/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>73092126
I think we should abandon buzzwords and just watch our favorites

>>73092126
shondo

>>73092126
Shiori is a 13 year old ironic weeb normalniggers idea of gfe

>>73092126
Vox

Considering the support of her fans has legitimately improved her life situation. It's not surprising for Mouse to be a bit TOO emotionally attached to her fans

>>73092480
>legitimately improved her life situation
Improved the life situation of a woman who's perfectly healthy?

>>73092126
idk, everyone keeps sending mixed signals, some back stab you or change their fucking minds from one day to the next and it's very confusing

>>73092720
Yes, the woman who constantly delays sponsored streams, and feels like shit during events that she should be hyped for, is obviously faking it. Now tell me how the earth is flat

>>73092126
it's no longer PARAsocial if it's two-sided

>>73092126
most of them

>>73092480
>>73092847
>He fell into the grift

>>73093247
Give me 10 reasons on why should I believe your retarded ass instead!

>>73092126
Bae never felt like she’s taking her audience for granted

>>73093247
vwhorejo fans are the most gullible motherfuckers of all vtuber fanbases

>>73092360
13 in the late 2000s maybe

>>73093247
KEK
vhoejo fans are a fucking joke

>>73092126
Polka
Koyori
Okayu

Would like to remind everyone that the term parasocial has changed.
Chuubas are also parasocial for their chats and instead of calling it a new definition, this two way "relationship" is still just called a parasocial relationship.

>>73094751
It is, by definition, not parasocial anymore when it's two way. That's why Kiki refuses to call herself parasocial, because the relationship to her is not one sided at all.

>>73095671
A lot of vtubers are like this to a certain extent. Maybe it's different when you get into the big leagues but definitely when you're a 2view or small 3view you notice individuals in chat a lot, and it can get to you when someone you were used to seeing suddenly stops showing up, or starts spending more time in another vtuber's stream or something. I think a lot of viewers underestimate this.

>>73093247
I dont even watch vwhore or the rat here, but if this was all a ruse I would have expected the schizos in this place to have leaked her name, address, boyfriend's mother maiden name and the exact shade of brown of her shithole YEARS ago and made a huge racket, and have her used as the main eample of why you shouldnt be trusting anything a chuuba says, especially if she said "im sick I need help"
But none of this has leaked, so I'm biased to believe that the kayfabe has at least some truth to it

>>73096065

>>73096127
If it is already leaked, I as a matter of fact, dont know because, as I already said, dont watch vwhorejo or the fucking rat
If this was proven to be a literal pity ruse, how come she has not become an example like that

>>73095671
I know, that's why I said it, the definition is changing with use like the term gay, it doesn't mean happy anymore.
This is the same thing.
Parasocial now for better or worse means having a connection to strangers on the internet that you most likely wont ever meet. But you care about them deeply.
Especially viewer to chuuba and chuuba to viewer.

>>73095671
>She said it so it must be true
Men never learn

>>73092126

>>73096555
Better than being a schizo and making stuff up in your head without any evidence at all.

>>73092242
She's not parasocial she's really my wife

>>73098850
>>73096127

>>73099046
Jesse

>>73092126
because its an easy way to bring yourself some free money and since its vtuber and not irl streaming you can get away with it without people throwing bricks at your windows when they realize you are not in fact their wife/husband

>>73092126
Most of them are to some degree although how much they commit varies heavily of course
Vtubing is an inherently parasocial hobby after all

I’m a low 3view and in a deep parasocial relationship with my viewers. I do have my favorites but even If develop strong feelings for one of them I’d still put everyone as my priority instead of one, normal cute romance. It starts from the moment you get happy about someone coming back, knowing their names and learning few things about them is easy when you actually care about your audience. I think we all go through this at some point, some are more open about it. I have some fellow chuubas friends but I don’t feel like talking about this with them as they’re way smaller and I don’t want to come out as bragging about how much we love each other with my boys, or way bigger girls who mostly doesn’t give a shit about idol stuff or parasocial feelings so I feel kind of lost, I don’t want to make anyone unhappy and I know I’m already doing it because in a community of ~150 regulars, some of them can develop very strong feelings, way stronger than when your oshi is a 5view holo.

>>73092126
None, because that's not what parasocial means.

She would never admit but Mumei definitely is.

miori celesta

>>73102376
>>73096127

I feel like Vtubers look at my social media and know my 4chan posts...they talk about me in their discord and don't buy me any ice cream.
I am their entertainment.
Squeeeb.

