/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

we are so back

in japanese

to previous thread, if Ririka did a week long of streams before I oshi'd FWMC, I'd watch her for a week, sub in the meantime then likely lose motivation.
I guess my sub could be a metric to add to a count if that works. Doesnt really get me with any active support though, and I'm not going to do something like SC either unless I really am into the streamer. I'd need 3 to 4 streams a week to keep me actively engaged. 1 to 2 will get me going to the stream only every once in awhile when it's a stream game I really enjoy and I see it on my feed. I wouldn't watch streams in a different language.

Regarding subs, there's about 130 days until the end of August. They're at 809k subs and are growing at about 1k every 2 days.
They'd need to be growing at around 1.47k every day to reach that goal, so about 3x more than their current rate. It's going to be rough

I feel like the phrase "like oshi like fan" doesn't apply to FWMC and ruffians. They're nothing like each other, there's a dissonance there. Otherwise, ruffians would be old school weebs who love Japanese culture and content. The problem is that the existing Hololive EN box aren't really filled with those types, so they haven't yet established a fanbase with matching philosophies.

I just want them to stay with us. The Japanese have enough...don't take Fuwamoco too.

bau bau...

プリンセスラブ編

前スレ >>74273119

>今後のストリーム
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uAalFIWtqM [埋め込み]
>前のストリーム
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAgtrq3q4No [埋め込み]

>デビュー
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kttt7pb5o6I [埋め込み]
>Youtubeチャンネル
https://www.youtube.com/@FUWAMOCOch/featured
>スケジュール
https://twitter.com/fuwamoco_ja/status/1781877332229427661

>アーカイブされていないコンテンツ (Twitter スペース、カラオケなど)
https://rentry.org/baunarchived
>歌
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLf4O_VcbYo24EjtizbTZt_tTgwXaaK8N- (リリースまたは出演したすべてのカバーと曲の公式プレイリスト)

>グッズ
https://shop.hololivepro.com/en/collections/all?open=talent&q=%22Talent_モココ・アビスガード%22 (Mococo)
https://shop.hololivepro.com/en/collections/all?open=talent&q=%22Talent_フワワ・アビスガード%22 (Fuwawa)

>/baubau/関連コンテンツ (baubau sings、nsfw、VN/アニメリスト、VTL チーム情報)
https://rentry.org/baucontent

>スレッドテンプレート
https://pastebin.com/bgugZTcD

its so over...

>>74282301
no...

>>74282301
kek

>>74282301
just make this the next OP

>>74282301
ありがとう

>>74282272
i can't see it happening unless fwmc heavily spam jp collabs and collabs only, solo jp streams won't help them at all

>>74282286
We're both needy and need constant love and support and if that drops for even a moment we get sad and imagine being abandoned forever.

>>74282359
better suited for next week kek

>>74282272
they used to grow like, 2k per day before the move rite?

>>74282272
I dont get why they're so dead set on subs when they previously said it like it's a goal but not a huge deal. are they not happy with their growth so far? was all the support made whether scs, fanworks, spreading the word, so far considered inadequate to them?
with changing nothing, they'd still get to 1 mil at a pretty good pace. they're growing faster than the rest of advent by far. shit, they grew probably faster than advent on their break doing nothing.

>>74282417
1 mil get them a wish

Maybe they should play Monster Hunter? How is that for an idea?

>>74282417
today i was reminded of the gap between them and the rest of advent

ready for your first japanese fuwamoco morning? well it isnt morning anymore for them anyway so they should just rename it some morning show or some shit

Serious question since I didn't follow them before they got hired as guard dogs, but have they always been this "obsessed" with trying to please everybody and failing to do so in the process?

they should collab more with big number JP if they want to get to 1 mil subs. more collab with Pekora, Marine, Miko and the like

>>74282400
It was more like 1.3k per day. If there was a jp collab or a buff stream sometimes it was 2k.

>>74282301
ばうせづ

If they want subs, all they have to do is clip anything relatively interesting from their streams and spam Shorts.

Hello japanese fan here want to say something japanese language or english language we all speak same language bau bau language 。

>>74282286
>hololive is like warhammer primarchs and the fanbases must reflect the oshi

>>74282459
the way to get them to 1 mil:
stop most of their homework days, go back to streaming everyday. subs are made from streams, not merch or events, usually not even songs (exception being something that goes viral). the fanbase would likely be happier with this too, but I'm sure they don't want to hear that, because they enjoy the projects themselves.

>>74282524
that's what gw is for

>>74282611
sushi

>>74282611
そうだよ

>>74282417
they are speed running their stay in Hololive. They have other plans after that

>>74282417
>>74282459
>tfw their 1m wish is to remain in hololive as fuwamoco

>>74282611
utsukushii, baubau aniki

>>74282676
that doesn't make any sense, anon

>>74282698
it makes sense if the initial contract says that they're to be individual channel after 1 year

>>74282417
rrat here. They have their time in hololive planned out to only be there for a few years. They want to get the one million yagoo wish as fast as possibly so it fits in their hololive timeline. We all know how they like everything planned out. Also they want kids at some point. They can't have that while being in hololive with how busy the job is for them

>>74282728
>it makes sense if *insert random thing i made up*
you do you, i guess.

>>74281730
It might work out then, doubt they'll lose more subs than they can gain.

>>74281788
Fair point, I didn't really consider the option of attracting new viewers outside of hololive, they are unique enough without the JPesque but EN part.

I haven't really been able to keep up with the threads so I probably missed some good takes between all the baiting.
In the end I just don't want em to fuck this up and feel bad over what might be nothing.

>>74282473
man i know you are talking about subs, but fwmc got a pretty big gap between them and advent on an individual level and even more with the rest of en.
i know they are hardcore weebs but you rarely see fwmc collab with en when it's not a full advent collab. hell you rarely see them collab with anyone in advent, if you look at the rest of en advent is really friendly toward each other and everyone else.
but fwmc? are leaving or being left behind for various reason. kinda sad to see honestly, with the jp they might find themselves where they have almost no close friends within both en and jp.

>>74282767
their main goal is to be JP, or to stay in Japan whatever means necessary

>>74282837
they should have 1-on-2 collab with all of their EN members before that

Fuck this, i will become japanese.

>>74282809
THE SIGNS IS THERE
APOCALYPSE TOMORROW

>>74282728
this isn't just bullshit, this is some advanced bullshit
I like a good rrat, but this doesn't float. it has no backing. the rrat is dead and drowned.

>>74282837
Can't they get married to a jap and become a citizen?

>>74282522
They're pretty much forever trapped in a 2view mindset and I don't think they'll ever get out of it. You can see it in how they stress over potentially losing people, despite still wanting to grow. They're going to crash horribly trying to make everything they want to work successful, but I'll at least be there when they need cheering up that it isn't going as well as they hoped

Reminder they have still not collabed with Shiori one on one

they should play vcrust

>>74282936
*one on two

>>74282859
YWNBJ

>>74282859
No immigrants. Go home.

>>74282936
Or anyone in EN that isn't Mori.

I've been feeling like shit ever since the membership stream... I can't sleep for more than 2 hours, I haven't eaten anything since Sunday and I constantly feel like I'm going to throw up... Is any ruffian doctor here? What should I do?
I don't know if I'll be able to survive to see the schedule after golden week at this rate... I really hope they talk about the VOD comments soon

>>74282921
if you live in japan for 5 years, you can gain citizenship

they should ask for guidance from an actual Japanses citizen IN EN, IRyS

>1) Hey FuwaMoco. I think that an entire week in JP and increasing the rate of JP streams is at odds with a few things that youve said before. Most were under the impression that JP streams won't replace EN streams, but now it seems like that isn't the case anymore,

>2) You also mentioned during your move that you didnt want to do spaces/guerillas cause you didnt want people to wake up at odd hours or feel left out, but now you have an entire week where your core fans will either wake up at odd hours or feel left out...

>3) I think expanding your horizons is great, but it comes at a cost, and that seems to be some of the fans you've built up over 8-months. I think if you were more direct about your intentions early on this wouldnt be so frustrating for so many. Thank you.

On a scale of Autistic-to-Kill yourself, how would you rank my potential SCs? If they address this before the schedule release, I won't send it.

