/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

https://twitter.com/holomeetxTPE24/status/1782795916644319523

What about Fuzzy?

>>74301304
HOLY FLUFFING SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX edition

I hate you

>>74301339
rabu mogotyan

>>74301339
Fuzzy sex can have the next edition.

>>74301344
For JP cock only

>>74301378
Not as much as Fuwawa and Mococo hate me

>>74301391
>>74301304
Oh my goodness…

Lets keep this thread happy and positive

Odds on thread being good?

>>74301511

>>74301522
Evens... you cursed us... it's Mococoever

>>74301522
The greedy succubi betrayed us for yellow penis.

>>74301324
I blocked that Twitter account. The thought that their first and only holo meet of the year will be with 5 Taiwanese chumbuds who had them as their second choice depresses me too much.

If I don't get a like or youtube heart from them before golden week I'm oshihenning and may as well also suisei bait in a goodbye post or sc.
It's in their hands now.

>>74301654
they were hearting comments or something last night?

>>74301522
0%

OOK OO-
I'm not feeling it today

>>74301522
none until the weekend, then next week it will be worse

Just be patient for 3 weeks
That's all they need

>>74301673
>Isreal
>It's all clique posting on the archive ruffians only comment despite watching live
Jesas why did you tell me.

Sometimes, I wish they weren't so "hungry," for growth and were simply satisfied with what they have now. Or at least I wish they weren't so hyper-affectionate and loving while also being hungry.
They're this horrible combination of super ambitious but also exceptionally loving/caring, which means you'll end up loving them more than anyone and want them to stream all the time, but due to their ambition they won't be.
I get that they're idols, and I support that, but man, sometimes I wish they weren't so GFE/loving.
I wish they were either full-blown idols or just cozy GFE twins. This combo feels brutal when they chase numbers sometimes.

>>74301673
Heart'ing comments that replied to a FWMC comment on the SC reading asking if there were any archive Ruffians around. Naturally even those who watched live shamelessly replied.

>>74301344
no pan fuwawa good

>>74301673

Kiara tried doing Solo JP streams semi-frequently way back when and completely stopped because the only people who showed up were a few JP chickens and a majority of familiar faces who would show up for any stream.

>>74301324
Oh yea today is a homework day for them

>>74301782
oh
who cares lol i thought it was for the vod

>>74301686
/r/ chad ruffian with pitbull head

What are you doing today? No depressing answers

>>74301824
They've got RM things to take care of.

>>74301782
how many were actually vod watchers.
>superchat reading
nevermind...

>>74301873
probably gonna catch up on some anime and unwind a bit after whatever the hell these past 2 days were

>>74301743
you have the best combination a partner can have and is whining about it
please take this post seriously and think about it
it will improve your life going forward
stop having flashbacks of the improve yourself shit is in the past now

>>74301800
Exactly. JP solo streams are going to be 5 random bored JP ojisans and then 900 of the fans that kill themselves and ruin their lives to catch streams live. They aren't going to ever have an established JP fanbase even if they somehow quit all homework and streamed 15 times a week in JP and EN. It's shameless sub baiting at the cost of ruining the stream experience for everyone

>>74301873
Watchin' streamers, playin' darkest dungeon 2

>>74301873
>No depressing answers
Oh.
Work and then videogames I guess, maybe check out some of Shiori's vods.

>>74301828
>who cares lol i thought it was for the vod
It was.

>>74301976
i meant the mengen vod

>>74301973
I am playing darkest dungeon 1

>>74301800
Thats pretty much how it was for FuwaMoco as well, but they'll still continue to try.
The difference here is they're planning on capitalizing on GW, then will increase the amount of JP streams after this in order to keep steady growth with the JPs.
It won't work, but this is their plan.
All they're really doing is worrying their fans for no reason, going back on something they said months ago, and needlessly stressing themselves out by doing something PURELY for numbers.

>>74301955
You don't understand! They NEED to reach 1 million subs by their anniversary! It's important!

>>74301873
I’ve got some work meetings and ongoing deliverables to finish. I’m hoping I can catch up with everything early and play Monster Hunter World. Other than that, I’m feeling like getting Mexican food and keep reading manga.

>>74301976
oh so as an actual vod watcher, if I reply to it this evening when I finish the vod I'll look like an even sadder faggot.

>>74302060
Anon, it is a big deal. That will be the fastest subgrowth since kobo + myth...

>>74301873
Got home from work recently, doing my reps now. Fuwawer please bless me with nihongo chishiki today, thank you!

>>74301741
holy shit it's real

>>74302121
Then why did they waste 2 months doing nothing? It was going to be tight but possible if they stayed the course. Instead they took a massive fucking vacation and just shit down the throats of EN in its entirety. They can't be this retarded

>>74301942
It's not really the best combination cause all it does is make people obsessed with girls who won't be around.
The best would be them either being purely GFE who are satisfied with what they have, or purely idols who want perpetual growth.
The combination is brutal at times and clearly negatively effects them sometimes.

>>74301654
do it. you won't. coward.

>>74302211
>They can't be this retarded
They are.

>>74301800
Ok but Kiara is Kiara, I don't think any holo or even just EN should look to her for success lessons

>>74302211
Could it really be called a waste if it opens up opportunities for them to interact with others? They off-collabed with rissa and now get to off-collab with koyori this week. They would have never gotten the chance if they just stay in NWP.

>>74301304
>FWMC Morning episode 89
>thumbnail illustration @Zeik89
coincidence?

I still dont get why ririka can get away with doing an eigo stream every week while FWMC has to step on egg shells.

>>74302405

>>74302211
literally can't think long term. what do you think being in japan can give them? aside from gura, who among EN have the most sponsorships, official appearances, and other opportunities?

>>74302405
is that his first thumbnail or did they ever use his MGS ones

>>74302060
It's a sub goal they set for themselves. Unfortunately, their move went horribly, and they were off for 2 months.
When they came back, they had a choice to either abandon their goal or go all in.
When they saw GW was close by, they decided NOW was the time to completely capitalize on JP numberfagging in order to reach their goal in the alloted time.
Will it work? I don't think so. All it seems to be doing is worrying fans they've had for 8 months for very little real benefit

>>74302444
>what do you think being in japan can give them
It can give them being in Japan, something they really really want.

>>74301873
you know what? fuck this depressing hellhole. fuck the concern over what fwmc may or may not do or how they'll do it. fuck caring about missing out on events I never had a chance to go to in the first place. I'm tired of it.
I'm buying tickets to offkai
I'm going to work on art and better myself
I'm going to clean my house and get a haircut
then I'm going to buy some ingredients and grill some motherfucking lamb chops

>>74302433
50% ruffians being menhera as hell and 50% fuwamoco (especially mococo) making it sound 300% worse by crying and being all "it's ok if you hate and leave us..." over it

>>74302443
https://youtu.be/0nFQcjUkuVY
they used his art for the final MGS2 stream

>>74302433
guess I'll put it in simple terms for you.
>ririka=runt=no one cares
>fuwamoco=not runt=people care

why do fuwamoco want dead subs so badly?

>>74302373
>>74302444
Moving to Japan is a long term boost no doubt. But if getting 1M in a year was so important why couldn't the move wait until after? They're trying to do everything all at once and they're going to kill themselves and end up doing everything half passed/ incomplete instead of being mindful of how much they can do at a time.

>>74302444
quite literally all of myth. they get sponsorships out the ass just from being so widely known.

>>74302523
Subs is by far the #1 metric sponsors and even Cover themselves care about.
And 1m seems to be a magic number. Not just for the free wish you get, but once you hit 1m the doors to a lot of opportunities, sponsorships and other stuff open up. Other holos have even acknowledged this, like Koyori.

>>74302433
Basically what this anon said >>74302495
It also doesn't help that this is quite a change after 8 months of doing things one way. They've made a bunch of pretty contradictory statements about it, which sucks and they know it sucks which is why they were in tears for 2 hours.
There's also the fact that they seem to be doing it primarily for numbers.
Basically the whole thing feels weirdly cynical and numberfaggy to me

>>74301873
Watching my other oshi play a weird lost media game while eating some goyslop and reminding myself that situations like these are the reason I oshi 3 vtubers at once as a rule

>>74302584
>why couldn't the move wait until after
because fwmc wanted to go back to japan the second they could, no matter the cost

I gotta be honest, most of the time I can barely understand them even when they're not speaking Japanese.

