/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Who?

>>74229736
uhoh

>>74229736
Pomu is next. Holokek narrative of Kiara nepo hiring her is dismantled. Her oshi is in vshojo and her friend matara is there too. Plus in vshojo she has the freedom to make her channel about idol stuff so expect her to be their first idol.

How many times does this have to happen before /vt/ admits Vshojo is good?

>>74230055
soon

>>74230108
that belly is full of idol dreams

>>74229736
VShojo actively supports the talents, while Nijisanji leaves them to fend for themselves. Nothing surprising here.

>>74230055
Pomu / Mint is basically at a point where she can choose whatever she wants to do next.

>>74229736
So which ExNiji is this? It's hard to follow this shit.

>>74229736
It's crazy how every former organ talk shit on nijimanagement at every opportunity and the sisters keep supporting them but Doki don't say anything and they attack her for being ungrateful and unprofessional.

>>74230093
anon, this is like going from an abusive parent to a groomer, the groomer might treat you better but you know both are fucked up

>>74230093
Don't underestimated people's biases, anon.

>>74230316
She can choose anything, except joining Hololive.

>>74230316
And if hololive doesn't pull their head out of their asses then they'll lose the opportunity on getting her. Pomu also has bills to pay you know. She's not going waste waiting 6 months until cover decides to do another auditioning for a new gen only for hololive to possibly pass on her again.

>>74230334
>but Doki don't say anything
because niji did itself? KEK

>>74230334
They're attacking Doki exactly because she refuses to mention Nijisanji or even allude to them. They're desperately trying to get her to say something.

>>74230334
>and the sisters keep supporting them
the sisters HATE michi, kuro, mata and mint just as much as they hate doki and just as much as they will hate rosemi and scarle as soon as they are free

>>74230586
The sisters only care about the company and the vtuber models, oh, and the merch. They're as soulless as their beloved CEO.

>>74230578
does she really need to say anything? They were retard enough to post pics proving the management is lazy and useles.

>>74230756
That's not how the sisters view it, because they're pathetic brainless morons who follow the narrative that management / clique / leading fans (yes, there are those too) have laid out, despite every piece of evidence contradicting that narrative.

>>74229736
people still dont understand that vshojo isnt "better", is just that nijisanji is worst then all

>>74229736
Matara or Gunrunt must have told her to sing praises to make their trash-tier twitch corpo look better than it actually is.

>>74230055
>Holokek narrative of Kiara nepo hiring her is dismantled
>He thinks Hologods want Luca's number 1 cock-sleeve in Hololive
roru
rumao
she will fit right in in Vwhorejo

>>74231003
holocope

>>74231003
sure sister... Sure

>>74230533
So? Pomu was never even the biggest talent in Lazulight.
She has very dedicated fans, but she's not a big hitter.
She's be Kiara tier at best if Holo took her in.

>>74230533
>they'll lose the opportunity on getting her
RORU talk about having your head up your ass

>>74230533
good. she can fuck off

>>74231106
sour grapes KEK

>>74231003
Of course she'll sing praises for them nijikek. She's making more than 2% percent now and in a few years she'll be a multimillionaire in sea thanks to that opportunity. I know you people are conditioned by chinks to learn to eat shit and like it but that's no excuse to be retarded.

>>74231003
Yeah, and the Nijilivers praising their "Nijisanji Family" was honest, and totally not mandated by management.

>>74229736
>>74230055
>>74230093
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJ3j_-NyGfI

You asked for it.

>>74230756
That's probably why the sisters hate her the most, despite Doki herself doing very little to stroke the hated that NijiEN has received compared to Kyo and virtually every other ex-EN who makes being a victim their personality. Same thing with Pomu, they just moved on with their lives and go back to streaming. Meanwhile, NijiEN's management and 2/3 of their livers on the black screen video made themselves look like complete fools in front of the EN vtubing scene. Even now some of their livers (usually male) still get into trouble and make asses of themselves on stream or on their roommate accounts.

Nijisanji helped you become a big vtubing name and then you graduated on a good terms with them. And then you reincarnate with a new character and model, fires shots and toxic attacks at the hands that used to feed you. Every.Single.Fucking.Time.With.These.Ungrateful.Fucks. Just go and enjoy your new life, no need to be an ungrateful little fuck who can't keep her whore mouth shut.

>>74231288
wow sister if a huge menhera doesn't like it then it has to be bad

>>74231159
none of what that anon said is false though. pomukeks love propping her up as if shes some sort of gura killer whos too high and mighty for hololive

>>74231106
You sure about that, retard?

>>74231288
Anon, silver is a know liar. She told a bunch of retard lies to her diamond tier discord only to delete all of it later when she was exposed like saying she was "suspended". HOW THE FUCK she got suspended if she controls her account and emails? KEK

>>74231288
Oh good. A vague statement by an ex talent. Now I'm convinced.

>>74231288
I don't watch vshojo guess what faggot I could not give two single fucks about this and that grifter whore silvervale.

>if it makes you feel any better, we can make up some rules and, you know, ease you in
Holy shit this woman is fucking traumatized

>>74231364
Shut the fuck up, Millie.

>>74230209
They don't even do that. They actively trip over their own dicks trying to prevent them from getting snything done.

>>74231103
ESL reading comprehension sure is something

>they have to use Silver for their bait
Oh no no no no...

>>74231106
>Pomu was never even the biggest talent in Lazulight
You fucking what?

>>74231637
Kurosanji, that is

>>74231748
sister is overdosing in copium

>>74229736
They flew out to fucking SEA to setup deals so it would be easier for SEA people to get her merch. And people hate on Vshojo for some reason.

>>74230209
>Support
At least Niji pays their talent a salary that helps them out regardless of their numbers. Vshojo leave you to collect whatever your subs get you which means the ones that don't stream don't get anything towards their livelyhood

>>74231103
>hologods
Gods don't cry over petty shit such as males on stream.

>>74231916
wrong again... Do your reps sister.

>>74230334
Yeah, she just did the same thing every other ex Niji does and make vague posts shitting on Niji while also smearing their reputation because of her spurned ego

>>74229736
I mean beyond anything else, its pretty widely known that ID was completely fucking abandoned and got literally no support at all. She probably had it way worse than anyone from EN.

>>74231916
That would be Hololive. Nijisanji is a free for all.

