/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXuHjamrEhw
This channel might be useful for these threads. Posts top 100 biggest streams of the month with peaks and averages and graphs (averages and graphs limited to top 30)

>>7377715
Olympics doing well

>>7377715
What’s that “strawberry” thing?

>>7377918
>90k viewers
>loses the top spot to FGO, a dying mobage in a dying franchise
>Doing well
lmao

>>7377715
Wow 241k
I wonder how many people dropped the game after they didn't add pity again tho

>>7377982
Strawberry Prince, a group of male utaites that also use virtual avatars. They're pretty popular in Japan.

>>7377715
This is a hololive without Coco. Watching hololive without Coco is like eating Curry Rice without using any plates. Completely baseless. Tell me holobros, how does it feel knowing that from now onwards (You) will be eating off the floor like pathetic Niji Dogs?

>>7377869
Top 3 vtuber streams for last month was:
1. Coco's graduation
2. Marine's Connect Fantasia
3. Nijisanji's Koshien Draft

Only 2 100ks from Nijis last month. So, this month, I'd expect them to at least pass Gura's outfit reveal and be the top viewed stream this month.

Meanwhile, Holos are getting prepared to celebrate their anniversaries and EN 2 debut.

July superchat rankings
>Hololive
1. Kiryu Coco - $308,878
2. Uruha Rushia - $172,748
3. Amane Kanata - $131,609
4. Houshou Marine - $109,579
5. Usada Pekora - $100,920
6. Tsunomaki Watame - $87,683
7. Nakiri Ayame - $70,152
8. Takanashi Kiara - $66,520
9. Yukihana Lamy - $66,487
10. Oozora Subaru - $65,919
11. Sakura Miko - $55,524
12. Inugami Korone - $55,336
13. Mori Calliope - $49,327
14. Shiranui Flare - $44,012
15. IRyS - $43,050
16. Minato Aqua - $37,829
17. Nekomata Okayu - $37,431
18. Shirogane Noel - $36,264
19. Gawr Gura - $34,212
20. Momosuzu Nene - $31,263
21. Shishiro Botan - $26,353
22. Shirakami Fubuki - $25,419
23. Natsuiro Matsuri - $24,541
24. Ookami Mio - $23,426
25. Ninomae Ina'nis - $22,787
26. Hoshimachi Suisei - $22,391
27. Akai Haato - $21,157
28. Watson Amelia - $20,955
29. Tokoyami Towa - $17,967
30. Kureiji Ollie - $17,710
31. Himemori Luna - $17,709
32. Murasaki Shion - $14,941
33. Aki Rosenthal - $12,153
34. Tokino Sora - $9,509
35. Omaru Polka - $7,622
36. Roboco - $5,840
37. Pavolia Reine - $5,577
38. AZKi - $5,335
39. Airani Iofifteen - $4,063
40. Yuzuki Choco - $3,765
41. Moona Hoshinova - $3,172
42. Anya Melfissa - $3,118
43. Yozora Mel - $2,204
44. Ayunda Risu - $1,079

>>7378385
>Nijisanji
1. Ibrahim - $179,509
2. Kanae - $110,232
3. Yuki Chihiro - $74,110
4. Machita Chima - $43,007
5. Kagami Hayato - $40,489
6. Lain Paterson - $39,263
7. Pomu Rainpuff - $32,655
8. Levi Elipha - $31,515
9. Kuzuha - $29,348
10. Nagao Kei - $26,727
11. Mashiro - $21,186
12. Genzuki Tojiro - $20,783
13. Axia Krone - $18,646
14. Oliver Evans - $17,455
15. Debidebi Debiru - $17,253
16. Furen E Lustario - $16,908
17. Shirayuki Tomoe - $16,748
18. Elira Pendora - $16,690
19. Sasaki Saku - $16,619
20. Kaida Haru - $16,616
21. Fushimi Gaku - $16,535
22. Tsukino Mito - $14,738
23. Inui Toko - $14,605
24. Nishizono Chigusa - $13,681
25. Ars Almal - $13,536
26. Fuwa Minato - $13,490
27. Shiina Yuika - $12,529
28. Yumeoi Kakeru - $11,834
29. Honma Himawari - $11,715
30. Takamiya Rion - $11,156
31. Yorumi Rena - $10,829
32. Amamiya Kokoro - $10,794
33. Yashiro Kizuku - $9,902
34. Kenmochi Touya - $9,334
35. Belmond Banderas - $9,207
36. Harusaki Air - $9,108
37. Hakase Fuyuki - $8,929
38. Finana Ryugu - $8,390
39. Kurusu Natsume - $8,345
40. Onomachi Haruka - $8,042
41. Hoshikawa Sara - $7,864
42. Ratna Petit - $7,638
43. Naraka - $7,484
44. Ange Katrina - $7,452
45. Eli Conifer - $7,440
46. Fumino Tamaki - $6,828
47. Makaino Ririmu - $6,775
48. Ex Albio - $5,765
49. Joe Rikiichi - $5,656
50. Selen Tatsuki - $5,381

>IRyS nitro boost still good for a couple of positions

>>7378431
>Others
1. Amano Pikamee (VOMS) - $32,772
2. Ikinone Tomeru (Sinsogumi) - $29,962
3. Sakusan Kanon (Independent) - $29,290
4. Ouma Kirara (NoriPro) - $20,581
5. Kageyama Shien (Holostars) - $19,647
6. Shirayuki Mishiro (NoriPro) - $18,938
7. Shibuya Hal (Independent) - $17,116
8. Yumeno Lilith (NoriPro) - $17,065
9. Padko (Independent) - $16,862
10. Suou Patra (HoneyStrap/774) - $16,570
11. Tenshi Nano (Masquerade) - $16,470
12. Nekoda Pepero (Masquerade) - $15,434
13. Zaki (Independent) - $14,761
14. Aragami Oga (Holostars) - $14,426
15. Kurumizawa Momo (NoriPro) - $14,169
16. Ayamy (Independent) - $13,841
17. Arurandeisu (Holostars) - $13,566
18. Araka Luto (PRISM Project) - $13,437
19. Natori Sana (Independent) - $13,308
20. Carro Pino (.LIVE) - $13,230
21. Inaba Haneru (Animare/774) - $12,661
22. Maaru (Independent) - $12,573
23. Natsume Eri (Independent) - $12,399
24. Kohanai Sii (Independent) - $12,041
25. Caname & Haruky (Independent) - $11,834
26. QuonTama (GuildCQ) - $11,095
27. Fuji Aoi (Universal Music Japan) - $10,734
28. Tomari Mari (Independent) - $10,712
29. Yukoku Roberu (Holostars) - $10,562
30. Suda Yoruka (Renew Live TW) - $10,243
31. Hoozuki Warabe (NoriPro) - $10,014
32. Gatchman V (Independent) - $9,932
33. Koaku Mayo (IseV) - $9,736
34. Komori Met (VApArt/774) - $9,735
35. Yumesaki Mia (Propro) - $9,687
36. Mirutani Nia (NoriPro) - $9,563
37. Lutra Lutra (Rescute) - $9,453
38. Toba Rana (Yenz Production) - $8,911
39. Neko Matsuri (Independent) - $8,705
40. Tenjin Kotone (Independent) - $8,623
41. Milina Harugashumi (Independent) - $8,386
42. Kamomi Kamomi (Independent) - $8,382
43. Ichinose Uruha (VSPO) - $8,278
44. Miyoshino Shiki (PRISM Project) - $8,158
45. Ponpoko (Independent) - $7,726
46. Tsukinoki Tirol (Animare/774) - $7,639
47. Hinano Ui (Cottage Project) - $7,621
48. Namahoshi-chan (Sinsogumi) - $7,621
49. Kagami Marina (Independent) - $7,614
50. Kazami Kuku (Animare/774) - $7,560

>>7377986
FGO might be dying, but they still earned more revenue in JP than freaking Genshin Impact. That alone showed that it's still pretty big, anon. The only reason the mobage might be dying was just the lack of contents, not the lack of fans

>>7378385
Impressive to see Nene that close to Gura despite streaming less than usual because of Negi-U and promotion work

>>7378385
>be ayame
>show up
>stream like, 5 times
>collect monies
>giggles
>everybody is better off than before

>>7378524
It's still an embarrassment when the olympics, a normie sporting event with the backing of big international corporations and nations, falls behind a mobile game run by a small company

>>7378638
Gura lost 10 days due to family emergency and Pc issues, and also she was never a particularly high sc earner anyways

>>7378767
>It's still an embarrassment when the olympics, a normie sporting event with the backing of big international corporations and nations, falls behind a mobile game
It’s more of an embarrassment when a number thread about VTubers is talking about the olympics.

Kson has brute forced her way into the 50 most subscribed vtubers in the world. She's planning on streaming on a daily basis and by my projections I see her entering the top 30 withn 14days.

>>7378790
i don't care, i am just pumped to see Nene do well

>>7378899
The incredible thing is that's her lowest monthly total for the year so far and it's still good, I feel like she's found her niche as kinda the Flare of Gen 5, not a great sub count but strong superchats and viewer figures despite that

>>7379068
>The incredible thing is that's her lowest monthly total for the year
not surprising. she had a lot of collabs and some promotional streams this month and those tend to get way lover sc numbers.
gen5 has a really interesting balance overall. Lamy has the sc, Botan got the subs and views , Polka should have the vod views and second highes subs and Nene has second best live views and sc

>Pekora holding on to 18k nousagi for SC reading
She’s just a league by herself.

>>7378872
maraih carey...

