/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>73331518
She ain't ready for the barrage of Hate comments on her way lol.

>>73331886
There won't be any realistically speaking

>>73331886
the niji bots will drown them out

Exactly 2 months from the black stream huh

>2 month stealth suspension

>only 2 month suspension for severely damaging the company image

>>73331518
>nothing has ever happened
last time nijisanji pretended that it's stock got -700.

>>73331886
It's what she deserves for being a corporate puppet.

>>73331886
Don't give them views, starve them to death.

>>73334756
Ah, but i wanna let them know their sins directly.

>>73331886
Only 1 year subs can send messages.

>>73331518
I fucking hope so. Just don't fucking attack anyone this time and we're cool.

>>73332887
Well she said on stream that it was management approved and reviewed by lawyers. If true terminating her would be considered "wrongful termination" and she'll sue them to the bank.

>>73331518
>there are no suspensions in NijiEN

>>73335402
Unlikely, and a bad sword to fall on. If the lawyer grifts demonstrated anything, it's the fairly clear conclusion that anykara can and absolutely would make it a long, costly, and painful process for all parties involved; throw in that Elira isn't japanese, and you already have a judicial system working against her by default, and this isn't even considering the fact that she is (allegedly) trapped in Japan, which makes it easier to trap her in some sort of dumb countersuit, where we end up doing the above loop again, possibly concurrently.

>>73331518
I love my big sis Elira, I want to suffocate in her big sweaty tits

>>73331518
She's back from her three-week-long scissor session

I'm guessing she was on paid-vacation and now that the money is over she needs to start streaming again

>>73336674
>nijisanji
>paid anything

>>73331886
My bet she will put 3-5 months sub for the chat...

>>73338345
Oh there absolutely will be a minimum sub time, and it absolutely will be long enough that only people who were subbed to her before Selen got fired will be able to comment (so not less than 10 weeks). We just don't know how long the limit will be, and won't know until she opens up the waiting room.
The bigger question will be what words besides "Selen" and "Tatsuki" and "Dokibird" have been added to the auto-ban word filter.

>>73331518
>Returns basically on the dot after two months
wow she was actually hard-suspended for the blackbox stream.
anyone expecting drama from this return is a retard though. chat will be restricted to 6+ month subscribers and members only and almost all the upset longtime fans like myself bailed the moment she did the blackbox stream.
elira managed to grift the entire community for over two years with a fake comfy girl persona that was all but flawless in its execution, even managing to avoid absolutely every single drama her close friends started over that time (of which there were many).
she knows how to and will be avoiding anything that can set off drama.

>>73338851
The key difference is that now the mask has started to crack, if not shattered completely
She can use all the tape and glue, but it won't change the fact that the mask has been destroyed

>>73338787
“UKI”, “WHITE PEOPLE”, “FINANA”, “DOKI”, “BIRD”, “DOKIBIRD”, “NIJISISTERS”, “MANAGEMENT”, “GURRAT” and last but not least “FALSE”

>>73332887
Doki is the only one that did that, Elira did nothing wrong but go out there and puppet the words management fed her. She was trying to be a loyal soldier, nothing more

>>73340975
You forgot "selen" kek

>>73339899
what mask you fucking retard? gee which is real, the exact same harmless, goofy, comfy person she has been every single stream for years, or 1 (one) ONE management-forced damage control spin stream? Seems pretty obvious

>>73331919
This, instead she will get sub 2k ccv on a return stream

>>73341054
Selen used to do that too and look where that got her.

>>73340975
Id add “shame” or “yikes” or maybe even “L” as well

>>73341236
you could say the same thing about selen though. she literally got fired over a video she paid out of pocket to promote nijisanji as a whole and embody unity, and yet people are still crying how she's a traitorous menhera.

>>73340975
imagine getting banned for saying "don't listen to the false accusations" lol

>>73341396
that's different, I'd be completely sympathetic if she just did what Sayu did. Take your lumps, wait out your non-compete period, then talk all the shit you want. Don't fucking fake suicide for pity to scam people into flocking to you to show support, that's bottom of the barrel shit. There's nothing lower than suiciding baiting attention whore grifters. Really, over an MV? gonna jump off a roof for that??

>>73340975
*sigh*

>>73341054
Bootlickers deserve no pity

>>73341746
She didn't fake her suicide though. She has medical records and Nijisanji directly acknowledge it as real.
You know who DID fake his own death for money though?

elira pedorra pprrrrrrr

>>73342097
there's suicide attempt then there's 'suicide attempt' taking an extra 5 aspirin =/= shooting yourself in the head

>>73342202
god I love her so much

>>73343324
Which camp would faking a terminal illness directly after a community member dies of cancer and funneling money into a donation page for several months before leaving the internet for 5 years, causing the community to grieve so badly that the game they were known for renamed a weapon in their honor... until 3 years later when it was found out that they never were sick in the first place, and upon exposure they went "haha sorry it was just a joke don't you think it's funny no refunds btw"

>>73332887
Only??? That's the longest suspension in the history of the branch

I feel less like Elira is going address the Black Screen and Selen directly than do some kind of vague PR peptalk about NijiUnity especially now that several Iluna members have open up or upon their PLs about leaving, which should come around June.

>>73343479
damn who pulled off that one? top tier grifting

selen lied desu

>>73341396
She got fired because she refused to come back to work and threatened to go public with the dox doc. Nijisanji weren't even angry about the video, it was Selen throwing a hissy fit over it and claiming it's bullying to force her to ask for perms before publishing it.

>>73343659
Sonny. There's some fun stuff in the archives.
It's completely laughable that they were using HIM to attack Selen over "faking a suicide." Sisters got blown out so far that people were reaching into the wayback archives to prove that the donation button was still active up to and after his "death."

>>73343798
She got fired because she wanted a quiet termination and Nijisanji said "No, we want to smear you and ruin your career instead. Thanks for the 3 years, chump!"

>>73343659
Sonny. You never heard of it?

>>73343798
Holy revisionism. Retardchama, niji wouldn't have made that slanderous termination post if they knew Selen was collecting receipts.

>>73331958
Belo jogo!

>>73341236
>management-forced

>>73344021
They talk about it in the termination announcement and then more in-depth in Elira's stream few hours later.

>>73331886
I just wonder how can anyone have the audacity to condemn her in her own chat, who do you think you are? A sinless being who has never hurt others? Lol

>>73343933
This part I agree with you, they should have just let her go.
Based on the termination notice they wanted Selen to clear up the confusion about the video. Now they ahve bigger problems.

>>73344673
NTA but let me get your series of events straight, from your perspective

>Some dispute between Selen and management happens
>Selen threatens them with serious information breaches if they don't comply to her demands
>Niji retorts with the termination letter, black video, etc, etc
>Selen now has even more reason to go full scorched earth since there's no chance of negotiation any more and Niji has played their hand
>For some reason...she doesn't?

>>73344862
>you are not allowed to call out shitty behaviour which hasn't been repented for unless you're literally Jesus Christ

So why are you calling out others for shitty behaviour? Are you Jesus?

>>73344862
You can scream you were just following orders all you want. You’re still getting the rope.

>>73344877
clearing up the confusion itself was always a bizarre choice. If it really was just a simple internal permissions issue, the proper response would've been to let it slide and reprimand her in private after the fact rather than gutting the video's growth. Even if it was entirely her fault, it's a FAR better take to simply say something obscure like "unavoidable issues" rather than absolutely requiring the talent to take the blame away from management. They had eight million ways to get out of this without doing what they did, and they somehow picked the absolute worst option beyond ACTUALLY trying to sue her for piracy.

She won’t be retarded enough to acknowledge the situation or antis in any way right? That’s my only question.

>>73335402
>Elira is management
>Her head so far up her own ass she thinks her assessment is the equivalent of a lawyer's with years of experience
Woopsy daisy

>>73344862
I've never harassed someone to suicide, then attempted to continue that harassment live in front of thousands of people, yes.

>>73344967
So you find me out eh? You'll never take me alive

>>73344877
There really wasn't any confusion about the video. Everyone knew it was management perms autism from the get-go and management didn't like the heat directed at them.
Niji could have made an official statement on their own twitter account and outlined their policy and explain how their hands were tied and they were very sad about the outcome but copyright, respect, blah blah. It wouldn't have gone over great but it's infinitely better than what they have now.

>>73331518
Niji thriving, Holokeks in shambles

why has this grifter sonny guy not been run off the internet

>>73341054
>I was just following orders

Imagine if Elira and Vox actually stood down in solidarity with Selen like Vox said he wanted to do. Their indie careers would have shot through the roof alongside Doki but instead they shot themselves in the foot and have basically been blacklisted outside of their bubbles.

>>73345176
>management didn't like the heat directed at them.
Indeed. Elira, Millie and Enna didn't like it.

>>73345278
Basically nobody outside of Niji likes him and he's kept afloat by the Niji brand, he'll end up like Kyo if he ever leaves because Nijisisters are only loyal to the company

>>73341236
>you're not my friends, but i love you, but you're not my friends
>bullying uber drivers with enna and millie
>literally every little slip up she's ever had with her inhibitions down due to alcohol.

>>73345278
For some reason he makes a fuckton of money on his birthday and at no other times
It's bizarre but completely consistent.