>>74301873
playing etriam

Kek imagine having to learn japanese to watch your english speaking oshi

I don't like seeing such a visible schism in the ruffians. Yeah there was always an annimosity within the fanbase between different ruffians, but it was never on display and at least on the surface the fans seemed unified. Seeing people doom/menhera post on main and the vod comments just feels strange. I understand people can hold opposite opinions and still get along, but the the amount of over reacting I'm seeing on both sides makes me think that if the situation doesn't get cleared up one way or another we'll get cases of ruffians openly calling others "fake fans", "yes men", "antis" outside of here. I'm persoanlly a bit concerned, but I've learned not to let anxiety and fear spiral out of control for things that aren't set in stone yet. So I'll remain hopefuly and supportive until I see the post GW schedules.

>>74302598
>Get 1 mil subs
>Get more opportunities
>even more homework
>Less streams
well fuck me I guess

>>74302523
Cause you get more opportunities at one million subs.
Sometimes it would be nice if they were a but more satisfied with the audience they already have, but oh well. If they were like this from day one, or at least went in this direction from day one, they wouldn't have had that teary discussion with us the other day.

>>74302495
>by crying and being all "it's ok if you hate and leave us..."
This really hurt to hear. They already overreact a lot in public streams so it's a bit hard to tell just how much of that is a more open overreaction because it's a member stream and how much of it is a reasonable fear.

>>74302705
It won't get cleared up because this is exactly what they wanted. They tore the bandaid off and now Fuwawa gets to enjoy the menhera filled climax of the Vzn she's crafted with thousands of lives. She had to wait until they secured the bag and a permanent home in Japan. Now nothing is at risk, they've got the dream and it can never be taken away no matter how much fans or antis rage.

Hi again
Expect a doggy pack post today

>>74302705
There’s already some shitter in the FWMCmorning VOD talking about negative comments will get deleted. If no actual Ruffian does it, then some opportunistic rat will start it.

>>74302247
the two separated is awful to deal with
trust me in this
you want a girl who has this much drive being this much in love with you
you love life will be wonderful if you find someone like these two

>>74302705
It's really just the "I learned Japanese so fuck everyone else" ruffians vs the rest of the fanbase.

>>74302737
>Cause you get
>EVEN
>MORE
>HOMEWORK

>>74302779
That was the most honest thing they said that stream because it's happening. I can't even tell if they actually care though, they still made the decision of numbers over dedicated fans. It's not like they had a gun to their head.

>>74302790
I fucking pray

>>74302705
We already had that one retard on twitter call others fake ruffians and there was at least 1 vod comment saying something similar.

>>74302626
so basically they sacrificed their sub growth to rush to japan, now they are sacrificing their already established audience to try and make up that sub growth by jp pandering. it feels like the only decisions they make are rash decisions.

>EN fanbase pointlessly abandoned for jp audience who won't care
I think I've seen this episode before

>>74302705
Stupid fandom infighting is not supposed to affect the creator. I hope for their sake the protecting your smiles shit is kayfabe and they just do what they want with their content and don't lose their minds over the backlash.

>>74302706
They warned us about this from day 1.
Back when they had no sponsorships, very little recordings and homework. Of course it couldn't stay that way.
They'll have to record stuff, get dance lessons, singing lessons, practice for 3D live appearances, show up at the studio for event streams and official programs etc.

That's part of the idol life. And you do want them to be idols, right?

>>74302790
Please tell them we love them and most of us are just worried about the future. I think a lot of Ruffians just don’t want to be abandoned just like FWMC don’t want us to go. We’re all a little crazy but it’s obvious they care about us.

>>74302903
The baby...

it was inevitable

>>74302845
The rest of the fanbase can literally learn Japanese if they want. It's not a superpower, you can join us any time.

>>74302911
Less streams is not the issue making everyone freak out here. Less streams + talking about going heavier on trying to appease JOP Ruffians is what's setting all this shit in motion

>>74302705
This was always going to be the end result when a group of ruffians made their special hugbox and start boasting as being pillars of the community. Once shit like that happens it's only a matter of time until shit blows up. Tons of fanbases have been ruined like this.

it's obvious they're being targeted right now since antis smell blood. part of me wants them to escalate it to generate more publicity or opportunities to gain more attention/sympathy for the doggos as long they handle it properly. could get bad though.

>>74302584
>>74302894
they're women
there is not a single rational thought going through their head

>>74302911
The issue is whole that was inevitable, they pulled out the knife of splitting the few streams they have the time to do between languages now. So not only do fans get less streams overall, the majority won't even be able to enjoy or watch half of them. It's the stupidest streaming decision I've seen in quite some time.

>>74302911
okay, but why aren't the rest of advent affected?

>>74302705
Yeah, there's a lot of menhera both openly and behind the scenes with people.
They weren't clear at all and made a shitload of people worry because they don't want to suddenly have 50% of their oshis content locked behind a language-barrier. They were so vague, their words could mean anything from "we want to do a JP stream every month like when we started!" or "we're gonna do weekly JP streams, ruffians!"
No one knows, but since they cried, everyone's taking the WORST interpretation of it. And no one truly asked them to clarify in the SCs, so we're left with this cloud that's going to loom for a fucking while.
I'm not sure why they didn't make a post in mengen yet? They have to have read the VOD comments, so they know how fucking confused everyone is

>>74302779
my pain point was
>making you sad may make someone else happy
it goes without saying that JP would be happier with JP compared to EN. the way it was phrased though made it sound like it was really an unintentional fuck you to the current viewers. like saying "it's ok if you don't like it. you're replaceable with a different target audience." I know that's not what they intended but phrasing hurt.

>>74302845
never learned japanese
>>74302705
>already called yesman

in truth is newfag vs holochads

>>74302929
I am going to buy twitter blue to post a massive dump about them forgetting about us if they can't even clarify this misunderstanding. I pray it's a misunderstanding. If it's not and they genuinely intend to switch to JP streamers then it'd hurt but I'd like to know that upfront too

>>74302911
>And you do want them to be idols, right?
I know I'm gonna get accused of being a sister for this but no, not even a little bit and I wish Hololive was just game streamers.
In this case though I know it's their big dream and not something they're doing just for the corp so I can hardly expect them to pander to me. I'll be happy watching them play donkey kong or whatever regardless of stream frequency or language.

>>74302959
>Just learn another language
Some of us have jobs and don't have the time to look at flashcards all day anon

>>74303083
do it. you won't. coward.

>>74303019
They don't live in Japan and they also care a lot less about this idol business
Where FuwaMoco will be having dance lessons someone like Shiori will probably not

>>74302959
And the Japanese 'ruffians' can fucking learn EN if they care. Fuck off with this bullshit. It's insanely disrespectful by fuwamoco but they don't seem to give a single fuck. If japanese fans cared at all about them, they'd be making an effort. Instead fuwamoco are going to go chasing ghosts and dead subs only to find it's not that they weren't aware of fuwamoco, it's that they know and don't care.

>>74302999
let the pillar of the community shit go no one outside /here/ uses that

>>74302782
i see you really toke the "fuwawa playing the ruffians like vn drama" to hear ruffian

>>74303046
>I know that's not what they intended but
They have a few things like this and it's frustrating. Remember them excitedly saying like 3 times how much they want to sing happy birthday to us on our birthday?

>>74303019
FWMC have the highest number of subs in Advent and can speak better Japanese than the rest. That’s why they’re getting so much pushed into them and they accept all of it because they want to grow to unimaginable heights. It doesn’t matter if it’s realistic or not because it’s finally their time to live the idol dream.

>>74302959
Yeah, true, but they probably should have given SOME indication on day one that this was their endgoal, instead of saying it would never happen.
If they said on day one that they plan on increasing the rate of JP streams and doing entire weeks in JP(or at least a majority in JP) then I could have made the decision to learn early on.
But instead, they said they'd never replace and EN stream with a JP stream, and the streams would be extremely rare.

In any case they will still stream in EN every week going forward, its not like a few JP streams every now and then matters that much, besides there'll likely be subbed clips for those who are interested.
Maybe my perspective is warped due to being an Europoor who can never catch their streams anyway, but surely this amount of wailing over such a small matter is uncalled for.

>>74303159
Perfectly fair, I just don't think the JP knowers are telling everyone else to fuck off. We're telling you to join us, it's fun over here, you can watch HoloJP too

>>74303046
>"it's ok if you don't like it. you're replaceable with a different target audience."
I figured this was them saying FWMC doing japanese streams would make themselves happy. Thought in the process of doing them it will make some english ruffians sad.

gm ruffians

>>74303003
The mistake is their own, there are antis raiding but it's a self inflicted angle. Amplifying it will just hurt then even worse because they have no response or clarification. It's a glaring weak point until they make a doggy pack post.

>>74303128
As long as you realize that's on you and hololive should definitely continue this way because for everyone else we already have a lot of other groups and corps then ok

sounds like they were crying the following night before the latest sc reading, how badly do you think they believe they fucked up?

