/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>74955461
Starting to doubt vshojo is actually that great given the same people talking it up, were a year ago talking about how much they loved their Nijisanji family. How can you trust these people? Niji is no doubt bad, but I kind of doubt vshojo is actually that great. People that have left vshojo haven't exactly painted the prettiest picture behind the scenes.

>>74955639
Pretty sure she was making disgruntled comments about Niji a year ago

I imagine the chuubas who left Wactor are also feeling pretty good about it.

>>74955461
The same shit Kuro and Matara said, sounds like forced PR shit if you ask me

>>74955639
At least these aren't one liners, so that must be worth something

>>74955639
Even if we ignore the fact that the people who've left Vshojo are a menhera pastel girl, a girl who lost to the cock, a backstabbing whore and Miguel whose all of those combined, it's pretty much impossible to be worse than Niji without doing Wactor-stuff. So far I haven't seen anyone get doxxed by Vshojo so they're safe.

>>74955461
>Why do hostages always feel happier after leaving their captors?
I don't know. It's a mystery.

>>74955639
but when did Mika ever say something good about Nijisanji? remeber she was from NijiID

>>74955639
Nyanners and vei left to become housewives and silver and nazuna are ultra rare cursed item that cant even maintain a friendship with the most desperate 2view dramaleeches.

>>74955461
You are wondering why people who left an environment they didn't enjoy are happier when they joined an environment more in line with what they want out of their career?
Gee, I wonder why. Might be a mystery forever.

>>74955639
>a year ago talking about how much they loved their Nijisanji family
Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

>>74955639
>mika
>saying anything about nijifamily
You mean when she met Oliver Mysta and Nina, her debut mates, and NOBODY ELSE?

ID's openly hated Nijisanji since the merge and privately probably beforehand too. You're a fucking idiot.

>>74955639
Did you really believe the nijifamily bs?

>numbers going down ? time to talk crap about my former corpo that made me famous in the first place so i can get the drama boost from the antis, hehe.
how low do you have to be to keep doing this to the hands that feed you your current popularity ? im disappointed in you mika, kys.

>>74956123
>nijisanji
>handing any ID any popularity

>>74956123
I can't wait until your oshi leaves nijisanji and you are forced to turn on them like this kek

>>74956123
I'd feel pretty mad if my company fucked over my taxes.

>>74955461
This shit is making me throw stinkeyes at VShojo. It's pretty on the nose that they're Farming the Nijidrama and I really don't want VShojo to become a dramahouse.

>>74955461
>why do grifters lie?

>>74955461
You know why.

>>74955639
The bar was so so low after leaving Niji, that the bare minimum that Vshojo probably does for the talents is blowing their traumatised expectations. You Don't hear about non-Ex-Niji talents gushing about how Vshojo is ran.

>>74955461
must feel really weird and bad to have every single one of your coworkers who leaves become instantly 10x happier
Imagine the self doubt

>>74955699
She had it worse than anyone in EN. By all accounts as soon as NijiID was folded into the main branch all support was basically cut off and they were left with all the downsides of being in a company with none of the upsides. She was VERY open about things she didn't like about Nijisanji during her final months.

>>74955819
Good point. Guess whenever I see people saying almost identical things like this it sets off a redflag. Maybe Vshojo is nice and great, but Silver, Vei and Nyan didn't seem to think so.

>>74956123
How many ccv did she have in her previous org?

>>74956228
hana macchia was pretty popular, before she started taking huge breaks that destroys her viewership. shes still doing ok right now, last stream has 2.7k vod views. could be worse.

>>74956822
if you ask people why they leave an agency,they are going to give you the reason, people have different priorities. ask the remaining members why they stay for the full picture.

>>74956905
i forgot her ccv, but her average vod views after 1-2 days is 15k-25k. highest from the id branch, mainly thanks to her leeching from niji en members and leaving her branch mates to the crows.

>>74956972
>hana macchia was pretty popular
She was about as popular as pikamee, with a corporation behind her that did less to nurture that popularity than VOMS, which is a 'corp' whose sole employee is its CEO, artist, modeler, designer, merch provider, manager, and song editor.

>>74956676
which one of these is mika?

I think the victim card won't work for any of the current livers if they leave Niji though. The Niji stain is too much at this point and everyone outside will be viewing them with scepticism if they do the same thing. It worked for Sayu and Doki for obvious reasons, Michi's and Mint's experiences with Niji are believable, Matara and Kuro are not as badly harmed but still get the benefit of the doubt, and everyone is laughing at Quinn's attempt at playing the victim. Future Niji graduates are probably going to get the Quinn treatment.

>>74956676
>I will die for Nijisanji
I mean, technically... god I hope Kanae bumps into her again sometime soon.

>>74955829
The Vei housewife arc is so funny, honestly. What's Silver been up to, though?

>>74957513
she's just doing her own thing. she recently got a gamersupps sponsor.

>>74956760
That's why after the branch folded there were mass graduations of NijiID talents. Mika's graduation wasn't even announced alone, she was one of like 3 or 4 people in the same announcement.
>>74957255
She still liked and hung out with other ID's. This week she's even collabing with someone from the ID branch she was very fucking close to who graduated before her.

>>74957305
The topic is going to be a debuff in the future anyway, people are already starting to get tired of the perpetual whining about Nijisanji. True or not, harping on about Niji Bad is just not going to be a topic people want to tune in for.

>>74956905
Mika did better than Vox is doing now and she did so with dickall from Nijisanji after they closed ID so yeah... It's pretty bad for Vox so the sisters are having a constant breakdown.