Can they just follow Doki's or Mint's example and just shut the fuck up ? We all know nijisanji is trash, it just comes as pity baiting at this point, especially from the shitters like Kuro who got obvious preferential treatment.

>>74232059

>>74232193
no. You tears are mighty tasty.

>>74231288
Reminder that she deleted this vod just in time when Filian was going to react to it and talk to her chat about it

>>74229736
You cannot astroturf vshojo into being likeable. when iron mouse "won" in the category of content creator of the year at the Xbox award show. It's clear they fixed it as botan who had a sponsorship with Xbox is not even followed by Geoff Keighley but he follows iron mouse. Vshojo buys and pays for people to support them publicly

>>74231106
>So? Pomu was never even the biggest talent in Lazulight.
Oh man, this is incredible bait.

>>74231288
This is the girl that was numberfagging and tweeted complaining that she had fewer viewers than some of the other girls

>>74232321
I fucking hate nijitrash like you couldn't believe, but I also hate people riding on Doki's story just to get easy views and traction.

>>74232330
she deleted because people was starting to question her story. There were even articles about her claims and fans calling bullshit on her comments.

>>74230586
>>74230663
This is some fucking irony here.

>>74232383
mouse should rent her new home and live rent free on your head anon.

>>74232193
Not going to happen, they just want to ride the wave surrounding Selen's drama and hope the same happens to them. There are some talents that got shafted harder than shitters like Kyo or Kuro, but they either are mentally broken like Sayu or they managed to carry on like Pomu and Selen.
Granted, you can also make an argument that there were more friends willing to help them out at the time compared to Sayu's case. But her recent drama last week showed that she isn't helping her current situation either. Its like she's addicted to self sabotage.

>>74232383
>he's still crying 5 months later
FILIAN YOU FUCKING HARLOT

>>74232330
filian did react to it. and her very awkward reaction is one of the main reasons why it's private

>>74232383
That's not it. You should thank westerners for that for treating ironlung like she's some sort make a wish foundation kid and gathering all this pity and sympathy for her. If ironlung was healthy we'd be seeing a different result.

>>74232619
https://vocaroo.com/1aFXxkwXPL4J

>>74232383
Anon this happened way back in the first week of December it's time to move on

>>74230533
All out war lol

>Mochi: I want thing
>Vshojo: Okay we'll send you thing by tomorrow
>Mochi: w-what?
>Vshojo: I know, I'm sorry, we can't do thing any faster, we'll do it tomorrow morning
>she later said she's used to having to wait 3 weeks
This woman needs goddamn therapy after what they did to her

>>74232719
>>74232752

>>74230055
I hope she gets in vshitshow so you neggars stop begging for her to become a holo.

>trying to attack mochi failed
>switching tactics to the good old "SHE'S FAKING IT" target
How much is a flight from Jakarta to Chicago anyway?

>>74232079
Pretty much, a lot of people will shit in EN while fucking ID was such a tax rip off, they never gave a shit about them and wonder why most of them ended up leaving. Going from that to what the clip says, which is basically just her saying that VShojo's managers took her shitty delirious ideas, (like having a whole skit for the teasers which she only said she wanted a meeting recorded, talking about how VShojo basically had a completely fucked problem with shipping to SEA and how they basically had to restructure some stuff and get with people to deal with her merch), and make it reality.

>>74230093
I wouldn't have cared if these faggots didn't make up a boogymen le idol culture to throw low blows at holos.
I don't care about their vtubers, but if their nigger fanbase wants to seethe at hololive for eternity then they are better off not existing.

>>74232383
I honestly didn't know Nyaru followed her lol

>>74232963
One thing I'll give the sisters is that Vshojo merch shipping is fucking godawful. They switched providers recently, so they're at least trying to fix it.

>>74230332
Since western fags aren't subtle anymore, it says it right in the title who it is.
>>74230334
Because people want her to be a drama yab factory, instead she rather do her thing and enjoy life. Amazing how it goes.

>>74233022
Oh man, I was wrong, THIS is irony. Never knew Holodrones could simultaneously have a superiority complex and a persecution complex. You lot need to be studied.

>>74229736
lol this is like an obligatory thing to talk about so it gets easy views yeah its getting old now

>>74232810
I hope she does too pomu deserves better than being overshadowed by someone who doesn't even stream like gawr gura.

>>74230055
How many times do you faggots need to be told that we don't want her? Do you jerk your dick to these kinds of messages, is that it? "Ooooh yeah people on the internet think I'm retarded, nnhf!" Seriously, kill yourself.

>>74231288
She never said anything about the company.

>>74233131
>Denying reality
You seriously acting like you vdrones and your "talents" haven't been shitting at holos for years? How much have you backtracked on your narrative in all these years?
Ironically enough I see this agency performing better after they looked at themselves objectively and realised that being drama vermins was poisonous to their brand, so basically they took a page out of holos book same with their idol concerts.

>>74230334
Nijisanji and the black video tried to basically smear all over her, while the others didn't had that, they left casually. So they can be Scott-Free of issues that even themselves can't really fucking justify over that shitass company, it also doesn't help that while at it, people used her image to attack others, like it's totally cool Doki is a living example of what Nijisanji can do to a former talent, but a lot of bad actors did jump in the trend and probably infuriated them.

More than anyone, I feel bad for Mint, like sure I did feel bad for Doki because it was genuinely fucked up, but just thinking someone who wanted to just chill and have cool stuff got such a bad treatment that she actually thought of quitting the industry all together is just beyond fucked up.

>>74232383
>nyaru follower
kys

>>74232802
She thought it would take 3 fucking weeks just for some voice lines KEK

>>74231467 silver does have a history of lying about alot of things but she usually tells outright lies or bold faced lies but she used a tact to describe what the situation was.

During that entire stream she "stated" and kept on insisting that she left for monetary reasons but kept mentioning iron mouse and thier relationship. it doesn't take much to understand that she overtly was not going to say ironmouse is a bitch or that she felt like iron mouse threw her under the bus when it came to the troon goons who attacked her. But she implicitly made sure everyone knew

>>74229736
>We can make up some rules for you if you want
Is this like when rape and abuse victims get into BDSM to process their trauma?