>>74303169
yeah, let's just ignore some of them actively boasting about it. as always, this thread is 60% sisters shitposting, 30% attention whores defending themselves, and 10% actual ruffians who like fuwamoco.

>>74303257
Absolutely, I'm lucky to get as much enjoyment out of Holo as I do for not really being the target audience

>>74303297
It's not like mainly gamer holos who speak English don't exist, Biboo for example is just that.
Of course I'm not telling you to stop loving FuwaMoco and love someone else instead, that's not how it works, just saying not everyone is so idol focused in hololive. Not even in JP.

>>74302911
this is just a norm in holo jp.

>>74303143
And what possible events are they taking dance lessons for at the moment. this whole "them being busy" isn't about later on when they actually 3D, but right now; the now where all of advent is equally waiting for it.
>>74303191
yeah, im sure all those... voicepacks and meet&greets take so much time out of their schedules

>>74303159
>pre GW 809k
>post GW 816k with 500 less ccv
Calling it now. Hope it sets them straight even if it hurts to wish for my oshi's faillure

>>74303262
This is the first time a large chunk of dedicated fans agreed that the thing they were worrying about was worth worrying about

WE MARCH MONDAY MORNING

>>74303039
I agree I think both fuwamoco and the ruffains as a whole need to step back and take a deep breath. This is a classic miscommunication, both parties assuming the worst from the other without any actual confirmation. The reason why I don't think we have a member post yet is simply because they're worried/scared. They're very shy and will avoid confrontation if they can, especially when it involves a fanbase they love possibly hating/leaving them. The truth is yeah Ruffians often are man-children, but fuwamoco are women-children too.

>>74303262
i don't think they believe they fucked up, i think they are just sad people are reacting how they expected. if they actually thought the messed up somewhere they would have made a post clarifying things. which is the biggest problem i think. their mess of an announcement has left a lot of people confused yet they still haven't clarified any of the confusion. which means their contradictory explanation of things is exactly what they wanted to announce.

>>74302911
Tell that Pekora or Subaru

>>74302523
Subs are important. It's the very first thing anyone looking at your channel sees.
Gura still to this day gets an absolutely absurd amount of collabs and sponsorships and opportunities, despite not streaming or caring for her channel much at all, just because she has a very marketable design and tons of subs to pull investors in.
Of course it's fairly unimportant when it comes to "generating revenue by streaming", but the random ojisans sitting on boards in random companies won't do a deep dive and study vTubing culture to decide on who they want for their sponsorship. What matters for them is the very first impression and past success.

They've got an insane opportunity in Hololive and want to make the most of it. That's good.
Yes, getting more popular goes hand in hand with streaming less. That's natural. Look at Marine for the absolute extreme of it where she has so many fucking projects constantly running she can't stream much at all anymore.

I think that schism between the fans about this stuff is unironically the age old western streamer vs idol culture bullshit.
A lot of people, especially the newer fans, are much more interested in FWMC being "there for them" than them "being there for FWMC".
That's exactly the difference in content creator culture. It's perfectly expected and glorified to make sacrifices time and time again to "push" your oshi forward and do anything to get them more success with little regard to yourself in idol culture, that sort of mindset doesn't exist much in the west. Here it's much more about what they do for (You), how they entertain (You), how often they stream for (You), and so on.

>>74303238
I understand JP, I just hate that line of thinking. People chose to watch holoEN for a reason. Cross collabs being in different languages is fine. Main channel stuff in JP? Of course.
Changing the normal stream content language just to appease someone other than your target audience? Frankly really hurtful amd disrespectful. Japan fans have just as much chance to learn as EN fans do. They were supposedly wanting to be the unifying force of EN and JP and could have been but instead they decided to just destroy that completely. Now people in both sides are angry with them and fighting with each other.
You couldn't have chosen a worse way to approach this than they did.

>>74303426
I'm sure they at least realize that moving to Japan when they did hurt their momentum.

Here's what will actually happen
>golden week will be them being part of a lot of holoJP's event streams, marathons etc. and also have their own JP streams
>the two-three weeks after will be a bit more light than usual and have a few more JP streams
>they'll continue having (off)collabs with holoJP, especially higher profile ones like Marine, Miko, Fubuki and such
>they'll do multiple endurance streams on their way to 1M
>they'll reach it just about and cry a lot out of happiness
>JP stream frequency will be reduced again a bit afterwards and they'll stop worrying so much
>JP fans who got into them as of golden week will see some of them leave as they do more and more in English again
>FuwaMoco will now get way more opportunities, sponsorships with big companies, they'll be at a lot more events etc.pp. and their popularity and reach will really increase from there

So really, no need to worry.

>>74302903
Fuck you I liked it

>>74303453
most sane poster

>>74302911
>They warned us about this from day 1.
Maybe not day 1 but they did warn. Right. It's still bittersweet seeing them get so big they don't have time for streams even if they want to
ifthey don't have time for streams and their appearances are tweets, occasional events, occasional streams in maybe a language I understand... what then? Am I supposed to oshihen in the dead time and check back in with fwmc once they have an appearance?

>>74303511
what will actually happen is i won't be membered anymore

>>74303511
>>they'll reach it just about and cry a lot out of happiness
dyrbi

>>74303424
So what you're telling me is that I have to push them not to avoid confontation? I should SC them something like "Hey girls, with the mem stream the other day I was left a little confused by your wording. Are you going to be doing more Japanese streams for Ruffians who only speak Japanese, more Japanese collabs in general, or will things go back to the way they were with once a month-ish Japanese streams?"

>>74303453
>A lot of people, especially the newer fans, are much more interested in FWMC being "there for them" than them "being there for FWMC".
People unironically say FuwaMoco are their oshi and then bitch about them moving to Japan for more opportunities

>>74303262
I don't think j they believe they fucked up, they cried because they're seeing the consequences of the decision they worried about being a reality. If they regretted it they'd have said something. They fully intend to jump headfirst into JP and nothing the VOD comments say will change that. It's numbers or bust.
Personally, I'm not touching any JP streams. I'm just one person but I don't want to contribute any views or interactions to that content because it's actively going to ruin their channel through the fighting and divide it brings. I hope they course correct but if they don't, it's their choice. I had a good time.

I haven't read a single post itt

>>74303511
These aren't the actions of genuine people. These are the actions of ambitious and manipulative entertainers that are more concerned with numbers then their fanbase.

>>74303424
I don’t like confrontation either. I still haven’t posted a vod comment because while I’m concerned, I’m mostly concerned about their mental state. They’re fully grown puppies who can handle themselves but they started crying just talking about the future. I don’t want to pile on with a poorly worded comment.

>>74303447
Tell them what?
Each holo works differently.
Someone like Koyori can appear in a shit load of events and collabs and still outstream everyone else like a robot.
Meanwhile other holos will be too exhausted after having 2 hours of dance practice in a day and then that day is a write-off with no stream.

>>74303453
Yeah, well put. FuwaMoco want to be more like Myth in terms of success, they don't want to dwindle along like Promise. No offense, I like some of them, but they have very little reach and media presence in comparison.

>>74302911
They did warn us, but they gave no indication they'd also increase the rate of JP streams.

You have one minute to explain to me how they're going to reach 1m subs by August.
Go on, I'll wait.

>>74303625
based

>>74303159
jp fans dont demand jp streams. its fwmcs decision. you act like fujoshit who never criticise their oshi even if hes dead wrong and throw a fit at others. your brain rots and must be a niji fujoshit.

>>74303511
>they'll reach it
this is actually impossible. any chance of them hitting 1 million went out the window once they stopped streaming and no amount of jp senpai shilling will get them to 1 million by august. the only thing that could possibly push them there in the time they have left is a viral original song, but despite really wanting to make music they really haven't shown much indication they are focusing on making original music.

>>74303642
I expected that based on them wanting to live in Japan again
Moving to Japan => Way more opportunities for offcollabs with holoJP and way more chances to be invited to event streams, studio official channel streams etc. => More JP content

>>74303641
SOME HOLOS ARE FAT YOU FUCKING FAGGOT

why are they numberfagging so much
who cares

>>74303673
sloppy bj asmr

>>74303711

>>74303511
I'm going to screenshot this and see how much of this comes true or if it sours

>>74303673
Take out a loan, hire IOSYS to make them a meme orisong+MV, hope it goes viral.
Bam, 2m subs by August.

>>74303732
I was thinking about her…

>>74303453
They are streamers and idols mixed into one. This isn't the old game they played way back when of doing a 10 minute stream online once or twice a week and going to a concert to sell tickets. They HAVE TO play the streamer part as well or risk losing a lot of capital and investment. Kiara nearly broke herself for her album release, both money and mentally, but she still streamed a large portion of the time because she knows that the money won't come for most Holos if you aren't active.
There will always be some trickle in, but you can't be ambitious and want to do a ton of stuff that costs money and live off of once a week streams + special events.

