/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

The VCR effect and its consequences

>Holocope: the thread

But enough about VCR killing Hololive from within, beggar

>>73830566
>>73830596
samefagging inbred ape go back to twitter Ooopsie_Vo

tl;dr
VCR caused irreperable damage to Hololive since they first got involved
No need to tell us otherwise when everything from superchats, merch sales, views, subscribers, and even clipper channel numbers are all down

>>73830566
>>73830596
>>73830631
Samefagging retard KYS
>Cover being above 1300 is good
>Anycolor being BELOW 3300 is bad
>The japanese economy is tanking
>You are a worthless nijinigger with a rotten pagpag cunt schlicking it to vox akuma ASMR
>Yagoo told investors to fuck off when asked to cut costs similar to niji
>Everyone who leaves nijisanji fucking hates them
>You will never win anything by shitposting here and on twitter Ooopsee_Vo

>>73830631
>20 billion in loses
can someone explain me this? shouldn't they be bankrupt by then no?

>>73830646
>retard doesn't know what samefag is
Grim, I hate newfags

>>73830727
God shut the fuck up and stop spamming the same bullshit yu worthless nijinigger

>>73830769
Every post in this thread talking about VCR is from the same worthless nijinigger, The same exact one

>>73830791
Whatever you say beggar
It doesn't mean it's not true

>>73830631
>>/vt/image/0Dc9OpbL9g0n/mEuOxE0pg
Get off your samsung phone and kill yourself retard

But maturity is spamming and same fagging on 4chin. Kek.

>a gorillion seethe threads about VCR
I hate it too, but this just reeks of nijifaggotry.

>>73830851
This isn't the first VCR holo talents have been in
Holo talents CCV and supas and hours watched have literally never been higher
You are a braindamaged retard

>>73830840
>everyone who hates VCR is a Nijinigger
Whatever you say beggar

>>73830887
>CCV and supas and hours watched have literally never been higher
Yeah for a while until they drop them too. Then they won't have any fans due to the consequences of alienating their core fanbase after pumping and dumping

>>73830566
>>73830631
>>73830727
These are the same faggots that monitor any Hololive member's numbers after collaborating with a guy until the numbers dip slightly just to go "See!? I told you so!"

>>73830495
based thread .as a trader i agree with ya

>>73831003
It happened every time though, beggar
Why lie?

I hate how this thread has been derailed and became a place for sisters larping as unicorns to spam "VCR killed Holo" bullshit while their biggest Niji member is also part of that shit

>>73830840
so says the njisister.the mods should rangeban SEA for fucks sake

>>73830892
>>73830949
>>73831003
>>73831033
>>73831037
Imagine not a SINGLE streamer being able to top fucking machina x flayon.. The smallest runt in holostarsEN

>>73831065
>sisters larping as unicorns
Don't check /#/, sis

>>73831086
More than half of the jannies are from SEA.

>>73830949
tldr hololive aint kurosanji sis

>>73830566
>>73830631
>Claim Homobeggars are deranged
>This shit
You sound like women lmao

>>73831141
grim

>>73831086
If they banned SEA, 80% of the people posting on the numbertranny thread and /NijiEN/ would dissapear lmao

>>73831175
Neither are the "fans" that pump and dump Holos when the novelty is off going back to their males

Oh well atleast doki is a 5k shitter and declining every da--ACK

>>73831241
that would be kino if ya ask me anon

>>73831218
Seething because unicorns are right
Holoslop is real. Thanks Fagoo. Pathetic how no people actually stand up to this kind of bullshit anymore.

>>73830495
People just desperately want Nijisanji to fail. It won't btw, Japanese audience is too stronk, and ENvtubing is too dead for either company to really care about it.

>>73831258
>that pump and dump Holos when the novelty is off going back to their males
are you misunderstanding anything there bitch?

>>73831387
The VCR crowd aren't VTuber fans and hate the girls

>>73831335
>>73831363
>>73831266
same seething brown paki sister

>>73830840
Nijiniggers love VCR
You fucking faggot

>>73831363
The 2 NijiJP talents streaming right now are low 3view and 2view respectively
Kuzuha's entire march + april fools day stream made less money than marine's 3 million subscriber push
Not a SINGLE nijisanji talent is even remotely close to TWO million subs
kuzuha and Kanae are literally the only streamers in NijiJP that can compete with holoJP

>>73831363
TLDR: Niji will never go down, just the side branches like EN.

>>73831471
>i dont like vcr so everyone hates them too.
what a retard

>>73831484
But they love falseflagging as unicorns even more by pretending hololive is "dying" and niji is "thriving" because "le idol culture bad" while hypocritically celebrating white man hating uki's "idol debut" and the AR live concert AKA the purple incident

>>73831565
I accept your concession.

there's a little thing i like to call, the dead numbersisters theory...