>>73344881
She probably wants to leave it behind like she said in her first stream back. Also she might not have evidence of any bullying, it's the dox that Elira and co were worried about if she went public. Like if the bullying was just a manager forcing her to get perms for the video and Selen feeling like she gets singled out compared to others.

There's not gonna be too many antis in the chat. She'll have it on subscribers only mode with a minimum of over 2 months, there will be slow mode for non-membership subscribers (at least 30s, possibly as much as 2 minutes), and the chat will be more heavily moderated than a SCIF.
Most streamers worth their salt have an automod that times out anyone who types a message with words on a naughty list, and Elira (....'s manager and/or staff-san) will personally make sure that words like "Selen" and "Tatsuki" are added to that list. This is in addition to the human moderators who will time out or outright ban anyone who even hints that anything bad happened over the past 10 weeks or so.

tldr her chat will be a heavily curated hugbox

>>73345472
>>73345630
good to know he's starving at least

>>73345632
why would they be worried about a dox if Selen said that it only had her own personal information in it? Selen should be the one worried about dox, considering how they mishandled the legal document.

>>73345632
>probably
>might
So no actual reasoning to your thinking

> Like if the bullying was just a manager forcing her to get perms for the video and Selen feeling like she gets singled out compared to others.
We all know this is horseshit given we know that Vox and Luca especially are given extremely lenient treatment

>>73345674
literally 20% of his superchats since debut came from his 3 birthday streams. I'm not kidding. It's actually insane.

>>73345638
People will always figure out ways around filters. Unless she's going to also censor words like dragon, tomato, purple, lizard, etc.

>>73345777
According to Elira in the post-termination stream there was. I don't know where Selen said that, but it doesn't seem accurate based on what went down.

>>73345987
https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1757763627413631383
>The document mentioned was at first made to document my thoughts and history with evidence so that my lawyer can see the general picture of what was going on, and if there were issues that should be addressed. It was first made during my darkest time mentally and I wrote everything on my mind little by little at that time. I made the document thinking that it was never going to be public to anyone but to my lawyer. Although it was a document filled with my personal information as well privacy information that should not be public, there were no other addresses or specific locations mentioned.

>>73335874
I think it's not so much trapped in Japan as it is that she WANTS to stay in japan and her only shot at a stable work visa is to keep herself in Anycolor's good graces

>>73345322
Sometimes you have to have principles, I wouldn't have stood by that lying grifter either after she threw every single person in nijiEN under the bus, even ones that had nothing to do with her. You really think Vivi or Petra or whoever deserved to be endlessly bullied and anti'd by fagoons?

I genuinely still can't figure out if sisters are actually mentally insane or just really hungry trolls

>>73346102
she put down all her schizo ramblings because she didn't think she'd ever have to show receipts

>>73345945
Like I said, human moderators. The word filter won't be their only means of banning anyone who shows even the slightest bit of support for Doki, or even the slightest bit of opposition to Anycolor management.
I don't know if she'd be able to add tomato or trophy emojis to the word filter, but the presence of human moderators means that that wouldn't be necessary.

>>73346176
>baitusedtobebelievable.jpg

>>73346245
Have you never seen how crazy kpop fans are i.e. hardcore fanbases largely comprised of underaged girls? Same shit

>>73346102
Alright fair. It is word against word then. I don't think Elira reacts like that on the stream if there truly wasn't any dox there.
I don't think Selen actually would have doxed them and the Nijis misunderstood the meaning of the letter.

>>73346245
they're not insane, just impressionable and dumb

>>73346102
Its worth noting the precise wording of what elira said is in fact awfully weak given the magnitude of the statement being implied. that it puts them 'at risk of doxxing' and it 'Alludes' to where she lives, which is the exact kind of snakelike imply address but could theoretically not be a lie if all it said was 'canada' at some point. What she specifically did not say, very carefully, in this supposedly LAWYER APPROVED statement was that it would in fact doxx their location. Just 'risk' and 'allude' to it.

>>73346637
My rrat is that the niji lawyers are as incompetent as their managers and that they somehow took the document meant to help their case to nullify the contract as some kind of blackmail threat, and they then panicked and threw shit at the wall screaming at the talents about how they're going to be doxxed or whatever.
However, this is the most extremely generous interpretation without taking into account the whole "we all ganged up on Selen and told her to graduate" thing. Vox admitted to talking to her as a group, but he also said he "thoroughly" reviewed documents he should never have had access to, so it's difficult to take him at his word.
It also ignores Millie and Elira's history of crybullying prior to Nijisanji

>>73346705
calling them dumb just doesn't cut it, you can't convince me all the people shitting on doki with all these blatantly false points and covering their ears screaming when presented with the truth are mentally sound

>>73347046
have you never met a teenage girl? they're hysterical and illogical but that doesn't make them mentally ill. they'll grow out of it.

>>73346971
Genuine question do we know where this screenshot came from? I've seen it around for a while but I haven't been able to pin point a source

>>73347195
>teenage
that means nijisanji threads would have to be banned site wide because teenage girls are their only audience

>>73347298
leaked by artists that worked with her

>>73346245
A lot of them are genuinely underaged

>>73331518
Bold move, considering the dramafags are going to be listening in and scrutinizing every word she says. That kind of pressure often leads to mistakes, and if she says something stupid or out of line on her first day back after everything that happened, she's toast.

>>73347298
Supposedly it was posted to her discord server she used for coordinating collabs with artists. If that's the case then there's a lot of potential people that could've seen and leaked it, so it's hard to tell if it's legit or not. I don't know where it initially surfaced tho.

>>73346971
bottom one seems reasonable but I can't bring myself to believe the top one is real. there's no fucking way they held some sort of deranged intervention to tell her she's brought nothing good to the branch and ask her to graduate. that's completely fucking insane.

>>73347544
is it being corroborated by artists?

>>73331518
I'm from the future, the stream basically went like this:
>Elira talks about eating a good lunch
>Dramafags: YOU ATE WITH THE MONEY YOU STOLE FROM DOKI, WHERE IS THE APOLOGY STREAM?

>>73347298
The individual chats were uploaded separately some time in january if I remember right. A bit before she actually was fired. At least one of them was, but I don't remember which got out first. It's really odd since they seem scarily accurate and seem to use a little known avatar flair that selen/doki likes to use.
It's assumed that the messages themselves were from the discord that Selen used to organize the coffee project, as she's stated many, many times that she prefers to use Discord for nearly all of her work and projects instead of other applications like Slack.

>>73347670
Some artists did come out in support of her and against niji, but I doubt anyone would come out and publicly confirm that. It would be a huge breach of trust for them to do that.

>>73347544
>>73347475
Thanks for the info

>>73347544
too much about it lines up to be fake

>>73347661
you obviously haven't heard how insane NijiKR was
or heard about how traumatized Zaion and Pomu were, or not-Petra feeling worthless, etc
it lines up perfectly with how Niji treats its livers
you just refuse to believe menhera women are evil despite all proof to the contrary

Like Selen herself says, she wasn't in a good mental state. That would play a part in how she feels.
Anyway I hope Elira's comeback stream is the end of this. The talent in Niji don't deserve the hate and Doki wants to move on.

>>73331518
So, I like Elira's streams from a purely entertainment perspective. What bothers me about this is that the black video is STILL on her channel. Honey, I've a million ways to spend my free time, and I just simply don't want to spend it next to such a large elephant in the room.

>>73347298
Both were posted in /HAHA/ on dec 30. Nobody believed them at the time.
Since then, we've learned that the reason for the song being privated was real, and the discord avatar decorations match dokibird.

>>73347940
>The talent in Niji don't deserve the hate
Except....they do! They bullied her. They established a clique.
Look at how they completely avoid getting in trouble for any of the heinous shit they do, while people like Selen are fired for nothing. That's not fair, it's not right, and they're part of it.

Like half the members of NijiEN are Elira's nepo-hires, how is that fair? Some guy just happens to know Elira, and she pulls some strings to get him an easy 6-figure job for no work. That's the kind of game these people are playing. Fuck that.

>>73341236
Hi elira/enna/mille! You should really stop coming here, it's clearly not good for your mental state.

>>73346582
They literally are the same fanbase
>>73346705
These subhumans have proven time and time again they are pure evil, they do not deserve any leniency

>>73343479
>Holofags going after Sonny because he mogged Gura's birthday
Let's see the proof there was a donation page and he was ever payed. Because he never said no refunds, in fact, no one ever proved he was paid

>>73343933
>Sisters got blown out so far that people were reaching into the wayback archives to prove that the donation button was still active up to and after his "death."
Faggot loves blatantly lying. The donation button was every screenshot after his video. Go on and prove anyone donated to his obviously fake illness

>No one mentioned Holo
Rent freeeeeee

>sonny drama
fuck... for some reason I thought he was one of the good ones.

Black screen video incoming? ''Doki is a lying bitch''

reminder that sisters piss their pants if you don't give them (you)s

>>73347298
It was posted here and retards ran out anyone calling them fake as there's literally no evidence it's real. The original story was that it was posted in a secret fan server she had where she would spill the beans on what's going on Niji. Now it's that it was an artist no one knows leaking information online

>>73348611
Doubling down on the drama with a heavily moderated chat would be fucking hilarious and I would be all for it.

>>73348039
Damn, I only saw them in Jan. I'll have to check. It lines up FAR too scarily to be fake.

