/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>73856181
absolutely,specially knowing that those holomem are still streaming their alt normally too,the victim of "le talent freedom"

she doesn't want to look at your shitty memes, numberredditor
you're the one who desperately wants her back

>shitskin prime time

>>73856359
>>73856377
What's up with Ksonfags being so fucking insecure they go rabbit on every single baits
Just go enjoy your fleshie whore you retards

She's doing great on her own things, no need to compare such distinct contents.
GWS op

>>73856181
I regret Yagoo ever letting her join, thanks to Kson it's becoming mroe normalized to just be a twitch thot who sometimes uses an anime avatar. She unironically killed vtubing.

Mahjong SOVL is better than whatever the holowhores are doing.

>>73856568
It's thanks to kson that you even know VTubers exist

>>73856572
>chinese game
>soul

>>73856464
I dunno how people can spin this kind of argument without their brain leaking out of their ears. Being sub 1k when she used to be solid 5-10k as a Holo, and was pretty reliably a couple K as Kson starting out, and could reach like 50k for collabs and events as Coco? It's like going "yeah the stock price for this company collapsed but the company valuation is still better than 99% of other companies out there, cope" - the point isn't to compare Google to a lemonade stand, it's to compare how Google was doing now vs back then and the back-then Coco is a fucking titan compared to Kson now. Le talent freeeeduuuum right.

>>73856629
N, it was Migo going viral.

>>73856568
kson is the definition of what a vtuber is.

>>73856629
Kizuna Ai*
Coco was an occasional webm in the shitpost channel of my discord server of choice

>>73856310
Talent freedom is great. The issue here is that she didn't realize how circumstantial her success was and she lacks the talent to actually utilize this freedom.

>>73856629
Nta, but i got into vtubing through kizuna ai, and akari mirai. So, no kson only had to do with adding more western whores to an already near oversaturated industry and muddying the waters more.

>>73856181
>HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH
>HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH
>HAHAHHAHA
>but no seriously do you think she REGRETS IT LMAOOOOOOOOOo
nah, picrel tho? Yeah

>>73856846
All she had to do was not be a menhera

>>73856568
they hated him for he told the truth

i think this board should be in read-only mode during island hours, would solve a lot of problems

>>73856629
somewhat, a friend was having a moment of righteous fury when Coco and Haato got chink'd wich led me to look into what he's all about.
I became a Haaton very fast

>>73856940
good thing it’s europe hours right now

>>73856972
why do you never capitalize the first letter in your posts ernoul?

>>73856940
How many extra measures need to be taken so your opinion has no detractors?

>>73856181
honestly i love kson and have been watching her even before hololive but im not gonna sit down and watch her 2 hours of ranking up in mahjong. i dont even do that for my kamioshi either

>>73856996
the island is britain and it should be sunk

>>73857012
to trigger your ocd. yes specifically yours alone. i will never touch the caps LocK

There isn’t a single holomem who would be bigger than kson if they left hololive.

>>73857117
could have iq test questions instead of the captcha, would keep most of you people out

>>73857210
What happens when it doesn’t?

I'm honestly convinced that Cover would let her return if she asked. So no, I don't think she regrets it.

>>73856629
>he thinks his whore is more important than miko house fire

>>73857180
if by "not a single one" you mean "like more than half of them if not 3/4ths" then sure. it's not hard at all to be bigger than kson now. twitch retards seem to lose the forest for the trees and not comprehend top holos routinely get like 30-50,000 viewers. if they lose 90% of that, they'd still be bigger than kson. low-mid tier holos are like 5-10k range.. which was about what kson was herself as Coco for her average yakuza or zatsu streams.

>>73857244
I don't think she'll ever come back unless the management and staff members that kept sabotaging her were 100% gone.

>>73856181
Doesn't Kson stream primarily on twitch? And imagine comparing 6 person collab to solo stream

>>73856572
But that's Riichi City.

>>73857243
i sincerely doubt any bvtmfag has over 100 iq

>>73856181
Wasn't the whole point off her leaving was due to offscreen working conditions becoming too untenable? Since when did numbers became the center of the narrative?

>CAPTCHA: S4M0A

>>73857324
Still better than what Koyori and the others were playing on. It honestly looked like a PS2-era mahjong game.

>>73857356
It's just a mahjong soul bootleg since she isn't allowed to play it due to bugmen.

>>73856629
Not really.

>>73857382
Then next time they should just play on this one that Kson is playing on. It looks practically the same as mahjong soul.

>>73857335
numberpags have invented a narrative where she left because she thought she could get more nooooooombers/money on her own (despite her saying the opposite) and also she tried to poach all the holos to join vshojo (which she owns) because she is a greedy western haram CIA whore who wants to destroy hololive or whatever

>>73857437
bro lets put the console wars aside and let me ask you a real question. do you really want your oshis to be playing mahjong? its boring as hell. being restricted to play this is a blessing

>>73856743
none of that matters in the long run. only net revenue truly matters

>>73856629
No, lmao.
Everyone knows its thanks to:
>Miko's saying nigga in gta5
>Matsuri's bandaid story
>Fubuki's meme clips going viral
>Korone's clips getting animated and going viral
>Holomyth being a massive success despite all the doubts about EN vtubers
The only reason you overrate Coco was because she acknowledge you faggots existed by interacting with you on reddit

>>73857491
I'm pretty sure mahjong is entertaining if you know how to play. It'd be like asking if you want your oshi to play X any game that seems boring unless you understand what's going on.

>>73856426
This guy is right. I don't understand why you ksonfags are easily baited by this kind of thread. I'm actually surprised there's still no monkey AI image posted yet

>>73857572
do you understand mahjong anon? lets be fucking honest here

>>73857491
Mahjong owns

>>73856629
I miss typed Korone instead of Korona

>>73857670
I can see that it's practically like poker when they reach their "showdown" moments and they see who's gonna end up winning.

>>73856181

Some people are happy not working for the big corpos though...

>>73857587
nah thats not me (us?) people who are biting such a blatant bait is your garden variety catalogfag. ive seen far worse shit during the taiwan incident. plus i still watch some holos like miko and kanataso so i really dont mind

>>73856629
I never see anyone call Kson their oshi just saying

>>73856629
Seriously, is there anyone who knows vtubers through kson? I highly doubt it. Most people learned about it through kizuna ai, miko, korone, myth.

>>73856629
no sorry I discovered Kizuna the day she debuted, before vtubing was done as a livestream.

>>73856181
Imagine if the other talents that Kson was trying to coax into graduating and becoming indie like her actually left hololive.
I bet they felt like they dodged a bullet

>>73856181
Every Hololive member will become a 3view shitter after graduation. No exceptions

>>73857838
Myth and council for me

>>73856181
That's Miko and that's a collab. Miko could easily get 30k on a solo soul caliber stream. At least use someone on the same level to be fair. Aki right now has 6.4k on a VCR rust stream.

>>73856890
That's like asking a fish not to swim.

>>73856181
Not even a little.

>>73856181
NijiEN deflection thread.

>>73857838
It's the redditors pushing the vtuber jesus narrative.
If you ask someone who got into vtubing back in late 2020-2021 most of their answer are gonna be from clips by Miko, Korone, Fubuki, and Pekora. Maybe myth too since Gura's debut was massive.
The asacoco thing was only something someone would find out once they were in the rabbit hole.