>>74303673
Sloppy bj ASMR marathons that for every 10k subs turns on a irl foot cam of them playing footsie under the desk for 1 minute. Fire mane-chan, and hire me.

>>74303673
JP solo/collab/event spam + covering big meme songs that everyone likes.
At least, this is what they think MAY work. The JP spam will just serve to push away their core base.

>>74303511
There's no chance they hit 1M by the anniversary. They killed that with the move and this fuck up doesn't help.
They are going to be too busy to stream which, surprise, is a big way to get subs. And they refuse to do shorts. It's telling they'd rather abandon an entire fanbase to chase numbers than put out a different format of stream and video. They actually hate EN fans

>>74303673
ask kiara botters to bot their streams instead

>>74303699
The problem is timing. They should have waited another year or two to get established before uprooting and moving back to Japan.

>>74303511
>they'll reach it just about and cry a lot out of happiness
Not a chance unless you somehow manage to randomly appease the algorithm gods through some miracle. Anyway, FWMC, why didn't you outline this plan in the very stream intended for that purpose and instead cried about some people maybe not wanting to watch stuff they don't understand airing at terrible times?

>>74303673
1. Ask the most popular holoJP to collab with them for visibility
2. ASMR
3. Appear in official channel streams
4. Take part in a lot of big collabs (such as the golden week event collab streams)
5. Release an orisong on the meme level of at least Mogu Mogu, ideally Loli Kami (ok maybe not)
6. Do endurance streams for 888k, 900k, 950k and 1M

I want to tell them this directly but I never will
I love you both so much but you frustrate the fuck out of me sometimes.

>>74303699
Yes you can expect it, but their words said otherwise.
At most, I expected more JP collabs, not a potential entire week in Japanese coupled with higher frequency of JP streams in the coming days

>>74303159
>And the Japanese 'ruffians' can fucking learn EN if they care
what's sad is that nip ruffians like asuca and duckbro are actually making that very effort to not just to attend fuwamoco's streams and understand them, but also communicating with english speaking fans. duckbro even goes so far as to look out for english fans whenever fuwamoco decide to tweet something in japanese. so yes, i don't buy into the "just learn japanese bro" argument. this is holoEN. holoEN is what fuwamoco signed up for. holoEN exists for people who don't want to have to learn japanese to understand any of the JP holos. wha the nips should be doing is either trying to learn english for themselves or fuck off and choose from the 6 holoJP gens there are in addition to regloss

>>74303640
I'm going to post today. My comment will be the one that makes them post the doggy pack clarification.

>>74303808
The true TGFE

>>74303673
>JP 100%
>VERTICAL STREAMS
>NO HOMEWORK DAYS WHILE STREAMING FOR JP
1 MIL LETSGOOOO!

>>74303808
Welcome to actual adult love. It's blessing and a curse.

>>74303694
Are you retarded? We're arguing the same thing. I'm saying fuwamoco are trying to cater to people that don't even care or want to be catered to. You can't force them to watch no matter how much you try. They seem to think streaming in Japanese is going to instantly bring them a ton of permanent japanese subs

>>74303759
Sorry but you can not compare Kiara and FWMC's situation. Like at all.
Also it's absolute lunacy to seriously think they will scale down to 1 stream a week, that's clearly not going to happen. They just most likely won't have the time (or energy more likely) to keep doing 10-15 streams a week like they were doing before the move now that their off-stream workload is increasing.

>>74303808
>I love you both so much but you frustrate the fuck out of me sometimes.
so... someone like a girlfriend?

>>74303833
you forgot gen 0

>>74303808
>I love you both so much but you frustrate the fuck out of me sometimes.
This literally defines being a parent.

>>74303799
1. Holomem are busy
2. Don't see it happening
3. Hasn't helped so far
4. Big collabs have been scarce so far, but there is whatever event happens during golden week
5. Not happening any time soon
6. Might work

>>74303673
Grifting the fans that made them for shitters with a passing interest. Works every time

>>74303828
I'm sure it will mostly be collabs anyway. I watched that whole segment twice now and people misremember how they worded it a bit. To me it definitely sounds more like most of those JP streams will be collabs and only some will be solo streams.

As for golden week, that's a special one off week. You need to know that holoJPs do a lot of special event streams in that week and they'll try to be in as many of those as possible I'm sure.

>>74303759
Kiara is a western style streamer though
She fits right in with all the Twitch e-girls in how she acts and the kind of content she releases

>>74303673
The real way is to spam vertical streams/ karaokes and use their money to get an orisong + big meme covers. Play buff games ONLY and reach out for big collabs.
Spamming JP solos and GW isn't going to work and will just end up frustrating them and their own fucking fans.

>>74303159
Not to mention that it's infinitely easier to learn English than Japanese. Kanji killed billions.

>>74303511
>They will stop streaming at good times for fans who have been around since the start
>They will slowly bleed out fans who were extremly important to both their original growth and money
>They will appeal to a small subset of JP who want a new toy
>They will then kick those JP to the curb when they get their 1 million sub goal.
>They will come back to half of their old viewership, SC amount, and ravinous merch buying crowd.
>They won,'t be able to fund ambitious projects they want to do as idols.
I just want to remind you idiots that Cover doesn't pay for jack shit. The EP they want to put out? Out of their pocket. The albun they want to release? Better have a chunk if change saved up from those SC and merch sales. The sololive they want to get? Fat chance as not-Mori/Gura and not Japanese.

>>74303927
>Fuwawa on Discord in her DMs to holoJP: "I-f you collab with us I'll let you touch Moco-chan's pussy...."
>"OK YAKOSOKU ZEHI ZEHI IKZ!"

>>74303833
I feel really bad for them too. FuwaMoco basically ignored their existence and said they don't value them in this stream. If I were a JP bro studying English for fuwamoco I think I'd be heartbroken by this

>>74303673
demonic ritual where they sacrifice EN ruffians for exposure

>>74303808
kek same stop being so fluffing vague. I want to be there to support you and talk about it but I cant if I dont know shit

seems like a tough time to ask but i'd like to do something before i get to the grind of being productive
does anybody wanna play L4D2? thinking of this custom map https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3115675033&searchtext=maps

>>74303453
Good post.

>>74303808
They really are my girlfriends…

>>74304031
Should EN fans who watch Haachama, Lui, Sora, Ririka etc. be heartbroken over them doing streams in English?

>>74304031
They've got 40 other JP members to choose from, they'll be fine.

>>74303792
>They should have waited another year or two to get established before uprooting and moving back to Japan.
They made it sound like it was now or never for moving, I believe them when they say this but I have a feeling their reason for it being now or never is purely a mental thing.

I will write them a song that will be an even bigger hit than lolikami requiem and they'll release it in May

>>74304110
>They made it sound like it was now or never
Just like they have to get to 1 million subs by their anniversary? They're doing this to themselves.

>>74304093
You don’t choose your oshi. There’s a reason why they’re trying so hard to learn English instead of just watching some JP holo.

>>74303930
If it's all collabs, then yeah, sure, that's fine... I always expected more JP collabs. I just don't like the idea of them doing solos on top of everything else for GW, especially if they don't also do at least one EN stream on those same days.
All the JP events should be later in the day, so I dont see how they couldn't do it?

>>74304145
yes please we need that

>>74304008
so you're trying to tell me the golden geese of Advent that are like number 5 in all hololive sales don't have the funds? the same girls who have the poorfag mentality and buy the cheapest shampoo, make rat king tea, and had like a 30 dollar meal or so and considered it very luxurious?
I'm sure there are reasons for not releasing music. funding I can't see as one.

>>74303673
They can do an endurance stream to sing rebellion 100 times. Kanade did it for shunka heartbeat and gained 10k subs from that.

>>74304110
It was not now or never, they're mentally ill. At least not in terms of hololive. They could have hit 1M in the NW passage and then moved with more planning. They've never shown themselves as ones who do any actually planning. It's all vague ideas and spur of the moment actions.

To be fair there hasn't been any real growth in the English vTubing scene for years now. HoloEN is the biggest fish and everyone else is meandering along. And even then even the biggest HoloENs are at their very best at the level of an average JP Holo as far as numbers go, honestly they are closer to below average.
The English market is very saturated, while the existing demographic is very limited, so attracting new viewers is hard.
If they want to grow quickly then yeah, it'd be MUCH easier to tap into the significantly bigger Japanese demographic then try to pull completely new people into vTubing that have had little interest in it so far.

