/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>YOU COULD JUST FUCKING ASK

>>74294988
they don't really care because...

>>74294988
>dickriding the drama to get popularity
many such cases.

>>74295423
KEK seething nijiturd

>>74295423
There is no drama this is fucking normal everywhere lol

>>74295423
>Every youtuber but niji shows them off, including normies.
>Niji doesn’t.
Sounds like the only dramafaggot is the coping Nijisis to me.

>>74295423
(you) and (your) former liver organ should slit each other's throats. Pomu rode that kurosanji dick hard during her time there. look what she's doing now. fanbase really reflects the streamer huh? former liver organ eats liver organ employer.

Nijjsanji and Nijinggers are blight. they should be killed on sight.

>>74295857
>liver organ

>>74294988
it's normal, they never had one, and every youtuber who gets one will show it.

>>74294988
fuwamoco deflection thread

>>74294988
>>74295169
>>74295214
>>74295489
y'know what will make them seethe the most? when Sayu finally gets hers. she's at 98.6k right now.

>>74298203
Holy crap that thumbnail art is CUTE

>>74298203
congrats sayufags but stop picking fights with 1view pagpags

>>74299081
I know, right? wayu cute
>>74299138
she got the biggest false pedo accusation revoked, I count that as a win.

>>74295423
You will never get your doxxsite back xis

>>74294988
>>74295169
Serious question: Why didn't Riku just send the playbuttons to the livers? I doubt that shipping would be that much. If Riku really wanted something for each of the livers' subscriber milestones, couldn't he just make a copy of each button and put it in his office? I mean the dude has the money to have a shop make a 3D copy of each button.

It seems like an easy solution to a easy to solve problem.

And yeah, I know why this is an issue to begin with. Niji is run by idiots. I am trying to see if there are other reasons than that and why it is such a big deal not to give the livers the buttons.

>>74299408
To hammer home the feeling of being nothing without Nijisanji

>>74299408
The truth is that people don't know. It has never been officially stated by the corpo that this practice is standard for them. Speculation on this topic approaches what is likely but the audience will never know for sure.

I personally believe it's a normalized belief for the corpo to assume they are entitled to the award because they gave the liver the platform to get this award in the first place.

>>74298203
Is that Rennie?

>>74299408
Making copies for your talents won't buy you a yacht or super car

>>74299600
That is what you call a toxic workplace. I have had to deal with that kind of place in the past. Fuck anyone that creates that environment intentionally.
>>74299611
Wouldn't it make sense to just make an official announcement? If they do hold the play buttons, they could say that they are changing the policy and start sending the play buttons to the livers. If they don't, then just tell people that they don't. This would be a lot easier before the shitstorm happened. Most of Niji's problems could be solved if they had people who knew how to properly communicate.

I can understand that the corporation does have some claim to the button since they do fund the model and the channel. I just find hard to believe that they couldn't just give the button since it is a small thing to give to the livers. If they wanted something in the corporate office to show off, why not make something?

I do not disagree with either of you. Just wanted to write my thoughts. So much corporate idiocy.

>>74299408
You don't need to 3d print a copy. You can order several copies from YT themselves, it costs like $100 - $200 per copy last time I checked. So the real answer is they just don't want to pay for them.

>>74300231
of course it's Rennie! her subathon is still going

>>74300231
Egg lady cute

>>74299408
Even if I give them the benefit of the doubt the only thing I can imagine is that they truly think that they own the play buttons because they own the IP.

>>74300293
Holding the play buttons and mounting it on their office wall has been a common practice for them since Niji JP. Backpedaling on this now, of all times, could lead to several interpretations.

1. Holding the play buttons was never as important as people believed it to be. If that was the case, why hold onto it for all this time anyway?
2. Pushback on it was never this widespread until the Selen termination and the antagonization of the Western fanbases. Going back on it now would give the impression the feedback of the Western audience is more important than the opinions of the JP audience.
3. Most important imo: JP livers have mentioned this in the past. If they backpedal for EN, it needs to be something they do for 200+ JP livers as well otherwise they'll have a problem on their hands. Imagine giving Niji EN a play button but not someone like Kuzuha or Mito.
4. And related to the third bullet, we circle back to a related point. If they do it now, it will make people begin to question why it was ever necessary to do so in the first place.