>>74957673
>people are already starting to get tired of the perpetual whining about Nijisanji.
Well yeah, if those people are fans.

>>74955639
The key difference is that the "nijisanji family" is the other vtubers. You don't see them talking about how awesome their managers are. In Vshojo the talents talk about how they like all the behind the scenes staff.

>>74957607
The one that helps with your digestive track, right?

>>74957673
>Sisters too busy watching competitors to mald over then shitpost on 4chan for 20 hours out of the day instead of actually supporting Nijisanji and being happy
>Wont even meet Finana to fuel her revival
>Nijisanji in freefall
Gigabased

>>74956822
>but Silver,
The self-centered numberfag that was jealous that she was not as popular as the other members and took everything as a personal insult?
>Vei
The one that has no long term plans or objectives that would be helped by having competent management and only wants to show up to stream (if she remembers), play a game, call people retards, and get a fat paycheck at the end?
>and Nyan
The one that has so many brainworms that she actively tried to decrease her number of viewers and thought that she was so hated that she was harming the other members and the company just by being there?

>>74957673
Yeah, nijifaggots maybe

>>74957631
amicia wanted to stay but has health issues and has to take care of her family, she loved being in nijisanji. not all ids are ungrateful fucks like mika.
>>74957681
>vox vox vox, why wont he dieeee.
mindbroken by milord, whose oshi did he mogs now ? your gfe slops from holokek id or phasegirls ?

>>74955904
There's an even easier answer.
If she said anything else she'd get fined, as per the contract.

>>74955461
HoloEN deflection thread

>>74957992
He's already dead. Maybe you should have watched him instead of crying on 4chan.

>>74957992
>esl
>thinking vox mogs anybody in april/may 2024.

>>74957305
The only ones that are really fucked are Elira, Vox, Luca, Sonny, Aster and bullytheria. Aia made her own bed to lie in from the start. Finana willfully submitted to being groomed then destroyed her career despite Mane-san holding her back and everyone else telling her to fucking stop.
Scarle will do fine. Maria will do fine once she gets real help and a real idol unit to push. Flip a coin on Rosemi she should be fine but who the hell knows if something actually happened.

>>74956676
she tried

>>74955461
I am also happy when I do my taxes properly and submit on time.

>>74958228
Uki "I fucking hate white people" Violeta is also fucked

>>74955461
People are much happier after escaping from a black company, go figure.

>>74958103
dead vtuber with drama debuff dont just bring out 39k vod views and mogged holoid's latest stream and phaseconnect girls. hes only dead in your schizo mind.
>>74958208
he is on par with the mid vspo girls and regloss's kanade, mogged all phasegirls and drawn with pippa, mogged all v4mirai talents, mogged all aviel's idol talents, mogged majority of holoid, mogged stars en and stars jp. mogged vanta and only real rivals in niji en is his luxiem boys, not too shabby eh ?

>>74958396
>Regular indo perk of the company actually doing your taxes
>Niji says they'll do it
>Doesn't

>>74955639
Sounds like paid shilling. Same shit as when Kson 1st joined, even Silvervale used to say the same shit when they were in their “Talent freedom” phase

this is the one who is friends with enna right

>>74958771
Yes
>inb4 pretending Enna is a bad person or friends with bad people

>>74958771
No, you well-shook baboon

>>74958690
Speaking of Milord and getting mogged. Didn't he get mogged by Finana last time he streamed? By like 700 or something? if so i love this timeline.

>>74958690
Considering how strong he was in 2022, and then last year? Yes, it's actually quite shabby. I can't imagine a world in which a holoEN girl streams to under 1k viewers.
His birthday couldn't even reach 4k without bots and back to back raids. It's pitiful at this point. It got so bad that the numberfagging sisters gave up on even mentioning ccv and started resorting to "vod views" which are even EASIER to bot than ccv and worth far less to youtube.

We live in a timeline where Finana of all people was able to mog Vox, and despite somehow still being the "best" NijiEN has, he's still bleeding subs.

>>74958228
What's wrong with Sonny?

>>74959320
Hint: You're asking a person who's never watched any of them.

>>74959320
Other than the whole "faked my death for several years after a community died to pityfarm donations" thing, not much.

>>74955461
Are they tho? Matara became an alcoholic after leaving nijisanji to the point it became a real problem, talked about it in the last episode of her podcast with Mint. Kuro after leaving Nijisanji had to run away from UK and sell his 2 houses and the plot of land he bought because otherwise he would face jail time. The only reason Doki keeps streaming is because it keeps her away from a 3rd attempt. Sayu has menhera meltdowns almost every stream.

lmao kekeke take the l compan,y is terrible forcing her yo say rhis it's so obvisou lmao kek ironkek force them it's oso obvisou but my wife mint will infiltrate them and expose them she's the best and no one will be prepared for the truth it will see the light i'm sure good will win and bad will lose lmao kekronmouse ludwig take the l connor trash taste terrible reaction challens are bad everythone knows that and it will be revealed lmao take the l kekronshitlungmousekek take the l lmao it's bad terrible lmao vshojo is bad and everytohe knwos that but the reality is going to be revealed and everyone is going to be surprised but not me i know the truth lmao kek take the l connor ludgwig

>>74959473
my favourite schizo

>>74957865
this, michi has shared lots of stories about her current manager and how funny and helpful he is. she only just debuted but is clear that she's been interacting with vshojo staff near daily since she graduated but talent only more recently. a multi hour conversation she had with mouse (+ melody listening) before this tweet is probably why it was made though, they found their upbringings were incredibly similar as their moms are the same despite different cultures and it was kind of amazing to hear a friendship being forged in real time
>>74956123
she's doing incredibly well considering she shares the timeslot with mouse and they have a similar audience, 4.5k ccv

>>74959455
Meanwhile: back in reality...

