/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_2-cOmrT1w&pp=sAQA uge d1 ~600 points to master.
have any of the vsaikyou teams you guys are planning to watch played together yet?

bump

really enjoying the new nijis, Axis and
Lauren, play apex together. Good energy.. Hope they join the tourney scene soon

>>7285875
Which teams look like they're at a disadvantage?
I like rooting for underdogs

>>7285984
Matsuri's team, definitely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQkkGoYohPE
This might be the first jp clip of her apex...

>>7285984
Almost all of them except for Uto, Kanae, Meika, and maybe Uge's team team.

So, uh, I don't know how much you guys pay attention to the western scene, but I have to ask, does anyone here know just how good Selene is? I've heard she's supposed to be a former pro in the scene and she certainly seems great stomping in low ranked pubs, but I don't know enough about high level apex to accurately judge her skill. Can anyone provide any more insight on her skill level?

>>7286597
She got pred twice in the past but that was a long time ago. I would put her somewhere between the other pred and the strong master chubas.

>>7286349
i think vgorilla team might work out too

>>7285875
how are Kanae and Kuzuha d3? they're not even d4 for almost 2 seasons now

>>7286597
her mechanics are good enough to get a solo master, but i dont think her mental fits
solo ranked or tournaments
she seems very used to playing with teammates equal or better of her level
>>7287751
kanae channel just got d4

>>7287751
They were D3 in season 7. Previous vsaikyou was using highest rank of last 4 season, not sure about this time.

>>7287744
Gorillas teammates are always being hard carried by him. He's got Hoshikawa who always chokes.

I just want to watch my wife Met have a fun time.

Also maybe Pakael pulling some absolute shit out his ass and wiping a squad or two would be entertaining.

>>7285111
I hate apex

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9-B6g86ujw

>>7286349
>Kanae
Do you think his team will do well? I don’t know who they’ll pick for the third member

>>7294825
I honestly don't know...there's also the chance that they'll just be dicking around like usual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZJjZCwGJI
pute nose ranked

I'm glad Bora seems to have no interest in doing anything with EN for the time being. She's a strong player and a nice girl on her own, who deserves her time in the spotlight, not just some KR-JP bot like some people seem to be treating her. No disrespect to the livers, of course, just to some of their fans.

>>7299013
>livers

damn this pute nose game is fucking intense

>>7285875
wow, Ran ranked to d4?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1sMAV0AmAI Nazuna bullying Noah, funny clip from long time ago

>>7287751
Anon Kanda is still classified as D4 even though he barely touches the game.

bora best girl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA1lwUwDgPU

https://youtu.be/uo-zBWKYVvU

I was wondering why no jp esport organizations pick up crylix, didn't know you can't compete in tournaments being underage. Kid is legit insane though, just by watching him play you can see his mechanical skills standing out even compare to other pros, i even rate him over ras and selly. Does niji recruit underage people nowadays?

>>7286267
Now that you say it I've never seen a jp clip of uto
Looks like there are a few, but most of them don't even have 1k views.

What are some best channels for learning apex system? I see some of CR uploads how to do's and such but what are the best. I'm new to apex.

>>7285928
how good are the new nijis? reflective of the ranks the said they were at?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IBOJP9xtN0
NAAAAMIIINOOORIIII

>>7308061
bro, just play more, as for the apex channel maybe try gaming merchant

>>7308115
Axia and the other guy are supposedly former predators, and it kinda shows in their gameplay though it's too early to tell for sure.

>>7308115
Axia I can believe he's pred the other guy seems questionable although I've only watched him once

>>7311362
??? Isn’t axia master rank while the red hair guy is former pred??

>>7311362
Axia is recent season Master,
Lauren is early season Predator, so Master.
Where do you guys keep pulling these claims from? There were clips about this within a day of their debut.

>>7311502
ah shit I mixed up their names

>>7311602
I thought they were both pred?

Lauren is insane. Haven't watched Axia enough.
>>7311602
Yeah.

>>7311671
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kQ2n1sM-I
Sometimes I wonder if this place needs a FAQ/misconceptions section, cause this timeloop keeps happening

>>7311771
yeah sorry I don't really pay too much attention to the nijis outside of apex and I only know about the new guys through hearsay

>>7311889
Definitely would recommend catching a future stream of theirs, especially if they have a collab in ranked planned.

>>7286597
>I've heard she's supposed to be a former pro in the scene
From who?
As far I can tell she was never paid for her sweats.

>>7287751
The opposite, one of them (probably Kanae) should be at least D2, but I guess Hal thought he isn't really at that level.

Selen is good but she is not pro level imo, probably gorilla level. There is still a significant gap between normal preds and top tier pros. Two days ago, euriece rolled over gorilla's team using a single weapon (volt) singlehandedly, also dominated gorilla's custom lobby (half viewers, half streamers with a few pros) and won against cr amatsuki's team using a single mozambique.

wow noah at 10k viewers and running around with an L star lol

>>7312420
Your last point is a bad example and makes the rest of your case seem more about Euriece himself than anything, as Amatsuki was in Japan's top 10/world top 50 at one point.

>>7312420
Your euriece point really fucking sucks. his entire team got steamrolled multiple times singlehandedly in the cr cup by various people who were definitely not pros. also people here really fucking suck at evaluating apex skill, and selen tried to go pro in ow, not apex iirc.

>>7312825
>also people here really fucking suck at evaluating apex skill
How would you assess the current Vsaikyou rankings >>7285875
Who's underranked/overranked, etc.

>>7313198
When i say people here really suck at evaluating apex skill, i include myself.