>>74233637
Dude, she only said she didn't talk to her for 7 months, that's it.
I had friends coming over after years of not talking and we cool

>>74233637
anon... She was mad at mouse for a long time because mouse got bigger numbers than her and better opportunities. Silver wants to be mouse but she doesn't want to stream everyday for more than 12 hours or do as many extra work she can... Silver wants to be bigger by doing nothing, like she was back in 2021 when vtuber was starting.

>>74233399
Sounds like cope to me watch it your unicorn mask is slipping and you won't be able to pin your tribalist wars and insecurities on nijikeks and nyfco doxxsite sisters anymore like people like you always do.

>>74233791
>>74233851
When women lie they tell bold faced lies. Besides that because iron mouse has this shield of protection when it comes to criticism and negativity you cannot outright say she is a bitch. Like I'm going to assume that it rubbed silvervale the wrong way that ironmouse for someone who she helped and worked together for 3 years up until that point as apart of vshojo wasn't willing to say it's not right to harass someone for playing a game.

>>74234319
anon you are full of shit

>>74234319
Also I know she doesn't have an immune system but I guess she doesn't have a spine either

>>74233473
>"You're denying reality!"
>Then makes shit up
Seriously, I could get a doctorate studying you Holodrones. The amount of neurosis you fucks have is astounding.

>>74234319
>wasn't willing to say it's not right to harass someone for playing a game
she literally said that tho

>>74234319
anon mouse was the only person who defended silver openly. Stop making up shit your retard and do your reps.

>>74229736
MIKA! YOU ARE BASED!!!!

>>74234319
Except she literally did defend her on stream you moron. Unlike Vei and Nyanners who she hangs out with.

>Doesn't mention Nijisanji once
>uses the NijiEN logo when she was in ID

Is "Nijisanji" just rage bait for foreigners now?

>>74230533
Or they've already hired her, and are currently in the process of finding/training her four genmates.

They don't spam waves like Niji does; and they also aren't keen to do solo debuts the way Vshojo does - apart from Irys, they haven't done a solo debut since before Gen 2 debuted. Between that and the fact that they're booked with birthday and anniversary celebrations from mid-July to mid-September, Holo EN Gen 4 will not debut before October at the absolute earliest regardless of whether or not Mint is one of the five members, and regardless of whether or not they let her join under her own IP as they did with Suisei; and if she joins under a Holo IP, whether or not they advertise her as joining them under their IP, like Idol did with Kyoresu as Riro Ron (they probably won't do that last one though; they wouldn't need to, since everyone will figure it out the moment they hear her voice)

Why does niji treat livers like shit?

>>74230055
Enjoy Luca's cum dumpster rofl

>>74235201
damn putting them side by side the new model is such a huge downgrade, it has such a retardedly extreme forehead

>>74229736
>>74235048
OH NO NO NO NO
Vshojokeks... Our narrative....

>>74235286
Oh nijisisters care about silver suddenly?

>>74229736
>>74229736
And everything keep crawling out the woodworks… Niji continues to get a lot lf L’s.

>>74230093
Being better than Niji is a very low standard. It shouldn't be anything to brag about.

>>74232469
and I hope they keep doing since niji are still bleeding subs lmao

There must be studies somewhere with patients with these mental conditions, made in a psych ward lol

>>74235423
Remember when they were mad at Silver because she talked shit about their company last year lol

>>74235286
go exposed as a retad here and made a thread to be exposed even futher... Is this some kinda of kink for you?

>>74235286
Someone is very mad today. Obsessively mad.

>>74231288
Fuming so hard that you even made a thread rumao >>74235048

>>74231748
consistently higher subs
consistently higher CCV
Pomu is the literal definition of mid. Mid tier Lazulight, mid tier indy.

>>74236213
>lost a shit ton of subs
LMAO

vshojo's ceo is not in the business for the money, he really likes vtubing, I remember him on a fleshtuber irl stream showing off a video of a vtuber concert (holo maybe) and he seem really happy about it, this was before he founded vshojo.

>>74233071
not only is it better for their fans and talent, it's in vshojo the company's best interests to fix the merch problems since that's the vast majority of revenue to pay for their operations

>>74229736
>so any rules? what can I say? what can I do?
>i mean.... we can make up some rules if it makes you feel more comfortable and ease you in
Imagine having had managers that are so atrociously bad that the new ones' first task is to do therapy with you

>>74230093

>>74236213
Nah, she’s the mid one. She hardly even knows about anime and she was never truly into being an idol. While Pomu was the one that enjoyed being an idol. Elira is only there for being an awful manager that was power hungry for more.

>>74236359
gun is living the dream where he has enough money, knowledge, and reach from his previous job at twitch that he's able to pursue passion projects. seems he likes the idea of mixing digital and irl a lot- the interest in vtubing, his vtuber robots, as well as his irl backpack business are all related to it
>>74236733
after this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q7GyjVOweA they were extra prepared for michi's needs

>>74232603
>Reversed a pedophile allegation from the creator of the most viewed Zaion slander video
>Self sabotage

>>74231916
It's so over for Hime...

>>74229736
OP is fake and gay, this is the actual thumbnail.

>>74236733
>just don't break TOS lol

>>74236733
Oh yeah, reminder that VShojo provides therapy for its talents, and so far both Kuro and Matara have said they use it. Michi hasn't mentioned it yet, but you can sense the pattern

>>74237440
didn't nyanners said it's useless shit?

>>74236359
Gunrun got his money from being an original Twitch founder, selling to Amazon for a billion dollars, and later selling backpacks, not from being a trust fund baby. That's what confounds antis.

>>74236213
>consistently higher subs
>consistently higher CCV
neither of these is true.

>>74232383
>It's clear they fixed it as botan who had a sponsorship with Xbox is not even followed by Geoff Keighley but he follows iron mouse
Botan wasn't nominated at Geoff's award show, retard

Is he obligated to follow every online personality who ever works with a video game brand? Are you stupid?

>>74237530
Not too familiar with that, but I seem to remember that the therapist they found her wasn't doing it for her. It's common to shop around for therapists until you find the right one. Melody even commented that they found her a former sex worker therapist to talk to about sex worker stuff

>>74236359
He's a tech nerd living the dream. Folks like that don't have concerns about profit margins or growth so long as they can continue to do the thing they love. Ironically it is one of the things holding VShojo back from being bigger than it is but everybody involved seems fine with it as it is.