>How do we reach 1 million subs FAST?
>I know lets split up our already limited resources to enter into an even MORE competitive market
You can take the 2view out of 2viewdom but you can't take the 2viewdom out of the 2view

>>74304047
sorry, Anon, I'm actually about to go to bed.
>it's morning
I have a terrible sleep schedule...

>>74304090
>Should EN fans who watch Haachama, Lui, Sora, Ririka etc. be heartbroken over them doing streams in English?
Those girls didn't say that they're ONLY doing EN streams for subs. FuwaMoco literally did, which is why they talked about it during their "ONE MILLION SUBS" goal. I know they like speaking in Japanese, but they talked about JP streams in the absolute most cynical way possible

>>74304159
>>74304223
I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just saying that I believe that they believed it was now or never. I know my wives are menhera.

Honestly, they, especially mogogo, is probably in a bad mental space right now due to dempagumi graduating. That + the aftereffects of migraine is probably killing her.

if they want more subs fwmc should play some fomo games. gotta chase trends if you are going to numberfag this badly

>>74304145
It's the animation that made that song famous though.

>>74304169
I hear you.
I do think they are right to go for maximum visibility through collabs, but doing a lot of those would also mean it's fine to not add extra JP solo streams on top of that. The collabs will do them better anyway. They'll gain a lot more from being in a collab with Fubuki, Miko, Marine, Pekora, Watame etc. than from solo streaming suika game.

>>74304234
>If they want to grow quickly then yeah, it'd be MUCH easier to tap into the significantly bigger Japanese demographic then try to pull completely new people into vTubing that have had little interest in it so far.
This would be true if they were Japanese but they're not so they'll never get the same opportunities. At best they'll get mascoted like Gura.

>>74304258
>Those girls didn't say that they're ONLY doing EN streams for subs.
ririka did...

>>74304258
It's kinda wild hpw it was paired with that. How else were we supposed to take it, especially when they said 'And when things go back to normal, iif you want to come back, we'd be happy'.
What the fuck?

soundpost fixer, if you're there. I fixed your script and know it works 100% of the time (I think)
replace the line
'.fileText': 'textContent'
with
'.fnswitch .fnfull': 'textContent'
That way you avoid infinite loops!

>>74304294
we need bunny garden, numbers will explode

>>74304258
Maybe holoJPs didn't say it so blatantly, but I was 100% aware of multiple of them pandering to me with some EN streams solely cause they wanted my sub. Suisei, Chloe for example.
And I'm ok with that cause I like cute broken eigo so I watched and enjoyed it anyway, their English karaokes were kino.

>>74304294
You mean fotm games.

>>74303511
You want to be a fan of someone who uses another set of a community to gain subs and then they drop them when they got what they wanted out of them? Sounds scummy... I hope that's not what Fuwamoco are doing here.

>>74303673
others have posted good ideas already. i'll add doing something similar to Coco's Reddit Shitpost Review on top of spamming JP collabs. they can act as a bridge for JP and EN, and this could get them more JP fans while solidifying their EN status. not sure if they can handle it well though (they're not the first ones to try), but they can certainly put their own flavor into it.

i still don't understand fuwamoco's fear of excluding any of the nip ruffians though. whenever a japanese ruffian decides to speak up in chat, fuwawa reads them 98% of the time. and whenever she does, other japanese ruffians follow suit and it practically becomes direction interaction between them and fuwamoco. not only that but fuwamoco make it abundantly clear both on streams AND on twitter that they're nip friendly. hell, the ruffians' pilgrimage to mister donut made it to yahoojp news so many japanese people have heard of them. fuwamoco go on like sprees for nips all the goddamn time. their reasoning makes absolutely no fucking sense

>>74304355
i have watched peko, miko, polka, matsuri, nene+polka and fbk+okayu so far. it's been great seeing how each holo react to this game.

>>74304296
we have enough ruffians artists for it

>>74304321
That all depends on Cover.
If Cover sees high market potential in them they will obviously push them and get them more opportunities, they've already shown plenty of interest in that.
They are a business, diversifying their revenue streams is extremely important. Laying all your eggs in one basket and all that.

>>74304294
they didn't want to upgrade their PC setup before the move to japan.

>>74304310
That'a the crux of this whole thing. They talked about wanting the JP Ruffians to get to know them better and seperated that from the line about collabing with JP members in Japanese.
Just say 'Yes we are planning on doing more frequent JP solo streams for JOP' or 'No, we meant that we planned on doing more JP collabs and that JOP streams would stay about the same frequency'.
Done. Everyone gets the answer they're looking for.

eating a fat sandwich outside while the birds are chirping. the wives love me. life is good

People asking why they didn't keep their sub/stream momentum rather than hurridly moving to Japan the first chance they had don't understand their mentality. You're approaching the situation logically, not from the position of two menhera hags who never thought they'd get this oppotunity. They 100% believe that this dream of being in hololive won't last forever and somehow it will be snatched away from them, this is based on their lived experiences. They're like a starving stray cat who you've rescued. It's now safe and has a source of food, but it doesn't know that, it's instincts tell it that this won't last forever. So it'll gorge itself on food and make itself ill. All you can do is be there and slowly convince it that it's safe now.

>>74304419
If they off-collab with migo for that, it will actually be funny.

>>74304383
Of course not, that's why they plan on having weekly JP streams to capitalize off the momentum they'll gain with GW. Splitting the community always works out great.

>>74303833
The "just learn japanese bro" argument is a pragmatic one. If you think you can convince them to about face then by all means, but if they choose to go half-JP (or more) your options are reps, leave or seethe and I think reps are obviously the best of the three.

>>74304375
ye my bad, although i guess it's a fomo of fotm

>>74304383
A lot of holos have pumped&dumped that way. Sorry man idol business is tough and getting to 1M is just so important for them, it'll literally be a game changer.

I don't think it's great but I'm ok with them going for temporary subs which will then be dead subs later on.
Hell look at Gura with her ~4.5m, look at how many of those are deadsubs. Or Mori's.
And yet both get insane opportunities and merch and shill stuff.

Honestly, FuwaMoco should be grateful there weren't any nips fluent in English watching the members stream. During some points I kind of felt bad for the nips the way FuwaMoco were talking about them as nothing more than a means to make a number go up.

>>74304419
I kinda wonder why no EN has played this yet.

For those of you who followed them before they were locked up, how much has their success changed them, if at all? Was there ever a stream where they were obviously uncomfortable or overwhelmed by the number of eyes on them, or have they taken their post cell success in stride.

>>74304254
all good, suppose ill play a bit of yakuza instead

>>74304466
I'll just leave. I'm not going to put in work to be entertained, that's their job.

>>74304294
They'll do it their fwmc way praying 200k japanese viewers will give a shit about 2 gaijins in a different branch over the whole of fucking hololive during their biggest week of the year

>>74304495
True but I also felt a bit bad for myself cause you could have also taken that whole thing as them wanting new ruffians more than the old loyal ones.
Really everyone lost with how badly they worded things. They need a PR manager.

>>74304504
Is there an english version?

>>74303511
>the two-three weeks after will be a bit more light than usual and have a few more JP streams
This is literally the one thing I don't want, but I know it will happen based on what they've said.
I don't know why they're going about this in the single most frustrating way possible while not communicating their actual intentions for the future.
Just tell us if you want to do weekly JP streams for a while... and tell us HOW LONG you think "a while" is. You said it's okay to leave and not watch, but you weren't even explicit about anything at all.

>>74304504
bae is playing it in a few hours

>>74304273
I hear that. It's why it makes me feel like shit even speaking out against them. I really want to say I'm excited for the change. I really do. I hate hearing either of them cry. I hate hearing their voice ragged in the super reading stream from potentially crying. But I'm not excited and it's a disservice to them long-term for me and others to lie. It's a shit situation.

>>74304514
No real good comparison. They got nervous when people showed up for the 10k karaoke, but otherwise there's no real way other than graduation that they wwre sweating like this.

>>74304504
Probably perms.

>>74304561
Yes.
>>74304578
Of course it's her lmao.

>>74304559
never thought id say this about them but i honestly hope its a spectacular fucking failure and they get hardly any subs. just so this shitty idea stops dead in its tracks and we can have them back
theyre already so massively successful, this is just a really frustrating slap in the face

>>74304617
I don't watch FOTM, is it some kinda hehe lewd thing?

>>74304587
You need to learn when you're being emotionally manipulated, ruffian.

good time to do reps

>>74303673
S H O R T S
Heck they got like 5k in a little over an hour on the suika game because it appears on shorts

>>74304458
Well it won't. Nobody sane would bet on Hololive being there and highly successful for the rest of their worklife.
A lot of the JP girls have talked about the "what comes after", quite a lot of them have been very open about saving and investing so they don't have to go back to living at their parents' place the instant it comes crumbling down and trying to make industry contacts so they have fall backs and won't have to go man a konbini register since their CV is fucking worthless for any "normal" career after years of vTubing.