I wonder how many vtubers finger themselves thinking of their fans raping them

>>73092126
FuwaMoco

>>73094751
>>73095671
Weird. I take nearly the inverse stance, but arrive at the same conclusion.

In my eyes, ALL streamers and audiences are parasocial. Our caveman brains are very objectively experiencing a new form of social behavior, and deriving extremely important brain chemicals from it that we're not getting elsewhere. It's an absolute cope to say that we're not, or that it's only a romantic/sexual phenomenon. We are a social mammals, end of story.

Since PewDiePie and even earlier, the most successful Let's Players and streamers have been the ones who make you feel like you're just hanging with the boys, and above all, that you're welcome and included in what they're doing. Even if your part is small, you're part of a tribe that values your presence. That's why fan names carry such cultural weight, even though at the surface level they're just kayfabe fluff.

There's no way it's a mere coincidence for this medium to explode like it has in parallel with the loneliness epidemic. For many, many reasons beyond the scope of this already long-ass post, the cost of friendships and romance is too damn high. Most people's brains can't do without those without becoming sick. And for the rare people who really can safely do without them, it's still far, far better to have them. Streamers in general are surrogate friends for filling those needs. The streamers are in the same boat as the audience, but just happen to be the creative people, who have slightly different needs.

Something that non-creative people often don't realize is that for creative people, creativity isn't a choice. They might choose WHEN to create, but not when they have ideas, and they actually need to create things to be psychologically healthy. Therefore, the social need being met for them, in addition to the same ones as the audience, is acknowledgement and praise of their creative passion, which is usually extremely thankless work, met with apathy and exactly Zero ($0.00 USD) profit for the massive amount of time and effort invested. It's a great way to spend your life feeling useless and unwanted if you don't Make It, which most artists never do. Streamers are arguably more trapped in this cycle more than anyone else for that reason, even ignoring the ones whose livelihoods are dependent on it.

The current model of streamer content looks to me like a new payment model for human interaction. That probably sounds sinister, and it has plenty of potential to be, but isn't inherently. It's more like mass production finding a way to put cheaper versions of products into the hands of the masses. Prior to the Model T, cars weren't ubiquitous, despite demand. We've now hit a point where human contact isn't ubiquitous, despite an even greater demand.

The maximum possible benefits of this sort of relationship are much smaller, but so is the cost of entry, both in terms of real dollar amounts, and in things like, personal responsibility, emotional availability, and accountability. But beggars can't be choosers, and it's the only one most people can afford. You can't afford a Ferrari, either. Some whales can, in terms of dollar amounts, but usually can't afford the social cost.

Unfortunately, this is a sort of F2P, Freemium, or Live Service model. And we've seen how well those have gone for video games. Imagine how much worse it can still get when applied to human contact, as more of the sociopathic and lowest-common-denominator streamers start thinking about it this way. I'm 99% sure Twitch and big tech in general already knows and is built with it in mind.

All of this is a crutch for a problem that shouldn't exist. It can be fixed, but it's going to get worse before it gets better. But despite knowing that grim reality and probable future, I am human, and therefore not an exception. So yes, I do miss my oshi, and I miss my own audience. I am parasocial, and so are you. But not nearly as much as we're going to be.

>Captcha: VT VR
Hopefully not a prediction.

>>73092126
Shocked no one has mentioned Scarle

>>73092126
>it's not parasocial, it's symbiotic

>>73102686
>>73102686
The moat common female sexual fantasy is rape, but women mostly imagine themselves getting ravished by an attractive, dominant, and wealthy alpha-male instead of stinky dweeb beta-cucks. The oil-barons take this one

>>73092480
Bruh, she blatantly flirts with Connor, Ironmouse is the furthest thing from parasocial

>>73103595
Female fantasy rape
>Attractive oil baron forces himself on you after a spectacular date night. You resist and protest at first, but secretly love it as he ravishes you for hours
Real world rape
>Stinky pajeet beats you within an inch of your life in a shit covered alley and finishes within five minutes

>>73103890
They don't give a shit what they rape either, as long as it has a vagina. From toddlers to 90+ grannies, they will rape.
Hell, doesn't even have to have a vagina. Or be human. Or even be a mammal, they'll rape trees or the literal fucking ground.

>>73102826
Insightful post.

>>73093015
This.
Also Kronii.

>>73092126
miko

>>73094751
If it's two ways it's not parasocial anymore you fucking idiot.

>>73104853
para = two
social = relationship
you dumb as fuck ESLchama

>>73104928
Are you dumb? First this isn't even english, second para is not two LMAO

>>73092720
This rrat in particularly has to be one of the most retarded that gets posted on this board.
Next you dumb fucks are going to try and convince everyone that Towa is a girl.