>>73856629
doog playing doom

>>73858157
definitely Gura no joke

>>73856426
>they go rabbit on every single baits
eigo umai

>>73857510
I only saw 1 of those things you listed, what got me into vtubing was Rushia and Coco.

>>73857275
So far every ex-holo loses most of their box audience, even the likes of Pekora and Marine would be below 5k viewers at best within a year of being an indie once they left Hololive.

>>73856629

>>73856745
>>73856777
These two were it for me. Watching Kizuna clips then Miko showing up in my recommendations.

>>73857180
Not true. Kson's solo content had shit views even back in hololive. She only gets views when coomer pandering and/or spouting shit for shock value when collabing. Leaving hololive was an incredibly stupid decision in the long term. She needed access to the hololive collab network more than hololive needed her.
Certain holos would destroy her as indies because they don't rely on collabs and coomer pandering to stay relevant. Don't get me wrong, it still wouldn't be worth it for them to leave. Kson demonstrated that the hololive collab network alone is worth the cut they get.

>>73856629
I don't know if it counts, but I was in that /a/ thread like 10 years ago where the OP posted a webm of himself cumming while using a proto live2d avatar. So erm um uh akchually... you could say I'm one of the oldest of the oldfags.

I also used to watch Kizuna Ai in her prime off and on, though it wasn't until 2019 and hololive that I really got into vtubing as a hobby

>>73858247
Rushia, Coco, Matsuri, Suisei, Ayame, and Aqua could be included too, but those I mentioned were the ones with the most popular clips.
From what I remember, Gura, Korone, Fubuki, and Miko's clips were the ones that I often see outside of the vtuber community.

>>73856629
i watched 4 girls imitating pikachu while playing UNO

>>73856629
this was true 3 years ago but it definitely isn't true for modern holofags

>>73858400
I will give Kson this, she was the perfect western/hafu foil for HoloJP members to bounce off for content. Every single HoloEN member is too deferential and don't have the balls necessary to push back. People may hate her now but I guarantee many would quietly admit to wanting her back in a new york minute for the collab content.

>only one of them is in a mainstream game like yakuza

>>73857159
pipe down latinx

>>73857719
go back

>>73857503
oh yeah, looking back at your career and realizing the only successful streams you had were the ones where you twerked or lesbian kissed a porn actress doesn't matter

>>73856181
Come on there was a bug in youtube vie-
>miko numbers on left

>>73856181
>kson is a 3view now
ooooof, watch the number of flesh streams increase to attract the saars audience, they're already more popular than her vtuber streams since nobody cares about her content and just want to fuck her lol

>>73858665
Not really, name 3, no, 1 viral Coco clip. Newcomers who started at holo in the early days came in largely through clips of Fubuki, Miko, Matsuri. All Coco did was pander to them with reddit streams, which you'd have to be on the hololive reddit already to be interested.

>>73856181
>collab with 6 hololive members
>on Mikos channel, one of the companies biggest, most popular girls who gets the most views
>vs some random stream
Don't use Miko to shitpost you bastard.
I don't watch Kson as I don't like her content but Kson very clearly does like what she is doing and she couldn't do it in hololive.

Holo vs former holo bait thread

>>73859288
>Not really, name 3, no, 1 viral Coco clip.
the telephone game

>>73859322
She was too arrogant and thought her retarded ideas were too good to give up and quit over them, instead of being blocked because they're retarded shit that would've hurt the hololive brand.

>>73859288
>name 3, no, 1 viral Coco clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDm8iOhxQE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2rmk4kYkts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-JtxsH2v34

>>73859414
You mean this? A group collab, hosted by Haachama, and only 673k views over 4 years? That's a "viral Coco clip" according to you?

Why would Kson want sour grapes?

>>73859506
Only 1 of those could be considered viral based on the views, and given the content of the clip I'd say it's more likely watched by people who already knew her rather than something funny that would draw in new viewers.

>>73856181
I mean, if it truly wasn't her cup of coffee, good for her. Even if you pull like a couple of thousand dabloons a month, being in an "idol" company is work. A lot of work.
Asacoco was axed by management, wasn't it? It was a kind of fun personal project of her before the Taiwan yab, so it getting the boot must have taken a toll on her, on top of the zhangs swarming around Hololive.

Looking back, her memes and in-jokes weren't that funny. They are a bit forced. But that was before EN. Someone from the place of idols talked to us in a language we could understand. But I do treasure what time I saw her as Coco.

All in all, I hope she's doing all right. As long as she is happier with her audience now than she was before. I think she got so much money saved over her work in Holo she doesn't need to really think about getting it anymore. Nor the numbers. I think for someone who is doing streaming for fun 4views is enough chat messages to interact and not feel like you are talking to the 10 same people.

As long as she is happy.

>>73859613
she is the grapes and you are the fox, muhammed

>>73859636
If she has any sort of intelligence she would've invested her money in a fund and live off the interest forever. But she still does things to blatantly pander to viewers like fan service, so either she was dumb and blew it or she enjoys manufactured attention over "beeing urself".

>>73859511
yes absolutely. 673k views when most holos were under 100k subs and had a couple thousand viewers per stream. that was a lot 4 years ago. also that's not even the most popular version of that clip. it had a full animation from hololive moments.

>>73859767
Why are you implying it got 673k views some point 4 years ago then zero views afterwards?

>>73859813
why are you trying to start an irrelevant argument instead of conceding

Kson is none more than "a woman whose career has been ruined by Twitch culture".
It's quite embarrassing that 2 years ago she was talking so much about how great Twitch was, yet she went back to Youtube.

>>73859615
God you are insufferable, how many asterisks and goal posts you gonna move so that you are always right?

>>73859893
How is it irrelevant? You're saying 673k views is considered a lot 4 years ago, as if that video magically instantly gained 673k 4 years ago to satisfy your claim and then magically never gained any more views for it to have stayed at 673k to this day after 4 years. Just don't reply if you have no arguments left, that way you can pretend you simply closed the thread and didn't see the post that btfo you.

Like with all who left hololive because of "jp corpo autism" and "talent freedom". I'm talking at Magni and Vesper and kson.
They will all eventually regret leaving holo.
If they were smart, they could've just coasted, doing bare minimum, earned all that money, while doing shit they actually want to do using their PL.

>>73859911
Simon?

>>73859951
I'm still within the scope of the original argument though, which is "Coco drew in new vtuber viewers". You're the one trying to dodge the argument right now.

>>73859911
She only said that back when twitch gave you a larger cut than youtube did (if you were a partner), which is no longer the case.
All if her decisions are based on what gets gets her the most money in the short term. Which always ends up fucking her in the long term.

>>73859959
it's irrelevant because that wasn't even the most popular clip. one with more views was deleted 3 years ago.

>>73859989
I know that fag vesper is on the verge of falling to 2view status now. Retard really thought his "unrestricted" content was brilliant and holo was suppressing his genius or some shit kek.

reading all these fanfiction posts by scorned r/hololive fags is pretty funny lmao

>>73860091
Simon samefagging?

>>73859989
Kson is rich as fuck and literally just coasts doing whatever she feels like doing.

>>73859951
>>73860028
2 gay nerds fighting

>>73860094
It's not irrelevant because you're wrong, and you seem to have no excuses for that idiotic statement. And even if I humor your other (sourceless) claim, why are you saying Coco takes all the credit for it? She wasn't the host and there were a bunch of others in the clip.