>>74304458
pretty much this. but spoiled zoomer paypigs won't understand that mentality at all.

>>74304495
that's basically what they were getting at when it comes to jp ruffians, which really dampens what they say about ALL ruffians being important to them. they cliam to be really hungry and believe that to reach that 1mil goal as early as possible is through nips. and then once they achieve that goal, the nips they accumulated will be forced to endure more english streams when fuwamoco decide to return things to normal

it's probably not intentional on their part, but it's nevertheless fucked up

>>74304567
>You said it's okay to leave and not watch, but you weren't even explicit about anything at all.
And that's the issue. If they put down a real timeline for this shit, people could actually make their choice. As is now, no one will leave for golden week but we're left wondering what the fuck the future of FuwaMoco is.

>>74304647
maybe. pekora started the trend and its ecchi not full hentai, it's a fun silly game

>>74304488
I just don't understand why they're so pressed about doing it before their 1 year anniversary... 1 million subs for Holo is child's play they just have to be patient because now if they don't reach it before that date, were the means to an end worth it? They'll probably feel awful for making ruffians worried for something that they couldn't even accomplish

>>74304408
Seriously. They bend over backwards to include the JP fans that make an attempt to follow them. They read them always go on JP tangents mid stream, like nearly every JP egosa post on Twitter, send multiple JP tweets.
Appreciating the fans that make an attempt is nice. What they are about to do is the completely wrong way of going about it. They were building a nice spot in JP dedicated groups there's a pretty active community for fuwamoco and even they are confused by this. They like them because they're English fans of Japanese culture. Changing to using non native broken Japanese to talk about Japan kills the reason those fans were watching them...

>>74304647
Only a little lewd

>>74304587
Made it worse for me. It felt...disingenuous. Like I was just getting played. Made it much harder to accept. Was it just me?

>>74304754
I dunno, have you seen Promise? They don't want to wait 3 years to get there

>>74304754
>I don't understand why they care about that specific date
watch streams

>>74304466
>your options are reps, leave or seethe and I think reps are obviously the best of the three.
nta, but yeah, I agree. It just would have been nice for them to have given us this ultimatum on day one.
Though even doing reps won't change the fact that the JP streams will be at JST, which is fine for the VODwatchers and for some in their TZ, I guess.
Man, I just wish they gave this talk 6 or 7 months ago rather than IMPLYING a massive change in content for the foreseeable future

>>74304754
>1 million subs for Holo is child's play
Anon, half of Promise havent even achieved it. Is actually not that easy to reach 1M in this day and age.

>>74304408
I don't like typing this but they probably want some JP fans that are just as passionate aka gachikoi

>>74304657
Even if they're 100% genuine, you need to learn when to harden your heart and put your foot down. You don't just give your kid infinite candy in exchange for crying, and these are adults, hell they might be older than you.

>>74304690
>the nips they accumulated will be forced to endure more english streams when fuwamoco decide to return things to normal
theyll just leave, jungle monkey

Are there any edits like this for FUWAMOCO?

>>74304466
I'll leave. This is a hobby and if my oshi doesn't even care about my time, why would I give it to them any longer?

>>74304852
kys

If turns out that Mane-chan was the one responsible for suggesting/pushing this and causing them so much grief then I'll anti her so hard it'll make what happened to Omega look like a fucking joke.

>>74304784
fwmc actually have a decent mindshare in the jp sphere, the whole holo fans going to mista donut during holofes was crazy. it doesn't translate that well to sc or subs, but i don't see the need to chase 11's for dead subs

>>74304852
this but make it the ruffians so we can act like the beaten husbands we are while being neglected
meanwhile JPchads walk off with our women

>>74304754
>1 million subs for Holo is child's play
For HoloEN and ID it really, really, isn't. Not anymore.
For the JPs it comes naturally before long unless you are one of the least popular girls in the agency, but that's not the case for the other branches.
Even ignoring subs the most popular HoloENs are just barely at the level of the lesser to medium popular JPs numberwise.

>>74304690
Not to mention we still don't fully understand how much JP pandering they intend to do, if it's just collabs in Japanese, or if it's going to be frequent solo streams in Japanese. And if they do burn some of their audience doing these things, who the fuck are they going to 'return to normal' with? A shell of their former viewers?

>>74304886
>>74304897
Suzu probably does egosurf abit and notice they have some mindshare among the JP sphere.

bau bau...

>>74304814
well if promise streamed regularly and had schedules, beside bae, they would have gotten there awhile ago

this fanbase is so horrible. now its just a nest of eop ironic weebs who hate japan. pure reddit.

fuwamoco have a lot of japanese fans. some of them just don't donate (like some of their more loyal regular english speaking gachikoi fans) or speak to them in chat but they are there. it's weird how they recognize that there are a lot of ruffians who prefer to be lurkers (i myself being one of them for a good while) while at the same time believing they haven't really done a good job at extending their hand out to the japanese because you don't really see them talk in chat. whenever they say something in japanese on stream, they usually start appearing like flies. they're there but what it sounds like what fuwamoco want is for the chat to be just as much in japanese as it is in english

>>74304958
tourist, fauna was the ONLY consistent streamer carrying all of EN on her back for 2 years. fuck off with this revisionism

>>74304820
Or hell, let us know the gameplan before the move. If you want to do reps, you'll get working on them with the free time.
>Why weren't you anyways
Because I didn't expect any huge changes like this.

>>74304408
It's because for some reason, they think the JPs don't know who they are, despite the fact that they're probably more aware of FuwaMoco than most other EN girls at this point.
Their JP solo streams always did decently, but never resulted in a massive change in their viewership demo.
They don't seem to truly understand that the JPs will watch their JP streams, but they won't watch anything else if it's in EN. They think if they increase the frequency of those streams, it'll be enough to bring them in and KEEP them, but the only ones who will stay, ironically, are the westaboos like duckbro who WANT to learn eigo.

>>74304958
Anon, the one from Promise who streamed the most regularly has the least sub now. I am not shitting on anyone, but reaching 1M requires a different approach.

>>74303808
>I love you both so much but you frustrate the fuck out of me sometimes

>>74304861
>>74304524
Okay then? This isn't an airport, you don't have to announce your departure and there's no reason for you to get mad at people suggesting you do reps if you're not that attached to fwmc anyway.

It's crazy how you can actually sorta discuss this thing like adults now without the resident 2-3 antis spamming on cooldown

This has to be the least shit thread in days, there's only a few shitposts even.

Even though I've been doing reps that doesn't solve the issue at all. The streams will still be unwatchable live because of the time slot. And if I'm already watching it after the fact I may as well be waiting for a translated summary or clips of the best moments. Hearing about 'all the fun we had in JP streams'on fuwamoco morning after the fact was not the reassuring statement they thought it was. How can they be so out of touch with what it means to be a fan?

>>74305070
I mean we do want them to succeed.

>>74304843
You mean like the EOP who are a core of their audience will leave if they go hard post golden week?

>>74304967
>this fanbase
but there's only 30 people here on average

>>74304936
They've already burned a lot of people by implying that EN (and by extension EN ruffians) just aren't enough for them. Whether the GW gambit is successful or not they've already revealed themselves as unrepentant. numberwhores. If that's what you're looking for in an oshi then ok.

>>74305061
The romance was always there...

>>74305068
You specifically asked what we'd do. I'm sorry I thought you were asking an honest question and wanted to discuss. My mistake.

>>74304967
why do you know reddit so intricately i wonder?

>>74305070
ironically these last few days have still been the most on topic FWMC discussion we've had in months

>>74305026
>Carryong all of EN on her back
Listen, I know you faggots don't like Kiara or Mori, but they have ALWAYS been consistant streamers, attentive to their fans, and hard workers.

>>74305112
The EOP are hundreds of hours and potentially thousands of dollars invested in them at this point. The JP golden week tourists will see them as a cute fad and will leave immediately when the next EN content on their stream comes out. There's no incentive for them to stick around

>why is management pushing them to focus on JP a bit more
>they can be successful as EN
The biggest EN streams barely get the kind of views of Part 20 of one of Subaru's weekend JRPG streams anon

>>74305130
Hard working idols who want a lot of success will always be number sluts. You should realize this.
Koyori is one of the hardest workers I know who has put tremendous efforts into her last chance at this in life and she's definitely numberfagging a lot with endurance streams left and right and doing all she can to help her subs like the shorts meta, doing fotm games and song covers etc.

>>74305187
no piggies or random who discussion

>>74305070
People are freaked out because they care a lot about them, but not completely at the jepordy of their own experience. It's a tough balancing act.

