/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Will end up being a nothingburger anyways

>>74866564
what in the goddamn

>>74866637
kek, as soon the professional dramafags wake up you will see endless amount of videos and more schizo discoveries.

>>74866564
https://msm.gg/talent
MSM Talent List
>RomiChiVT
>Lord Aethelstan
>Versus
>Mimcubus
>Vienna
>Exey
>PorcelainMaid
>Tob
>Juniper Actias
>GEEGA
>Jabroni Mike
>Lucy Pyre
>Nagzz
>Basil
>Nihmune (Numi)
>Fream
>KingOfKazoos
>F1NN5TER
>Kwite
>Grimmi
>OverEZEggs
>ShiaBun
>ZoranTheBear
>GhostySaige
>Sanagi Yuzu
>Heavenly Father
>Orihime
>FroggyLoch
>Endra
>Hooty Hoo
>Kabhaal
>Grape
>Fleshy
>AICandii
>BuffPup
>rosedoodle
>Pumpkin Potion
>RPR
>Vexoria The Sun Eater
>Alfyria
>Michael Winslow
>Nanoless
>CottontailVA
>Saeko
>Sigrid and Bird

>>74866637
you should prepare for the lawsuits instead of kvetching /here/ kek

Classic malignant narcissist. Dude just sees everyone as pawns for his use.

>>74866763
>malignant narcissist
speaking of wonder how sigrid will react to this

>>74862804
>>74862961
>no LLC
>no contracts
>Grimmi is now PERSONALLY responsible for an entire warehouse of hot sauce
>That'll be $29,999.99 a month for the last six months of back pay, plus tax, plus tip. Oh and the first shipment should arrive at <your home address> today so could you tell us which side of the property the loading bay is on?
>Hey it's the sauce company and we're wondering when your first payment for the $300,000 of hot sauce you bought from us on credit will be coming in.
Grimm

>>74866564
So the owner has a court record a mile long and no provable LLC? Why the fuck did people sign onto this?

>>74866564
Now that's a big rrat

>>74866564
Very important bullet point you missed: Seth Weinstein is jewish.

>>74866850
Preese understan, smarr indie vtuber brain can't google name of company CEO before signing million dollar contract.

>>74866732
damn I like alot of these vtubers. sucks they got scammed

>>74866927
Obsessed

reminder this was all started by a /lig/ autist who got bored and was wondering why someone vagueposted about seth being in debt

>>74866927
very important
bonus: he's proud of it

>dependant on Twitch/YT allowing their streams
>signed to a talent agency
>"independent"

>>74866732
Mike? Motherfucking Mike (not to be confused with Motherfucker Mike) got got by this too? I know the dude puts on the air of being a retarded yawker but he's gotten fucked over by similar shit to this all his life, and while this one isn't going to be even close to the most damaging you'd think he'd have noticed.
Vtubing really does take a few brain cells as a tax.

>>74866993
Interesting how he uses aliases though.

>>74866850

Just dangle some shiny weeb thing that anyone can get like an atlus sponsership and a chuuba will bend over for you.

>>74867050
the funny part about this post is he very publicly failed getting his chuubas a persona 3 sponsorship

>>74866732
Those are some big names on the fleshie side, if this hits youtube somehow it'll be massive

>>74867078
>he very publicly failed getting his chuubas a persona 3 sponsorship
meanwhile Sayu didn't even have to ask...

For laughs here’s his highschool twitter.

https://twitter.com/huntzerz/status/700136117140635648?s=46&t=YXjrCAsNB_XBg1Q_G3z-aQ

>>74866564
>weinstein

>>74867018
It's even funnier that most of his friends back on Vinesauce are just indies including Laimu
He even has an alternative income source from Red Vox so its baffling why he didn't just coast of the Vinesauce name

AAAAAAAAAAAA HENYA IS TOO CUTE BROS

>>74867259
I think you're misunderstanding something about what this "company" is: it's just some sponsorship label. Like realistically there's not much of a reason to not join one, so I get it, but at the same time... he's lived through it all man, gotta do your reps even for non-important stuff like that.

>>74866845
That's very on brand for Grimmi's bad luck

>>74867362
tabs

>>74867362
Go back /vsj+/ bro

>>74867362
wrong tab bro...

>>74867362
I agree but tabs dayo

>>74867362
... she is but wrong tabs

Well geega this aged poorly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuGU99vY2Eo

>>74867389
Woops, someone linked this thread here so I was curious.

it's gotta be all bullshit theres no retards canceling msm on twitter sorry guys

>>74867501
getting nervous, are you?

>>74866732
>can't get into vshojo
>can't get into Mythic Talent
MSM is a scam. The girl can't catch a break.

>>74867458
dude if you go around many of their talents shilled them. Aethel sucked msm cock so much at one point they even considered to sing nyan there.

>>74867501
We'll have to wait for an official response or a comment from actual lawyers.

>>74866845
“Announcing I have a have a new hot sauce! Isn’t that fun guys?? Uhh oh wait I own the company? I guess I’m responsible for a billion crates of musty old hot sauce…. That’s uh…. Cool I guess.”

>>74867562
she can get in my room

>>74867572
i dont think schizo threads will trigger any of that

>>74866732
Nagzz is there too lol. Bro gonna start balding even faster now.

>>74867566
You butter up the big guys then they assume it's all good and recommend it to other people. Almost like a hidden pyramid scheme.

>>74867606
it's 9am in the most of the US. These people are not even aware of this... Let the day start and we will see...

>>74866564
>Seth had an alternate twitter account where he made fun of women and minorities.
sounds pretty fucking based if you ask me

>>74866732
>GEEGA
Isn't this bitch in VShojo, why is she on this list?

>>74867501
Give it time
>https://x.com/thedarkenjoyer/status/1785634449083756824?s=46

Hey guys. I looked it up. Seth actually owns a company, and runs a company called "Perfect Presence, LLC" which is what MSM.GG's website is under. I wonder if he moved MSM to a subsect of that company?

>>74867606
Is it really a schizo thread when we have piles of apparent evidence that at the very least seth is a terrible business man and has multiple lawsuits from former clients?