The worst part about this is how relying on nips for sub count is quite literally a fools errand given the time table. There's a methodology for grinding subs, sure, but firing blind into the Japanese audience like they seemingly intend to isn't a fucking "battle plan".
I posted a few threads ago, but they unironically had a chance of hitting 1 mil prior to the move had they capitalized on their momentum at that time. That was the perfect storm, it was right there.
You cannot kill your growth and hype for so long, over exert yourself, pursue controversial choices which foster negativity and uncertainty among enough fans to make their issues become a front and center topic, and then spring into a scene after essentially killing the period of build up necessary to springboard yourself into a growth spurt. That's not how growth works. Even the biggest viral growth spurts of vtubing still had notable hallmarks prior to their explosions. They engineered the correct moment to capture lightning. This situation is the exact opposite. Sacrificing so much of their previous position and now going even further in order to try and fish for a miracle from a Japanese holiday without the bedrock necessary to truly strike gold with it is a recipe for not only failing to reach their goal, but doing so after openly sacrificing actual fruits from their previously hard-earned success.
I only hope I'm somehow wrong and a miracle happens, because if I am right, and based on the NOOMBERS I believe I unfortunately am, the only thing waiting on the other side of this is a failed year long goal compounded with ruminations upon the regrets of everything that was given up and suffered through for the sake of it.
I am not looking forward to the membership stream that happens should it happen like I'm describing it will.
This entire fucking saga feels like some bizarre half-baked re-enactment of King Lear

>>74283020
i don't think fwmc even had a proper conversation with anyone beside mori

girl

>>74282979
Newissa...

>>74282142
I will NOT use /baubau/ for the week! I'm gonna take some time away and try to enjoy my life. depending on how next week looks, I'll take that week off, too!
Sayonara!

>>74282984
Well I hope they're still in hololive after 5 years.

>>74282983
disassociate. become the entertainment schizo.
take a step back and look at this whole situation. they're vtubers on the internet. you're an anon doing their own thing. they don't know you personally, you don't know them personally. they could perfectly align with your schedule or not. the world will go on regardless. so it doesn't matter. life will go on.
dont think just jam. take some time and get off the internet if needed because its not healthy for you.

>>74282979
Diamond Dogs...

>>74283086
i wonder what hololive will even look like in 5 years
look how much it's changed since 2019

>>74283044
it's reasonable a tad long for a sc tho. if you will sc paypigs will jump down your throat ,they hate anyone sending negative comments on streams.

>>74282522
Yes. Absolutely.

>>74283074
Oh right how did I forget the offcollab

>>74283122
I'm unironically not trying to make it super negative, just VERY direct

>>74283082
Enjoy your break! I may take off too depending on how the next few days look the for the thread

>>74282524
those jp aces only give them some subscribers on the first collab stream for the shock value. its not like they certainly have a good chemistry with fwmc.

EN doesnt have any popular collab group but JP has many. they should find such good partners from a long term viewpoint like Irys found Flare

>>74283119
I shudder to think how awful it will be. Last year's summer was just absolutely abhorrent.

>>74282984
Can and actually get are two completely different things. Japan doesn't readily hand out citizenship, let alone to people who aren't highly technically skilled in in demand fields. You're more likely to just have them reduce your renewals down to yearly assessments and have it quietly denied when you age out. Actual sports star millionaires find it very difficult to fully naturalise some even when married to a Japanese.

>>74282885
2-in-1 chuuba is a very novel concept, sure, but it also directly cuts on Cover earning because that means they debuted 1 less talent on that gen.
So how did they convince Cover to do it anyway? There must be a trade-off.
We know the deal must be somehow having 1M subs in a year, but what's the consequence of failing to achieve that? That's easy to deduce if you turn back to the root of the problem.
If Cover's problem with 2-in-1 chuuba is that they get less talent per gen, then the solution is simple. Just split them into two talents.

>>74283049
>I am not looking forward to the membership stream that happens should it happen like I'm describing it will.
as long as it's not a choose your adventure during golden week, I'll make it through. if it is I'm sorry in advance /baubau/ for the shit I will sling

>>74283082
I'll probably do the same.
>>74283119
Fuwamoco will appear in a las vegas show in 5 years. They're gonna make it.

>>74283165
>they should find such good partners from a long term viewpoint like IRyS found Flare
and how are they going to do that if they can't collab with JP frequently because some faggots keep chimping out?

>>74283044
Embarrassing. Please have some respect for yourself.

>>74282286
I'm one of those old school weebs and it is kind of annoying that this hobby is overrun with casuals. I would prefer it if fuwamoco would just embrace all the old otaku stuff they like since I like those things too, but it seems their goals are at odds with that. They're chasing numbers which would turn like-minded people into the minority. They would have to cater to a fanbase that doesn't align with their own views.
>they haven't yet established a fanbase with matching philosophies
They probably already attracted every single person of that sort that they could from the EN side. There just aren't all that many of them. If they wanted a fanbase entirely consisting of these types, they would have to be okay with filtering the casuals and dropping significantly in views.

>>74283158
it's not negative, but do remember that people here take any fwmc criticism as an attack and call you an anti it will be doubly so on stream/twitter/vod. i 100% you should comment, fwmc need some hash truth.

>>74283044
it's reasonable and honest.

>>74283044
It's pretty reasonable. I really hope you actually send it if they don't address the comments, but I feel like this is just another shitposter that won't end up doing anything

>>74283192
That's something I've been wondering for a while. They're likely paid individually, but they only give one streamer's worth of revenue.... except for the fact that even if you halve their revenue for 2 people, they've been doing incredible since debut, and the marketing opportunities for twins is massive. I think they could easily be one of the most marketable IPs cover has access to right now if used right. Not quite gura, but probably a step or two down.

>>74282983
I'm not as schizo as you, but I've definitely been feeling a little shit. Can't really help it tbdesu. Some non-menhera's almost made me feel a bit better, but eeeehh I need to leave this place, and take a real break from their streams for a bit.
It's gonna sound melodramatic as fuck, but I feel like if they genuinely decide to go as far as doing a JP stream a week, especially when their schedule slows down, I'm gonna have to either disassociate and takes steps to become less gachikoi obsessed, or I'll have to dedicate ALL of my free time to learning Japanese.

>>74283044
no balls
also kys

>>74283158
Oh, this is for a supa? Oh no this would be bad in a public stream because it will for sure upset them a little bit. And that will get clipped. Fuck that.

>>74283044
honestly pretty reasonable. you may get the gachikoi publicly hating on you /here/ or in chat, but I think what you're writing is on the thoughts of many behind the scenes if not publicly

>>74283295
Yeah, I can get the actual worries, but they've done a great job so far of convincing me that they care enough to actually work hard for us, so I want to at least match their efforts.

>>74283269
>but I feel like this is just another shitposter that won't end up doing anything
Nah. This is just in crypto, btw.

lmao you fuckers are so dramatic. it's just one week

>>74283371
The menhera is coming from what they'll do AFTER GW.

>>74283215
fwmc care a bit too much about their existing fans. they simply shouldnt, if they want to move on.

theres no world/society where everyone can be happy.

Would you consider the ones who say shit like "It doesn't matter if it's JP or NA time zones and language, I'll watch all your streams" blindly loyal or just insane?

>>74283395
stream as normal? fuck do you think is going to happen?

>>74283295
Honestly if you think you could channel your obsession into learning JP, go for it. That's something genuinely positive you can take away from this.

>>74282983
I've been feeling down since the stream. It's really going to hit me hard next week for sure. I don't know how well I'm going to handle it...

>>74283371
not quite. could be bad communication, but they implied pretty much that going forward there was more focus on JP even though EN would have priority. they need some sort of follow up to clarify

>>74283295
>I need to leave this place
im about the same but honestly whatever is said here hasnt really had an effect on me

>>74283419
>blindly loyal or just insane?
or it's because
>they can speak JP
>they can watch at JP time
>they don't give a shit

>>74283419
many are lying through their teeth

>>74283333
>Oh, this is for a supa?
Yeah. I may not because I feel like they'll HAVE to address all the concerns posted in the comments at some point.
Or maybe they ignored them all at the behest of mane-chan, and are simply going to move forward, and not elaborate?

>>74283419
i think they're all talk

>>74283419
neither. it's up to each person. if you enjoy JP streams just as much as EN and you have time ok sure. it's reasonable. if you don't like JP streams but are saying you'll watch them anyway then that's blind loyalty. there is nothing wrong with being ok with the upcoming change just as there is nothing wrong with disliking their upcoming change

>>74283044
You need to think for a moment
When exactly will they read this supa
FuwaMoco morning? Reading is delayed along with their huge backlogs
Advent Collab? They don't read supa on collab no more, so reading is delayed with their huge backlogs
Koyori off collab? On Koyo channel
Dorokei? They don't read supa on collab no more.
So that leaves only Minecraft Journey and Rock and Rawr
Minecraft journey is a bit sketchy on how they'll read supa on that stream because allegedly, they'll use 2 simultaneous stream for that.
By the end of Rock and Rawr, they're likely already revealed the schedule right before reading supa, which might makes multiple of your points obsolete.

