/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>73400733
they make my pp hard

>>73400733
These are my favorite ENs. Am I attracted to leaders?

>>73400733
Ame is my oshi. The rest are kinda meh.

>>73400733
>la creatividad
That burned out the same time with shork
>sex dancer rat
That plays catch up because homocollab
>absolute menhera sex design
Crushed expectations

>>73400733
My kamioshi, my Promise oshi and my advent oshi

>>73403720
>has multiple oshis
WHORE

>>73400733
Ame, Rat Ame, Dark Ame

faggots will call this cope, but I'm actually quite happy shiori isn't a full blown menhera, watch her regularly. Though i get that some people will never get used to her voice

>>73404658
Her voice isn't even bad, the complainers are third world coomers who wanted a white goth mommy

>>73400733

the actual leaders are kiara, irys, and fwmc

>>73400733
Yeah I would say so
But maybe fauna could fit the leader role also

>>73401109
She's still menhera, just the autist type.

>>73403772
>has no oshi
ftfy

>>73405194
lmao delusional

>>73405194
If IRyS is the leader Promise is headless. Nothing against her, she's fantastic. She's just not at all the girl boss.

Those are the ones I have the most trouble getting into, oddly enough.
I'm more of a Mori Kiara IRyS Mumei and Biboo kind of guy.
Gura and Fauna aren't that bad either.
Amelia was peak during 'A Way Out' but the other two I just feel like I'd fight with/bully them and I have better ways to spend my night watching Vtubers.

>>73405194
IRyS is the protagonist, not the leader.

>>73407363
Her story literally fucking died and was pitied to be added in Council

>>73403809
Bae is nothing like Ame. Shiori is opposite Ame though

>>73400733
forced thread

>>73400733
Ame started off good, ruined by homos, now she's as lazy as the shark. Bae was a DOA cocksleeve, the runt forever until the JPs boosted her up a bit. Still a shitter. Shiori was DOA because she was a fucking idiot that tanked her debut. None of them are leaders in any way, Kiara and Mori trample all over Ame in collabs, Bae just whines in her "I just woke up" bitch voice non stop, and Shiori tries to act all elitist or just stays silent.

>>73410590
You sound mad as fuck, is gargling homos on your brain really that fun?

>>73410702
>no argument
so you know he's right?
also nice projection, faggot

>>73405194
IRyS is definitely not the leader, she had to be requested to be added to Council by Bae. I've never seen her tardwrangle the others either. IRyS has said that she's the type to join collabs when invited, not arrange them

>>73410702
sorry anon, I think the only one gargling any homos is you. I have nothing against those 3, but facts are facts

>>73410802
As opposed to his non-argument? you can tell this son of a bitch hasn't watched Shiori or Bae in ages and is still regurgitating catalog shit

>>73410590
*cums on him*
Now YOU are the homo

>>73400733
La creatividad of EN
Idol of EN
The zatsu queen of EN

>>73400733
You just know Kiara would be in full meltdown at people not thinking that SHE is the leader

>>73400733
I like them a lot. I wish Ame's relatives fuck off so she can be in the right headspace to stream again.

>>73410938
>still not refuting the claims
so you do know he's absolutely 100% correct right? unless you'd like to present some evidence to why he's not

>>73411355
You really love that anon don't you? I'll pay for the hotel fees, it's on me

>>73400733
From left to right:
Most salty gamer to least salty gamer.

>>73411421
spread boypussy with timestamp and then we can talk

>>73411545
Of course the faggot outs himself

successful bait thread, these are the rock bottom of their gens

>>73411636
>projection
lol
lmao even

>>73400733
Ame hasn't been protagonist in a year. Kiara sets up pretty much every collab involving Myth and has taken over the leadership role.

>>73400733
Mumei is undeniably the protagonist of Promise;

Look - she's not my favorite either... but that's the way it is, and you know it.

>>73413927
a paraplegic can't be a protagonist

>>73415938
Johnny Joestar...

>>73404921
It doesn't match the model at all, though.