>>73348534
You don't need to. Everyone knows the reason why faggots are making drama threads on Sonny is because numberfags were seething about Sonny succeeding.

>73348926
Come on, at least try to make your bait subtle

>sisters just flat out lying now
>probably the same ones who bought Raziel's merch.

it would be very easy to bypass any moderation by finding some innocuous # to spam like sinktheyacht

>>73348970
>Makes the thread unreadable "to stick it to the sisters"
Fuck you and your discord raid. You faggots have been running interference for months

>>73348926
>succeeding
>unable to make money on 364 days of the year
>can't even match someone who came out of nowhere half a year ago

>>73348611
>"Dookie is a lying bitch and everyone knows it"
>"The only apology I'll be giving out is the one I'll be giving to the people getting banned!"
>"I'm back! Sorry haters!"
I will actually kneel if it happens though

>>73349206
Same, that'd completely sink that company and I'd LOVE to see that.

>>73349186
Thank you for proving the only people bringing up Sonny's PL are seething number fags. Now start comparing birthday streams

>>73349186
what the fuck

>>73349186
When did this guy debut lmao, how do niji talents live day to day?

>>73348265
>SBDBDB
What does this mean?

>>73349186
Vox kills the numberfag

>>73349455
>>73349361
He's literally one of their most successful talents... Who's barely made half of Selen's earnings while still leeching off her tit and free assets.
He's part of LuxNoc, so he's been around since early 2022.
Look at the dates and look at this absolutely obscene drop off. After a few 9ks, it drops back to like 2, and then on regular days he's lucky if he makes 100-200, with many days being below that.
But birthdays? This man makes BANK on his birthday. Nobody else in Niji is like this.

>>73349776
sisters should be studied in a lab, or a psych ward

>>73349754

>>73348033
Management won't remove the black screen, and they won't allow Elira to remove it. To remove it would be tantamount to admitting that they fucked up in allowing that stream to happen in the first place, and Niji management are deathly allergic to the concept of owning up to their mistakes.

There are exactly three (3) ways for that video to stop being publicly available:
1. A court of competent jurisdiction orders Elira, Anycolor, and/or Youtube to take down the video
2. Elira gets either "graduated" (Y/G) or terminated (Z/S), and the video is set to private as a result
3. Youtube takes down Elira's channel in its entirety for any or no reason

>>73349855
Now check Gura's

>>73349895
oh, you mean like how her latest merch line sold significantly more than Vox has made in his entire career?

>>73349776
On regular days making 200 is good though? That's more than most Holos, what are numberfags smoking

>>73349990
Now check Vox's merch. Also $54 dollars for a pillow is fucking insane

>>73350054
Please drop the act and tell me you're a troll and not an actual sister, I refuse to believe I share a planet with people this retarded

>>73344881
Because her lawyer tard wrangled her since they go legal, they'll lose. Keep up

>>73350151
Their anniversary was like 3 months ago, he’s the only Luxiem to still not sell out.

>>73350226
this is months old talking points, she doesn't need to waste money winning in court for no reason when she already owns the court of public opinion

>>73331518
>Almost 2 month on the dot suspension
Should have been longer for completely sinking her boss's apology. He got out and did the 90-degree dicksuck to the world. In English to try and smother the fire. Instead hours before Elira drives a tanker of gasoline into the scandal.

>>73350300
Are you serious? Holy GRIM.

>>73350226
Doesn't tell me how much his merch made

>>73335874
She's an upper class her parents can fly her out easy and that's ignoring if she's a single digit iq mouthbreather that didn't save up an exit strategy as a foreigner in nihogoppon.

>>73331518
I thought this was another gura thread

2 months maternity leave is a little on the low side for all the babies the niji yakuza pumped into her as punishment

>>73347661
Look back on the black screen video over exactly what vox was saying, because he wasn't saying shit at random.
What he said was aimed at defending against what selen had supposedly put in the document he 'thoroughly reviewed.'
The main axis was 'we reached out to her over what happened' along with 'you can graduate at any time'
Both of these track very clearly to me with the top one as they are aimed at minimizing the idea of livers pushing on her to graduate as being a big deal.

>>73344877
It's weird cause there wasn't even confusion. Niji just had a power trip. vods get taken down all the time. Sometimes it takes longer to edit so they're down for a while. Something anyone would expect with having to modify animation. Instead Millie went turbo retard over nothing and put a gun in her mouth.

>>73346637
First off we know for a fact from Elira public suicide black stream that they have no lawyer at all as seen from a bunch of vtubers getting legal documents with sensitive unredacted information or the lawyer is incredibly retarded.
The timeline went niji broke off contact and stopped responding. So Selen sends in the facts in logic to try and get any email contact back but gets roped 2 hours later.

>>73347940
It's been 2 months and it's only gotten worse. She shouldn't have thrown hands if she didn't want her cunt punted into the stratosphere.
After all, just listen to vox. You can leave any time. Elira didn't have to carry out a character assassination on her coworker over her first gaming stream. Elira could have taken a moral stand and left to become a successful indie instead of ending her career forever. She will never escape this without using a voice changer and never slipping up. Hell, listen to breakout Nijisanji success Claude Clawmark, she could have just asked for her play button.

>>73349206
Do you think if Elira knocks another 1k off the stock will Riku finally kill her and toss her body into the bay?

>>73347661
Anon, it's something corroborated by every single person who's left the company (except kyo who was likely part of the problem).
Nina, Mysta, Mika, even Pomu.
Selen and Pomu were so fucking broken they didn't even expect anyone to show up at their "return" stream. Selen was hoping to maybe sell 50 pieces of merch and that at most 100-200 people would show up to help give her some kind of recoup on costs from the mv.
Nina was so fucking broken that the instant Sayu blabbed about her ego being crushed by that company, she cut off all contact with the woman and completely ghosted her(which is likely what'd happen if the original leaker of the conversation was caught with what Selen said). . Mika went on an insane rant in october about how she just learned that some people actually like her for herself and not because of her brand or who she knew.
Pomu was serious about potentially never coming back because she thought she was worthless without the brand until Matara brought her back kicking and screaming.

>>73347940
Sayu's still living through the effects of the last time those fuckers tried this shit.
I don't have any feelings against the girls personally, but this is absolutely vile, and both the company and the involved organs would absolutely do it again if given a chance.

>>73346971
>My rrat is that the niji lawyers are as incompetent as their managers
>conglatuations
even as an ESL i know that is wrong

>>73352061
anon they've never won a case.
not once.
They lost a case to a dramatuber for defamation in Japan.
In Japan.
They're a complete laughing stock.

>>73351848
I disagree. Kotoka, Kyo, Finana and Hex actively contributed to her suffering. They absolutely deserve the hate they're getting

>>73351712
Further making things worse are Not Petra doomposting on twitter about how worthless she feels and how hard it is to smile; while Not Aia tweeting over the past day or two about how she's been harassed for months (read: since before Selen got fired ), although with no mention of who was actually sending her death threats.

And now, for some good news:
All of the Niji EN talents have seen how wildly successful Doki and Mint have been since their respective returns, and Doki's success in particular has been in spite of Niji's attempted character assassination. Even though the 31 talents need to pretend to be completely and utterly unaware of the post-Niji success those two have had, are having, and will continue to have, they are too high-profile for the remaining 31 to actually be as unaware as they're contractually obligated to pretend to be.
Furthermore, all 3 Iluna girls have briefly unprivated their PL accounts, and all 3 of them saw a slight bump in their subscriber/follower counts. They now have hard evidence that Doki and Mint were NOT flukes, and that leaving Niji will not mean leaving their fans forever regardless of what management wants them to believe.
They all love being vtubers, or at least used to love it before Niji destroyed their spirits. Let's hope they can figure out that the only thing they'll lose by leaving Niji is the IP rights to the name and likeness of the characters they're currently using - and even that's not that big of a deal, since Quinn and Sayu and to a lesser extent Kuro have all shown that all of them can get Legally Distinct™ versions of their current avatars. And Doki has shown that all of them can keep their oshi marks, and some of them can also keep the names for their respective fanbases.
And most importantly, let's hope they can regain their love for being vtubers. Mint has shown them that regaining that love is possible, after Matara helped her regain that love.

>>73350226
>they'll lose.
Lol proof?

>>73350226
>Doki's legal team is infinitely more intelligent and competent than Niji's legal team

kind of a microcosm for the entire situation

>>73347940
>The talent in Niji don't deserve the hate
If they were responsible for the bullying, they absolutely do.

>>73349776
>He's literally one of their most successful talents...
He is? I have literally not heard a single thing about Sonny since his debut

>>73355000
That's because all of his fans are chinese, and being one of the most successful in Nijisanji EN is not exactly a high bar.

>>73355099
but chinks aren't allowed to use youtube...

>>73355232
Yes, I know.
They route their VPNs through taiwan.

>>73355232
no shit, they use VPNs
if the CCP banned VPNs and 4chan already we'd see a little less astroturfing here too

>>73345132
Neither has she. You can't prove that she has.

>>73355488
lmao don't they hate taiwan? what a bunch of pathetic cucks

>>73355000
Isn’t he the guy who faked a brain tumour so he could stop playing TF2?