>>7378872
cyber girl siro...

>>7379351

>>7379394
>>7379435
Hold still anon, this will only sting a little and the voices will go away

how isn't Leos monetized yet.

Fubuki doing a graveyard shift? Also
> Prediction for InaGura collab?
Ina is almost always clearing 10k so it should be 10k Ina 15k Gura

>>7379844

>>7379844
>Fubuki doing a graveyard shift?
anon her stream would start at 6am jp time. unless we have different understandings of what a graveyard shift is thats not it

>>7379983
Wtf, look how late it is now! I had notice Sunday went by this fast, I thought 6 hours from now would be like 3AM in Japan

>>7379844
>15k
>EU primetime
>US/Asia are asleep
12k at most - just like any other time Gura has streamed at these hours.

>>7380084
US is usually at work, but it's a Sunday before labor Day, so no one should be at work unless it's OT or odd work scheduling.

>>7380073
yeah time fucking flies when you are having fun and crawls when you are at work

>>7377715
Daily Nijisanji August 1st

JP (over 10k)
85458 Nijisanji official
30266 Leos
29276 Yashiro
24840 Kanae
16695 Rion
14940 Mirei
12573 Akina
11359 Dola
10985 Mayuzumi
10975 Ratna
10742 Fuwa
10471 Ibrahim

New JP
15342 Lain
8519 Lauren
6108 Axia
3195 Oliver

EN
2915 Selen
1849 Finana
1839 Rosemi
1464 Petra

Bonus
12935 Bora

(quite a lot entries this time...)

>>7380223
Yeah, with Haachama back and having done two streams today time went like this
>click click

>>7380279
*19553 Ange
12409 Onomachi

>>7380279
I was surprised by Bora. Special event of sorts?

>>7380337
First Apex stream since return that's also a collab with Hal and Reid.

>>7380365
>also a collab
Oh, that must be it

>>7379725
He is just hasn’t turned it on yet, I think he said why but I haven’t checked

Gotta give it to Botan
>either herself or her manager are always getting the best paid gigs

>>7380768
Seriously, Botan has had nearly as many big promos since she got here as the previous gen combined.

>>7380768
>bringing Nene back into it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm7FdVAGBsU

>>7380854
No, really. Either her design is the bestestestest of the whole company or her roommate has a FUCK HUGE clout in the industry to the point they pick her reflexively

>>7379068
>The incredible thing is that's her lowest monthly total for the year so far and it's still good, I feel like she's found her niche as kinda the Flare of Gen 5, not a great sub count but strong superchats and viewer figures despite that
Lamy is the Flare of Gen 5. Nene looks like she's going to eventually end up being a Miko/Subaru-type late bloomer; she has all the tools to be big but just hasn't caught on yet.

>>7381117
>her roommate has a FUCK HUGE clout in the industry
Not to say I don't like her design, but I'm leaning more towards this.

>>7378872
>vtuber
>face cam
pick one

Gotta give it to Nabi Sensei
>THAT WAS FUCK XBOX HUGE
Are her ASMR sessions this good?

>>7380279
you're wasting your time and mine every time you post this. Either collect data from all vtubers or none at all.

>>7378872
what about pewdiepie, pokimane and sodapoppin?

>>7381647
>>7380279
Same anon here, I retract my message. You are a champion and a scholar and I kneel deep

>>7381647
Why are you so butthurt?

>>7381120
No Lamy is the Rushia of gen5

>>7381508
iirc she's a veteran in the eSports community

>>7381837
Let’s not get carried away, Rushia is the Coco of Gen 3

>>7381647
Eh I agree. Anybody here can open nijimado in one second. Same thing with holostats, and yet nobody here is reposting their daily live count screens, despite the bigger interest.

>>7381837
Nobody is the Rushia of any gen, and I don't mean just in terms of earnings. Rushia's style of GFE is on a different level, and it's much more central to her character and content.

>>7381700
The JP ranking sites hold more power than you. Bilibili-chama, You're not welcome here.

>>7382029
nobody is a copy of another person, but saying that lamy rakes in the scs like rushia does makes sense

>>7382060
Wrong
http://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/document/bilibili_ranking

>>7380279
Yashiro did well today. Are the Kaga sisters that much of a boost?

>>7382105
why does it tell me that your link is unsafe when their homepage is safe?

>>7382193
I hope you didn't click on it because if you did your IP is in the hands of president pooh now.

>>7381591
this, sadly.

>>7382232
>hoarding IP numbers
is he some kind of numberfag fetishist or something?

>>7382105
Thank you for revealing yourself as a big bilibili cocksucker.

>>7383539
whats wrong with bilibili?

>>7383711
It's run by China therefore it's bad

>>7383804
This but unironically

>>7381591

Her new model's not done yet. If you actually watched her stream last night she said she'll be using it once it's finished, it's about 50% done and she's expecting it this month.

>>7378767
People aren't watching the Olympics on freaking youtube. The Olympics are mainly being watched by people on regular TV. I feel like I shouldn't have to point this out, lol.

So numbers are a little lower than Haachama's first meme review, even with a guest. I wonder if it's because of the time slot choice though, Haachama picked a time that was pretty unfriendly to NA timezone, and it's no secret that a big portion of people watching meme review are kaigainikki.

>>7385984
kiara debuff is not a meme

>>7378466
Crazy seeing PRISM Project on there since they are just a small EN start up. They had a massive incline since Shiki's debut and both Shiki and Luto are expanding that brand huge. I'm excited to see what they do to continue growing.

>>7385984
>>7386064
I did not watch it because I hate Kiara.

>>7378385
>Ayame
How the fuck!? Someone please give me a logical explanation for this

Laughing my ass off looking at ina's and gura's numbers. So far ina has more viewers than gura.

>>7378466
NoriPro doing really good last month

>>7385984
It's definitely the timeslot choice

>>7386191
good for you mate but this is the numbers thread, not your personal opinion thread. Put up numbers or fuck off.

>>7386200
"Return" stream straight into a sub milestone

>>7386399
I'm sure the time slot didn't help but regular meme review with Coco usually got around like 40 to 45k typically so seeing Haachama get around 30k isn't surprising since she isn't Coco. It wasn't until the end when she started inviting on the EN talents that it started going higher, and of course Pekora also got 70k.

how do we save the shark

>>7386100
Prism project is really odd, they have one talent in each gen that's really successful, and then everyone else just sucks dirt. I don't know enough about Prism project to speculate with any degree of confidence, but it feels less like the agency is inclining and more like those particular talents stand out alot.

>>7386704
Tako priestess I kneel.

>>7386704
Move the collab to 3 hours later.
It looks like despite the fact that people aren't at work, time-zones STILL play a heavy effect on viewercount.
Also, the difference between someone who has their computer in order (Ina) vs someone who doesn't (Gura) is night and day. Ina's graphic settings are making the game better to look at on Ina's PoV.

>>7386217
>ina's and gura's numbers
Most of holo EN has declined while Ina seems more consistent, or less declined. Even if people point out different time slots and whatnot, the difference is still noticeable.

>>7386866
Yeah, we saw that streaming outside of your usual time slots even greatly affects somebody like Pekora. She got barely above 10k streaming around noon on a weekday.

These threads would be a lot better if doomers fucked off.

>>7387019
Here retard
>>7386866

>>7386866
chumcuck cope

>>7387090
That’s nonsense. In the past, Gura would be ahead regardless. We all know this.

>>7385984
Surprised nobody has mentioned the comeback buff wearing out. That's obviously a big factor.

>>7386735
I don't watch prism project much, is there a reason why Penguin's subs are so low compared to the rest of her gen? Usually the cunny of the gen will get a substantial sub lead but in Prism's case it's the complete opposite.

thats just sad
holoen owakon
maybe, the next gen? i hope that prelude shit isnt just some cringe lore

>>7387133
>>7387176
Even pekora had low numbers in certain hours. Stop falsefagging

>>7386866
>Ina's graphic settings are making the game better to look at on Ina's PoV.
This shouldn’t matter that much if someone just wants to watch Gura

>>7387624
>low numbers in certain hours
That’s not what’s being said. What’s being said, is that Gura would normally still be ahead regardless. That’s just the reality.

Superchats for the year so far, January to July 2021
>1. Kiryu Coco - $1,465,968
>2. Uruha Rushia - $1,123,222
>3. Houshou Marine - $676,205
>4. Usada Pekora - $579,922
>5. Amane Kanata - $555,648
>6. Yukihana Lamy - $543,521
>7. Mori Calliope - $509,240
>8. Takanashi Kiara - $489,414
>9. Gawr Gura - $438,704
>10. Tsunomaki Watame - $423,824
>11. Momosuzu Nene - $410,312
>12. Inugami Korone - $353,403
>13. Sakura Miko - $341,549
>14. Shiranui Flare - $328,470
>15. Minato Aqua - $316,129
>16. Nekomata Okayu - $308,008
>17. Oozora Subaru - $296,890
>18. Nakiri Ayame - $290,621
>19. Shirogane Noel - $257,626
>20. Natsuiro Matsuri - $248,290
>21. Amelia Watson - $247,166
>22. Ninomae Ina'nis - $227,081
>23. Hoshimachi Suisei - $199,027
>24. Tokoyami Towa - $198,235
>25. Shishiro Botan - $185,901
>26. Shirakami Fubuki - $172,125
>27. Aki Rosenthal - $163,628
>28. Ookami Mio - $151,471
>29. Akai Haato - $142,709
>30. Kureiji Ollie - $131,546
>31. Himemori Luna - $128,222
>32. Omaru Polka - $110,395
>33. Murasaki Shion - $109,629
>34. Roboco - $89,229
>35. Tokino Sora - $80,530
>36. Pavolia Reine - $61,225
>37. Yozora Mel - $48,083
>38. Yuzuki Choco - $43,693
>39. IRyS - $43,050
>40. AZKi - $33,871
>41. Anya Melfissa - $32,151
>42. Moona Hoshinova - $25,356
>43. Airani Iofifteen - $22,357
>44. Ayunda Risu - $18,133

>>7382160
It's more the Yashiro plays Apex with 2 girls that somehow always ends up as a boost for him.
Kaga sisters had about 20-30% more than normal for this hour, good but not as much as his 300%

>>7386645
It is the time slot, Coco was pretty much solo streaming at 12AM JST.
Haachama also didn't put up a stream reservation till very late so most redittors didn't even know when the stream was supposed to be.