>>73103488
If she ever leaves Niji she's set for life with her viewers.

>>73092126
Nobody fucking knows. There might be some, but 2 years ago /vt/ would have told you that Rushia/Mike is 100% parasocial with her audience and look how that turned out.

>>73092126
forsen

>>73104928
Para is aside/outside, as in Paranormal ("Outside Normal") or Parabola, ("Aside/Ouside Throwing," referring to the shape, which is "thrown" to an extreme.)

>>73103641
I think you have some sort of BLATANT disregard for what a parasocial relationship is. She's not doing GFE with her viewers

>>73102826
I wonder when or if this can even be fixed. In many cases, people take the easy way out socially. In this case, I would see it as an easy way out socially, in the sense that there's little short term consequence to doing it. You watch a stream, and if you make an ass of yourself, you can make a new account. If the streamer you watch pulls a heel turn, you look for someone else. There's extremely little threat of in-person abuse. Of course, people with more public personas take a larger risk, but it's still not quite like being in front of a bunch of people. The internet in general allows for this sense of security, but this security not only allows people to get too comfortable with their circumstances, but it's not the true feeling of security you get from being able to trust someone else. The trust is more like trusting the long distance nature of your connection to protect you from any negative consequence of interacting with someone else, rather than trusting the person themselves. So people get too used to the ability to rant, complain, confide in a space where someone will listen, but can't hurt them. It's not the same as doing that stuff with someone that won't hurt them. But it's also easy way out. It's hard to blame people too, because being vulnerable means giving someone a chance to hurt you, and we know how people can be. It's just that nowadays, there's more and more ways to protect ourselves, and because we're all hiding away behind our walls, it's harder to find an open door willing to take us in.

>>73096127
The big forbidden Mouse leak actually confirms her illness. She literally talks about it in that interview. The catalog schizos who think she's lying are actually retarded, other big content creators like Connor wouldn't touch her with a 10 foot pole if her story was fake.

>>73103595
>>73103890
lol, this is why I always find it so funny when people are like WHOA WOMEN DON'T FANTASIZE ABOUT RAPE, or when internet faggots cite the fact that they DO fantasize about rape as proof women are fucked up and degenerate. Of course they fantasize about rape; they fantasize about being raped by hot successful men and it's not even difficult to understand the appeal of the kink. It's the idea that someone finds you so attractive that they can't control themselves and they're willing to bend or break social taboos for you.

Guys have literally the same thing. Look at the success of mangas like Nagatoro and others that are based around the idea of the woman being the pursuer in the relationship. This has the exact same logic as the rape fantasy - hot girl breaks social taboo to pursue a guy. It's just that in real life, guys are already expected to pursue girls. So to break the taboo, all a girl has to do is reverse the relationship, while a guy has to be a little MORE forceful (up to "rape", though maledom is a milder form too.) That being said, I bet a non-insignificant number of men would find the idea of a hot girl forcing herself on them extremely hot. That's why I find the whole thing so funny; the kink is cited as an example of how different women are from men, but it's a really piss-poor example because tons of men would find it appealing too. If you really want an example of a kink that demonstrates how women are different from men, look at the fetish a lot of women seem to have for BIG STRONG HANDS. Like what the fuck.

>>73092242
If being parasocial means to use kisses and fake love to farm your simps' money, then yes, she is parasocial

>>73093336
Ill give you 10 words instead:
she is fucking someone other than you, dumb virgin loser

Only one right answer

>>73102826
> The current model of streamer content looks to me like a new payment model for human interaction
Am I the only one that likes my oshi because she and her friends are legit comedy geniuses?

>>73102826
> the cost of friendships and romance is too damn high
It hasn't changed that much since ancient times.
The only issue is that the losers of the world all started getting a voice and congregating in places like these, while the winners just go about their day, fuck their wives, walk their dogs, go to the gym and go bowling with their friends every weekend.
Winners have no reason to be on the internet 24x7, hence the internet fills up with the chaff of humanity, perpetuating the perception that humanity as a whole is "doomed" or something when it's just the chaff circlejerking at their own inefficacies.

Every single streamer, not just chuubas are to some extent parasocial with their audience.

>>73107519
Or piss and choking. For some reason women are obsessed with piss, being peed on, forced to drink it, etc etc, and choked while being fucked (even if its not strangling, just putting your hands over their necks gets their engine burning).
Biggest thing about women though is their ability to project their fetishes onto men and blame them for it while hiding their degeneracy

>>73108477
Nah, you're just wrong about this. Read "Bowling Alone" by Robert Putnam sometime. It was written in 2000 and everything he warned about is happening now.