>>73347195
>they'll grow out of it.
None of the clique members grew out of it

>>73348067
>They established a clique
>Source: Calli's ass

>>73355681
Hey, remember when coco said Taiwan was her third largest audience?
Reminder that taiwan is the #1 vpn route out of china due to distance, etc.
The chinese were routing all of their shit to taiwan, which caused it to show up on her youtube analytics, which caused her to thank them and which caused everything.
She was thanking china and they shat on her for it.

>>73354503
Their proof is Niji losing a court case against some drama tuber IN JAPAN mimd you, And losing again against the English speaking drama tubers as well.

>>73350407

>>73352061
Not only did niji hire the cheapest high school part time intern paralegals as lawyers, they also have management themselves constantly interfere in the legal process and fuck up cases.

>>73344881
>>For some reason...she doesn't?
yeah because her lawyer actually smart

>>73355861
what the fuck. Holy GRIM.

>>73355981
So Doki's single lawyer is smarter than the entirety Niji's legal team funded by a billion dollar company. Sounds like some serious incompetence at Niji.

>>73356173
Between the Reimu incident and him lashing out at his fans and ladies seeing his real-life doughboy physique his supporter base has dwindled quite a bit.

I don't watch Niji at all normally, but I might tune into this one just to see if it'll be a major clusterfuck

>>73356379
They couldn't even win in court against nip keemstar

>>73344881
>For some reason...she doesn't?
Basically no one wants the legal battle but both sides recognize that doki has so much of an advantage that niji extra doesnt want the legal battle. Its why doki has been going around claiming selen's fortnite account and making cutaway animations that are the same as selens and streaming without waiting out the graduation timer and everything else, because niji is terrified to push back.

>>73356379
Her lawyer isn't smarter, it was just like round 37 of of Selen SHUT THE FUCK UP. SHUTUP!SHUTUP!SHUTUP!SHUTUP!SHUTUP!SHUTUP! and she still nearly blew it when Elira tried to bait her with the black stream. Thankfully things turned out okay.

>>73356721
On contrary, the fact dokis lawyer called her and told her to cancel stream during elira's black box, and nijis lawyer didnt call elira and vox, shows which lawyer is better.

>>73356379
It really does seem like no matter the topic concerning Niji, it circles back to that one, doesn't it. Almost like the answer is right there and has been there all along.

>>73355655
Bro the Black screen was an attempt to pin all the blame on Selen. Vox is just as scummy Ike was only saved because he loudly flipped the pages and was asking for water.

>>73356379
I just want litigation to happen so we can find out that Elira was larping as a lawyer all along. Because there is zero reason that stream would have been signed off on but she started it by putting a gun in her mouth and pulling the trigger.

>>73331518
Don't care, both of my oshis are back streaming and they're happier than ever. She can get out or sink with the branch.

>>73356944
Who? Clara and Mumei?

>>73347730
With the state of Niji's thumbnail game a lot of artists got burned because the Selen fiasco was an opportunity to clearly state the treatment they received from Niji regarding payment. And no it isn't about directly to talents, it's about shit like event artwork.

>>73356721
Doki's lawyer is 100x smarter than Niji's legal team. Who the fuck doesn't redact documents for the livers, they weren't privy to everything in the first place. In a legal court Niji's side would get severely reprimanded for the breach thus they never sued.

>>73344881
so, let's say the did go to court. a canadian lawyer looked over the contract and went over some canadian law regardniig employment. the act would've only paid doki $20k. now is $20k worth that hassle? or just moving on and making more money and taking the higher ground. she's more than earned that $20k she might have won in court. and that's not even mentioning that a large company like anycolor could throw tens of thousands of dollars to run doki dry, and cause her an unsurmountable amount of stress. for what? a chance at $20k? legal battles aren't pokemon battles that are decided in ten minutes like on t.v.. shit could take years.

Welcome back EliGAWD

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if she was in that large thread yesterday where they were sussing out if the heat has died down. It fucking hasn't but they are free to control the way they present the stream and move on. For some stupid as fuck reason they thought the sisters would be able to rewrite the past fucking events if they waited long enough. It was never going to happen. I'm glad they took my advice and are just going to continue streaming if they want too since the hate is inevitable but can be managed.
The fact is with Niji's current situation Elira is necessary, it's not a fucking secret how scummy they are and the people will still watch her regardless that's the audience they have cultivated. Now is the time they crunch the fuck out of the last month they have before the stakeholders pull up shop or Riku changes his mind about vtubers all together. The fucking scammer knows he has cashed in and the downturn begins. These people close up shop and become advisers to the next company they have a stake in and repeat the process all over again forcing people through the Niji accelerate experience. The travesty of an entire company dying off will be hidden by the rise of a competitor that they have their hands in with. That's just how the world of business and large money works.

>>73357482
ChatGPT

>>73356895
Ok, that still isn't proof of bullying though. It's just proof of Niji's incompetence

>>73357533
>15 minutes of character assassination and lying about conditions at Niji like you can leave any time isn't bullying

>>73357208
>They weren't privy to anything in the first place
LegalMindset told me :^)

>>73357573
>15 minutes of refuting allegations is bullying
Cry more.

>>73357518
Yeah right retard what a coincidence when the sisters got their ass handed to them yesterday that they decided they might as well stream.
Sisters are so fucking incompetent even in the slow hours of /vt/ they had to once again be explained too about how the publicly perceived the fucking time line of events. They couldn't grasp that Vox outed them in the fucking Black Screen, or the language in the Termination letter painted them as the guilty party due to Selen's twitter post on when she left the hospital. They didn't think people here were fucking crazy that they know what happens when a hospital restricts from you when you attempt seppuku so the skin walking on her account is fucking obvious.

>>73357604
>Doxing Selen is fine because you don't know anything

>>73357424
so you're saying that she's this mastermind who blackmailed Nijisanji and in defense they... stabbed themselves and blamed her for it?
And yet she's the menhera one?

>>73357734
>Doxing Selen
They didn't do that though...

>>73357533
You have the entire fucking day and they decided to black screen when she was streaming. What time did Vox stay up in order to make this laughable assassination attempt of character? 2am for him?

>>73357789
>Thoroughly reviewed the documents
>Which has everyone's contact, address, and other personal information in it for the purposes of a potential court case
>Which is supposed to be redacted and only the relevant portions split out when a lawyer is consulting the involved persons not flopping the whole unredacted wad on the table

>73357656
>dokibird has gained enough fame and money to surpass all of her prior peers at nijisanji by magnitudes
>nijisanji has fallen to the point where it might seriously be in danger of collapse. the branch is effectively dead.
>we should somehow cry more

All of the sisters making snide comments just shows that you still don't understand why Niji is a sinking yacht. Even with Elira streaming the people who anti Niji are still comfortable because your efforts are seriously 'negligible' to prevent the end. No one will join a Black company, no one wants to suck up to these people, no one wants to work hard for exposure only to be exposed to mental stress, and if they are keen.. they still have to deal with some of the most toxic personalities in vtubing. That's the label the clique has, that's the label the fans have. Enjoy the last days of NijiEN!

>>73357866
Right.... Because I'm sure they had no idea who the person they did off collabs was......

>>73357424
My post wasn't about a court case, my post was whether or not she does what Nijiniggers claim which was to publicly publish a document with all their names. So your reply makes no sense.

>and that's not even mentioning that a large company like anycolor could throw tens of thousands of dollars to run doki dry
Niji couldn't even win against a drama channel and you could guarantee that people would crowdfund Doki's defense

>>73357900
Why did you run from the other thread sister?

>>73357969
Seeing your coworker at an offcollab that wasn't at her house is different from having Selen's home address, phone number, mailing address, etc.

>>73357971
It's not only that, Canada could front the cost as well because it's a Japanese company trying to sue a Canadian citizen. That's an extra buffer that would scare the fuck out of Niji lawyers, most likely why they wanted Selen to be the one to sue by provoking her.

>>73357811
So they're not supposed to go against the person making allegations? And thanks for clarifying they're in different locations. How the fuck do you bully someone living in another country?

>>73357656
>allegations that weren't made public until Niji made them public
>which then infers the only reason they did the stream in the first place is because they were trying to put out of the fire that they lit

Regardless of any level of truth on either side, Nijisanji and the people who work there are absolute certifiable retards.

>>73358033
Ok, and you know this was in the document how? You know for certain this information wasn't redacted how? Do you have psychic powers? Are you Elira?

>>73358063
>>So they're not supposed to go against the person making allegations?
What allegations? The ones that Niji made public? They're defending themselves against their own company?

>>73358072
Yes, I can agree they're retarded. They handled the whole thing poorly.

>>73358017
least obvious falseflag
totally normal conversation
definitely not a post made so that you could explicitly post it like your stupid sayu seethepost

>>73358103
Selen stated it was in the doc pile, it's information necessary for building a legal case, and Elira's schizoing out about information that is supposed to be redacted before anyone other than the lawyers sees it.

>>73358063
Yeah not publicly you stooge. There's a thing called character defamation that Nijisanji has a culture of and continually gets away with. What is beyond retarded is why would they attempt it on one of their heavy hitters. People were also wised up after Sayu's sufferings and Pomu giving up on the place. All the company had to do was exemplify the debacle of the stream, instead they gossiped about who the fuck was involved. You behave stupid you get treated like it.

>>73358103
NTA but nigger, Elira said that their personal information was in the document including Millie's and Enna's. If it wasn't in the document, why did she say it was? If it was redacted, how did she know who was named?