So really, you ain't got no good time

>>74283044
I don't think the core of any of the messages are bad, but I also feel like they're too stubborn right now for any feedback about their decision. I'd wait a bit because I feel like they'll just tell you to not show up if you're not smiling, like how they responded to a lot of concerns earlier

>>74283419
That's just pure lip service and they wouldn't be watching any of the new streams

>>74283426
I'll probably end up doing that kek
I feel like that's probably a better use of my time then sitting around all day feeling menhera over dumb stuff like this I can't control

>>74283419
I know Japanese but if they're streaming at JP prime time then I'll only watch the weekend ones live due to work.

>>74283419
I understand JP and EN and I usually watch vods anyway since I like being able to skip over boring parts. Not sure if that counts as watching streams, though, since it's not live.

>>74283419
Language? Don't care, I'll watch. Time zones? That's too much, I'm not sacrificing my sleep just to watch something live, and FWMC don't want me to either.

>>74283419
I'd assume anyone saying something like that isn't actually invested in the thing they're talking about.

>>74283544
>tfw today's supa reading is the last chance we could send feedback supa in time before the D-day
>they cut it short way before the expected stream length to throw off people that wants to formulate feedback
holy fuck did they fucking planned everything

>>74283044
I'd rework that last bit.

>>74283544
>By the end of Rock and Rawr, they're likely already revealed the schedule right before reading supa, which might makes multiple of your points obsolete.
I'm gonna wait for Supers to start after they reveal their schedule. I'm certain they'll say something, but if not I'll send those supers.
>>74283545
I just want them to be direct and acknowledge everything I mentioned in those supers, and at least get them to directly talk about whether or not they'll ACTUALLY increase the output of JP solo streams, or if it will be the same output they've always had before the New Year.

>>74283671
manipulation pros
maybe they are not as retarded as i thought

>>74283678
What would you suggest? I'm not trying to be a cunt, just direct.

shut the fuck up, you fucks wasted 3 threads on this shit. they will do whatever the fuck they want, cope with it or fuck off

>>74283044
1 and 2 aren't that bad, it's reasonable if you intend on being direct and want to show them their own words
3 feels a bit angry, almost anti-ish
But like this anon said >>74283122
Do expect to get reversed supa'd. Snakes got to scoop points when they can

if it’s just jp or just en it doesn’t change, they’ll still be on my second monitor while i game

>>74283727
>cope with it or fuck off
I'll do neither until they're direct.

>>74283727
Your doxxsite still down sister?

>>74283671
trying to read someones intentions like this is retarded and can really make you fuck yourself and others over.

>>74283696
What I'm saying is that if they reveal schedule and it shows something like, 7 EN stream + 3 JP stream, your point 1 and point 3 gonna be obsolete

>>74283044
As much as I dislike it, it's probably reasonable to send. Dunno if they'll actually read or ignore it, though. I'd wait until the schedule releases so they can finish preparing some kind of response.
Hell, I'd be surprised if the next week's schedule is even finalized.

I swear to fucking god I'm going to commission them taking a gigantic dog cock if next week's stream is just 6 EN streams and 2-3 JP ones.
...or maybe just Fuwawa since I really don't have that much disposable income right now for 2 characters.

>>74283506
If it was during a membership stream I'd be ok with it because your comment was reasonable. What I'm worried about is this getting out to the casuals and drama tubers because of clips if it was during a public stream. Remember the lockwhite clip? Yeah...

>>74283555
Do it if you can, its handy.

>>74283727
I'd rather discuss this than the most hated ruffians of the week any thread. at least this is fwmc related

>>74283775
Kek yeah if that's the case then i'll just bin the whole thing

>>74283419
yesmen

>>74283815
I'm actually expecting something like that. Remember when they were freaking the fuck out over the idea of doing guerilla streams... So they finally had them and they were scheduled 48 hours in advance?

>>74283724
the last sentence doesnt really help

>>74283727
>Just eat shit bro it's so good

>>74283775
if it was something like this, there was complete miscommunication in the battle plan. they said something like golden week was going to be lots of jp for gw and that we'd just discuss the fun times in fwmc morning.
that makes it sound to me like we're getting EN fwmc morning while the rest is JP

>>74283044
Your first two questions assume the schedule is all JP or convenient for JST only both of which are not confirmed. Last one is not a question. They already acknowledged that people might leave them over this. Do you just want to make them feel bad again?

So I would rate them kys

>>74283727
or else?

>>74283798
excuse moi, we're discussing the most LIKED ruffians of the week

They should stream in chinese so i can bau bau 抱抱 in chat too.

>>74283506
>Or maybe they ignored them all at the behest of mane-chan, and are simply going to move forward, and not elaborate?

If they completely ignore the concerns of their fans I'll have a public menhera breakdown and I'll probably end up oshihen-ing them.
One of the things I love the most about them is how much they respect and care about their fans, so completely igoring us when we are worried about something would completely ruin the way I see them.

>>74283555
Imagine this being a ploy all along by FWMC to lure more of their fans into learning Japanese so that their fans can better understand them
The ruffian grooming is going out of control

I pee on Moco chan.
Fuwawa pees on me.
Moco chan has to hold in the pee.
Simple As.

>>74283727
My only issue is Mococo seemed to care about this stuff for some reason. Like she was crying over the possibility of not catering to a bunch of people that don't even belong in the fanbase to begin with. Her numberfag mentality is making her suffer for absolutely no fucking reason. She really should re-evalute her priorities.

>>74283419
Can you even watch JP hours in burgerland without fucking up your sleep or being a neet?
Streams all end up being in the morning right?

I stopped watching streams live a long time ago since they end up starting at 3AM, anyone saying they'll watch everything while having a similar deal is a neet or a liar.

>>74283850
>>74283739
I'll scrap the third part.
>>74283872
>Your first two questions assume the schedule is all JP or convenient for JST only both of which are not confirmed
True, I'm admittedly assuming based on their own vagueposting words. I could be wrong, in which case, I won't send it. If they address everything in a DIRECT way, I won't send it.
And like I said above, I'll scrap the third part.

>>74283419
those are all talk yes men bullshitters. I find it hard to believe to watch a vod in a language I don't know for hours and have no clue what my oshi is saying.

>>74283869
that's the fucking problem
we just don't know
the only thing we got isn't even what they said, but the way they said it

also they said they gonna connect with JP ruffians and even if we missed it, they gonna discuss it in fwmc morning, in EN.
nothing saying at all that we ain't gonna get no EN stream
we don't even know for sure what they consider as connecting a lot during the gw

>>74282286
>I feel like the phrase "like oshi like fan" doesn't apply to FWMC and ruffians.
FWMC are extremely needy and terrified of being abandoned, they also clearly take great pride in being loyal and honest(literally debuted with a fucking PLEDGE)
Ruffians who are currently worried are needy and worried about being abandoned, and/or are upset because of how they ended up outright lying about the future(in this case they lied about expectations they themselves set, of their own volition, unprompted and voluntarily, some of which were given as the reason for an extremely stressful period as well which literally only JUST ended)
It was never about the weeb shit. Nobody here fucking cares to even consider a single complaint given, literally all you're doing is complaining about a bunch of supposed issues that aren't even the reasons for any of the actually genuine へらる posts here.
You're fighting fucking ghosts and shitposters and letting them drive your narrative and in doing so adding fuel to a fire that didn't even need to exist because the real complaints are based on completely different concerns.
Whole ass thread that's half shitposters making half-baked ESL anti posts, and the other half being actual ruffians that are talking past one another.
And then people go and say shit like "why are you biting bait?" when you niggers are literally doing nothing but addressing the bait while ruffians who are upset are getting called sisters which makes their doomposting worse and the ruffians trying to defend FWMC are only giving serious replies to the posts in the thread that are the ones that aren't even the menhera ruffians in the first place
"not like oshi like fan" my ass, all of you are as retarded as they are about thinking through your choices, if fuwamoco wanted to they could literally find enough material between themselves and the ruffian collective to have a 24 hour long marathon of "misunderstandings" because you niggers are cursed by fucking god to always fail at navigating the meat of any and all conversations in favor of getting one-guyed exclusively by the people who you shouldn't be replying to in earnest while ignoring every single genuine reply as if you are fucking allergic
Autists, every last mother fucking one of you
Me too for that matter, because I still made this effortpost despite explaining quite explicitly how it's fucking worthless to effortpost in the first place
God damnit I have NEVER seen a fanbase that has the potential to be genuinely wonderful fail miserably at it exclusively because of how inept all of you are at actually communicating with people
Getting fucking migraines from the lot of you
Nothing more infuriating than seeing something that you know could be so much better than it is fail to do so for no other reason than a complete inability to both comprehend a conversation and articulate their thoughts appropriately within said conversation

>>74283944
>Like she was crying over the possibility of not catering to a bunch of people that don't even belong in the fanbase to begin with
Yet those are the people they both purposefully tried to appeal to for the last 8 months. They know this, and you should also know this too. They're genuinely heartbroken at the thought of LOSING these fans, too.