>>74237946
bigger for what? I'm very happy watching my streams. That's enough.

>>74229736
if you guys watched the streams she was comparing it to her office job not Nijisanji.. you guys like twisting words just to hate on nijisanji

>>74230093
>How many times does this have to happen before /vt/ admits Vshojo is good?

1. Niji is absolutely a shit company run by greedy retards.

2. Most of the Vshojo issues was their contracts iirc. They seemed to have made changes or fixed it. Or nijisanji is just so bad the contract is still a massive improvement.

-t. Melware/Melody, Pikamee/Henya fan

>>74237946
does vshojo need to be bigger though? the larger it is the more complex operations become, the more talents there are the more there's a risk of someone being mistreated or mismanaged which would be deadly for the brand because that's what they pride themselves on

>>74238370
>Most of the Vshojo issues was their contracts iirc.
Vshojo contracts were always the best in the industry when it comes to orgs. Only agencies can compete against them and Mythic did their best to seem better than they are during that time.

>>74238304
Doki completely mindbroke them.

>>74238669
is... is this a falseflag? if it's not don't be dumb and say shit like that, we don't know the details of the contracts beyond the confirmed 'Vshojo gets less than 50% of merch cut' geega gave us. mouse spent like three weeks last year negotiating hers, if it was that amazing then it would have been instant. they're probably excellent NOW but if they weren't mid in early 2023 the other three may have stayed despite their brainworms

>>74235284
>it has such a retardedly extreme forehead
Same artist. Now check where Mika's eyes are compared to the top of her head.
You never noticed because it's covered up, but it's literally the same forehead.

>>74236213
Over the 24-month period covering 2022 and 2023, Pomu had a higher median ccv than Elira for 20 of the 24 months. She also surpassed Elira in subs in 2022. Not to mention having twice the amount of donos.

>>74232383
Nyaru LOVE

>>74237530
No

>>74238963
There's no other org that gives you 100% of the donos, lets you keep their IP, gives you complete freedom on what kind of content you can make, and gives you more than 50% of merch income while not even being an exclusive contract.

There's no reason to assume the vshojo contract was ever worse than any other org just because the talents can try to negotiate even better terms for themselves.

>>74231364
Millie, stop yapping and open your OnlyFans, there maybe you will stop living in 1 and a half finanas realm

>>74238963
>three weeks last year negotiating hers
nigga, who the fuck told you that? The voices? And i watch streams, the only thing she ever told about her contracts was "to fist your hand into your ass and stop asking about it."

>>74238963
He's comparing to other vtuber companies, where typically your content and behavior are restricted to varying degrees and your income is shared with the company.
In that sense, VShojo clears without question and always has.

Just because Mouse was negotiating her contract doesn't mean it was bad. Just like people leaving doesn't mean it's bad. That's a really braindead way to look at business relationships, which are very complicated.

All Vei ever said about the contract was that it didn't make "financial sense" for her to stay. She was already signed to Mythic so as she was already drifting from the group she must not have seen much point in staying. Alternatively, Mythic offered her an even better deal than she already had if she signed to them exclusively.
Nyan and Silver never talked contracts and it's easy to piece together that their reasons for leaving were largely personal.

The sister's epic clapback thread is going great by the way
>>74235048

>>74239242
on may 8th mouse did a stream where she was trying on her old models and I distinctly remember her putting on loud party music with the dora model and telling people to shut the fuck up about her contract negotiations. vei announced she was leaving on the 25th of april, two weeks before that. it's not exactly a stretch to assume that period of time and maybe a little longer was negotiations
literally the only reason I remember anything about this was because it was fucking hilarious she was bitching chat out in the dora model

>>74239924
>it's not exactly a stretch to assume that
yes it is anon...

>>74240576
it's a stretch to assume that vshojo talents are negotiating their contracts at roughly the same time?

>>74236213
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>boring jrpg stream
>higher subs and ccv ever
LMAO
all she did was copy nui from nijijp the superior jrpg streamer with superior tits

>>74240639
anon it's retard... Mouse was even upset because of all the rrats and allegations, enough to tell you to shut fuck up about it.

>>74233399
There's like three or four dedicated "mint belongs in holo" fags who bring it up at the drop of a hat. It's unsurprising that anons unfamiliar with Hololive would see their posts and think it's a generally held belief.

>>74241244
she had said either earlier that stream or in one shortly before (can't remember but I remember hearing her say it live) that she was still in talks about her own contract
why are you sour about talking about this? no one was in the wrong, this isn't her chat so it isn't bothering her, and it happened almost a full year ago

>>74237530
I think Nyanners said that since most therapists don't know much about the unique problems online digital content creators, streamers, and vtubers go through. She had a hard time finding one that she felt truly understood her problems. She has Aethel now who seems to do a pretty good job of helping her overcome her brain worms though.

>>74235143
They could probably do it with Bae. fwmc, and irys fucking off to jp and the corpses in myth leaving gaps that could use filling. All they have to really do is put together a sub-unit.

>>74230093
It's not vt. It's the sisters. Their website shut down so now they've flocked here

>>74241930
anon take your L

>>74242326
I'll stop but it's out of confusion on why you're mad because I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong on this, it's just hard to prove because she asked clippers to not clip whenever she was talking about it. I was concerned the company would collapse if she left which is why I remember this shit specifically out of the hundreds of hours of yap in the last year

>>74237530
It's not a one-size fits all thing dude.

>>74229736
this is sounding more like a clique psyop

>>74231544
It's actually VERY similar to how Matara was after debuting in VShojo. She was just very concerned over many of the things she was saying, wasn't sure what she could and couldn't say, etc. Someone at /vsj+/ recently started watching some old Mika VODs and they relayed an interesting story about something at Niji that involved both Nina and Mika as an idea for how things were for them. >>73520222

>>74229736
PNSD
Post Nijisanji Stress Disorder

>>74236213
Pomu would have had way higher subs since early months if she wasn't forced to take long break to recover from surgery early on which stumped her growth a lot. She always was more popular than Elira though when it came to actual fans. Way better merch sales, more passionate, creative and dedicated community, better viewerships and higher donations...
All Elira had is her shadow management position stemming from better knowledge of Japanese and ruthlessness to abuse that position by creating unjust opportunities for herself and denying them from Pomu.