>>73400733
Mumei's CouncilRyS'/Promie's protag
>>73405194
Fauna's the "genuine" leader of CounilRyS/Promise if MC is anything to go by

>>73400733
>>73405194
The leaders are Kiara, and Bijou. They set up all the collabs.
Promise doesn't have a leader which is why nothing gets done until their managers get involved. Myth would be the exact same if it wasn't for Kiara.

>>73422401
i feel like biboo is more of the protagonist of advent, but not sure about who the leader of advent would be in her place

>>73421688
Did we watch the same Ender dragon fight stream? she had a breakdown because she can't tardwrangle her genmates

>>73422729
Because their tard power is too powerful

>>73422729
Yeah. She was the wrangler. That was pretty much the point
Just got reminded of the Wither stream too

>lets out the retards who project their protagonist syndrome into their oshi, the thread
No my oshi is the leader because I only watch her streams, and I completely ignore when she talks about other members to satisfy my fantasies

>>73418732
Ive membered since day 1. Its just not what we expected but shes every bit the Addams Family-esque weirdo I ever could have wanted

>>73403809
Bae is Rat Kiara. If anyone from Council is Ame, it's Moom or Fauna

>>73405773
>>73403772
Western retards with no understanding of idol culture thinking oshi means their girlfriend

>>73405194
IRyS isn't the leader of anything

>>73421688
>a raid in minecraft, a videogame makes you a leader
No, arranging collabs and tradwrangling the others makes you a leader

>>73423426
she's a failure at leading thats what she is

>>73424400
My point was more of the thing you said not exactly what you took away from what I said
>>73424606
A(n arguably) bad leader (if you can even blame her for the others being the others) is still a leader

>>73424878
Once again, leading others in videogames doesn't make her a leader

>>73424606
Irys forgot how to walk in a straight line. You can lead a reard to water but you cant stop her from drowning herself trying to drink

>>73424933
I never said that. It's not really about the game. You're focusing too much on that. It's more the dynamic about her being the one to pretty much step and and no else really.
Of course it is just a game and things could easily be different in any other situation but going of of what I've seen from a long time ago, it's good enough compared to everyone else
I'd bring up WolfQuest if I could remember more but it's kind of the same thing and not really the point

>>73425200
>being the one to pretty much step and no else really
Once again, you are incorrect. Most of Promise's collabs (full group) are handled by Bae

>>73425200
what the fuck did she do besides that ender dragon fight?

I love Ame and will wait for her to return, like Goku

>>73405194
If you are talking about numbers then you got your data mixed up.

>>73425341
Kek. No they're handled by their managers pretty much dragging them to the collab. And it's always a merch shilling stream. Bae just sometimes decides what they'll do.

>>73410938
I don't watch their solo streams, but I endure them in collabs, and that's how they act every damn time. Bae does her I'm ttiiiiirrred brooooo whiney cunt voice the whole time, and Shiori is either a ghost or a know-it-all.

>>73425587
Its the prime time for her to come back now that she has her Vegeta to compete for who goes beyond in la creatividad

>>73425657
This just proved that you don't watch collabs at all, the "erm actually" of advent is literally Nerissa, and she is also the one who gets quiet, just literally watch todays collab

>>73425341
No one else... during the moments of context I was specifically addressing... Again not what I was even saying
>>73425558
I'm not even saying this is definitive. I'm just going off immediate memory

>>73400733
I forgot Mori was not supposed to be the leader of Myth?, Ame is kind of the one who just got them together and then Gura became the glue (lorewise).

>>73425642
Not really
See picrel where Bae storyboarded their Choreography for the Promise formation stream
She was also responsible for both funding the kitchen studio and instructing the management for making arrangements for the baking offcollab they had
She was also responsible for commissioning all the assets for the GOI tournament and sneaking-in IRyS last minute into the lineup
She was responsible for handling last year's Ministry april fools collab
Just to name a few things

>>73423949
Sure, if you want t be that retard putting words in peoples' mouths.

>>73425881
>Baelz knows the terminology of cinematography
Respect gained.