>>74867458
“They are S-tier in knowing what they’re doing”

Like not filing or paying taxes, creating lists, manipulating people into buying hot sauce companies, and wrecking friendships? the owner using everyone’s image to sell a print of himself at a con?? That’s what you consider S tier????

>>74867689
we keep telling you that vshojo is not a corpo but you guys don't listen...

>>74867724
So in other words he shell gamed his assets into a new company but left his old branding that was associated with multiple lawsuits? Is the man retarded?

>>74867689
she's in both

>>74867824
That's what im theorizing. Although just looked it up. That company is also considered "Forfeited" despite being still active?

>>74866763
He looks unhinged also why are some of them taped to the walls?

>>74867689
I mean it's Vshojo.

>>74867572
I won’t know what to think until the founder of Mythic does a reaction to a Rev video.

>>74867874
If it's forfeited it means it was seized, just like the MSM LLC IP, meaning same exact issue

>>74868000
>rev
ooffff

>>74868051
So he opened msm.gg on his... seized LLC???? Is he retarded.

>>74867724
Also forfeited…

It'll be funny if this turns out to be incorrect info.

>>74866845
>dodged a bullet by dropping out of Niji only to get hit by a different bullet from behind

>>74868150
so far we got a decent backing of evidence, at least more so than you usually see in 4chan rrats

>>74868199
remind me of the old story of the man trying to avoid death...

>>74866564
Just to shed some light on this since OP and the nigger that made some of the original posts are lying about some stuff:
>business license
The overwhelming majority of companies in Maryland don't need licenses to operate a business. This is also the case for this company.
>Forfeited
This most likely means that the company was revoked for not filling annual reports. There's no fines involved. The state does this because they assume that the business fell through and simply close the listing. It can be reopened by simply filling an annual report and paying the fee to do so.
>MSMs in Maryland are all forfeited
This is false. There's a lot of MSMs in Maryland (from consultancy firms, beauty, manufacturing, etc.) including an MSM LLC or MS. Media that could very well be the company in question.

In conclusion: It's extremely unlikely that he has been operating a business without paying taxes to the state and likely just registered a new business.

>>74867501
F1NN5TER is in this mess anon
This will inevitably explode

>>74867874
Okay, this dude is playing fast and loose but I've gotta ask... What the fuck are the States that these companies are forfeited to doing? Don't they check to make sure more fraud isn't taking place?

>>74868283
You should probably get a lawyer, Seth.

>>74868297

Actually I knew about all of it and told F1NN about it a few weeks ago. They already know.

>>74868053
That’s where the CEO of Mythic gets his vtuber news from

>>74868422
that's explains a lot...

Hey guys. I won't reveal who I am, but this is false. We don't operate under a buisness license as we are a talent agency. Our merch deals, and stuff are done through third parties like fourthwall. thelabs.cc for example isn't a reseller, or wholeseller as it is through fourth wall, and we manage a privacy compliancy officer through them. Since its easier to do that third party.

>>74868456
ok grimmi

I'm gonna trust anon here and guess that this will blowup somehow.

>>74868456
>fourth wall
may god have mercy of your soul

>Weinstein and Grimmi doing damage control ITT
grimm

>>74868456
Then why do your contracts state MSM LLC? I’ve seen them so seems like your the one making up falsehoods.

>>74868283
It's simple: post what your actual llc is, then it all goes away

>>74867775
In a way she's right.

He evaded paying taxes, and thus the IRS, for a couple of years. Shame that's running out soon.

>>74868625
That was a previous company that is now defunct. The old twiter "Mad Science Media" is not the same as "Mad Science Media Talent". We stopped filing annual reports as the original company, and team was dissolved to move towards a more lucrative pasture.

>>74868605
>it's damage control when people point out that some of the OP is false and that it's a nothingburguer

>>74868696
If no /lig/gers come around talking about it on stream in the next month, then sure, it's a nothingburger.

>>74868456
Do you not grasp how bad it is to not have a llc in place for something like hot sauce that has allergy and potentially health related issues involved, simply from a personal protection point of view?

>>74868688
He rolled dubs, nothingburger confirmed

>>74868696
it's a nothingburger until the IRS smells the money.

>>74868778
The hotsauce is sourced through a third party. Kind of like beast burger. It's not actually made in house.

>>74868688
Alright so how about that long, long lawsuit history and the defaced facebooks? Even if you are currently on the up and up you can understand how a look into the past looks like a massive red flag

>>74868688
“We stopped filing annual reports” I don’t think you ever filed them. So you’re saying you have no LLC?

>>74868778
Sounds like that is Grimmi's problem.

>>74868676
Have you tried just looking through the Maryland business registry for MSM instead of being mouthfed false information like a retard?
If all MSMs are forfeited you surely won't find any companies that could possibly be it.

>>74868831
That didn't stop Mr beast from being sued and having to counter sue

>>74868688
Ok. Now explain this: >>74861058

>>74868892
It's not the same situation anon. We are ordering, and relabling hot sauces ordered from a reputable middle man.

>>74868892
>>74868949
To add onto this. "Elijah’s Xtreme Hot Sauce" orders from the same company we do.
>>74868944
I am not seth. So I do not know.

>>74867388
I just got into Grimmi last night since my oshi was not live. Could I get a qrd on this Grimmi luck lore?

>>74868831
Do you not realize the legal nightmare beast burger is?

https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/7/23822859/mrbeast-burger-virtual-dining-concepts-counter-lawsuit-ghost-kitchen


In all honesty it doesn’t matter, I don’t care about your business, I care Seth has been aggressive and systematically attacking everyone I know. I’ve been gathering info on him and I know what you guys say behind closed doors. You’re going to pay a very steep price for what you’ve been doing.

>>74869043
Mr beast burger is not the same thing as buying sauce from a middle man. We literally buy hot sauce product. Relabel it and ship it out plenty of other people do the same thing. You have a nothing burger.

>>74869084
We have a trail of lies and incompetence.

>>74869142
Okay Meat. Are you mad because we rejected you and coqui?

>>74869165
Big if true.

>>74869165
This is news to me, you what now? Do tell.

