "grammarly" subscription.

>>75208512
Yep. She lost a bunch of accounts but managed to keep steam.

>>75207802
so ? who puts the money in the livers's paychecks, who did the amazing models and rigging, who owns the livers ips, who gives them advertising, the nijisanji networks and brand recognition ? is it the livers who were literal nobodies that gave them all that goodies ? no ? its riku's money, blood and sweat that made the livers famous in the first place, all of their achievements as a nijisanji liver are all rightfully belongs to the boss. there is no 100k subs, 1m subs, silver and gold playbuttons without riku and the brand's recognition. dont be so rude to the hands that feed you your success.

>>75208674
Now explain play button you fucking AI.

>>75209094
Hey everyone,

I've noticed a lot of discussion about Nijisanji's practice of not allowing their VTubers to take possession of their YouTube play buttons, which are awarded upon reaching 100,000 subscribers (Silver) and other milestones like 1,000,000 subscribers (Gold). I wanted to offer some perspective on why this practice makes sense for a company like Nijisanji.

1. Company-Owned Channels:
Nijisanji owns the YouTube channels on which their VTubers stream and build their fanbases. These channels are not personal properties of the individual VTubers, but assets owned by the company. This ownership structure is common in many entertainment industries where companies invest in talent and infrastructure.

2. Recognition of Company Efforts:
The YouTube play buttons are awarded to channels, not individuals. When a Nijisanji VTuber reaches a subscriber milestone, it's not just the individual talent that contributed to that success, but also the company's marketing, management, support staff, and other resources. By retaining the play buttons, Nijisanji acknowledges the collective effort behind the channel's growth.

3. Continuity and Legacy:
Nijisanji aims to maintain a consistent and coherent brand identity across its VTuber roster. If a VTuber leaves the company, the play button serves as part of Nijisanji's legacy and can be used to inspire future talent. It also helps maintain continuity for the company, especially when new VTubers take over established channels.

4. Contractual Agreements:
VTubers who join Nijisanji agree to certain terms and conditions, which likely include the understanding that the channels they work on are company property. This means that any awards or recognition associated with those channels belong to Nijisanji, not the individual VTubers. It's not unlike a musician not being able to take their gold records with them when they leave a record label.

5. Protecting the Brand:
By retaining the play buttons, Nijisanji ensures that these symbols of achievement stay within the company's control. This protects the brand from potential misuse or misrepresentation if a former VTuber decides to use their play button for unrelated or competitive purposes.

While it might be disappointing for individual VTubers to not have physical possession of their play buttons, it's important to remember that these are company assets. Nijisanji's practice of keeping them is not only consistent with business norms but also aligns with the company's need to protect its brand and recognize collective effort.

Thanks for reading! I hope this helps clarify Nijisanji's approach to managing YouTube play buttons. Feel free to share your thoughts or ask questions. Let's keep the conversation respectful and open to different views.

>>75209089
This is so stupid I had to check.

>>75209089
Nijisanji's brand is now so worthless that indies can earn more. You are delusional sister.

>>75209075
She also kept the Minecraft one.

>>75207912

>>75209409
which indies are earning more than sara, kuzuha, toya, deron and mito right now ? come on anon, nijisanji's brand is worthless right ?

>>75209611
>Minecraft
That just shows that particular Minecraft skin has been used in 3 different accounts, they still took her Steam profile.

>>75209776
Sister? Mind reminding me when they joined Niji? The brand was huge when they joined so they gained a lot from that branding, right?

>>75207802
To explain the clip, and also what they said and what we know.
They do take all of your in-game and game purchases if you make an account during that time as an organ. A good example is current Kuro's MC account (as shown by the pic), he bought it since he was a kid, he bought another one for Nijisanji, so that's the one they "kept" and he will never use again. This applies to everything (Steam, EA, Epic, etc) and likely physical products if maybe they offered you money (highly assumption but probably unlikely organs are too stupid to fall for this). Think of having an institutional email from your collage, and linking it to idk Spotify or Youtube, and the day you graduate (nudge nugde) they delete it, and hence you now have to redo every playlist, every subscription, everything.

All lost, all the money, all the stuff. No refunds.
So to all future organs (if you are still choosing to leave) DON'T USE YOUR ACCOUNTS, and be like the retard.

>>75208674
>Nijisanji retains control over these assets to ensure they can continue using the games for future streams with other talent.
This implies that accounts from a graduterminated talent are given to new talents. This affirmation is kinda disingenuous by itself.

>Allowing departing talent to keep their Steam accounts could lead to brand dilution if they continue to use those accounts to stream under a different name or with different content. By keeping the accounts, Nijisanji maintains control over the content associated with its brand.
Ever heard of changing usernames/tags or lawsuits in case of defamation? It's written with bright lights on the contract that you can't break NDA after graduation and say you worked at Niji as one of their organs.

>Steam accounts contain a wealth of sensitive information, including friends lists, purchase history, and potentially even payment details.
That's what Steam keys are for and why they can be provided when you get the perms. The organ can also buy it in case Niji doesn't provide said keys, just the perms.