>>73400733
Funnily enough, only the rrat has enough leadership skills to be the respective front runners of her generation. Meanwhile.
>Mori can get and hold the group together better and less hectic than Watson
>Shiori gets mogged in social skills by Nerissa and Biboo.
The only downside to chaos is that she freaks easily to the point someone else has to drive the conversation in some occasions.

>>73400733
OP here. Sorry I meant to post Gura, Fauna and Biboo.

>>73426155
>Biboo
sure, debatable
>Gura, Fauna
LOL LMAO RUMAO KEKAROO

>>73425881
>Choreography
That's kind of her whole thing but everything else is good enough me, outside of her personality when it comes to getting work done in general (which I guess it's up to the individual if they want to attribute that to "leadership" or not)

>>73425881
M = mumei
B = bae
I = irys
F = fauna
R = rronii?

>>73426148
>Mori can get and hold the group together better and less hectic than Watson
This is a joke right? The last time Gura and Ame showed up for something Mori organized was more than a year ago.
They also haven't one on one collabed in two years.

>>73426247
Her Rs look like Ks and vice versa

>>73400733
La creatividad
La creatividad (forma de sexo)
La creatividad (forma de autismo)

>>73426148
Bae singlehandedly pitched the Australia concert to management and it's happening. Council collabs are over

>>73426148
All those Shiori comments are from like the first months when she clearly was kinda nervous from the environment, even then all the girls explicitely called her the leader saying how much she does behind the scenes (but people need to watch streams to know that). Nowadays she has been actually pretty talkative in collabs and has a lot of shit organized for the future. Also saying Nerissa has social skills is kinda funny when even in Advent collabs she hides in the corner.

>>73400733
>>73422401
You can think of advent as the scooby doo gang of EN.
>shiori the fred
The official leader and center, but shows no traits for it. Definitely not the main character either. Also the most boring.
>nerissa the daphne
Miss fanservice. Tied with the fred as the most boring. Definitely no leader or main character.
>joe the velma
The competent nerd who's the actual leader of the group and had many fans because of it. But she's not quite main character.
>fuwawa the shaggy
One of the two main characters who hangs out with the scooby in their own little world. Sometimes joined by the velma.
>mococo the scooby
Straight up mascot of the gang. Weird pronounciations and memeable personality make the scooby a bit more famous than the shaggy, but both of them are without a doubt the main characters despite not being the leaders

>>73400733
That's not Kiara, Mumei and Bijou, silly OP.

>>73427024
It actually shocks me that people (pebbles) really think this shit about Biboo when all she does is literally repeat what others say (mainly her chat) and play games, she is not a nerd and not even close to being clever

>>73427193
>Post is about all of advent
>reply to only shitpost about Biboo
Very natural seethe, guess the others aren't important enough to make bad posts about

Only "real" protagonist here is Ame. Mumei overshadows Bae in almost every aspect, and Nerissa is arguably the true representative of Advent.

>>73427371
Not disagreeing but why do you think Nerissa?
I've kind of been going back and forth on her

>>73427371
By overshadow you mean she's completely blended in the shadows? Cause if I ask around, people don't know shit about mumei except just being there, sometimes.

>>73427331
>pointing out the huge stretch
if you wanted me to call you retard in more detail you can just ask nicely, you can like a person for what they represent instead of making random bullshit in your head

>>73427193
>literally repeat what others say (mainly her chat) and play games, she is not a nerd and not even close to being clever
you could argue she's the average gamer girl jane doe, but the bar with the rest of EN is so low that she's one of the smartest in comparison. In game-related advent collabs she's usually the one with the most awareness and control.

>>73426375
mucho muy buena toma anónimo

>>73400733
>Watson
>Leader
Haha... aaaaaha... aahahahahahahahaha

>>73427485
Ah yes, Bae, the viewers queen of her gen.

>>73427484
By discard, honestly. Biboo is just there, Fuwamoco are their own thing, and calling Shiori the leader of anything is an overreach.

>>73428044
Nerissa is literally just punching the clock as of now. You want to talk about someone being "just there" it's her. I don't think there's a single person in holo EN that seems to think of streaming as a job more than her and EN has fucking Gura in it. At least the 2 gura streams a year, she pretends to be excited.
Nerissa just gets pissed at backseaters, streams for 2 hours, then leaves.