They need to save face, and that means taking a stand on a stance even if it's wrong. If you've played Ghost of Tsushima, think of it like JIn's uncle. He continuously pushed his way of doing things because he believed he was right, blind to how self-destructive and harmful it was to others.

It doesn't matter if Anycolor knows the practice is wrong at this point. They haven't budged on it for this long, why change now?

>>74294988
Im curious about the diamond play buttons, dont they have talents that reached over 1 mil? i havent seen any

>henya didn't get her silver play button because she forgot to apply for one
VKEKOUJOUOU BLACK COMPANY CONFIRMED

>>74301045
I'm curious if she has the other one or not.

>>74301117
What do you mean "other one" dayo?
yes

>>74301858
lmao that makes it even funnier

>>74294988
How sad, imagine placing so much value in something so meaningless as number goes up. Especially when that number is garbage and doesn't translate into anything meaningful. It's like they're all collectively announcing that they don't have any genuine talents and are just popular for being popular. We've really reached the darkest age of vtubing, where it's all circle jerking, clout chasing, and empty hype about hype itself, or drama about drama about drama. Please change the channel.

>>74300828
Only worthwhile comment in this thread.
Yes, it’s retarded.
Yes, it will never change.

>>74299408
It's all part of a psychological move to make them think they are nothing without nijisanji

>>74303379

>>74303379
Even if they had a pile of them as scrap metal in their homes, their crowning achievement in life is that they were once part of Nijisanji. It's the only thing anyone really knows them for. That's sadly the honest fact, and if anyone is going to apply to the new auditions now, that will also be their fate.

>>74303865
anon... lmao

>>74300828
Good reasons why it won't change now. As for one possible reason why the policy may have been implemented originally, management may have been overly paranoid by YouTube's rules regarding the buttons: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7682560

>Creator Awards are for personal use only, and may not be sold or distributed to anyone outside of your channel team members. If you violate this policy, you may be subject to disciplinary action.
> Disciplinary actions can include: Possible termination of your YouTube or Google account
I could absolutely see a JP corporation reading that and being terrified that if the talents owned the button they might lose it or give it away and then YouTube deletes their entire channel, even if that never actually happens in reality.

>>74301045
Henya answering an email challenge
Hardmode: you cant spam ping her discord
Dante must die mode: she just joined a new minecraft server

>>74300406
Reminder Cover ordered an extra one for FuwaMoco

>>74305529
Yeah but Cover has spending money.

>>74305604
It literally costs 200 bucks maximum

>>74295169
I think that faggot misinterpreted Riku. What riku said to him was he could always riku to take a photo of the play button and send it to their livers on a plastic two dollar frame.

>>74303865
yes, this is what they want their talents to believe, this is what they made Doki, Mint, Mata etc believe even though the complete opposite is true.

>>74299408
>I am trying to see if there are other reasons than that and why it is such a big deal not to give the livers the buttons

Narcissistic company.

>>74305964
But what are they known for? Nothing. They're just ex-Nijis.

>>74300899
Diamond is 10mil, Gold is for 1mil

>>74307047
They are known to be Doki, Mint and Matara.
What would Niji be without talents?

>>74309469
So, you agree they're not known for anything other than they were once in Nijisanji.

>>74305604
And Niji is the most profitable Vtuber agency in the business, every quarter, outside the last one.

>>74299611
I chose to believe incompetence over malice, that it never even crossed the dinosaur manager in charge of receiving the damn buttons that it'd be basic decency to send a copy to the person that earned it. Old japanese people are luddites that survive on fax, they probably get these boxes from youtube without even knowing what they are, PR subordinate then takes a photo of it but won't ever dare suggest sending them away in fear of angering their boss.
Call it cope but there's tons of ridiculous stories like this from people foolish enough to work for a jap corp

>>74309615
They are known for being themselves.
The almost incapable of not laughing slihglty toxic tomboy gamer.
The MGs brainrotted idol fangirl.
The comfy hag that can't stop yapping.
All Niji did is give them more visibility. Without Niji they're still themselves. But Niji without talents doesn't exist, period.