>>74232603
Nah, Sayu won there. Things looked worrying but end result is a lot of people realized that Kenji is a scumbag and Sayu was unjustly wronged by him. The disparity in apologies also paints a clear picture of who deserves support to anyone with a working brain - Sayu does.
She initially lost like 100 or 200 followers but is +800 already since it has been resolved. There's also a bunch of people with big following who were initially in support of Kenji or neutral but shifted to neutral, leaning towards Sayu or straight up joining her side. The public good will is moving in right direction.

>>74230055
Mint is still under Niji NDA but she basically has a free invite to EN4 because of Kiara
Cover would be more careful because their last Nepohire graduated because she just wanted to do art full time so her chances aint so high either

>vshito offering an in-house therapist

Really playing the meme that you wouldn't be a vtuber if you weren't mentally ill. These people are such pieces of shit lmao.

>>74236213
no matter how hard Niji tried to push Elira, no matter how hard they sabotaged Pomu, they never succeeded.
Elira had lower subs pretty fast, Pomu always had a higher CCV and Pomu was the single highest female earner for Niji EN bar none.
Elira will NEVER be half the talent that Pomu was.

>>74248782
Not saying they would, but Sana was a nobody as far as streaming and vtubing is concerned. Pomu isn't. I do think it's very unlikely she'll join Holo though.

>>74248932
>offering benefits is a bad thing, actually
Jesus Christ how far gone are sisters?

>>74249074

Can you even read? Oh you're into these shits so probably not.

>can't read subs
>has to use dubs
>automatically a vshojo fan

Well it tracks.

>>74231364 bait but it's actually remarkable the degree to which this doesn't happen honestly - most of this is clippers hyperfixating on the streamer just describing their new experiences. Though yes they all fixate on the play buttons which is fucking hilarious when I doubt they care too much IRL - that's the only case of them playing the hits but for what they go through they have been very professional

>join niji
>OMG I LOVE THEM THEY'RE LIKE THE FAMILY I NEVER HAD
>quit
>join vshojo
>OMG I LOVE THEM THEY'RE LIKE THE FAMILY I NEVER HAD AND THE PREVIOUS FAMILY WAS FUCKING SHIT

Pick a lie, but its dealer's choice.

>>74231106
Anon, I don't know how to break this to you, Pomu was the biggest girl in Niji.
>Elira, Enna
Elira was popular with the JP audience, Enna with the CN audience. Pomu was popular in EN, one of the very few Niji girls to hold that distinction.
When the NA cull was lifted we got a glimpse at her true numbers. She was smacking out 3k-4k streams.
>QRD on NA cull
basically youtube for some reason was applying a ridiculous standard to NA, you had to be tabbed and watching continuously for a full 20 minutes before being counted as a viewer. This ridiculous standard was lifted and every vtuber with a big en audience went up like a rocketship. That included Pomu and Selen, but also HoloEN and Phase Connect.
For a brief moment, we got a glimpse of what Pomu's real unculled numbers were like. It was the highest in the branch.

>early Lazulight
In the early days Pomu had her channel's momentum halted because she took a full month off for her surgery. Upon returning she quickly gathered steam and left the others in the dust.

>>74249181
What in the ever loving fuck are you talking about? Do you even know?

>>74249181
>reddit spacing

>>74249529

I was illustrating the connection between subhuman shits who use dubs instead of subs, because they can't read, and vshojo being basically the dub version of vtubers so you know... you're a retard.

>>74231288
This clip always gets me because it's the easiest thing in the world to word this in a way that doesn't make you come across as needy, petty and pathetic and get exactly the same point across but she just comes out looking awfully like someone who didn't reach out either, naturally drifted apart especially as the others got busy, then vindictive about not seeing her own successes. It's wild that the tone craters the point she's trying to make

Imagine your whole company just being Nijisanji rejects/drop outs.
I'd go insane.

>>74249642
You're comparing apples to a 2017 Honda Accord here sister

>>74230316
This.
She probably had decision paralysis. She has so many different roads to go and they are all good options for different reasons.
Stay indy. She is already their She has a good model and has the support. Get a manager and she is set to go. No corporate hassle and get 100% of the revenue.
Vshojo: can join the corpo where alot of her friends are already at, including her actual oshi. There is alot of reasons to do this, but i dont actually see the point if she can succeed as an indy. She might be getting peer pressured into joining. As Matara is showing, she does not need to be a part of Vshojo to be friends and stream with them. But all the help she has been getting from them is must likely their attempts at buttering her up.
Hololive. If she can get in, this is her dream job. As a huge idol fan, hololive is the way to achieve being her iconic idol she wants to be.
Phase Connect. If she joined phase, it might seem like a step back for her, and it kinda is, but phase has the most to gain from the nijifall and She could jump onto the band wagon at the most opportune times to join. She could be one of the main faces of phase as it climbs to one of the big three in EN. Still probably not likely she will do this but itnis an option.
Other smaller corps. Although unlikely, if she joins a smaller Corp she could get a huge amount of control and sway in it.
Starting her own. I don't see this come up often, but I don't see why she or anyone else couldn't make their own Corp or company or circle. I think that is basically how Vshojo started. mint could just do it herself or start a company to run it for her. unlikely but possible.

>>74229736
Sayu said this and even told them directly but it's such a cult at niji they never imagine that things are as bad as they are

>>74249437
On top of this, Pomu had so many donos that she unironically rivalled HoloEN even without the blue dorito buff. She had 3x the donos of Elira and 2x those of Selen, the 2nd most profitable girl. And still, Anycolor pushed Elira like crazy while Pomu got fuck all. You may argue that them holding Pomu back that much was actually detrimental to their business. I guess it doesn't even matter how amicable her graduation was, NijiEN has basically no pull in the West without her and Selen.

>>74249929
Sayu isn't allowed to be right.

>>74249925
>but i dont actually see the point if she can succeed as an indy
Why? Other big indies have opted to go there and stay there and have seen growth, success and more opportunities because of it. It's basically a direct upgrade compared to being indie, assuming you get along with the group.