By Kuro's comment, however, seems Niji doesn't provide ANYTHING but the perms and the organ needs to pay from pocket. That means the only payment infos that are there on the account are those from the organ itself, thus making this whole "they take those assets to use them with a future talent" argument even more retarded as you're exposing someone else's privacy in the process.

By the way, nice AI generated garbage, faggot

We already knew about this shit months ago anon. Not only did Sayu bring up losing her EGS account, Doki talked about how thankful she is that Epic gave her back her Niji account.
That's not to say its good because it obviously isnt. But it isnt new information.

>>75209834
You're a retard, that shows the name history for that specific account. It was originally Rushia but she renamed the account to Nazuna after she debuted and then she changed it to her VOICE-ORE name last year

Nina kept her steam games

>>75209960
Anon, the whole joke was that Millie was using AI. Stop seething and instead laugh at the sisters desperately trying to pretend Nijisanji has a reputation to save, or that Holo does anything close to Niji's bullshit, as Mike was seen using the same valorant/apex accounts as Rushia.

>>75209983
No, that's only Microsoft account, retard

>>75207802
true black company stuff

>>75209890
>noo you cant bring the jp livers, they are still earning golds.
>noo you cant bring up vox and luxiem members because of their current debuff status and (?) 3view ccv.
ok, which indies can get 24k usd dollars on their birthday like sonny ?

>>75208674
>Long ass defense corposlop post
>Reddit spacing
I’m gonna assume this is pure retardation and faggotry, call you a nijisis, and say fuck you because nothing justify LITERALLY stealing something you asshole, I hope you get whatever you own repossessed and die destitute.

>>75207802
Wtf? Sisters told me the leaked contract that said niji could do this exact thing was fake

>>75209916
this is stupid to do, you just buy your games in your normal account and the one that is for the job you just give access like is shared with your family, you left 0 games in that account and when you are done you loose nothing more than maybe skins or everything that you wasted for virtual money which you would not do it if you are intelligent enough.

>>75210167
That's a ChatGPT post because Millie was caught using it for her tweets

>>75209973
No sayu lost her shit because she changed her account email to her Nijisanji given email then got locked out because she could no longer get into the email, this all happened when she was doing the UNO shit and her name was her old one so she was trying to make it change. same shit happened to doki because she got a fortnite creator code but it was for selen just that none of them thought about changing the email back.

>>75207912
Kson and henya their account back tho even Minecraft

>>75208355
>Do you think anyone ACTUALLY lost their computer because they used it to stream?
>Probably not, but I am curious how these companies deal with reclaiming their copyrighted assets (models, proprietary programs, etc.)
They are on their work phone, which is actual company property.

>>75209960
>>75210167
>not getting the joke
>writing out entire essays in response to chatgpt
this board's retardation continues to surprise me every day, i blame a certain geographical region of planet earth

>>75207802
THEY STEAL YOUR FUCKING MONKEY

>>75209973
Then explain why nijisisters are still arguing about it in this thread

>>75208355
In the Nijisanji clause if their software is on your hardware they have legal grounds to take it.

>>75207802
Not beating the black company allegations.

>>75211527
Nijiniggerism transcends nationality

>>75207802
Damn thats crazy, i uhhh don't care

>>75211590
They are retarded

>>75208116
>>75208175
Her steam account is still named Ru so she definitely didn't keep that.

>>75210165
>24k on his birthday
Yeah and he made 22k TOTAL from between august 2023 to april 2024, He ONLY gets paid on his birthday and that really isn't a flex
>JP livers
Did you know dokibird outearned kuzuha the past 4 months between the pair of them?, Did you know marine's 3 million subscriber push ALONE outearned kuzuha's entire march + april fools stream?, Betcha didn't, Nijiniggers will ALWAYS lose the numberfagging game, You fucks have nothing

>>75211652
And yet here you are

>>75211742
Since you know so much about jp livers and Kuzuha, you do know he's had a slower year in terms of streaming because he had probably one of the biggest vtuber concerts last month, right? Superchats are far from his only source of money anyway, Niji livers have said time and time again that voice packs > superchats for example.
I don't doubt that Marine outearned him with a special stream, but don't even try to put Doki on the same level as either of those two. You're delusional if you believe she is even close to being as successful or deserving to be considering most of her "fame" came from her offering the perfect anti-niji narrative and saviourfag bait. Your oshi really isn't all that special, especially outside of en, so stop trying to use jps for your argument when it's clear you know nothing. Or better yet kill yourself.

>>75213078
Sounds like cope

>>75213078
How hard will this sister seethe when Kuzuha joins Holostars after Niji dissolves?
It's adorable to see her trying so hard to defend her little black company.

