/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>75022567
So was this just a group to make collabs easier, or were the talents actually getting paid and managed by them?

>>75022811
nah this was a "real" talent agency, they took percentages from the streamers.

>>75022811
They're basically Mythic Talent but better. Which is saying quite a lot. They don't have much of an actual "identity" as a group but they have occasionally done things together as MSM, and some pretty big indies are wrapped up in it.

>>75022567
Something is extremely weird about this, according to their page they have business agreement with major companies too?
How the fuck their forfeiture didn't come up in these contracts? They usually do background checks.

>>75023110
>They're basically Mythic Talent but better
How? Sounds like they're the exact same other than Mythic being a front for OTK, but given that MSM was also just a front for the jew, it's the same shit.

>>75022567
>Krimbo
Oh, I remember this. Didn't some members of his "Southside" made another group to escape this sexpest?

>>75023205
Mythic is just that nothing. If your name isn't Filian or Shylily then Mythic doesn't care about you.

>>75023498
Unconfirmed but it seems as though MSM rejected Coqui and Meat as members (related to some beef with Sigrid, which may be fabricated by Seth), which prompted them to start 3AM

About Krimbo specifically they are still friends, still all South Side members, and Krimbo was just on Coqui's stream for her birthday last week.

>>75023110
>but better
>company doesn't exist
>scams it's own talent out of sponsorship money

Wow sounds better

>>75026777
Being able to get talents a sponsorship is a good thing and it's more than mythic does, so yes lol. Seth being a possible criminal and retarded doesn't change that.

Talents under MSM

It's nice not knowing any western twitchers or their drama

>>75027262
MSM only got sponsorships for the top. Even Lucypyre, one of their larger members, hasn't gotten a single sponsorship since she joined.

>>75027553
>kwite
whoa

>>75027553
I didn't know noseman was in a group of any kind. How about that.

nypa krimbo

>>75023882
We know the Sigrid beef with Southside is real because of reports of how petty and awful Sigrid is on her discord. Whatever happened between SigBird and CoqMeat, Seth took SigBird's side and blacklisted MSM and Southside instead of telling Sigrid to quit being an entitled zoomer.

>>75022567
Who are any of these people?
Keep eceleb this shit to reddit or /v/

>>75029769
I'm not saying the beef isn't real, but the claimed reasons for that beef apparently involve Seth feeding Sigrid bad information

>>75029769
>We know the Sigrid beef with Southside is real because of reports of how petty and awful Sigrid is on her discord

this isn't the experience i've ever had with sigrid

>>75030617
Sigrid has some major dirt on her that Seth is helping keep under wraps, mainly by blacklisting people that know the truth. Ask who's been blacklisted, and why, and when he doesn't show you proof, ask why you believe it.

>>75027553
....Michael Winslow? What the fuck?

>>75030737
like what? half the stuff that gets said about her is obviously schizo shit. she's just the flavor of the month punching bag

>>75030848
Did you ask for proof yet? You're smarter than this.

>>75031067
all i've ever seen are vague accusations and speculation that sounded generally schizo or dramasister in nature

>>75031146
Then you're painfully new around here.
Your anecdotal "isn't my experience with her" shit proves exactly nothing.

>>75031402
all i asked for was an example

>>75031540
Do your archive reps.

>>75031632
oh no no no

>>75031665
Not going to spoonfeed you. If you really want to know that history then do the legwork.

>>75030476
If this isn't the biggest cope since people letting the Clique off the hook and blaming everything on management in Nijisanji.

krimbo is literally just posting stuff he took from 4chan LOL

>>75030821
They started as an agency for stand-up comedians and podcasts before signing up streamers and eventually vtubers, pretty much all non-vtubers have left

>>75029931
>Who are any of these people?
/wvt/ faggots doing some crab in a bucket and schizoing out.

Welp it's blowing up big now.
https://twitter.com/C0QUI/status/1786505439368060985

>>75027553
>grimmi
>aicandii
LOL should have gone to niji, BITCH!

>>75033021
>israel
The prophecy... All rrats are real...

>>75033021
>claims blacklist
>shows hearsay that doesn't prove that, indeed even disproves it
>"be careful" someone means BLACKLISTED
that text is literally nothing. this is "big?"

What did he mean by this?

>>75033021
>a vtuber with not even 10k followers talking about it
>blowing up big
i mean... okay lol. come back when charlie or asmon talks about it

>>75034249
you're done seth. it's over.

>>/wvt/

>>75034467
you're just mad that seth had free access to your oshi's pussy. cope and sneed, faggot

>>75022567
The worst part of this being true >>75033021 is that the Krimbo faggot is gonna get more clout due to it.

>>75034080
>go from scam to another scam
Do you even have a functioning brain?

>>75034080
May your oshi end up in Nijisanji

>>75034249
Coqui's a pretty big indie. Averaging as a 4view, even if only barely, is big enough to be one of the biggest indies.

>>75035994
i'm the richest person in my house. i'm still poor.

Wow. A bunch of literally who did something.

>>75036169
This would be a valid comparison if you lived in a house with 7.3 million other people

>>75036219
Welcome to the EN Twitch scene

>>75035994
What site is that from?

>>75035994
How many of these views are from sleeping raiders are 3AM?

>>75027553
Jabroni Mike...

>>75035994
Coqui's only someone who's spoken up about it too. The actual list of talents >>75027553 has a lot of much bigger names. Lucy, Vienna, Tobs, and Candii are all over the 1k mark too. Buff, Cotton, Aethel are all over 2k, and Numi + F1NN both pull over 3k. Most of the 3views are also pretty notable on top of that.