>>74232383

>>74249925
>Indie
I do not think she should stay indie. Because she works best among a group of friends. Furthermore, to be blunt about this, she isn't all that smart. I trust someone like Selen to manage an indie career, but Pomu is gonna run into trouble. Not all her decisions are good ones. She needs a structure.
>Vshojo
As a vtuber fan, I do not really like Vshojo. They come across as really gross. It's a den of whores basically. Pomu loves japan, and idols, and cute girls, it just doesn't seem like the right place for her. Also remember Vshojo has gone through shakeups and drama before too.
>Hololive
She is like a match made in heaven for Hololive. It's so perfect I cannot fathom a better option. That said, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes. But I know that when Kiara asked for a 3D live, they gave her one. It shows that they have a certain respect for their talents. Pomu would thrive. I personally think she could have a good impact on the other girls too, maybe kick them out of their slump.
>Phase Connect
Lol, sorry Pomu is too big for them. Besides they are a bunch of shitposters, it just doesn't match Pomu very well. Sure she could....I guess. But it doesn't feel right. Besides they don't offer all that much for her.
>Other smaller corps.
They are fraught with drama and problems of all kinds. Putting Pomu in that environment would be unseemly. I think she's lifted herself above that morass already.
>Starting her own
It is possible, but only if they had an actual CEO who knew what they were doing. Maybe someone broken off from Hololive, someone with experience. And she'd need other people with her, like Kiara. To be honest, although it sounds exciting, I just don't know how realistic this is.

>>74251982
>They come across as really gross. It's a den of whores basically.
Just say you've never watched them.

>>74251982
>It's a den of whores basically. Pomu loves japan, and idols, and cute girls, it just doesn't seem like the right place for her.
Who is Pomu's oshi again?

>>74251982
You know you can't watch Vshojo cause twitch's data plan isn't covered in your country mohammed

>>74248648
I hope you're right, but I still hope that she tries to keep out of drama from here on out. Whenever things are quiet and it seems like her situation is getting better, she hits sudden bump in the road that halts her momentum.

>>74251068
That is a fair point. Most who join vshojo are already at a level they don't really need them to make a living. It must be worth it. I imagine managing yourself at a high level is probably really hard to do.
>>74251982
I agree with most of your points, but I do think she could be an indie, but she would definitely need to get a manager to assist her. Mint has so many friends and connections, I don't see her needing to be a part of a group if she can continually get collabs with her friends. But I was not a Pomu watcher beyond clips here and their, so maybe you are right and she needs a group. At the same time, joining a corpo may not be what she wants to do after what she just went though at Niji. I know I would be hesitant to sign another contract after that fiasco.

>>74252479
This retard probably thinks it's Kiara

I know it's 4Chan so there's always gonna be bait threads and people looking to fling shit but how to fuck do people who enjoy VSJ and Niji make it on this board? The communities for these two are almost constantly seeing threads and posts about nothing but drama about the them.

>>74230093
I'll admit Vshojo is good when they kick froot.

damn her L2D is so ugly, the rig is horrendous

>>74253587
>Vshojo
lurk moar
>NijiEN
basically no Western fanbase left at this point

>>74253642
Didn't she cheat on her husband and lie about donating money to charity? Does Vshojo just pretend that stuff never happened?

>>74253868
>lie about donating money to charity?
well she donated to some transformer "charity"

>>74249925
>Stay indie
She certainly could now that she's seen that her fans will follow her wherever she goes. However it would be a lot more difficult to pursue 3D/idol adjacent content if she still has that aspiration.
>Vshojo
I don't use Twitch so I'd have mixed feelings, but one of her best friends and her kamioshi is there so I wouldn't be that surprised. I know Vshojo did a concert for their girls a little while ago but I haven't seen the footage so I don't know what the quality's like. Also the likelihood she joins took a hit imo when she expressed revulsion when Matara asked her about streaming on twitch.
>Hololive
Potentially viable but with some massive caviats. I'm sure she'd be pretty reluctant to join another JP corpo after her experience with one, even if she's talked to Kiara and the dogs about it. Also she'd have to be mentally prepared for the tsunami of brownseethe and drama over being the first ex-Niji HoloEN. I'd be worried for her. It does give her the strongest path to stand on a stage, but I think the risks equal the benefits here.
>Phase/other small corpos
Very unlikely option, but she is friendly with Lia so I see Phase as the most viable here. Do phase girls even have 3D? It would be a massive pull for them to get her in but I really don't see it happening. It would feel like a downgrade.
>Start her own corpo
Straight up never going to happen. This girl is conflict averse to a fault.

Who?
Also spic thread

>>74253587
You learn to make the Holodrones seethe while your oshi is in the background. It's a that simple

>>74253587
>NijiEN
Well when I was a fan I just stuck to the general, or if things were really bad, just took a break from the board for a few days/a week. I disassociated after Pomu graduated though so I don't care any more.

>>74254264
Filian and Zen have better 3d than corpos now, but even a 2view shitter like Utano Pandora can pull off 3d lives.

>>74229736
Absolutely states of kurosanji

In the end, Selen was the only one, who didn't shit on niji after leaving it.(and Pomu afaik) Now I despise the ex-niji clique and sisters even more, the former are hypocrite snakes, the latter are dumb shits, that somehow think Selen is their archenemy.

it's so funny to me how vshojo is so blatantly desperate to improve their image with this, can't wait for hiring all the worst nijis to blow up in their face

this is absolutely nothing new for her, she was shit talking Niji while still working for them, in her members' streams

>>74231364
Ironic that you use Hana "all Vtubers are e-girls" for this

>>74255876
>All the worst Nijis
Luca vox uki Enna Millie aster ike Elira Claud and Kotoka are all still in NijiEN though. And notkyo is an indie.

>>74255748
Selen's also the only one that tried to end her life because of Niji. She's not the best.

>>74229736
who was she again?

>>74253587
if your a nijifag you hide on your doxsite, but well... lmao

>>74253587
I'm used to my home general's retardation and I like watching events with them, if I had to stop liking something because anons hated it then I'd never like anything agian.

>>74253587
>how to fuck do people who enjoy VSJ and Niji make it on this board
You don't. Especially if you're a nijinig. If you are you...
>run off to /jp/ and get chased out
>you make a board on eightchan and splinter the small community you had
>you infest a site dedicated to doxing vtubers and use it as your chatroom
>you run off to the kwifarms offshoot.

Whatever option nijifags choose it's somehow always a bad one.