>>74869165
>we
I wonder if that Grimmi chick is way more involved in this mess than it may seem. Also with her ungraduation pitybait.

>>74868580
qrd?

>>74868883
I followed your breadcrumb and unless you have another partner or family member that founded the group for you, this seems like an intentional deflection.

>>74869358
>intentional deflection
>weinstein

*grabs popcorn*

>liggers fighting each other ITT

>>74867775
>>wrecking friendships

The rrats are hungry, drop the details

So I’m guessing this is the other MSM business partner running defense, the one that failed at their last business and see ly they are being up meat and coqui like they have something to do with this? Interesting…why would anyone in MSM bring them up?

>>74869306
vshojo had dropped them because they are hilarious bad, like there is people still waiting for their nazuna merch. This bad.

>>74868456
love you, grimbo

>>74869610
>Interesting…why would anyone in MSM bring them up?
It'd track with how the rrat is that a MSM talent, Tobs was going to be a founding member of 3am before she pulled out.

>>74869619
hrm. I haven't really heard others complain about them, so my guess would be vshojo becoming too big and not getting prioritized over everyone else.

>companies are frauds and streamers are easily manipulated retarded
average day huh

>>74869142
you're a monkey throwing poo, anon

>>74866564
>Own of MSM Talent Seth Weinstein
>Weinstein
OF COURSE

>>74869306
NTA but when they worked with Vshojo my Henya deskmat shipped 6 months late. Pretty sure they also handled shipping the Goodsmile figurines purchased on VShojo's site and those ended up taking longer than just buying from Goodsmile. Nyan gave up and bought her own Nendoroid off Amazon instead of waiting.

>>74869736
And that matters because…?

>>74869783
>bro, 2008 came totally out of nowhere, like, literally everyone got caught off guard by it

>>74869165
Oooh this MSM talent knows some shit we dont.

>>74868456
>buisness

>>74869783
sigh... >>74864099

>>74869859
I guess it would have fallen apart when Meat and Coqui didn't get into MSM. It all fits.

>thread literally about lawsuits and shady shit msm did
>somehow manages to bring up 3am
Man you guys can't help yourselves

>>74869820
yeah, I know about vshojo, but I need to know if only they had problems with fourthwall or others as well, because I'm planning on buying some stuff from an indie chuuba and she uses their services, too.

>>74868688
So what company do you file reports as now?

>>74870172
i'm sure some indies had problems with them but i can't really point it out who... Sorry.

>>74869958
So you brought up coqui and Meat because they potentially could have applied and been denied and then what? How does that relate to Seth here having a paper trail of fraud? What about that Facebook for MSM talking about how he’s a massive grifter? You going to blame coqui and meat for that too??

>>74869165
whatever you say sigrid. dont you have more vtubers to make hate you by being an insufferable untalented unfunny unlikeable narcissistic cunt? i feel like this is a big distraction from your true passion of making every single person you interact with hate you but we both know how hard it is to rip yourself away from ego searching every ten minutes so you can complain about it to all the friends you think you have who can actually barely stand you.

>original post mentioning Coqui and Meat deleted after Tobs was brought up
What did anon mean by this?

>>74870311
I knew it was you Meat. Why do you even post here anyways you naive bitch.

>>74870311
lol look whos mad

>>74866732
I though RPR left for a Japanese Esports company a few months ago?

>>74869165
is that why you don't pay taxes for 7 years because of Meat and Coqui?

>>74869165
hi Grimmi! you should lawyer up instead of screeching /here/

ok who the fuck is meat coqui tobs 3am any of this shit?

>>74870598
gay ligger larp. Don't worry about it.

>>74870598
A corpo that was opened up by meat, coqui, olivia monroe and callie. Based off this thread, meat and coqui applied to MSM but got rejected which is why they formed 3am. Tobs is also supposed to be a founding member of 3am but she stopped talking to them.

You can tell this thread scares liggers because now they're acting like women in the thread to deflect from the fact they got scammed.

Meat and Coqui made me scam people out of their money guys, it’s not my fault.

tobs, sigrid,
settledown and stop trying to dox people when you signed up to work with someone who is only not in jail because he got his grandma to sign paperwork
now seth
is this the type of attention you wanted seth when you decided to try and make yourself a central figure of a group of impressionable idiots
nobody knew who the fuck you were because you dont matter and this is what you get retard

>>74869783
>Heh. And what business school did YOU go to, honey? Leave it to the tax experts to know what an LLC is.
this redditpost was not worth the hd space to sc

>>74869165
Imagine how much of a hack org MSM must be if this is true? Massive up and comers making huge strides basically solo and you reject them? This isn't the burn you think it is.

>>74866564
Oki, but what this entile for the Vtubers associated aside risk to not get paid and all their contracts voided? You do realize by this logic, they own IP and everything they did.

>>74869783
Honestly, considering we're /here/ and with the autism anons have, it wouldn't surprise me if anyone here either WAS any of the mentioned professions or had done enough research to have an equivalent knowledge base.

>>74870676
If Grimmi's bootlicking for a shitty sponsorship company ITT then I can only imagine the shining polishing she'd have given to her corpo had she not pulled out.

>>74869165
I wonder why this was deleted.

>>74870828
I’m not a tax or business guy, but I have friends who very much are and I’ve asked them about this and no, it is not good for MSM.

>>74870896
Tob is a jew like the Seth guy.

>>74870896
Because the only people who know the info in that deleted post would be people with MSM, which basically confirms a long standing schizo theory that the Meat/Coqui anti in /lig/ works for MSM.

>>74866732
>Aethel
>Nagzz
I don't watch or care about the others but fuck, they got duped

>>74870925
If true, which I'm more inclined to believe considering the mixture of focused autism and strange connections anons on 4chan seem to have, then MSM might actually be fucked. And if so I hope it doesn't negatively impact the chuubas signed under them.

>>74871047
Basically yes in a moment of anger that person showed their hand. MSM has been professionally fucking with 3AM for some reason, I personally would love to know why?

>>74870896
Probably realized the self-report was retarded and will only harm their case.

>>74871047
I thought the going theory was the 0view South Side male?