>>73405194
>low numbers even with strict idol tendencies
>less originals as the signature Vsinger than the gangster reaper
>inflated bot views
Interesting selection, but i guess "As long as it isn't Gura and Mumei" still rings about in the hololive general

>>73428170
Delusional

This thread and not knowing what a leader is, a more well made duo than FuwaMoco

>>73428170
This might be one of the stupidest posts I've ever read.

>>73428170
If you actually want someone who treats it nothing more than a job, look no further than Fauna

>>73428435
This but your oshi

>>73428464
It's true tho?

>>73428435
Nah, even if Fauna streams sporadically, she at least seems to like streaming when she's actually doing it. Nerissa just gets mad at her chat while doing her 1 solo stream a week then goes off to do another 5 collabs to fill out her schedule.

>>73428464
>>73428514
Nerrisa makes pretty frequent music with the money she gets from her fans. Fauna does NOTHING with it. It all belongs to her, every single penny. She's here to stream, provide entertainment, earn her paycheck and nothing more which is why she is the one to treat it like a job

>>73428565
I'm the your oshi comment and I was just making fun of the majority of comments that just say random names, don't need to stress about it

>>73422401
advent girls themselves said that it's Shiori that organizes things and is leader

>>73428514
Fauna didn't fly to Japan for fes and refused to have a 3D concert.
Nerissa actually went to Japan and signed all her standees even though unlike Fauna she didn't have to.

>>73428647
If you read the thread you will see that people here don't watch streams

If Nerissa likes her job then why does she collab outside of hololive so much?

>>73428773
Using that retarded logic, Suisei, Aki, Choco, Robocco, Laplus, etc absolutely hate their job.

>>73428835
>Laplus
Oh nononononono.
I actually find her entertaining, but she clearly isn't too fond of the culture.

>>73428835
Anon... You picked the worst examples to defend your point I think I've ever seen.

This thread is all over the place. The real question is what is a leader?? It can be a leader who organize collabs, a leader who guides the collab, leading in supa, leading in average views, leading in subs, a leader who carries when the conversation isn't flowing, a leader they can rely on during games, a leader they get advice from, etc. Everyone is a leader, leading in different domains. In my own perspective, those three are doing good, not exactly perfect but still good!

>>73428666
fauna has a steady income. nerissa is new and does the poor holo work. she traveled to see kiara.
bae does lots of collabs, just many outside of her gen. like the watame collab this week.
i watch the shiori stream in advent collabs. it is the best one.

>>73403772
That's not what oshi means

>>73405194
Going by their group performances, IRyS is more of the ace / center of Promise, not leader. Those are different roles / positions

>>73424022
IRyS is the leader in my sperm count kills

>>73410590
>Ame started off good
>Shiori was DOA because she was a fucking idiot that tanked her debut
Do you even remember Ame's debut? Fucking goldfish brain. Not even talking shit on Ame but god damn her debut was a trainwreck because she was half asleep and 12/10 anxiety levels.
>Err but Shirori made a vague comment about collab partners but then never actually collabed with any males
Grow the fuck up god damn

>>73428835
>Laplus
Anon please

>>73430170
Based

>>73430210
It wasn't about males, it was her friends like Pending.
She even had a video planned to do with them because she plans things like a month in advance.
Luckily the backlash was so loud not just here but outside of here, she didn't actually do anything.

>>73430210
Nigga, Ame could have done coke onstream and passed out during her debut and it still wouldn't have affected her numbers. Fact is that regardless of what Shiori actually meant it was interpreted by the people who actually show up to watch streams as her saying she'd collab with males. Making it the worst debut ever because she is OBJECTIVELY the worst performing EN ever (including Sana) and it will take a fucking miracle to undo it.
Regardless how you feel about it some people won't watch her because of that single statement.

>>73403772
yup

>>73430730
Oh so you guys are just number fags. Ok opinions discarded

>>73431981
>Shiori's debut wasn't the worst
>Explain why even her first few streams post debut didn't do well compared to every other EN?
>FUCK YOU

>>73423949
>>73425889
People misunderstand "oshi" as "waifu", if anything.