>>74236213

>>consistently higher subs
>>consistently higher CCV

imagine losing to a fat menhera bitch with horrible singing voice, this says more about elira than it does to dookie, id imagine she was livid that dookie was getting all the attention instead, no wonder she went after her.

>>74249408
I mean both can be true. The problem with Niji is with the management, lack of support, etc. None of the people who've left Niji has had anything to say about the talents. And the talents are who become your family, not the management or anything. Hell Michi, Kuro, and Matara all winding up in VShojo is perfect evidence of this. None of them knew one another before VShojo, but they're practically a found family that's been reunited now that they're all in one place again.

>>74229736
go back to Jakarta ind dogs.

>>74231104
>>74231208
I hate both kurosanji and vshojoke, retards. Both corpos are trash for different reasons.

>>74232383
That award show was a joke anyway.

>>74234483
> says the vshojotranny while trying to deny his bullshit
pretentious as usual

>>74229736
I'm sure that many Vshojo's are actually being treated better than before for sure, but it seems like they are just being forced to participate in talent freedom campaign.
Kson talked about how great Twitch and Vshojo were when she first debuted, as did (OP), but after she stopped getting the numbers the company expected, she quit interacting with Vshojo other than henya and started streaming on Youtube.

>>74261241
is this what catalogreaders actually believe

>>74230108
it's full of Momos inside.

Remember that vshojo would do anything for some clout.

>>74262452
I know that IM and Kson rely on corpo Vtuber's PL doxxing content.

>>74254264
>I don't use Twitch so I'd have mixed feelings
There's no rule about using Twitch in VShojo. If she wants to stay YouTube exclusive then that's what happens.
>I know Vshojo did a concert for their girls a little while ago but I haven't seen the footage so I don't know what the quality's like.
Better than the AR Live (not that that's a high bar). You can look at Mouse's birthday concert (from last year) or any of Kson's for a ballpark of what VShojo can do. Candy Pop was more or less on that level.
I don't wanna say Mouse's concert this year was bad, but you wouldn't be surprised to learn there were problems during production.

>>74262452
This was just after Luxiem's debut and well before NijiEN's public opinion went down the shitter

>>74262636
wtf does that mean

>>74229736
Stop! They're already dead

>>74264276
>There's no rule about using Twitch in VShojo
I have heard this, but given that the rest of them are on twitch it would be weird and isolating for Mint if she were to primarily stream on YouTube while the rest of them were on another website. I don't like it, but I guess I'd be willing to learn how to use twitch for her.

>>74257184
whats the kiwifarms offshoot

>>74229736
>Michi(Mika)
I hate clippers so fucking much.
Mika wasn't doing bad but she was far from one of the big nijis, she had an honest chance to pass her PL now in vshojo but now that this fucking counter culture retards that have to shove down everyone's throat who they were means she'll never grow out of being "just some ex-niji"
Sure, that info's never been that hard to find, but now even people who didn't know her nor cared are basically forced to learn it, insteado of being able to form an opinon about her on their own. Fucking leech faggots.

>>74264384
Vox's allegations were known since late 2021, and she collabed with him in late 2022.

>>74265473
Kson mainly streams on YouTube, and Kuro and Michi are sort of half-and-half. It's true that Henya completely dropped YouTube, but that was her own decision. I think Mint only avoids Twitch because she's never used it (as a streamer anyway) and just wants to stick with what she knows. That could change, or not.

>>74229736
Another day, another ex niji gets surprised by how much support she gets outside the company

>>74236804
lol I like it gj

damn i never expected mika to be in such a successful bait thread
she had a 49k ccv debut (super high for her) and broke her paypal due to so many donations in just one day her account got flagged for potential money laundering LOL i bet she already made more money on her debut than she did in her entire career in niji
im so happy for you gurl you are moving up and finally reaching your full potential

>>74229736
this is the same old song again lmao

>>74229736
Reminder that all former corpo Vtubers that have gone to Vshojo have said all the same shit.

Except for Nazuna and Kson.

>>74231358
The best revenge is to live well. She's happy now and just ignoring her attackers while NijiEN struggles to stay alive.

>>74248782
I honestly believe sana soured them to ever letting another EN member get one of their friends in. I also believe the rrat that yagoo and riku have a gentleman's agreement about this sort of thing.

>>74229736
Completely fucking unrelated, but does every damn VTuber have the same clipper or something, it's always this kind of font, big and white with red stenciling.

The thumbnails almost look like carbon copies except for the VTuber themselves.

>>74230093
Vshojo. The company built on leeching off of male e-celebs full of bastabbing shitters who just love going on Twitter to spout political hot takes? Yeah no I don't think I will call them good. I will say, their management nowadays seems pretty competent. But their actual organs themselves are trash and the fact that the company is scooping up half of Nijisanji isn't improving that.

>>74271840
says nothing about holo or vshojo it just proves niji is a shit hole

>>74266441
??? He debuted on December 20th 2021, and he was on Speak of the Devil (where that screencap is from) on January 27th 2022. That's just over a month later and nowhere near the end of the year

>>74261989
You Ksonfags really are stuck in 2021 aren't you?

>>74265752
The clippers who are blatant enough to put it into thumbnails and clip titles are retarded, but at the end of the day it's still useful for old fans to be able to find them who may not have been paying attention, and any new fans could discover their old work in the same way. The thing is that it depends on if the vtuber themselves wants to be secretive or not, and most don't. Michi is no longer Mika, but being Mika was a core part of who she was for 2 years and she's not going to ignore that just because she's under NDA to stop her from describing specifics of that era of her life.

Considering she put this in her lore video she's aware and playing with it.

One thing that has always irked me, why are Vshojo character designs always so ugly and overly busy? At least they're consistent I guess.

>>74230093
When they kick Froot out for lying about donating to charity.

>>74274495
She never said she donated to charity though, anon. She wanted to donate to Mermaids, was told they were pedophiles and groomers and then didn't donate to them after everyone dogpiled her with the info about their scandals from their past.

>>74276051
She then tweeted saying she would donate to another charity instead, then did nothing.

>>74252858
she's getting better at navigating minefields, too. have some faith in your oshi!

>>74276292
She said "My twin brother means the world to me, more than anyone
It means a lot to me to support and protect people like him anyway I can
If there's a better transgender supporting charity to donate to I can just switch, it's not that deep"

She never said that she did or didn't do anything.