>>74870896
A self-deletion to create the illusion of legitimacy.

>>74870676
Well, THEY'RE women in the first place.

>>74871047
Now THAT is fucked, and I'd say the only way it could be worse is if MSM was literally paying someone to anti them on /lig/ or if the anti in question was a higher-up in MSM directly responsible for rejecting them.

>>74871047
Five dollars someones going to say
>i-it was an obvious falseflag!
for the next three weeks in your thread. My condolences.

>>74871047
Considering how the thread has nothing about 3AM and then it was suddenly brought up out of nowhere, I'd say this rrat has legitimacy.

>>74871187
I actually know this, but unless someone comes forward from MSM I can’t prove it. But yes higher ups in MSM have been attempting to sabotage 3AM in business dealings ( and apparently that’s illegal )

>>74871333
tortious interference?

>>74871094
Yeah, I was surprised Nagzz is even a part of an agency. I figured he was just putting his marketing degree and experience to use, among other things.

>>74871333
trips of truth

>>74871149
Krimbo? He's one of the biggest losers I've seen become a vtuber. People throw the word leach around but all I've ever seen him do is ride coattails and try to start twitter drama.

>>74871333
Just dump the emails anon.

figures this thread would bring out the sigrid schizo LOL

>>74867224
>no nigger or nigga tweets
boring

>>74871438
No, it's long been a theory that r*da is the schizo

>>74871333
Someone earlier was saying Seth was openly shit talking 3am and Mythic at one of the cons. Would explain split schizo who focuses on them but never MSM

>>74871362
Depends on how they do it; if it's through DIRECT interference then there might be a case, like if it was through blackmail, general threats, etc, but if it's through more subtle and INDIRECT means then it might not qualify.

>>74871333
You're on 4chan, spill the tea

>>74871589 (me)
>>74871333
Also, godly trips of truth you've got there anon.
>Verification not required.

>>74871589
how is their hot sauce company not real when there are literally pictures of people with their grimmi hot sauce on twitter

>>74871386
“tortious interference?” Looks like it but don’t expect Seth to understand that he can’t understand simole law terms like “speed limit” and “valid drivers license”

>>74871643
Might not be a good idea, anon, we've apparently already got other MSM posters here running defense so posting what they know might legitimately get them in trouble.

>>74871333
>i know this but I can't prove it
Nigga this is 4chan, we don't even have proof >>74869165 knows anything either, but it's funnier to believe he's a schizo just like it'd be funnier to believe you. Assuming you're real too, for funsies, so long as you don't doxx yourself with some kinda correspondance only you have access to you're not going to get caught

>>74871687
Because buying something with a label on it is easy but trying to run an LLC when you keep dodging court dates and debt collectors is hard.

>>74871687
Wrong anon, anon, I haven't talked about Grimmi's hot sauce at all in either thread.

>>74871694
>MSM posters here running defense
they should be more worried about Mutahar and other flesh dramachannels catching wind of this than some 4chan posters

>>74871333
doesnt seem so farfetched to me.

>reject meat and coqui
>they start their own agency
>3 AM is actually seeing a lot of success which means that the talents dont really need MSM
>MSM start shit to destroy their reputation in order to make it look like people cant survive outside of them

If you were a rich jew, this is their playbook.

>>74867880
>why
It's a meme

>>74871716
>> so long as you don't doxx yourself with some kinda correspondence
Its probably this, it’s got to be threats
MSM does not sound like smart people

>>74871688
>22mph over the speed limit, driving while suspended.
That's all I needed to see to know that he's trash

>>74871766
No I mean the anyone posting here that's a apart of MSM that's NOT running defense whistleblowing /here/ might get them in trouble, not that they'd be worried about any regular anons /here/.
>Captcha: G4Y28

>>74871688
>Hair: Unknown or Completely Bald
>speeding
Tale as old as time.

>>74871716
Most of what I know I can’t reveal without permission. I know I don’t have much of a case but I can promise you if you knew everything I knew you’d think Seth was a manipulative narcissistic monster and you’d feel actually bad for all his talents who were swindled even the nastier ones. Which is why I’m mostly focused on Seth here and very suprised they would tell on themselves and their secret aggression against 3am by bringing them up along with info only MSM would know.

>>74870828
If you've been /here/ for any length of time, you should have realized by now that you have to wade through triceratops-shitheap-sized Dunning-Kruger talk before you can even begin to hope to find some tiny bit of real expertise

>>74871716
both know things
i know this because i know things from both sides

>>74871896
>eyes: unknown
He has cyclops visor!!

>>74871775
Seth is running this like a cult. He cut MSMs off from raiding or collabing with non MSMs. Threatened them with blacklists. Even at cons he has MSMs stay at a hotel a half hour away from the con, but that might be that his bitch ass is broke and he couldn't really get cons to pay for the talent's rooms. Seems like scientology tactics of cutting people off from friends so all they have is the group.

>>74867689
Girl's in so many different groups that I'm losing count at this point desu

>>74872009
Wasn't Grimmi in a cult before? Don't tell me Grimmi fell for ANOTHER cult. How does this happen?

>>74871775
With insider info I don’t think this is what happened, from my point of view it looks like this…
>2 vtubers get into a petty disagreement
>seth tells one everything they want to hear, blow it out of proportion,
>MSM vtuber now seeths and can’t stop obsessing ,
>seth uses this to manipulate them into helping create a false narrative to turn other vtubers to his “side” like he will protect them
> msm vtubers take the bait and get manipulated and Seth gets new members that believe every word he says
> seth constantly has to work and flare drama to keep the narrative alive , keeps people away he can’t manipulate because they will put him very quickly

That’s how it looked like to me

>>74872009
Don't know if this is true or not; if so then Seth's actually fucked in the head, if not then anon is a MASSIVE fucking fag who requires noose correction.
>Verification not required.

>>74872246
nta but look into his past court cases and all the names and addresses involved and you'll see how fucked in the head the dude is

>>74872192
This is why I don’t care about the LLC, he’s so much worse than that, you guys have no idea.