>>74283966
how come IRyStocrats can deal with 6 hours straight of JP collab but not you?

>>74283044
Realistically speaking, this happens to every popular holomem. The more a holomem has subs/viewers, the less she has supacha yomi. FWMC read tons of supas because they were still in their first growth phase. Miko and Subaru still read many supas despite the popularity though but the others dont anymore.

>>74283419
We'll see if the person in question does show up to every stream like they claim.

>>74283966
>I find it hard to believe to watch a vod in a language I don't know for hours and have no clue what my oshi is saying.
I do wonder how the fuck I managed to do that for oyabun vod, the few time she actually streams

>>74283984
Collabs were never the problem

>>74283948
I've watched JP for years while working a 10-6. It absolutely will kill your sleep schedule, but you surprisingly get very good at becoming a biphasic sleeper that sleeps before and after the stream

>>74284033
then how are you so sure the GW even gonna have JP solos

>>74283984
They've been dealing with it for years, RUFFIANS haven't. They had the occasional JP stream and collab(which was never an issue), but never an entire week(assumption based on their own words, I know). They also implied that they'll increase the JP streams as well. They directly stated that this wouldnt happen early on, telling the JP ruffians to "look forward to JP collabs, cause solos will be VERY VERY rare"

>>74284063
nta but if it's literally all collabs, then I won't have any menhera complaints. But based on what they said, they'll 100% have solo streams to directly interact with new fans

>>74283419
I became Japanese.

>>74284102
>But based on what they said, they'll 100% have solo streams to directly interact with new fans
not really, they're REALLY vague about that

>>74283727
>they will do whatever the fuck they want, cope with it or fuck off
Go back to /morig/, this is the FWMC thread and despite the profligate anti posting interspersed throughout, this is still a thread about vtubers who claim to care about and cater to their fans.
Your girlboss is in another castle, fucking retard

>>74284113
True... I guess since they were so ridiculously vague, that means everything is true

>>74284137
EVERYTHING IS PERMITTED

>>74284162
zero collab
100% JP stream
Bunny Garden

>>74284063
I'm not concerned about GW because it's a holiday and that will pass. It's if 1 or 2 jp solo streams become a regular thing every week that has me worried. See, this is why I wish they clarified if it was only for GW. There wouldn't be this many menheras if we knew straight up if it was only for GW.

>>74283419
I mean, I said I would at least try. And I would for a time, but I don't know JP and JST primetime is not the best for me since it's so late. Realistically, I'd become a permanent VOD watcher who inches through VODS cause I don't know the language.
I know this is a hypothetical, but damn the thought makes me feel so alone kek Going from a language + TZ that match my lifestyle to a language and TZ that do not sounds ruff as fluff

>>74283973
Good post, and I'd like to add to it but you've already said everything needed to be said

>>74283985
Some of them maybe. Hopefully fuwamoco can realize the mistake they've made sooner rather than later and stop catering to the wrong type of crowd or they're just going to keep running into problems in the future. They need to embrace the things that they like to attract only the fans that actually care about them, even if the numbers wont be as high. Dropping the numberfag mentality is needed for that.

>>74284063
I don't even mind GW as all JP itself. I'll treat it as just a special event. I'm waiting for the weeks after until they clarify on it.
Just with GW, as long as its regular streams and not a choose your adventure stream. God dammit I have a feeling in my gut the week will end with one public and one members. reasoning wise it makes best sense. it's a unique unforgettable stream. it pushes people to join membership. it's something they like doing. It has the feeling of a 'conclusion' to the week.
but I want to be wrong. I predicted the karaoke announcement being a JP move awhile back and got shit on in the thread for it. I'm hoping my gut feeling is just delusions.

>>74284178
>Bunny Garden
We get Bunny Garden... but at what cost?

>>74284137
Being vague about anything is always a bad sign with anyone. I'm expecting the worst.

>>74283973
good a much needed laugh, thanks anon

>>74284249
jp only

>>74284246
>the week will end with one public and one members
This will break me if I'm being honest.

I got a mandatory 3 day vacation from this place a few days ago for being mean to Filipinos (derogatory). I see I missed the clusterfuck over them being ambiguous about the JP streams other than there will be more. I love them and I'll keep watching what I can but man they could have worded everything a lot better to minimize everyone freaking out.

>>74284235
>only the fans that actually care about them
I would say most feeling a bit menhera DO care about them. You can be critical or disagree with a decision someone you love makes. It doesn't mean you hate them. And yeah, being vague and crying while talking about a POTENTIAL massive change in content is enough to make even the sanest EOP a bit concerned

>>74283419
I'm EOP and watch JP all the time. JP got me into this. There are many like me. But no I don't stay up until 5AM.

>>74284246
well this probably just plunge you to the deep end, but let's think about it
what's the CYOA gonna be about
golden week is a collection of holiday, of course, but none of them particularly standout on their own other than the fact that they're done back-to-back
there's also no particular festivities you done as part of golden week

so what's it gonna be about?

>>74284113
>doomposting while sobbing profusely and talking about fans abandoning them
>vagueposting about the future while focusing on negative changes exclusively
>fumbled words hard enough to contradict themselves in the same stream
>no meaningful concrete resolution
>started today clearly still in a cloudy mood
>no plans for addressing or clarifying it based on the schedule
>accusations towards manager manipulating them
>all this after over a month of constant menhera posting from both them and ruffians
Man all of this menhera posting really makes me scratch my head, I wonder what could be causing it, so weird!

>>74284273
they pulled this shit back on NY tho

>>74284162
the week
>hehe so... we heard you ruffians were interested in us playing so please teach us onegaishimasu
100% JP
100% Mahjong

>>74284246
>and one members.
No. They explicitly said their NEXT membership stream will be playing games with us. I know there's all this talk about them lying(intentionally or otherwise) but they would never lie so blatantly like that.

I feel that in reality, because of how vague they were about everything, most of this talk is pointless.
Like, the closest thing we have is that they will be doing more for GW and then have less streams for a while when catching up on homework, with another proclamation that they wouldn't drift away from us or leave us, that their focus would still be English because they are most comfortable in it and are HoloEN.
I would recommend to anyone actually worried, take some time to get your head on straight, and wait for how things pan out over the next month or so.
They are trust-worthy girls in my opinion, though they def gotta work on that communication skill. lmao

>>74284378
>100% Mahjong
Maybe I wouldn't mind skipping those streams

>>74284378
I tried my best to convince them to not play mahjong tho...

Just watch the VODs you menheras, they said it's fine. It's your own fault you got addicted to attention in chat instead of the content

>>74284378
they shit talked it during the mengen lmao

>>74284440
It's not the attention in chat, It's literally the content.

>>74284440
action speaks better than words so I'll wait until schedule

>>74284440
>it's fine ruffians!
>we are just going to stream less and add more jp streams
>but nothing will change!

>>74284357
Even if that schizo goggle interpretation of the stream was true, it doesn't imply what you claimed at all. Schizo.

>>74284402
>I would recommend to anyone actually worried, take some time to get your head on straight, and wait for how things pan out over the next month or so.
>They are trust-worthy girls in my opinion, though they def gotta work on that communication skill. lmao
Thanks. I'm gonna make this sentence the LAST thing I read in this thread for at least a couple weeks.
Goodnight

>>74283780
>if next week's stream is just 6 EN streams and 2-3 JP ones
If you mean GW, then all this menhera posting will really be funny if that's the case
That's just a normal schedule

>>74284402
It's just EOPs and burgers scared out of their minds. Feels good to understand some nihongo and live in GMT +9.

>>74283912
jesus fuck that fuwawa outfit

At this rate the best collab they could arrange right now would be a collab with a fucking marriage counselor for a session between themselves and their chat

>>74284055
I envy your talent. I tried sleeping before the streams but just ended up dead tired long before I got home and wanting to kill myself after a few months.

>>74284334
Whats keeping you from moving past being an EOP anon? I'm an utter brainlet and lazy to boot, and even I managed to learn a few thousand words over the past few years.

>>74284526
night ruffian

>>74284526
Take a nice vacation, anon. See you when you get back.
>>74284529
Yes, I'm expecting that for golden week. That's going to be the whole ass doomposting worry shit.