>>7313217
props to (you)
and i agree with you.

>>7313217
There's an apex general on /vg/ right? Do you think they'll be any better at evaluating apex skill than us?

>>7313217
At least you admitted that.
I still wonder how people can post really bad evaluations. And that's even with the new captcha system filtering the bottom of the barrel.

>>7286267
That tracking on the first clip is satisfying

Not gonna lie I want to see Sumire get to 200k before Noah

>>7313317
Not him, but I doubt it.
One aspect is having knowledge of the game and the other is being able to watch all the talents to make good judgements. On the first, I doubt many masters/predators or simply someone with a well developed grasp on the game would even bother to post on this site. On the second they would have to be crossboarders.
In a sense they might be marginally better than the posters here, who neither know APEX nor watch streams over a long period of time barring their oshi and a couple surrounding figures.
Going forward to the coming V Co-op, you'll see many posters looking at the nominal ranks of players and making dumb judgements (it's already happened once in this thread), calling certain players deadweights, because these posters are lazy and don't even bother to watch clips of gameplay.

it's pretty hard to gauge skill levels other than aim unless you are a pro player yourself(and even then) and pro players play apex, they don't post on /vt/'s apex thread

tldr cute wives very fun.

>>7313898
uooooohge

>>7313898
>it's pretty hard to gauge skill levels other than aim unless you are a pro player yourself
You're giving too much leniency to the posters here, I'm not sure how else to explain that. Plenty of masters can make good evaluations, so can actual autists that actually pay attention to APEX without playing themselves as much.

>>7313898
>Bro you aren't allowed to have an opinion on someone else's skill unless you're a pro
Games have died because of this stupid as hell mindset.

>>7314119
He's not saying that though.
Why do people keep equating being told their opinion is awful to being silenced?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELr8AaYpVmQ&pp=sAQA

I'll take it

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgPlErufMN4&pp=sAQA
Qpi

>>7303515
erai
eroi

I admit i am not good at proving a point and arguing. I am master rank and do watch a lot of pros and streamers from csgo to apex. I am just trying to say there is a gap between top pros and normal pred players, even among pros there are standout players who are mechanically insane and make a lot of smart little micro plays like ras, euriece, genburten, naughty and etc. There are less mechanically insane players but more well rounded like sweet and templex, they are really good at making good decisions and igl. You learn a lot like how to engage fights cleanly from watching them.

>>7312592
I don't like calling people deadweights but euriece's teammates in cr cup is pretty bad. They cannot defend a push without someone dieing instantly, cannot execute properly like constant misplaced dome probably due to language barrier. I watched amatsuki a few times but was never that impressed, good aim and decent movement but never seems to make smart plays imo. I admit i was surprised when he got recruited to cr but he is not at the same level compared to other cr members like mondo and cpt.

Sorry for being offtopic, i am just an apex autist. I do adjust my expectations when watching chuubas, cute girls doing cute things is enough when watching chuubas.

>>7315634
seperate anon, that was an informative blog post

Btw what is the BIG club and who’s the member

>>7285111
I hate apex

>>7317411
me

>>7317411
berlin international gaming
tabseN, tiziaN, XANTARES, k1to, syrsoN

>>7317411
Uruca

>>7317411
Hanalisa, Hinano, Gil, Gorilla, Kamito, Noa, Hendy, and Bora. It's called BIG because it's a big group.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QJfb58sFRc

On second thought, shit, does this team look really strong. I don't think ren grinds ranked a lot and ren and sena can definitely take care of themselves. Going to be the favourites going into this for sure.

>>7285984
>>7313198
I'm the guy who puts up and watches 13 streams simultaneously last vtuber tourney and most of the cr cups. I consider myself pretty decent at the game as well.

> Tier 1 (big star or APW of last tourney, wins the most scrims)
hinano's team, pute's team,

> Tier 2
noah, akina, chii-chan, sumire, chronoir+gib

> Tier 3
meika, uge, reid, qpi, gorilla, leona

> Tier 4
meto, astel, izuru, pakael

>Tier 5 (fodder)
matsuri, shiina, miru

i dont have to remind you retards that this is a personal opinion do i

>>7315634
This is true for basically every competitive game. Whether that's Apex, league, chess, or whatever FotM card game is out there. The gap between "bad" and "decent" players is actually usually fairly small, and mostly comes down to understanding basic game mechanics and axioms of the game. Most games have that, one or two bits of simple info that completely change the way you play and make you way stronger than the scrubs. But as you go higher, the criteria change and the relative ratios of strength become increasingly broad. If your skill was a numerical value, the difference between a player with 10 skill and 20 skill is 100%, but the difference between a player of 100 skill and 110 skill is only 10%, despite the gap being the same. To stand out among the crowd and rise in rank, players at the top need to be vastly better than the players just preceding them. Which is made far harder once everyone has the requisite game knowledge, strategic info, character mastery, and mechanical skills. Skill expression at the toppest of ranks really comes down to two things. Ungodly mechanics, and/or the ability to predict enemy movements with limited info and intuitive risk assessment.

Oreapo Master climb!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EicoJHVAFwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unNPh9oajw8

>>7324547
I'd agree with most of this list, from what we saw last time the best teams are gonna be ones with 2 decent players + 1 average player. Problem with pute's team is that they don't really have anyone that can really shot call. I'd have them trade places with sumire's team here as Nazuna is actually a shotcaller type. I'd also swap Meika and Pakael's teams as I think Pakael can go off. I think you are underestimating Shiina's team though, Yomi is pretty good and Setomiya is a cheap Gib pickup. I'd move them up to Tier 3.