>>7387523
>owakon
For a lack of trying.

>>7387836
Huh, I expected Flare to be higher.

>>7387836
Coco had literally a whole month of pity money and Rushia is barely behind and all she's had is a anni stream, wew.

>>7387836
Think Rushia will show sadness when she passes her crush again around November?
Usually they haven't mention it when they pass each other unless Papa dragon was involved, but this should be for the last time.

>>7388195
Coco also had 6 months of debuff where her channel was slowly dying, sometimes averaging 2k live viewers. That she was still so close is proof the tasunokos are insane too.

anyone has the table for time since last new costumes? Was it posted here around 2 weeks ago?

>>7387831
Stop that crap already this happen with everyone in certain hours no matter what

>>7388526
July`s view/time rankings, read the OP for more detail

>>7387836
I'm not sure if Irys blowing past the bottom feeders already is more funny or sad

>>7378385
>Risu dead fucking last

Wow views/time what a retarded metric

>>7389207
the only relevant metric. acknowledged by all biggest ad agencies

>>7387836
>>44. Ayunda Risu - $18,133
I know the IDs get $ from streamlabs as well, but damn this is low. How can we save her bros?

>>7389396
Total watchtime is the most mainstream measure of popularity, not w.e the fuck this is

Hmmm, there's no dip in CCV for Ina but Gura does... I will check the VOD views after the streams end before I judge.

>>7389101
What the fuck happened to Risu? She seemed to be taking off like a rocket and then she kind of just fell into obscurity.

>>7388960
Jezas that's a lot of numbers, good job anon.
Also how can we save Lumi? That cute wolfo (aooo) doesn't deserve to be at the very bottom

>>7389452
That's might as well be 180k considering the price of living in ID.
I know it's not the same for YT and Hololive because they're US and JP base but fuckem. I care about Risu living comfortably.

>>7389452
>>7389693
Risu is basically actively self-sabotaging herself.
Singing? No. NO SINGING. BANNED IF YOU ASK FOR SINGING. ACAPELLA SINGING ONLY FUCK YOU.
Any time she gains momentum, she does stuff that kills it, or at least that's what I've read and noticed. The current theory that her split and others have come to is that she's actively killing her growth so she can keep a 'smol comfy viewerbase'.
Which from a numbers perspective is absolutely infuriating, but ID management is very hands off so what can you do?

>>7389626
I don't see it recommended anywhere, so it's probably not getting any new viewers while Ina's keep refreshing.
Think YT doesn't like it for some reason.

>>7388960
I admire your work anon, but dividing streams into these length-based groups and then averaging it all out sounds extremely arbitrary and honestly kind of retarded. Also, there is a correlation between stream length and views, but it's not a 1-to-1 correlation so nothing justifies dividing views by time like that.

>>7386866
I just straight up forgot it was this early.
Didn't know she was streaming until coming on this board.

holobros dont look

>>7389946
Checked, same for me.

>>7390425
>>7389946
It's the same for me and I'm not subbed to any EN yet only Ina pops up.

>>7389626
Is the worst game of DS also gura is in 30fps with. Bad audio this is like scarlet nexus again. Very boring stream. Vods always help.
Tomorrow is crazy taxi and hope that game will be cool

>>7389946
>>7390425
the fuck? there`s not even the excuse of "not family friendly" in gura`s case

CHUMBUDS THIS IS AN EMERGENCY

>>7377715
Damn, FGO still going strong.

>>7390473
>>7390425
>>7389946
Maybe it got something to do with hashtags? Ina has the #TAKOTIME.

>>7378431
>7. Pomu Rainpuff - $32,655
Damn pomu

>>7387836
>Nene that close to Watame
god it makes me hard seeing her so high up and knowing that its in part thanks to me

>>7390705
Shark isn't using her hashtag. Graph anon found it weeks ago there was a hashtag that gura isn't including anymore.

>>7390781
>announces an operation
People took the bait like idiots

>>7391192
Who?

I bet Gura has more VOD views when the stream ends compared to Ina.

>>7389693
If you look at the two biggest ID talents (Moona, Ollie) they both play Minecraft frequently and often interact outside of the ID group (HoloJP, outside Holo, and even non-vtubers in Ollie's case). Risu does none of this. She doesn't play Minecraft, she never interacts with HoloJP, and despite many considering her among the best singers in Hololive......she never sings.

She is a bit different from Iofi and Anya despite being down at the bottom in views with them. They just have niche followings and a lot of people consider them boring. Risu on the other hand seems to be actively sabotaging her channel. As a fan of her I think she is way too talented to be bottom feeding in viewership. She has a deep knowledge of internet/meme culture that she could easily use to gain an audience. She is a fabulous singer and she would wow everybody with her voice to gain an audience. Lastly, if she wants to interact more with JP she has an in with Korone since Korone seems to like her, but again, she does none of it.

She also seems to like constantly taking breaks the most notorious example being after the huge momentum she got from NNN. After NNN she immediately took a break which disengaged all the new people she got interested in her content.

>>7391004
She's stopped using #chumbuds, #gawart and #gawrgura.
I don't know why she's stopped using her own tags, but it's odd.

Ahh the vod cumbud cope

>>7389946
Although this is a bit different, I noticed when IRyS came into an earlier time slot, pushing Gura earlier, it seemed to play a bit of a role in dropped viewers. Gura should never move her time since it’s what she developed an audience for.

>>7381591
Kson had her thing back in the day too. She's independent now as well so she can literally have both.

>>7390095
He already explained his approach months ago. You can check the archive for a throughout detail, but to put it simply, A one-minute ad with 10k viewership worth more than a one-hundred-minute ad with 100 viewership.

Tangential number time.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsOkHWCtjis&pp=sAQA
This video from nenemama, many of you will have seen. Almost 4 million views in less than 2 weeks.
Youtube keeps recommending it even though I have already seen it. It shows up literally every time I refresh the main page.

In the time since it was uploaded, she has gained 50k subs, to 171k. Her views have exploded.

I feel like hololive and nijisanji destroyed our view on numbers. I did some recon on twitch and learn that all hololive females' are basically top female streamers. When we look at gura she basically on par with pokimane who has over 6 million subs but average 17,000 viewrs. It insane how popular vtuber are

>>7391947
No it can't be blamed..and IRyS streams late as fuck a lot.

>Ina is actually the biggest debuff that exists
Fascinating

>>7392830
I don`t get this ad part, did you mean the vutber`s video itself? Anyways, the example is understandable, but technically no 1minute video was included - so all the short skits, amvs, songs, etc were not counted, only real streams.

>>7391281
ina will end with more unless they extend this until guras time.
Still ine the next 24hrs gura will have her vod with more views becasue she is te only vtuber whose views increase in 50% in the enxt 24hrs

>>7392830
Still retarded.
Saying that total watch time is a broken matrix doesn't mean that view/time is superior. View/time is extremely retarded because viewership doesn't scale linearly with time streamed, If you have a captive 50k vod viewer audience then it doesn't matter if you streamed for 4hours or an hour. you will get 50k vod views. Youtube vod views increase as time goes on so monthly metric is extremely bias to streams at the start of the month. They are both stupid metrics.

>>7393771
>if

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwD58yo-1T8
I came this analysis of twitter followers for Niji, HoloJP, .LIVE and 774. Not EOP friendly, but for every chart more blue implies more hako-oshiing and/or less interest in different companies. An interesting figure is that 55.76% of people who follow at least one Niji don't follow a single Holo, while 58.88% of people who follow at least one holo don't follow a single Niji. Not much of a difference between those numbers, but it's in line with what people always assume to be the case, that the companies have widely different target audiences. Another interesting figure is the total number of people who follow at least one Niji vs. the total number of people who follow at least one Holo. Both are just over 2M with Holo having a 100k lead over Niji.

>>7394643
came across*

July monthly views without holocaust vids.

>>7394643
Oh, I forgot to mention another noticeable figure. 25,809 people follow all nijis, while 183,546 people follow all holos.

Mio ftw

>>7387836
Huh, I expected a bigger difference between mori and kiara

Gura might be slightly retarded by titling it as DS3 instead of dead space 3.

>>7394851
That is interesting. Brand loyalty is there. It also makes sense that there is a difference in audience since you can see what are the most viewed in Nijis and Holos respectively. I think at this point Nijis are more less like a bunch of indie groups specializing in certain games or streams suddenly forming a group. Hololive on other hand is a big ass group group with one cohesive messaging behind them.

>>7395090
I think Nijis should stay as varied as possible and avoid going hard in trying to straddle a major chunk of the streamers doing one thing at a time like Nijipex. It hurts the streamers. But then again it's their call if they want to handicap themselves like that

>>7394851
Well, there are almost triple the number of JP Nijis compared to Holo and the Niji livers vary greatly in content and audience. It makes sense to have so little crossover even inside one company.