>>74959455
You would think things would be better, but I think they do still care for their friends in Niji or some weird safety net there.

>>74959708
And this contradicts what I said how?

>>74955829
uhuh, thats why they just left vshojo, joined mythic, and kept streaming as usual, right? they just had to leave vshojo because theyre uhhh theyre housewives now

>>74959473
this is going right in the schizo compilation

>>74956123
This is why I respect Mint: the only time she ever talked about her time in NijiEN was when Matara tried to egg her to call it "hell" and she said it's more like purgatory in that it has good things and bad things. Meanwhile every other ex-niji constantly shittalks their last employment place in order to salvage their falling numbers.

>>74959786
yeah, 3 out of the 4 went to mythic for a better offer, and michael... well, is michael.

>>74959759
It's hard to contradict blatant fanfiction. Just throw the whole thing out.

>>74955461
Wow, a Vshojo shillin' thread! It would be a pity if somebody dropped how it actually was behind the scenes, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ3j_-NyGfI

>>74960021
Reminder that she had a lot of projects prepared for 2024 in niji before she tried to an hero twice

>>74959880
Exactly. I respect more that tries to go for their own merit and not go "oh woe is me".

>>74958938
there is kyo

>>74960143
pretty sure silver had a jealousy problem

>>74959880
That or Mint is going to a JP-owned agency and has to be respectful(and Mata tried to sabotage that)

>>74960154
Yeah, for niji. And yet they still treat her like some kind of traitorous scumbag when she's done absolutely nothing to them... ever. Not even after being publicly humiliated constantly, nor when she was terminated, nor after the black stream.

Nijisanji and its fanbase is so fucking garbage for constantly attacking a woman who's done nothing but try to move on since day 0.

Thank fucking god she's out of that nightmare now and able to get all of the recognition and rewards that she was SUPPOSED to get over the past 3 years.

>>74960509
Over 3 years and still counting of your sour grapes holokek

>>74960566
This isn't the win you think it is. Because Niji got them, and then fucking destroyed them and ruined their careers.

>>74960527
Don't worry, she will finally have a successfull attempt once she hits 3view shitter status.

>>74958690
>>74959137(me)
Found it. you're Milord was mogged by finana of all people, and barley passed 3 finanas at peak. lol. Lmao. kek even.

>>74960616
In what world did niji ruin Mint's career? By growing her audience ten times over?

>>74960616
So what will be your cope when she doesn't join holotrash this year, or next year or the year after and so on?

>74960623
Yeah, two more weeks, I'm sure.

>>74960623
just 2 more weeks right

>>74955707
Anon, forced PR is #WeLoveArtists. Talents parroting the same message in the same corporate approved wording. Michi/Matara and the rest have all given very personal and personalized accounts of what they found in Vshojo staff that gave them joy. Their messaging has been very non-corporate. Do your marketing literacy reps.

>>74960705
>>74960730
FAGOONSEETHE

>>74960143
Ah yes, who do we believe?
>the numberfag that behaves like a teenager
>literally everyone else

>>74957673
But Nijisanji consistently keeps the buff alive.
Their international handling of taxes of their employees is incompetence. They ghosted her when she was begging for help. Threatening another con over a tweet. Putting themselves on the blacklist.

>>74960697
>So what will be your cope when she doesn't join holotrash this year, or next year or the year after and so on?
I don't give a shit where she goes as long as she's happy. All I know is that Niji had her and wasted the opportunity. Just like they did with every fucking other branch they've got their greedy little hands on.

>>74956972
>pretty popular
Because she was one of the very few who spoke EN before myth debuted and blew up
>started taking huge breaks
Pretty sure it was because of the e girl comment and how if you were popular in ID your branch mates would hate you so everyone self sabotaged
>2.7k vod views
2700? I hope that's a typo

>>74960827
>I don't give a shit where she goes as long as she's happy.
Sure sure holocuckis

If you "love" any corpo under capitalism then you're a bitch-ass cuck, but the fact that you can leave VShojo with your IP and apparently minimal bullshit makes them a better place to work than Kurosanji.

>sisters in a failing branch somehow thinks the people actually looking forwards to the future of their oshi is seething.

>>74959357
He's not asking (you)

>>74960566
SHE WILL BE MINE OR SHE WILL AHHHHHH!

>>74960862
Oh damn. I had no idea it was this bad. I hope she's doing okay with other sources of income. I don't think this Niji thing is working out anymore.

>>74961013
They only feel happiness in the misery of others.
Others need to fail so they are satisfied.
Sad existence, really.

>>74959455
sisters got no arguments and now they make shit up... no wait, they have always been making shit up.

>>74961210
It's sad, really. Just look at that one sister crying about holocucks instead of realizing that sane people give a shit about the talents, not the fucking company.

>>74961140
her last stream had like 300 viewers an hour in. I wish she would keep doing nymoussy

>>74960623
You mean like Vox?

>>74957992
Never bring Queen amicia again if you only use her name...
You freaking sister...
If kurosanji just take the L for NIJI IN failure and NIJI KR BIG DRAMA...
They no need to merge NIJI ID and make Queen Amicia work so hard to get more money for her family...
Idiot nijisister...

>>74961140
>other sources of income
If it didn't blow up here in sure she would've kept with it but I guess when everyone found out she nuked it. Ironic because a lot of people wanted more from her.