Are you retarded?

>>73358103
Doki said it herself, moron. It had her personal identifying information.
>>73346102

>>73358158
That first comment looks suspiciously close to pic related. Just admit you're a seething Vox sister and fuck off.

le retard de Elira Pendora

>>73358202
>If Doki's info was redacted then the person they showed the document to would also have their info redacted
Why the fuck would they redact their own address? Retard.

>>73358306
Who the fuck are you greentexting? I didn't say that at all.

>73358254
Sister, calling someone blatantly calling Nijisanji shit and Doki right isn't going to convince anyone that it wasn't you that posted that.
https://files.catbox.moe/603jxm.png
It also won't bring back all the (you) you crave.

>>73358202
They honestly are. For some reason they think they have a logical reason because 'Selen did this' and conveniently ignore the fact she WAS hospitalized. They can never contribute to the argument with evidence how awful Selen was that justified her dismissal. In the end it's a clear case of favoritism in management and some dick head on a power trip angry at losing control over Selen. Not having permissions for a song they did not manage properly is the biggest fucking yab of the entire situation.

>>73358404
They had permissions for the song for over a year. According to their very own doctored "evidence" they explicitly did not have access to their own IP according to a rule they made up without her knowledge and applied to her retroactively.

>>73358338
>I hate waffles
What a fag

>>73358521
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtlaTNI1TaU

>>73358521
>hey you said this
>>no I didn't?
>fag

sasuga sister, clearly a high level of intellect

>Saves Vox porn
>Claims he isn't a Vox sister

>>73358404
Selen had perms for the song over a year prior. The entire conflict was an asspulled meme rule about graduated livers that Niji didn't follow, wasn't being followed for other livers projects, and the manager didn't do their job despite knowing everyone and everything that was involved for over a year when the project was first signed off on. Furthermore the artists confirmed there was no last minute changes either. Management knew from the initial drafts and they just didn't do their job to manufacture casus belli to assblast Selen because Selen can't just flop all the internal documents out in the wild which would have let her get Zaion'd if Niji didn't fuck up something so simple so catastrophically.
>Mane-san Millie Pendora fucks off for 37 hours
>The week a scheduled project is scheduled to go out
>The month a scheduled project is scheduled to go out
>After over a year of not doing your job getting perms for the draft you signed off on before 25k starts leaving a bank account.

>>73358494
That's a strawman. They never said they didn't have access to their IP. They just said they needed approval. Probably from someone higher up the corporate chain. Regardless Selen broke the rules on that one. Why Doki fans use this as evidence to support their case is baffling.

>>73358202
That is a good question. The fact that the document would've detailed Selen's grievances and factors leading up to her attempts, Elira mentioning that shit just came off as self-reporting. I fucking don't comprehend the stupidity of these people. Are they just that blinded by spite and hate toward Selen?

>>73358601
Anon, I...

>>73358404
This is the biggest yab against Selen though. It shows she had a clear disregard for the rules.

>>73358494
The biggest thing that made me sick was they never even bothered doing the carrot and stick during the black screen. Cause they rid off the script and it was bad, it painted the picture that they were on Selen's ass while she was hospitalized trying to get through to her Emergency Contact trying to clear up 'who is at fault'. If you watch the reactions in the Black Screen you can see people at 28 months wise up especially with Vox saying the incident of hospitalisation was caused by them confronting Selen about the issue. I swear Vox must have gone off script because the fucking snake was trying to farm sympathy and revealed the cards.

>>73358926
>>

>>73358827
>Manager's job is to go get perms
>Doesn't get perms
>Management has a spergout when Niji-takedowns to remove shit are frequent and normal nothingburgers
>Wow why do people bring up management fucking her in the ass again after 2 years of fucking her in the ass
You're real intelligent.

>>73358937
Even if they confronted her about the video they had the absolute right to. She broke company rules. It's that simple.

>>73358926
And the public called out Nijisanji's bull shit at being incompetent. Maybe if Niji clarified what they did do to rectify the situation and that they acted amicably they could of avoided being so transparent on later shit that no one should have known about. The fact Niji didn't realize this shows how dumb they are.

>>73358937
that was one of the shittiest parts of the termination i think
she was in the hospital for attempted suicide and the company actively harasses her via her emergency contact
like wtf leave her the fuck alone

We lost.

>>73359033
>Manager in the process of getting perms
>Doki can't wait 2 days because of BPD
>Doki goes against management and post video
>Somehow it's management's fault
You're real intelligent

>>73358926
Like Luca? Who despite breaking way worse rules is a management favorite?

>>73358926
>Manager fucks off for 37 hours
>After not doing their job for over a year
Oh, Millie Pendora had clear disregard alright

>>73359047
>Harasses her via emergency contact
Source?

>>73359043
Ever heard of Tact? This was part of the problem yesterday in that thread that some sister was going on about how many calls before it becomes harassment. Niji is the one at fault in accordance to the victim, she only needs to notify them once of her situation and inability to work. BACK THE FUCK OFF. Don't fucking try to pester her or her emergency contacts how fucking dumb can you be. Even a basic beginner lawyer would of told Niji that.

>>73340975
>WHITE PEOPLE
qrd?

>>73359099
>Manager had over a year to get the perms since the draft was submitted.
>Literally their one job btw
>Ghosts selen for 37 hours
>Far from the first time management has fucked her
I hope the gift card is worth it you subhuman shitstain.

>>73359152
In their own fucking termination letter. Like everyone is saying. Doki never threw the first stone she followed NDA. It's all their in Niji's own words.

>>73359099
There were no perms to get. Niji owns the IP for their own characters

>>73359118
>Doki breaks rules
>Well it's management's fault
Cope more. She is at fault. She brought the whole thing on herself

>>73359176
Uki... Uki is unwell.

>>73359176
Uki is a racist against white old people / white people in general.

>>73359099
Sister it was on her fucking schedule several days before release.
All of Selen's schedules have to be approved by management before she can post them, which is why they were often late.
Management knew and approved the video already, before even bringing into account the fucking storyboards.
Management is fucking worthless at that company and only existed to fuck her in the ass.
If management magically revokes perms that they previously approved of six months ago, then claims they need 2 days after ghosting you directly before a time sensitive christmas video celebrating the company, then they are too worthless to work at a billion dollar company.

>>73359217
Make sure to study for your exams kiddo.

>>73355861
T-they just h-had more s-stock for him...

>>73359193
I forget if it was allegedly Enna or Millie that does this giftcard thing. Hell, maybe both, cuz there's no low to this shitshow.

You niggers can't expect me to read your walls of reddit seethe
Nijisanji won

This is what I believe happened. Fuck Nijisisters and Fuck Dramafags.

>>73359295
>Pic wasn't Wilson
I was unjustly robbed.

>>73359193
>It's management's fault that Selen can't follow a contract she signed
>It was also management's fault when Selen said to re-upload the song which is against the contract she signed
Selen screwed Selen.

>>73358926
>going over rules which are selectively applied mainly against you for the sake of your fans is a yab

>>73359217
>management fucking sucks and is actively damaging the company's growth
>selen is somehow at fault for prioritizing the company and her fanbase over management's ego
Jesus christ, and I thought Selen was the biggest nijisanji bootlicker before meeting the sisters.

>>73359161
>>73359208
>We tried talking to her through an emergency contact
>OMG HARASSMENT

>>73359359
Based and zazed

>>73359043
Yeah, but you're liable if you say the wrong thing the wrong way at the wrong time to the wrong person.

You don't get to decide how another person interprets your words. You are the one who controls your choice of words, your delivery of those words, and the tone of these words. We live in reality, and these things have real influence on other people's interpretation of a message.

Coworker of yours broke the rules. Do you have the right to approach her about it? Maybe confront her in some capacity? Sure, perhaps.

But if she winds up hospitalized the next day because she tried to hang herself from the second floor and you're one of the last people who talked to her about the issue that led to her breaking point, you're getting cross-examined.

Even if you meant A and she understood B, it doesn't change she took B from your A. People will scrutinize this. It's reality.

>>73331518
Fuck yeah. I've been waiting for a thousand years.

>>73359387
>Manager doesn't follow the contract she signed and do their one fucking job
>Doesn't do her one job for over a year after the draft was approved
Make sure to study for your exams kiddo.

>>73359295
Ok cool. Mangement is bad. Doesnt mean you can break the rules. Selen screwed Selen.

>>73359217
Who's more important, management or the fans?

>>73359387
Hey, if a contract is unenforceable, it's not worth the paper it's written on (4450 usd btw)
I can sign whatever the fuck I want, but if a court rules that it's fucking worthless, I don't have to follow it. Nijisanji scammed its fucking employees and they're finally seeing the consequences of their actions.

>>73359359
This but unironically and holobrowns can do nothing seethe

>>73359363
>Schizo speculation
Nobody cares about your fan fic

>>73359471
When the rules are being applied selectively and people are playing favourites, that's bullying.

Managment screwed over not only Selen but Elira and the rest of NijiEN. Who the fuck is defending Nijis management?

>>73359471
Did Selen screw selen? Because niji-video takedown #265993 wouldn't have destroyed Niji's stock. Nor would it have cost the company 3 of its higher earners. And it wouldn't have destroyed their reputation. Instead Management started a piss fit then started jamming its foot in its mouth with the termination notice then the black stream which put the target on livers backs.