>>75036598
https://twitchtracker.com/coqui
That anon didn't use a recent screenshot. Coqui's CCV is at the point where it fluctuates a lot around 1000 so at times it'll be below and above by decent amounts.

>>75036821
Thanks

>>75036821
>>75035994

>>75036757
Streaming is secondary to him but so his numbers there aren't as notable, but Kwite has 2m subs on Youtube where most of his content is. Also forgot about Geega who's in the 2k+ category and is in VShojo.
>>75036821
It's a fresh screenshot. I went by month since week to week can vary wildly but the past 30 days is typically a more stable number.

>>75027553
>Michael Winslow
What the fuck

>>75036994
Michael Winslow is friends with Seth's Dad, a washed-up comedian and possibly the unfunniest man on the planet. You can find his stand-up with some digging. Seth leveraged Michael Winslow for all of the MSM talent, telling them about things like TV shows with their IPs and movie stardom. And before anyone calls me out on this, Sigrid and Bird have both mentioned that MSM was helping them develop an animated series.

All because of Michael Winslow lmao.

>>75036902
>Post YT to a clear Twitch streamer stat
Are you just this bad at trolling or legitimately retarded?

>>75022567
What is this shit? Some random company I've never heard of even once? And he's listing dramafags and other trash like that's a good thing, even a fleshtuber??? IS this an actual indie drama or just some random thing you're posting?
>Krimbo
Fag lol

>>75037231
Worse, a fag that couldn't even make a good model and then hid behind the "ackcyually, it's supposed to be satire".

>>75037119
>Sigrid and Bird have both mentioned that MSM was helping them develop an animated series.
Please tell me this is a joke.
I can believe Bird being gullible but I thought Sigrid was...less so. It would explain Sigrid's obnoxiously cocky "we're gonna be famous" nonsense she's been on about for months.

>>75036994
Apparently the timeline is that they were once a hollywood talent agency, had a talent mass exodus due to mismanagement, lost their license, and then rebranded from their old name to just the initials MSM and targeted internet talents for the cash to pay for ongoing lawsuits from the actors.

>>75037231
>I'm ignorant and don't understand. That means everybody else is STUPID!
Sure okay. Worthwhile post there.

>>75033021
Wait, is this whole drama just the guy advising people, not even outright blocking anyone, to stay away from known dramatubers and twitch faggots? That's it? That just means this drama is just a bunch of the trash seething because they got called out for being useless bucket crabs.

>>75035994
>3.5 Finanas
That's pretty big

>>75037325
Sigrid is a malignant narcissist that's constantly drunk and high, you massage her prostate of an ego enough and she makes Bird look well adjusted and stable

>>75038001
Finanas videos get actual views

The smaller South Siders are weighing in on Twitter now too

>>75027553
I know a total of 3 people from that list:
Lucy Pyre
CottontailVA
Grimmi

No idea who the rest are.

im posting it here too because i dont want to shit up /lig/ too much

>>75038251
it's crazy how it all connects when you hear about the blacklist and sseth's manipulation.

there's an extra color on the 3am logo that is purple that one anon thought might be used to represent tob. tob and meat and coqui haven't collabed in forever.
sigrid and bird joining MSM while in the southside and that building into a huge blacklist against anyone tied to meat and coqui.
i can only imagine the horrible things seth said coqui and meat did to sigrid (which if one of those posts is true is because sigrid was abusing bird and the southside tried to stop it by telling them to split their channel)

im trying to think of all of these other things i noticed and seeing if i can put even more together because its a huge web of lies and deceipt and literally all of it is centered around sigrid and seth

>>75038821
Sounds more like Sigrid is menhera af and Seth is a manipulator who will use any weakness displayed as an opportunity to divide and conquer.

>>75038968
shes menhera but also narcississt. even if she realizes shes being manipulated, she wont admit it or ever apologize, and i think thats going to happen a lot here.

If all this Sigrid stuff is true, then isn't this the absolute worst time for this to come up since she just moved in with Bird? If it's all true then this'll cause a massive flare up that Bird will be subjected to.

>>75038785
How do you know those three and not know the variety of others in that list who those three interact with regularly?

>>75038687
You mean this?

https://twitter.com/RedaOuVT/status/1786527235257856214

He doesn't add any details

check this out found in southside sdiscord
>>75039464

>>75039685
Wow that's Insane, anyone buy sauce recently and can confirm?

>>75027662
That’s because she’s an unmarketable whore

>>75040064
Yeah my unmarketable whore.

>>75038821
I never actually looked at 3AM logo and wow yeah. All the colors clearly represent someone and that purple is pretty much exactly the color of Tobs's sweater. But there's only 4 members and 5 stripes.

>>75041071
This is coming from a group of artists who know how to do visual design. They even have official colors which match up. They're is no way this was an accident.

>>75041071
Krimbo did say there are people in there who are actively against Seth, hopefully one of those is Tob and now's her chance to escape to 3AM.

>>75041372
You say that, but Tob hasn't interacted with the girls in 3AM for a long time
And MSM isn't exclusive, so there should have been nothing stopping her from joining if she were in the process

It's more likely Seth whispered in her ear and convinced her to pull out

>>75039685
he really is a Weinstein

>>75041882
Nta but this would then be an opportunity for her to realize he's a bastard and leave msm and join 3am then?