>>7324547
It's tough to say how good the teams are before we see them practice. Individual strength of course matters, but the team synergy is even more important in a tournament

>>7325076
Cute, they both got overlays.
Not matching, though.

oreapo reached master on the same game

>>7324547
Izuru's team will be less heavy but he's also not as good as Astel. And Astel is really good but he has to carry (and train) Choco-sensei of all people.

So the board is going to be a mess for the next few hours so you guys better post more if you want the thread to stay up

Other than Uge & Qpi , who else are pushing for master atm?

>>7330934
>So the board is going to be a mess for the next few hours
?

>>7331205
Cover just teased HoloEN2's debut

>>7330934
Whats going? I have most of hololive shit filtered

>>7331205
Some Holo EN crap.

>>7331354
The cube

>>7329219
I look forward to Astel training with his team just as much as the tournament itself

>>7324547
i think i'd bet on chii-chan or noah if i was going to place bets right now.

>>7324547
Met will always be tier 1 in my heart.

i love kanae-san

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7pr_8CM8k8&pp=sAQA

Sumire is so strong
How can she just make it look so effortless, singing her way to champion?

I will kneel hard if astel manage to turn choco 'i am using a battery while walking towards the enemy in the open' sensei into a decent player.

>>7329219
Astel is strong, but not 10 points master strong.
I have a suspicion that Hal saw Astel's low performance during last tourney and just decided to punish him for even becoming a master.
Now Astel will either prove that he is good and carry his team to top 3 or fail and show everyone that he is not a true master rank. Pretty shitty situation, if you ask me.

>>7340038
It's just an excuse to see Choco make Astel all flustered. Hal knows what he wants to see.

>>7340828
Oh yeah, I bet he does. Hal is known to be an excellent puppeteer.
But speaking seriously, Hal didn't know Astel's future teammates when he allocated 10 points to him.

>>7340038
His team is only 16 pt so him being 9 or 10 (or even 8) pt wouldn't have mattered.

Kaito is vspo's dad

>>7341166
Did you forget that Astel complained about his points being too high? I think this can only mean that originally he planned completely different team (maybe Choco OR Roboco + someone worth 5 points).

Morning Met
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx4PbyhaJ2s

>>7341645
Astel wanting to have his cake and eat it too lol.

>>7341645
I don't think he would have denied RBC/Choco asking to join his team. And he could still have a dia4 player instead of one of them with the current points.

>>7341166
>someone worth 5 points
I meant not 5 points, but 7, if he would be 8 point master

>>7341777
Okay but there's no way Hal would give him 8pt. 9 or 10 is debatable.

>>7341729
>I don't think he would have denied RBC/Choco asking to join his team.
That if they would ask. I think it was otherwise - he asked them to join.

>>7341874
I read that he said something about his teammates needing courage to ask him or something. Haven't looked much into it but I'm under the impression that they asked him.

>>7341842
>Okay but there's no way Hal would give him 8pt. 9 or 10 is debatable.
Now this is an actual question - why did Hal do this?
Simply judging on Astel's past tournament performance, he's clearly an 8pt. Sometimes even underperforming below that. But somehow Hal decided to ruin Astel's changes to top places.

>>7341980
>his teammates needing courage
>they asked him
Isn't this a bit contradicting?

>>7342026
Seems like Hal has always held him in high esteem. Solo master probably contributed to it as well. As for tournaments, he placed #5 in both vsaikyou (with mediocre teams) and won Kagayaki cup, so it's not like he has been doing terribly in tournaments. His cr cup team was obviously extremely weak.

>>7342126
How so?

>>7342026
Do you really think Astel is equal to someone like Matsuri in terms of skill to be worth the same?

>>7342433
matsuri should not be worth 8 to begin with
of course it would be offensive to place her at 5-6pt, disregarding her long grind to master, but thats her real value

>>7342189
>Solo master probably contributed to it as well.
I don't think Hal's that stupid to not understand that ability to grind ranks does not directly convert to skill level.

>As for tournaments
Yes, I took these into consideration when I concluded my opinion on Astels points. Astel performed poorly in CR not only because of weak team, but also because of better competition. He wasn't able to do anything every time when a pred 1v3'd his entire team.

>How so?
Because people who need courage don't usually ask first.

>>7342590
Would've been better.
Ranking her this high guarantees her team will be shit no matter who she picked.

>>7342433
Never said that.
This is a problem with rank grinding - Matsuri is clearly not Master. People like Kuzuha or Kanae would completely crush her, and they are not Masters. And they performed even better than Astel quite a lot of times during previous tournaments. Hence my conclusion of 8 points to Astel.

>>7342998
>>7342721
How can you grind ranks and move up without being skilled enough to get there?

>>7343138
Yeah, the grind ain't worth much if you aren't at least doing well enough to get positive points each game.

>>7342721
Sorry but if you think he should be 8 pt (same as a dia2/1) it's just hard to take your opinion seriously. I can only assume you haven't watched him much.
> Astel performed poorly in CR not only because of weak team, but also because of better competition.
Yes, the other teams were better, hence his team didn't do well. Obviously he isn't on par with high tier preds or pro gamers (who were present in most cr cup teams), not sure how that would put him below other masters. Noah, Hinano, Sumire etc. were all paired with a god tier pred so obviously their team would do better than Astel's (and part of the reason is the -2 for girls).

>>7343138
matsuri getting master is offstream.
probably she got carried to master if you see her ability on game.