>>75210167
lurk more

>>75213241
Effortless cause the probability of that happening is 0%
Next seethe please~

>>75207802
fake, HE JUST NEEDED TO FUCKING ASK

>>75213241
Where did I even defend Niji as a company there? I honestly wouldn't care if what you described were to happen because I care for the livers, not the company. Although I think that specific scenario is unlikely, if something were to happen to niji he'd probably stay an indie especially if he can keep the rights for his model.
You people on here really aren't capable of critical thinking at all, not everyone is a bootlicker for the company, a tribalfag or a numbernigger. I think Niji has some really bad practices, and NijiEN overall sucks but I enjoy some of the jp livers and the company provides some useful things for them like 3D models and cool opportunities. That's all.

>>75213731
yes sister,keep seething,more funnier that way #cut4hex

>>75213838
Then you'd better hope he goes indie because if even NijiEN's best boy Mysta, and one of their OGs, Chihiro, was fucked up beyond all reason by that company, what do you think they're doing to Kuzuha and Kanae?
If you care about the streamers, you should WANT them to leave that fucking sludge pit.

>>75213838
>You people on here really aren't capable of critical thinking at all
sister,its funny to laugh at you,but pls stop it,its getting more pathetic at this point,i mean we knew you have 0 self awareness,but seriously

>>75214002
But if they disliked it so much, they would leave, just like Chihiro did. Considering JP hasn't had that many graduations in the past year or so, clearly staying in the company has enough benefits to make it worth. If the livers I like want to stick around, I'll support them, and if they want to leave I'll support them in that as well.
I really don't care that much for the black company argument because I recognize the issues too, I was just calling the anon above a retard for genuinely believing Doki could be on the same level as fucking Kuzuha.

>>75214683
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battered_woman_syndrome

It's really not easy to leave an abusive relationship. Especially considering nearly all vtubers are mentally ill in some form or another and easy to manipulate.

>>75214683
>But if they disliked it so much, they would leave, just like Chihiro did. Considering JP hasn't had that many graduations in the past year or so, clearly staying in the company has enough benefits to make it worth
holy retard,no wonder ppl wont take you seriously,this aint 2019 where everyone and their mother specially in japan think niji is the holy place of a company and ppl will suck riku dick just to stay.

>>75214822
Let's say I agree with you there, as a fan there's not much that I can do about it if it were true. As I said I'll support my oshis along with their decisions regardless of their corpo status. I don't really understand how this is a difficult concept to grasp.

>>75215132
Fair take. Sorry for snapping then. There's been a few shitstirrers using similar arguments trying to smear people. Good luck to you and your oshi then, anon. I hope you both find happiness.

>>75215217
It's fine, this is /vt/ after all. It's already a surprise if I manage to have any sort of a discussion on here without it devolving into buzzword spam.

>>75215132
>I don't really understand
Coz supporting your oshi means supporting the bad corpo she works for. Nothing really hard to understand in that unless you blindly support your oshi then that might be the reason you cant understand it .

>>75215576
thinking that nijinigger understand what it means to actually support the vtuber not the company? lol

>>75211742
cool, you have no response to sonny's birthday earnings since no indies can come close to it. dooki might win the superchat game, but she cant win against kuzuha's merch, sony sponsor, conserts, views and voicepacks. she can keep collabing with grifters like herself though, maybe pippa can get dooki to train herself to do conserts in the future, she have to lose some meat first though.

>>75217353
>IT DOESN'T COUNT

Meanwhile Henya kept her PL's Steam account with no issues

As long as the steam account was made before you join i don't see how they could its legally yours and no contract can change that infact in many games change of ownership is illegal

>>75217353
Clearly the solution is for Sonny to have 8 birthdays a month. THEN he can finally save Nijisanji!
>>75217753
To be fair, was VOMS even really a corpo? It was basically just the girls and GYARI, right?

>>75208674
This made sense IF Niji paid for the games, but the livers used their money so its bullshit

>>75217353
>the absolute state of the NDF

>>75217793
Generally corpos make new accounts for their new identity.

>>75217849
>just the girls and GYARI
Hey don't forget about my nigga DMJ!

>>75208674
>why it's not as sinister as it might seem.
i stopped reading after this
i can only say to you
purchases using company money is redeemable by the company
however in turn purchases using your own money means its your property
if your contract says that all purchases while in contract is redeemable by the company ask to change this clause and dont get starstucked by getting into a big company

>>75208674
>First, let's consider the role of these accounts in Nijisanji's content creation process. VTubers often play games during their streams, and many of these games are purchased or licensed by the company. This means that the Steam accounts aren't just personal accounts; they're business assets. When a VTuber leaves, Nijisanji retains control over these assets to ensure they can continue using the games for future streams with other talent. It’s akin to a company keeping company-issued laptops when an employee leaves.