>>7395031
Yep, tags are bad, thumbnail bad, title bad
It's a trifecta and why YT isn't promoting her side of the collab.

>>7395031
Although now that I think about it, it might be fun seeing her attempt souls shit.

>>7395324
>title bad
>NEKOmorphs
>not using cat outfit
this woman I swear

>>7394643
Can you explain the part about following former idol clubs and stuff.

>>7394742
The prisoner guy is that strong? I had no idea

>>7389626
ok, it seems like the dip didn't matter much.

>>7394742
Kanata strong, i think she had her 3D debut that month.

>>7396646
with vods give it a few hours since vod queeus are super slow.

>>7395697
>following former idol clubs
Former idol-bu is .LIVE.

>>7391192
I kneel, her gachis actually followed her.

>>7396716
Sure, I will update it later.

>>7396716
>>7397017
Give it at least six hours. Gura's MV view count was locked for a few hours after release.

>>7397135
At that point your measuring VoD views, not views at the end of live

>>7386735
>one talent in each gen that's really successful, and then everyone else just sucks dirt
Iku is the most in gen 1 is because she learned/learning Indonesian and got that side who doesn't even show up for most of her streams. They only show when she's speaking indo
Luto is big because luto is luto. also being Gura's sister helps
Shiki got big because Youtube put ads on her Vtuber self-intro and shilled it to everyone and their mother.
The other talents don't suck, they just haven't gotten their chance to stick out

Why did NijiEN Fail? WHy did they LOSE?

>>7398952
because you are a chumbaby trying to distract people from gura's poor numbers.

>>7395211
I see nothing wrong with company wide events like MK8 and there's that soccer thing happening soon, and talks of a tournament bracket style once Splatoon 3 comes out. No one is forced to participate in them, and no one was forced to participate in Nijipex. Chihiro simply asked their discord and not enough Nijis responded, prompting her to ask outsiders.

>>7397135
gura VODS already passed Ina as always. the gap will increase more in a few hours

As someone who prefers Hololive and likes Gura, I’ve been warning people of Holo ENs decline, but the problem is the fanboys who think Cover is invincible. Between Cover’s ridiculous restrictions that can end up making the girls a bit more bland, Coco leaving which hurt Cover’s image a bit, Haachama who was thinking of quitting, Niji EN launching which mainly gets their numbers by taking from Holo EN, time going by which makes thing become a bit stale, etc. It all adds up to hurt Cover a bit. Honestly, they need to turn things around and soon. Also need to launch Holo EN Gen 2 as well. But they need to loosen up on restrictions and hope they can build interest lile they did before.

>>7400397
Hate that we have to specify what we watch or else we get called tribalistic but, speaking as a Nijifag, is 1k/2k live viewers really 'cannibalizing' the live views of HoloEN? Plus, HoloEN has FAR more subs. On top of that, how often do HoloEN and NijiEN overlap? Looking at streams that end up overlapping I don't see a noticeable enough dip for either company once the other company starts streaming.

>>7400597
>is 1k/2k live viewers really 'cannibalizing' the live views of HoloEN?
I said it all “adds up”, insomuch as not any one thing of the list I gave stands on its own. Meaning yes, as Niji continues to launch new EN streamers while Holo EN streamers are getting older now, it does in a small way effect Hololive. Again, it all adds up.

>>7400397
There are so many factors in play here.
>People are currently not locked in (this actually could change soon)
>HoloEN doesn't have a figurative monopoly on english speaking vtubers anymore, a scene with many corpo and indie vtubers has coagulated. NijiEN viewers in this board for example, are mostly people who used to watch HoloEN but didn't really click with any of them.
>Their schedules are more erratic, so pulling an audience has become harder. I feel Gura would do better in her original schedule when a lot of West Coast is out from work.
>As a side consequence from the last point, the algorithm has sided with clipfags, sending traffic their way instead of the girls.

>>7401007
>NijiEN viewers in this board for example, are mostly people who used to watch HoloEN but didn't really click with any of them.
I think one of the issues for Cover which I hadn’t listed, is that they only released a small amount of EN streamers, so there wasn’t enough variety when compared to Holo JP, which then opens the door to Niji EN when they launch more to choose from for an EN audience. Eventually one of Niji’s girls will click with someone who wasn’t satisfied with the choices from Holo.

>>7400397
I believe 'decline' isn't the right word, but stagnant. A lot of that has to do with coming off of June, where there was a lot of activity and then plummeting into a month where overall activity for the EN side was down significantly due to assorted breaks for various reasons.
It's also been long enough that there are significant weaknesses in each of HoloEN's talents that are noticeable by anyone who's paid attention over the past 10 or so months, the big one being
>Lack of collab synergy vs NijiEN/HoloJP
Gura and Mori are neutral to negative when it comes to collabs, Ina matches her collab partners well but isn't a good +energy type, Kiara is high energy but does things that actively filters (bad sound settings resulting in her being too loud, chicken voice), and Amelia sorta falls inbetween, where she does try, but can sometimes 'shut down' as seen during the summerfes.
A big thing is that all these girls are across 4 different timezones and 3 continents, which makes regular collabs very rough. Also, vs HoloJP, they don't have the same potential for collabs in Minecraft. (Hopefully changes when servers merge).

>>7401217
I agree all hololive en needs at this point is fresh air and badly. Cause right now It like we been sitting in an same room for about year and they need to let a window open to let some new air in which is basically en 2. Irys helped a little bit but that basically like using air freshener to hide the musk.

>>7394643
>companies have widely different target audiences
But it also shows that 41-44% Nijisanj/Hololive followers also follow Hololive/Nijisanji so not really.

>>7386704
where are the saviourfags when they're needed?

>>7394643
And another correction - it's just Animare in that video, not the whole 774inc.

>>7400397
They just need events to attract interest, like the new outfit reveal week. 3D would be nice.

>>7401217
>Lack of collab synergy
I did watch some of Niji EN, and the collabs did seem like the girls were more comfortable doing them, or maybe the way to put it is that seemed like they could simply be themselves. Less pressure perhaps? This is the environmental that Cover needs to create for Holo EN, but with what happened with Coco was the exact opposite of creating that environment. Cover needs to ease up and also let them collab within Hololive more freely.

>>7401790
I watch them. Not sure what kind of pressure Hololive is putting, but a lot of the NijiEN girls have collabed before Nijisanji. They also had a period of time before debuting, talking to each other and playing games. It also helps that they all live on the same timezone nearly.

>>7401790
Are you really dismissing the part that HoloEN been doing collabs with each other every month? What kind of environment cover wants are you talking about? Just take 2 seconds to google a collab and the vibe is the same as NijiEN

>>7401790
Anon, you are conflating collab synergy with collab restriction on Coco. The former is about how members work together on screen. The latter is about Coco not able to collab with EN.

>>7401952
>doing collabs with each other every month
I wasn’t referring to the frequency of collabs for Holo EN. Also I’m forming my opinion of Niji collabs based on a few I had seen. So I could be wrong about the differences between them.

>>7402002
>conflating collab synergy with collab restriction
Not exactly. It was more of assuming the environmental pressure (from different working environments) may impact the collabs in some way. I honestly don’t know, and was speculating about the perceived differences.

>>7400597
Hololive is just more popular, Nijisanji isn't a household name outside of asia in a sense. Think of it like Nintendo, Hololive = Nintendo, everyone knows it. Struggle gamers remember GameTap and owning a Saturn, those would be the ones that know of and follow Nijisanji outside of clipfags. Think about it, A LOT of people's exposed to Anycolor shit is through clips, same with hololive largely BUT Hololive has so many more collabs with companies its hard NOT to know them and see them.

Imagine if Niji collabed with FGO, FEH, SinOAlice, Arknights, Genshin etc, they'd become just as popular if not more than Holo.

Will having two mvs released within 36 hours of each other buff or debuff their views?

>>7379725
>>7380388
He want to redo his debut and Mameneko presentation stream as first SC stream first.
It doesn't really matter with Eden's, since they already have voice pack and yell stuff.

>>7402507
Buff, higher chance they'll get recommended into each other, and she isn't streaming until the ttrpg so no new streams will interfere.
It's not like what happened with Sparks either, getting double debuffed (bad song name -coldplay : sparks- and streaming right AFTER the song on a collab on her channel)

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1422030266378244099

3rd merch collaboration with Capcom

Not sure what this "collab synergy" has to do with numbers. HoloEN is doing fine. And has more variety content than anything coming out if nijien.
As august comes and more events happen en will keep getting boosted.
Nijien has right now 3 stagnant girls. Fina, petra and rosemi. The other 3 are growing fine.
I would add though. That the succesful nijigirls are doubling on streming time (average 4hrs) and avoiding debuffs as much as they can. also avoiding long running series which will also limits their choices.

>>7402144
Assuming you're >>7401790, you are making the mistaken assumption that the girls are being pressured in any way other than "mind what you say to stay out of trouble". This is basic common sense everywhere in the world and practicing such is actually a good thing.

The biggest problem with Myth is that they are socially incompatible with each other. I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of the girls of Myth ends up distancing from each other once more HoloEN members debut just like it happened with JP1. The ones that are more likely to keep in touch will probably be the ones that are least likely to collaborate outside of their comfort zone.