>>73359430
If it's about work and the cause of her attempt, yeah it is harassment dumb ass, all the business has to do was give them a space of a weak so she recovers properly. Once again, Niji's words not ours. Why would we take it as them being considerate of her health since they didn't act on it. Instead their actions painted the worst picture.

Luca existing invalidates all sister narratives. I guess that's one thing he's capable of doing.

>>73359471
Luca should be fired sister and you know it's true. Selen outing on favoritism to Vox was right.

>>73359430
Yes, it's actually illegal to use someone's emergency contact for anything other than an emergency. Anything else is either negligent or harassment.

>>73359471
>Y-YOU CANT DISOBEY THE RULES I MADE TO EXPLOIT YOU! Y-YOU JUST CAN'T DO THAT!
Apparently you and the entire western fanbase disagree.

>>73359617
Luca was the gem we needed but not the one we deserved. What a mad lad.

>>73359387
Can I see this contact your referencing?

>>73359580
Unironically it's the sisters. They have still never understood you can't have one or the other. Niji Management through Elira under the fucking bus, but they are still 'PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL'. lol the most stupidest thing I kept on seeing throughout that entire thing, it should not have been on a Livers channel. It also must be some sort of twisted punishment to keep it up. The company has taken their stance to keep all this toxicity in house and would sacrifice the good livers they have left like Scarle till they realized what a shit show it would be.

If (You) are defending Nijisanji's management then you legitimately have brainworms and are retarded.

>>73359471
So you agree management are incompetent at best and malicious at worst. So what's the problem with Doki just doing her job? Management's ego will get hurt?

>>73359645
Why do they keep him, can a sister justify it without using favourtism?

>>73359798
Because he's "hot."
and by him I mean his static drawn sprite.

remember!
do not hatewatch!
let her CCV die!
giving her an explosive return stream only helps her!

ah who am I kidding sisters will just bot

>>73359684
Read, you illiterate fuck.

The termination notice does not disclose who the emergency contact is but Nijisanji EN is the one claiming they spoke with one. Casting doubt on this means you're casting doubt on Nijisanji EN, not Selen.

>>73359742
Elira threw herself under the bus. Until that stream she could have refused to do it until they fired her then went on to a successful indie career. Now she's lost everything because she abandoned any moral integrity to backstab. It's fitting.

>>73359798
They can't fire him because they went from 1 graduation golden gods to 7 and counting in a year

>>73359822
That's still subjective reasoning thus favoritism despite the shit he pulls off. Fake merch, come on now sisters. Not salty about that at all?

who fuckin' cares what niji does at this point
doki and mint were the only real reasons to watch them, and now they're both indies. maybe rosemi too but she could feasibly be out by the end of the year.

>>73359580
It's simple. These people aren't and were never fans of any liver, past or present. The only other possibility is they're in extreme denial over the fact that there's no easy solution to an enormous problem at a management level or higher. It's either of those.

>>73359846
There's not a lot of simps left man. Human beings recognize catty bullshit.

>>73359846
>ah who am I kidding sisters will just bot
Only SEAfags bot their streams kek which is fitting for sisters

>>73359865
>Elira threw herself under the bus.
What if management gave her and the rest misinformation about the situation? What if they tricked her and the rest of NijiEN?

>>73359848
There's was an idiot of a sister yesterday that said prove it even though this was posted 3x in that very thread. They truly gloss over the facts and hone in on the point they want to make till they are told slowly why the public finds fault in it. Tunnel vision like crazy.

>>73359890
Because last time we left them alone, they put out a message from nijisanji en.
then we tried to leave that alone, and the sisters made several hit piece documents and tried to spread it around as propaganda.

>>73359848
>FREQUENT communication with Selen Tatsuki's emergency contact
Holy shit. What part of "emergency" do they not understand. That's clear harassment indeed.

>>73359962
Then the sisters are still idiots because they don't just blame Niji management incompetence. Someone has to take the blame and it won't be Selen for this shit show from how Niji fucked up on trying to pin it on her. That's what makes sisters so mad. Just 'trust' that she's at fault because the company says so. Why are they defending the company that treats their livers like shit? Instead it's cope, o they are ok with it really, honestly! Jesas no one should let themselves get trapped in that shit hole with all those clauses concerning leaving.

>>73359890
I believe in Brosemi-Phase supremacy. Dizzy's ample bosom is waiting for her girl to cum home.

>>73359962
They aren't fucking 8 anymore she's a grown ass woman in a den of highschool catty bitches and JOP fucktards. You don't look at the script they read out and go sir yes sir good chuubas follow orders I will now carry out the character assassination on your orders regarding a situation I was not present 100% of the time for every facet of which will air coincidentally at the same time as her first gaming stream oorah I love killing careers! I love character assassination! This is a great idea sir! thank you sir! Might I give your massive throbbing cawk the gawk gawk 12,000 sir!

This thread has convinced me that nijisanji is in the right
>how?
When your detractors are deranged incels and cucks you have to be doing something right to piss them off which is a very low bar.
So really they are the good guys.

>>73359890
Sister's still haven't dropped the issue and try to rewrite history leading up the the reveal Elira was coming back. ho ho ho ho

>>73360097
who asked?

>>73360097
okay sister

>>73360097
Based

Both ends of the extreme are wrong. Miscommunication between Selen, the rest of the NijiEN, and management could have happened. Management are a bunch of ESL retards after all. We know there were three different communication channels. Management, Livers, and Selen. Going back and forth between the three could have caused a lot of chaos. Even worse Management could have lied about the situation to the Livers causing this whole mess. It's Management/Nijisanji's fault at the end of the day and now NijiEN has to pay.

>>73343479
Holy shit, I thought he just faked his death. I didn't know he was also scamming donations.

Nice pick Kurosanji!

>>73360097
Holy based look at how mad you make them

>>73360097
Ogey femcel, keep sucking Corpo cock, while the Livers pay for their mistakes.

>>73359798
Because all the allegations against him are just that, allegations.

>>73359963
this might shock you anon, get ready...
they're not here to argue in good fatih, they're here to troll and make it seem like more people are on their side than there are

>>73360237
>>73360297
>>73360097
You can stop replying to yourself now

>>73360301
>Ogey femcel, keep sucking Corpo cock, while the Livers pay for their mistakes.
SHITliveRETARDS really post things like this, kek...

>>73360241
Except you are glossing over that these faults didn't only affect Selen. They affected Pomu, Zaion, Nina, Mysta and somehow Kyo.
Something is rotten and that's why Gurrat was a real hit piece.

>>73360347
Not even a Holofaggot retard. I actually liked NijiEN before management fuck everything up.

>>73360366
Management fault, they sow division between the Livers to save their own asses.

>>73359637
AIIEEEE FORBIDDEN UNSUBSCRIBE BOTS TECHNIQUE. RIKU TASUKETE.

>>73359962
then it still wouldn't be selen's fault and they should've gotten out of there asap to clear their names and stand by dokibird.
Because right now it just looks like these filthy, treacherous vermin threw their biggest cheerleader under the bus for promoting unity and celebrating the company's organs
>>73360292
Look up his weapon in TF2, too. They removed it the instant they found out he resurfaced and was never sick in the first place.
Imagine guilting fucking VALVE into putting you into one of the biggest games on the planet and getting off scott free.

What does emergency contact mean? I assume the person the hospital calls when someone is unresponsive but why would Niji have that contact?
Or does this mean they said "hey i know your friend tried to kill herself but can we talk about that video"?

Do anons really think Management wouldn't lie to the livers to cover up their mistakes? Is it really beneath them? I don't think so. Management ruined NijiEN.

>>73360563
emergency contact is a legal term to refer to someone you trust for people to contact if you cannot be reached for an extended period of time. Most people use their nearby family or closest friends who they trust with their medical information, since the main reason they'd be contacted would be because you are physically incapable (IE grievously injured, in a coma, or dead.)

>>73331518
>Replies criticizing Kurosanji are the only replies getting replies
>The replies are defending Kurosanji
These people are fools

>>73360580
We proved skin walking but they called us schizos. It's all up to the sisters who they really care about, and a good chunk of them lick management's boots instead of backing up their oshis.

>>73360556
I'm not saying Selen is at all at fault, I'm saying Management screwed over all the Livers.

>>73360563
some jobs ask for an emergency contact to have on file in case shit happens

>>73360627
How it really went down but they defend management with the gun.

>>73360347
>It all come back to Gura seethe

sisters are so predictable.

>>73354503
>Bu... but the grifter lawyer said she could win!
Yeah and the other online lawyers said she probably would lose because it's a big corporation vs a single person and her lawyer wouldn't want to do anything that can get her sued. Which is why she said she wouldn't talk about it anymore even though she said she would release the documents

>>73360654
yeah, that's true then. The problem is that it's also likely that specific livers were directly involved in bullying unrelated to management's fuckery.
>>73360749
>"I will release a statement"
>releases statement on twitter
she's not releasing her fucking journal, schizo.

>>73360749
>doki would lose only because of financial attrition, not because niji is innocent

This isn't the gotcha you think it is

>>73360741
Always near the end when backed into a corner. Look out for random threads shitting on Hololive or Phase or Idol in the next 10 minutes.