>>74957992
>cia
>health issues
You're mixing her up with someone else. She also had a fair share of issues, much like most of ID a majority of her love from Nijisanji came from her coworkers rather than the company itself.

>>74961424
Mindbroken rumao

>>74961497
>>74960675
>I close my eyes therefore it doesn't exist

>>74961589
>>74961497

>>74961399
Same.

>>74960566
>>74960697
>pomunigger thinking his oshit is some valuable shit that you couldn't miss
Pomu is Luca' cumdumpster LMFAO, enjoy slurping that faggots cum out of her vag ROFL

>>74961920
Nice projecting you got here anon, is pickme plappa your oshi? Or perhaps whoresemi lovescock?

>>74962036
God I can stand... uh, Ruffians. You really think you're better than uuhhh whatever Projekt Melody's fans are called, don't you?

>no argument
I accept your concession cuck-obsessed cuck

>>74961637
I accept your concession

>>74962528
>>74961497

>>74955461
Why do these shitters who end up in vshitshow pretend to be happy about proving they're not worth watching?
Just about anything is better than niji, except vshitshow.

>>74962724
holoseethe

>>74955461
Why are jews always happier after leaving auschwitz?

>>74955461
because nijisanji is a company that treats non-japanese like cattle and barely even communicates with them.

>>74962964
HOLY BASED NIJI I KNEEL

>>74960675
>Gets raided by vanta and claude, still cannot beat milord and king bettel in vod views after having higher ccv than both.
finana KEK, thats what you get for telling your fans off, bitch.

>>74955461
Henya goes into detail about all the reasons she's happy with VShojo pretty often, and it's not like VOMS was even that bad.

>>74963472
didnt vox tell his fans off too, he is like the finana of luxiem

>>74955461
The fact that the common line between basically every single ex-Niji, regardless of where they go afterwards is
>Wow I can’t believe my manager is doing manager things, this is unprecedented
Really tells you what the state of things is over there.
>>74955707
Explain why Mint and Doki also did it, them, neither of them are Vshojo.

>>74963560
vwhorejo really ruined Pikamee

>>74963613
Mint hasn't though? She talked about Nijisanji only once when Matara tried to get her to call it Hell but even then Mint refused and called it a Purgatory because it had good and bad things. Not a single mention of niji since then.

>>74955772
Wasn't the whole Nux drama centered around whistleblowing that VSJs negligence was leading to some vtubers getting their info doxxed during the scamdition era 2 years ago?

>>74963710
cry harder, she's ours now
https://youtu.be/YhHgwNxcG50?t=32

>>74955461
Who is michi

>>74963604
just for a 1 week yeah, milord apologized back in a community post and starts doing more lewd asmr to make up for his rants, up until late 2023 when youtube gave our liege a first warning on one of milord's 18+ asmr vod and our liege had to remove them, but not before sending a heartwarming message to his beloved kindreds.

>>74963979
lol you can have her, she's nothing more than a common used whore now

>>74964141
Holobeggars and sour grapes, name a more iconic duo. Sorry your girls are so boring that you've resorted to trying (and failing) to poach actually entertaining chuubas kek.

>>74963978
I wasn't around during that era so I don't know if that's accurate but regardless they're now incredibly careful, they set michi up with a vpn day zero and all monetary transactions for art and other assets are done through the company rather than private methods that would reveal talent info

>>74960892
this board takes console war fanboyism to the next level. it is actually a more putrid place than /v/

>>74964334
Tribalism is the spirit of the age. What can you expect from social media trained npcs?

>>74964422
Even present day /v/ isn't this bad. Console war shitters get told to fuck off regularly. This place is terrible, just terrible.

>>74964247
VSHOJOSEETHE

>>74964334
Yeah it's really bad.

>>74964422
It's actually way better for people's tribal instincts to be focused on vidya or chuubas than politics because it limits the damage those retards can do.

>>74963772
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67DAc2egFmw
These were happy tears, right?

>>74964334
Honestly I'm just here to shitpost and see sisters in the wild. I view them as one collective lolcow

>>74965068
we know

>>74964899
This doesn't disproves anything I've said, especially considering the vtuber you linked isn't Mint

>>74965370
She doesn't have a manager yet to compare anybody to. She did, however, praise Matara and Vshojo for helping her get set up so quickly.
Doki though absolutely talked about how incredible it was to have a manager that actually functioned and helped to boost her rather than tear her down. That was a huge part of her return stream.

>>74965481
>She did, however, praise Matara and Vshojo for helping her get set up so quickly.
No she didn't vshojotard

>>74964334
it's truly worse than the console wars from the 90's.

>>74965539
It was in her return stream. Why are you so upset over this? Are you a sister upset that literally everybody who's left your company (except Quinn) is enjoying having ACTUAL management and support?

>>74964334
People nearly died because one console's fans were too fucking neurotic.
Excuse us if we revel in their downfall.

>>74955461
All this is showing me that streamers are painfully fake. Company loyalty is disgusting, please stop this farce.

>>74956123
or niisanji is just a black company

>>74955461
kurosanji stuff aside, getting out of a Japanese corpo sphere would be liberating in of itself. You've just got to reconcile it with the fact you have to build up again.

Realistically tho, they are happy to be away from incompetent managers who don't care about good content.

>>74960143
Who?

>>74964564
why? We have regular streams, events and sometimes even silly things we didn't ask for... No need for seething here at all

>>74967478
Sisters don't understand what it's like to be happy unless it's at someone's expense, please be nice.
Also they don't have enough brain power to make up their own arguments, so they just copied nijiseethe.