>>73831482
The dokibird post was making fun of nijiniggers saying she was declining. She has more than 5k there, and is literally bigger than she ever was as selen even at her lowest so far as doki

>>73831363
>ENvtubing is too dead for either company to really care about it.
it might be for kurosanji but
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2024-03-17/hololive-cover-corp-establishes-1st-overseas-subsidiary-cover-usa/.208829

It's okay holobros, just because your stock is doing worse doesn't mean your girls are any worse or talentless. You can enjoy watching them without obsessing over how Cover is worth less than Anycolor. There's no shame in being number two. Maybe if you support them enough you'll get a turn at being number one!

>>73831612
>I accept your concession.
end game losing comment of sister

>>73831037
Numbers go up and down all the time.

>>73831753
holy dreaming nijicunt

/#/ was a mistake

The real numbers come from merch sales

>>73831753
so says 3 view sister

>cover stock price is 1832 now
Holy kek

>>73831363
>ENVtubing is dead
Roro..Rumao
Dokibird made 96k in superchats in her first 2 months since returning
Fuwamoco have made more in the past 9 months they've been around than the majority of nijiEN organs have their entire careers

>>73831895
Even /#/ doesn’t consider this worth discussing, that’s why retards spam the catalog about it instead.

>>73831936
>Still above 1300
>The entire JP economy is imploding
>Ignores nijisanji's losses
Kekaroo

I don't watch vtubers anymore.

>>73831988
Shut the fuck up, /#/fag. No one likes you.

>>73831948
Holomyth were consistent 5views in 2020. The only 5views now are in Japan.

>>73830495
Is there a publicly traded company that is actually based? Every time I read about a company doing something cool they are private

>>73830495
>Nijisanji stocks drop: LMAOOO THEY'RE DONE FOR AND THEY'LL DROP MORE KEKEK BUY THE DIP
>Hololive stocks drop: Maturity is realizing that Hololive doesn't measure their success on the stock market

Never change, holokiddies. Never change

No you see, its not the same, its totally different!
Karma's a bitch isn't it holofags, can't wait to see homo collabs to bring that stock up.
>>73831266
>Collab
>Only 6k
Lmao, she's cratering worse than Cover's stock. Give it another month, she'll be in the low 2k's.
>>73831518
>Numbers numbers numbers
You lost monkey, and Niji put up their highest profits on record even with the Selen debacle, they're untouchable.

>>73832995
...because cover did not do stock buybacks... unlike anycolor.
why is it so fucking hard to understand?
>holokiddies
you are the only child here

>>73832247
t. pot talking to kettle

>>73833084
>Nijinig seething this hard and stealing /HAHA/ edits
Lmao

>>73832527
Gura is still a 5view but she rarely streams
No other streamer in EN is even close to being a consistent 5view, But there are a LOT of high 4views in holo and indies like fillian and dokibird

>>73833084
>Niji put up their highest profits on record
Why the fuck you lying?. They were down 40%?
>Collab
>Only 6k
And how much do nijiniggers get nowadays kek?

>>73832995
>Nijisanji Paid 18 million USD to buy them back at 3100$ a share, and applied for loan margin trading to inflate the stock further
>Yagoo told hololive investors to fuck off when asked to cut holo talent's pay
>Riku Tazumi has on record said he is only interested in short term profits and "The Fad"
>Yagoo is exclusively in it for the content and the Idol Dream, Which is growing stronger than ever
>Gura's taiwan merch drop made more money than vox akuma's ENTIRE CAREER
>Holo 5th fest sold over 86000 tickets
>Nijifes 2023 sold about 60000

>>73830495
I do feel that you genuinely that you wanted to educate some anons here about stocks and that you wanted to probably stop this comparisons between the 2 companies since they have very different situations but I am guessing that this is guna get worse.

As I am a flip myself, I can only say that the nijisisters from PH won't even listen to this since they are all retarded to the point that they will blindly follow whatever their interests is or whoever gives them money even if they are in the wrong.

I do appreciate tho that most of the people here would try to explain stuff in simpler ways (like that anon with the goat explanation) so cheers to you all. Hope I see more people like you here.

>>73830495
While I appreciate the post, the discourse around Cover's falling stock value is from people who don't discuss in good faith. So it won't change anything. It's just sisters and discord shitters. The former unironically care about the stock price because Nijisanji cares about it's stock price and see it as a horse race. The latter are just (you) farming because they lack anything else more meaningful in their lives at this point in time.
Holobronies who shitpost about Anycolor's stock price don't actually care about Cover's. It's not like they discuss it in good faith either, they just want to shit on Niji because Anycolor spent millions of dollars trying to pump up the stock price and had that evaporate into thin air.

