/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>74434025
Anycolor is less than 50 yen from their lowest stock price point in Anycolor's history, and once they cross that, all hell will let loose on there

>>74433042

>>74434105
Cover IS at the lowest they've been since they first entered the market. They're catching some major air time falling this much

>>74434025
nothin personell, kid

>>74434201
Unichads continue winning

>>74434157
Why you lie sister ? Or you are legally blind ?

Do any of you guys hold vtuber stock or are you all just shit flinging over imaginary numbers

>>74434301
>Since they first entered the market
Holokiddies can't read. They need to pay attention to their English teacher more

>>74434025
someone please give paki-chan here the goat analogy again.

>>74434025
From an investor pov, Cover Corp peaked in 2021 and has been riding that high ever since.
>Their biggest talent never fucking streams and only shows up to shill merch
>They haven't debuted any big hits in like 3+ years and just rely on Pekora/Marine to carry the company
>Their most popular recent English talents moved to Japan rather than stream in English, indicating that the English branch is basically an afterthought
>HoloEarth is a fucking joke
>All their other attempts at expansion outside of the blue dorito have flopped
>ReGloss is a mess that they had no concrete plan for
There's simply no reason to buy this company. Being a fan isn't good enough if they clearly lack ambition to grow. Investors only care about making money.

>>74434389
The goat analogy created by a retard pretending like he any kind of valuable economic knowledge? Cover loses more than Anycolor if stocks go do, Cover's shares depends on it being high value and low supply while Anycolor's shares are high in supply so they can afford to dip in value. Basic economy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4_bXpJg-fE

YOU ARE MY SHOOTING STAR

>>74434420
The whole market peaked during pandemic year 2 really. That's when even normies started getting so mind broken they turned to digital connection.

>>74434025
now post Anycolor's stock today, at the same time. I dare you

>>74434105
>>74434157
Vtubing is just kind of over.
It was the hot new thing, but now interest has gone down outside of japan and investors see no future where it can kepp gowing enough to make it worth to put their money into it.

>>74434512
Remind me which one bought back in this equation? And what happened after they did?

>>74434605
Oh nyo, a bunch of suits (note: retards) can’t profit instantly off of a medium they don’t even engage in? The horror!

>>74434580
>Only losing 0.60%
Kek, Holo is objectively falling harder

>>74434025
they can't build 2nd 3d studio if their stock drop again...

>>74434359
Since they entered the market, the lowest point IS their entrance. Anycolor entered at 3.2k yen on 2022 and now they are approaching their lowest point which happened at 2110 yen on March last year

I may not be expert on Math, but I can understand the meaning of "lowest"

>>74434025
You are forgetting that anycolor has diluted their stock and as such needs to be valued higher than it is now, right? Hololive has not borrowed against their stock at all.

>>74434359
Then you might need to pay attention to your math teacher more sister

>>74434605
>>74434568
Pretty much. Vtubing is in decline and instead of pivoting to solidify their existing IP's Anycolor and Cover have both been shitting out new gens and going all-in on trying to recreate the COVID boom even though that's never gonna happen.
I actually had more respect for Anycolor trying weird stuff like their virtual hostess club even though it flopped. Utilizing your existing expertise in the industry to expand into other ventures is the only way forward. Vtubing as "youtube streamers playing video games" is dead. There's just too much competition now.

>>74434680
>Since they first entered the market
Meaning the month where they entered the market was lower and this is the lowest since that time. Have fun in third grade English

>>74434025
I guess those investors finally found out that their most subscribed VTuber never streams at all.

>>74434649
cool. Now remind me who did a pathetic Buyback that instantly got WASTED by their retardation towards a certain Purple Dragon? The same move that inadvertently led to their steep stock dive down the Mariana Trench, so deep that even to this day they are still freaking struggling to recover from it?
Because I'm 101% percent sure that is NOT Cover. Now tell me, which company is that again, anon??

*sigh*
Ahmed, fetch me the goats

>>74434813
Time to stop moving the goalpost and admit things are going south on the investment front.

>>74434813
>My company is just letting their stocks fall so they're better
Kek

>>74434420
Tech developed for HoloEarth can be repurposed for literally anything tho, right? I figured that's the reason they're doing it in house instead of contracting out. No real disadvantage to making it as ambitious as possible, because even if it fails you still have all the r&d. I know fuck all about software development or business btw

>>74434942
You really are retarded, aren’t you?

>>74434648
>Oh nyo, a bunch of suits (note: retards) can’t profit instantly off of a medium they don’t even engage in? The horror!
That's what the stockmarket is about though...