>>73859765
Some amount of attention seeking is basically a requirement for work in entertainment. Your job is to draw in the gaze of the public, some intuitive connection to it feeling nice is a nice thing to have. You don't exactly hire frigid bitches to star in porn.
And besides, who from talents is as responsible with their money as you want them to be? I think she's the average in that regard - she spent like $10k on a fucking bed (to be fair it is a comfy bed as Kanata and Suisei(?) testified, but 10 fucking thousand bucks this is how much a car costs here lmao). A relatively young lass comes into a lot of money really fast and spends it less than responsively - a tale as old as time.

>>73860138
>the party that came out better is "scorned"
lol what is this cope?

>>73860156
> was rich
Fixed that for you

>>73860163
is a newfag who doesn't even know about hololive moments seriously arguing about something from before his time that he knows nothing about

>>73860223
>came out better
>seething for 3 years because she won't look at your memes anymore

>>73860220
But the point is that if she was set for life then she wouldn't need to seek attention. Someone who fits that bill for example is asmongold, who literally streams for free now because he just enjoys it. So either kson isn't set for life (or just has a lavish lifestyle that needs continuous funding) or she gets off to pandering to simps by flashing her ass or pretending to be a lesbian or whatever.

>>73860301
>laughing at a loser is "seething"
is that how you coped when you were getting bullied in school?

>>73860156
Kson is surgeon "rich" at best. She doesn't have enough money to maintain her lifestyle for the rest of her life. Her career will end as soon as her current fanbase can't get hard to her anymore. Which is probably 5 years from now or less. She isn't young.

>>73860291
I know about that privated chink channel, I'm saying I don't remember every clip's views off the top of my head and it can't be verified how many views it had (I assume you would've posted it already if you had an ancient screenshot). So are you going to actually respond to my question now or try weasel your way out again?

>>73860327
asmongold runs a business

She never actually had good numbers for solo content. She is more of a collab content creator that need to bounce off others.

>>73860358
they put her in two installments of her favorite game franchise
you eat rotten meat boiled in a trash bag for dinner

>>73860423
You think he's actually running anything rather than just signing something when he needs to?

>>73856359
But she continued doing the meme streams even after holo lmao. She even did the hacky "florida man memes" stream.

>>73860449
what does that have to do with your claim that anyone is seething at her and wishes she was still doing reddit reviews? starting to look like projection now, calm down cuck

>>73860533
sorry i insulted your culture's diverse cuisine

>>73860549
>no arguments left
I accept your concession, sorry you weren't able to defend your ugly whore

So kson is /vt/'s ex that they aren't over after like 3 years, just like Nyanners before her
No wonder Cover stock is in freefall

>>73860422
ok well just so you know you are talking to someone who was here 4 years ago and remembers how many views some popular clips had because i was watching them. also you can check, that one had 400k views in the first year:https://web.archive.org/web/20210411211613/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw3JrbS4nV0
as a rule of thumb every video gets most of its views when it's new. exceptions to that are very rare.

>>73860441
This, and she was the best at it as well.

>>73860327
Pandering to virgins, fanservice and flashing of body parts could entirely be for attention-seeking, not money. Although you are probably right - you get too used to the lavish lifestyle when you indulge in it, so you need more money.
Kaigai-niki, who will come to Japan and teach her financial responsibility with their bodies

>>73856815
>Talent freedom is great. The issue here is that she didn't realize how circumstantial her success was and she lacks the talent to actually utilize this freedom.
It is telling she immediately went the e-thot route.

>>73860615
I'll make this easy for you so you can't weasel your way out of it. Last chance, answer my question >>73860163
>why are you saying Coco takes all the credit for it? She wasn't the host and there were a bunch of others in the clip.
Even in that link you provided, Coco is very rarely mentioned in the comments and people are talking more about the other members. So tell me why you attribute everything to Coco?

>>73856181
she was boring then and she is boring now... her channel was already dying prior to graduating..

>>73860698
You guys do realize before she got into hololive and even during her time with the company she did bayonetta and tifa cosplays right? She knows she is hot and isn't ashamed to show it. Anyone criticizing her career choice are little better than the ugly art class bitches in high school whispering about 'that whore cheerleader in the short skirt'.

>>73860743
It was dying after a year of Cover squeezing her into a box and limiting her creative control due to her ideas being too wild for corporate sponsors.

>>73860729
the more popular clip was more coco focused. i was ignoring that point because it's extremely retarded because nearly every early viral hololive clip involved multiple people. that's like hololive's whole gimmick, the group thing. it's like arguing that neighbor wars isn't an aqua clip because shion is in it. the funny thing was facilitated by coco so i would attribute it to her.

>>73860847
She never even reached 5view status. She was always mid tier, well before her yab.

>>73856181
> Her yab within hololive made them avoid chimk market which is a positive in the end.
> Her leaving is also good when seeing it from the perspective of making sure other talents aren't implicated further.
> The twitch culture influencing vtubing culture is just what get's me as they mix flesh streams and vtubing streams , I just don't like those people preaching their way is superior and pure vtuber watchers are just creeps or unicorns. It's so half assed. But I'll guess the numbers shows the result of such actions.
Pure vtubing streams cannot exist outside a corpo since sooner or later they would need to show their faces to their fans, and they don't have the excuse of being obligated to not show their faces by a corpo.

>>73860847
What creative thing is she doing now? I only hear about her being extreme lesbian and goonerbaiting, I dont expect much but Im genuinely curious

>>73860889
One of the earliest viral clips on that chink channel was Matsuri raging at that mario cat game, so no, you are ignorant or lying, and combined with more sourceless claims I find my willingness to take you seriously waning.

>>73856629
Lol. Lmao even.

>>73860790
There's a giant difference between cosplaying and the outright coomer pandering she's doing now.
I have seen every part of her body except for her pussy and nipples. This includes her tits minus nipples and the contours of her anus. Doesn't take a genius to figure out it's only matter of time until I see the rest but she'll probably be too old.

>>73856181
>Coco left because of Chinese antis. She has no beef with hololive whatsoever anon grow up.

>>73861015
>This includes her tits minus nipples and the contours of her anus.
isn't it hypocritical to be mad at coomers but also write your own fanfiction about her body

>>73860958
>most are collabs
>well one of them wasn't so i win
nice argument

>>73861099
>She has no beef with hololive whatsoever
She publicly went on a rant which implied that some hololive members hate their fans. She's one of those bitchy women who will act friendly on the surface while seething internally and wishing to bring you down indirectly.

>>73861110
Are you trying to bait me into linking the streams where she bends over in nothing but a shirt/miniskirt and a tiny thong so you can get me banned?
Just open her most popular streams and click on the peak in the search bar. You'll see her underboob or shitter sooner or later.

>>73861172
And do you have a source for "most" being collabs? Or is it just another delusion like "Coco takes all the credit for a group collab when she didn't host it and the comments aren't even talking about her"?

>>73857510
Add pikamee and tomoshika killing da ho

>>73861267
yea you can just look at the channel

>IsRael

>>73861235
And if I open any Marine stream and look for most popular moment it is probably when she is saying vile lewd shit or showing off her L2D model. Give it time and any of the Hololive girls in a few years will be doing similar as Kson.