>>74967629
>don't understand what it's like to be happy unless it's at someone's expense
ironic coming from someone who says they are here just to shitpost and laugh at lolcows

>>74967768
I'm not even the same anon. I'm only here to laugh at you fucks after you tried to harass my oshi from your little doxxsite.

>>74967848
your oshi is parrot

>>74967896
I don't even know who that is. That some new niji wave?

>>74955707
they're just being thankful to gunrun for give them a better home

>>74955461
Nijisanji is that much of a shithole? Damn

>>74965068
>I view them as one collective lolcow
Because all there is here is attentionfags baiting for (You)s. Why would anyone engage in honest debate when they know the board will dogpile them 20-to-1 no matter what?

>>74968327
Anon... When Doki first met Mr. Man, she nearly cried when she heard that she didn't have to pay for everything herself anymore and that sponsors are supposed to help with that. She seriously thought she wasn't marketable and that sponsors wouldn't even want her because of the niji brainwashing.
One of her last membership posts was her saying how Niji told her that she wouldn't have ANY sponsors in 2024 as she was a "brand risk."

>>74968781
Do you remember which month / week / near which date she posted this?

>>74969043
For the membership community post? No, sadly. I haven't been able to find anybody who kept pictures, either.
For the other stuff, yeah. Plenty.
https://youtu.be/gDEo6dpxsyY?t=78
https://youtu.be/Sw-8g39aNQE?t=127

>>74969298
It was for the membership post, I'm not doubting it's existance, just trying to build a timeline in my head.
Thank you.

>>74955772
>>74963978
Partially true, some phishers masqueraded as VShojo when they opened hiring and managed to dox some people. Nux then went to look into it and found the doxers and even got the okay from VShojo and at worst, everyone was going to come out looking okay, at best, they'd be heroes for defending indies who got taken advantage of.
BUT, Nyanner's, being the selfish drama whore she is started to piss and moan to VShojo about how she was a victim too and Nux shouldn't get any praise for what he did. Which caused VShojo to do a 180 and throw Nux under the bus, who then posted his receipts that showing VShojo did originally okay him.

tl;dr, the Nux shitshow was entirely Nyanner's fault and after she and the 3 other mentally ill whores all left VShojo, their reputation greatly improved.

>>74969444
It came as such a shock, I didn't even think to back up all the membership shit. I'm really kicking myself for that.

>>74969513
So far from what I've put together
>Selen tells artists (discord leak) some people inside Nijisanji have asked for her resignation
>After the black stream she suggested she felt isolated and alone in January (but it's not January anymore)
>she doesn't suggest livers in any of her communication and the termination notice says livers we involved "due to mismanagement"
So it would look something like this
>Something happens
>(possibly) Livers ask for Selen's resignation
>Selen feels alone and isolated
>she is hospitalized
Considering her insistance on mismanagement I'd assume "Something happens" is connected with management and if livers were involved it'd be by management's will.
But alas there are too many unknowns and we'll probably never know.

>>74955461
Because they aren't good workers and are just narcissists. It's not an insignificant detail that almost all of them went from total obscurity to internet popular during the time they also worked for Nijisanji. Vshojo is a clout accumulating group that also only cares about them because of Nijisanji. Therefore, you can never wash the stain of Nijisanji out of them, they jus don't have to be worried about being told what to do now. And mindless fans love it, the same way fans love those reality tv families or the British royalty. Why would narcissists not love being treated like royalty without any responsibility?

>>74970047
the thing that happened that set everything off was the coffee video. Management fucked up the perms either due to negligence or due to actively fucking her with a magical new rule about not allowing old organs in the projects. Shortly after, the discord leaks first showed up which talked about the issue and how the other organs had wanted her gone due to her "bringing nothing good to the branch."
On top of that, a day or two later, Nyfco had THIS random post, which seemed way too fucking on the nose to be from anyone uninvolved. It's likely that this happened on the same day and was one of the organs venting. (some people think maybe Millie)

She was isolated and alone in January because she was suicidal and honestly barely showed up anywhere. She was locked out of all of her corporate accounts. She played Apex almost 24/7 to pass the time, and was silent almost everywhere except for the occasional doompost on twitter, and the occasional steam name change.

>>74955461
Because that brings view. Drama fags love seeing this.

Oh good, she's also terminally /here/.

>>74970370
>old organs
all i know it's a rule that started in JP.
as much as i'd liek to defend selen here, i'm more curious to hear the other side and why exactly did the others wanted her gone.

>>74955639
>I kind of doubt vshojo is actually that great
They aren't, they're just normal.
That the ex-Nijis are so wowed by the bare minimum, let alone a team that actually cares, says everything.

>>74970370
>It's likely that this happened on the same day and was one of the organs venting.
Could have been a manager too. Definitely someone with inside knowledge, but I wouldn't put it past managers to try and manipulate the flow of information (still could be an organ).
However you cannot put that video in isolation. If they told her beforehand that she's a risk and won't get sponsorships beforehand, it's one more pile on the "gradual build up" she talked about.

>>74970734
The thing that makes the most sense is that she was really too big for NijiEN. She was constantly trying to push through projects and grow the branch, and management refused to support her properly, so she often went around them to talk to the rights owners directly. This pissed off management, (like it did with Zaion), and they loved to "punish" her for this by forcing her to admit her flaws in apology tweets or apology community notes or apology videos... It's likely she was rocking the boat too much and the other organs didn't like that.