>>7382160
>>7387940
Yashiro and Kaga sister's collab remind people of "27 and JK" collab(minus dirty jokes)

https://twitter.com/hyakkano/status/1421706479397076992

Also seems that (Aqua, Pekora, Fubuki, Marine and Noel) are going to appear in the next Young Jump

>>7402703
It doeant look line they are incompatible. But rather outside discord and some tweets they have no good ways to collab. Timzones and bad sleep schedules just fucks them too much. Only 3 of them touch minecraft and stream at different timezones.

>>7401952
>Just take 2 seconds to google a collab and the vibe is the same as NijiEN
NTA, but the vibe is definitely different between NijiEN and HoloEN. NijiEN just meshes better because of similar life experiences, interests and personalities imo. They're also better at just bantering and socializing with each other than the HoloEN girls. In HoloEN, Calli is noticeably awkward in many collabs, Kiara is too high energy and over the top/flirtatious for many of the girls, and Ame shuts down sometimes in group collabs from social anxiety. The HoloEN girls also have vastly different interests and life experiences, which makes it seem like they have less in common. Kiara is a mega idolfag when none of the other girls were into idols at all except like maybe Ina, Ame is way more into zoology than the other girls, Calli with music and Ina with drawing...etc. Another example would be Kiara and Calli share the experience of being a westerner who lived in Japan, which is something that the other girls don't share at all. I will say that one on one, the girls are slowly finding similarities and the chemistry is getting better over time.

It's not a big deal and it's nice to see the gap between the girls shrink over time as they find similarities between them, it's just different from NijiEN where they're like peas in a pod.

Now to get the thread back on track with NUMBERS, Gura's Dead Space 3 VOD has more views than Ina's despite having consistently lower viewership during the runtime. Will be interesting to check again in 24 hours.

Getting tired with repetitive argument, but do understand we are yet again in that cycle. When will these insecure fags learn

>>7403150
kek using an 8 minute stream as evidence of decline. That's just asking to get asspounded in a numbers thread.

>>7401790
I will try to answer this since I am a holofag. I will explain why your perceived notion is incorrect in general. You are only correct in part because of the restriction only applied to Coco for a period of time. It looks that there was restrictions applied to other branches but it was later revealed that there weren't any. If you look at any clips where a jp holo who were asked about holoen, they always say they want to but are hesitant because they are afraid of the miscom factor. Now for those who were confident to a certain degree, they have already collabed with them. Mostly with Ame and Kiara. Now you might think about Haachama and MC. That is the only thing that is really not explained but asides from that, Haachama has collabed with all EN except for Gura. Gura is the only person who doesn't initiate a collab and sometimes doesn't even respond. All outside collabs were initiated by other people. Another thing to point out is that the EN have a weird way of responding to skinship and pairings. Amesame had the best chemistry but stopped interacting before Ame was annoyed by it. Takamori has awful fake yuri shit but is actually good when just streaming and playing together without it. The trinity has great chemistry together. Kiara is actually funny when paired with Gura or Ame. I suggest watching the ttrpgs. It shows how insync the girls can be. They don't show it that much anymore because they tend to focus on their own niches now. They really can't build outside with JP because the language barrier is bad. Just watch the nacho collab with Gura. Ame is only bearable if she has a translator like Ollie. Maybe Irys can bridge the gap since her timezone is closer to JP and NA than is Kiara. She can also play games like fps so playing party games would be manageable if you are looking for an ENxJP collab.

>>7386735
Prism is jokingly called Zatsudan project by both fans and talents themselves, as most of the agency is full of dorky hags who love talking about random things that happen in their lives.

This anon >>7398141 pretty much explained reason behind the standout talents. The reason the other talents are seemingly behind is that they require a bit more investment than clips to fully appreciate them.

>>7387364
Pina is a sweetheart, but she's definitely not the cunny of the gen, that title belongs to Nia. She and Yura are both zatsudan heavy, and she didn't enjoy the same boost from a hololive mama like Yura did.

>>7401217
>A big thing is that all these girls are across 4 different timezones
dont tell this coping holofaggot about nijiEN's timezones. he might go crazy.

>>7403281
Shit I didn't notice, this then

>>7403301
>Kiara is actually funny when paired with Gura or Ame.
can kfps leave this numbers thread with their delusions?

>>7386704
maybe she doesnt want to be saved, she wants to play bloody games while not having to take care of other people's kids

>>7403422
I'm not a kfp. I only subscribed to Kiara just to so that I don't miss out on collabs

>>7403386
Oh yea, MH is a game where skill level matters in attracting views, and Gura was baaaaaad. She tried her best to make it entertaining, but oof, seeing her struggle and then forget her progress was pain.

>>7403370
Can you elaborate? From their stream times, it seems like Lazulight are all in the NA region. Not sure about Obsydia tho.

>>7403386
LOL this is anecdotal, but as someone who watched that stream, Gura's MH gameplay is a major debuff. She is legitimately awful at the game and this was her like 5th MH stream of just struggling through the game. Every hunt that should be <20min was a 45 min struggle. As a viewer, it was really hard to stay engaged and she was also pretty done with the game at that point.

>>7403370
>coping
We're all having a normal discussion, leave your buzzwords at home.
>>7403499
Elira Pomu Finana and Rosemi are in EST. Petra is in JST. Selen may be in EST but I forgot. Also, 3 of them are Canadian (Elira, Selen, Rosemi?)

>>7403571
>Elira Pomu Finana and Rosemi are in EST. Petra is in JST. Selen may be in EST but I forgot. Also, 3 of them are Canadian (Elira, Selen, Rosemi?)
Thanks, that's what I thought. I knew Elira was EST for sure because she said it was 5am during a karaoke stream when it was 2am in my timezone (PST). Petra streams sometimes in JP times and since she used to stream on Bilibili, it doesn't surprise me that she's in Asia somewhere. I also assumed Selen and Rosemi were Canadian since they speak English and French. Selen speaks Canto/Mando too and the combination of English/French/Canto/Mando primarily exists in Canadian cities like Toronto or Vancouver.

>>7402659
suisei uooooo. She isn't my oshii, but she is the holo I lust for most.

>>7387836
What's their take home? Heard it isn't even a % of SC/Membership but a fixed amount regardless

>>7403930
They only get the first $3000 of SCs, nothing above that. Couple that with the fact they need to pay for using the 3D studio and making their own songs and it paints a very bleak picture of exploitation in Cover Corp.

>>7403930
Eh?
If Coco's statement this true for all, Hololive is half of the remaining split post yt-cut, which is 30%. So 30/35/35.

>>7403930
It's percentage of their SCs, ads and Memberships. They have a bigger profit from personal merch like birthdays and whatnot because they fund the cost of the pre-orders. They also get a bigger percentage from sponsorships mainly because YT doesn't get a cut. The only question is if Cover gets a cut from original songs and if the vtuber gets a royalty cut from merch tie-ins like nendos.

>>7401007
NijiEN can't even manage a 3k average for their views. They are irrelevant. They're just what people watch when holoEN isn't streaming.

>>7404235
Average views doesn't matter when there's already 6 of them each pulling 1-2k minimum. That's 6k - 12k views not going to hololive, and it only increases with every new liver Nijisanji adds.

>>7404067
Holy shit this is a pathetic post.

>>7404384
Why would you assume none of those are watching holo as well?

>>7404130
>The only question is if Cover gets a cut from original songs and if the vtuber gets a royalty cut from merch tie-ins like nendos.
I don't know about tie-ins, but I cam certain that original songs depend on who is incurring the costs of production.

>>7404384
>not going to hololive
I didn't know everyone who watches NijiEN has never ever watched a HoloEN stream

>>7404554
Because NijiEN doesn't get 0 viewers when a holoEN is streaming. 1-2k minimum who will not be watching holoEN over nijiEN. That number goes up by another 1-2k every time a new liver debuts, they'll slowly bleed away holoEN until it dies.

>>7404384
Won't necessarily work like that. Firstly, NijiEN mostly streams in the hours between when Gura and Calli/Kiara usually stream, the hours where there's usually only a few HoloJP streamers streaming. Secondly, more NijiEN streamers might just stretch our their current pool of viewers even further.

>>7404384
15k Gura, 10k Ina, 4K Kiara, 5k Ame and 6k Mori. This is me low balling the shit on Gura, Ame and Mori. That is 40k. They are going to need at least 15 girls with a min of 2k and 2 Selens to carry them. That means 4-5 more gens. I haven't even added Irys who gets by average 8-10k now. She's new so I'm not adding her yet. ENGen2 will be thing before Niji debuts 2 more gens.

>>7404693
That is going to be very very very very slow bleed that may or may not happen depending on the performance of ENGen2 who people have been waiting for. NijiEN needs to find another audience. Selen is doing better because she getting fps fags her way

>>7404859
>This is me low balling the shit on Gura, Ame and Mori.
LOL I know this is you low-balling, but Gura solo streams are at least 18k for weeks now and Ame still gets 7k playing Mario for the 6th time.

>>7404693
I never said they didn't have their own crowd of niji-only tribalists the same as holo does, but you're insane if you think a big part of that base isn't watching holo as well. And I'm not sure why you think more members does anything but stretch the niji viewerbase thinner. If they all start averaging 5-6k viewers then I'd say you have a point, but all I see are the same people who watched the first 3 now watching the next 3. Only difference is Selen pulling more views for FPS and Petra grabbing a bigger JP audience than the others.