>>75041882
Tob isn't exactly the most clever of people, it's possible she just doesn't want to cause any trouble and that includes full non-interaction with blacklist members. She's also been absent in general for a good while.

>>75042030
there's a lot of stuff that a lot of us probably don't know. For all we know she could have signed a contract that forbids certain and things and someone's being petty enough to try and make that part of it. That being said, fi all the stuff about this not being a real business is true, then no one's under any inclination to actually do what the contract says and they'll be freed immediately without consequence.

>>75023882
>Unconfirmed but it seems as though MSM rejected Coqui and Meat as members
Wait... But doesn't this mean that msm/Seth has their details and could dox them? Or maybe he's been responsible for some of the doxes of them that have gone around already?

>>75042255
Someone did dox coqui in november in /lig/, anons just reported it and moved on.

>>75042255
Supposedly the blacklisting is a vindictive move that started after they formed 3AM, and extends even to attempting to sabotage their business dealings
Is he petty enough to go around doxxing them? It's not impossible. Would he have their info? That really depends on how far they got into discussions with MSM.

Vtuber blacklists are real

Mythic won

>>75042537
indeed they are.

Can someone explain how MSM relates to glitchless.gg ?

support@glitchless.gg is listed as the contact support link on the saucy.biz hotsauce orders, and this company is also used for Grimmi and Laimu's merch stores, but they don't appear to have a functional website of their own.

>>75042255
>>75042348
>>75042482
i had to look this up, heres the coqui dox video that got uploaded. it happens in october, only a few days before 3am went live on the 10th

>>75042733
You wanna censor that at all?

>>75043203
it's a litter link, they only last a day or so.

>>75043203
NTA but it's a litterbox link. It expires after, at the absolute most, 3 days. Trying to go there now is just a 404

have you guys looked at the privacy policy on the hotsauce website

>>75043338
You mean about how it doesn't exist and is just a copypaste format?

>>75043249
>>75043267

Oh okay, I'm retarded, continue on

>>75043338

>>75043490
How did they get anyone to join them given how unprofessional they are?? I noticed Sigrid's profile still says "coming soon" after years. How can she side with someone doing her so wrong? The hot sauce fits more with Sigrid's branding too. MSM has no idea how to support people, it's in shambles.

>>75043644
They had a good vibe to them and a lot of good PR with the people they signed on. Also the profiles are new. The site only got updated within like the last month or two and the profiles + other things were added then. I don't feel like checking the internet archive but I assume the previous version of the talent page had older profiles up.

this seth guy kinda seems like a bastard, huh?

>>75043942
yeah kinda

>>75043777
Nope, Sigrid's always said coming soon, since she joined

So it's pretty much over for this company right? There is no way things are not gonna get better for 3am now.

>>75044004
It's true that she isn't the only one though, including Numi who did have (joke) details on her talent page in the old site

Seems they're slowly rolling out profiles and demographic info

>>75044004
Sigrid is the victim here, I hope she at least escapes this bastard who isn't treating her right, even if she doesn't go back to being friends with 3am.

>>75042731
They use FourthWall https://fourthwall.com/ for their websites and product fulfillment, but I can't find any connection to glitchless.gg

Is this literally just going to seth?

>>75044330
inb4 Glitchless is his new company because MSM is dead

>>75044493
How many new companies because his previous died is that now?

Let's not forget too that Krimbo has alternative motives too, dumb fuck just dies to have all the clout and attention. He probably came his pants knowing how much attention and engagement he would get posting this shit. Also proving that "the southside" is much toxic too. You gotta know that fuckers hiding something to use this as a deflection. Just a bad situation all the way around shitty people doing shitty things.

Ok wtf is southside, some group?

>>75044982
I hate that krimbo retard, but if coqui or meat suffered from that then I hope things get better for them now.

>>75044982
OK Seth

>>75042482
I followed the SigBird and CoqMeat shit for a while. It looked like something happened around the time of the first Offkai Coqui, Meat, Oli, Tobs, etc. went to and met up at.. There was rrats going around at the time that CoqMeat learned of a rift with Sigrid and not long after that Sigrid and Bird lost their "Friends of Southside" roles but were still in the server, Bird still talked with Coqui and Meat in stream chats, Coqui and Meat said they tried to collab with SigBird but were hit with "we're busy atm, sorry" replies. Then Bird stopped showing up in any Southside streams and things went quiet except for rrats about a blacklist and noticing how everyone that joined MSM cut off collabs and most contact with Southside/3AM. It wasn't until Coqui played the Sigrid Pokemon game and shortly after that people in /lig/ posted Sigrid and Bird quietly getting banned off Coqui and Meat's twitches and disappearing from the discords and word at the time was Coqui tried to reach out and make amends with the Sigrid Pokemon game stream but got it thrown back in her face. Then Krimbo made the vaguepost on twitter about "small businesses" getting blacklisted by "walmarts". Now with this new information about MSM being a sham, Krimbo's tweets, and Coqui confirming there's a blacklist and bringing behind the scenes drama to the forefront it's all blowing up now and the rrats were proven right and Krimbo might have been spreading them

>>75045092
A Twitch team/shared Discord group

>>75044982
seth pay denbts

>>75044982
Seth I have some burgers for you to flip so you can pay off your debts

>>75044493
no its not new, and whats weird is limealicious uses them too but isn't part of MSM https://laimu.store/

there's nothing online about them the only results are for grimmi and laimu and I can't find any instance of these two ever interacting.