Remember how when Mika talked to vshojo she expected something that they said they'd do overnight to take 3 weeks? There was also the time where she asked if she could do unarchived karaoke to sing whatever she wanted, "Like KR does." Turns out NijiKR wasn't actually supposed to be doing that, and it ended up causing problems both in KR and in EN because she brought it up.

>>74971145
NTA
>>74971145
>It's likely she was rocking the boat too much and the other organs didn't like that
It's something else that irks me. Technically this should affect the other organs in any way. Why would it irk the organs? Going back to "because of mismanagement", is it possible for management to create conditions in which other members feel compelled to act? I'm not trying to find an excuse, but I want to know what happened.

>>74971402
It's a different mentality, unfortunately. The Niji job is admittedly "easy" if you don't want to do all of the big projects Selen does. You just turn on the game and stream. Selen didn't want to do that and instead put stress on management, which put pressure on the talents, likely going "Look what Selen made us do!"
It sounds childish, but I've seen the same exact shit from similar companies AND niji proper in the past. Just look at Millie's response. "Oh no what happened? Mane-san wouldn't do that. Clearly YOU messed up the perms, right?"

Management is on a power trip, and the rest of the organs are just crabs trying to coast.

>>74955461
VShojo could be a barefoot migrant slave camp and it would still be better than Nijisanji.

>>74955707
its maybe not force but its PR regardless
the forced PR is when you see all the talents go
>I love nijisanji
or
>we appreciate you artists
or
>retweets the same black screen

In Nijisanji, you have absentee managers, nonexistent opportunities, and have to funnel money toward people who see you as nothing but a paycheck. In VShojo, they help you fix your tax crises caused by Nijisanji.

>>74971145
>too big
i'd say that her ambition and her way of doing things just wasn't compatible with how JP corpos work and that rubbed the other livers/management/upper brass the wrong way. especially if those livers just want to work peacefully. this may have caused a big enough rift for management to treat her as a brand risk.
in other words, she just wasn't a good match for a JP corpo.

Hear that, Vox?

>>74972022
so recording a close friend of you who has mental health issues without his permission and doing it behind his back is fine ?

>>74972022
Don't betray one's trust then.

>>74972350
Makes me question that if she hadn't done that, would he have been in the black screen...

>>74972350
they were never been friends what are you on anon

>>74971942
In ither words, they wanted to reap all the rewards from her work but at the same time punish her for making them get off their lazy asses (or simply exposing their asses as such).

Fuck em. If her work ethic was such a problem then they should have had the spine to pass on her audition or let her graduate peacefully when they realized that it wasn't working.

Everyone involved in her harassment deserves career death.

>>74972614
this still looks bad on selen's side even if vox wasn't exactly a nice person.

>>74972350
>>74972354
Actually, now that I think of it, she played Niji like a fiddle.
- I won't be silenced anymore! I have all the recipies! Roar!
- Niji shits its pants and decides to strike preemptively according to what she may release.
- Lol, I'm not releasing anything, get fucked.
- Now her public image is 100/100 and Niji is the supervillain (not that it isn't but still)

because they don't have to get SA'ed by a pedo molester looking nigga.

>>74972614
yeah, vox was just the third wheel and the big bro, selen liked ike the most. and ike still participated in the video, i wonder why ? maybe because selen is actually a crazy woman who wants to kill everyone's career after her mv got privated ?

>>74963978
It lead into 2 vtubers getting "doxxed", one was Nux (which he did not got dox and was the one that informed them) and the other one was some random chink that now sucks to Nux after she was compensated. The whole doxxing deal was basically the equivalent of those scams you get in your spam emails or texts: like "You won 5000, put your credentials here", "Your Amazon Account is Compromised Click Here to fix it", but the failure in the system was that the doxxers managed to made it legit due to something (I can't remember if it was the page or something). But yeah those were the only cases. VShojo did the mistake of getting the law involved (because that way they couldn't speak of it), and not telling Nux he couldn't do his video (he basically got a "we can't tell you no" in the sense of VShojo can't legally stop him, it's on his moral to do so) which end up with talents hating it and some parts of the community also hated it (some thought he got 100% ok so they were blinded by it) mainly because Nux painted himself as the hero of the story, the one who did it all but he was just a fool with a loose mouth and even the doxing group laughed at him. VSJ negligence was truly not stopping Nux instead of leaving it by chance to him, and also contacting the Law for it, because they didn't do a thing, and a simple tweet could have done more, so it only ruined their reputation for a bit although it did remove Nux from their collabs which is based

>>74972848
no. you're not getting it. the way JP corpos do their big projects is very differently from how Selen wanted to do things. this also includes stuff like the rewards. going against the JP current certainly rubbed other people the wrong way.

her work ethic simply wasn't compatible with JP corpos.
In short, when in Rome, do as Romans do.

despite this being a bait thread the posts are surprisingly not insane, so I guess I can ask
why are niji talents called organs? I started watching indie into vshojo and know very little about any corpo

>>74972350
the one that vox lied about? The one that doesn't even implicate him in anything since favoritism is a problem with management and not him, and yet he still felt a need to lie about what was there? The one that was simply a leftover recording and not created maliciously?

>Regarding a recording, this was not intended to be anything other than a distribution test for planning of a collaborative event between two people, which happened to be left over from one test recording, and I never recorded any other conversations with anyone. The recording was never shown anywhere even in a legal setting and there are no other records. However, I regret that it was mentioned and I am sorry to all parties affected for the misunderstanding in this.