What would be a problem if they had a weekly JP only stream? kek I dont think they stream in Japanese everyday. They could have a few JP only streams a week due to a schedule issue but Its not like they are gonna drastically reduce EN streams and abandon EN fans. Shouldnt they even have the weekly one? If you say so, I have to say you are becoming a parasocial menhera fan.

Seems many Ruffians here are becoming like yakkai fans or so called kiyuu-min/杞憂民 = concern people.

>>74283954
I want some guarantee that you'll be posting this on main and you're not some sister shitposting on an alt. There has been a lot of that but this is too important to stay silent. Or even if you're not a sister, sending this on an alt will ruin the effect. They need to see that actual real Ruffians who watch them have genuine worries and not just schizo fears.

>>74284440
>It's your own fault you got addicted to attention in chat instead of the content
...B-but everything being said is quite literally entirely based around their content...

>>74284585
im not a cuck so no thanks

>>74284335
not that hard to make a plotline. doesn't even have to be specific on something.
>mc has time off for golden week
>fwmc have time off
>they nag you to hang out
>there is the Hirosaki Cherry Blossom Festival or some equivalent
>you join them
>later that day there is a fireworks show
>scene ends saying you love fuwamoco all in JP no subtitles since it's improv

>>74284533
>t's just EOPs and burgers scared out of their minds
I mean, yeah. A change in content/direction after 8 consistent months is worrisome, especially if you don't know the language and they gave no indication that they would potentially do the streams more regularly.
>>74284585
It's only really an issue for me if it replaces EN streams, which is something they said they never want to do. Even doing a weekly JP stream goes against their own words, but I could deal with it I guess.
The part that would suck is they'd start a weekly JP playthrough, which would introduce more FOMO than them simply playing one off games.

>>74284628
AAIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOP

>>74284628
see, the problem is that there ain't that kind of big seasonal festival on golden week

>>74284440
>you got addicted to attention in chat
I won't lie and say that I don't enjoy talking with the ruffians, but I'm also not going to say that I don't view the "live" aspect an important part of FWMC's streams. I dislike vods

>>74284588
Oh, it WILL be a sister alt. If you think it's important, you can send it on your main instead?
>coward
Yes, I am. I don't really want to be public enemy number 1 like lockwhyte.

>>74284585
No. They have limited time and energy and that limit will only grow smaller as they get busier. Once they get 3D, expect to see a HUGE reduction in their schedules. Remember the year Suisei did 35 3D appearances in Birthday and Anniversary lives? And she said she had to turn some down. Can you imagine Fuwamoco turning any down? Every appearance is singing and dance practice and recording.

>>74284526
Godspeed

>>74284585
>They could have a few JP only streams a week
>but Its not like they are gonna drastically reduce EN streams
Anon I'm sorry but you have to understand how silly you sound here
I don't even think Irys has had JP only stream weeks before, and unlike Fuwamoco she is literally Japanese and has been doing JP streams as a mainstay for literal months

>>74284628
fireworks is a summer thing
cherry blossom season already passed
golden week is always on this kind of awkward time like this, yea
the "festivities" if there's even one, is more subdued and doesn't seems to be something they'd go out of their way to recreate in a vn

>>74284683
There's already of dozens of less than positive comments on the member VOD.

>>74284330
I suppose she's getting back the same energy she put out. Even from legit ruffians. Probably something she should work on.

>>74283727
imagine this being one of the two lolcows

I didn't expect the husband race to thin this quickly

>>74284548
I've picked up words here and there but anything beyond that is just guessing from context. I can't follow zatsus at all, but I'll still leave the voices I like in the background.

>>74284683
They won't read it if they see a 1st superchat next to a name they don't recognize. The reason they read lockwhite was because it was his main account and he was a regular. You'll just get skipped like all the other alts that have tried this when it was during a fubuki collab.

>>74284661
>>74284715
the cherry blossoms festival and fireworks were activities I looked up to see if they exist on GW. may not be seasonally known but they do happen. my point is that a plot can be made one way or another. hell it could be just hanging out on golden week. I only dont want a cyoa to made. that's my one hope.

>>74284687
This. They mentioned how streams WILL slow down a lot in the coming days after GW while also saying they want to stream in JP to interact with JP fans more(whatever that means). This implication is that not only will we get LESS EN streams due to them being busy, but they'll also be doing more JP streams.
An increase in the rate of JP streams while simultaneously decreasing the amount of EN streams makes things sound pretty dire, imo. IF true, that is. We still don't know at all, seeing as this is all speculation based on their own words.

>>74284585
I keep saying it, but the problem isn't a weekly JP stream, it's whether JP streams will be replacing EN streams
Hell, it could be a homework day but still have a JP stream scheduled because it's at an extremely convenient time and I wouldn't mind. They did that in the past but they added a guerilla stream that day because they must've seen menhares /here/ doomposting about it

>>74284819
If you just give your brain something to work with it'll do the heavy lifting for you. A 3 months crash course goes a long way if you're constantly exposed to the language.

>>74284840
no I mean, if they want to make a VN that's also really catchy for JPnikki only, that means they need to make it something special, seasonal, and not possible if it's not in JP
I honestly can't think of any so yeh

>>74284834
It would be around $300 and coming from a membered account, and it would be addressing things they KNOW they need to talk about. I don't think it would be skipped. Plus those ones were obvious anti superchats.

>>74284911
You'd be better off posting it on the members VOD honestly, also it'd save you money. I'm pretty sure they are reading everything on that.

>>74284896
>They did that in the past but they added a guerilla stream that day because they must've seen menhares /here/ doomposting about it
That was mostly cause people mentioned that it went against their promise to not "replace an EN stream with a JP one."

>emperor's birthday
>reminder that they got nuked
>another emperor's birthday
>children day
now that I see it, that's a pretty mediocre set of holiday, if not goddamn depressing
I guess that's why may blues is a thing over there

>fuwamoco jp-only cyoa ft. their children with jp-nikki
holy fuck that would send me

>>74284968
Yeah sure, probably. There's no real indication that they'll read it OR that they'll even address any of it, though, which is my main thing here.

>>74284639
>It's only really an issue for me if it replaces EN streams, which is something they said they never want to do
That's unfortunately the issue. Remember how when antis pushed hard on this, we were able to tout them saying on stream quite explicitly that "nothing will change"?
The upcoming circumstances they described in the mengen were, quite specifically, explaining to us about how their content WILL change.
Right now that is my ONLY issue.
I trusted them enough to embarrass myself by shitting on antis with their own words and claiming that they will stick to them only to hear them say not much later that what they said was apparently a lie. Is it unreasonable for me to feel upset at them for promising something like so boisterously only to then spend that much time in hysterics while seemingly implying that what they had said less than a month ago was literally worthless?
Actions speak louder than words, that's true and always will be, but right now there is no real cope to believe that their actions will deviate from their (new) words.
You have no idea how desperately I want to trust them. But trust and blind faith are different things anon. Why am I some sort of shitposter when all I'm doing is referencing what actually fucking happened?

>>74285003
but gw haven't even happened yet

>>74284987
why do you do this anon

I think about it, and presently they wake up and stream around 10am. By 2 or so they are done. It wouldn't be crazy to get daily activities done, then around 7 stream in a jp timeslot, wrapping up for fwmc morning. Double dipping would work ok for growth, streaming a combined total of 6-8 hours a day isn't crazy at all. It'll be kind of funny if all the doom and gloom was over a schedule change as simple as that, nothing removed but more gained. I worry as thongs like 3d comes out though, company will want to work in the morning. Seeing jp slot followed by homework in english slot would definitely be frustrating. Guess we will see in a couple weeks

What are your thoughts on them trading streams for homework? I view streaming as the priority personally because the people who will view your homework results with events, VPs, shows are those people you gathered in streams. instead homework seems as a higher priority.
I just accept it as it is since they have fun with them it sounds. I just cant help but dislike it from a selfish reason.

>>74284987
you don't like care for the elderly and tree day?

>>74284519
Change implies permanence. The occasional JP stream and time off for homework is something they've always done anyway

>>74284687
Suisei isnt a good example since shes more of a Vsinger. Miko, Pekora, and Subaru stream like everyday despite the popularity. Whats more, Miko and Subaru host many original collab events.