There is a company registered in colorado with that name, but I don't know if its the right one as it seems a bit too old (2016) and the residential address listed is actually completely blurred out on google street view

>>75045124
So you're Krimbo then?

who actually fucking cares about this? it's the same fag reposting this shit daily

>>75045409
They're are lots of order fulfillment and virtual brand stuff out there. Probably just one of those.

>>75045502
I think companies being proven as malicious is a good thing anon

>>75045502
This broke today you lying sack of shit.

>>75045409
wrong glitchless, start with the whois and- PERFECT PRESENCE LLC IS SETH'S COMPANY THAT WAS SUED AND HE PUSHED THE LEGAL FEES ON HIS GRANDMA OHNONONONONONO

>>75045319
If only I had a living grandma and if she could take my debts, then I could be Seth, but seeing I can't re-animate her......

>>75045644
Glitchless is ALSO seth? What the fuck? How many companies does this fucker have

>>75045644
Hoy fuck

>>75045644
Kek of all keks

>75045448
bet 90% of the post here is the krimbo guy

>>75045644
what the fuck

okay but how does that explain laimu???? she isn't part of MSM

>>75045644
Holy shit wtf

>>75045092
>Southside=A friend group of small vtubers founded by RummyTheBoss and Coqui
>3AM=A micro-corpo founded by Southside members Coqui, CallieCalico, MeatsCave, and indie Olivia Monroe and managed by someone named "Mr.XLR" who has never made an appearance or spoken. Some people think it might just be Olivia or Coqui
>MSM=Mad Science Media, a talent agency that, oddly enough, manages actor Michael Winslow of Space Balls and Police Academy fame. Nearly everyone else they manage is a streamer or vtuber. Seth Weinstein is the owner.

>>75044982
>alternative motives
They're not sending their best

>>75045644
How

>>75045644
What are the chances he'll just shutter MSM, disappear and then about a year later pop up under another alias and new company? Seems to be his thing.

>>75022567
Vtubers?

>>75042482
>Is he petty enough to go around doxxing them?
I would say yes, but just as possible he keeps feeding sigrid and tob bullshit to keep them mad and since they're menhera they did the dox

>>75045883
He's probably jerking it to this screen and twitter right now. Since ya know he isn't getting his engagement fix on his streams.

>>75044982
Krimbo getting his fat ass involved made me pro-MSM, anyone who knows Krimbo will tell you that man is a grade-A retard

>>75046570
>>75046421
seth pay denbts

>>75046647
stop fucking your sister, your gene pool isn't going to survive at this rate

>>75045990
>manages actor Michael Winslow of Space Balls and Police Academy fame
What this sounds like lies

>>75046234
Literally everyone involved in this except for Seth and Michael Winslow is a vtuber lol.

>>75046798
fuck you my sister is my woman

>>75046881
>>75027553
4th column, 8th row

>>75046881
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY_qGVa93Bg

>>75046798
seth pls pay denbts

>>75046894
F1nn5ter too isn't a vtuber, but is true that almost everyone else inside MSM is.

>>75027553
>under
It looks like they just put anyone they had as little as an email correspondence or twitter dms with to pad their portfolio in an attempt to make themselves look like a serious company.

>>75047414
Look, If I was Seth, I would be trying to sell you coffee beans that I made my dog eat and shit out and call it gourmet blend right now, but unfortunately he's constipated right now.

>>75048061
no you wouldn't all the stuff he sells is drop-shipped

>>75047426
anything that makes my penis hard is a vtuber. and also not gay.

>>75045644
What website is this?

>>75046881
Seth's dad is a failed stand-up comic who met Winslow and referred him to Seth

So MSM blacklisted 3am because of Sigrid's menhera (allegedly influenced by Seth?). What does Seth gain from this?

>>75050744
he gave sirgird the illusion he has her back and gained a hype man that will sing his praises

>>75050356
It's called a whois, there's a million websites that will all show that information. Good luck getting that information removed.

>>75050744
Seth is a manipulator so preying on people's vulnerabilities help him control his grooming targets. Plus he rejected CoqMeat and they turned out to be massive successes on his own so he is bitter about it, and he also wants to kill the competition.

>>75045990
I can't say who XLR is, but he is an irrelevant streamer. There's a lack of understanding from Krimbo about why his group was blacklisted

>>75027553
The only good one here is Lucy.

>>75051297
pay debnts seth

>>75051071
I know, I'm asking because the first few I tried weren't working properly, and then the one I did get working wasn't receptive to archival websites. I ended up recording a video to show that the web page wasn't altered, but a link to an archival site would be much easier to show people. Uncovering this information is only half the battle, you have to organize and summarize the information in a way that's simple and easy to understand for people who haven't been keeping up with each development, or for people in the future you have to explain this whole event to

>>75051297
>but he is an irrelevant streamer.
So it is r*da then?

>>75038143
That's a fucking cope.

I mean the rumor I heard was that Meat was trying to break Sigrid and Bird up, but the only thing she broke up was Coqui's friendship with them and probably snowballed this angle of the situation allegedly.

>>75040064
You shut your fucking mouth.
My sweetheart Lucy is a lovely wonderful whore and my very very very real girlfriend.

>>75051429
Oh sure bro, Domain Tools actually archives whois records. This should have historical information so even if Seth changes it, it'll still be there.
https://whois.domaintools.com/glitchless.gg

>>75051429
>you have to organize and summarize the information in a way that's simple and easy to understand for people who haven't been keeping up with each development, or for people in the future you have to explain this whole event to
So many stuff gets passed over because unless shit's properly archived and documented, time is their best ally, as sites disappear, stuff gets forgotten, and scumbags can reappear.