>>74872326
I tried reading through them, does that case with Perfect Presence LLC mean he had his grandma help cosign the company and then dragged her into a legal battle for $25000? And then none of the parties paid it at the end? It's hard to read.

>>74872459
No his grandma is still paying it, the case doesn’t actually close until she pays in full, and you know Seth isn’t paying for that because he’s currently dodging debt collectors, I can’t believe people let this guy anywhere near their careers.

>>74872571
What kind of person takes advantage of their own grandma like that?
>Weinstein
oh

>>74872571
Dude seriously fucker over his grandma? What a pos

>>74872459
What kind of asshole, Jewish or not, makes their grandma pay their legal shit? Seriously, what a fucking dick.

>>74872009
People collab and Raid with non MSM's all the time. Unless you mean the people "seth okays"

>>74872680
Who's on the MSM blacklist and why?

>>74872459
yup pretty much
none of the debts have been paid from any of the past court cases and thats why more court cases get filed
pretty hard to pay your grandsons debts on a pension with todays cost of living
>>74872571
>>74872643
hes banking that she'll die before its ever close to being paid and it'll get tossed out by accident

>>74872192
So Seth made a mean girls clique out of a nothing burger because Sigrid didn't like Coqui and Meat, and this snowballed into Tob hating 3am, and Lucy being blacklisted by the group because she was still friendly with Meat?

>>74872680
That's PROBABLY what the anon means, if it's not then they're just retarded.

>>74872680
yes

>>74866564
Maryland is a shithole btw.

>>74865884
>guilty plea
is this dude retarded? just defer it

>>74871536
He's too nice and too much of a doormat for this to be true. That theory was probably getting pushed by the true anti-3am schizo.

>>74872758
That’s how it looks to me and I asked myself who would do this and why? Who would be so manipulative and awful? So I looked into this…

“ Malignant narcissism is a psychological disorder in which a person has an inflated sense of self-worth, a need for admiration, and a disregard for others. They experience paranoia, feeling threatened or persecuted without proof, and are aggressive, manipulative, and abusive without remorse.”


Seth sees everyone as pawns he’s been desperate to be famous and powerful since his first failed business venture, clearly from his defaced Facebook he’s learned to manipulate people into giving him money since then he’s been working at that skill, and now it’s his o ly real talent, manipulation and pitting people against one another, vtubing is the perfect space for him to thrive.

>>74872735
Seconding this, except for the "why" part, it doesn't really matter for me.

Also remember that MSM talents pulled out of that Fallguys thing Merryweather was running because Meat was in it. They also pulled out last second of filian's dating game that meat was in. It was like a weird flex that nobody cared about and more just made MSM look like flakes.

The chuubas are going to go through hell once this hits the main vtuber news cycle. They're vicious about black companies since niji...

> MSM (Mad Scientist Media) Talent, one of the largest twitch vtuber talent agencies representing people like Geega, Lord Aethelstan, Nihmune, Yuzu, RPR, and Vienna

I've literally never heard of this group or any of these people. There's no way they're one of the largest

>>74872742
You don't pay court debts for a forfeited company. The company pays it. They seize any company assets. The owner of the company is only liable under certain circumstances.

>>74873089
And a bet you 3am never pulled out of a collab with anyone from MSM because they were MSM because they are not the mean girls Seth’s narrative fmtries to paint them as

>>74873145
Pretty much everyone there are 4views or high 3views, and of the few names I do actually know outside of those ones there's a lot of variety in terms of their spaces on the internet, so that ones just your own ignorance.

>>74873229
Wait where are Seth's comments on this???

>>74866850
Have you seen how many vtubers got scammed merch wise? Seems like a trend among indies.

>>74873148
If the matter was settled that easily then why would the court case still be on open status?

>>74873148
the company pays it with what money
thats right motherfucker
grandmas money

>>74873145
The company is also partnered with very popular flesh streamers like F1nn5ter. So it's technically one of the largest, even if not because of their vtubers.

MSM has been doing a podcast on how to run a talent management company lmao
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2121749264
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2134010597
Somebody save these before they're taken down

>Weinstein

>>74873357
They say some pretty suss stuff in it,

>>74873357
holy fuck

>>74866564
Did RPR become a vtuber?
Anyways excluding him, I've heard of none of these people except for aethelstan for taking the L by impregnating nyanners.
I thought he was mythic.

>>74873503
>Did RPR become a vtuber
I don't know but, while there are vtubers under the company, it isn't strictly vtuber-focused and rather it's streamer-focused as far as I understand.

>>74873503
I don't think so, he does have a vtuber model that he uses sometimes when collabing with other vtubers though.

>>74873357
>Somebody save these before they're taken down
You posted them, should've done it yourself. Now if they get taken down and lost its your fault.

>>74873503
He did indeed become a vtuber, shares an artist mama with Ollie, Vox and Fulgur. Spends a lot of time fleshtubing though.

Where are the whistleblowers?

>>74874070
The ones who would whistleblow are not on 4chan and kept in the dark, can you imagine if they were privy to all the rancid behavior seth does and says? They would have already cut ties.

No seth keeps a tight knit within MSM of people he can easily control , people who are easily manipulated through fear and anger “ oh look that bitch has more CCV than you they were using you ! They were never your friend “ the sane ones are kept very far away from that.

>>74874345
What a rrat

>>74874425
Hang out with Seth at a convention and you’ll get to see how nasty he is, he can’t shut up about everyone else he perceives as a threat.

I bet it was seth doing all those anti mythic threads, lmao what a loser, jealous of a real company.

>>74872735
2bh I think this blacklist rrat mostly came about because sigrid and bird suddenly stopped hanging out with meat and coqui presumably over some disagreement and they left the southside discord and never talked about each other again until one time somewhat recently when Coqui played some Pokemon romhack that sigbird were in and she said something along the lines of wanting to bury the hatchet but I guess sigbird didn't reciprocate, also tob stopped hanging out with CoqMeat too sometime after she joined msm, that's really all I can think of in favor of it

>>74866564
So this thing that like a bunch of vtubers have signed up to is literally just a ghost organization with absolutely nothing backing it???

>>74874548
To be fair though didn't mythic lose like 50%+ of all the backers?