>>7405074
I know. I was using their average viewers not their peak to make a low ball. Gura has been making bad choices with her games as well. It's a good thing though that her audience are easily hyped when they see a good stream put up on her sched. It's a good thing she still has ttrpg and the MC collab with Ame to save her numbers from that Dead Space stream. Crazy taxi will probably get min 15k

>>7405196
This is where I'll leave it up to Hololive scouting.
>Mori had no streaming experience and turned out to be a numbers massive hit.
>Kiara had no v-tubing experience, and despite her assorted self-inflicted debuffs and bad luck from YouTube, has been a boon for helping her genmates and acting as a bridge, to some extent for en/JP.
>Ame was the wildcard hire, someone with no big talent but clearly nailed the interview.
>Ina is now the premiere art V-tuber, going from an indie v-tubers holofan working on some mobile game stuff into what she has now + pretty decent art gig outside of Hololive.
>Gura, infrequent V-tuber streamerxshitposter turned Most-subbed pure V-tuber in the industry.
If theyanage to get even a fraction of the reach they did with gen1 and regain momentum, that'll be a success.

>>7405196
>not sure why you think more members does anything but stretch the niji viewerbase thinner.
I’m not that anon, but when Niji keeps getting more EN streamers, they may thin out a bit yes, but they also get more chances to hit on someone big, who can then further take viewers from Holo EN.

>>7403571
Finana is CST for sure. No one knows Petra and Selen's timezones for sure, but the best guesses are JST and PST respectively.

>>7405466
anything wouldve worked for gen1, all of them are weak vtubers in comparison to jp holos

Gura is now below
>Pekora
>Marine
>Miko
>Suisei
>Subaru
>Haato
>Ayame
>Kuzuha
>Leos
In CCV. She ain't even top 10 anymore. It's over chumbabies.

Most live viewers.
V-Tubers category.

Miko is pulling her usual number even in the worst time slot for JP. Is this 3d live buff?

>>7405581
The thing is they are more than just streamers. Gen1 is more or less a mascot at this point that Cover utilizes to it's fullest. They are slapped everywhere that is allowed. Mori getting big with her songs. Gura being the mainstream mascot like Aqua and Pekora. Kiara being the weeb ambassador(convention, tales of arise). Ina being used in merch(molly) and fundraisers(drawalot). Only Ame isn't being utilized fully. They all have distinct differences that makes them marketable. Streaming unironically is just the second most important thing they have to care about because it helps solidify the branding that Cover is cultivating for them

>>7402826
nice

>>7405889
where's pegora MC stream?

>>7405889
>gundou 14k
what

>>7405892
Ah the noon slot. Well, she was doing a HC Minecraft challenge and there were also no streams on the EN side, so buffs for novelty+MC+some EOPs tuning in because Miko is a great watch regardless of JP understanding.

>>7405987
Its playboard’s VTuber category, so it’s not too good yet. I post it because it’s simply more data.

>>7406018
If I'm not wrong, it was an FGO gacha stream right after the FGO 6th anniversary stream, which peaked at 230k viewers. People were hyped.

>>7406020
Plus 35p are seriously hardcore in their devotion to Miko. I wouldn't be surprised if Miko has among the highest percentage of viewers that only watch her.

Heard you guys don't compare VoD view count, why?
It has been used by youtube to calculate ads payouts and algorithm. And sponsors might also use it as a metric to choose the candidate...

>>7378385
Poormates…

>>7406521
Can't donate when she turned SC off 60% of the time.

>>7406480
The reason is because there is no real tracker for all vtubers's view per day. And if we are talking about views shouldn't we add Vsingers at this point and what do you include for vods? Just streams for a specific day or a week or a month? Or is the totality? Because a lot of vtubers still gets views from their old shit but not so much on recent ones.

>>7406480
Only the stupid dumbfucks don't take it into account, but VoD view count needs to be taken with a grain of salt due to the fact that 30 seconds of a 3 hour stream still counts as +1 VoD count, and you can end up boosting the VoD count multiple times a day by watching the same vid 2-3 times after a refresh.
CCV alone doesn't tell the whole story, but it's the EASIEST to compare head-to-head that avoids a lot of speculation. Hence it getting used to clobber each other like cavemen smashing each other with clubs.

>>7406480
Harder to get, not as visceral

>>7406697
>You can end up boosting the VoD Count multiple times a day by refereshing
Nope, it only counts you once.
You can however watch 30 secs every day and it's count as a new view.

>>7406018
Yearly anniversary gacha suffering is her thing

>>7406480
VOD needs too much time and works to calculate, so anons here just unga bunga with CCV because it's easier to get numbers. Maybe some hate it cuz the dumb shark gets good numbers with it.

>>7406796
Really? I was given bad info then that a person could count towards vod views on a video/song multiple times a day.

>>7406949
It was never proven.

Nijisanji June median views (number of streams)
>Mayuzumi 85,954 (1)
>Kuzuha 22,128 (27)
>Mito 15,607 (13)
>Toya 14,506 (9)
>Kanae 12,087 (43)
>Lize 10,668 (11)
>Gwelu 10,069 (18)

>Number of 10k+: 7
>10,000 - 19,999: 5
>20,000 - 29,999: 1
>30,000 - 30,999: 0
>40k+: 1

>>7407126
Nijisanji July median views (number of streams)
>Leos 25,537 (10)
>Kuzuha 23,873 (31)
>Maimoto 22,298 (8)
>Lauren 21,218 (9)
>Ibrahim 20,525 (24)
>Toya 20,108 (7)
>Lain 18,302 (9)
>Mito 16,550 (12)
>Ange 14,843 (11)
>Axia 13,586 (11)
>Lize 12,010 (11)

>Number of 10k+: 11
>10,000 - 19,999: 5
>20,000 - 29,999: 5
>30,000 - 30,999: 0
>40k+: 0

>>7381997
And we all know Coco is the Aqua of gen 2.

>>7407232
>>7407126
>Kuzuha 22,128 (27)
>Kuzuha 23,873 (31)
Surprised that Kuzuha's median views only barely went up despite having 3 pretty monstrous Koshien streams. Median does mean that it wasn't the peak used for the calculation. Most of his peaks happen around hour 1 of his 9 hour streams.

>Ibrahim 20,525 (24)
Minecraft autism is powerful indeed.

>Leos 25,537 (10)
>Lauren 21,218 (9)
>Lain 18,302 (9)
>Axia 13,586 (11)
Solid numbers still after 10 streams. Leos will probably keep getting 20k+ for a while, but I think Lain is already starting to dip to the 9-10k range. Axia will probably need to stop co-streaming with Lauren if he wants to improve his numbers, because Lauren consistently gets the bulk of the viewers over him.

>>7407232
>Maimoto 22,298 (8)
If people are curious about how Maimoto is so high despite not competing in Koshien this time, these are his 8 streams in July.

1) Solo Niji pachinko stream (12k peak)
2) 7 hour Niji pachinko mania with a shitton of nijis participating and over 1 mil VOD views (34k peak)
3) 4 hour Niji pachinko commentary stream (34k peak)
4) 4 Niji L4D2 collab (5k peak)
5) Koshien vol. 1, anaylzing the diff teams (22k peak)
6) Koshien vol. 2, anaylzing more teams + highlights from koshien streams from other Nijis (22k peak)
7) Koshien vol. 3, anaylzing more teams + highlight reel (21k peak)
8) Koshien vol 3.5, analyzing more teams (21k)

Worth noting that not every peak was the median of the stream, but damn he's still benefitting greatly from Koshien despite not being a coach this time.

>>7407232
How do we save Kanae Channel?

>>7407395
Leos is going to depend very heavily on game choices and restrictions he puts on himself. The more interesting it is, the better his views will get, but I wonder what his 'core' viewership will be for something more mundane.
Agree with the axia+Lauren thoughts too.
Lain holding a core of 7-9k people post debut would be a success imo, with any growth beyond that being really good.

>>7407395
I think Axia's content is a bit too 'cute' for your average FPS fag leading to his lower numbers.

>>7406949
I looked into this when Reflect first came out and its VOD viewcount was frozen. Youtube says that they only count X amount of views from 1 user in a day. They didn't disclose the number but if we assume 30 for example, then a user can at most contribute 30 views a day using your method. They probably implemented this to stop kpop fans from completely taking over.

>>7407859
Yeah, Lauren is the idiot comedian one that has wider appeal. And Axia has been doing pretty much everything else more than playing apex. Howerver, I noticed that even with the average viewership, people really like throwing money at him, but I will wait for at least a month after his monetization to judge that.

Marine knows her number game I can see her overtake Pekora in 2 months

>>7408057
it'd be hard for her to do that considering she'll be on semi break for the next month

>>7408069
it’s that true? I thought this month was her semi break one member anon said, her voice should be healed by next month.

>>7378638
Well remember, Gura makes quite a bit more via memberships

>>7408135
Well, yes, this month, I forget that the month rolled over.
either way she'll be gone for the next week and will be cutting down her streaming hours for a month or two so overtaking pekora won't happen

>>7408057
it's going to be a hard road. Marine needs to up her game streams first.

>>7405196
>Only difference is Selen pulling more views for FPS
Only for Apex
>Petra grabbing a bigger JP audience than the others
KEK

>>7405521
> get more chances to hit on someone big
Sure, but they're most likely getting people who are reliable and safe. If Elira had been the one joining EN 2 instead, she would've been much more popular than Kiara, Ame and Ina. Her personality is needed to tard wrangle people not finana. Pomu as well.

Have you guys seen any streams with ads on them? I checked out in incognito Gura, Roberu, Mito and some more on their vods and didn't get a single ad (I know on youtube livestreams you have full control over the type of ads and can turn them off completely if you so choose). As a youtube premium member, I'm now even questioning if that money even gets distributed to these streamer channels if they don't have ads enabled.