>>75052135
That's the site I used. The captcha it makes you do fucks up the archival sites, but if it already keeps a public detailed history of the domain then that's great

>>75052361
Exactly. You see people on this board every day complaining about shit that happened months or even years ago, but they can't actually produce any evidence because they didn't bother to record anything. In the end they're no different from any other schizo, even if what they're saying is entirely true

>>75051685
the rumor i heard wasn't that they were trying to break sigrid and bird up, that they got approached by bird about splitting the channel and sigrid took it like they were trying to break them up and became a fucking basket case

>>75052588
You unfortunately have to sign up for the service, but yes, here's a link to the historical record service: https://research.domaintools.com/research/whois-history/

>>75052718
>$99 a month to sign up
That's going to be a deal breaker for sharing the information around, but I do have a screenshot and video recording of it, that should be enough

Krimbo rapes Coqui every night

>>75053412
You say that like she doesn't like it

>>75051297
just spill the beans

Second hand information here since I’m a small 2veiw but the reason I heard Sigurd initially got pissed off was because she wasn’t invited to the coqui charity stream that had ironmouse.

That’s it.

That’s why the manager went off and started black listing coqui and meat. To the point where vshojo won’t touch them now either.

>>75053851
I believe this as far as I can throw Krimbo

>>75052945
Sorry about that, took a bit to find a free service. This should suffice: https://whois-history.whoisxmlapi.com/lookup-report/3nkl89BbkK

>>75053851
You know Geega is a part of both Vshojo and MSM right?

>>75054139
and geega hasn't collabed with them in months

>>75054007
Yeah that works great, thanks for the help
https://archive DOT ph/uIH4R
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/jn7p8

>>75053851
Why would vshojo listen to MSM?

>>75034080
No one's going to "Darker than Black"-sanji ever again.

>>75051353
Correct!

>>75054658
They wouldn't listen to msm, they'd listen to geega who is friends with the COO of MSM Endra

>>75051685
>>75052626
Based on what >>74877988 says, Bird approached South Side members to help her decide what to do about the problems she was having with Sigrid, to which they suggested for the duo channel to be split up. Bird didn't want to and after that SigBird distanced themselves from South Side, then Seth took the opportunity to feed Sigrid ideas about the group wanting to isolate Bird from everyone but themselves and it snowballed from there.

>>75055045
So despite everything going well and Mousie loving and collabing with Coqui multiple times they just suddenly ghosted them because Seth told Geega 3am sus and Geega told Vshojo that Seth said that 3am sus and they ran with that? ???

Is there ANY company that is run professionally and actually takes actions based off facts and data?

>>75055232
it's an industry full of women so no

>>75055232
highly doubt it. mouse didn't collab a ton with meat and coqui the first place so it's not like there's a sudden downturn. geega also isn't a person to spread rumours of things without hard proof

>>75055232
I've seen Moriko, Grape, and Mint in Coqui's chat recently. Maybe Geega talked a bit too much shit and it started to roll back onto her to where it was no longer believable.

>>75055646
Geega also says she's an expert of reading people and always researches contracts for days before signing them. Yet here we are.

>>75055867
Females say a lot of things

>>75055710
Lol Grape collabs with Grimmi all the time and they're both MSM

>>75055646
>>75055867
In conclusion: What one wishes to believe and reality itself are two different things.

>>75056013
Seth isn't going to know about every chat his talents visit. He's too distracted doing his Roger voice in Grimmi's stream.

>>75055867
The contract could have entirely passed board though. It was business licenses and stuff that were the issue.

>>75022567
I knew it was all Sigrid's fault

>>75056361
>One menhera and one dumbass trying to get in her pants caused all this
Classic tale

>>75053851
looked into this claim
the event in question appears to be acharity stream that mouse had and coqui meat and connor were on it
>>/vt/thread/40865976#p40874360

and then a few months later they leave the southside
>>/vt/thread/48269283#p48271746

i believe this anon, and then geega is a fucking idiot who decided to work with a snake who whispered shit in her ear and then vshojo got told to do this and then we're here

>>75055867
geega says a lot of things and if you are regular you will note she has some really shitty take for a "smart person".

>>75056650
Being smart doesn't prevent you from having dumb moments.

>>75056802
yeap, she probably read the contract and it was okay. Don't know why people here wants everyone that signed the contract to do a background check. Sure, we joke about her being ex-CIA but it's just a joke...ha ha ha

I don't give a fuck about any of this tw*tch kindergarten drama. I just want Michael Winslow to become a vtuber.

>>75045644
Brazilian here.

As someone familiar with schemes, hustling and all around petty rackets, this guy is 100% pulling schemes. Nobody has these many similar yet different companies with so many lawsuits and so many different changes in company names without doing something shady and probably illegal.

>>75057573
he is not even using some "laranja". Baby 171

>>75057378
>https://twitter.com/Noizey_Man/status/1469205714912653312/video/1
Ask you shall receive.

>>75056632
coqmeat had an open invitation to mouse's subathon voice chat in june and were a massive help keeping chat entertained during her sleep and med afks, I just don't buy that she'd turn on them based on nothing. she talks highly of people like cellbit who have far more substansial allegations against them

>>75022567

>>75022567
vtuber?

>>75057910
Have you seen her interact with them at all since then? Mouse's content is 80% collabs. Think about what you wrote.