>>73861235
there's only one stream where she bends over in a thong and she only left it up because nothing was visible.

>>73861282
Now you're implying that single chink channel was responsible for all early holo clips? And it only had 6 vids?

It's a good number for an ex-Twitch whore.

>>73861384

>>73856629
first was miku saying nigger on /pol/

>>73861282
Holy shit I just looked it up and I remember a year ago even after all this time they still had the channel name, community posts and logo and all. I guess the ass-blasted chinks decided to give one last middle finger to us all on the way out KEK
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK4adPCSc8U1mhaJYbzZ-7w

>>73861399
How is it goalpost moving? You clearly said most early clips were collabs, then posted 6 videos from a single channel as your evidence. Questioning your moronic reasoning is wrong now? And are you ever going to answer my question of why you attribute that phone game clip to Coco?

>>73861343
>Didn't happen
>It takes 5 seconds to find it
>Ok it did happen but the rest of Hololive will also do it
First of all, the other hololembers aren't stupid and won't fuck off for extremely short term profits. Second of all, nice goalpost moving.

>>73861484
>One of the earliest viral clips on that chink channel was Matsuri raging at that mario cat game, so no, you are ignorant or lying
you wrote this about that single channel

>>73861343
You obviously don't even watch Marine, because she herself has made statements that infer your last cope is impossible under hololive.

>>73861221
link?

>>73856629
I learned about vtubers when Mirai Akari debuted.

>>73861545
And? I wasn't making a sweeping claim about the clipping scene like you are, I was directly making a targeted rebuttal at your own claim. And you avoided my question yet again, amazing. Seems pretty clear to me at this point that you're intentionally disingenuous, sadly not in a trolling way but a stubborn shill way. I think we're done here now.

>>73861221
>some hololive members hate their fans
How can you say that isn't true after the stunt Ayame just pulled

>>73861015
>the contours of her anus
what do i google to find this?

>>73861567
Can't be bothered finding it so just look up the vid of pic related if you want the whole thing.

>>73861627
He saw it in a dream.

>>73861624
Because the context of them hating their fans, according to her, is that they feel like oppressed slaves who can't do what they want because they're held hostage. Meanwhile, Ayame clearly does whatever the fuck she wants, and even if you consider it contempt that's certainly not the oppressed kind.

>>73856181
Kson is overrated

> B-but she brought Holo to kaigainikis
No. Korone and Fubuki did that first with their memes like Beat up pineapple and eekum bokum
> B-but she spoke English
Haachama already did first
> B-but she founded HoloEN
HoloEN were already planned because of high EN demand. She may have pushed the idea further but it was not like Yagoo hadn't thought of that beforehand, and she had no involvement in audition process
> B-but she was popular
She was only popular after getting Taiwan drama because of combination of hate-watchers and anti-chink fans. Ask anyone here, most only knew her because she pissed China off
> B-but she blew Reddit up
And that was the worst mistake she ever made to the community

The only credit I can give to her is that she pressured Cover into treating talents better by leaving the company, and Cover was not retarded enough to "fail her". Other than that, content-wise, she was mid who was better-suited as Holo manager, and not some kind of "VTubing goddess" like Redditards worship so much

>>73861795
>actually taking catalog bait seriously

>>73861795
>The only credit I can give to her is that she pressured Cover into treating talents better by leaving the company
How can you say that when they abandoned the entirety of China for her, instead of forcing her to apologize? Seems to me that they were always talent-first (barring legal/contract breaches causing terminations).

>>73861865
they abandoned china because it didn't make much money and was definitely not going to make anymore after that event

>>73861677
Typical, hating the audience they've attracted themselves with the content they make.

Love sharing a board with unironic third world ESLs, diversity amirite!

>>73861904
I assume you have figures to back that up?

>>73861978
yes

holofags always turn on their girls the moment they leave. why even hire girls? just put up a stream of the logo and they'll go nuts.

>>73861967
Are we forcing behaviour in some way?

>>73861719
>Because the context of them hating their fans, according to her, is that they feel like oppressed slaves who can't do what they want because they're held hostage. Meanwhile, Ayame clearly does whatever the fuck she wants, and even if you consider it contempt that's certainly not the oppressed kind.
This, Coco just wanted to make the maximum amount of money should could while in Hololive so she followed the unsqaid rules, it had nothing to do with slavery. She could have done any collab she wanted to do, her income might suffer for it but she always had the choice.

>>73862017
There have only been 2 graduations in the history of hololive and I don't see anyone shitting on Sana. Almost as if kson is a whore who deserves it.

>>73862017
Nobody turned on Mel, Nijisis. We know your girls were responsible there.

>>73856181
You don't need to be 5views to make a living, of course Kson isn't swimming in money like top holos but she's probably doing just fine.

>>73856181
At the end of the day the main thing she cared about was money, and she's most likely getting a bigger cut in vsh*jo, also doesn't have to work as hard since there's no singing and dancing lessons behind scenes.
She might miss her holo friends though, but she's still met them since and she's not alone in vsho either.
She lost on one of the biggesf audiences possible but she's probably happier with her own character rather than a pre-made on with a mickey mouse squeaky voice, artisting liberties has been her public reason for leaving after all.

>>73862089
i have seen people shit on sana several times personally. it's only uncommon because she's not a content creator so she has 0 discussion.

>>73861865
Let's be fucking real. Yagoo would be the most retarded man in the world if he thought he could save HoloCN. He only pulled out because China didn't want them anymore, and Asus pulling out was the beginning

HoloCN was a broken leg that got infections, and it would spread to hurt the entire body if not cut off. So he did. And what happened after that ? Entire Holo got heavy restricted. Anything they do had to be extremely safe for work. HoloSummer outfit got cancelled. And many personal projects, including Coco's, were denied because they were afraid of walking on eggshells. Their fear prevented them from letting the members do what they want and Coco had enough of that shit. Only when Coco dropped the graduation notice on Cover that they finally saw their actions clearly. That was the consequence, and Cover and Yagoo did not want to lose more members for this, and here we are

>>73862140
She's doing fine thanks to all the money she made in hololive. If she was a fresh indie who started today she'd still be working a normal job to support her low numbers.

>>73862171
>At the end of the day the main thing she cared about was money
If she only cared about money she would be in Hololive still.

>>73862203
>Their fear prevented them from letting the members do what they want and Coco had enough of that shit.
So what sort of epic content has she been doing these days with her newfound freedom? Hard mode: content that is actually vtuber-related instead of cam whore garbage.

>>73862206
how are numberfags this out of touch

>>73862219
Except she thought she would make more money outside of hololive, which was "restricting" her.

>>73862219
You're assuming she isn't retarded. Her actions and statements after leaving hololive prove otherwise.
She didn't realize she'd only be making more money in the extremely short term.

>>73862206
>she'd still be working a normal job to support her low numbers.
Holy shit you're retarded.

>>73862264
20k vod views doesn't equal a full time salary as far as I'm aware. Also I hate that I have to censor a screenshot of her own fucking video page because this whore is half off-topic here.

>>73862287
>>73862351
She literally said in a members stream around when she graduated that she knows she is losing a ton of money but she doesn't care.

>>73856629
No.
Kizuna/Kaguya/Mirai way back then. Sasaki much later, then Miko, Rushia & finally the rest of hololive shortly after.