Steam accounts cannot be business assets as they can be interchangeable. meaning you can change the whole info of this account into someone else except for the SID(which i think can be also change upon reasonable request on steam). and they asks permissions on the publishers of the games they play due to japanese laws

>Second, there's the issue of intellectual property and branding. Nijisanji has invested heavily in building the brand and creating a consistent experience for viewers. Allowing departing talent to keep their Steam accounts could lead to brand dilution if they continue to use those accounts to stream under a different name or with different content. By keeping the accounts, Nijisanji maintains control over the content associated with its brand.

like i said in the previous one steam account can be changed so the whole "branding" of nijisanji here can be removed any time

>Third, there's the matter of data security and compliance. Steam accounts contain a wealth of sensitive information, including friends lists, purchase history, and potentially even payment details. When a VTuber leaves, it's crucial for the company to ensure that any sensitive information related to their business operations is securely managed. Keeping control of these accounts helps Nijisanji meet its security and compliance obligations.

these purchases are (if true) are from the livers own pockets meaning the copy of the games they bought is now their property. if the sensitive information you are pointing out can be listed as "payment method information" "company email address" "phone number" and some of that i may missed can be edited and be turned into something else so i dont see how "keeping control" of these accounts helps nijisanji security

all in all steam has this button called "delete this account" so anything you might label as "assets" can turned into nothing and all the purchases the livers did cannot be returned to them so nijisanji has this hand where they can just say : "what account? we dont have it" because its already gone

>VTubers who join Nijisanji agree to specific terms and conditions. Part of that agreement is that the company owns the Steam accounts used for business purposes. This is a standard practice in many industries where employees or contractors use company-provided assets.

they could as to change this clause its in their right to negotiate their own contract (but i guess getting blinded by the glory of a so called big company can be blinding and they just say yes to everything they throw at them is the main problem why we have these legal issues after they left niji)

as it is both niji and liver is one at fault here one niji putting that stupid thing where they can take back all you built up after you leave the company, two the liver not reading such clause on the contract and not negotiating to change it even they cant they can atleast make it by the time they leave they will atleast have something in return

You have to be a fucking shitstain to work at a corp, especially in a creative field where they claim ownership of all mental output of their employees. They can go after you for your fucking thoughts because they can claim those thoughts were influenced by work at the corp. Subhuman world we live in.

>>75221547
Work at a corp in any type of management/leech role*

>>75221547
its not that bad to work in a corpo for a year or 2 to build up audience then go back to indie

its the same as games with publishers nobody is going to play your game if nobody knows about it existing

>>75221294
>replying to a chatgpt post
bot post

>>75221749
shocking how retarded some people on this board are

>>75221547
more like shitstain to support corps doing that kind of stuff
a lot of the niji talent was very young when they signed contracts with them, so while I hope for it, I don't expect a 19-21yo fresh out of college to be able to immediately recognize a predatory contract especially in a new industry. once they sign they're stuck working there and they also may be so young and inexperienced that they don't know parts of what they signed might not be legally enforceable. vshojo paid for michi to hire a lawyer that they didn't have any ties to to look over their contract before signing and wouldn't accept her joining without that step, to me that signals how bad it can be out there

>>75207802
itt: the holokike cries out in pain as he strikes you

>>75210013
That's because she used two accounts, her company mandated "Nina Kosaka" account that she didn't use and her actual pre-niji account that she renamed "Nani Kusa"

>>75221951
The nijinigger shrieks in horror upon being found out

>>75221951
Kuro was a nijisanji talent...who is in vshojo now... Ironmouse is in vshojo...
What holo?

>>75207971
KEK

>>75210141
you're actually a retarded person. this isn't even bait, you're just painting yourself out to be a complete and utter retard

>>75207802
I was about to post "Well it makes sense, they're accounts related to their job, created with the streamer's alias, so they're company's property", but then I realized that the Livers probably bought all that shit with their own money. Games, DLCs, in game skins, etc. I doubt Anycolor refunds them that shit.

>>75208512
nope miguel got to keep her mc account

>>75211204
Steam family sharing is getting a bit more complicated in the future. What do we best do then?

>>75207912
Not always. Kson still has her accounts.

>>75208674
Millie, you gotta stop using ChatGPT and start learning English you fucking subhuman

>>75208674
>This means that the Steam accounts aren't just personal accounts; they're business assets.
>It’s akin to a company keeping company-issued laptops when an employee leaves.
Except the games/vosmetics were bought by the livers using their own money with no company compensation, they weren't company-issued, so the comparison fails.

>>75209089
>amazing models and rigging
lol
perhaps even lmao

>>75209089
>>75225006
Zaion Lanza's model and rigging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlHMe-ekQs4
And here's Sayu with her indie model.
https://files.catbox.moe/sqz279.mp4
In what fucking world was Niji's rigging amazing? It was a disgrace compared to what she got on her own.

>>75225122
sex with robo-hag

>>75207802
So what's the point of this ?

Assuming no one gonna use those accounts; kurosanji have dozen of steam acc with cosmetics ,trophies , achievements line up just like the silver buttons. And that gives kurosanji (Riku babyface ) a sense of accomplishments , superior , boosting their ego.

>>75213078
Do you realize that niji livers only get a neglible cut of all of that money? Whereas indies get to keep everything.