>>7343138
Well, you definitely have to be skilled, but you can actually reach a rank that is higher than your skill level by this simple formula:
1. Get at least 1 kill or even just a good amount of damage.
2. Survive as long as you can. Run away from stronger players, hide behind the circle most of the time, snipe enemies from afar.
3. When hiding is not possible anymore, try to 3'rd party or at least sneak attack.

I've seen a lot of people use this formula to grind their ranks. Btw, Astel used it quite a bit too.

>>7342998
So it sounds like your problem is less with Astel being worth 10 points but more that there are other people who are clearly more valuable than they are worth. I would agree Kanae should be worth more points.

>>7343725
Not really. My problem is that everyone should be judged by their actual skill level.
How to do this - I don't know.
If I recall correctly, on NijiApex they used average kills or average damage, but this method is also questionable.

>>7343960
That one was even worse, Chihiro's team was pretty overstacked and it wasn't exactly a surprise that they won.

>>7344136
We need to invent some kind of universal "Cracked'ness-meter" scale so that we won't have such problems in the future LMAO

Does any of this shit really matter? People taking this shit way too serious for something that's not really meant to be that serious.

>>7343495
Don't steps 2 and 3 work in a tournament though? Obviously it doesn't help if you get rushed by a stronger squad though.

>>7344707
Wouldn't work if tournament has professional/semi-professional players in it. These players are trained to "trim off" all those hide-and-seekers.
Well, maybe the lack of those players is an exact reason of Hal giving Astel 10 points, because there would be no pros/semi-pros to counter these tactics?

Jesus fuck christ why are (You) being turbo autists over something like this? Psychoanalysis of how Hal decides points?

>>7347245
We're bored.

>>7347245
>why are being (You) turbo autists
Where do you think we are?

>>7345176
Last time in kagayaki he have reid who good at support & situational awarness and noah who have solid skills. Let see what astel can do this time

man, I'm excited for the area rivalries in scrims like Kanae/Noah and Kuzuha/Sumire

>>7348168
Landing spots are randomized.
Also KP are capped, thoughts?

>>7347245
I'm enjoying reading the back and forth discussion if nothing else

>>7340038
Hal ranked him 10pt before CR Cup...

>>7341874
No he didn't.

https://twitter.com/astelleda/status/1414048199476604935
https://twitter.com/astelleda/status/1414222344483074050

I kinda want Selen to be EN caster for Vsaikyou, we never had EN commentators for this kind of tournaments before right? I wonder if it's a possibility..

>>7351062
You just proved him right...

>>7342721
Do you genuinely believe that hal was for some reason trying to get astel? that sounds pretty stupid, considering they've barely interacted.

>>7308746
It's funny how they got lectured by the comments for being so harsh on their teammate, but I'm also glad that they're viewers aren't yes-men that will let crappy behavior go along.

What happened is whoever astel did awesome play in tournaments it was against shibuya hal team or he was spectating him..so he's opinion is very high from few instances. he's playstyle is quite aggressive compare to other masters too so that's a reason too.

>>7351433
Unless I somehow missed Hal talking about wanting to get the EN audience, I don't see that happening.

>>7351462
>That if they would ask.

>Astel tweets open invitation
>They ask
>He accepts

For the record, the Holostars have an unspoken rule amongst themselves that they don't ask for collabs or the like from Hololive oneesan first.

>>7352176
I'm retarded and thought you replied to the post above yours for some reason

>>7348249
no strong opinions on landing spot randomization,

>>7351848
Astel almost wiped Hal's team in one of his customs once and Hal said the only reason he won that fight is because he was playing Lifeline. Hal even tweeted a clip of the fight.

https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1395559237619621889

Here's Astel's POV of it: https://youtu.be/f89CJN2kDdQ?t=11224

Now that i think about it, astel never had a teammate that is significantly stronger that him like actual pros when participating in tournaments. The most he get is someone who is similar in skill levels to him like bosna and noah. That's a lot of pressure for him and you get good by playing with people who are better than you. He needs to be carried lol.

>>7352088
Inviting Uto could be a sign of him wanting to get more EOP viewers, but how much it played into that decision who knows.

>>7352968
Yep, that and there was one time when astel was solo I believe vs some pred and was doing pretty good. My point is why hal could have made him 10points. because he have only seen his very good plays. doesn't matter he lost or won through.

Lets switch topic back to our origins. OreApo.
Who could be Hinano team coach? it's not Kamito. that's all we know I think. haven't watched their stream complete.

I think it could be Kawase. Idk any other pred hinano often plays with who's not another team coach.

>>7342721
>Because people who need courage don't usually ask first.
He did say it took them alot of courage to ask him
Astel put out a tweet if there are any dia+plat or plat+plat willing to join his team when he was recruiting

Eh?! Lain gonna play apex in 2 hours, is she good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7wWt9LQ76E

>>7356719
according to her, no

>>7356719
Doubt it. She wouldn't wait more than a week to play Apex if she was planning to show off her skill.

Met looks cuter with that upward glance.
But her 50 IQ downward stare is also great.

>>7352088
I saw a recent clip where hal said he was not interested in courting eops. His content is in japanese so he doesn't feel that it should attract much eops.

Wait Yufuna and Masanori are gym bros?

>>7359964
Met is always cute.
https://youtu.be/9yERrkNT5e0?t=1970

>>7365564
I can't believe how scared she was in that playthrough , extremely cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNWFPWugdfk

What did she mean by this?

>>7366033
>ywn be sandwiched by the Kagas like Yashiro

>>7351742
5v5 moba really brought out the angry gamer in them (Yufuna especially, he was the first one that called the Charizard a blatant troll)

>>7366033
They got champion their first game, pack it up boys, vsaikyou is over

>Selen
>Astel
>Aqua
I dream of a perfect Niji/Holo APEX team

>>7367627
Holy autism imagine aqua and selen even trying to communicate

>>7367627
If its skill-based isnt Bora way better than aqua?