>>73857244
lol
lmao even

>>73862404
Bro, having like 100-200 consistent live viewers as a streamer will allow you to live a comfortable life, even in the US. You are absolutely out of touch.

>>73862437
>immediately realize you fucked up
>make a damage control stream saying it was your plan all along
lol what a cope
unless you're saying she has a fetish or some other sort of compulsion to flaunt her ass on live streams, she definitely cares about money and wishes she had more

>>73862528
It was before the graduation.

>>73862520
Maybe if they're all whales. Converting that number into members or twitch subs is $1k a month.

>>73862437
> Money doesn't matter
Is this the quote rich people say?

>got a role in her favorite game series (two roles, technically)
>hangs out with models constantly
>spends her time building gunpla and fucking around, living off the royalties from her old job
If this is what losing looks like I want to be a complete fucking loser

>>73861677
>being seiso is slavery
>showing off tits and ass is freedom
Isn't this literally twitter feminist shit? Why do kson simps defend this?

>>73862082
What did she even mean by slavery? That's over exaggerating things just to make something look worse than it is.

We have gura that doesn't stream and still earning boatloads of cash.

>>73862979
She thinks that acting in a specific way (that she doesn't like) to extract millions of dollars from men is slavery, and her acting in an opposite way to extract thousands of dollars from men is freedom.

Basically, just another bitter jealous whore trying to bring down the competition.

>>73862919
> Stop objectifying women! This is oppressing women!
> Proceeds to show off their body

No amount of pissing and shitting will change the fact that kson brough the most new people to vtubers and hololive.

>>73856629
I dont browse reddit faggot kys

>>73862979
>being a slave is not the most beautiful part of Japanese culture
perhaps she is alluding to the notoriously strict working conditions in japan

>>73863100
It's more like the "unrealistic standards" feminist argument.
>wanting women to be seiso = wanting women to look attractive = oppressing women
>wanting women to be whores = wanting women to look ugly = liberating women

>>73863100
she went from a reddit dragon to a sjw twitter slut, she deserves those views

>>73862919
>>73863100
>>73863237
nice strawmen, sisters

Holofags are the new Nijiggers now, huh?
Man, I hate this timeline.

>>73857838
I got into vTubing initially through Kizuna Ai, but after her agency sperged out and ruined her I kind of drifted away.

I do credit Kson getting me back into vTubing and discovering Hololive. I started to get interested in Hololive after my friend began linking me Coco clips. This was in 2020, a few months before Myth debuted.

Unlike most of the people in this thread I was a fan and feel pretty gloomy about how much Kson has reclined. I think maybe Hololive collabs and management were a major reason for her success.

smells like chink in here

>>73863095
> trying to bring down the competition.
Do you think her mixing vtubing with her irl stream is to dilute the vtuber culture to her advantage. She has the advantage of having a pretty face and body that people not comfortable with showing their irl face would be at a disadvantage with the shifted mood towards twitch vtubing.

>>73863273
How is that supposed to refute what I said?

>>73863320

>>73863283
There was never a difference

>>73863299
>She has the advantage of having a pretty face
lmao, yeah after 3 tons of makeup
her body isn't special either, more square than curvy in fact

>>73858709
I 100% miss her and want her back. Her post-Hololive wcontent just hasn't been as good which is why I drifted away.

>>73863338
This was back when they weren't popular. Now they're popular and don't do that. Funny how that works huh?

>>73863415
And you are kidding yourself if you dont think those 4 wouldnt do that kind of shit if they were allowed to. Choco for example still sells ear licking ASMR in the Holoshop, Marine wants more raunchy MVs that isnt allowed by management and talks about how her magic wand vibrator is broken and how she needs to put a piece of cloth over it when she uses it etc

>>73863415
hololive was popular in 2022

>>73863504
And thank god Cover tard wrangles them and stops them from those self destructive impulses (that you made up in your head)>

>>73862630
You need enough to pay your bills. Accumulating more than you need is not an activity that everyone is interested in. Before Hololive, Kson once quit her real job and got a part time one and moved house because the old job wanted her to not upload videos anymore. And that was on NND which wasn't monetized at all. She always valued having fun over making money.

>>73863563
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoIkChFpATY&
and see pic related for choco
https://twitter.com/yuzukichococh/status/1757726671829078266
how am i making this up?

>>73860951
This is what I'm curious about. I always hear cope about how her ideas were too extreme for Hololive, but now that she can do literally whatever she wants where are the fruits of that freedom? Where is the extreme, edgy, and innovative chuuba content that she couldn't make under the Hololive banner? If it ever happens it sure as hell never gets any traction here. It's not like vshojo has no presence here, but I still never see it. The only time I see anything about kson is when she's getting shit on for her steady decline.

>>73863657
If those videos contained her face then she 100% did it because she thought that gaining publicity and making it as a celebrity would be worth the gamble over some wagie job, and she was correct in that.

>>73863209
>perhaps she is alluding to the notoriously strict working conditions in japan
Sure, but Hololive is extremely lax compared to any other workplace in Japan. They talents can direct a lot of their own career success with management making suggestions but not even stopping them really. See Marine putting out Treasure Box even though they cautioned her not to spend her money on the project, but she ended up being correct in the end.

>>73863415
Are you unironically implying that nobody from JP was popular in 2022?

>>73863705
I honestly don't even get what you're trying to argue at this point. In fact your arguments suggest kson could've stayed on as Coco and done all her lewd shit in hololive and be 10x richer for it. So you're basically saying she left so she could whore out her 3D body on stream, as if that's smart or admirable kek.

>>73863209
She clearly isn't because she's talking about vtubers. She never said anything about being forced to work and only talked about freedom of expression.

Doubt it. She’s rich and does as she pleases.

>>73863736
>>73863823
there is more to the vtuber industry than hololive, my friends.

>>73863905
I can't think of another corpo that would be worth mentioning that fits the description of her rant.

>>73863733
This was when all her videos were just her voice and she showed up to the occasional official stream in a mask.

>>73862203
This is true

>>73862287
No, retard she said it by herself.
>>if she chooses money, she would stay.

Coco really help Hololive management not to become Nijisanji tier management unironically.

>>73863980
maybe you've heard of this small indie company called nijisanji

>>73860958
Matsuri was actually among the most relevant holos in the early days of jp clip.
Her cat mario rage, her nipples story, her pissing clip, her seiso clip LITERALLY the reason people even know the word now
Aqua x Shion minecraft shit Rushia raging compilations and PekoMiko minecraft pranks were the true introduction of Hololive to the world. Azur Lane also helped a lot.
When Coco debuted she was big immediately because this audience already existed, she just expanded it more.

>>73863905
When did I say she was talking about hololive? I know you're desperately trying to claim that she didn't talk about hololive to make it so that hololive fans can't criticize her, but her rant was all-encompassing and includes hololive.

>>73863209
She means NijisanjiEn because Sayu told her about slavery contact but we didn't know about Niji slave contact at that time.

>>73863095
No, she thinks that vtubers who cannot be true to themselves because of anti culture and dislike that fact are slaves because they fear to express themselves.

>>73864116
>nijisanji
>putting restrictions on talent personalities
lol, they're basically the opposite and let them go overboard and cause endless yabs

>>73864239
I think niji even has more cases of their own talent shitting on management that hololive.