>>73405194
Kiara was the heart of Myth, not the leader. But you could argue that she's growing into the leader role now that Ame has mostly checked out of Hololive and her tech knowledge is no longer needed as much.

>>73432097
Worst at what? Achieving numbers? Ok.
Personally I don't need numbers to factor into my decision of whether something is quality or not.
Go back to numberfag general if thats what you care about.

>>73418732
I always thought it matched just fine, and that a deeper mommy voice wouldn't have fit as well.

>>73405194
I think of Irys as more of a Green Ranger archetype.

>>73430170
>>73430348
It's the middle of the day. I'm not going to take time out of it just to coom to Irys. I'm definitely not going to... I absolutely won't...

>>73403772
This is DD country, bitch. Get used to it.

>>73400733
I feel like I’d give protagonist status to Biboo over Shiori, the others are fine though

>>73400733
wait since when was Bae the "leader?"

>>73434313
Biboo, albeit being the gamer that she is, doesn't have it to be a leader as far as her interactions i have seen. It's not a bad thing per se since everyone have roles to fill and i'm sure she'll do well if a leader role is pushed to her but she isn't an inherent leader.

>>73433799
While I'm on the Power Ranger topic
>Red
Mori
Fauna
Nerissa
>Blue
Kiara
Mumei
Shiori
>Pink
Ina
Kronii
Fuwawa
>Yellow
Ame
Bae
Mococo
>Green
Gura
Irys
Bijou
>Black
Sana

>verification not required

>>73427024
Who is the Scrappy Doo of Advent then?

>>73434840
Mori

>>73434664
>Sana
lol

>>73422637
No, there is a difference, Biboo is the friend who is decent at games, but isn't entirely wanting to teach. She wants to go hog wild, and we see it in every full Advent collab with her thirst for mayhem, she ain't the one to rope in FWMC, she jumps in the mud with them. Its Shiori and Nerissa that organize when things descend into madness, if anything, Shiori is the leader amongst rebel girls, so not a leader per se but an organizer, but Advent is a gen of deviant otaku girls who've got a limiter going on their powerlevel. Advent more has Shiori as leader and Nerissa as acting lieutenant to her.

>>73434556
While I don’t think leadership is necessarily a requirement to fill the protagonist role, it’s kind of impossible to tell who the leader is until Advent actually gets tested. A problem that Advent has is they’re all just kind of content staying in their own lane, while I think they’re fun I don’t think they’re as entertaining together compared to when they collab outside their gen. If push comes to shove I see Biboo being the glue that holds them all together, it doesn’t necessarily take a leader to accomplish that.

>>73400733
You got one of them right, probably by accident

>>73436110
>If push comes to shove I see Biboo being the glue that holds them all together

Everyone fills out that role in some form or another, Shiori with tech, Biboo with game mechanics, Nerissa helps with music and lyrics behind the scenes as seen with FWMC going to her for Let Me Be With You and Nerissa doing the lyrics for the Halloween collab song. They are individuals that like each other and come together as needed.

>>73430210
>Once you go black, you do not go back

>>73400733
>ame
ame was the realistic GFE of any chuuba
she talks about random shit that you couldn't care less about like rocks and moss and gets mad at you for no good reason, exactly like a real girlfriend
>rat
i hate zoomers i hate loud
she's okay, but not to my tastes i almost never watch
>shiori
the final boss of yap
the real experience of having a girlfriend
better block off the whole afternoon because she's going to yap about random shit and not accomplish anything for the next few hours
10/10 best protagonist

>>73438801
Shoot, I enjoy Shiori and Nerissa's yap, guess that means I'll have more BF points. Don't even ignore it, I can listen to yap for hours.

>>73432097
She was sabotaged by the sisters with the "respect my collab choices" which she didn't actually say in her debut.

>>73440210
She did say
>>73438016

>>73440368
So what? It was a harmless joke. If you want to make that into a yab then you're really reaching for straws

>>73440368
I distinctly remember faggots making a big deal out of this when it was just a dumb joke she made during her insect stream, since black came up.