>>74305604
I can promise you that Niji has enough cash on hand to buy one for every single talent that qualifies for one so they can have it themselves.

>>74299611
>Speculation on this topic approaches what is likely
I mean we have NijiJPs saying this years ago and talking explicitly about the buttons being on display at the office

>>74309855
>But Niji without talents doesn't exist, period.
Niji's product is backstabbing and corpo powerjockeying. Example: Niji IN lost all of its talents and it turns out they were still backstabbing and powerjockeying in other branches. If all of niji lost all of its talents the nijisanji way would still exist through a wave of backstabbing and powerjockeying new wave of managers in every other company.

>>74295169
cringe

>>74294988
kek

>>74294988
who cares?

>>74318169
You do, since you replied to this thread

>>74300828
I dunno man, admitting fault is pretty much the surefire way to gain trust back.
Hell, they already did the it back when Nijisanji resistance was a thing and Riku's not yet a CEO.

>>74318169
Ex nijis, every single one of them apparently

>>74309764
>I chose to believe incompetence over malice
Under normal circumstances, this generally true, but this is Nijisanji we're talking about. It's entirely about the malice. "You don't deserve this. We made you. Without us, you are worthless" is the point Niji wants to hammer home.

>>74321603
Don't forget they deliberately pitted SEED and GAMERS against each other all in the name of money, they're malicious as fuck

>>74318169
Your oshit, Nijinigger.

>>74294988

>>74321603
they aren’t exactly wrong. the company did give them a platform and the spotlight. none of the exnijis would be nearly as popular as they’re today without their time in the company. If you’re going to blame someone for the lack of plates then that’s on the JP members for being okay with it for years.

>>74326083
>JP members for being okay with it for years
There's been lots of complaints about it from the JP talents as well.

Tsukino Mito : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmUkKUIMZHc
> livers don't get their own play buttons, it's lined up on a wall in the office
> she won't get it in her hands
> there's a ton of them lined up in the wall
Morinaka Kazaki : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBPo0JUNQ34
> there's a wall on the office where they line up the silver play buttons
> they "lost" hers when she asked, and refused to get another one
> Ibrahim: Well wasn't there a way you could get another one if you lose it?
> Kazaki: No
Hanabatake Chaika : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC6UyvXmpfo
> some of his kouhai have their play buttons lined up in the wall, but his own play button was not seen
> others wonder if Iwanaga-san took some with him when he left
Three more Japs who asked and were told "no":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRkp_B6RWuE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmUkKUIMZHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmUkKUIMZHc
Nijisanji woudln't let Mito have a VIRTUAL play button with her name on it, specially requested there be no name:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63gvcJEEWZE&t=18m27s

Granted, they also pretty regularly make talents and artists perform humiliation rituals over there. I dunno if they've tried that in EN, but I wouldn't be surprised. It's cult esteem destroying tactics all the way down.

>>74295169
>>74295214
Kek

>>74327143
Then it’s more about an ip protection thing. Liver names, models and channels (and anything they make as the liver name) belong to the ip owner which in this case it’s ANYCOLOR. Being contractors as opposed to being employees (like with Cover) makes things a bit tricky too.

>>74294988

>>74327143
YOU COULD JUST FUCKING KEEP ASKING

>>74296006
kek

>>74298203
NYPA

>>74298203
98.7 now

>>74299408
The company owns the IP, the youtube award belongs to the company.

>>74309764
They aren't fucking old corpos. Riku is like half Chinese isn't he? The way the company is run is black company 101 with power hierarchy and favoritism to advance the ranks. Basic criminal tier mentality.

>>74305006
Them being incompetent and ESL is actually incredibly believable

>>74326083
Fucking bullshit considering how many indie JPs mog the absolute fuck out of the majority of Nijisanji. The only thing the corpo does is pull a few individuals far above the others and surround them with mistreated coworkers to make them 'thankful' of the opportunity give to them. Despite it being their own hard work and their toxic environment manufactured around them. Basic tier manipulation shit but it has always worked, just doesn't generate trust in fact the opposite unless you brainwash the absolute fuck out of them.

>>74336373
soon.jpeg

>>74326083
A fucking billboard would be more effective at promoting the girls than Nijisanji.
Selen had no fucking idea how marketable she was and Niji somehow convinced her that she was a brand risk despite her being so fucking profitable if left to her own devices.