>>73864193
>the industry will end in 5 years because people who perform publicly on the internet need to make an effort not to offend their hundreds of thousands of viewers
Clearly, the solution is to become a shameless whore and downgrade yourself to 3view status like kson, then you can do whatever because your 900 remaining fans will be diehard drones.

>>73856629
People respect Kson but they don't oshi her with devotion that other holomems get.

>>73864370
Maybe if you're talking in terms of number of fans, but she hit #1 superchats as Coco despite having like 5k ccv. Her gachis are well beyond normal and empty their paychecks to her.

>>73864169
it also includes vshojo. you can't just call out a specific company in japan so you have to make vague generalizations.
>>73864239
that was a rrat that has been proven to not be true.
>>73864352
trying too hard, sister.

>>73864193
>becoming a millionaire by having a job where you just need to act nice and cute for 1 hour every few days is """""slavery""""
The only thing worse than a woman having a woman moment is a man having a woman moment. You need to end your life immediately. Not like anyone would care since you're clearly a NEET, otherwise you'd consider yourself a "slave" since you can't just mouth off at everyone in your workplace in the name of "freedom".

>>73856629
what are u talking about it was the duck subaru
did even CoCo collab with EN much
LMFAO

>>73864456
If you have nothing to say then don't reply to me, incel.

>>73864456
It doesn't include vshojo because of her own presentation on what makes vshojo different.

>>73864614
the language she used literally does include vshojo.

>>73864655
It doesn't include vshojo because there's no "powers above" in vshojo that control what anyone can and can't do.

>>73864705
gunrun

>>73861567
>>73861947
You should watch the stream, the kson antis love to post an image mistranslated or without context, you know "holo vs holo".
https://www.youtube.com/live/ScVSeQ4UswY

>>73859767
>673k views when most holos were under 100k subs
alright your bait got me. you aren't really this retarded right?

>>73863273
>>73863338
Are you suggesting lewd content as indie is freedom while lewd content in corpo setting is slavery?

>>73856181
I don't get the point of these threads. Has Kson ever expressed sadness over her numbers? Because if she is happy with the audience size she has, that's all that matters.

>>73864923
no. are you retarded?

>>73864794
>gunrun
doesn't control anyone's content or care about pandering to any particular demographic.

>>73864809
>mistranslated
She literally translated her own stream you imbecile, and that is what is screenshotted and posted.
>just give her a view guys trust me
How about you just provide counter-evidence you pathetic shill.

>>73864965
he could if he wanted to.

>>73858400
Yes but at least she got to fulfill her dream of being in a RGG game

>>73864531
What the fuck are you talking about? I just explained Kson's opinion, not my own.
Take your meds, Kson anti.

>>73864942
How many women do you think are happy about showing off their tits/ass on stream?

>>73864984
>She literally translated her own stream
very ironic posting this in response to someone accusing you of not watching the stream because she did not translate it.

>>73860790
>she is hot
Why are standards so low now?

Her biggest mistake was believing that the behavior of her Hololive and indie days would be acceptable in Vshojo/Twitch.

>>73864995
But he hasn't and doesn't so the rant isn't about him. It was about the "slavery" of vtubers being a currently occurring thing that will lead to those vtubers not existing in 5 years.

>>73861356
>there's only one
Oh okay.

>>73864193
No, she was talking about "slavery" Nijisanji contact because of Sayu told her about her slave contract.

>> 5 years
>> She meant Nijisanji but can't spell Niji name or get sued

>>73865082
>open stream
>official english transcript embedded in the stream
Let me guess, the hacker known as 4chan sneaked in a nasty mistranslation and it's actually all wrong?

>>73865116
its a given she owns a big part of vshojo now along with melody lol

>>73865084
yellow fever and incelom

>>73865122
my point is that just because her vague generalization technically includes them doesn't mean that's who she's talking about.
>>73865156
it's a fan submitted translation. you would see the translator if you watched the stream!

>>73864995
If he do, Hime will kill him fr fr.

>>Who is Hime?
>> Lurk more

>>73865206
I don't get it, are you saying the translation is accurate or not? And I guess you're also saying kson didn't even review the translation?

>>73865206
Her vague generalization echoes what every other redditor and twittertard says about hololive and now nijisanji.

>>73865034
How is that related to the question I asked? I asked if she has expressed sadness on her audience size. If she wants to show tits and ass on stream then let her, that's not my problem.

>>73865122
She was talking about NijisanjiEN "slavery" contact which she knew from Sayu.

>>73865176
ogey rrat

>>73865143
Saying nothing is better than vague posting look at kuro and his tweet during niji ar. Making people assume niji didn't get his permission for his voice to be present.

>>73865274
Virginbro, one of the most fundamental rules about women is that you pay attention to what they do, not what they say.

>>73865253
She really talk about Nijisanji.

Source : She contacted Sayu in that time. I think Sayu told Kson everything and slavery contact which we don't know at that time.

>>73865350
Ok? Has she ever showed any action that indicates that she is sad over her numbers then?

>>73865394
She had dinner with Mori before that rant.

>>73858157
>It's the redditors pushing the vtuber jesus narrative.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you or anything but I thought you guys always called her "vtuber jesus" until she joined a company that you don't like?

>>73865306
Where's the source?

>>73865394
Your English is really bad. She was ranting about "idols" which has nothing to do with nijisanji or their contract.

>>73865434
You mean besides whoring herself out in an attempt for more numbers?

>>73865337
She was vauge post it long time ago before NijiEN explode like today. I think she tried to warn Nijisanji but Nijisisters and Holobros can't understand her context at that time because we really don't know and has GURRAT at that time

>>73865436
And Sayu too

You can check her X

>>73865253
because there actually are some black company vtuber companies like those redditors and twittertards believe
>>73865436
and several other unnamed people

>>73865569
Those companies are not about being "idols". I can think of one shady one but that's an EN company so definitely not what she's talking about.

>>73865451
No, sir
Kson likes Idol
You can't fool us in this matter.

>> But....
>> Look at her 10 million yen 3D "Idol" concert.

>>73865485
Then why isn't her whoring streams the main part of her content then?
>>73862404
In this image here, her whoring streams make up a fourth of her most recent streams. If she was chasing more numbers, I believe those would be more frequent.

>>73861904
Aqua had more subs on bilibili than on YouTube, Fubuki was in a similar situation. A big portion of the fanbase was chinese.

>>73856181
Ksonkeks getting uppity. Maybe try watching her so she wouldn't have such low numbers

>>73865627
Kson never hate or mean " Idol" because she likes to be idol herself.

It's about slavery contact but we miscontext her.

nijisister...
kson achieved her dream and got to meet her husbando. There is nothing to regret. She is in fucking yakuza as an integral part of the game in TWO GAMES
Such once-in-a-lifetime opportunities you dont get in nijisanji.

>>73865679
Look at foreign money law of China and you will understand.

Lawless wasteland for westerner is not just a meme.

>>73865627
she was talking about vtubers not idols

>>73864984
Yes, she translated more than 2 hours that for some reason you think you can summarize it in an image.
Why are you so afraid that people will be informed?

do seapeople rlly watch so much porn they see a woman dressed in a tshirt and shorts building a plastic robot and immediately think of JAV?

>>73865679
this was the month before the taiwan yab. it wasn't very high, and it was going to be lower after that.

>>73865843
Ehhhh yes?