>>73434499
since forever? her old bio literally says the chairman of council so she was forced to tardwrangle a bunch of nerds on the internet with anti social behaviour

>>73400733
All of them are the most breedable

>>73400733
I'm busy improving myself, for Bae hate her screams and I think she could be pretty good singer if she stopped using her deep voice which just sounds forced, Shiori is nice

>>73400733
What does protagonist even mean here? Pretty much all gens in hololive kind of split into their own things after debut, you cant really be the main star of a group that completely do their own things.
The closest I can think of to someone trying to lead and group cohesion on the EN side is Kiara, and even then she gave that up a long time ago.

>>73400733
>Myth
They have o protagonist, it's an ensemble cast. Many episodes are centered on specific characters, particularly Gura and Mori.

>Council
Kronii is the protagonist and everyone else are mere background props for her to shine.

>Advent
Shiori was meant as the protagonist, but Biboo gets the most screentime due to popular demand.


>Promish
Council got reworked into a two-person comedy troupe with Kronii and Irys, alongside their lesbian sex toys.

>>73405194
>the actual leaders are kiara, irys, and fwmc
Those are the comic relief of each wave. Basically play the role of Scooby and Shaggy.

>>73442711
t. kronie

>>73400733
I think we can safely say Irys is the leader of Project: HOPE, but I might need a second opinion on that.

>>73403772
Men can't be whores.

>>73428931
The leader is someone who organized projects, knows technical stuff, helps others and can order people around. Ame fits into the role but Bae doesn't because she isn't bossy, which is why Fauna is often seen as the leader of Promise instead. Shiori is the most experienced member of Advent, but she seems acts more like a maverick, and Bio is the one who takes the lead in organizing and ordering people around.

>>73442781
Scooby and Shaggy are the only important characters

>>73442946
Well, she was. I sure did enjoy the P:H group song from CtW.

>>73443296
Velma and Fred are the ones who actually solve the case.

>>73442781
Comic relief is bae. Her mv views make me laugh every time

>>73400733
>Ame
The least likely leader of the bunch and an autistic introvert who despises attention that still steps forward in times of need and shoulders the burden, like a true protagonist.
>Bae
Hard worker but being physically across the ocean from majority of her genmates huts and made her presence much less noticeable.
>Shiori
Similar personality as Ame but much higher functioning, especially in front of the crowd. Unlike Ame though she would wear the leader title proudly, whether for the better or worse.

>>73400733
>bae
lol

>>73400733
It seems to be a recurring theme that the "leader" has good work ethic, with viewership on the lower end of their group. Yes, I know people are going to meme about "work ethic" with Ame, but I really did like all her work coordinating the 3D stuff before Hololive finally introduced the official 3D models.

They all seem to personally dismiss the notion that they're the unofficial leader of their group lore-wise. At the end of the day, they're just anime girls streaming to sweaty men and some sweaty women. Stream, have fun, and please be humble. Thanks.

>>73411234
She's pushed that Ame is the leader multipe times.

>>73400733
I assume this is lore based but even then, the only actual leaders in hololive would be Bae and Laplus / Lui in that case.

>>73447369
It's at least true from a lore perspective I guess

>The HoloEN leader trifecta, always the ones leading projects and making innovations
Kino

>>73447369
>>73454820
see>>73425881

>>73405194
>FWMC
They barely even collab with their own genmates, hell, Mumei or Fauna are more leaders of Advent than they are.

>>73456121
Yeah I already read that and didn't really disagree with most of the points aside from choreo since that's kind of her area already. I was just being generous

>>73404921
It IS bad, though, your ears are just defective.

>>73427024
>The competent nerd who's the actual leader of the group and had many fans because of it.

Velma was far from the actual leader of the group. She was book smart sure, but she got kidnapped or stumbled into danger just as much if not moreso than Daphne. Horny nerds project way too many qualities onto Velma that she doesn't actually have.