>>74305187
Just today really, yesterday was absolute agony with every second post being an obvious anti sister.

>>74305068
great attitude man, i'm sure fuwamoco really agree with you which is why they damn near have a mental breakdown over the idea of their english speaking fans who haven't done their reps leaving them behind
>but they said it's okay if you want to abandon them!
yeah with broken voices and tears welling up in their eyes, clearly that's not what they fucking want but understand that people leaving is almost a guaranteed price to pay from this. it's not as simple to them as "do your reps or fuck off, your choice" as you're putting it

>>74305144
I literally didn't, there was no question in that post

its sad knowing they care about numbers more than ruffians now. theyre the same as the shitposters

>>74305200
maybe because their games and schedule sucks. they don't even touch the same game in 2 weeks. Subaru is always reliable.

I'm their fan but I feel like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too.

>>74305209
See at least those are giving content to the fans she already has. There's numberfagging while maintaining your audience and then there's the fuwamoco way which is telling everyone that watches you they don't matter (directly) and radically changing your channel to make number go up

>>74305235
Two reasons why. Either the sisters/shitposters have better ammo with member stream. Or the piggies who were the culperates are too depressed currently to shitpost about others/themselves.

>>74305130
All the successful vTubers, streamers, youtubers, content creators, etc, got their because they were ambitious and cared about their numbers anon
Success doesn't come from nothing, you can't just do whatever and luck into it long term, it's lots and lots of careful planning and hard work

>>74305324
>maybe because their games and schedule sucks.
The only one who can even compete with subaru is gura. And she can do it while being MIA for months lol.

>>74305313
That's not true, they can protect JPsama's smiles now
maybe then they'll abandon them for ID to gather a new audience

>>74305343
>I'm their fan but I feel like they're trying to have their cake and eat it too.
they quite literally are. by their own admission, they are really goddamn stubborn. not to say it's bad to be stubborn when it comes to wanting to realize some of your goals but yeah

>>74305183
they brigade some boards like /int/.

>>74305352
Both. I only just came back to this thread after a day off and I'm depressed as fuck and ready to go again. I wish they would give us answers... my princesses...
The silence is deafening

>>74305344
>See at least those are giving content to the fans she already has.
Anon, koyori literally just collabed with male chuubas a month ago. Some fans grumbled abit, but they ultimately let it slide.

>>74305209
Does Koyori fuck over her existing fanbase to find a new one? No, she doesn't. She works with her fans and grows out naturally from there.

>>74305277
I neither know nor care what the hell they're thinking, I'm talking to people in this thread, not them

>>74305344
I dunno, a few fans were upset by her agreeing to her manager putting her into that baseball event collab. She actually adressed an akasupa from a long time ruffian who sent a disappointed SC about it and she explained how it's a huge opportunity and chance for her but also reassured all fans that it's 100% solely professional and she has no other interest in the guys there.
Sometimes such success comes at a price.

>>74305200
for this I really ask what it means to be successful. I keep hearing this word being thrown around.
isn't 800K+ subscribers and growing really successful already? I question what Fuwamoco are really aiming towards past 1 mil. What has them so hungry as they would say?

EOPscum, read the writing on the wall. Learn JP or fuck off, you've had 8 months. They're sick of hamstringing their career for you

>1m celebration
>jp
how would you react?

>>74305551
>They're sick of hamstringing their career for you
They did that themselves

>>74305498
I can tell you some fans are sure as hell not happy about this collab.

I'm glad I'm not a member. From my perspective everything is the same and I'm just gonna keep watching streams. If you guys are being over-dramatic like I assume you are then nothing will change for me at all.

>>74305465
Ok and that was a fuck up, or not like you said. At least she was still streaming to the same audience. Attending events or doing special collabs is numberfagging but it's still something their usual fans can enjoy unless you're an anti m*le schizo. Tell me again when Koyori dedicates a week to English streams for Christmas to numberfag. She doesn't because that is fucking retarded and is not only a betrayal of fans she cares about but also won't even help numbers.

>>74305533
Sure it is. 999k is just as good as 1M really.
But then it isn't because Cover and sponsors and others put a lot of weight on the magic 1 million number and having that or not is just a simple checkmark for them that decides whether they get sponsorships and other opportunities or not.

>>74305552
I'll be long gone by then. I already think j their next birthday is going to be in Japanese in Japan time and that stresses me out.

genuine question, why would a JP fan watch fuwamoco when they have a dozen great chuubas they can watch instead? i dont think the JSL buff even applies to them because they're already fluent in japanese, it's not like ririka whose english only streams are different because she's actually learning new stuff

>>74305726
>in Japanese
Of course not
>in Japan time
It should be if they want like three times the audience. That's the reality of it. The core of their fans will tune in anyway, but what boosts event streams like bdays or 3D lives from 20k to 50k/80k/100k+ is not core fans but all the tourists willing to tune in.

>>74305700
They're going to hit 1 million no matter what, the question is why does it have to be by their anniversary?

>>74305726
Now THIS is doomposting.

>>74305533
After the crocodile tears, their motivation is greed. They want to be the #1 vtubers, fucking your fanbase over be damned.

>>74305655
>but it's still something their usual fans can enjoy unless you're an anti m*le schizo.
She has one of the biggest gachikoi fanbase. She literally received supas questioning her decision.

>>74305498
Switching her stance on male collabs for this would make this thread so much worse than the JP timeloops, you're out of your mind. Imagine for a second the announcement was a week of Shibuya Hal instead of a week of JP streams.
The very nature of being an endurance streamer fosters a different kind of core audience too. FuwaMoco's core fans have watched all or almost all of their content. This isn't possible for Koyori. Maybe 0.01% can claim that. Too many hours. It's a more volatile, less attached audience. Much less people who would feel abandoned if they can't watch a stream. Nene couldn't sleep the other day and did an ultra gorilla EOP pandering stream in the middle of the night for JP. If this was FWMC at least three shock collar users would have committed suicide.

>>74305787
There is no real good answer other than wanting to try a new toy out.

>>74305787
Why do I love EN Ririka, Haachama or Sora streams despite me having a lot of ENs to watch?
It's cute and I enjoy it a lot.
FWMC still have some JSLness to them anyway, it's not like they are Anya.

entertainmentschizo thread

>>74305533
They are still within the lower 1/3 of the company in popularity.
Yes, they are hugely successful when you look at vTubing as a whole, but that's the same as saying anon slaving away at a grocery store is hugely successful when you look at all employed individuals and take into account how many hundreds of millions of people across the wold engage in modern day slave labor earning a handful of dollars a month.

FWMC have been very upfront about what they want, what their primary goal is.
A concert.
A real life physical concert in a big arena singing and dancing and inspiring tens of thousands of people that are there in person, the like Pekora, Watame, Suisei, and so on and so forth have done.

>>74305787
That's the neat part, they wouldn't and they won't. The JP fans they have like them for who they are. Changing languages isn't going to magically convince more Japanese fans to like them, especially when they go back to having EN streams. The JP holo scene alone is flooded with options. Even the twin part doesn't have so much novelty with how often JP members (off)collab

>>74305787
Kind of why I'm hoping they shit the bed and it's a massive flop. Who's going to watch them after they've been with Marine or Pekora for years at this point?

>>74305793
I guess you're right, that's just their own "we said this is our goal so..." autism.

>>74305787
>why would a JP fan watch fuwamoco when they have a dozen great chuubas they can watch instead?
they won't. obviously there are going to be a handful of jps that support ens, but most will keep watching the jps they have always been watching. especially if fuwamoco start competing with jps in jp timeslots.

>>74305787
Very simple. They are cute twins.

>>74305830
And she handled it professionally and barely anyone gave a longterm care. It's still nothing compared to changing your streaming language to chase dead subs

>>74305940
That's not how it works, otherwise every new holo would only ever have fans that have not yet watched any other holo before them.

>>74305787
It's not like Marine and Pekora are 99% of the vtuber market, people are always going to watch stuff other than the most obvious and popular thing. It's just thinking that they're going to attract a bigger JP audience than the EN audience they're turning away from that's crazy.

>>74305900
Actually it's more like saying you're not hugely successful because you have a starting position at Google that pays $100,000 a year. They're not at the top of the Hololive totem pole but they're doing MUCH better than the vast majority of other vtubers.

>>74305200
>Part 20 of one of Subaru's weekend JRPG streams
You don't have to go that far.
Okayu right now is like 150 hours into a Factorio playthrough, which is just about the biggest fucking filter imaginable, and still effortlessly carries 10k CCV.
They are part of the same company but there's still a HUGE gap between EN and JP success

>>74305787
fags dont even know hololive before holo en. so many eop niggers were watching holo jp.