>>73359295
>All of Selen's schedules have to be approved by management before she can post them, which is why they were often late.
Are you a retard? They aren't required to do schedules, no one ever said anything about them having to run schedules through by management. There are no storyboards that were sent to management. No perms were revoked, she never had perms for the people who graduated in the first place. Also that discord screenshot is fake cause I know you faggots love faking evidence

>>73360241
There is no room for miscommunication. Management had the draft to approve it. They didn't get the perms for the people on it. Artists confirmed there was no changes from the storyboards. The holdup was explicitly ex-livers in their own Millie words. That is manager responsibility through and through. One they shirked for over a year.
Furthermore it was management that unilaterally pushed and escalated it into a catastrophe by having a massive fit over a common occurrence. Then they kept self-reporting with the termination notice and black stream. They completely deflated any good will Riku tried to get with the apolostrim.

>>73360366
Any proof for Kyo? All I can figure was that his cunty attitude would have gotten him skullfucked if a real suit was filed.

>>73359637
Now look at HoloEN

>>73360856
>no one ever said anything about them having to run schedules through by management.
It's standard corpo practice retard? The corpo needs to know what things your doing and when so they can organize the perms if needed

>>73360856
>she never had perms for the people who graduated in the first place
Why do you need perms for your own company IP?
>Also that discord screenshot is fake
Proof?

>>73360749
Niji can't extradite her she can go lol, lmao even to a case filed in japan.
Niji will get raped to death in cucknada. And even if they somehow managed to win, it would have more coverage than amber heard's shitfest. The bad press it generates would drown Niji regardless of the attempt to bully a fat canadian chinktuber.

Corpo dick suckers should kill themselves.

>>73360885
I honestly think Kyo was pumped and dumped by Enna and his guilty conscious got the better of him so he cashed in to bump graduation to the top of the line.

>>73360885
after Kyo reincarnated the first thing he does is play the victim and say his time in niji was "a nightmare"
whether you believe him or not he clearly wanted the fuck out of there

>>73360821>>73360821

>"I will release the document I prepared "
>"I will release evidence"
>Releases neither
Gee I wonder what happened . I never said they'd win JUST because they have more money. That's just one of the reasons so Doki would never win a lawsuit

>>73361046
Sister never asks herself why didn't Niji go through with a lawsuit. You think big corpo would win when they already have a track history of losing in Japan. ruh roh

>>73360856
No? You just start a $25k project the company is legally required to file perms for with no draft? No project proposal? Nothing at all? For over a year? And management who knows she's cooking doesn't do anything for over a year? After two years of cockfights with management not bothering to get perms for your stuff? After management doesn't follow up when they send a singular solitary perms request to the guy's spam box then never follow up which resulted in Selen herself having to do their fucking job for them? And they just look at the perms sent by the song rightsholder over a year ago and laugh lol what even is this? Wrong fax number lmao? and then they just keep shredding everything they're getting? Y'know, the stuff they're legally required to retain for the project? That they have been receiving perms for for over a year? The one management didn't get perms for the Nijisanji EN ex-livers for over a year? The manage that ghosted her for 37 hours. The one that did dick fuckall the week it's scheduled to come out? The manager that did dickall the month it's scheduled to come out? The manager that did dickall after receiving perms for the project from rightsholders for over a year? That management?

>>73361032
Niji can be a nightmare and kyo can also be a socipathic wigger devoid of human decency.

>>73360894
False. The member has to tell the manager what perms they want, it isn't done weekly. The actual common practice is that members just ask for a shit ton of perms at once for things they want to play or sing. Some people don't even make schedules so do they just never get perms?
>>73360935
They literally said they didn't own the assets and works for the graduated members in the video. You need to prove the screenshot is real because no artist ever said it was them or if the server was even real. The avatar flair is easily gotten from just watching streams and copying the flair. You retards love pushing fake screen shots as real then ask for proof when the burden of proof is on you

>>73361046
It is generally considered a poor point by the judge presiding over a workplace harassment suit when you start dumping private and work sensitive communications onto social media. Thankfully her lawyer sat on her face long enough to get her to shut up before she went full retard.

>>73360856
Selen constantly complained about it and kept us updated in community notes about how important it was for managers to approve her schedules, and how that was the main reason they were often late.
Even now, she's made several comments like "oh shit I don't have to approve my schedules anymore I can just release them when they're done"

>>73361332
>False. The member has to tell the manager what perms they want, it isn't done weekly. The actual common practice is that members just ask for a shit ton of perms at once for things they want to play or sing. Some people don't even make schedules so do they just never get perms?
Okay, go ahead and prove that statement because it doesn't make sense. How would the person know exactly what need perms and what doesn't?

>>73361383
KEK now Dokifags are starting to LARP. Fucking hysterical

>>73361332
>They literally said they didn't own the assets and works for the graduated members in the video.
Who owns it then? Because if it's not Nijisanji, then they're committing theft by selling merch with graduated livers on it

>You need to prove the screenshot is real because no artist ever said it was them or if the server was even real.
No I don't. I never claimed it was real. You asserted it was fake, so now go ahead and prove your assertion.

>>73361046
Prove she would lose the lawsuit. You're obviously a legal expert. Prove your statement true.

>>73360893
...why? What were you expecting?

>>73361411
You're not a Nijifan are you?

>>73361435
Don't forget Maria's cover too.

>>73361411
You've... never watched a nijisanji stream at all have you?

>>73361530
Niji would rather burn than tell the public who they needed perms from. Would out them in a fucking heart beat for their nonsense bullshit trying to strong arm Selen.

>>73361046
>specifies only one reason why niji would win
>>I NEVER SPECIFIED ONLY ONE REASON

are you brain damaged?

>>73361383 >>73361264 >>73361392

>one management didn't get perms for the Nijisanji EN ex-livers for over a year?
I love it when retards in their wall of seethe are just blatantly lying. Mysta didn't even graduate a year ago. They had perms for the song and not the video, by their own words. The one ghosting people was Selen for not telling the manager what would be in the video she randomly threw on them

What fucking community notes? Managers don't get perms weekly, it's all a list they go through when members ask. Multiple people have said they directly ask for perms in bulk instead of the manager finding out through schedules . They find out what needs perms by looking if other people have played it or sung it or just by asking the managers. It's not a mystery

>>73361513
Least disingenuous Holobrony

>two years in the making
>”randomly” thrown at them
It’s like you aren’t even trying anymore. The NDF are no longer operating on what little logic they once held.

>>73361730
Sister, I know you've never worked a job in your life but there's something working people tend to call a "pipeline" which is a constant stream of projects being completed and have to be done in a specific order. If management doesn't have the storyboards, drawing can't actually start.
The fact that the video was completed at all is proof that Selen had all of the prior permissions required to complete it. They added new rules just to fuck with her.

>>73361818
That's global rankings in comparison to other youtube channels you monkey. The subscriber numbers, views, and money is flowing UPWARDS.

>>73361818
>trend
Nice meme, now bring up the comparison you’re so proud of.

>>73361730
Ah yes, people just start a 25k project without telling them what they need to get perms for and management just the perms they receive for a.... a... Music video! Something that needs a list as soon as the draft is finalized because it takes time and effort to get perms for everything involved. But I'm sure management loves making it a surprise instead of using over a year to handle the situation as a company that has had the EN branch going for years. Thank you very employed well-showered retard for your input. Please go to bed, you need to study for your exams.

>>73361730
Whew here comes the larper that thinks they know management did their job properly. Selen wants to release the video, the debacle is caused by the elements in the video 'livers' who they required permission from. The defense of management is that they 'didn't know' these livers were going to be in this slide. You would think they'd have been well informed before hand who was going to be in that frame and got the permissions before hand hmm? Management couldn't pull these phone calls off over the months hmm?

>>73361818
>Relative ranking towards other channels
>[Japan]
Are you... mentally ill?

>>73361435
>Who owns it then? Because if it's not Nijisanji, then they're committing theft by selling merch with graduated livers on it. They said as much in the notice too.
No, they aren't. They already got permission beforehand to release merch
>No I don't. I never claimed it was real
Cool. So it it's not real, I don't need to prove it's fake. If you're not proving it's valid when someone questions if it is, it's automatically assumed to be faked. That's how it works

>>73361964
Over a year. Remember they had the song perm for an MV over a year ago so management irrefutably fucked up the hardest.

>>73362007
Let's just say it as it is, it wasn't a fuck up, it was intentional. Management bullied Selen and thought the perfect time to inflict damage would be Christmas Day.

>>73361986
>No, they aren't. They already got permission beforehand to release merch
Permission from who?

>Cool. So it it's not real, I don't need to prove it's fake
Yes you actually do because you made the claim. You claimed it was a fake, so now prove it.
>If you're not proving it's valid when someone questions if it is, it's automatically assumed to be faked. That's how it works
No that's not how logic works. If you come up to me and say I don't own a cat and I ask you to prove I don't own a cat, simply because I won't verify to you whether or not I own a cat doesn't mean I don't own a cat.

Jwu why did they collab get deleted?

>>73362247
What?