>>7367627
then why is aqua there

>>7367933
imo bora is far better than aqua by mile

what a lucky guy, that Yashiro

Aqua's burn out from apex anyway, good for her to avoid the apex autist viewers too, the bad type of autists too.

>>7367933
>>7368136
If i were to do a power levels of Hololive it would be:
Astel
Botan
Aqua
Matsuri
Roboco
Choco
Ollie
Reine
Moona
Ame

I don't know nearly enough of Nijisanji but i know Selen was Predator in the top half of the 500 (her words) so
Selen
Kazuya

Obviously there's immense power gaps inbetween, but i only included people who played frequently

Kaga sisters teamed with someone from Holo for tour in past? Who it was? What tour?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgWKXVCKj-k
I missed the start. What is Beni up to? On another minecraft server?

>>7369024
Pointless to put in Botan, Izuru above Aqua, Towa above Matsuri, Temma and Rikka between Matsuri and Roboco but that could change in the coming month.

How good is Nazuchan at APEX? I know she's pretty decent at CSGO.

>>7369709
dia if she grinds

>>7369621
Towa is definitely worse than Matsuri.

Bonnivier APEX
https://youtu.be/rDcJW5iOBhI

>>7369237
Don't know if this is what you're talking about but this happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HNmvZi2BPs

>>7369024
Astel > Izuru => Aqua > Matsuri > Towa = Ame => Temma/Rikka/Arusan > Roboco > Ollie > Moona > Reine = Choco

I'm not ranking Botan because she doesn't really stream it and it's impossible to know how good she would be now. Her FPS skill is high enough that she'd still be on the upper half of the list easily but her placement is way too up in the air. My rankings for the ID girls aren't entirely current though because I haven't really watched them do Apex in a while.

I miss ゆめきゃわ

>>7370123
It's been a day...

>>7370123
tabako time, pls understand

>>7370115
Isn't ame too hight? She's definitely worse than Toaa.

>>7369858
lol

>>7370115
towa = ame => temma

okay retard

>>7342026
If we're just comparing Astel to the other Masters at this tournament there's no way he's an 8pt player dude. I agree that 10 feels too high but he's basically on par with the 9pt players and shown a higher ceiling than some of them. I don't think there's anything complicated at work here. Hal just thinks highly of Astel, as do a lot kf other Apex players, and assigned him the 10 based off his feelings.

>>7370190
do not laugh at Towa, she just needs to play more and someday she will definitely succeed.

>>7343284
Are people actually taking CR Cup results seriously? The whole tournament where your performance is largely determined by how hard your Pred or Pro player can carry?

>>7370115
I don't understand why you got the idea that Aqua is better than Matsuri and Towa. all she did was dominate the low rank lobby of people who entered the game for the first time. how she suffered at the diamond is her real level. not to mention the fact that for the team she is completely useless and at any tournament will not finish above 18th place.

I think towa is getting better.
Matsuri tho...

>>7326542
>Shiina's team though, Yom
Both Chiina and Yomi are shit-tier

>>7370083
Wtf

https://youtu.be/gN7kPfUy7tM
Thoughts?

Why is Chihiro still not improving despite playing the game literally 24/7

>>7370653
Hours spent doesn't automatically correlate with improvement. You plateau pretty quickly unless you're actively thinking about how you can improve. People who "permastuck" in Gold in whatever ranked game they play aren't stuck. They're at exactly the placement they deserve to be at.

>>7370602
I like the Hendy impersonation at 0:20
>>7370653
She just needs to use the gender bend model because everyone knows boys are just better at games.

How did Kanda end up in 2 straight VSaikyos despite barely touching the game for a year, how did he end up with Miru and 96neko of all teams.

>>7370912
networking, there's a reason nijis are all over place in any tournament

>>7370653
You have really gave Chihiro a rest, APEX is really her first FPS ever.
You can see her really struggling during that PUBG event.
That said she's kinda getting better ever since the Alphaazur lecture. she's starting more confident especially during infight.

>>7370969
All the girls want to get to know him...

>>7370602
coronavirus

>>7370508
I was surprised that Towa outperformed met at cr cup. She has good fundamentals but she fumbles and chokes a lot. Looking at her archives she barely plays apex outside of tourney scrims. She doesn't seem to stream that much in general tbf. Matsuri doesn't stream that much apex either but I constantly see her Twitter alt posting clips of her rank climbs.

>>7370519
Where has yomi been for the last 6 months anyway. I barely see her.

>>7372067
in menhera med

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Gky2BpzyU

purple woman love

>>7371643
Towa plays a shit ton of apex off stream.

damn pute team look strong, i didn't know mayuzumi paly crypto.

>>7371643
Met had nerves issues and this was her first CR Cup. She made a bunch of uncharacteristic mistakes like throwing a grenade that bounced off a wall back at her as well as continuing to batt while the last person ran inside the house in the last ring, stuff that she normally wouldnt do but probably due to nerves. This is also why I debuff players with limited tourney experience fmpov.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXmwAjF_Ycw
I went to look at Temma's POV, and he's actually pretty decent? His aim is good though his movement is still a bit sluggish and he hesitates sometimes before acting

>>7369024
You can tell this person is a Holobrony because they put in Botan, someone who played Apex a grand total of once on stream, and ignored Towa, who’s probably one of the biggest Apex gremlins in Holo.

>>7373009
She's inclining.