>>75209089
>who puts the money in the livers's paychecks
the fans
>who did the amazing models and rigging
nijisanji doesn't have amazing models and rigging, they only have good designs.
>who owns the livers ips
unfortunately the company
>who gives them advertising
where was the advertising for Mika?
>the nijisanji networks
the organs have to do that themselves and nijisanji doesn't even help to make the nijibox a nice place
>brand recognition
it's a giant debuff in the EN, conglatulations

> is it the livers who were literal nobodies that gave them all that goodies ?
nijisanji would be nothing without the organs, which is something they are currently learning the hard way
>its riku's money, blood and sweat that made the livers famous in the first place
you cannot be serious, the man is literally taking most of the profits for himself.
>all of their achievements as a nijisanji liver are all rightfully belongs to the boss
that's not what most people think and this attitude actively harms the organs by making them depressed.
>there is no 100k subs, 1m subs, silver and gold playbuttons without riku
the organs don't even receive them so they might as well not exist
>dont be so rude to the hands that feed you your success.
nijisanji is the hand that strangles the livers.

>>75225542
>>who gives them advertising
>where was the advertising for Mika?
Worse. Selen was told flat out she was unmarketable and that she wouldn't get future sponsorships.
The fucking best performing woman in the branch was told she was unmarketable.

>>75207802
It's not stealing if it was in the contract
>Every single game and purchase that they spent their own money on was "returned" on leaving.
Was it their own money?

>>75225687
Yes. All games are purchased with their own money. Unlike Hololive, they don't even get a discretionary fund to help with it. It's all paid for by them like a fucking pyramid scheme.
It's why Mouse was fucking mortified once she found out and flat out told Mysta if he needed to buy any games again, she'd cover it.

>>75208674
So how would you explain doki claiming her own skins and fornite account? I think this whole issue is in a gray area and really depends on the company I mean technically they do not own the account because STEAM owns it you're just given the permission to buy and play games and steam can take it away on their grounds

>>75213241
Don't use mococo for a homoshitter post.

>>75225773
Do they have a program where they can return the money to you?

>>75226319
Of course not. No refunds in Nijisanji. Ever.

>>75221951
Nijifans out here fighting ghosts

>quit my job as a bus driver
>WTF WHY DON'T I GET TO KEEP THE BUS THIS ISN'T FAIR BLACK COMPANY BLACK COMPANY
Y'all holobronies aren't particularly smart lol

>>75207912
No, Holo is A LOT better than Niji there. Kson kept her stuff and iirc Nazuna had several goofs when she started where her game accounts where still named after Rushia, so even a terminated talent was able to keep the games.

>>75226658
I mean if you were the one that bought the fucking bus with your money, that would be a valid question, yes

This actually doesn't surprise me at all, that a corporate vtuber would have a corporate steam account assigned to them. At the same time, though... I would expect the corporation to foot the bills for all the games used in streaming if they own the account.

>>75226658
this bus analogy would had worked if you're comparing to their character models instead. otherwise that's stupid.

>>75226365
Then on what grounds are they allowed to keep the games, feel like we're missing something or K9 didn't give all the info.
>>75226658
>>75226714
Perhaps a better comparison would be truckers, some of them own their own truck while others pay the company to use theirs.

>>75226658
So there's a bus company that ask you to bring your own bus to join, interesting.

>>75226824
Phase pulled that stint once with Yuri. i imagine Suisei is on the same situation too.

>>75226819
It's attached to the company e-mail and Niji won't let them change it when they leave. Sayu stupidly changed her old epic account's e-mail to theirs when she joined, so she lost it entirely once niji fired her abruptly.

>>75207802
Wtf black company…

>>75214683
>But if they disliked it so much, they would leave

>>75226982
Fair enough but they can't demand that you pay for the stuff you need to perform your job. Not without some sort of money back program, so do they have this? Was K9 aware of that or is he dumb enough to not know.
>>75227052
It is, as is reading a contract before signing it. It's a job, so you have to read up on rules and regulations. All vtubers know this right?

>>75207802
It should be very easy, if the "talents" have to buy the games themself and not get the money back from the company it should be theirs. if the company pays they own it.

>>75227241
A-anon...
I hate to tell you this, but Nijisanji is essentially built like a pyramid scheme or a cult. You get a "starter package" which is completely inadequate, and then you get paid entirely on commission, which is horribly manipulated against you while also forcing you into deeper and deeper debt to the company, either monetarily or psychologically. They provide no support, nor any money to get anything done and you have to manage and pay for everything yourself. You are also BANNED from contracting outside help yourself, unless your name is Luca Kaneshiro in which case go ahead and leak fucking everything.

>>75227241

>>75210167
I think the one that needs to stop "reddit spacing" is yourself, retard.

>>75227369
Your imagine is a proof of personal failure then a corporate one.