>>74973366
it's not "organs". It's "Livers"" as in when you go "LIVE" on stream. Think of it as a way for people to easily know you're talking about a NIJISANJI Vtuber.

>>74973366
Nijisanji calls its vtubers "livers."
Liver is a normal english word, and it's fucking stupid how Nijisanji uses it, so /vt/ calls them organs or kidneys instead. The only people who use the word "liver" are tourists from Niji which makes it even easier to out them.

>>74973453
>>74973481
I knew about the "liver" thing and just as I was typing that I realized the nickname here comes from the ORGAN liver... duh. thanks for prompting that delayed realization

>>74969493
Nux did not get the ok. He just thought he did because he's actually retarded.

Look who suddenly remembered that Layla exists (to be fair she appeared in her 3d debut after Enna didn't mention her for like.. a year?) now that things aren't looking too bright.

>>74973417
its still counted as harassment to record him without his permission, he has always shilled selen in collabs and raids her streams pretty frequently when selen was part of the nijisanji en family. of course he was disappointed in selen and was against her on the message video, that recording could have contained his private information. on the bright side, it seems like selen and vox has resolved the issue behind closed doors and are returning back to their peaceful state as of today. only mika and mysta has been the one firing shots at nijisanji.

>>74960774
> My unsupported guesses on their motivations is just marketing literacy.
I've worked as a model, and I've read "personal experiences" from a script. You are a disgusting pretender.

>>74973794
Yeah, anon gave him too much credit for what he did as well which was really nothing at all.
>b-but he exposed a phishing scam and warned all the precious indies
Which is suspicious considering the only victims of said scam I recall were himself and a 2view that immediately shut up when Gun tweeted at her in response.. Oh and an actual schizo that appeared on a dramafag's stream who believed the VShojo girls were literally demons out to get her.

>>74974468
Yeah, and every single person who's left that company has had the same personal experience regardless of affiliation, or even the branch. The company is evil as fuck, sister. Don't even try to pretend otherwise.

>>74974094
Good to hear.

>>74973292
No, dumbass, I understood your deflection just fine. If she wasn't a good fit for whatever fucking reason, cultural or otherwise, there were plenty of ways that they could have separated that wouldn't have ended with her being hospitalized and with them showing their whole ass.

>>74974094
>nijisanji en family
sister if you want to spread your propaganda at least TRY to blend in

>>74972906
>I have all the recipies!

>>74975535
I guess they tried the Cover way of silence like Magni and Vesper but #WhereIsSelen wasn't having that.

>>74975535
it was never meant to be a deflection of any sort so lay off with the rudeness.
it was a JP corpo and they're their own kind of retarded. that environment is filled with old men that are out of touch with the world outside Japan and with ignorant high schoolers taking management positions. the best way to survive in such an environment is to apply the old saying of "in Rome, do as Romans do" and coast.
remember that the idea of making "an attempt" was in the end, a decision she made herself. bad company? sure but she's no saint either.

>>74976719
it's a standard Japanese practice. the greatest miscalculation was the #WhereisSelen movement getting a lot of noise.

>>74974094
>its still counted as harassment
In my opinion, I don't think it's harassment

>>74977236
If they only wanted people who were there to coast, they could have let her peacefully graduate or just not have hired her in the first place. Which part of this is not getting through your thick fucking skull?

>>74977656
it was still pretty underhanded of her even if he was a piece of shit.

>>74977236
>talent joins company with promises that company will take care of them
>talent is continuously bullied by other talent, managers, for trying to improve things and being proactive
>talent is repeatedly told by company that they're worthless and nothing without niji
>talent's self-confidence is broken
>talent organizes and goes through with a project so they're not a burden to company
>talent is told by company they can't release the project they managed and paid for
>talent thinks they can't leave because they're worthless
>talent is trapped in terrible contract
>talent can't see a future doing what they love and are good at
>talent doesn't see a future at all
doki did nothing wrong, fuck off

>>74977656
>>74977749
even if it wasn't accidental, would you call silently recording someone you didn't trust with only the intention to protect yourself legally in the future "harassment"? vox wasn't just someone either, he's clearly favoured in the company and though they were both just talent he would always be believed over her within niji if she didn't have proof of whatever happened

If Anycolor's Q4 comes and goes, and nothing bad happens to NijiEN, will everyone finally be able to move on, business as usual? until the next yab

At the end of the day, streamers are pieces of meat for the viewer's enjoyment. The only way to truly die in this industry seems to be to stop streaming. Just shut the fuck and stream, stream, stream, and you'll never have to work a real job again.

>>74977705
my guess is that her tweet asking the mv to be uploaded elsewhere among other things really pissed off someone in the upper brass and they did the very Japanese thing of making sure she looked as bad as possible on her way out.
it's more of a Japanese corpo culture thing. this also explains why the company didn't see her as marketable.

>>74978445
they'll just move on to the next drama piece.

>>74977777
what i'll say is this, dragoon.
her work ethic just wasn't a good match for the company. that is it.

>>74965817
Surely you have proof of this

>>74978485
Not sure that's uniquely a JP corpo thing, but at any rate it's unacceptable and they deserve every inch of the five hundred mile cactus that's being shoved up their ass.

>>74979479
https://youtu.be/gDEo6dpxsyY?t=81
https://youtu.be/Sw-8g39aNQE?t=170

>>74979775(me)
oops, wrong set of links. Oh well, they're basically the same thing.