>>74249408
lol this, why pretend vshojo hasn’t had it’s share of bad blood resignations

she’s just another grifter

>>74229736
>>74230209
It's funny as fuck that with Nijifags it's always the same narrative
>Management gets cut from people that underform, that's just normal
>oh your oshi got passed over for a marketing opportunity? Well sucks to suck they didn't reach the milestone (but we'll piss and cry if you bring up numbers
>Just watch who you like wave spam isn't actually real they should've worked harder if they didn't want to have their audience diluted by 3 waves in 4 months
>Debuts are content -- Why are you against Nijisanji?
And of course the ever-popular
>[business decision] still makes Nijisanji a TON of money so your criticism of it is wrong and stupid
They're just 100% dog eats dog at all times, just like any workplace that outwardly brands itself as a family.

>>74229736
kneel to gunrun

>>74277434

>>74277079
>hasn’t had it’s share of bad blood resignations
It was one anon, Silver, that's it. No matter how much you try to spin your lie, nothing any of the other three that left said anything that even comes close to be interpreted as "bad blood".

>>74277614
Didn’t Vei complain about being censored over her use of “retard“?

>>74277614
Not even Vei, and Vei is the cunt queen. Vei has even wished said good things about them a few times since leaving. Nyan has also collabed sparingly with them.

>>74277734
No, she said she thought saying "retard" would make the rest of the girls and company look bad, but it never stopped her from using it regardless, because she said it several times while in vshojo. She just felt she didn't have to worry about anyone else's reputation as an indy.

>>74229736
ex nijis and complaining about nijisanji name a more iconic duo

>>74230093
Vshojo is simply the best vtuber company. They have EVERYTHING any vtuber should ever want.

>>74249408
>niji
i have good connection with some family member but i hate my parent and other family member because they don't know shit about rise children and never want help me when i ask any help...
>vshojo
not have big house but everyone in here love me so much they support me when i ask any help...

>>74277131
Lumi you slutty WHORE

I’ll show you the meaning of childbirth

>>74280931
Its almost as if Nijisanji is a terrible company

>>74233468
She didn't have to her leaving it was 1000 words worth

At this point it looks like they are trying to force this shit so hard on purpose to make people start doubting, literally always the same script

>>74281688
Yes, anon, it's a conspiracy.

who?

its hilarious that all harlots go to vshoujo

>>74282190
No, Vshojo doesn't have Filian yet.

>>74239225
Enough of the 100% donation cope Twitchcuck. Twitch takes their cut when you buy bits, google takes it when you send a supa, regardless of when you actually sent the money to a streamer the platforms will take their cut.

I dunno man doesn't anyone else think it's kind of lame that Vshojo only takes in established vtubers from other agencies?

>>74282961
Anon, every twitch streamer uses paypal for donations, only retarded attention seekers that want to appear in chat use bits

>>74282961
>twitchcuck
I don't give a shit about your retarded platform wars. Vshojo members can pick to stream on whatever platform they want and accept donations through whatever channels they want.

>>74281688
But enough about nijisanji

>>74231429
>1 results found.
anon...

>>74231106
kek what
What's the next cope? "Selen would just self destruct anyways even if she had proper support and management?"

>>74281688
It's the same script because it's people from the same company moving to the same new company.

>>74281590
lmao... anon take your L

>>74231544
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDEo6dpxsyY&t=81s
God this shit chokes me up every time. That fucking stream, man.

>>74281590
KEK

>>74239229
trust me buddy YOU DO NOT WANT to see an onlyfans of millie

>>74272074
Clippers are faggots who constantly copy each other for maximum clicks.

>>74277734
She wasn't censored by vshojo, she was attacked by retards on twitter.

>>74280960
Except for auditions

>>74283943
No way she have an of, even mysta describe her like those supermarket aunties

>>74230093
Terrible image. A moustache does not cover your nostrils that would make it hard to breathe. Generally it hangs down over your upper lip a little unless groomed and trimmed very well, but never raised up that much

That's no Michi, this is Da Michi

>>74284942
Ayyyyy it’s Da Michi

>>74231916
>salary
that's holo. Niji organs have no base salary.

>>74232193
Yeah, let's all stay quiet until Rosemi actually fucking kills herself, causing not only rosebuds to go mental, but it to get enough attention that boomer legislators get involved and ruin the fuck out of the hobby.

>>74284237
If you haven't already proven yourself, you're not cut out for VShojo.

>>74285814
Thats the problem with comparing Vshojo to other corpos though, theres no point in saying Vshojo is better than x corpo or y corpo if it’s completely inaccessible to the vast majority of the industry, it’s a clique. If I were a vtuber, I don’t care how good Vshojo is because I can’t get into it.

>>74286083
do you know how agencies work anon?

>>74286083
So go play in the minor leagues until you get scouted for the Big Show.

>>74286118
Do you?
>>74286150
Or I could just apply for the big show in Holo or something and have better odds.

>>74286216
more than you, yes...

>>74286216
holoEN only has 3 more members than vshojo

>>74286216
That's not how minor leagues and major leagues work. The corpos letting any thot walk in the door and apply aren't the ones who only settle for the cream of the crop.

>>74284637
thank god for that

>>74286083
They have no need for 2view LARPers who could give them bad PR or get them in legal trouble within a week.

>>74286216
>Or I could just apply for the big show in Holo or something and have better odds.
Then just do that.

>>74286083
>it’s completely inaccessible to the vast majority of the industry
Just like Hololive then. Except that Vshojo actually freely interacts with the rest of the industry.

>>74286259
>only settle for the cream of the crop
>Niji’s sloppy seconds
lol
lmao

>>74230093
when it stops having the worst fanbase in existence.

>>74286334
Well, yeah. We're only taking the chuubas good enough to get creamed on. We don't need no bone dry bitches who can't muster nuts.

>>74286314
That's really the main point that is annoying when people try to say that it's impossible to get in or whatever. You have a path clear as day on how to potentially get in. If you're a big streamer you've just gotta be in their friend group and that's not hard at all when they've got so many unity-minded members and people who collab outside of the group constantly since there's no permissions or anything required to do so. Nina got in because she did exactly that while being in a completely different corpo. Same thing with Mika and same thing with Geega. If you want to join and you're not just a 2view it's not hard to get yourself into their good graces.

>>74284942
The one true Michiru