>>73865657
>>73865716
Her entire rant is very clearly about the people who like hololive "idols" and shit on her for not fitting the mold especially with what she has done after leaving. This is so simple to understand but you for some reason do not want to recognize it.

>>73865800
Yes she was talking about how companies force vtubers to be "idols" for the "weebs" and how it's all slavery that will result in those vtubers burning out or something in 5 years.

>>73865895
Damn, gotta give respect to Fubuki who chose her friend over money. I kneel.

>>73865962
so you didn't watch it. got it.

>>73865451
The separation of vtuber persona and pl is important for a reason. People knows this especially how it's an inside secret about some talents already being married and stuff, This is why normalizing pl talks is frowned upon in the first place.
Unless they aren't that talented at entertaining people or making music and did gfe streams. They would not have anything to fall back on when they get outed.

>>73865676
Because if they were any more frequent she would stop being considered a vtuber.

>>73856629
Eekum Bokum, nigger.

>>73865962
No and wrong.
And I think you never watch it and just shitposting now.

>>73866012
I did watch it. I don't know why you're in such deep denial.Since you're such an expert why don't you summarize exactly what she said then?
Who are the "weebs" and "idols"?

>>73865827
Who's afraid? You're the one making vague statements instead of posting screenshots, while trying to argue against people who are actually posting screenshots.

>>73866148
You're the one who never watched it with how much you're trying to claim that she was talking about nijiEN. She literally said it was about japanese vtubers, so not nijiEN.

>>73866163
Kson really likes idol thing retard.

https://www.youtube.com/live/VrvbLKLyGkU?si=JdsjE7gpW4RNIogz

>>73866163
>Who are the "weebs"
asshole vtuber "fans"
>and "idols"?
vtubers in her example

>>73866288
When did I say she didn't, moron? she hates it when hololive fans shit on her for not being like hololive.

>>73866276
She really mean to Nijisanji and she knows something bad happen long time ago.

>> but how did she know?
>> Himemori Luna

>>73856743
>she used to be solid 5-10k as a Holo
She never pulled those numbers. Outside of her meme review, she having a stream with 3k views was considered a success.

>>73866288
lmao she likes the money from idol culture and that's it, no different to nijis jumping on the bandwagon despite being anti-unicorn at their core

>>73866163
Weeb and Idol were from /vt/ spectulation but not from Kson herself?

>>73866379
Man your retarded story is changing again. You literally just claimed she was talking about NijiEN here >>73865306
You don't actually believe what you're saying. Go take some English classes before posting again.

>>73866375
And that is misunderstanding and miscontext because she never mean Hololive but NijisanjiEN.

So much seething over a boring ass mahjong stream
Slow day, huh?

>>73866359
Correct. And what did she say about those two things? That the "weebs" only consider vtubers who act a specific way to be "idols" and hate anyone else. That's her ranting about hololive and hololive fans.

How does face reveal work when the chuuba is ugly irl

>>73866128
And why should she care if she stops being considered a vtuber if she only cares about numbers? You said she wants more numbers, if that was her whole objective, then she would drop all pretenses and just whore out for the bigger audience.

>>73865843
don't forget that there are people here from burqa countries

>>73866520
She was talking about japanese vtubers, you fucking moronic monkey.

>>73866571
wow based

>>73866467
I don't change anything
I said she recieved info and know something bad inside Nijisanji long time ago by 2 persons but different times.

1. Himemori Luna NijisanjiJP
2. Sayu Nijisanji EN

>>But....
>> Did she ever acknownledge Nijisanji even before Taiwan yab? No,She didn't because Luna was her genmate.

>>73866688
Why is your English so bad?

This is a niji seethe thread. Sisters have lost it.

>kson cucks don't even watch her own stream
She is 100% ranting about idolfags and unicorns, complaining about how men don't like whores and only support non-whores, demanding that men should all turn into cucks who love and support whores because she said so. Literal feminist subhuman.

>>73866728
本当に申し訳ない。私は日本人です。

>she is a feminist!
we got literal zhang twitter propaganda here now.

>>73866779
>> talking about slavery incident
>> use another incident and nothing relate?

Retard.

>>73866779
There was also this part
>It's gotten to where it's not even "she interacts with guys". "She's with girls who's with girls who's with girls who's with girls who's with guys."
This part is 100% about people who don't like certain hololive members hanging out with her.

>>73866870
>incoherent ESL scribbles

>>73866900
Wait.
We are talking about " slavery" post and you use different incident which not relate to argue with us?

>>73866803
You're not japanese. You defended rushit for several years and made a bunch of completely unhinged posts that completely misinterpreted everything know about her.

>>73866986
Stop posting already, retard. You don't understand enough English to have a conversation with anyone.

>>73866779
>>73866900
Unicorns was just an example that she said she regretted leaning into too much because it confused people right after the translated portion ended.

>>73866991
I beg you pardon?

>>73866779
And she is 100% correct about idolfags and unicorns who actually go out of their way to anti vtubers that do not pander to them.

>>73856181
Friendly reminder that holomen hate numberfags who weaponize their popularity more than their own antis.

>>73867075
>> talking about slavery post and ate dinner with Sayu.
>> but use other incident instead because fear to lose.

I rest my case

>>73867119
All you're really saying is that she is not specifically targeting unicorns just because she calls out some unicorn behavior and that she is actually targeting a much larger group which is true because she's talking about hololive fans who don't like her.

>>73867228
She is not talking about EN vtubers or their fans, moron. Go take an English class.

>>73866900
>Hang out with crackheads
>People don't like it
>Hang out with people who Hang out with crackheads
>People still don't like it
It's amazing to me how stupid she and the other vshojo whores are. People have always looked down on whores and sluts, nothing you will ever do will change that and hanging out with whores and sluts will get you looked down on too.
I think they need to talk to real people and not their internet friends.

>>73867154
So according to kson, every non-whore vtuber she knows hates their job and doesn't accept it, yet won't just leave and instead stay in their job...as if they accepted it...?

Also that's a pretty wild claim to make. Imagine if this melty actually went viral and all the holos get plagued with concerns about whether or not they secretly hate their job and their fans. Destructive bitch.

>>73867264
Retard

She will not say anything if they "just" hate her. She always is saviourfags that mean she want to protect or help someone but not herself.

>>73867322
Holofags would just call her a liar than admit that their behavior is hurting their oshis.

>>73867373
Stop posting already.

>>73864655
Shut the fuck up cuck, her rant is about how vshojo is the best and everyone else is a sad slave. Totally being objective and not biased though!

>>73866198
>Who's afraid?
You
>You're the one making vague statements instead of posting screenshots
Literally post the link which is a true source of information.
Why are her antis such stupid trannies?

>>73867422
What behavior is hurting them and how?

>>73867422
Considering the wide range of things that holos are allowed to do, which even go into anti-unicorn territory, I find it hard to believe that anyone is being restricted or held hostage by anything besides the fact that they know they would earn less money if they decided to reveal to everyone that they're actually a bitch whore.

>>73857491
nta, yes i enjoy mahjong. i sometimes watch jong chuubas playing with viewers and i get to join for a match. its fun

>>73867469
Numberfagging. They hate it.

>>73867310
In slavery post after ate dinner with Sayu and 2% cut meme.

Do you really believe in your word?
I will say that we misunderstand her context and she hinted about slavery NijisanjiEN contract which she knew from Sayu and Kson helped her.