>>74874570
Probably just means they have contracts with the agent directly??

>>74874646
im talking about when mythic came out

>>74874548
a bunch of people i know that applied for msm thought it was mythic

It would be pretty funny if this wasn't a nothingburger this time.
If public information like that was freely available for so long and nothing happened yet imply nothing would ever happen.

>>74874564
Well you have that, you have MSM members backing out of 2 Collabs that meat was announced for, and I know I heard one of the southside mention they all got unfollowed by a bunch of MSM members at the same time making it clear they were being talked about in a negative light, so there is a pretty definitive pattern here.

>>74874710
...Why, because they both start with the letter "M"? If so then I'm afraid the people you know are actually retarded, anon.
>Verification not required.

>>74874564
if you think harder about the timelines you'll figure out a few things that happened
pull up some dates

>>74874745
just because its public information doesnt mean the public is aware of it

>>74874564
Imagine Sigrid being such a cunt that she destroyed multiple friendships and annoyed an autist enough to search Seth's public records imploding a scam corpo.

>>74866732
bro you just made all these names up

>>74874892
considering how she treats bird, who she just moved in with, I can only imagine how badly she treats people she doesn't move in with.

>>74872735
So every member of 3am/South Side is on this list?

>>74874814
It's public that I'm your oshi's bf and cream her every night if you check her rm socials yet you are unaware of it and nothing ever happened yet.

>>74874892
i really think the sigrid stuff here is a mad chuuba schizo. sigrid is really autistic but the “sigrid is a master manipulator” stuff is LOL

>>74874892
I have every right to hate Sigrid but I don’t, I feel sorry for her and I actually dont like it when the thread bullies her because it just makes her insane, she’s completely ruled by her insecurity and self hatred, she’s miserable to herself and it ends up everyone else’s problem. She was easy bait for Seth to manipulate with lies, poking at her insecurity and anger. As smart as she can be she was used like a common farm tool and that’s just fucking sad.

>>74866564
>Lord Aethelstan
>Multiple times mocks NijiEN vtubers for getting scammed by a black company
>Is himself managed by black talent agency
lol

>>74875162
That’s why he’ll never admit it

>>74874996
are you trying to hurt my feelings, seth?

>>74872758
>because sigrid didn’t like coqui and meat

there has never been any evidence for this besides the resident sigrid schizo saying it here

>>74875274
Ask her about meat and watch how she reacts. It won’t be pretty.

>>74875162
A ghost agency

>>74875124
I'm more upset about tob hating the 3am girls. This really ruined my day.

>>74875162
Unless MSN literally owns his channel, I dont think it's remotely the same thing

Meat go to bed and stop astroturfing. We know.

>>74875320
whatever issue there may or may not be between sigrid and meat isn’t my business. people are allowed to have issues between each other; the polite thing to do is keep it behind closed doors which is exactly what both of them have done. only in a fantasy world does every entertainer get along with every other entertainer

>>74875118
Sociopaths and/or psychopathy have been known to be misdiagnosed as autism, anon. So it's entirely possible the "autistic" traits you see notice in Sigrid could actually be psycho or socio traits since they're similar enough. Not that I'm saying they are, just that it's a possibility.

>>74875162
>Is managed by an IMAGINARY talent agency
Ftfy

>>74875413
She not mentally stable either, they are victims from where I’m standing. It doesn’t excuse the nasty behavior but Seth is the root of this entire problem.

>>74875579 (me)
*Sociopathy
A simple spelling error... Wallhi, I'm finished anons.

>>74872758
>>74874345
friendly reminder sigrid and bird used tobs way earlier on when tobs was on her way up
getting called out on it is probably something that caused major tension between all of them

however this is a thread about a guy making a probably dying and barely sane anymore old woman pay his debts

>>74875525
If it was that simple we wouldn’t be talking about it now, but there is black lists and constant shit talk from msm’s owner, and corporate sabotage, so we’ve gone from “behind closed doors” to “lawsuit territory “.

>>74866564
>one of the largest twitch vtuber talent agencies representing people like Geega, Lord Aethelstan, Nihmune, Yuzu, RPR, and Vienna
...literally who?

>>74875828
right but why are you assuming sigrid has anything to do with that

>>74875853
A lot of instances forming a pattern showing Sigrid And Bird are basically where this whole narration started.

>>74875991
correlation does not equal causation

>>74875853
He's a schizo from /lig/.

>>74876031
In anycase might just end up a case where the courtroom decides.

It's actually meat.

>>74876308
She always seemed like she would sockpuppet.

>>74867805
Wrong, Vshojo is a corpo with a non-exclusive contract.

>>74870659
Tobs finally dropped those /wvt/ self posting grifters?

>>74866637
Pay your tax seth

>>74876493
I guess they weren't useful to her anymore.

>>74874014
Got them downloaded in 360p. Going to restart downloads in 1080p now, but I have the low quality versions in case they get taken down.

>>74876350
She is definitely doing that right now.

seth is going to prison

Meat if you see this, kiss me.

>>74876510
Imagine giving money to the government when you are privileged.
You have a lot options to get away when they come after you.

>>74873145
They are only "large" in relation to CCV compared to other twitch streamers on twitch because the vtuber bubble is small.

>>74876616
I wish, he’s more likely to get jumped and beaten at a convention with all the animosity he’s built.

>>74876554
You say that as if Coqui and Meat didnt drop a lot of lesser "friends" from south side too

>>74876676
>expecting a coward to show up

>>74872758
Different insider here: There's 1 detail you got wrong. Meat either went after Sigrid first or felt personally attacked after Sigrid's autism-induced rudeness and nursed that grudge forever. This entire situation is /cgl/-style drama and female pettiness spiraling out of control with hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake and EVERYTHING THAT IS HAPPENING could have been avoided if either of them brought up that they felt hurt and gave the other person a chance to apologize instead of acting like the cattiest cunts on earth. I fucking hate everyone involved and the complete knowledge of this situation convinced me to give up on dating. If I ever have kids they will be rapebabies.

The 19th amendment was a terrible mistake.

>>74876712
They just did a vr collab, but ok.