So all I'm gathering from this is:
Sigrid is menhera
Coqui listens to Meat too much
Meat is probably the same amount of menhera as Sigrid
Krimbo just wants clout
Seth needs to pay his taxes
Grimmi needs to sell hot sauce
Geega is an airhead
Lucy is great
and
nobody has a problem with Bird.
(add more if you want to confuse me more)
EN Vtubers confuse me.....

>>75058269
I have many problems with bird, but it's only about the metric ton of rat shit in her kitchen.

>>75058150
mouse streams are all over the place. She was streaming early in the morning and now she switched for late at night. It's really hard to collab with her unless you REALLY want it and we know 95% of vtubers are an anxiety pile.

>>75058150
she hasn't collabed with nyan since then either and they don't have beef considering aethel is friendly with mouse, snuffy also went for a very long period without interacting with mouse until a few months ago but they still consider each other friends and snuffy is close with 3am. it's not that deep

>>75058150
Most mostly collabs with Vshojo members, flesh streamers, and IVICHIBAN anymore

>>75058269
You're forgetting that all the 2view south siders are being held down

English VTubers were a mistake.

So Sigrid moved on from shitting on smaller chuubas and struck petty meangirl paydirt with Seth.
Surprised it took this long.

listen I'm going to be real with you all. I barely know who any of these people are and i mostly watch corpos, but i'm a natural born hater and the pure fucking spite from all parties involved in this fuels me

>>75027553
>Geega
I thought she was Vshojo's dumpster fire?

>>75058969
If you need a picture for your dartboard, Krimbo would make a great decoration.

>>75058150
Mouse is just kind of hard to get into collabs if someone else isn't setting it up for her. Her closest contacts these days are Connor, the rest of VShojo, and VChiban.VChiban is also MSM, but they seem completely separate from the rest of this since no one has brought them up once during the SigBird / Southside deal so I wouldn't consider that her showing MSM any sort of favoritism or anything. She's just kind of an idiot at maintaining stream relationships without help from the other person.

>>75059211
You're not subtle, Seth

>>75027553
I'm this guy >>75057573
Are you sure most of the people in this image actually work with this company? Because usually counting people who don't work with you as working for you is part of these schemes.

>>75057846
He acts as if he has very good lawyers or hasn't been punished for anything he's pulled or the place he lives in is very lenient with these misdemeanors.

>>75059266
>>75059211
That's the good shit guys keep it coming

>>75058808
Remember when Seth first became Sigrid and Bird's manager and he told them to kick out all thier streamer friends from their shared server? That was a pretty defining moment of thier characters for me.

>>75059266
If I was Seth, your mom would have introduced me as your stepdad. And then, I would pass my debt to you :)

>>75059419
Wait that was Seth!?

>>75059419
They hired Cake to be their manager and they consolidated the friends channels. Your info is bad here.
(more likely you intentionally got shit wrong so you could be spoonfed what actually happened)

>>75059419
Calm down Meat, don't go creating a corpo out of spite.... oh, wait.

>>75059858
meat's streamin right now so not her

>>75059904
really not catching my point, not bright huh?

>>75027553
>more than half set to ignore already
thanks for the list bud

>>75060051
sir I'm an internet autist i take everything literally

Looks like Geega's made a statement. Things are really heating up. https://twitter.com/GeneralGEEGA/status/1786594470256898456

>>75027553
wasnt geega at vshojo?

>>75060221
i keep forgetting she's in vshojo....or that she exists

>>75060246
She's in both.

>>75060246
and? Vshojo allows it. Mouse and Zen have contracts with UTA

>>75060345
Shes kind of just "big" through connections and has no personality outside of orbiting big or corpo vtubers.

>>75060451

>>75059858
seth pay denbts

>>75060766
If I was Seth, I'd fuck your cat while I stared at you with uninterrupted eye contact. Then, I'd transfer my debt to you. :)

>>75060345
it used to be more obvious but since she became addicted gtarp she's drifted away and has even dodged some org collabs she said she'd be in. I like her but it's disappointing

>>75059595
>>75061179
Either a new schizo was born or Seth thinks he's being very clever

>>75061179
seth pls pay denbts

>>75055112
I mean it's reasonable advice. Why shackle yourself to a menhera when you can split into another channel just incase sigrid goes crazy? Then she actually did go insane because of it proving southside right.

>>75027553
why are half of them making that face?

>>75062062
Let me catch breathe after your mom gets off and I gladly pay. She pays pretty good btw.

>>75059767
Regardless of who their manager was at the time, it never sat right with me.

>>75060345
i kinda tried watching her but first she would always be at the middle of some rant or preaching some nonsense about networking when i tuned in her streams, then she'd ditch her planned stuff to play fucking apex with zen

>>75062515
not good enough I guess since your grandma had to pay your court fees

>>75063007
My Grandma has to be alive to pay my court fees so, I'm not your Seth sowee :(

>>75060345
The zatsus are comfy and if she plays a game I like I'll put it on

>>75022567
>had to contact grimmi and seth before getting my daki
>still haven't gotten my hot sauce in months
where's my hot sauce seth?

>>75022567
It's hilarious knowing Krimbo the cuck-tard he is having Seth living rent free in his head. I'm not giving Seth a pass for being scummy. But I'll give him a tip of my hat for making Captain Clout-Chaser a hissy fit.

>>75064328
Get a lawyer? There's probably so many you could get a class action together. See if you can find others that got fucked

>>75062515
Did you just try to make a comeback by implying that you're a prostitute

>>75064652
Inflation isn't making things cheaper, bruh. Ya gotta do, what ya gotta.