>>74434744
The concerts and events are still doing very well and growing the brand at least domestically. Explosive growth is over though and one day the amount of people they are able to get into is going to be outweighed by the amount of fans they lose to small corpos/indies so the only vector of growth will be increased monetisation kinda like triple a gaming.

>>74434605
Do zoomers actually have any genuine enthusiasm for anything? The only thing you seem to care about is hype and the second the hype is over you abandon the ship.

>>74434912
>Holo still higher than niji
>Niji about to hit 0% unless someone saves them

dang! these numbers must really suck for a corpo that's barely hanging on onto their only reason to exist and are doing a hail mary of events to make sure the q4 report doesn't get the shareholders to violate their every orifice. If only their finances didn't fully rely on their stocks...

What causes the downtrend on vtuber stock market?

This the thread where people pretend to know the stock market while owning no stock at all, no knowledge of the Japanese economy and that the yen has hit a record low?

>>74434975
You didn't understand it right. Let's say you think about investing into cover and see their yoy growth is something like 2%, then you look at companies like cambridge tech. with 18%, where do you invest your money? The vtubing market is developed, there aren't really any new fans to pull in so now it's all about fighting for market share, but the money in the market itself is limited so there is no real growth.

>>74435024
Japan's economy's been kind of shit lately. Cover mirrors Niji in that outside of Niji's extreme drops thanks to the seren shokku. Investors don't actually watch vtubers or give a shit about the company, so they think both companies are the same and if one does horrifically, they bail from ALL vtuber agencies too. It'll take a while to recover from this, but unlike Niji, cover has a fuckton of wiggle room before they start being "unprofitable."

>>74434998
>Holo higher than Niji
Lol, do you know what numbers are?

>>74434971
i don't get it.
>The concerts and events are still doing very well and growing the brand at least domestically.
it's groting and even the growth itself is increasing,
but then somehow it instantly means it's failing right at the very moment and ground for people to bail?

>>74435100
This retard actually thinks Selen crashed Vtubing stock markets! I didn't believe these retards actually existed. HoloEN is falling

>>74435143
>groting
*growing

>>74435029
What do you expect from Nijisisters? They can't even name all the livers in their own beloved company.

>if you bring up Selen, it seethes
Good to note.

>>74435180
oof true lol

>>74435100
>Investors don't actually watch vtubers or give a shit about the company, so they think both companies are the same and if one does horrifically, they bail from ALL vtuber agencies too.
The answer is even simpler than this. Japan's economy being shit means people are spending less money on media and entertainment. This means things like video games, anime, vtubers, etc are all in decline as the average Japanese has less disposable income. Any investor can see this and knows to move their investments out of the entertainment sector.

>>74435029
They don't even know that ww3 threats tanked everything world wide

>>74434322
100% they're shit flinging. The amount of retardation I've seen spewed is comical. No one understands what they're talking about, they just look at the big number and wonder why it changed.
Now If you want actual advice: buy the dip, covers earnings report is due in May.

>>74435029
I'm actually somewhat of an expert

>>74435029
>People proceed to meme about Semen Shockku despite the economy in Japan declining
Learn what grudgeposts are

Outside of developing tech, what makes Cover any different from something like Machinima or Maker Studios?

>>74435159
Hey, remind me what happened around this time, and also what happened a few days later? Surely it's just a coincidence that Nijisanji's stock, subscriber count, ccv, and superchat donations all tanked immediately following feb 5, and then sped up again after the 12th, right?

>>74435066
What I'm objecting to is this line
>Vtubing is just kind of over
You can have a vtubing scene without big corpos and rich investors. I will never get why /vt/ is so horny for empty suits to take over their scene, just look at how soulless esports have become compared to what we had in the 00's.

>>74435287
They do events and get sponsors. That's pretty much the only difference besides shitting out models

>>74434025
To be fair I'm not surprised. Last year was full of events, new projects and announcements.
This year? Almost nothing.

>>74434025
It's over for hololive. It's time to switch to phase connect.

>>74435310
It's over from an investors point of view retard, this thread is about stocks.

>>74434912
admit first that Niji is going DEEPER beyond south on the investment front first.

>>74434025
>No event announcements
>No new gens/members
>No 3D
>No significant HoloEarth updates

>>74435459
Who?

the yen is weak

So, even with a JP market crash Cover is still over his entry (lowest) point of 1359 rocking still a 1743 by 30% (no splitting, no buybacks, no market shenanigans) and "some people" think that is bad in comparison to Anycolor that entered the market at 3255 and split their stock in december 2022 pulling it down to 2750, and then reinvested BILLIONS OF YEN to try and cheat their price, then blocked short selling and still to this day is a whopping 2169 a -33% of their entry point.
I see a great sens of economic literacy here.