>>74978917
I'm not a dragoon, it just pisses me off seeing people excuse abuse within a company. if a company prevents someone from quitting due to an insane contract that fucks them over along with years of emotional manipulation making them think they're worthless on their own, that individual isn't at fault for anything they do that's against "company protocol" or whatever the fuck rule they claim she violated. if you put a cat in a tiny box are you really going to fault it if it scratches the sides trying to get out

>>74955461
I don't like nijiEN one fucking bit but doesn't anyone else find it a little suspicious the ones who go to vshojo always vocally spout about how much better its management is etc on twitter? If we consider how fucking hard they clearly are going after mint it wouldn't surprise me if they're being asked or otherwise somehow convinced to tweet about how great things are by design. it's like their version of the "I LOVE NIJISANJI!!!" unison tweeting a bunch of talents obviously coordinated some years ago. don't get me wrong I'm guessing basically any management is better than nijiEN's but when they all sound almost the exact same in describing this it seems a bit manufactured on vshojo's end too.

>>74980465
if niji's biggest problem is terrible management, why would you assume when they go to vshojo and gush over good management there it's manufactured? I haven't seen many of kuro's or mata's comments beyond when they first joined but I've seen most of michi's comments while watching live and she's very specific with her stories of things she loved or thought were funny when interacting with staff, it's not just a blanket "yeah they're so nice here"

i dont think vshojo is some heavens paradise of a company its just that nijisanji is a hell of a shithole in comparison

>>74980465
Oooor Nijisanji's management is so fucking shit that having someone who doesn't actively want to harm your career is an upgrade.

>>74977777
>doki did nothing wrong
Except when she "tried" to "kill herself". Curious.

>>74979876
or scratches your fucking face off when it DOES get out?

No. And I hope they bleed out as quickly as possible.

>>74979775
>>74979864
Of course it was a retard dokikek. I bet he doesn't even watch Mint lmao

>>74980465
Considering they talk about all the specific ways VShojo has helped them on stream, there's no real reason to distrust them. Especially very vocal people like Kuro who had no problem shitting on Nijisanji as Mysta when he was still part of the company.

I get the feeling it's more to do with streamers having a lot more freedom to do content on Twitch than they do on Youtube, such as not begging for permissions, being able to use mods and not having your channel taken down because 10 seconds of copyrighted music played.

>>74981875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjN67re3BWI
Go nuts. I'm done spoonfeeding you. I'm gonna go watch Shiori.

>>74982618
>no timestamp
I accept your concession cuck

>>74982422
Permissions and mods are only an issue with corpos. The other one is true

>>74982703
Accept what you want. It's not gonna bring the fans back, nor will it restore faith in Nijisanji's management kek.

>>74982703
Are you capable of using a spoon or are you like one of those koalas whose brain short circuits when someone cuts the leaves off the tree and puts it on a plate right in front of them

>>74961140
holy grim

>>74955461
>people who like being in Nijisanji stay
>people who don't like being in Nijisanji leave
I don't think it's very complicated

>>74955461
Kson literally said the same shit two years ago and everyone called it fake and shilling. But now Michi saying it is so real and the truth because it btfos the nijis.
Have some consistency for once.

>>74955461
Because Nijisanji sucks.

>>74955639
LMAO she was literally shit talking Nijisanji almost every day sister
It was quite amusing to me when she said she never gets any merch during a big collab

>>74988961
The funny thing is that the Nijifags didn't care about Mika before she graduated. It's obvious most of them didn't even watch her, so now they act surprised when she says she was miserable there. She was very open about it.

She's literally getting rawed every day by her coworker bf, how is she not going to be happier nowadays.

>>74955700
Be warned, mentioning ex-Wactor talents summons both the Spanish fanbase and the Idol fanbase.

>>74992036
they live two hours apart

>>74973964
This evil demon...
She know, madam layla will said yes because she is angle...

>>74980465
I agree. Vshojo is a brand, just like Anycolor. They all have the innate desire to manipulate the audience to their best interests.

At the end of the day, it's still just streamers and the viewers. Don't like them, don't watch them, etc etc. I have a millon options to spend my time and they're vying for my attention.

>>74956822
technically vshojo can be bad still, its just that being in Niji was worse

>>74956822
>Maybe Vshojo is nice and great, but Silver, Vei and Nyan didn't seem to think so.
Leaving Vshojo is easy and you don't lose anything. Those 3 had brainworms about their responsibility for the brand image or didn't vibe well with the group so they quit when they got a seemingly competitive alternative from another big agency.
It doesn't mean Vshojo is bad at all though.

>>74992036
Well first off they live in Indo, so no premarital sex because that would be haram
Second, ain't no fucking way they would live together when Michi showed her fridge and it looks like this.
They do know where both live tho, Kuro said it was a two hour trip.

>>74955461
Undoubtedly, they are being treated better than they used to be.
However, considering that Vshojo launched a 'Talent Freedom Campaign' 2 years ago, I would not be surprised if this tweet was made by Vshojo managers.

>>74995790
Vshojo talents completely own their social media and Michi talked about the specific things that Vshojo did for her on stream, so no.

>>74995901
2 years ago, Silver also said so.

>>74995901
>Michi talked about the specific things
OMG!!!! It's clear evidence that Vshojo talents completely own their social media!!!

>>74996046
And she also posted it herself back then.
Vshojo managers will only post for talents if they request it.

>>74996126
She literally said that she loves Vshojo on stream citing some of the things that they did for her and other reasons that blew her mind. So yeah, there's no reason to assume she didn't tweet this herself.

>>74960975
>a better place to work than Kurosanji.
you've no idea what a low bar that is.

>>74955461
freedom

>>74963710
No, K-son ruined Pikamee, anon.