>>74866845
>"my new model are going to make some of you mad, i live to make people mad."
yeah, i have no sympathy for that antiloli cunt, fuck her, she got what she deserved.

>>74866850
Even someone like geega, I'm disappointed.

msm stands for must scam millennials

>>74876747
There’s 1 detail I have you don’t, Sigrid was lied to by Seth about what Meat did, Sigrid was working with bad information, I know because I tried to sit them in a call together to talk it out and Sigrid screeched at me and stopped talking to me over it. Seth is the problem.

>>74876747
>/cgl/-style drama
Fuck, this is going to get ugly fast, isn't it.

>>74876928
Sigrid is not working with bad information. Meat is a massive bitch for what she did and I hope someone kills her.

>>74876940
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up destroying that group Meat made. It's going to go real toxic fast.

>>74877003
sigrid pls lmao

>>74877003
What could she have possibly done for you to want her dead? Go to fucking therapy.

>>74876928
sorry bird but you could never control her

Every MSM talent deserves whatever misfortune comes their way.

Grimmi and Sigrid especially.
Bird is fine, she's always been the better of the two.

>>74877125
By controlling Sigrid do you mean begging her to stop suicide baiting and abusing bird everyday so she cried to all her other friends for help? Yeah I guess fucking not.

It's know that civilized humans regard others with goodwill on the first contact unless previous experiences, knowledge (e.g. prejudice) or certain very specific factors are in play. Game theory even expands on this by stating that acting out of goodwill first (however, you should also be first retaliatory). Enmity does not naturally happen when meeting others.
But if you want to succeed, a shortcut would be to abuse the goodwill and innocence of civilized people to your benefit.
You are basically a retard if you aren't actively trying to scam, cheat or deceive people.

>>74877034
No, >>74869165 is Sigrid. Not me.

>>74877076
After all of this bullshit I am a domestic abuse advocate and believe all women deserve to be beaten at minimum. Meat's an awful woman therefore she deserves to be killed.

>>74877256
jew

>>74872758
>Lucy being blacklisted by the group
Thats true, shes been cucked out of every sponsorships some others got. (p3, al, game awards)

Is the real legal issues and streamers getting their income fucked really going to be overshadowed by the 3veiw who drama?

>>74866723
We eatin good tonight

>>74877340
yeah because msm thinks they dragged it out, when it would have been dragged out 6 months ago if they were gonna do that

>>74877332
Sigrid has always been jealous of the 3AM girls. She actively went out of her way to blacklist anyone who interacted with Meat/Calli and their adjacent groups.

>>74875118
I'll never forget the time sigrid got mad at bird for some dumb shit she did in Minecraft and then completely ignored everything she said for like 20 minutes while bird seemed despondent the whole time after trying to crack her for a while, shit was so awkward, mega petty behavior

>>74877434
I'll never forget the time that Woozle showed up on Sigbird's stream and played one of his trumpets.

He was kicked from the call and banned from the channel for making so much noise in front of "300 people"

Why are twitchtubers like this?

LOL SETH PASSWORD PROTECTED HIS FAKE COFFEE STORE
https://grinding coffee.co

good morning sunshine

i think i prefer black corpo drama

>>74877256
>Game theory even expands on this by stating that acting out of goodwill first (however, you should also be first retaliatory)
Continuation since I messed up the text.
acting out of goodwill first is good since life and interaction with others isn't a zero sum game like many people believe, and conflict avoidance when outcomes are uncertain or when you lack critical information is good
There were many experiments and studies regarding this, but people nowadays are gullible retards so you can just abuse nature and you will succeed nonetheless

>>74877590
Weinstein, meet Streisand.

Who is Sigrid and why does everyone knows this scandisounding bitch?

>>74877590
you mean the coffee shop where he pretends to be a queer black lesbian business owner while selling your data?
http://web.archive.org/web/20230922050210/https://grindingcoffee.co/pages/ccpa-opt-out

>>74877590
> PoC (black owned), LGBTQIA+ owned coffee shop
Wtf business people can just straight out lie to get some ESG score yet when I try to identify myself as black due to my slighly brown skin tone for gibs and other social benefits I AM DENIED?

I might as well spill the beans but the whole southside vs Sigrid and bird thing started because Sigrid kept being nasty and self centered about everything which most people just put up with, but she kept being nasty to bird and making her cry, with no recourse bird reached out to her friends in southside who some reccomend they split the channel because they were toxically co-dependant, which they said no to, that could have been the end of it there but Sigrid got all twisted up and Seth and her decided that southside for some reason wanted to steal bird away from her even though southside is not a corpo and have no reason to want that, seth keep poisoning the well making Sigrid insane about it and she couldn’t leave it alone it could have ended there but people talk and everyone knows that some MSM people were told not to interact with southside because they were “evil” this includes tob.

Honestly they all deserve eachother.

>>74875274
SigBird has CoqMeat banned from their discord and twitch and vice-versa

>>74868456
Hi geega I wanna lick your feet so bad

>>74877881
>>74877590
>>74877902
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WTF
Truly a jew.

>>74877590
what did you guys fucking do I cant log in now

>>74877988
>for some reason
Going off what was said in >>74872009 it might have to do with Seth wanting to control the lives of the people affiliated with MSM, basically a power fantasy.

>>74877590
Are you sure this happened today?
https://twitter.com/grindincoffeeco/status/1776036233652674787

>>74866845
I just hope she remembers to give the delivery guys the map to her minefield

its too late to try and remove everything seth i snapshotted all of your psychopathic business practices months ago
i am a completely unrelated third party who really dislikes drop shipping and people that make grandma foot the bill

>>74878502
He can try to remove whatever but he can’t get it all and I have a lot of copies myself.

If you were going to be a manipulative psycho maybe you shouldn’t have been so sloppy.

>>74877590
>>74877881
>>74878423
>>74877902
>>74878027
>>74878174
https://archive.md/LessX

>>74878423
no idea, but thanks for showing me that based coffee exists and that they're already followed by some msm talents lmao

The moment Seth gets a farms thread, it will be the final nail in the coffin for him.

I only know these people because they were /wvt/ so im just happy to watch all the drama happen while I stand back.