>>75213078
Kuzuha and other JP faggots are worthless shitters compared to the likes of the holoJP heavy hitters like pekora and marine, 2% merch cut doesn't help either, I'm sure daddy riku appreciates all the money his little monkies earn for him, But i guarantee doki makes more money than kuzuha does, You really think the organs get a good cut from concert tickets?,. KEKAROO yeah no. And as for "more deserving" Maybe considering the hell they have to put up with in regards to working for that hell company, But i'd hardly say they are talented

>>75227600
>But i guarantee doki makes more money than kuzuha does
Not yet, I doubt it.
She still hasn't gotten any events or anything in the pipeline finished yet. Maybe in a few months she'll make more than Kuzuha, but not while she's still setting up.

>>75226702
>Kson kept her stuff
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cocokiryu
I don't think she did

>>75227446
Learn English

>>75228189
Curious. I bet she'd answer if you asked her about it.

>>75227600
Delusional. If you really want to numberfag about earnings, Kuzuha probably earns more money thanks to the various PRs he gets alone. Niji also provides them with many opportunities that indies could only dream of, so I think the trade off is fair.
>i'd hardly say they are talented
It's really funny of you to say this while defending Doki of all people, aka the vtuber that only got popular thanks to drama and pitybaiting. At least the Nijis who are popular earned it on their own, so yes they are far more talented and deserving of it than Doki.

>>75207802
It depends, i bet Mysta steam was a Nijisanji made account.
Selen managed to get all her past accounts because it was her own anyways.

>>75228234
Fuck you my brain is hazy today

>>75217353
>no response to sonny
My response is he made less than his birthday money the past 7 months of combined streaming, That is the response, My response is his total earnings isn't even the highest of his own fucking generation despite his miracle birthdays. Having just ONE good stream a year doesn't do jack fucking shit for a person cause news flash it costs more than 25k a year to live and sonny only gets 1/3rd of it anyway also
>Lel dookie dookie fatty fat fatty
jesus the NDF really are brainmelted

>>75228756
Your brain is hazy everyday, corpocuck.

AI bootlicking Millie is a great bit

>>75228251
Kson is too professional about NDA stuff, so unlikely you'll get a real answer.

She pretends to be a rebel, but actually isn't.

>>75209089
what ever weed this sister is smoking i want some
never i seen a person so delusional in my life
especially the part where on
>riku's money, blood and sweat
this is garbage

>>75226658
if you have compared the bus accessories and other things inside the bus that are not company bought not the bus itself to their steam accounts could have work

and here i thought tourist are smart

>>75228189
tnx anon
now you just doxxed her unprivate friends of friends on this account and so on

>>75231123
retard

>>75227241
sister, not providing the money for their talent to purchase games to play on stream for their JOB is one of the lesser crimes that anycolor has committed. they fully admitted in their own statement that they violated canadian labour laws by harassing an employee on sick leave, and in the black stream they admitted to giving their current talent access to legal documents including a health diagnosis of a former talent which is also very illegal
not refunding talents for required purchases is child's play compared to that

sisters, do you like big white cock?

>>75207971
Why ask? That's just opens you up for them to tap at some jankily worded part of the contract that says something like-
>15A) any purchases made while or for streaming purposes are hereby property of the company
Better to just yoink it from under them while they're distracted putting out internal fires kek

>>75228189
looks like corpo acc considering everyone there is from holo

>>75209834
>>75210141
anon I hope you're trolling and not this fucking stupid. this takes two seconds to lookup.

>>75231373
If they committed crimes then where is the lawsuit, where's the criminal investigation.

>>75208674
>ITT all these retards who don't realize this literal chatgpt jokepost was a joking response to AIEEEEEEEEE TASUKETE MILLIEMAN and are instead taking it as 100% serious
Christ how is this board so fucking dumb

>>75208674
thank you for being the voice of reason as usual, millie and chatgpt

>>75207912
Why is the first post always more often than not the worst and most retarded post of the entire thread?
Always bad faith, condescending, contrarian, ill-informed and/or in denial.

>>75224450
>>75231731
Bruh, a single game doesn't prove any shit that she kept her Steam account. You have no prove that she's been playing with the same account in another game and that Minecraft thing is the only thing you hold on to and kept using it to twist the narratives.
ps : Calling me retard multiple times won't prove that she kept her Steam account too.

>>75209089
>amazing models and rigging
O i am laffin

>>75232389
Because the world's gotten unreasonable enough that there exists people who unironically would post that.

I took my meds today

>>75227369
>unless your name is Luca Kaneshiro
Speaking of that, why is this faggot still in the company? After all the damage he's done?

>>75236111
yep

>>75236111
2 reasons
>sunk cost fallacy as they don't want to admit to being wrong now
>he's still a money maker and that's priority number 1 for them
Especially now that they're bleeding on every metric.

>>75217753
She changed her email and password beforehand, but I'm 99% sure GYARI would have been cool with her keeping her Steam regardless.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2H8zA2mUmk

>>75207802
Gura deflection thread

>>75218140
There's more boys now actually

>>75207802
I can't tell if you guys are being retarded on purpose but yes they keep the account. You can play all your games perfectly fine if you log into steam on another account and you have the game downloaded, you just have to type in a code from the OG account's email for permission to "borrow" the game, it's been a feature on steam for years. If you were buying games on your company account you unironically deserved to get robbed for not reading your contract.