>>7409554
I know for a fact that when I browse on mobile I get ads on streams all the time.
Just making sure, you haven't done something like enable adblock in incognito mode?
Speaking of APEX, got IRyS coming up in an hour. Now this one's on her schedule, but I'm thinking she might get 7k again, only because she's actually going to be playing ranked and this isn't a guerilla stream.

>>7410042
She isn't really what we would call an apex pro, so no, it won't get much numbers. 7-8k would be my prediction

>>7410075
I love Irys and I'm staying up to watch her play but I don't think she would get high numbers today. She usually gets 2k waiting on her an hour before the stream. Now is only 900+ 45mins before the stream. This is such a difficult time to play in for her usual audience. Too late or too early. I'm guessing this would be 4k but I might be wrong. There won't anyone streaming besides Rushia and Rushia gets 10-15k during this timeslot

>Queen of ZenLoss playing lunchtime Hardcore Minecraft
Excellent numbers, specially for the time slot. Stream was a banger too and she's committing to do that everyday during August school vacations(?)

>>7408057
If you're judging this by the last month you have a skewed perception.
In the last month Marine has had 4 major personal events: 1 million 3dlive celebration, 3d live, 1.5 million subscribers and new outfit reveal. On top of that she's released a new cover. You could also argue that her break of 1 week became a buff once she returned.

In the same period Pekora has had 1 personal major event, her 2nd anniversary, which was nothing special in the end. Pekora has however had almost 2-3 streams daily, for both good and bad. Her average live viewers have suffered on some streams due to the schedule but the overall views are most likely up.

With all this Pekora still has a massive view count lead of the last 30 days of around 9 million. Marine does however have higher average and top live views on her streams during the period. More so then Pekora, but also a lot fewer streams.

If Pekora keeps the current pace she has or has some more major events I don't see Marine closing the gap overall without her either streaming more or making more skits(which seem to be popular). She most likely wont have any major event soon either.

>>7411382
>massive view count lead of the last 30 days of around 9 million
Pekora had some 7M views worth of old ARK and some other streams unprivated.
No disagreement with the rest of your post

pekora...

>>7410342
Irys is at 7k steady. Rushia now at 16k

>>7411667
This is such a useless metric because longer stream hours benefit more.

>>7411692
>This is such a useless metric because longer stream hours benefit more.
>see coco and marine

>>7411667
Beating everyone except for Jun in CCV is good enough. Pekora isn't insane enough to stream the number of hours to compete with fps_shaka and stylishnoob in hours. Kuzuha also has 40 more hours than she does, his 9-11 hour long Koshien and Pokemon Unite streams in effect here. Coco being 19th with 8 hours streamed and Marine being 20th with 37 hours streamed is actually insane.

On a separate note, jfc Chihiro streamed 330 hours in July... that's fps_shaka level. That's around 11 hrs a day on average.

>>7411692
I'm more impressed that Miko, Marine, Watame, Kanata and Coco are there as well. That's 6 including Pekora. So mant hologirls grinding. I don't know how August will look like for the Hologirls. I notice that there seems to be a lot of hours as of late where noone is actually streaming in JP.

>>7411762
see the first two.

>>7411561
That is true, my bad. In my memory they were earlier, but yea when I think about it again a 9 lead million view count difference would be mental with what they've put out during the month.
1-2 million is still decent considering.

>>7411667
>fps_shaka: 342 hours
Is here more than one person manning that channel?
>342 hours / 24 hours per day = 14.25 days
>342 hours / 31 days = 11 hours per day

>>7411692
>This is such a useless metric because longer stream hours benefit more.

Go no further than the 8th place
>330 hours
>5644 avg ccv

More than 10 hours per day, every day, to an audience of 6k

>>7411667
Bros how do we save pekora ch

>>7411847
thats avg hours on twitch.

>>7411795
desu apart from Pekora and Watame, no one really gets 100+ hours in Hololive. It's kind of a sign of how high the CCV for most holos are that they can compete with streamers that stream 50-100+ more hours than they do.

>>7411847
fps_shaka is just a mad man. This is one of his most viewed clips.
https://clips.twitch.tv/ShortIntelligentKeyboardBleedPurple

Dude passed out on stream from grinding and dropped like a log LMFAO

>>7411880
I want her to stay at 4-5hrs a day max. I don't want her to overwork herself

>>7411903
Do they buff their hours by streaming dead air (like bathing, eating)?

Even salarymen in Japan won't put 11 hours a day 7 days a week

>>7411880
be like jun or coco aka get high ccv. Jun is only 4m behind 2nd place and that guy has 297hours compare to jun 69hours

>>7411947
>or coco
You surely mean Marine. Coco got all her CCV in an one hour most watched stream in VTubing history, to beat that a chick would have to mix bleach and ammonia inside a ten and stream
>ASMR Mustard Gas suffocation challenge (no clickbait)

>>7410342
It's actually an atrocious time slot for an EN streamer, like some seriously intentional number killing. It's 2am PST/5am EST, which means no one in NA is watching unless you have a fucked up sleep schedule like me. It's a nice time for Irys in JST, but Calli, who is also in JST, never streams in this timeslot.

>>7411941
>Do they buff their hours by streaming dead air
yes

>>7412014
Inside a *tent*

>>7411905
>Dude passed out on stream from grinding and dropped like a log LMFAO

Mental, he's going to end up like that streamer that died during a 24 hour stream.

>>7412033
https://gameriv.com/japanese-streamer-fps_shaka-collapsed-while-streaming-apex-legends/

Here's a new article about it. He says it's happened 10+ times before... This is why Pekora shouldn't stream 340 hours a month.

IRyS doesn't even show up on jetri.

>>7411795
>I notice that there seems to be a lot of hours as of late where noone is actually streaming in JP.
There's been alot of meetings and voice training lessons recently, I assume this means that there's some big project going on behind the scenes.

>>7411667
Oh hey Ibrahim is there too

>>7412108
Jetri hasn't been updated in ages, everyone uses holodex now

>>7412022
It's no better for EU either, smack in the middle of the morning so it can't even be a "lunchtime watch".
And based on who was streaming with her (only Rushia) it is not primetime for Japan as well.

Maybe she is trying to carve herself a niche but the timing is not favorable at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_W5tctOZhE
New subscribers/viewers July version.

>>7412250
*views

>>7405658
Hey Pegora! Nacho fires

>>7386704
Play something that is not Dead Space 3

Here is the daily CCV updated chart including the whole month of July. Holostats "ate" some streams but it doesn't change the big picture.

Marine special events provided a "dead cat bounce" but with the trend should be for Hololive to "return to the mean" (after all the buffs from HoloEN costumes and Coco graduation) and the daily average settle around 8K like in the period between April and mid March.

Of course the girls can always make interesting stuff up (like the school they're building on Micra) and there are several special days incoming but it is not realistic to hold a company wide average of 10k like it happened between those special events mentioned above.

>>7412108
jetri is dead an unmaintained, the creator said to use holodex

>>7412490

>>7412534
did he?!

>>7412140
It's the 3D concert specials that each holo is doing or scheduling for anniversaries and birthdays. Everything is pre-recorded. It's a matter of scheduling them in between. Korone was with Okayu last month which probably meant she was doing Miko's 3D concert at that time.

>>7412536
The first one is the part where youtube changed how live viewers are counted, to much wailing and gnashing of teeth
The second one is the period following Coco's graduation announcement all the way up to her graduation concert.

>>7412536
I don't understand exactly what you are asking.

- The red line is the 14 days moving average.
- The first drop you point out is the YT algo change in Dec 02.
- Second drop you point is the return to the mean after Coco graduation buff wore out

The dotted red and blue lines are just a rough eyeballed floor for the lowest performing days because to measure an incline / recline you can't measure based on the best days, but on the average / worst days.

Starting with the next few charts I'll stop using "mean average" and start using "median average" to smooth out these outliers and peaks.

>>7412220
She's still getting 6.5k to 7k. She's going back 12PM JST starting tomorrow so it will be manageable. It's also fucking Apex. She's not exactly stellar at it. She getting carried hard. Good thing she's good natured and isn't paying attention to the hard back seaters. It's chill. Noel and Rushia are getting 14k each so JP viewers are watching.

>>7412740
And this is Rushia's normal streaming time anyway. 15k people are watching her touch grass in minecraft

Soulfags seem to have a point, it will never cease to be amazing that 15k people will congregate around Noel to hear her sing.
It is all in the name of having fun without any regards for anything else.

People harp a lot about "talent" this and "quality" that but nothing beats good-natured fun.
Noel-san, I kneel

>>7393138
People have no perspective at all. I almost wish there were some YouTube outage that forced HoloEN to use Twitch for a while just to see what the numbers would be. Watching everyone scramble for raids with the novelty would pull monstrous numbers I’m guessing. Would also let us make some yt vs Twitch comparisons though it’s pretty clear by now for some reason yt undercounts.

>>7393138
Remember to look at indie and small company numbers every once in a while to prevent holorot from setting in

>>7412250
Subscribers/views/subscribers(under 100k at the start of the month)/views(under 100k at the start of the month)
No idea whether it counts the returned holocaust views or not tho

>>7412826
Pekora's first watchalong stream with 25k (?) or so people had her on the front page for most popular streams.

>MMD models for Gen5 plus Marine, Kanata and Watame just got released
That will surely increase the fan work for these, which usually is a way to increase popularity for the members.