>>7378448
Some of it is due to it being her first Apex stream since her break but she's definitely doing well, I only hope that she can balance out her work and streaming situation and doesn't burn out again.
Her 2.0 is also very cute.

>>7368326

https://mobile.twitter.com/rikkaroid/status/1421842892008550401

RIKKA COLLABING WITH UEDA KANA HOLY MC FUCKING SHIT

>>7373009
Did they get streamsniped? Why are there 3-4 teams on their ass every time they land.

>>7379552
Plat lobbies with 1 day to go for split.

>>7378834
At this point Apex can be a national sport in Japan.

>>7379720
They are probably mostly diamond lobbies, apex ranked goes with the rank of the highest ranked player in a party.

>>7378834
His relations are amazing

>>7378834
Too bad it's not Ueshama, Roberu would die.

>>7378834
>ywn play Apex with Tohsaka

Is Nazuna a Shadowverse addict?

How did Beni do in the valorant tournament? Her pov is down.

sad that ranked is just a smurf cesspool rn at the end of the season. Ibra fuwacchi and abo are just playing gold players or low-level players at plat.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45g6ZuqlCzE
Sumire late night minecraft

When does she even sleep? She was playing apex until something like 8AM. Routinely, the VSpo members (and seemingly most of the apex or valorant players they collab with) live like they are in another timezone.

>>7340038
>Astel's low performance during last tourney
That's some bullshit. That tournament had literal MONSTERS in it and although Astel's team has good players they don't really mesh well with their play style.

I hope Bora isn't feeling pressured into collabing with EN. If it's a 'natural' sort of collab then that's all fine but I want her to enjoy streaming in her limited schedule and not feel like it's a chore.

I'm a newfag in watching apex tournaments. Who are the best players in Nijisanji, Hololive, 774 and vspo?

>>7392962
Any reason why those particular groups in general? And are we talking solo or tournament?

>>7392962
My wife Met might not be the best, but she is the cutest.

>>7393043
I'm mostly curious and because I watch a few vtubers of those 4.

And if we possible, I would like an opinion for both solo and tournament.

>>7394017
bora, but she's not in vsaikyou 3 so i think chihiro, astel, uge and noah.

>>7395651
You think Chihiro is better than Kanae?

>>7394017
Gonna stick to just the players in VSaikyou + ones that I think are cute because that's already way too many.

From Strongest to Weakest:
Nijisanji: Bora, Chihiro/Kanae, Kuzuha/Naraka, and then some combination of Ibrahim, Ratna, Ex Albio, Setomiya. Bora is cute and definitely the strongest both in a solo and tournament setting. The new NijiEN girl, Selen, seems pretty good solo but we'll have to see, also she seems very nervous so who knows how she'll do in a tournament. Chihiro is the face of Apex gremlinhood but she's definitely stronger solo than tournament although she has been improving. Kanae is quite strong if he isn't fucking around, but he's usually fucking around. Kuzuha is very well known for his Apex streams as well.

Hololive:
Astel, Izuru, Temma, Towa, Matsuri, Rikka, and the rest. Astel rather infamously did an endurance solo to master and although he struggles in team play he can solo his way to victory as he did in Kagayaki Cup. Towa plays in a lot of tournaments and suffers from nerves but is a valuable team player for her points. Matsuri though being a Master plays more like a low Daiya/High Plat with her movement and aim although she is good for team atmosphere.

774 (and Leona because I feel like it)
Uge, Met, Leona, Wat, Ran
Uge is a Master (although a relatively weaker one) which makes her better than the others by default. Met is cute and decent at the game although she is still relatively new to tournaments. Leona is cute but is basically a Caustic-only player.

Vspo:
Noah, Hinano, Qpi, Sumire, Nose, and then the rest are all more or less in the same bracket (read: I don't watch enough of them to make a proper evaluation). Noah is probably the strongest (and cutest) Vspo although Hinano is also very good, and both have lots of tournament experience. Qpi is also a good player but doesn't really play in the CR Cup setting as much. Sumire is the weakest of the Vspo Masters but still a very reliable and solid player. Nose is a filthy NEET. I think Nazuna could be as good as her sister if she actually liked playing Apex and grinded it.

>>7395836
What do you think of Meika?

>>7396396
Meika's pretty decent, he Astel and Izuru did a grind to Master together and they were all roughly comparable to each other, probably a bit weaker in the solo carry department and better in the team play department than Astel.

>>7395739
probably. i haven't watched much kanae admittedly, but i think chihiro will lead her team to a higher placement than kanae.

Pls stay away from my wife selen…

>>7395836
What about Lauren?

>>7397107
I haven’t seen any of the new Nijis so I can’t say.

>>7397107
Lauren is the best in Nijisanji jp by a large margin. His movement, aim, decision making is far above the rest.

AAAAAAAAAAAA

>>7395739
Gameplay wise Kanae is far more stronger than Chihiro, but Chihiro can lead people shit(especially if they have great moodmaker/icebreaker player)

>>7378783
This thumbnail is so fucking funny man

>>7396396
Generally agree with the other guy but I would put Naraka ahead of Chii and Kanae.

>>7382136
Nose also plays offstream afaik. Always felt that there was a deal with Cygames that didn't materialize.
My oshi curses me by playing and enjoying this card game that I quit while her parakeets squack in the background...

>>7395836
nose perform lot of great play for a dia2 in these last two cr cup, gonna wait and see how well she does with igl in this vsaikyou.