>>75062515
pay denbts seth

>>75059035
She's in both, as Vshojo isn't exclusive, and MSM isn't the sort of wannabe idol agency that has real control over its talents. Which is also why, for most of these talents, MSM going under wouldn't affect anything. Except maybe hot sauce gal.

>>75065304
Hot sauce gal is in deep shit potentially

>>75041071
tob used to be absolute best friends with coqui and meat. coqmeatTob was a thing on /lig/ for a while, and their collabs were delightful.
I wonder if there's too much bad blood now due to Seth's Rasputin-like villainy for them to ever be friends again. I miss Tob.

>>75065499
FREE TOB

>>75065211
Meet me outside of the IRS office and we'll pay our debts together. I'll take you for ice cream afterwards ;)

>>75065499
I'm pretty sure Coqui and Meat would be happy to take Tob back but when you're being manipulated by someone and they've managed to gain your trust it's really hard to escape that

>>75065499
Tob is so easy to dupe I doubt, even if Seth told her right to her face that he lied and manipulated her, she would ever forgive Coqui and Meat for whatever perceived slight. She's bipolar, she's on a lot of drugs, and she's susceptible to manipulation. People like that don't feel remorse, they lash out at anyone who gets close.

t. had a family with a history of addiction and Tob behaves a lot like an addict. I remember very similar scenarios.

>>75065831
Tob is so easy to dupe she let coqui and meat leech off of her for the longest time

All the anons posting about Coqui using Tob as a stepping stone and it turns out that it was just Seth stopping them from collabing and Coqui would've kept going with Tob the whole time if not for Seth.

>>75065947
Guys is it leeching when you enjoy spending time with your friends? Pay your taxes, Seth.

>>75053607
NTA, Krimbo & Southside are blacklisted because the brand is associated with Krimbo's constant retarded drama, this is the real reason for the 3am split. They weren't ditching dead weight, they were ditching someone harming them.

>>75066038
So why dont they collab anymore if they are such good friends

>>75027553
>>75033021

So that explains why Coqui and Meat havent appeared on Vinny's, Laimu's or Mike's streams all that much lately...

they can all die together. seth for being a jew and krimbo for being a virtue signaling pedo supporter seething over harry potter

>>75066071
Coqui and Meat and exploding despite being the closest chuubas to Krimbo, but nice rrat

I dont like this antisemitic talk against my boy seth "weinstein". Cant wait for congress to pass a bill that will stop antisemitic speeches.

>>75058269
bird and sigrid both beat the shit out of each other but sigrid is bigger and stronger so she should be more ashamed of herself

>>75066176
Grimmi...

>>75066104
Because part of Seth's MO is driving friend groups apart so that he looks like a savior while the actual friends are trying to reach out and help them. I'll bet money Seth told her that Coqui and Meat did something awful to her and that's why the collabs suddenly stopped.

>>75066244
Yes blame the big bad evil man

>>75066278
Don't you have a court to attend seth?

>>75066278
Have you seen the shit coming out? Yes, I'm going to blame him. Pay your taxes, idiot.

>>75066229
Proof?

>>75066422
well, they were on stream hitting each other and sigrid said "ow stop hitting me" but bird didn't stop hitting her and it didnt sound like they were joking, but nor did it sound like a "big deal". this leads me to believe they regularly beat the shit out of each other all the time.

>>75066157
Whatever you need to tell yourself, Krimbo. You were left behind for being cancer. That is the truth.

>>75066578
"HIT ME HARDER SIGWID, AND PUT SOME STANK ON IT"

>>75066636
Yeah they only stay in the south side discord because if they left it, it would mostly be a ghost town.

>>75066578
>>75066657
Rrat: They're in a BDSM relationship.

>>75066989
but doesn't BDSM have all kinds of rules and rituals around it? this just sounded like two angry rednecks (which they are not, but it had the same vibe) just getting angry and whaling on each other

>>75043942
Hey, cool it with the antisemitism

>>75067097
I wrote it as a joke. Clearly they don't get off to that, yet one could think that they might as well enjoy abuse (just like people who like BDSM) given how they haven't distanced from each other despite all the emotional damage their friendship seems to put them through.

>>75066071
No about who Mr. XLR is

>>75067894
oops

>>75023117
is called corruption, when you own the ones in change to talk about this stuff you can hide everything.

>>75053607
Going off of this >>75066071
He doesn't know shit

>>75068183
This is possibly why Seth made all these other fictional companies in the first place. That way, MSM can avoid suspicion a little bit better.

>>75068784 (me)
And it wouldn't surprise me if the major companies which MSM claims to have made deals with, didn't bother to do a more profound research of Seth and his companies' background because of how much of a time waster they would consider it to be.

>Seth makes a Black List that consist mainly of South Side members
>This is why South Side hasn't had any new members since Chichi Ai, Bodega Rat and IcyNudePeople
>Sigrid gets told to cut all ties with South Side
>Bird tried to keep some semblence of professional respect and friendship, but didn't want to risk Sigrid's success
>Tobs, despite being super close to south side, cut all ties with Coqui and Meat when she joined MSM
>Coqui and Meat and CallieCalico get invited to join a corpo 3AM, with OliviaMonroe
>Coqui is now also a voice actress
>3AM girls have the most merch available out of most indie vtubers
>collab with big names like Vinesauce, VShojo and others
>People they watch on Youtube are now talking to them via email: JoeisHungry, Carpetbagger, DanHaussen, Andy Merill

Meanwhile, Jabroni Mike? After he joined MSM?
>Collabs with Coqui and Meat for Limes' outfit debut and birthday
>Invited them to his charity event
>Fred wants to bring Meat and Coqui onto Mike's stream to rabbit hole the E.T. BarB Q, The TikTok Tunnel Woman, the Smurf Forums, Jeremy Fragrence and others

>>75069511
BASED MIKE.
Seriously though that's kind of why these stories are all over the place. If you look at it in a small bubble it adds up, but if you try to look at it in a wider context things start looking strange. So I have no idea what's true but I also have no reason to think Coqui or Krimbo are lying.