>>74285056
tree day was an emperor's birthday until it got protested out recently so no particular culture around it has been developed yet
>care for the elderly
is this a thing
isn't it obon or smt

>>74284987
here I was reading your post thinking
>oh anon has a point
but then you had to put
>fuwamoco jp-only cyoa ft. their children with jp-nikki
jesus christ if they did that I would flip

>>74285084
Yes but aside from Subaru, Miko and Pekora are not huge into the idol thing. Seriously. A JP senpai walks up to Fuwamoco and asks them to sing and dance onstage as idols for a concert. You think they will turn that down? And every fucking senpai will want to have them, the idol twins, a great novelty! Think of the MC segments. Think of the choreography you can get. One of the main problems is scheduling, with Fuwamoco, you have 2 people who are guaranteed to be at every practice because they're always together. And they're cute and sexy so they can do any song from Mari Bakko to Homenobi. Fuwamoco will absolutely be chomping at the bit to be in as many 3D events as they can, and since they now live in Japan, they can do that.

>>74284987
>fuwamoco jp-only cyoa ft. their children with jp-nikki
I glanced over this, it's so absurd I didn't see it the first time
I would probably break, or go nuclear

>>74285113
respect for the aged day, it's in september though

>>74285069
Yes, but the rate of both will increase per their words, which would, in fact, be change.

>>74284911
It still will look bad because you did it during a public stream. I would say hold off on it until the next membership stream. And by then we might have a better idea what they plan to do after GW with jp solo streams.

>>74285175
This post really fills me with excitement, I'm looking forward to these days

>>74285047
>I think about it, and presently they wake up and stream around 10am. By 2 or so they are done. It wouldn't be crazy to get daily activities done, then around 7 stream in a jp timeslot, wrapping up for fwmc morning. Double dipping would work ok for growth, streaming a combined total of 6-8 hours a day isn't crazy at all.
This was actually what I assumed they'd do when they moved to Japan. Buuuut, it sounds like they won't be doing it this way. Maybe their HW is way more intensive they we think it is?

>>74285358
>And by then we might have a better idea what they plan to do after GW with jp solo streams.
Yeah probably cause it'll be a few weeks after GW.
But alright, I think about it some more... they have to address this stuff soon, right?

>>74285393
I don't mind losing them to concerts, its the inevitable part of the idol journey. (OK I will be sad but it will be a bittersweet sadness). I'll be damned if I lose them to haphazard attempts at getting JP viewers though.

>>74285350
>the rate of both
They said JP streams will still be occasional. Those were their words. As for not being able to stream as much due to offline work, they were sad and warning us about that long before moving to Japan

>>74285003
We just have to wait for a schedule first, anon... If they 100% did go back on it, I just want them to at least address or acknowledge it.

you know, the end of this week is also the deadline for that one RUFFIANS EXPOSEE anti-cliqueschizos
I wonder if he gonna get thru with it

>>74285533
>They said JP streams will still be occasional. Those were their words.
But they also said at the same time they want to interact with the JP fans more, which implies more than they have been...? I don't know, dog, they were all over the place with what they said

>>74285574
I hope he does, I'm getting so fucking sick of the clique pretending to be supportive yesmen when I've personally fucking seen them post menhera breakdowns about not being liked in a while. Sadly I didn't screencap them but I'm thinking about doing it myself.

AAAAAAH I caved and got the game because I found out earlier that the succubus in the middle isn't a maid, but your actual mom.

>>74285574
oh is that still happening? Due to all the jp menheraposting, I actually forgot that the clique exists

>>74285587
and that's the main issue, bad communication.

>>74285605
but cliquefags also protest a lot tho because they're fucking groomers

>>74285461
We will have a better idea on Saturday for GW. They might also explain about future streams on Saturday too.

>>74285621
>the succubus in the middle isn't a maid, but your actual mom
holy shit, based

>>74285630
groomers are yesmen, not protesters.

>>74285630
Nah all the major paypigs and shit are posting the ILL SUPPORT YOU NO MATTER WHAT EVEN IF YOU NEVER STREAM AGAIN IN ENGLISH OR AT ALL because they think that's what Fuwamoco want to hear. Just look at the members vod comments, twitter posts, and stream chat today.

Funny how this thread was filled with people pretending to be gachikoi and when they take their first positive steps toward fulfilling their dreams you all show your real face, you never cared about them or their dreams at all you only cared about how they make you feel. They can't be idols in EN, what did you expect them to do? Settle with being guests in one Mori 3D a year? The only way to do what they want is to make connections in JP.

They're going to sing, and dance, and appear in JP lives and they're going to try and reach the heights of Marine and Suisei. You can get on board or leave

>>74285629
>and that's the main issue, bad communication.
Yeah it's pretty much the crux of 90% of the menhera, I feel.

>>74285689
3/10 apply yourself

>>74285621
i will now play your game

>>74285689
>I'm gonna ignore every single post and fight a strawman I've created!
Great post.

>>74285670
you can't groom if you only say yes

>>74285587
the last jp solo was takoyaki in january
they are pretty much invisible to japan

>>74285682
you need to actually see their vod comments
and bonus point if you compare it with their immediate reaction, it's fucking hilarious how many snakes there are in the clique

>>74285727
If a groom says yes, he becomes the husband.
If he says no, he does not

nice thread

>>74285767
carlooooossss

>>74285751
>compare it with their immediate reaction,
Do you mean their chat reactions??

>>74285786
rape

>>74285807
I mean to say their immediate reaction tweet
but chat also works because there's a couple that's a bit flustered to say the least

>>74285637
True. I hope they address all or most of the concerns in the comments. There's a lot they need to either address or clear up.

>>74285751
>how many snakes there are in the clique
name and shame.

>>74285880
last time I did that, I got banned for off-topic posting, so nuh-uh, not gonna bait me again

>>74285175
>Miko and Pekora are not huge into the idol thing.
lol You just dont know jack shit about them. Subaru constantly takes tons of dance lessons and are invited to many concerts of other holomems and is an MC for a music TV show, and yet she handles all and streams like everyday. Miko produces many PVs and handles many of Covers official events like Micomet ones, plust both have many jobs from big companies and geek/otaku ones.

I dont think FWMC want to be like ex-Inonaka Vsingers like Azki or Suisei or musical vtubers like Sora or Kanata. They dont really get so much into music, and they wont have as much jobs or collabs as Miko or Subaru.

>>74285842
>I mean to say their immediate reaction tweet
Did many even do this? I know most of the ones I saw who were menhera behind the scenes (like Lim and DFS), were also menhera publicly as well.
Itta was pretty snakey though. Anal is too smart so he didn't give any indication anywhere despite the fact that he knows 0 JP

>>74285865
Yeah, I hope we get a better idea what they are planning when they tell the greys.

If the schedule for gw is a mix of EN and JP streams instead of JP only im going to grudge posts and shit on the scumbags that made negative comments in here and youtube.
Selfish assholes i hope you feel good about yourselves for making them sad

are you feeling better /baubau/

>>74285918
my timeline got filled with that not long after the stream, so yeh

>>74285948
>2 hours in
>barely bump limit
better i guess

>>74285946
>im going to grudge posts and shit on the scumbags that made negative comments in here and youtube.
Why? FuwaMoco themselves made it seem like GW is gonna be 100% in JP. Is it really the average menheras fault when FuwaMoco didn't communicate properly at all?

>>74285621
it looks kinda meh.

>>74285946
Purely curious, so that's one outcome. What will you do if doomposting ended up correct?

>>74284818
>husband race
Anon, you aren't Japanese. You were never in the race. Learning Japanese doesn't make you a proud 日本人 native.
Do you wanna know something funny? My previous oshi was, of course, a JP holo. She was also retarded. So retarded that she failed to read mildly complex kanji in video game cutscenes. So retarded that she wasn't even aware of certain Japanese slang. On dozens of occasions, I literally ended up posting in chat about what certain japanese words were when they used complex kanji or slang(not unprompted obviously, it was requested). Let me restate for clarity; I ended up CORRECTING MY JOP OSHIS JAPANESE ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS. I spoke exclusively in Japanese in chat(naturally). I did this for years. I even joked once about not knowing Japanese in chat with her and she laughed and told me to not use that excuse in order to get away from the conversation, with her going "come on I know how good at Japanese you are".
Until the very end, with every single superchat I sent(in absolutely perfect Japanese), there was a 10% chance of not just her but also several JOPs in chat going "日本語上手” afterwards.