That's the central crux of the discourse - Nijisisters care about stock price and spam Cover's because Anycolor cares about the stock price and sisters assume Holobronies care as much as they do. Holobronies just use stock price as a vector to shit on Niji. They (and Cover) don't actually care too much about the stock price since the IPO was primarily to raise capital for assets and projects which they now have.

>>73830495
>cover not a trading company
>niji is a full fledge public company = basically a trader company
so niji is selling drama ?

The state of things
>Holofans: "Cover stock is dropping? Good."
>Nijifans: They like VCR because gives them the opportunity to leech off of Hololive
>Collab Beggars: Losing their mind. Wait I don't think they had one to lose.

>>73831753
>when sister failed elementary school
Nijisis can't escape the retard allegation.

>>73836294
AIEEEEEE, nijisis kryptonite, nigiro dayo.

>>73830495
>Maturity is when you realize
...that stock value must be increased or maintained so the company doesn't get fucked

>>73831003
show me anyone with numbers going UP after homocollabs

>>73832163
Same here, or if i do they're background noise. 2020 anon would never have believed this

>>73845441
And this is with Riku using every connection he has just to increase anycolor stock price. They're even preventing people from short-selling kek
This shit is so obvious. The stockholders clearly want overseas expansion and hololive is dominating in that area. Right now the only reason cover's stock is going down is because the entire jp economy is going down. A quick google search will confirm that

>>73830566
Why do you think investors care?

>>73830631
>>73830566
>lost
They gained 40% in profits... anycolor lost 30%

Cover is dropping because of the industry association with Anycolor. Investors don't watch content, no one gives a shit avout VCR.
The difference is that Cover has a Q4 with holofes and expo numbers to look forward to while Anycolor has their dreaded negligible Selen quarter up next.

>>73845441
>6 dollars worth over the course of 5 years
>4 dollars worth over the course of 5 years
Literally anywhere else with any other company, this shit would be nothing burger to infinity, but for some reason you amateur /biz/ rejects act like its the apocalypse every Yen

>>73830495
>Maturity
That's a weird way to spell HOLOCOPE
>This entire post
And that's HOLOSEETHE

>>73830566
You think investors give a fuck about women talking to men?

It’s really weird that I end up hearing more about stocks on a fucking vtuber board than in my financial accounting and economics classes

>>73850034
They lost more than 30%.
The money they earned that they could've used to reinvest on the organs was used to buyback the stocks to double its price back in October of 2022.

>>73850810
No but they do care about them trying to kill their coworkers

>>73830495
Maturity is not fucking putting out a novel over companies that hire women to pretend to be vague story characters and yet here we all are.

>>73850429
>judging stocks by absolute value change instead of %
are you fucking retarded?

>>73851101
>investing in livers
lol
lmao
lol again
Have fun paying for your own debut in full and 98% of your earnings go to anycolor

List of HOLOCOPE, HOLOLIES and HOLOPROJECTION from this thread ALONE (so far):
>Hololive doesn't use stock status as a mean of success
>While Anycolor is a full-fledge public company who is open towards all traders to mess with their stock price, Cover is not
>Cover restricted how impactful the traders are on their stock
>Cover would rather spend their money on improving actual assets instead of virtual unstable money and that's actually a W for them
>Cover's stock does not translate to how well the company is actually doing
>Cover is here for the long run while the other company is struggling to go back to where they used to be
>Cover being above 1300 is good
>Anycolor being BELOW 3300 is bad
>The japanese economy is tanking
>Yagoo told investors to fuck off when asked to cut costs similar to niji
>Everyone who leaves nijisanji fucking hates them
>If they banned SEA, 80% of the people posting on the numbertranny thread and /NijiEN/ would dissapear lmao
>Nijisanji Paid 18 million USD to buy them back at 3100$ a share, and applied for loan margin trading to inflate the stock further
>Yagoo told hololive investors to fuck off when asked to cut holo talent's pay
>Riku Tazumi has on record said he is only interested in short term profits and "The Fad"
>Yagoo is exclusively in it for the content and the Idol Dream, Which is growing stronger than ever
>Gura's taiwan merch drop made more money than vox akuma's ENTIRE CAREER
>Holo 5th fest sold over 86000 tickets
>Nijifes 2023 sold about 60000
>stop this comparisons between the 2 companies since they have very different situations
>goat explanation
>They (and Cover) don't actually care too much about the stock price since the IPO was primarily to raise capital for assets and projects which they now have.
>cover not a trading company
>niji is a full fledge public company = basically a trader company
>Holofans: "Cover stock is dropping? Good."
>Nijifans: They like VCR because gives them the opportunity to leech off of Hololive
>Collab Beggars: Losing their mind. Wait I don't think they had one to lose.
>And this is with Riku using every connection he has just to increase anycolor stock price. They're even preventing people from short-selling kek
>The stockholders clearly want overseas expansion and hololive is dominating in that area. Right now the only reason cover's stock is going down is because the entire jp economy is going down.
>They gained 40% in profits... anycolor lost 30%
>Cover is dropping because of the industry association with Anycolor.
>Cover has a Q4 with holofes and expo numbers to look forward to while Anycolor has their dreaded negligible Selen quarter up next
>They lost more than 30%.
>The money they earned that they could've used to reinvest on the organs was used to buyback the stocks to double its price back in October of 2022

>>73851592
i saw this phasefag post on discord

>>73851592
All I see is facts and not a single rebutal

So this thread is basically the equivalent to a free-for-all PvP zone, yeah?