>>74336920
anon, the indie JPs and other “big” indies are the 0.01% of the VTuber industry. The rest? In 0-2 view hell.
In ANYCOLOR’s case, the livers become contractors who borrow one of ANYCOLOR’s ips and make content with said ip. while the talent is responsible for that ip’s growth, the ip belongs to ANYCOLOR. think of it as renting a suit.

>>74338803
>billboard
it’s the branding that’s important here. Just like how the other company can turn 2 views into a success thanks to the power of the brand alone.
people will notice more if there’s a brand behind you.

>>74307047
>But what are they known for
BUSTIN BUSTIN BUSTIN BUSTIN

>>74339343
If it was JUST the brand, Niji wouldn't be primarily low 3views. The real difference is in support and marketing promoting them actually getting seen. Plenty of indies got their big break from one gigantic push, and used that to start a real big career. Melody getting her big break as "the chaturbate streamer with an anime avatar" and somehow turned that into a gigantic normie streaming career

>>74338803
that was post-Niji or do you not know how she was doing before joining the company? the woman applied for twitch partner 4 times and was rejected every single time. post-exposure? twitch just handed it to her. While it’s true that she had a rough time at the company, it helped her to get that exposure she’s enjoying now so at least she managed to benefit in the end

>>74336920
If it's that easy, why are there any corpos?

>>74339343
And these days the nijisanji brand is so toxic it's unironically a debuff

>>74339761
All Niji did was give her an audience to debut in. They gave her no support, tore sponsorship opportunities away from her, restricted her collabs, and flat out took away her rightful money and achievements like the goddamn play button at a moment's notice. The dokibird fiasco is a fantastic example. All Niji did was give her 120k eyes on her, and she turned that into several hundred thousand more without any more support on their part. She could've found any other avenue into the business, and gotten BETTER results, just like all of the other organs trapped in that shithole.

>>74339749
Nijisanji’s model is to spam livers while the other company prefers to do things a bit slower but more refined to some degree.

>>74340073
lol I wonder if they'll become a 2view once the new wave comes to dilute the viewers again

>>74340105
I'm pretty sure Selen got some support in Nijisanji being an Apex streamer with many other Niji Apex players. I'm sure she got opportunities she would have never gotten as Doki alone.

>>74340105
some people are a good fit for certain jobs while others are not. In this case, Selen was far too ambitious for her own good. Hopefully she makes very good use of it as an indie.

>>74299408
The IP belongs to the company, so they are technically within their right to hog the buttons,

If im not mistaken since all the buttons are displayed in HQ it gives a "very good impression" for people looking to invest

>>74339092
You could put any of their star hitters from Niji in an indie scenario and they would find a way to shine and break out. Even if it took years like the current 1% you are talking about. Most of the strong Indies have developed over 4+ years. Why else do you think they were picked for their company?

>>74340479
See here's the thing you can order an additional copy for a little over a hundred dollars, so even if they wanted a display copy they can easily get one for their livers to take home. They are just that cheap

>>74340535
anon, Kuzuha was an indie.

>>74340634
I think it’s more on the ground that they’re contractors and not actual employees.

remember that the ones in power are mostly old men with little knowledge of how technology works

>>74340895
Hence why they deserve to fail

>>74340634
My best guess is that it would be a waste since the livers are made to post about the buttons (with the pictures taken from HQ) so having them doing it twice could be confusing, but still possible, hence the "WE COULD JUST ASK FOR IT" mentality.

>little over a hundred dollars
Since the mail address CAN'T be changed from the youtube channel because it belongs to niji, it would cost way more (getting the button re-shipped to japan, mailing it to the US/CANADA)
Even if it were as a morale treat for the livers, remember that they're contractors rather than employees, a company would prefer to treat them to a big dinner or a trip (as its been done to some of them) rather than a wall decoration for their service

>>74341309
All I'm hearing is a whole bunch of reasons not to give their livers their fair due and an attempt to decieve the general public

>>74341686
ok, rumao

>>74340895
Holos are contractors as well though? Every time tax season comes around, some will start sighing about having to pay taxes as a 個人事業主 contractor.