>>73418732
Meh. At first it wasn't what I was expecting but then I got used to it. I think it's a fine fit

>>73400733
Well I guess one thing to consider is if "protagonist" is from a general narrative/story/lore-wise perspective or not
If so, then Ame, Mumei and Shiori for essentially being the most human, and generally the least powerful but being in that perfect spot of having the most room to grow in terms of character and abilities
That being said, Bae would narratively be the leader of Council (at least lore-wise) but like her bio says, with a hands off approach since "protag" and leader" aren't primarily the same role. Shiori was at least the canonical mastermind behind Advent's prison escape
Realistically, she might be though unless you think Bae's just a general hard worker that just gets deferred sometimes. It really depends on how decisions are made between these groups and are assigned with sense of trust and responsibility or if it's just "Hey guys, Imma do this." "'Kay." and that's it, since being a go-getter could be a good trait to have as a leader but might not necessarily make them one. Guess Mori kind of like how Mori's "the hard working one" who definitely gets out there but might not be seen as the leader
Realistically, Ame would've been if she stayed the same but Ame's practically out of commission for the most part so it's hard to see her as leader despite I Kiara considering her the leader at least once iirc, so maybe Kiara might since I think she handles most collabs, the Kiara wrangling EN Discord leak and HoloTori too I guess
There are different kinds of leaders and I do think one aspect of leader ship is assuming the role in a field of equal footing/in a circumstance where one clearly isn't more experienced than the others and is obligated to lead because of that, or a thing being their idea or anything like that so I guess for Council/Promise I guess I could also see Fauna since it most collabs (not just between Council/Promise) she does tend to provide actual direction and focus for the group and tends to actually want to stick to the objective. Whether you think she wrangles well or not is up to debate but at the end of the day she's still a wrangler too. Of course games are games but they do give us dynamic for what it's worth so that might be leader mentality and give more of a feel of having the personality best suited for a leader where someone like Bae (for me at least) has many good traits for a leader on paper but just doesn't "feel" like one
If you wanna go the "group dynamic" route the in collabs for Advent then maybe Shiori or Nerissa. I don't take it too seriously but it was funny for Shiori to dip that MC collab and see the rest of Advent destroy themselves soon after. Advent mostly stays in their own lane but iirc Advent has said that Shiori pretty much organizes most things so I'd probably pick her
In terms of who has the "protag vibe" realistically would probably be who probably just wants to become the best idol, I suppose. for Myth, Mori, initially not being fond of her idea of idols, might have the best "story" I guess and she is going out and doing stuff for the brand and Bae is quite similar. You can feel how much she wants this with how hard she works. I won't ignore Kiara either since since she's quite similar to Mori but more in an idol sense as opposed to overall music. For Advent, I'd actually go Biboo since she has that "upstart with big shoes to fill" vibe. She isn't necessarily good but with each karaoke and all the practice she does in between them, she is improving so she has the most "protagonist feel to her"

TL;DR
>Lore-wise protagonist
Ame, Mumei, Shiori
>Lore-wise leader
Ame, Bae, Shiori
>Realistically leader
Kiara, Fauna, Shiori
(Wouldn't disagree with swapping Bae for Fauna)
>Realistically protagonist
Mori, Bae, Biboo
(I know Kiara has a similar story to Mori but she has less of the vibe to me)

>>73459597
Is it really unfitting? I swear when I look at her, I was thinking Harley Quinn vibes, not some mature yan voice. Her stature seemed like a bookish, unhinged, spritely girl. She has a deep enough cadence that it should be fine either way. Just now you also have goofy, earthly chuckles which should be cute.

>>73460208
No, I was basically saying it was fitting but I just had an expectation due to "get me pregnant" and all that. And yes it's also cute

>>73428931
Thread is all over the place since some people lump leader in with protagonist. Plus there's the lore angle and the reality angle too. Lots of them do have things they can be good at in their own respect, but I suppose one factor would definitely be the energy they exude in a general group dynamic with their gen due to varying leadership styles
>>73443292
I guess there can be different types of leaders but I kind of agree with that Fauna take. I also forgot to take Shiori's experience in vtubing into account

>>73443028
They can once the body count hits 140 roughly speaking