>>74435487
Then say "It's over for the investors", saying "VTubing is just kind of over" is simply incorrect.

>>74435630
Is it? Or is it just USD becoming stronger?

>>74435696
>his entry (lowest) point
except they entered the market at 1750
immediately collapsing isn't an excuse

>>74435107
Kek you are one of those
>niji stock more expensive therefore niji=winning
Makes sense sisters are clueless how the stock market works.
Nevertheless cover going private after buying a million dollar studio would be the best for them

>>74434969
Yeah we're saying the stock market is fucking retarded.
It's entire basis is "Can this impossible thing (Infinite Growth) happen? No? Well let's try anyway and fuck up everything possible along the way."
That's how we got United Fruit. That's how we got Corporate Lobbying. That's why nobody can buy a fucking house.
Fuck Shareholders and FUCK the stock market.

>>74435758
Both. AmeriCHADS don't stop winning

>>74434025
Oh by the way there is no favoritism in NijiEN.

>>74435107
Sister we know you can't calculate shit on math. Try counting your fingers first before seething.

>>74434025
SO WHAT HAPPEN WITH NIJI THIS TIME?

>>74436269
Miload isn't doing so well on his birthday

>>74435630
Why don't all these people living in the hell that is the house market crisis just move to Japan?

>>74436460
ACK

>>74436269
All of the EN branch graduating.

>>74434025
cover did not do stock buyback wasting 2 bil yen so their price literally doesn't matter unless you were retarded enough to "buy high" basically
why is it so hard for you retards to understand?

>>74435788
>immediately collapsing isn't an excuse
You say this as if it's Covers' fault that their stock is declining.

>>74435788
K, now post Anycolor's first 15 days

>>74434105
>b-b-but what about anycolor?

>>74436932
I see sisters are still afraid to discuss their embarrassment of a stock

>>74434025
Why you lying? Oh right you are a nijinigger.
>>74436932
You are literally posting a "what about cover" nijidrone, and it's cherrypicked unlike nijisanji's.
Please seethe more sis.

>>74437042
>>74437305
lmao the irony

>>74434769
brainless ape. that number is 1350. do we need to explain it in goats for you fucktard seamonkey?

>>74437531
Do I need to explain what a month is now? Are we regressing to kindergarten?

>>74436505
Because you can't live in Japan without citizenship/job sponsorship and if I moved to Japan and even be able to get a job with a Japanese company doing the same work, my income would go from the equivalent of like ¥11.5M to like, ¥4.5M.

>>74437465
lmao nijinigger seethe this hard

>>74435788
DELET!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

>>74437465
What irony? You've seen explanations about what happened to Cover Corp stock which you often quickly dismiss as "Holocope".
Now I ask again, where is Anycolor's first 15 days?

>>74434605
>>74434744
Yep. These companies will not last 10 years. You've seen it /here/ first.

>>74436909
>Haha, look how Cover stock steadily grows and Anycolor's stagnates
>A-at l-least Cover's stocks is s-stable and d-doesn't fall like Anycolor's
>Y-yes, C-cover's s-stock f-falls now, but at l-least every low is higher than previous o-ones
>Y-yes, C-cover fell lower than all previous dips, b-but it still slower than Anycolor after S-selen s-shock
>Y-yes, C-cover f-alls faster than Anycolor, b-but at l-least w-we are not below our s-starting point s-stupid n-nijiniggers don't know that w-we started with 13 goats and have 20 goats now
>(You) are here now
>I-its all was planned, b-based Y-yagoo doesn't care about stocks and shareholders.

>>74437874
You still haven’t posted it

>>74437874
In the future
>A masterpiece plan by Yagoo. Cover completely collapsed and it was a masterful conclusion to the Hololive saga. Thank you , Yagoo, for this wonderful stort

>>74437874
I love how they use the goat analogy to own "pakis" but they never mention the part where their goats are dying off at an alarming rate. Makes you truly wonder who has more intellect between the two groups.

>>74434568
Unless there's covid-24 or something to make lockdowns happen I doubt it'll go back to that

>>74434025
Thanks for reminding me to check Anycolor's stock today. Going great I see, only 60 yen away from setting a new all-time record, I'm sure they can get there in time for end of Q4

>>74437874
Last chance, post Anycolor's first 15 days!