"those legends" team apex stream for awhile now. Fun to watch this team

https://youtu.be/e0mR22_1w2I pute pov
https://youtu.be/WcpRwLXm7kA nose pov

it's funny that in so many of the teams the carry are girls, like yashiro team, nose team, akina team,... apex autism is more potent on girls i guess

>>7404995
The male APEX autists are all males on pro-teams, on the flipside the female one aren't good enough so they're vtubers instead.

>>7397323
>ppppppppffft ahahahahaha what did you say bro? Oooooookay, she's decent but hahahahaha do you even BELIEEEEEEEEVE in this skill!? I will END YOU with a 2020 ahahahahahah

Nose...

>>7405445
>レイス。。。?
> あ。。 忘れてた
nose...w

>>7403549
ratna petit doesnt know how to play a heal off?

>>7405491
what are you expecting? nobody knows how to do a heal off or know whats a heal off in the first place. pute and mostly everyone is a casual

>>7405600
thousands of hours of gameplay and a history of playing scrims with and against pro-level players isnt exactly the most casual experience

>>7405847
> ratna petit
You reek of newfaggotry. CR cup is a fucking showmatch, a PR cup. They are playing it for fun not to actually be pro players or for money. These vtubers aren't tryhards or thinking about the game every single day unlike uruca they dont strive to actually be the best in the game. They don't care about shit like heal off or getting 3rd partied so you can stop backseating. Also pute is quite the retard anyways so you ought to tune out if youre looking for high level apex

>>7406281
their playstyle seems quite tryhard

>>7406281
I've seen Kanae fans saying he's pro-level just because he plays with pros in CR cup.

>>7406459
not everyone enjoys the dumb ape playstyle thats so prominent in na ranked. They clearly prefer the slow games because it was early in the morning anyways. Also they are practising their decision making and オーダー

>>7406467
> Kanae fans
so simps and stans saying their streamer is good at the game. Got it. Kanae is only a casual master at best he hasn't played in an actual pro lobby where 14 teams are alive at ring 4 with everyone being similar skilled that can beam 100s. Ranked and competitive is very different.

>>7406467
>>7406820
also idk who said kanae fans are. eops or stans you shouldnt trust what they say. regardless, other than ras, he hasnt played with any actual professional player in cr cup before

>>7340038
>Invites Astel to Vsaikyou 1 despite basically being a nobody
>Teaches Astel personally how to use Gib to give his team the best chance possible of surviving the meta
>Gives him 10 points and says he thinks he and Pakael are the closest to predator rank
If anything, Astel is Hal's Holopro Oshi

>>7406467
CR cup is a show match. I went to check who his teammates were in previous CR cups because you mentioned playing with pros.
1 - Admin, Kamito
2 - Chihiro, Kuzuha
3 - Kuzuha, Soraru
4 - Chihiro, Kuzuha
5- Kuzuha, Vodka
6 - Ras, Seto Miyako
To my knowledge, only Ras is a current pro player among all his previous teammates.
His other teammates are vtubers, streamers, utaite.
Pro competitive level is definitely different from just Ranked

>>7324547
>i dont have to remind you retards that this is a personal opinion do i
No, but now I have to remind you that doesn't mean no one can shit on your opinion if it sucks.

>>7315634
>I watched amatsuki a few times but was never that impressed, good aim and decent movement but never seems to make smart plays imo
Not being personally impressed is fine, but to imply he didn't deserve to enter CR is a big stretch and it suggests that because you watch pros all the time your judgement is warped by unrealistic expectations for players that aren't in the world's top 10 or can't kill half the a pub lobby or something

>>7395836
>Kanae is quite strong if he isn't fucking around, but he's usually fucking around.
>Towa plays in a lot of tournaments and suffers from nerves but is a valuable team player for her points.
>Uge is a Master (although a relatively weaker one) which makes her better than the others by default
You are the first person in these threads to actually seem to have fair assessments, it's almost as if you actually pay attention to the talents.

>>7407456
yep, dispute it all you want. I'm just saying that I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone and that you should watch the chuubas to judge for yourself. If I think shiina and yomi are dogshit and wont win a single game in objection to this >>7326542 , thats only my perspective of them (I'll still be supporting shishi though!)

>>7406281
>These vtubers aren't tryhards or thinking about the game every single day

>>7407761
I'd say as a general thing there's an overall underestimation of what the lower teams are capable of. I won't say who I'm thinking of specifically because I want to see how opinions change over the next two weeks.
I'm not sure of your assessment of Yomi herself, but I am leaning towards the opinion that against the rest of the teams they'll be working harder, even if they managed to get Miyako on the team.

>>7407792
it's literally only matsuri (another level), then elu and chi-chan who thinks apex is more than a game. Nobody else gives a shit and just play the game casually

>>7408311
It's fine if you don't watch streams, just stop pretending to know anything.

>>7408592
what the hell you can't just call out 99% of /vt/ like that

>>7408592
> posts a shitty jpeg white male meme
not surprised that the apex thread on the notorious /vt/ board would attract eop retards and tourists. Tell me why didn't we stay at /jp/ again. I'd rather take a semi-dead thread than /vt/ retards

Genzuki is added to Pakael and Fairys chan's team.

>>7405491
It was Nose that fucked it up. Didn't long portal, didn't even Q at all.

>>7409863
Brilliant thematic choice.

>>7405847
petit isnt even level 500, where did you get "thousands of hours of gameplay"

>>7410492
I hope he whips out the girl voice.

Met
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj8lzrWilWs

>>7406467
just like Aquafags said Aqua is a beast or Ayamefags said she is good, fanboys are fanboys after all

Oh, NosePute did win a heal off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK4g6TXQtWU

Despite Nose's several misplays.