>>74305793
>They're going to hit 1 million no matter what,
This is not true at all. Fauna is a great streamer, probably the best in EN outside of gura, but she is pretty far from 1M.

>>74305787
They probably won't, the market over there is extremely saturated.

>>74305976
Cute on the outside at least. Not sure about the inside after this debacle.

>Japanese stream
LOL
LMAO

>Why would anyone watch them... if they already have...

Everyone saying this is weird. You're insinuating that FuwaMoco have no USP at all. That any holo is basically interchangeable and you just go with one depending on your language and then that's it, no need to watch any others afterwards.

>>74305987
Are you retarded? If FWMC announces they are going to be doing a collab with Shibuya Hal, the shitshow here will be even worse.

>>74306068
Ruffian, they're at 800K at 8 months in. In what world would they not make it to 1 million within the next year?

no good night tweet either huh...

>>74305940
Me, been with Marine since 2020, never had interest in EN before. Don't really have much time for Marine because of FWMC now. People who ask this either don't like FWMC all that much or fetishize JP too much. FWMC aren't just "like JP but for EOPs", they're incredible even if you're not limited to holoEN.

>>74306068
>Fauna is a great streamer, probably the best in EN
Quality isn't what gets numbers anyway. The world where Fauna is a top EN streamer is the world from that Key & Peele sketch where teachers get paid millions like pro football players

>>74306121
You know who is even faster than them? IRyS. It took her 3 years to hit 1M. You never know what will happen.

>>74304833
Narumi-chan....

>>74306174
>. FWMC aren't just "like JP but for EOPs",
they basically are.

i feel so unwanted by them

>>74306121
In the world where they announce they're abandoning their EN fans in a vague mengen, provide no further explanation. Stream exclusively in JP for a week with little to no buildup announcement on Twitter or JP social media while admiting it's just for numbers and they'll go back to EN after a few week break of low streams, alienating nearly every dedicated fan they had.
Oh.

>>74306174
>FWMC aren't just "like JP but for EOPs"
???
thats their whole shtick

>>74305200
The western market is dying(basically dead already) and the retards here are still coping about there being some hidden vein they can tap into

>>74306256
How is she doing anyways? Is she even membered to them anymore?

It makes me a bit sad that the double collab with Koyori will come off of this "drama" and ruffians being so sad and agitated.
I like Koyo a lot so I'd really wish that their first offcollab with her would be met with positivity and excitement instead of people just watching it and constantly judging it for its JPness while being all doom and sadness here in the thread on Friday.

That collab deserves better...

Honestly I feel better now. 70% of my cloudy feelings were because of how badly they portrayed it and the other 30% is unrelateed and due to me being a schizo

No matter what EN's thread you go the second the possibility of them doing some JP streams here and there comes up people absolutely lose their minds.
Bae with her move and VCR, IRyS with Flare, now FWMC with their move, it's so stupid and honestly just feels extremely insecure to me.

>>74306275
>>74306341
NTA but for me the co-commentary with good chemistry is a huge part of it, that's one of the biggest things missing from chubing vs the streamers I watched before, it's almost all solo streams, multiplayer collabs or open VC where they're not even talking about what's on screen. Like those Fauna and Bae horror streams were great fun and I don't even like Bae. FWMC was a breath of fresh air.

>>74306397
>it will be a bath stream morning show
>ruffians are acting like this

>>74306024
People migrate based on what that new talent's core content and core character is. When FuwaMoco debuted there was a JP Micomet shipper who instantly jumped over to FuwaMoco, and I believe she is still pretty active. Changing your core content temporarily to appease others isn't going to bring long time viewers or many subs. You need a solid foundation to build a house, and people from all over the world can appreciate the house if you build it well. FuwaMoco are trying to demolish their foundation and replace it while trying not to topple the house they built on top of it.

I worry that things will never be the same after the next week

>>74306397
I'd like to see them make an effort to translate the bulletpoints for EN ruffians during the stream but I know they won't.

>>74306460
stop baiting the tweet we don't deserve it

>>74306397
The fact they haven't even honestly said it was a Japanese stream is mindboggling. It's obvious but they're too scared of ???? To even say that. And they wonder why people are going menhers over made up scenarios. They'd rather keep things vague to the end instead of just saying the truth.
To be clear, it should be in JP I'm not upset at that, it's that they don't even care enough to not leave people guessing. It was the same with that throwaway JP solo they did earlier in the year. It hurts both EN and JP fans if they don't even know well in advance with the schedule what language it's going to be....

>>74306384
I honestly don't know. I don't have a twitter and she never comments in the vods. Last I saw her was when she came back for their birthday streams.

>>74306042
How happy I would be if FWMC played Factorio...
But no, the game requires too much investment and FWMC are allergic to that

>>74306474
To be fair VCR is so fucking cancer for other reasons, I have dropped holos for it before and I'll do it again, no matter who.
I hate it with all of my might.

>>74306474
reeks of newfaggotry

I'm worried about ruffians having public meltdowns if the worst does happen. I don't want people to suffer, or be sad, but I also don't want fuwamoco to see it happen. A lot of emotionally ill equiped people have invested a lot of time and money into them. I don't care how much disposable income you have, being abandoned after that will hurt anyone. If people do leave I hope they can be mature about it and not make it worse for themselves or fuwamoco.

>>74305787
This is also why the plan isn't set to work out.
Holo JP is going to be streaming a lot for GW because they're also hungry and aiming for growth. If you're a JP fan which would you watch - a new chuuba FWMC or your holo JP oshi? You're going to watch your oshi.
FWMC are going after specific subsections of potential JP fans
>Casual JP fans who don't have an oshi and drift
The problem: higher in number yet won't stick around. dead sub potential.
>Potential dedicated JP fans who don't have an oshi
The problem: much lower in number. will stick around if there are streams in JP.
>Casual JP fans who have an oshi but will check you out casually as a second option
The problem: medium in number yet won't stick around. won't watch you if oshi is streaming. dead sub potential.
It again ties back to if FWMC are half in half out, they're not going to get the JP fanbase they are hoping for outside of mostly dead subs, and it alienates the EN more too.

literally the whole point of fwmc is "holo JP experience but in english" so what the fuck else are they gonna bring to the table if they compete with holo JP themselves?
>karaoke
lol no there's at least 15 that are better
>endurance
koro-san
>zatsu
marine, subaru, polka, noel
>gfe
nene, lamy
>just being funny as shit
miko, pekora

even the twins buff won't help much when JPs regularly collab with each other. they bring NOTHING to the JP community. it's what fucking made them successful in holo EN in the first place

>>74306538
They don't plan things out very often. That should be pretty evident by now.

>>74306582
Fuwamoco are joining the next one. It's a great way to practice their japanese after all!

>>74306474
Blame the /r9k/ types that got involved

>>74306624
thank you. theyre really fucking themselves over here, alienating their core fanbase for what will be, AT BEST, fleeting tourist subs.
its insanity

>>74306497
you missed the memo, they got a new house

>>74306624
What a stupid post, didn't even get past the karaoke one.
You think people listen to karaokes based on how good the singer is. You don't get karaoke at all.

>>74306357
>This retard still think western don't like cgdct
wake up, it's already 2024. hoyokeks turning westards into weebs; otherwise, their games won't be as popular as they are in the western

>>74306661
Anons, why do you think holos do VCR streams even though those are tourists that dont stick? They want the subs.

>>74306624
Holy clipfag

>>74306661
And they aren't even ashamed of it. I don't know if it was stress or what but the fuwamoco we saw in that mengen were so radically different from the princesses we've spent the past 8 months with

>>74306693
yeah, by watching and supporting your oshi grow as an idol.
they're not doing that though, they're taking a shortcut through JPniki alley and just picking up strays rather than doing it off their own merit.
why the fuck am i going to watch their karaokes anymore?

>>74306693
bau bau

>>74306742
VCR isn't for subs so much as it is for making connections to others in the industry. Holo won't last forever, the more people you know and are friends with the better when the worst happens.

>>74306742
They mostly want to connect with male eceleb streamers and then talk to them in DMs later on.

>>74306765
Hey, clipfags are literally the only fans fuwamoco are targeting right now. Show some respect

>>74306774
100% agreed. i sadly think this is the cloest we've come to seeing the "real" them.

>>74306822
Ririka said she was doing VCR for subs.

>>74306559
i think fwmc don't have the brains/patience for it, especially mococo

>>74306601
>A lot of emotionally ill equiped people have invested a lot of time and money into them.
And whose fault is that?

>>74306121
Irys hit 800k in March 2022 and only hit 1 million a month ago. It is entirely possible for FuwaMoco to kneecap themselves and stall out their growth, and taking an extended break only to come back with a significant content change is a good way to do that.