People love to meme about becoming Japanese and they love to meme about never being Japanese. Learn from my mistakes. You will NEVER be Japanese. No matter how hard you study. No matter how much media you consume. No matter how much you study Japanese literature and even force yourself into a custom designed Japanese learning course meant to speedrun the Japanese learning progression of a native Japanese speaker from childhood to adulthood until you understand even the most obscure cultural references JOPs make that even the majority of the JOPs in chat don't get.
No matter what you do. None of it matters. None of it. You will never be Japanese. I learned Japanese so extensively that I literally sometimes get irritated at obvious grammatical mistakes made my JOPs in chat(and no I don't mean slangy shortenings, I mean trivial fuck-ups in grade school level 文法 that make the message functionally illegible)
I read college level Japanese academic texts to test myself(did you know a funny detail about higher level Japanese academic coursework is that once you get to a sufficiently high level, the coursework unironically starts recommending English resources? It's fucking hilarious, advanced academic coursework in Japan literally ends up becoming "okay now learn English" LMAO)
And yet
In spite of literally all of that
"日本語上手”
I say all this now and still I know that I scream into the wind. I scream into the wind citing archaic Japanese poetry, some of which is source material for semi-common adages used in the modern day even though the people using those adages usually never even read the source material those adages stem from in full. I could even write a full paragraph in Japanese using exclusively archaic grammar. I could write a paragraph using Japanese reserved for politicians, which use words that are almost entirely reserved for such settings and as such are often so wildly different from colloquial Japanese that actual Japanese casual listeners need to fucking google what is actually being said despite it being their own language.
All that, all that time, all that effort, yet in the end, what do I get?
日本語上手
You will never be Japanese
That is not me mocking anybody
That is not me dissuading anybody
This is the story of my life
I am reminded of the wandering jew, cursed by god to suffer an eternity of 上手 for the crime of being a white man
And yet these words will never reach any ears
The masses here will continue to throw themselves at the wall that is Japanese literacy
And in the end they will find only 上手
This is the endless cycle that fate has doomed he who seeks to be Japanese
This is the ultimate conclusion of this unyielding wheel of fate as it churns through the chimerical aspirations of the many JSL hopefuls who throw themselves endlessly into the false dream of one day becoming Japanese
上手 you are, and 上手 you will be
Such is our fate

>>74285986
You're not my oshi + you're not a cute girl

>>74285948
Sorta. I'll feel better when they clarify things later in the week.

>>74285948
I need Fuwawa asmr to feel better

>>74285786
SEX

>>74286024
Fair, but they could also do a better job communicating.

>>74285946
Every time they appear in a 3D live those ruffians will be shamed for trying to hold them back from their dreams

>>74286014
I'm not in the race, I am the race.

>>74285946
>If the schedule for gw is a mix of EN and JP streams instead of JP only im going to grudge posts and shit on the scumbags that made negative comments in here and youtube.
Do it
I'll even post a pic of me doing a dogeza in response
I'd much rather be wrong than right and I would be too happy to care about embarrassing myself over it

>>74286014
you had a hard life, Gray. 日本語上手

>>74285986
nta but I think it's a bit unfair to expect two silly girls to have perfect communication while nervous/panicking/breaking down. Personally I'm going to wait until we hear more before grabbing my pitchfork.

>>74286089
It's not holding them back. Trying and failing to get more JP subs isn't going to do anything other than alienate a bunch of EOP retards.
Doing JP solos isn't a good way to gain subs, and GW will not help them they way they think it will.
If you actually cared about their dreams like me, you'd want them to SPAM vertical streams.

>>74286014
I'm not in the race, I've already won

>>74285906
They want to be idols retard. They've loved performing on stage for decades. They will take every fucking guest spot they can.

>>74285786
ui rape

>>74286166
No I get that, I felt horrible for them. I'm simply saying they absolutely didn't communicate properly which is what led to this misunderstanding.

>>74285946
Do it if you want, I dont care. We'll never know if its the original schedule or a modified one though.

>>74286014
shoulda named yourself
>邪王真眼
instead of
>XxX_A$$_EATER$_XxX

just catching the sc reading VOD, were they crying or something before the stream? they, namely fuwawa, sounded like they were doing their best to keep up appearances. especially in the beginning. as it goes on they sound a bit better but still a bit low energy.

>>74286296
The assumption is yes, they were crying a bit. Or maybe they just woke up??
Mococo almost unambiguously cries later on as well. They're still emotional/stressed from yesterday, but they tried to keep it down and act excited.

>All the shitposts about them wanting to be holojps and settling for en were true
>All the shitposts about them wanting to become japanese were true
>All the shitposts of them ditching their english fans were true
How much do limited birthday merch sets sell for in unboxed mint condition? Genuinely asking

>>74286251
No denying that, and the crying/nervousness probably primed people to assume the worst. I guess I just wish people had a bit more faith in them, they're nice girls.

>>74286296
They woke up not long ago, plus I'm sure they at least checked the vod comments

>>74286370
almost 3x the price, up to 10x if you wait a year or so

>>74286014
>Anon, you aren't Japanese. You were never in the race. Learning Japanese doesn't make you a proud 日本人 native.
I never liked this weird, gross implication that they have a "fetish" for Japanese men when they've never once given a single indication of this. At most, fat 2D anime men.

>>74286296
they're awoke until 2AM the day before so...

>>74286296
There was a part where you could tell fuwawa choked up and Mococo started to bau bau.

>>74286296
that or just woke up is my guess. they were shakey at parts so I'm guessing crying.
they went through a rough weekend
>ollie collab cancelled when they hate schedule changes
>one of if not their favorite idol group disbanded
>mococo migraine
>member stream happens
>mixed reactions. some outright stinging
>natto corner skipped on fwmc morning. mococo still has headache
>they have to power through a sc reading
>then they have MORE homework piled throughout all of this
they were vaguely hinting at the mixed feelings on the battle plan throughout the sc reading. it's clear this is on their minds pretty heavily

>>74286399
Hey the good thing about them pandering to the JPs is there will be more of a market for their merch later on.

I'm kidding please don't leave us Fuwamoco. I've cried so much today.

>>74286014
I understood the frustration of getting 日本語上手'd when I found a youtuber who does his content in Japanese. He gets hundreds of comments in his videos of which only 5-10% are about the content of the video. The rest are of the comments are people whose brains are doing backflips because a gaijin is speaking good Japanese.

>>74286429
Fucking kek

>>74286417
> it's clear this is on their minds pretty heavily
It's on my mind like a fucking neutron star. It's all I've been able to think about. I couldn't sleep last night so I missed FWMC morning. I've felt like shit all day, just been around in a funk. I can't even remember if I took a shower today. I take a shower every day.

>>74285918
>Anal is too smart so he didn't give any indication anywhere despite the fact that he knows 0 JP
Oh my fucking god I completely blanked on this
That guy is a massive paypig complete with DMs too, but given his full on EOPness he's clearly not one of the many JP oshi chads amongst the ruffians, he's a full on EOP throwing thousands of dollars at them and yet he could end up being put in a position where he ends up only being able to catch streams of theirs that he can actually watch maybe twice a week or something, and that's just the potential prognosis now, who knows what might start happening in those all too common moments when off-stream duties end up pulling them away into even more limited opportunities to stream
I'm not nearly at his level but I've given several thousands myself with DMs of my own from names I won't mention and was in communication with several others who were almost at his level and I hope to god the doomposting ends up being absolute fiction for the sake of him and others like him because there is nothing quite as painful as going all in and hiding all negativity while it builds in the background because once people like that do lose their faith it is one of those things that is absolutely heartbreaking to see. The worst kind are the ones who don't clean break too, but instead just grow cold without saying anything because their continued presence ends up being nothing more than a constant reminder of how different things used to be.

I'm a little impressed with much of a turn the thread sentiment seem to have taken. Whether it's all sisters or funposters or whatever I don't really care, but it feels like it wasn't too long ago jp schizos would be told to fuck off in droves yet now there have been countless of threads in succession with tons of concern posting.

>>74286417
>they were vaguely hinting at the mixed feelings on the battle plan throughout the sc reading. it's clear this is on their minds pretty heavily
Yeah I can imagine. They probably read a lot of the VOD comments. It's also been on my mind all day, too.

>>74286358
>>74286416
>>74286417
ah figures. that sucks but it’s be expected i guess. also is it me or did some superchats from the backlog get skipped?

>>74286221
MR JOHN ADVERTISER, GET DOWN!

>>74286509
none get skipped, they just finished the return stream sc and then cut it short by going into today's sc

>>74286471
Why do people make up stuff like this? For what purpose? Fuwamoco if you're here, what I'm replying to is clearing a shitpost where they've exaggerated their emotional state, seemingly to give tourists a bad impression of ruffians or to bait sympathy? Anyway it's not indicative of most well-adjusted ruffians feelings - certainly not mine.

>>74286509
they didn't read the freechat ones. i think they are saving those for another day.

i just things to go back to normal. i want to memoryhole sunday.

>>74286497
god I wish anal is gone

>>74286399
Well that's a silver lining for this whole thing. At least I only lost time rather than money

>>74286286
My name is a Japanese ojigag actually
They have a sixth fucking sense for this shit, I swear to god.