>>75232278
if anycolor was registered as a business in canada, which they legally should have been because by her province's definition of employment selen was an employee and not a contractor, then doki has the right to tell the government to investigate anycolor for workplace violations, that's how "lawsuits" work against workplaces in BC. what's more likely is that anycolor was not registered as a business because they clearly do not give a fuck about breaking laws and thus she has no recourse. I believe all the talent still left in nijiEN are in ontario and I don't know what the workplace laws are there but if they have talent in BC or are planning to hire someone in BC they would need to actually register this time

>>75238757
what likely happened is that kuro changed his original pre-niji steam account's email to his niji email, and he forgot/didn't think to change that email back to a non-niji associated one. he's now locked out of that account because he has no access to that email. I do think it would be worth him contacting steam about it as he's likely got thousands of dollars of games on there that he paid for with his own money, it worked for doki with epic

>>75239080
It's possible but I doubt it, he did streams during the steam sale just like everyone spending hundreds on games. Mysta is unironically below average IQ according to tests he took. Remember this is the same guy who put himself $300k in debt because he thought he could write off a house he doesn't live in or work in as a business expense.
The only games you actually get cucked out of your money for are games like minecraft where your game is attached to a username, you can change your minecraft username but very few vtubers actually use the same account because there are websites that track accounts' old users, for example some of the older holoJPs use accounts from before they joined but most people got a new one.

>>75238880
>was not registered as a business because they clearly do not give a fuck about breaking laws
And government was not giving a fuck about enforcing them and Selen didn't give a fuck about her rights as a worker. A trio of no fucks

Gundou kept her account though

>>75239358
>Remember this is the same guy who put himself $300k in debt because he thought he could write off a house he doesn't live in or work in as a business expense.
How is it that he and Michi doesn't have some sort of legal guardians with them at all time?

>>75239415
this was entirely on anycolor, the government can't enforce laws on a foreign business if they don't ever claim they're a business operating in canada, and they would have told selen she's a contractor and not an employee. in many other jurisdictions they would be correct which is why the employee might assume that, however in BC the law is written so the local definition of employee is the legal one, not what the employer and employee think it is

>>75240083
Na Selen is also to blame here, good thing that Hololive is going to avoid situation like this by setting up offices so they know what rules and regulations to follow.

>>75239638
idk they probably misassume that anyone in EN has ever had a real job before and that they need someone to do everything for them instead of asking for advice on bits here and there. hell mika probably made mysta help her with her fucked up taxes in the first place
anycolor needs to stop hiring third worlders and people with no common sense in general

>>75208674
not reading all that nijifag using chatgpt

>>75208674
shut the fuck up millie your company literally killed a fairy, she's a ghost now because of you

It's only ok when Holo does it

>>75207802
All this tells me is that every vtuber who ever joined Nijisanji is either incredible desperate, incredibly retarded or, more likely, both.

>>75207971
Kek

>>75242388
pretty much both. If you weren't on the ground floor, you're worthless.

>>75208674
I agree and believe everything you say but
>many of these games are purchased or licensed by the company
I don’t think so. Perhaps if there’s something like a company mandated event that requires the talent to purchase a game they don’t currently own, perhaps then they will pay for it.

>>75208674
millie...

>>75225122
what you left out is that the only toggle Sayu used in the ad was to turn on the starry eyes at the very end, everything else is via face tracking.

>>75209094
Nobody fucking asked.

>>75208674
>shitpost goes so fucking hard it got everyone tweaking
I KNEEL

>>75225122
Isn't this the same chuuba who almost never got that "amazing model" after flaming the artist and rigger publically over twitter?

>>75256356
No, and I'm not sure how the story got twisted into flaming two people on twitter.
She repeated a stupid rrat she heard from chat that day during an emotional breakdown about her post-niji harassment about how she couldn't afford to skip the line (implying that if you have enough money you can fast track any vtuber model's creation over earlier commissions). She apologized to Yuniiho almost immediately and it had no effect on their friendship or or working relationship.
Don't even know where your comment about the rigger came from since she wasn't even involved at the time.

>>75208116

>>75256586
>personal problems is an excuse to slander someone your contracting a design for on twitter
>All because of retards in chat who don't know how this industry works spouting rrats
It still blows my mind that this is a grown ass woman in her 30's acting like this.

>>75233390
Why so many words where you could just use its synonym: "Nijisister"?

>>75256845
Mentally stable people do not become vtubers, anon.
Also she just had her career destroyed, her "friends" at her new workplace had betrayed her, several "friends" before niji had ghosted her to save their own skin, her house address and passport was doxxed, and she was still receiving constant harassment. This on top of her cat dying. I think she can get a some slack for having a menhera outburst.