>>74299408
>I am trying to see if there are other reasons than that and why it is such a big deal not to give the livers the buttons.
psychological control
look at how everyone thinks they would be nothing if they leave the company, from Matara to Doki, all of them had a perpetual impostor syndrome
look at the leaked drama about the artist that was harassed into "saying everything I did wrong in front of everyone in the meeting"

nijisanji is clearly run in a way to destroy their self-esteem and holding the playbuttons on the office is a clear "Your button only exist because of us"

>>74300828
>it needs to be something they do for 200+ JP livers as well otherwise they'll have a problem on their hands.
nigga the livers themselves would pay the extra button fee if Anycolor gave the choice

>>74341309
>>74340634
>>74329315
Plenty of other talent agencies try to pretend that their employees are contractors and own their IP's, but Nijisanji is the only one that keeps their play buttons and doesn't send their talents a copy. Not even Wactor did that.

Nijisanji also puts them through humiliation rituals, and we've seen all sorts of other cult-like behavior from them. It's all about removing any sense of self worth, and making them entirely dependent on "the family" just as with so many other policies they have that are eventually going to get someone killed, one way or the other.

>>74327143
So no one asked. Also
>Nijisanji woudln't let Mito have a VIRTUAL play button with her name on it, specially requested there be no name:
Are you faggots actually retarded? That's a digital replication of a play button. It isn't fucking real. It's a prop

>>74345888
Koyori and Laplus had their names on their prop virtual play buttons. Why was Mito the only youtuber not to have her name on it?

>>74345888
Oh I'm sorry did the proof ruin your black company damage control procedures?

>>74299408
>Why would Riku actually be involved with his company's talents and spend money out of his own pocket to give them physical awards of their own accomplishments?
Because he's a greedy little kikeasian who would rather put that money towards his yacht and trophy cabinets and let the worker drones play out a session of Animal Farm on their own.

>>74346130
>Hololive
Irrelevant when we're talking about Nijisanji, because you know, they're nowhere near as caring about their talents as Hololive.
Even the fucking twins each got a separate play button sent to them, before they moved to Japan even.

I know people have already pointed it out many times by now, but I still find it quite funny that a company with a rainbow as a symbol is actually a black company.

>>74346130
Because different companies coded their play button prop.

>>74346799
Look closer at it: It's a big shadowy fish swallowing the rainbow to sate itself

>>74345674
>pretend
in ANYCOLOR's case, they're actual contractors. in any case, why are these play buttons such a big deal to you?

>>74351187
not the previous anon but these play buttons signify a milestone in their careers, giving it to the livers is the least you could do as an act of appreciation

>>74351647
i'd be far more satisfied with a check but that's just me.

>>74352128
every single other corporate youtuber on the planet ends up with both.

>>74352187
honestly i wouldn't care about the play button. to me it's just a trophy you can hang on a wall and i'd just get rid of it in the future like i did with all my trophies.

>>74340634 c >>74295169
YouTube doesn't want channels scalping their buttons, so even though they're gilded plywood extras cost like $150.
Niji's not going to foot that bill and none of the talents cared enough to pay for it out of pocket.

>>74352326
to most creators who've been in the industry for years with barely any audience, finally achieving a 100k or 1 million milestone award would be fucking cathartic.
>>74352347
Not a fucking chance that none of the talents cared enough to do it. Out of over 300+ performers in six fucking years, not a SINGLE one has offered to buy their own play button?

>>74352425
That is what I am implying.

>>74352326
>like i did with all my trophies.
and this is why participation awards were a mistake.

>>74352425
if they really did care, they'd have kept pushing.

>>74352504
i didn't get my trophies due to participation, clown. i got them because i actually had good grades and did well at academics. i just saw no value in them.

>>74352347
>none of the talents cared enough to pay for it out of pocket
DYRBI???

>>74352128
hey, you do you. but don't push your expectations on others to follow your style. There are many ppl who would love to have a play button of their own.

>>74352558
>i just saw no value in them.
because you didn't actually have to put in an effort, therefore participation awards even if not labeled as such.

>>74352609
it would've been brought up by a liver at some point.