Source : Sayu girl diary incident which happend after "slavery" post and ate dinner with Sayu. Kson helps Sayu by ridicule NijiEN merch %cut for talent and she is the only one who know Hololive, Vshojo and Nijisanji contracts for real.


This is a true meaning of Slavery post which help Sayu burn down The Yatch later.

>>73867460
You're complaining about people posting screenshots from that very link lol, accusing it of being wrong somehow even though it's the official transcript, and they need to just "watch the whole thing" to understand what your problem even is, because you sure as hell won't elaborate, and you probably just want to squeeze some views out for her vid like the good little shill cuck you are.

>>73867497
Yea it's crazy it's almost like her vague rant that does not apply to hololive is not about hololive.

>>73867513
The only one who's being hurt is you seeing how desperately you want to shame anyone that likes hololive and doesn't like vshojo.

>>73867424
Denied

>>73867546
>These people say, "Those who obey their agencies and never step out of line are real Japanese idols."
She is not talking about Nijisanji EN.

>>73867556
Actually one of the few times she actually acknowledged knowing hololive memebers is to say how much they hate numberfags.

>>73867553
What other large corpo is known for having idols and not being allowed to talk about boyfriends? She explicitly says she's worried about a "massive trend", so she's definitely not talking about some no-name black company.

>>73867553
It's very clearly about hololive and hololive fans. She was pissed off that hololive fans don't like holos hanging out with her.

>>73866991
It's not you to decide which are true or false because at least I watch her live streams. If it different from your rrats or you hollow imagination, it's not my fault.

>>73856181
were you expecting that she'd retain the same numbers after leaving a popular corpo? not to mention she doesnt really care about it. she managed to peak in hololive and left in her prime. now she gets to grope actual gravure idols and gets to be a cameo in her favourite game.

>>73867443
They're the vtuber avengers bro trust me

>>73867709
Also she has 2 cats and sleep with "redact" recently.

>>73867443
nijiseethe
>>73867639
whether or not the vtubers are actually idols is irrelevant to the discussion. the rant was about fans who anti everything that isn't "idol" with a warped idea or what that even means.

>>73867700
You clearly didn't watch her stream with you keep going on about Nijisanji EN when she literally said she is talking about fans of Japanse vtubers.

>>73858785
Europe fucking sucks lil nigga lol

>>73867636
She's so bitter kek

>>73867782
And that's obviously about hololive fans which means all the other stuff she said is also about hololive.

>>73867839
bitter about what

>>73867782
She's not complaining about people attacking whores, she's complaining about whores being essentially boycotted and snuffed out of the industry because more and more people are choosing idols over whores.

>>73867443
Well.... Vshoujo is the best for her. I won't disagree with you in this matter.

But you just mix " slavery" post and these screenshots and combine it for miscontext her and makes her look bad.

You fagg

>>73867881
>whores being essentially boycotted and snuffed out of the industry
God I fucking wish

>>73867906
>ESL trying to argue that his interpretation of English is better than a native
kys

>>73867940
so true sister

>>73867940
5 more years according to kson, trust the plan

>>73867613
She may be talk about "Nijisanji" as whole ( both JP and EN).

Why are kson fans so afraid of hololive fans? They will go to such massive lengths to try and align themselves with hololive fans despite hating them and hololive.

>>73867839
>> this retard doesn't know Coco hates numberfags even in Hololive.
>> She helps Watame from number addict.

>>73868012
She is not talking about Nijisanji. There are no Nijisanji fans who would call vshojo members whores.

>>73867881
If by whores you mean fun vtubers and by idols you mean boring corporate products yea that sums it up

>>73867961
>2 runts, an ironic whore and a pro-unicorn
I don't see anything wrong with this.

>>73867881
>more people are choosing idols over whores.
But they aren't? Hololive is more popular than ever.

>>73867497
It's because she's talking about the fans who would hate on them for doing that. Antis like several holomems already have.

>>73867950
>>ESL or not doesn't mean you can combind 2 situations and talk like you know everything.

>>73868032
They're a small dog that loves to yap at the bigger ones but is scared of getting bitten.

>>73868105
>contrarian cope
You would have more fun if you just coomed to actual porn instead of a goblina under 10 pounds of makeup

>>73862382
A lot of phase connect(mid-sized corpo) chuubas are working a normal job (Tenma works as a translator, Airi is a wagie, etc.)

Pretty fair assumption I think?

>>73868192
what does porn have to do with hololive selling out

>>73868144
So what? There aren't enough of them to matter, like the male collaber holos already prove. Unicorns mostly just silently move on, and that's what they're actually afraid of - losing money.

>>73868032
Imagine being a fan of kson and not actually knowing who coco was, being years late to the game after an entire entire already rose and fell, not knowing why there was so much hype around her and her joining vshojo was considered such an immense huge deal and scoop. That seems to be a majority of kson fans now and they are inherently and permanently disqualified from having an opinion on her regarding anything to do with Hololive.

They think she's currently some big star still and not greatly diminished and practically a nobody now just coasting off her former fame. They are like little kids watching the new horrible star wars "sequels" and liking them and not understanding why older fans dislike those movies so genuinely. Like, they are not mentally capable of having the context -to- understand truly.

>>73868081
They want her termination by helping antis from CN in Taiwan yab . "Whores" is very soft for what they did to her.

Not all of them thou

>>73868234
You're a minority who enjoys minority content which is a minority because most people find it boring/trashy. Stop being jealous of the majority.

>>73868273
You're mentally ill.

>>73868310
minority content is always better. you like popular things, like marvel movies and allah? what a sad life.

>>73868257
Kson's vtuber vids get like 20k views while her flesh vids get 100k+. The only people left in her fandom are the type of simps who watch hot tub streams on twitch. Bunch of horny pajeets who couldn't care less about vtubing.

>>73868334
Well...
I can't deny it.
I never forgive them for what they done...

Now just take the final step and admit that you think anyone still in hololive is shit.

>>73868257
Imagine not knowing who Coco is so you go watch some old Hololive videos and then an Advent collab or some other new shit. That would be some crazy whiplash.

>>73868370
You're not making a good case when you're seething so hard over being a minority.

>>73868415
Not all

We also watch her because her cats (Kuro and Chika) are cute frfr.

>>73867322
With such vague wording she might as well imply all hololive talents hate their fans...say why are we dedicating part of our own lives and giving money to rich women who secretly hates their supporters. I'm getting reminded of grifters doing gfe streams while showing disgust behind the scene. Wait why are they in hololive in the first place if they hate that kinda thing as kson has said? Did the people she talked to not have the talent to be entertaining to fall back on. I remember jp side already doing male collabs and fans being fine with it. Does that mean those same talents are still secretly bitching they can't show off their own boyfriends and husband's on stream or their work accounts? What the fuck is this nonsense. They complain about playing in character, they'll complain about not being able to male collab and now they'll still complain about the very fans that gave into their demands and kept supporting them. The fuck is this shit.

>>73868460
Minority =/= bad
Majority =/= good

It's about "taste" anon

Since this thread is almost nearing it's end, let this be a reminder that Holofags and Nijifags are the same kind of people. People who turn against their oshi the moment they leave the brand they worship. Now I get why they love to argue over fucking stock prices.

>>73868547
Contrarian = tranny faggot