>>74434420
Stop trying to pretend you know what you are talking about. The investors don't care about any of that shit. They don't watch vtubers and don't spend their time on Reddit and 4chan to follow drama in the vtuber world. Investors only care about financial data. They don't know who fucking Pekora or Gura are. They look at the financials - is this shit generating revenue, is it making profit? Is it growing? Is there more potential for growth? The current stock price have absolutely nothing to do with anything that happens in Hololive or Niji. Is purely the result of financial data, mixed with the Nikkei being on a downtrend due to Bank of Japan increasing interest rates and their new policies. Cover had 50% growth, but underperformed because analysts expected 70% or more, so the stock, which was already overvalued started to correct itself, because is a new industry and the investors have no fucking clue how to treat it, so they treated Cover's and Anycolor stock like the stock of a tech start-up, which is usually fertile land for speculation and overvaluated stocks. Then the Niji drama started and it was so bad that even investors started to notice, followed a week or two later by the Q3 report, that once again had analyst very optimistic, only to turn disastrous, which tanked the Anycolor stock, and it took Cover's stock down with it, because again, is a new industry, Cover and Anycolor are the sole players, so if one is hit, the other feels the shock too. Both are on a down trend now, and Q4 report will set the new direction for the stock value. Now, Cover is undervalued, substantially. But there is going to be anticipation for their financial results, especially as it includes HoloFes. The report comes on 8th May, so is going to go down a bit more in the coming days, as many will wait for the minimal value possible before buying the dip. As long as Cover delivers a good result in Q4, they should be easily able to shoot back to 2250-2300 which is a far more fair valuation. Or even more. Anycolor is expected to have a bad Q4 result, especially for EN. It's already getting shorted massively, so is likely to drop under 2000 after that report. A bad Anycolor report could stunt Cover's ascend too due to shock. Or it would be the catalyst that differentiates the two companies from here on.

>>74434359
>nijikiddie failed basic education
A tale as old as time.

>>74244051
>>74244564
>Cover Corp entered the market at 1300
>Anycolor entered the market at 3200
>Cover Corp being above 1300 is a win
>Anycolor being below 3200 is a loss
>Cover Corp has repeatedly told investors to GTFO when asked to cut costs like talent revenue split and project funding to boost profits
>Anycolor gives their talents a 2% merch cut and has no managers
>Cover Corp spent 18 Million Dollars on a brand new 3D studio
>Nijisanji spent 18 Million Dollars on a stock buyback when it was at 3100 a share to boost it to 3800.. only to instantly lose all of it due to firing selen

>>74434122
Ah, it all makes sense now.

>>74438415
>>74434025

>>74438415
didn't holo spend less on the studio

>>74438497
Psst don't tell them anon.. let the sisters think they're winning

>>74434157
Good thing Cover has no problems going private again. All the finances are directed towards growth after all not profiteering. Niji though..

>>74438350
Where is holocope list anon when such juicy holocopes are roaming around? That's 2323 characters of pure, extra-distilled holocope.

>>74434744
Lol XD I just love it when 12yo edgy kids try to act as analysts... So Vtubing is dead... but there is too much competition now... XDD I don't think you understand the concept of a dead industry. No Vtubing is not dead. Is booming. Is growing to the point that is replacing normal streaming.
And it what Universe is Cover 'shitting out' new gens? They had like literally 2 years between new generations since 2020. 2 years between Myth and Council. 2 years between Council and Advent. HoloX came 2 years after Gen 5, meanwhile HoloX debuted in November 2021 - so is been 2 and a half years since a new HoloJP gen, if we exclude ReGloss which debuted half a year ago. So Cover took plenty of time to solidify their existing IP. And debuts are necessary. HoloEN was in a year-long decline before Advent debuted and revitalized the whole branch.

>>74438415
>Cover Corp entered the market at 1300
>Cover Corp being above 1300 is a win
>>74435788
>Cover Corp has repeatedly told investors to GTFO when asked to cut costs like talent revenue split and project funding to boost profits
Because their talents already get pathetic 360$
>Anycolor gives their talents a 2% merch cut and has no managers
Unlike Cover's 360$, 2% was proven to be a myth and holoprojection by the contract leak

Hey can one of you drop character for a moment and tell me if pretending to be a retarded sister for (you)s is fun?

>>74438765
>2% was proven to be a myth
You got any actual proof or is this just bootlicker projection?