>>7411736
she's so cute!

>>7411969
Aqua is definitely good at the game, not as good as her fanboys would try to make out, but she's definitely good. She was mainly held back by her reluctance to do anything other than grind solo.

>>7411649
What do you mean he? You telling me the theme isn't a team of cute girls?

>>7412561
Aqua doesn’t know how to improve at the game at this point. She’s been stalled at the mid-daiya level and until she plays with other people that are better than her she will never improve. Whenever I saw her Apex streams back in the day she was always just ratting.

Aqua is a beast

>>7412959
In bed

>>7413894
Yeah, mine

>>7413941
thanks for lending me the bed :)

When are Uto and Chihiro going to play together?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFp6ilp0jFI
Beni zatsudan

last month chihiro streamed 330 hours

how is mayuzumi? didnt watch the stream

Bonnivier Apex
https://youtu.be/cwQoMTY-Z5k

>>7407729
I mean my working assumption was that nobody on /vt/ actually watches vtubers so I'd figure I'd try to be somewhat useful.

>>7414949
To be fair it's not all APEX, she's has been working hard leveling down a mountains in MC

Bora 200k おめでとう

>>7418247
Don’t know how to feel about this… not in a bad way though

>>7419176
What do you mean?

>>7419336
Something like chihiro comment section maybe. More expectation to keep up with and stuff

>>7419464
Bora already defined her pace, if people dont like it they can fuck right off. Everyone knows Bora is a good girl after all.

>>7324547
I do the same as you, including doing clips and analysis, but you got wrong a few things
>T1
I agree, they play along and a lot, nothing surprising there
>T2
It's fine too, they are all players that are worth more points than they actually are here, Noah+Towa is a very good combination, both have a lot of tournament experience, Towa is better than Matsuri but she froze rank so she's still D4, Kanae too it's at least D1, but daddy ShibuyaHAL let's them have their shitty fake rank points, I think Noah is the only one that got her points right, those are the teams that will get most of the viewers (+Reid, but his team is not as cohesive) so I can't complain, everyone in T2 is up there just by raw skill disparity and freezing rank
>T3
This is where I disagree, Meika IS NOT going to carry a gold player, Odanobu is barely Diamond, also, Uge's team should be on T2 too, Ibrahim also freezes rank, if instead Rene they had Miyako they could even get to T1
You are sleeping on Izuru's team too, Temma is very underrated because he just started playing Apex seriously some months ago and we haven't seen a lot of him yet, all they need is some good coaching which I think they are getting (prob. Kamaneko again), Rikka is worse than Choco/RBC though
Astel's team is the hardest to evaluate, he's capable of carrying them, last vsaiko he made Aruran, a literal first-time-playing-apex into a decent player that got solo Diamond, but all depends on how much they play together and how much spagetti is spilled, this team is definitevely on par with Meika's
Pakael too was weird, he could've gone with 2 decent plat players but instead went for a Bronce and a P1 player, Genzuki is barely better than Nagao Kei and that doesn't say a lot
>T5
Yeah, Matsuri is nowhere near to any of the other Master players and has to carry that weight, at least ShibuyaHAL was kind and gave her 8 points

>>7421322
>Astel's team is the hardest to evaluate
It will be a fucking miracle if Astel could coach this 2 potatoes to a decent skill.

>>7421322
As for Gorilla, he's going to do the usual thing, get a "camp" comp and play the circle, he doesn't need to risk fighting other teams, it will all depend on the drop sites where he needs uncontested zones, he's no longer the vtuber Apex god he was a year ago, or worded differently, the average vtuber skill is so much higher that the skill difference is not a huge gap
Leona's team is very balanced, they just need to play as if it was a ranked match, they frooze rank a bit too but it's not too much of a difference to make it into a tangible difference
I haven't seen a lot of Uto's gameplay, but she's in a good team, she lacks tournament experience but I believe in Chi-chan

>>7421457
If he wants to win he needs 2 things
>they need to hear to whatever he says
>they need to stop him when he starts going monke

>>7421736
leona's team performance should depend pretty heavily on how the meta will be next season. they have caustic and loba with probably ran on wraith so..

>>7424359
this tournament has a huge downside, it's right after the new season starts, the worst thing is the next care package only weapons, low skill players are fond to pick the spitfire because it's easy to control but that's rotating, same with the alternator, it's meta breaking with the shield shredder attachment and god knows what more changes are in, I think I heard gas-oji was getting buffs

>>7425134
patch notes are out
https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/emergence-patch-notes

Selen I swear if you are trying to pressure my Apex wives into collabing with you and it ends up being the awkward language and cultural disaster that I fear it might turn out to be I will root against any tournament team you end up on.

>>7395836
Whoa, thanks for this post anon, this is very enlightening and interesting.

>>7421457
Roboco isn't that bad. With some coaching and practice she might even surprise people. It's Choco who's really going to have to step up. That said, I don't think any of them are in this to win it. It's enough that they have fun and hopefully RBC/Choco come out of it feeling good and being much better at Apex.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOYarDJi6Eg
Pakael is still live and he's actually really good? I'd put him above Astel in close range fighting from what I've seen so far, perhaps a bit below in long range

>>7426114
they played together like 2 weeks ago, tried ranked for like 2 matches

>>7426427
I didn't know that, do you remember the stream they played together?

>>7426756
Here it is, timestamped when he joins
https://youtu.be/dMJTIxRqrtQ?t=4369
he said that, in that stream, he said that he would accept requests to play with other vtubers

>>7425134
Most worried about seer, his "tactical the size of one legend" is the size of three semi trucks.