>>73361924
The person that needs to get perms for the project she has responsibilities for is Selen. If she never asks or keeps them updated, it's her fault. If there was ever a draft, Nijisanji never saw it . And like I already said, Mysta didn't even graduate yet so those frames of him and Nina couldn't have been made over a year ago. Also companies run differently, what kind of jobless retard thinks all companies operate the exact same way?
>You would think they'd have been well informed before hand who was going to be in that frame and got the permissions before hand hmm?
Yeah, it's a shame Selen ignores and harasses managers so she never kept them updated. Expecting perms the day of because of your self imposed deadline would constitute as giving someone impossible deadlines. Even if the manager responded immediately, it wouldn't have changed anything

>>73361986
>the server isn't real
>doki spent like 10 minutes talking about her ways of setting up discord servers for specific projects
>doki consistently is known for using discord as her main work medium
>the sister seriously thinks the server wasn't real

>>73362284
wow, it's so weird that after dokibird left the company she somehow was able to show storyboards regularly on projects she was preparing. It's almost like she was well versed in the whole process considering she made dozens of animated shorts and constantly had them approved by management.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLwOrBwxGFA&pp=ygUOZG9raWJpcmQgaW50cm8%3D

>>73362284
>The person that needs to get perms for the project she has responsibilities for is Selen
Legally? No. That's Niji. Which is why it is important for them to be communication with their talents.
>If she never asks or keeps them updated, it's her fault.
See above.
>If there was ever a draft, Nijisanji never saw it
Proof?
>Also companies run differently, what kind of jobless retard thinks all companies operate the exact same way?
Proove Niji runs the way you say.

>>73362284
>sister's defense is that the billion dollar company is managed so inefficiently that they shouldn't be allowed to run a fucking bookstore, let alone a talent agency.
This is not the win you think it is.

>>73362165
>Permission from who?
The member, keep up
>No that's not how logic works. If you come up to me and say I don't own a cat and I ask you to prove I don't own a cat, simply because I won't verify to you whether or not I own a cat doesn't mean I don't own a cat.
That's the opposite of how logic works. If I say a screenshot online with no evidence of it being real is fake, I don't need to prove it's fake. Logically, it hasn't been proven to be real so it's assumed to be fake. This is how courts work. No one needs to prove ghosts aren't real when someone blames a ghost for something

>>73362284
Oh, you spend 25k without giving the retarded management with a long history of not doing their job the list of the people in the MV so they can get perms so they don't all die from a crippling lawsuit?
What kind of fucktarded Millie Pendora doesn't double check all outstanding projects when there's a policy change that can result in a crippling lawsuit?
What kind of jobless underage tourist thinks a large international company with years of experience doesn't do the most basic things it has to do in order to comply with japanese law?
It wasn't even the day of you tourist fucktard and management ghosted her for 37 fucking hours days beforehand if you want to talk about jobless. The week it was scheduled to go out. The month it was scheduled to go out. After it had been cooking for over a year. When they have been receiving perms for it for over a year you fucktarded tourist.

>>73362493
Which member? Out of all ex-livers featured the longer it's been since they graduated the worse it looks for you.

>>73362304
>She set up discord servers so all discord servers I say are hers is true! Don't question it!

>>73362568
I pray to god no one has to participate in a large project with you.

>>73362568
>your evidence isn't real because it hurts my argument! Ignore the fact that it was released before information was public, that it has details that it absolutely could not have known unless it was public such as the avatar flair, and that it matches selen's hereto unknown feelings that were also revealed during the black screen stream!

>>73362353
Cool. That doesn't prove she showed management. In fact there's more evidence of her not since Niji said so while all the evidence against is "Because it's obvious"
>>73362383
>Legally? No. That's Niji. Which is why it is important for them to be communication with their talents
Wrong. Members are also involved with legal shit. They're the ones hiring people so it's their responsibility. Niji barely interferes with personal projects
>Retards claim a giant 6 armed gorilla lives under the earths crust so I must go on a journey to prove it isn't real
Thank God society doesn't run the way you say it does
>What kind of fucktarded Millie Pendora doesn't double check all outstanding projects when there's a policy change that can result in a crippling lawsuit?
There was no policy change. There isn't any actual evidence of that. Also the retard not getting perms is Selen. You aren't legally required to make drafts for projects too, you retard. Are you actually a hobo writing on 4chan in the bathroom of a Burger King? Selen never showed them the video up until Christmas, so they couldn't get perms in advance. It's that simple. It's not some retarded schizo fuck scenario where they rewrote the rules and decided to go to a trip to the Bahamas on Christmas to spite Selen

>>73362493
>The member, keep up
So members own the IP? Where's your proof of this?

>Niji barely interferes with personal projects
Except for the ones they don’t like, where they shut them down for fun. Otherwise, they don’t care at all to help. Really great middle ground there.

>>73362493
>If I say a screenshot online with no evidence of it being real is fake, I don't need to prove it's fake.
Yes you do. You made a claim. That's how logic works.

>>73362615
My friend also makes discord servers to set up projects. Please don't think about the fact this kind of shit is extremely common since discord is the easiest place to gather a lot of people online, he actually made the server. You're a fucking retard, her avatar flair was public. They fucking use discord to collab and some members have the overlay in their streams.
>But it matches Selen's feelings
No one could have predicted this thing that could easily be assumed! It must be real

>>73362874
This is so fucking stupid. You're timelooping shit from february that didn't make sense then, either. Either Nijisanji is run so fucking incompetently that they didn't know what was in the video despite it taking over a year to complete and being finished, or they're so malicious that they knew about the video and intentionally humiliated her like they've done in the past. There is no situation in which Selen is at fault.

>>73362493
>Logically, it hasn't been proven to be real so it's assumed to be fake
Why? Logic doesn't do that. Things can exist in a superposition between true and fake until proven.

>>73363010
Oh cool, why don't you show me his youtube channel so I can compare it to Selen Tatsuki or Dokibird? Clearly he's very accomplished, right? Or does he go to another school?

>>73362990
No it isn't. If someone acts like something is real and I say it's not, it's assumed to not be real because there's no proof it is real. I don't need to prove vampires don't exist because there's no proof that vampires exist

>>73362874
>strawman
>strawman
>strawman
>strawman
>strawman

It's all so tiresome.

>>73363010
...So why do you believe Nijisanji if their discord messages are not only low quality, but clearly doctored to leave out replies and details?

>>73363082
yes, but if you're a known liar who's previously slandered an employee by exaggerating or manipulating details to fuck with their future career options, people tend to not believe you.
Haven't you heard of the boy who cried wolf?

>>73363082
>If someone acts like something is real and I say it's not
I wasn't acting like it was real.
> it's assumed to not be real because there's no proof it is real.
Sure, but that's not what is happening here. You asserted it's absolute false nature. You are asserting it was made up. Therefore you need to provide evidence for it's false creation.
> I don't need to prove vampires don't exist because there's no proof that vampires exist
Are you asserting absolutely that vampires don't exist? No you're not, therefore there's no burden of proof on you

>>73363061
>My rrat about this server being real. My evidence that it's not fake is because this person is famous. No one would do fake shit online under the name of a famous person
>>73363114
>Discord screenshots
LMAOOOOO it was slack. That's not even how discord looks like. There isn't any proof or even context that Selen replied at all. They showed screenshots, they're Nijisanji who is clearly able to access the messages and they're putting them out. Logic says they're real and says screenshots anonymously posted here relating to drama which people have motivation to fake with no source or evidence proving it's real is not real

>>73363374
>Logic says they're real
Unless it's discord themselves posting the screenshot, no.

>>73363374
>my evidence isn't doctored despite it being clearly in my favor to doctor evidence and I have been proven lying about selen not paying artists in the past while also announcing that I have committed crimes by harassing her emergency contact and mishandling sensitive legal documents

>>73363167
>I wasn't acting like it was real.
Too bad. Other people are.
>You are asserting it was made up
Yeah because there's no proof it's real and people are pushing it's real so I don't need to prove it's fake. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence and I am the one dismissing. The screenshot is obviously made with the intent to have people think it's real but there's no evidence it's real so I can dismiss the screenshot entirely

>>73359798
>>73353424

>>73363522
okay then. Flat out, Nijisanji faked those messages and the termination notice.
And you can't do anything but seethe about it because that's the popular opinion anyways, and Doki is thriving while Nijisanji crumbles and desperately tries to squeeze whatever remaining money it can out of the EN branch before it collapses.

>>73362874
Proof? Most people spending $25k of their own money try to succeed.
On the other hand, management has a proven history of not doing their job.

No one else was getting hit with it despite multiple projects using ex-livers but management rug pulls Selen with it. You can't cut it both ways. Whichever way you go it was management that fucked up. Selen was very familiar with the rules due to how many times management didn't get perms for this or that and fucked her as a result.
So tell me the truth. Are you a dumb fucking child that needs to go to bed or do you really want to stand on 4chan and say to the world that professional working adults spending $25k of her own money in a 5 year old gorillion dollar company didn't improve on hey mister call these 33 people and get faxed perms from them instead of requiring a draft submission beforehand.

Because one path is suicide for a project
And the other is consistent with the 2 years of harrassment, bullying and abuse Selen faced at Nijisanji

>>73331518
Yeah, sure, let her stream to 10 finanas, and either become a stupid drama tuber after that or fall down to 2-3 finanas, when everyone realizes that nijisanji's only real play is to never mention this shit again, and realize that the most valuable members of lazusydia are just gone.

>>73363374
The screenshot shit is worse because they deliberately left out the perms for the song which proved they were aware of the project well in advance.