>>74286497
good I wish he's gone along with SG, 12, and 9 too

>>74286497
>That guy is a massive paypig complete with DMs too
>I'm not nearly at his level but I've given several thousands myself with DMs of my own from names I won't mention and was in communication with several others who were almost at his level
What the fluff are you talking about? Are you DMing ither piggies?

>>74286572
I'm not making shit up you faggot.

ruffians have been mindbroken so bad over jp collabs happening that you’d think fuwamoco announced they’d collab with the homos or that there was a boyfriend yab.

>>74286471
Same here, though I did take a shower.

>>74286605
>along with SG, 12, and 9 too
what does this mean

>>74286632
the way the schizos push it, the angle is that the JP viewers are the homos/boyfriend, which is pretty silly.

>>74286497
>send thousands of dollars to your oshi
>they abandon you and start pandering to a people whose language you don’t speak for an entire week
roru roru oh no anal only rumao

>>74286632
>ruffians have been mindbroken so bad over jp collabs happening
literally none of this is over JP collabs.

>>74286647
you don't need to know, but they will know

>>74286572
>Why do people make up stuff like this?
Why do you assume people make it up? Some people just have very strong emotions that effect them physically

>>74286399
Really? That's pretty good appreciation. I got 3 of each.

>>74286632
There are only a handful of menhera ruffians who give a shit about this. The rest are sisters, mythfags and the rest of the detritus on this board piling in to get their kicks in because they've been waiting for this chance since debut

>>74286632
jp solo streams. Enough to get them 200k subscribers within 4 months

>>74286605
R3 already soft-retired too, it's fucking amazing

>>74286497
Anal is Gabe btw

>>74286599
There's certain types of mistakes that only foreigners make when speaking a foreign language and you only need to trip up once and the gig is up.

>>74286407
it's rm shit. don't engage

stop talking in code

>>74286676
We're now in the part where since this was a mengen, sisters and seaniggers and dramafags are all just making shit up and clouding the actual issue. The exact same thing happened with Kronii, to the point people still think it was the male collabs.

wednesday will be much worse

>>74286572
NTA but I am the anon who mentioned struggling with a mixed state earlier and like I said I could even prove it but for multiple obvious reasons I'm not going to do that. I'm also quite obviously unironically mentally ill though so I feel like me reacting in a way that isn't healthy is kind of...you know, the kind of thing that comes with being mentally ill. I feel bad talking about this but I'm paranoid as fuck at the moment so I took this comment as calling me a liar and I can't fucking handle that shit right now when I'm on edge like this. I'm sorry.

>>74286578
Aren't you ready for round 2 when they have to drop that GW bomb on the greys? I might just skip it. Hearing them cry broke my heart and I refuse go through that again.

>>74286497
I do not care about your discord friends, keep your slapfights there.

>>74286732
What? No, it isn't. He's just a JPfag who thinks just because they're otaku girls, they must have a fetish for a specific race of people

i’m gonna stay with the novelties and pebbles for awhile, good luck ruffirinos

At least Mococo has Fuwawa to hug her and give her headpats. I have nobody. Physical contact is so underrated. I hear there are hug therapists now because lonely men are such a problem and some men burst into tears when they get a hug from a woman who isn't family.

>>74286605
>>74286703
WHAT THE FLUFF DOES THIS MEAN??? HOEH??? HAEH?????

>>74286632
Bruh, we WANT more JP collabs. It's solo streams after GW being common in their schedules going forward that has us acting like crying babies.

>>74286806
You're better off not knowing, Mogotyan

>>74286778
They'll probably announce fast like its nothing then move on. They already said what they wanted to say.

>>74286787
It is. It came to light when antis were liveposting on /trash/

Remember when we were gorillaposting about Koyori FWMC sex a few days ago? That feels so long ago after Sunday...

Be there for the homewo- I mean, Q&A stream tomorrow night after FWMC Morning. Lots of good questions were asked that I’m sure you’d want hear the answers to concerning themselves, their future, and even their “real” stance on gachikoi.

top 20 SCers and their vod comment sentiment
for overall sentiment positive outnumbers negative by a lot but negative have higher average likes

>>74286841
>we
I do not care about collabs regardless of who the partner is. I tolerate them though.

>>74286798
I'd give you a hug because I could use one too. Not gay shit btw.

>>74286929
I am in those threads, so no you're wrong.

>>74286998
They're all full of shit. They just want to appear outwardly yesmen but these are the same people who go schizo over not being liked every day. They have dozens of Fuwamoco likes and it's still not enough. Fuwamoco pivoting to Japan would give them a lot fewer chances to be read and more competition on Twitter. Then see how long their support lasts.

>subtle cuckposting
>doxnigger anti starts posting
Everytime

Worst fanbase

>>74287063
>these are the same people who go schizo over not being liked every day.
Top 10 here, I don't.

>>74287063
top 20 here, I don't even have twitter

>>74286998
If theres something ive learned from observing them for a while is that they're two faced at best.

>>74287063
Top 50 here, I don't even have a computer

>>74287063
top 2 here
I don't even donate anymore

>>74287111
Actual top 10 here, you're lying.

>>74286998
top dog here, i’m hungry

>>74287063
Top 5 here, I don't even know who fuwamoco are

>>74287144
>definitely real fan btw

>>74286617
I started a discord server with all the gachikoi of my ex-oshi in order to co-ordinate against a bunch of JP anti-unicorn schizos who took to systemically ratioing and using alts to QRT harassment and even death threats to anybody who they deemed was a gachikoi or unicorn. Also DMs with the same sort of content. It was almost entirely grays who were essentially JP homo beggars whereas the gachikoi I knew and eventually formed a group with were, in total, roughly ~70% of all the SC income my ex-oshi received.
I did it in order to out the obvious harassment campaign and made sure to convince all of them to agree to disband the server once we dealt with that issue, and after it was resolved I did just that.
I don't make a habit of being some cancerous bizarre unicorn cabal ringleader, but these people ended up causing multiple problems including several crying fits from my oshi over situations that happened because of them but also were discrete enough on their part to make it so that she never realized the reason. I would never condone such insane tactics under normal circumstances, but those homobeggar faggots were basically begging for a war and had been up to those kinds of antics for nearly two months unopposed. I have them the war they wanted and after a few weeks of work that project of mine ended up with 95% of their names never appearing in my oshis chat ever again.
I will gladly admit to being insane, and I'd fucking do it again. I will be insane to protect what I love. People who feel powerful online deserve to be reminded of consequences.
But that is ancient history, after all this is clearly just elaborate fabrication on my part since only a fool would believe anything written on 4chan, after all.

>>74286998
We were supposed to leave vod comments?

>>74287063
some of them could just comment in japanese
from my notes at least 4 of them seem to know it
couldn't track down twitters for all

>>74287063
Top 1000 here, I already got my 100th likes yesterday, I'm content

>>74286998
top nigga here

what is wrong with ruffians?

>>74287247
cloudy feelings

>>74287209
Kek undeniably baused

oh i see the mgs autist got another huge W

>>74287227
you can't say the kari-chan

>>74287209
>I started a discord server
gay, kys and then go back

>>74287209
I think this would only work on 2view or similar small chuuba. Otherwise why the fuck haven't you done this for Fuwamoco and rid of us of the cancer in this fanbase?

>>74287247
Dekinai

decocakechama…

likeschizos....

>>74286998
I want names only if to see if im top 20. Also did you properly get all the membership SCs?

cloudy feelings return...

>>74287201
Youre free to believe what you want.

menherabros…don’t look…

Did something actually happen or is everyone just vagueposting for shits and giggles? I don't see a new member post or anything.

>>74287425
sorry, mad dogs only. private info.

AHHH THEY LIKED 2 JAPANESE RUFFIANS FUCK.

>holofest merch arrived in my forwarder the very next day I shipped my valentine set and holoemblem
MOTHERFUCKERS

>>74287425
just the usual doomposting

>>74287425
Nah there's no mengen post. They just liked a few sweet posts from a couple Ruffians, and retweeted a few things

>>74287367
only if you sent after the stream started

>>74286450
Sort of reminds me of this one channel where an old lady is talking about anime games and merchandise and most people only seem to care about how surprising it is that someone her age is into this sort of thing. Channel name was food4dogs.

oh, they cancelled tomorrow stream

pack it up bois, we won't get the answer to gachikoi

>>74287472
no... it's over

>cancelled
NOOOOOOOOOOO

>>74287508
kek that’s unsurprising

The fuck are you talking about, tomorrow was a homework day?

it's yall fault