I still remember when Haachama was dabbling around her model, some of her funniest things mid last year came from either her or other Haaton messing with her model

Once again live views are just a prelude of what's to come

>>7412890
25k would put in the "Top Viewing Worldwide" any day of the week too.
Here is the current one

>>7412952
Chumbuds don't watch collabs, whats new?

>>7412970
No, that's not what's is pointed out here.
Ina had more live views, but Gura is now growing in vod views...
So timezones do matter.

>>7412921
I will keep a close eye on iwara

>>7412952
nigger we've been through this exact same shit in this very thread, fuck off

>>7412952
>3m subs
>only 203k

>>7412890
Yea.....the tabbed out culling by YT definitely hurts watchalongs a ton, since who-the-fuck keeps the stream as the main focus in that?
Also she no doubt got a novelty boost since that was her first stream on twitch, but that's at least 5x what she'd get on a watchalong on YT.
I can only speculate that this was meant to crack down on 'multi-stream rep farming' so that YT could try and gauge how many 'actual people' there were watching at a given time.

>>7411903
Jesus Christ. Vtubers might not reach the peaks top Twitch streamers do but making what they do after doing whatever for 2-3 hours a day seems like a good deal in comparison. Then there’s Ayame. I’d love to see a metric of revenue/hour streamed. She has to be the top of that list.

>>7412968
If for some reason all the Holos migrated to twitch, I wonder how twitch staff would react to their front page being taken over by vtubers.

>>7413077
>I wonder how twitch staff would react to their front page being taken over by vtubers.
Exactly like they reacted with it being taken over by thots using Twitch as a springboard to their onlyfans
>Make rules up on the spot to nerf them away from the general audience

>>7413075
Thing to remember is that most of these streamers JUST stream. Streaming is their whole day, they don't do things outside of it like corporate vtubers.
Corporate vtubers are busy with sponsorships, events, concerts, music production and whatnot.
Hard to grind hours (12+ hours a day 7 days a week) like the top Twitch streamers when you have other obligations.

>>7413077
Off-topic for numbers (but we're at bumplimit anyways), twitch staff would no doubt be greatly annoyed and implement some sort of way to segregate them from the rest of the site.
Also, if you think YTchat is bad at times, twitch chat would be like comparing a garbage dump to a nuclear wasteland. They'd pretty much have to keep it in sub-only mode in twitch (equiv to members-only) for almost everything.

>>7413117
>>7413178
Twitch already has a vtuber tag, they clearly aren't too miffed by the explosion of vtubers on their platform.

>>7413205
They haven't taken over the front page though, which is what my hypothetical situation is implying.

>>7413031
It's not even 12h yet...

>>7413170
I totally believe that some Holos are very busy behind the scenes. Mori’s music and TTRPG alone must be a massive time suck. Girls preparing for concerts, etc. DYRB Gura is spending 8 hours a day doing that shit? Really?

It’s interesting that HoloEN is so successful and they are all making such good money, you can argue that they all are a little disincentivized to work hard unless it’s something they are personally passionate about. Not having regular schedules. Cancelling streams. Not troubleshooting games beforehand. Not having backup gear. Just being flakey/scuffed in general. The only one who is consistently professional about streaming specifically I’d argue is Ina, and she seems to be reaping considerable benefits from it. And that’s fine, I’m happy they are in a place where they really don’t have to scrape for a few thousand bucks here or there. But it is mildly frustrating.

>>7413317
>they all are a little disincentivized to work hard unless it’s something they are personally passionate about
That's everybody. Very few people are like Ina and Pekora with impeccable work ethic.
Most people, if their pay is comfortable even in a low level of grind, will only go above and beyond for the things that tickles their funny boxes

Lain's first time singing getting 19k now but would probably decline after this. Scuffed mic & average voice

>>7413317
>Not having regular schedules.
Only HoloENs and HoloIDs have schedules. HoloJPs rarely put out any schedules. Many don't even know if they're streaming that night until a few hours before.

>Cancelling streams.
Shit happens. Most streams are postponed rather than cancelled and replaced with something else in the meantime.

>Not troubleshooting games beforehand.
Only applies to Calli in the past honestly. Most of the girls test their games at least once before streaming, even Gura.

>Not having backup gear.
Not a necessary part of their job at all. Most people don't have a spare GPU lying around. Even if their PC breaks down, most have a laptop to do basic streams from.

>Just being flakey/scuffed in general.
That's just the personalities of HoloEN. Ame and Gura live unhealthy lifestyles so they give off the impression of someone who doesn't have their life together. Ina also has a horribly unhealthy lifestyle, but she's been a professional long enough to follow through her work commitments. Calli sleeps 3 hours most nights so nuff said. Only Kiara has any semblance of a decent lifestyle, which probably reflects in how she's always high energy during her streams.
You can't expect Amelia "when I'm not streamin', I just like lie around and be a potato" Watson to not have some stream scuff or Gwar "I'm radio silent on all social media once I'm offstream" Gura to not be flakey. Can it be improved? Sure, but it's a personality trait of theirs that isn't easily fixed.

>>7413653
>Not a necessary part of their job at all.
Streaming is literally their job

>>7413683
Having backup gear, in this case a spare GPU or motherboard when their hard goes to shit, is not a necessary part of their job. Most of them have weaker PCs/laptops to stream from, so in that sense, they do have backup gear.

>>7406480
>>7388960

>>7413574
Here I thought she'd be a marine, but she was a lesser noel

>>7413709
>>7413653
>>7413683
Laptop is a good alternative to keep online.

Buying a spare GPU/Motherboard or other parts are unnecessary and waste of resource. We all know manufacturers frequently upgrade their stuff. And these items devalue regardless if unused, it's a loss.

It's only bad right now (in terms of how fast they can have replacement) due to the pandemic strained supply chain.

>>7406949
if you refresh (or skip through) the same long video multiple times, it only adds to your watch total. If you complete the total length in watched time, then it starts counting as a second view.

>>7413653
>Only HoloENs and HoloIDs have schedules. HoloJPs rarely put out any schedules
some still do, some used to do it but had to give up since idol work took so much more of their time

>>7413574
>>7413787
I kept reading on vtuber-matome that she's compared to Marine. Like where exactly? color, hairstyle?

The only sad thing about her design is that shark plushie, I haven't got mine yet.

>>7413574
>>7413787

Didn’t you fags say she’ll decline after the collab with the boys? You faggots are utterly retarded.

If it’s anyone who’s on a decline, it’s axia

>>7413890
Color, age, "kimitachi", zatsudans.
They are all surface-level though - she isn't as good a singer as Marine, and her zatsudan style is very different.

>>7413890
kimitachi
Yes, it's that retarded.

Pekora is, as usual, very strong but Botan numbers are always good in collabs. What's her secret?

>>7413905
To be fair, it's really only one anon who keeps spamming that she's retarded for collabing with males and she's doomed to decline heavily sooner or later. He's obviously either a baiter or a retard so most people just ignore him. There's always a few that bite and shit up the thread tho.

tower...

>>7413890
vtuber-matome is basically just a blog version of that /vt/ takes twitter account, it's basically worthless.

>>7413939
She meshes really well with just about everyone, kinda like Marine whenever she's in a collab with someone everyone tunes in just to see the interactions.

>>7413967
These are very good numbers for Towa

>>7413939
It also helps that she's competent when it comes to her ability to game, so when she's fucking around it's for fun and not because she doesn't know what she's doing. Usually.

>>7413939
For this collab, it's most likely lack of competition. The other holostreams are:
- Rushia is reading superchats
- Noel is singing to ~13k
And that's it. Probably the reason why Pekora and Towa are getting very good numbers too.

They're playing a FPS game and a game that Botan's played before, so she will most likely have the best gameplay or be the one in the lead.

>>7413967
8.8k is way above Towa's average viewcount.
https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/towa

>>7413939
The role-play is making the session interesting for everyone. Retention is high.

>>7414067
Only 2 streams at the 21:00 slot too. It's a pretty slow day for holoJP today.

>>7413905
Nah, am not the one saying she'll decline after the collab. If anything, Leos was the one tanking with his 5 fps gameplay. Anyway, she's already showing signs of declining. People were anticipating her first karaoke to see if it was good. I tagged along to to see if she could sing, but her mic was shitty and her voice was so-so. It was pretty underwhelming honestly.

>>7414222
Monday and last week was pretty hectic - a lot of streams. Even I was exhausted.

Hololive on the cover of Weekly Young Jump! magazine

They surely are amping up their exposure outside the usual circles.

>>7414232
>Leos was the one tanking with his 5 fps gameplay.
So you’re a complete retard, holy shit

>>7414270
Yea, we're pretty calm for big events until.....this Saturday.
https://hololive.wiki/wiki/File:Calendar_-_08_August.png
A lot of events happening in the 2nd week of August, with Aqua's Anniversary Live probably being the biggest event coming up.

>>7414366
Pekora got interviewed by them on their last issue regarding Dragon Quest.

>>7413574
$5k in superchats for just a regular stream is very good for a Niji female, she's going places for sure

>>7414366
Hololive really is pretty much mainstream now, huh?

>>7414508
Gura taco bell ad only cements it, While they've made dodgy decisions they were quick to set up the EN/ID compared to others and benefited massively.

>>7414508
Nah, that magazine is for weebs. What Hololive is trying is to leave the "rabbit hole" status and join the rest of the "geek / otaku" regular non mainstream niches.

>>7414563
>WSJ is only for weebs.
Hahaha no.

>>7414577
Not "only" for weebs but mainstream in Japan is something completely else.