>>74878793
I don't know any of these people or anything about this company. I just thought this whole thing is pretty interesting.
It's absolutely hilarious that they're actually rebranding blackgaytranny coffee to based coffee.

>>74878726
>Explaining how they collect your data and leading you up to the hope of opting out
>To opt out you must be browsing from California
lol

PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BUY GRIMMI'S HOTSAUCE

>>74878879
I'm sorry Grimmi, you're gonna have to have hotsauce for dinner every day from now on...

IF YOU DONT BUY THE HOT SAUCE MY GRANDMA IS GOING TO BE IN EVEN MORE DEBT

>>74878861
also, archive.org honors takedown requests, archive.today doesn't.

>>74878930
You have to eat ALL the eggs, Grimmi.

>>74878879
I ordered grimmi merch that were never delivered, why would I get her hotsauce?

>>74878862
Seeing how Seth and his closest followers operate, it's probably meant to be some reddit-tier ironic humor

>>74866564
So why they still active if they dont have licent..?

>>74878930

>>74866732
>Grape
No, not the grape. Please tell me these talents will get out of whatever this is a-ok.

>>74879447
grimmi works for this guy?

>>74879434
All of the talent is fine, none of their contracts are valid, except for grimmi who now has a warehouse of hot sauce to sell and no company to do it with

>>74878930
Please stop with the jokes, this is unironically making me heart ache because we don't really know if she really got into some kind of shit while unaware or she's okay.

>>74879504
Yes, proof below.
https://files.catbox.moe/s0b0yo.webm

>>74879550
Dont worry she has plenty of followers to help bail her out of any finacial jam. I mean who could say no to Grimmi?

>>74879447
lol someone forward that to SigBird and Grape

>>74879550
>if she really got into some kind of shit while unaware
>while unaware
I have bad news >>74879635

>>74879504
>>74879550
>>74879639
Is this why Grimmi keeps denying she's a "good person" all the time and has to keep saying she's never committed any crimes?

>>74879645
"I-It's not me my litttle brother used my account"
pr
"I-I've changed I promise!"

>>74879550
There's nothing you or anyone on this board can do about it right now, so there's no point in dwelling on it. The chuubas usually appreciate some humor during times of distress anyway

>>74879696
Nah, it's because she was in a cult. Think Senjougahara.

>>74879550
She might go bankrupt but at least she'll always have hot sauce to drink

Do you think MSM will go through with podcast 3: Growth Strategy, Social Media, Brand/Collab/Artist Etiquette?

>>74879786
You mean her mom, right? Or did she go full Penguindrum and this shit is ran like a cult which is why she relapsed, going by >>74879635 ?

>>74879504
Yeah and she loves working for him https://files.catbox.moe/jfxwz5.mp4

>>74877128
I agree with bird being fine but is she really? She enables sigrid so at the end of the day how can she really be fine?

>>74877502
Thats hilarious next time dont suck up to an evil bitch

>slow news hours after Niji gets kicked out of Offkai
>Now this
Huh.

>>74880021
Bird is hopelessly co-dependant , not very good at taking care of herself and she could have latched onto anyone. I think she still deserves pity.

>>74879504
Grimmi loves these types of men. She loved a racist transphobe allbonesjones.

>>74880199
>ABJ
>any of these
Dude's essentially Vtuber Styxhexxenhammer i.e a hardline lolberg pagan.

>>74879550
I'm going to be level with you: there is 0 chance of literally anyone whose signed on with them paying a single dime for any of the companies fuckups. The saving grace about signing a contract as an outsider that's a literal scam (AKA to a company that doesn't exist) means that you cannot be held legally accountable for any costs incurred.

>>74880109
I was in the /lig/ thread where this story hatched, it was pretty organic if that's what you were thinking, we've had the Seth sperg posting for a while and it was only a matter of time before Sher/lig/ Holmes looked into some of the claims being dropped

I wonder who got grimmi signed up to MSM. Was it heavenly father or sigrid since they are both the biggest people in her streams when she was starting out.

Guys I just got back from the doctor, anaphylactic shock from ingesting grimmi hot sauce, who do I sue?

>>74880377
Of course none of them will get actual financial hits, but in the case of Grimmi at least the general twitch audience will wonder if she actually knew about that shit, given >>74879447, >>74879977 and >>74879635

see you next thread fellas

>>74880632
I don't quite keep up with liggers so forgive me if I've regurgitating a rrat, but I heard Grimmi decided to undo her graduation after hearing a certain corpo was not so great internally. If she's smart enough to realize not enter a burning house, she'd probably be smart enough to spin it into saying she had barely any knowledge or was speaking out of hopes and optimism rather than pure facts.

>>74880779
The only thing fueling that rrat is coincidence and timing, and a joke Grimmi made to Beribug about the rrat. It might be possible, but it's not proven

>>74880779
Or she was convinced by a cult leader to stay with the cult. Which has happened to her before.

>>74880779
It's more likely that she just listen to w/e her "friends" advice her to do instead of doing the digging herself

>>74880587
It's weird how much some people infantilize Grimmi. I know she has her whole "innocent skittish waif" act going on for streams but she's a grown woman. She was ready to drop vtubing altogether before (conveniently) coming back with a hot sauce brand. It's all about maximizing the amount of money in their pockets.

>>74880779
>undo her graduation after hearing a certain corpo was not so great internally
It's not even a rrat at this point. She was having a meltie in her offline chat as the NijiEn drama was happening and her mods were permabanning people for talking about Nijisanji.

>>74880962
She plays it really well seeing as how she used to voice hentai games and videos while claiming to be innocent and hating doing it when people found out.

every vtuber i like is evil

>>74880962
>infantilize Grimmi
She's a cult victim that apparently hasn't been deprogrammed. That disqualifies her from being an adult when it comes to life decisions.

>>74881001
Meltie in what way? Any archive/screenshots?

New thread or are we done?

>>74881404
bake it

>>74881280
Unless some autist was screensaving the offline chat, which is pic related, at that time, shit's lost to time. Even worse if the mods were out in full force.

>>74877988
I'm just gonna believe it