>>74434971
Nonsense. The growth is still exploding, is the direction of that growth that changed. At least for Cover, getting established on YouTube was just the first phase. Now they are at a stage where they are establishing their IP into a multi-media franchise. There is more exposure trough things like music or merch, than just YouTube content. Like, their Concerts and Events are doing just very well. The number of tickets this years HoloFes sold is double that of the last year, and there is still potential for growth as they still had to sell them trough a lottery system due to demand. Next year they could very well hold a convention with over 100k attendants. The concerts themselves also grew. Pekora held a solo live in an arena, with an audience of 14 000 peoples. Their other events and sponsorships have been bigger and bigger. 2-3 years ago, their events were maybe a themed coffee, maybe something in a store, now, they had and entire aquarium run a Gura-themed event, meanwhile outside Japan they had like 4 events running consecutively just in Taiwan alone - 2 cafes, one themed exhibition, and the Gura thing.
Hololive is growing in exposure year after year, and is becoming a cultural icon on the level of Tohou, Miku or Love Live.

>>74438765
>360$
nijisister projection much?
Nijisanji's 2% started when said by one of its own liver, it's not made up or cherrypicked.

>>74435066
2%? Last time I checked, Cover had something like 50%, and the investors were still not satisfied...

>>74434025
so, another drama incoming from nijisanji, sister?

>>74438765
>Still no Anycolor stock's first 15 days
Kek, Nijisisters can't even do something as simple as this and yet somehow they're able to determine that "Cover talents gets 360$" and "2% was proven to be a myth" are true.
Your credibility is in shambles, my advice is you leave this thread now before embarrassing yourself further, for your own sake.

>>74435159
Just you wait for June. Selen shokku hasn't actually happened yet.
>Selen gets the boot in the ugliest way possible
>As consequence of this the ENTIRETY of the western audience abandons Nijisanji
>Sponsors abandon Nijisanji
>Every event and major stream has been a massive flop since February
>This means no profit in Q4
>And guess what that means
But you're a sister, so you're gonna be like those see no evil monkeys.

>>74434025
you are right sis, watch the stock price come around to the lowest price ever, yass

>>74439106
Investors don't give a shit, they only care about money.
Yagoo tells investors to fuck off, while Riku apologize to investors and blames everything on their livers.

>>74438957
The contract says merch cuts depends on the merch and is agreed upon by both the member and the company. So 2% was debunked

>>74434025
(You)

>>74439268
Fubuzilla!

>>74435287
Everything. Machinima and Maker Studio's were like TV channels, but on YouTube. They where a network for content, which they distributed on their YouTube channel. Cover is more similar to the likes of Disney or WWE. They create and hold IP, and use it to create multi-media content and merchandise. The streaming part is just a side of their business, just like WWE has a TV show. But then WWE also sells tickets to events, PPV's, they have movies, comics, documentaries and reality shows, video-games, personalities, and lots and lots of merch.

>>74439349
>The contract says merch cuts depends on the merch and is agreed upon by both the member and the company.
>Members don't even get to negotiate their play button
I'm sure if they want more than 2% they could just fucking ask, right?
....right?

>>74439268
What the actual fuck, they were 6k at one point?

Will Doki trying to commit an hero be the cause of the entire vtuber industry's collapse?

>>74439520
I'll bite. Fuck no. At worst it will topple the Cover-Anycolor duopoly and pave way for indies and smaller corpos to take its place.

>>74435310
>I will never get why /vt/ is so horny for empty suits to take over their scene, just look at how soulless esports have become compared to what we had in the 00's.
Take over what scene again? Dude, Vtubing is a corpo creation. If someone is taking over the scene, is a indie vtubers who do, as they entered an existing market created by suits and companies. Esports in '00s, where literally started by fans, and then suits entered the scene, first as sponsors, and then as the driving force... but I don't get the 'souless' part. I fail to see the soul, in a 100 or so nerds, having an esports tournament, in the basement of an elementary school, in front of a 20-inch TV screen, for a the mighty prize of a $80 Gamestop coupon. That's the definition of soulless - none of those nerds would have been there if a single girl told them 'Hi' in passing one day.

>>74439446
>pave way for indies and smaller corpos to take its place.
This is the same retard that think just because anycolor or cover gone, the audiances will magically watch them.

>>74435296
Yeah man, but it was just a 5% ... it would have been a blip everyone would have forgotten about had Anycolor delivered a good Q3 report. It may surprise you to learn, but Anycolor's stock went down many times before Selen. Like, the current value isn't even the lowest they've been. In their first year, they literally went from +6000 yen per share to 1900 or so, in a matter of 2-3 months.

imagine getting a -1000 growth stock
surely cant be niji.. oh wait it is