>>75069705
It really solidifies the claims cause when Tobs went to Twitch Con, she was with South Side, but as soon as she joined MSM, she cut all ties and stopped streaming with Coqui and Meat.

>>75069511
>>This is why South Side hasn't had any new members since Chichi Ai, Bodega Rat and IcyNudePeople
South side is just a group of friends and they've said on stream multiple times that members aren't being added solely because there are too many people already. I don't think it has anything to do with the blacklist.

>>75070030
They said they had too many members when Dance and Nelson and Colt joined too, then they added the prior three.

>>75069705
All of the little pieces only fit together if you think of Seth as an awful scammer who blacklists people and then threatens his own talent with blacklisting if they ever go against him. I bet a good chunk of MSM wants to leave but is too scared of being blacklisted from potential big names like Vchiban and Vshojo that they won't speak up.

i hate tob
she should DIE

>>75070180
So they were full and now they're bloated, that still fits the stated reasons.

>>75070205
Ironically, 3AM has had more collabs with VShojo members then anyone from MSM recently.

>>75070212
Fuck off Seth.

Tob, us south side viewers will accept you.

>Seth deems South Side, 3AM, Girls, and a few other groups as 'BRAND RISKS' and black lists them
>Hires Jabroni 'CUM' Mike
>Mike then proceeds to read the black list, shit on it, laugh like a crack head and invites several of the black listed members to help him in a charity event

>>75069511
>This is why South Side hasn't had any new members since Chichi Ai, Bodega Rat and IcyNudePeople
Stopped reading here. You clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Southside "membership" isn't at all what you think it is.

>>75069705
It fits just fine if you look at it as a manipulator trying to drive a wedge between friends for personal gain.

If he was feeding the same story to everyone in MSM there's risk people could talk and get suspicious, seth just has to manipulate the right people at the right time to achieve his goals.

>>75022567
Huh... This is weird. Why is LM not covering this topic? This is juicy enough but no one seems to be biting it?

>>75022811
The concept behind most talent agencies is that the agency itself has connections and they give you a 'manager' that's basically a secretary to handle the bulk of the business correspondence. They're not paid to be tard handlers as their primary job but that can end up happening.

Vtubing agencies broke away from that mold and had the agencies be at the forefront dominating the IP. Because of this the 'managers' are paid primarily to be tard handlers to protect the brand image and the talent is left to fend for themselves in business matters.

>>75070992
It's because people try to imitate the JP idol model rather than the actor's agent model

>>75070733
Yeah it's a group of friends that adds people they become friends with. And they haven't added any new friends since this black list was put in place. Keep sucking Seth's cock, I'm sure you'll get into MSM.

>>75070954
There's not enough info to work with yet. Coqui's tweets alone are compelling but unless someone else can corroborate the claims it's just not enough. Krimbo's screenshots are too sterilized, to the point of being meaningless.

>>75071105
I already had you figured for a retard but thanks for confirming you're an uninformed retard.

>>75071105
It's literally just a gang, people you're close to and trust and who have each others back and put on the colors are in.

>>75070954
>LM
Who?

>>75071194
Pay your taxes, Seth.

>>75071302
Why would Seth point out the blatantly malicious misinformation about the southside being presented here? You have no idea what you're arguing about you fucking tourist.

>>75071440
>no argument
I accept your concession.

>>75071440
seth pay tax

the only person I trust in this while fiasco is reda

>>75058571
She said her meds dictacte her streaming hours and that's why she streams at very strange hours sometimes.

>>75071528
why are you like this card man

>>75069511
The first point is the only correct one.

>>75071528
Thank you, no one appreciates my concession stand.

>>75072004
You sure? Cause Coqui's the dub voice of Ten in the dub of Urusei Yatsura's reboot.

>>75071274
Legal Mindset. How new are you?

>>75072179
Then let me ammend my statement. Everything beyond the first point is either wrong or irrelevant to all of this.

>>75072017
you got an llc for that concession stand?

>>75072265
Sounds like you wanna be on MSM's payroll. ;)

>>75072481
NTA but I want Grimmi to jerk me off with her feet

>>75071128
What there is to work with, are various screenshots confirming that MSM Talent and associated companies under Seth's name being illegitimate, his law infractions and court dates records, and evidence of him making his grandmother pay his big fat debt. So it isn't like there's a lack of confirmed information to make a video talking about Seth's doubtful business ventures right now; the only excuses I can think of is that the situation is still developing and it may be considered too early to talk about it, or more probably LM and other commentators aren't even aware of all the proof known because it still hasn't broken containment hard enough.

>>75072614
And I wanna bury my cock in Mint Castella's ass.

>>75071660
Nice troll good job

>>75073052
krimbos original tweet has 60k views and 436 likes in 13 hours, and none of coquis tweets are doing numbers either, for better or worse this shits going nowhere fast