>>74352509
Talking to a brick wall will never produce results

>>74352663
you know nothing about me. i worked my butt off and studied really hard. i just didn't care about the medals nor the trophies. the grades by themselves were enough for me.

>>74352671
as would a liver actually getting a play button delivered to their home

>>74352644
i'm not pushing anything. that was never the intention.

>>74352558
There's a world of difference between willingly tossing out your trophies and being denied the opportunity to have one in the first place. Especially when everyone else in your field who reaches that milestone does get one.

>>74352740
>the grades by themselves were enough for me.
I don't believe you.

>>74352924
don't believe me then. the awards meant nothing to me personally. as long as I did good, that was all that mattered.

>>74352558
>grades trophy
LMAO, something that everyone can get without competition

>>74352792
aight it's cool bro. just sayin.

>you could just fucking ask
has now become
>you could just fucking ask harder

The play button really is a trivial trinket but it's telling that people have a million and one excuses as to why Niji doesn't provide talents with play buttons except for the obvious one: they don't want to. Even funnier when much smaller companies like KiwiConnect and literal Jewcorp don't have an issue with their talents owning their play buttons. Another weird cope is that the talents don't need the plaque which may or may not be true, but why never give them the option? Not all Holos have their plaques, sometimes they give it away or ask management to keep it. But they are given the choice what to do with it. Why are Niji livers denied that right shared by every other vtubing company big and small?

It's just a power play policy by Niji to make the livers feel worthless and rot their self esteem. Which is hilarious because the entire purpose of the play buttons is the opposite. YouTube gives a self esteem boost to it's creators so that they're motivated to continue making the platform more money. Literal anti-business decision by Niji to enforce their desired workplace dynamic.

>>74294988
I know a guy who got one of these in a week. Sad how bar the low is for corpo vtubers.

>>74352128
I feel the need to mention there's a recurring pattern of almost everyone involved saying they've always wanted one or being proud of getting one. You being happy with just a check is your opinion and that's fine, but not quite relevant to the point being made.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xSQz0K1lGs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRyUceChF4o
https://twitter.com/MintFantome/status/1782614850306245005
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpqJTPRj9xw

>>74353639
Putting the onus on the liver instead of the company like in >>74352509 is a pretty textbook deflection tactic. I don't know what Niji did to earn the tongue-cleaned asshole treatment by this one particular sycophant but it's really sad that people will genuinely waste their free time going to bat for a corporation instead of the talents that make the corporation exist in the first place.

>>74351187
Wouldn't stand up in court. No contractor is controlled that closely. There's even a non-compete clause in the contract, which puts you straight out of being a contractor, regardless of what country you're in.

It's typical of these foreign vtuber agencies, even putting in the contract "this shall not be an employment agreement" and such, but they are simply trying to have their cake and eat it too. Whenever contracts like these are contested, the signers always end up being treated as employees and thus subject to labor laws.

>>74351187
>why are these play buttons such a big deal to you?
It just goes to what's rotten at the core of Niji, that anything that might give the talent some semblance of self worth, that they'd be anything without "the family", is taken away. They are more cult than company, which is why they take all these petty self-destructive revenge based actions against those who have "wrong the family", and do shit no sane company would do, like firing someone offering to resign, or publicly attacking a popular suicide victim while putting the talents on the firing line, twice. A simple greed driven corporation would be much less evil, but, unlike Riku himself, they aren't driven by greed, they are driven by an all powerful need for total control.

>>74351187
Gee if it wasn't such a big deal why did anycolor go through such lengths to pretend they actually gave their talents the play buttons?

>>74353418
>competition
i never cared about such things.

>>74354034
i'm not taking anyone's side here, to me i just don't see the appeal of the play button. then again, i never cared about celebrations nor fancy rewards as it led people I've seen to become terrible and arrogant monsters.

>>74357330
Yeah, that's why you're defending Nijisanji so hard in the thread amirite?

>>74357610
i'd be far more interested in diving into this hell you guys are painting and see if it's any worse than any of the hells i've been through in my life. sounds like a lot of fun.

>>74358074
Well good news, they are accepting auditions right now
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1780415989332816307?t=jjTtl3JFLLDt27f1AqlOQQ&s=19

>>74295169
That one. I still can't believe it.