>>73850306
/thread

>>73831086
>ban the region that largely dominates the entire board 24/7
>/vt/ as a whole dies down completely without SEA as its lifeblood
well if that was your plan then by all means please

>>73852900
NTA but I fail to see how that’s a bad thing
This is where you come to shitpost, actual discussion happens on /jp/

>>73852934
its a bad thing because every loathsome retard will all converge there if not being contained here.
As bad as this place gets its extra function as a Containment Chamber still works well. Remove that and all the filth spreads everywhere.

>>73851592
Thanks for this, phase cuck. I can use this on the nijiniggers

>>73851101
Too bad the sisters are too retarded to understand what that means

>>73851592
Anycolor should hire your smart-ass.

>>73830495
"management" used to be about actually managing the business,
nowadays it's all about manipulating numbers/kpi/stuff without anyone knowing what the damn business is

>>73830495
Too long didn’t read but I’m curious as to why such a thread exists
>Cover stock dropped to 1.8k
Oh… that’s why kek

>>73851592
Thanks for the QRD sister! Now I am armed with the facts to argue against anyone slandering Hololive.

>numberfags using small fluctuations in stock price to try and peddle cover bad anycolor good rrats
Excellent, thanks for the information that the dumbasses numberfagging this shit and pissing themselves over “muh beggars” are nijinigs

They lost 30% compared to Anycolor’s 34% these past 6 months where people were spamming IS ANYCOLOR GOING UNDER? IS IT THE END? Yet when Cover’s stock is dipping it’s minor fluctuations? Explain.

Can anyone explain why stock matters to the company itself? It is primarily for leverage when getting loans and investment?

>>73854208
Wouldn't matter for Anycolor either if they didn't sink real cash money into their stocks that is now gone and they are now below IPO

>>73851101
There's your answer already >>73851101
Cover losing 30% is bad, but it's not as bad as Anycolor's stock going below its initial price and even losing the money they spent on buyback.

>>73854208
Cover is still up 16% from a year ago. Anycolor has been flat most of the year so the recent 30% drop is bad news.

>>73854525
https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/ANYCOLOR-INC-137315116/news/ANYCOLOR-Inc-announces-an-Equity-Buyback-for-900-000-shares-representing-1-43-for-2-500-million-45598089/

All that money, pissed away.

>>73854208
>>73854711
I forgot to add that one of the main reason why investors would still rather buy anycolor stock than cover stock is that most of anycolor's revenue goes to the company while cover pays their vtubers and employees a ton of money.
If you're an investor, it's pretty clear which one you want to buy to earn money.

>>73852900
Still trying to think of a single downside

>>73855035
Bu that doesn't matter because neither of them gives dividends. What matters is the company growth.

>>73852900
god, fucking, please
I would kill for this board to be far slower than it is

>>73830495
>Maturity is when you realize
The value of a bond, which is not a shares. Stocks are held in perpetuity.

>>73854466
For the company itself it's just used to generate funds by issuing stocks. And then the stock price trajectory acts as a basic metric for how well the company is performing.

>>73830495
>>73830729
The IPO value is irrelevant.

>>73854466
The stock market is a jewish ponzi scheme
Hope this helps

>>73830495
Facts

>>73830495
Maturity is when you realize time is money and you're going to get YOUR MONEY WORTH

Maturity is when you start loving hags and chubby girls

lots of coping today

>>73830892
either that or a unicorn, equally worthless

>>73830495
Maturity is when you give up on the countless ignorant retards on the internet.

I don't believe any of you are real.

Cover's currently doing that thing that every terrible video game movie does, were they think that the original audience will watch no matter what just because of the brand so they try to appeal to any other audience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKFX-eYjqyg

>>73866323
They'll be fine as long as Yagoo stays CEO and A-chan a strong influence. If either leave then all bets are off.

>>73832766
Yagoo literally told shareholders to fuck off when they suggested to pay the talents less to match competitors in the industry (read: Nijisanji). No company is more based than Cover

>>73869406
That's the thing though, Cover is only partially public.

>>73830566
anon vcr is already like 4th season kekw

>>73830495
Delete /biz/.

>>73830495
why the fuck does it trade on a public market then
LMAOOOOOOOOO
fuck it, I’m hitting the cover Corp perp on 100x leverage tonight

>>73830566
grim