The lesson to be learned from this is if you ever go corpo just buy games on your pre-existing Steam account and play shit through family sharing on the corporate one. Lie to management about it if you must.
Oh and just don't join Niji.

>>75257086
That's terrible and no one deserves that, my condolences man vtuber fans can be fucking revolting.
Still not gonna justify spreading false info about how someone does commissions, she should know better considering she's dealt with it herself.

>>75257380
Yeah, if you haven't seen it, this is the breakdown that's the source of pretty much all of it. The little comment about line cutting was near the end.
https://youtu.be/dnP5bIRfwq0

>>75257902

>>75228333
>Various PRs
>Niji keeps all of it
Yeah okay buddy fucktard
>Dooki dooki doooookiieeeeeee
Stop shitting yourself sister and get a life

>>75228189
is this doxxing

>>75207802
?

>>75207912
ehhhhhhh

>>75207802
THEY STEAL YOUR FUCKING MONKEY

>>75233571
Calling you a retard is just statement of fact.
>you have no prove
lmao, yep, retarded

>>75207802
in other words, he was a retard.

How could they even try to justify this?! It's a blatant violation of trust and privacy! These VTubers pour their hearts into their content, and then when they decide to move on, Nijisanji just snatches away their accounts like it's nothing? This is beyond messed up.

Sure, they might spin it as "business assets," but let's call it what it really is: a power move to control and manipulate their talent even after they've left. And don't get me started on the whole "brand consistency" excuse. If Nijisanji truly cared about their brand, they would respect the individuality and autonomy of their creators instead of treating them like disposable pawns.

And let's not forget about the privacy concerns! Keeping access to someone's Steam account, which could contain personal information like friends lists and purchase history, without their consent is just plain wrong. It's a gross invasion of privacy and a breach of trust.

And to top it all off, they have the audacity to hide behind contractual agreements? Just because it's in the fine print doesn't make it any less unethical. This is a betrayal of the artists who helped build their platform, plain and simple.

I don't know how anyone could defend this practice. It's a slap in the face to every VTuber who's ever been a part of Nijisanji.

>>75208674
How could they even try to justify this?! It's a blatant violation of trust and privacy! These VTubers pour their hearts into their content, and then when they decide to move on, Nijisanji just snatches away their accounts like it's nothing? This is beyond messed up.

Sure, they might spin it as "business assets," but let's call it what it really is: a power move to control and manipulate their talent even after they've left. And don't get me started on the whole "brand consistency" excuse. If Nijisanji truly cared about their brand, they would respect the individuality and autonomy of their creators instead of treating them like disposable pawns.

And let's not forget about the privacy concerns! Keeping access to someone's Steam account, which could contain personal information like friends lists and purchase history, without their consent is just plain wrong. It's a gross invasion of privacy and a breach of trust.

And to top it all off, they have the audacity to hide behind contractual agreements? Just because it's in the fine print doesn't make it any less unethical. This is a betrayal of the artists who helped build their platform, plain and simple.

I don't know how anyone could defend this practice. It's a slap in the face to every VTuber who's ever been a part of Nijisanji.

>>75266074
it just means that accounts made under company email with the Liver name belong to the company. don't be a retard and just use a different account.

>>75266019
I dont care about niji, the drama destroyed /vt/ and instead of cozy clippers we get low effort dramafaggots seething about everything niji does. I just want to watch cute anime girls do cute things.
Secondly, why the fuck dont they have a business account?
Friends? Purchases? Muh 'personal information'? Nigger, its a business account. Do you use business accounts for personal stuff? I fucking hope not.

>>75266203
>it just means that accounts made under company email with the Liver name belong to the company. don't be a retard and just use a different account.

>>75266291
so, you consider it ai generated? oooh! almost made me blush.

>>75266440
My god you're dumb.

>>75266500
i know i'm retarded. care to explain this one time? i'm too stupid for this stuff.

>>75207802
>When Riku Tazumi can't use his money to bang Ewiwa and NijiSisters

>>75266547
from the top, someone joked and said "Millie, can you explain this one?"
someone posted an AI post as a joke, relating to how she made a fucking ai-generated thank you tweet to her fans last night.
Anons I guess missed that thread and are now replying to obvious AI posts which are still referencing her using AI in a stupid as fuck way.

>>75267034
oh, I see. i didn't know about that.
thank you.

>>75207802
That would explain why Henya changed her email address and passwords. This is some BS but what would the company gain from getting a steam account

>>75271869
What would the company gain from keeping their talents' playbuttons? What would the company gain from sabotaging their talents? What would the company gain from leaking confidential information that incriminates their workplace? What would the company gain from firing a talent after said talent asked to leave?

i dunno man

CAN PEOPLE PLEASE STOP WATCHING MALE VTUBERS

>>75272455
I'll start watching one now just because you bitch and moan.
suggestions on who to pick? no bfe, I'm straight

>>75272699
Oga

>>75272699
banzoin hakka, he has great voice! esp karaoke!

How is this surprising to IronLung? Cover does the same thing with Hololive