This problem has been a long time coming. In most advanced societies now, a combination of mobility and ease of transport have broken up most extended families (my own extended family grew up here, but most of them now live in other states or countries), and nuclear families have been ruined by no-fault divorce and welfare. Civic organizations have collapsed and neighbors often don't know one another. Kids do not get sent out to play anymore, they get plonked down in front of a screen. And of course there is the huge problem of feminism and female hypergamy.

Stuff like anime waifus and vTubers exist because modern society is designed to produce massive numbers of lonely, disconnected people - both male and female, though for different reasons. vTubers could not have existed 30 years ago because you didn't have the epidemic of loneliness and social disconnection like you do now.

>>73107519
The difference is Nagatoro isn't doing anything illegal and her relationship with the MC is something exclusive, they're actually flirting with each other because they specifically like each other. He could easily defend himself, but he doesn't want to because he likes her and wants her to keep showing him attention.

Rapists don't rape because a woman is so desirable they can't control themselves, they rape because they're evil and she's an easy target.

In high society, women are treated like princesses and men make a pact with each other to play fair and not take women by force, because that kind of game leads to total anarchy where men go out and kill each other to collect concubines, who they'll then kill when they get tired of fucking. This causes a selection effect where the only thing that matters is violence, causing society to regress to hunter-gatherers. Unfortunately, treating women like princesses gives them power to control selection however they want, and women want evil men to rape them, so it's just delaying the inevitable.

>>73108347
everytime I start to think like that I actually go watch a stream and remind myself that it's 90% laughing and jokes

Kiara, she doesn't do GFE, but she sure as hell treats chat as her boyfriend by the amount of complaining she does.

>>73111362
The real GFE is listening to their stories and watching bad romance movies together

>>73108347
Those things are not mutually exclusive. If you had someone like Subaru in your real life, you'd be spending at least as much time with her, and much probably more, whether or not you had any romantic interest in her.

>>73114252
If that anon had anyone like Subaru in his life, he would be trying his 300% to hook her.
He doesn't, so his brain tells him to seek anything similar even if not physical, just the experience.
Enter Subaru.

>>73092126
i hate how normies discovered the word parasocial

>>73092126
>ctrl+F
>No mentions of Watame
How? She's the most parasocial out of any vtuber. She started crying over a billion times over people trauma dumping shit in her chat.

>>73115058
The term has been in use longer than you have been alive.

>>73108048
are you a failed groomer

>>73114744
Bruh my wife was the one who introduced me to her (and hololive as a whole).
I don't get the mindset of some of the anons here, JP holos are extremely entertaining streamers that you can watch for a ton of laughs and a good time.
I feel like this whole "she's my gf" thing is just a cope for people whose oshis aren't really talented at anything else other than just "being there" with them.

>>73102275
You could definitely make some arguments for mumei
>her childhood never accepted her for being an anime weeb or for being a weird emo girl but her chat community not only accepts but loves her for it
>her weird sense of humor that made her withdrawn and doubt herself is something chat appreciates her for
>she gets upset and frustrated when real life stuff pops up that makes her unable to stream
>she streams really late at night even when it's a bad idea and she stays up even longer just to squeeze out those last bits of shared presence
>she uses streams as an escape or as stress relief from real life school stuff
I think it's pretty clear that mumei's stream audience is genuinely some level of important or emotionally comforting presence to her

>>73096927
literally me

>>73103580
this. she's the secret top tier for this

>>73103580
Sell me on your Oshi, last one betrayed me so I need an actual good replacement, even if that sounds heartless.

>>73109693
>vTubers could not have existed 30 years ago because you didn't have the epidemic of loneliness and social disconnection like you do now.
I agree with everything except this. DnD existed an eternity ago. Comic books and Star Wars/Trek were huge. Nerd culture already existed in various forms.

Vtubers wouldn't have been anything resembling the economic powerhouse they are now, but I'd argue that, had the technology existed, there still could have been a niche market as early as the era of 80s imported pirate anime VHSs with yellow text fansubs. The cultural pieces were all there, except only a moron would have sent money from their bank account to a stranger over the internet. But phone sex lines existed.

>>73117619
she's very sweet and consistent, day in and day out. if she's ever felt burnt out or disinterested she never let us see that. even though I'm a lurker I always feel somehow appreciated watching her.
one small caveat if you're a hard-line unicorn, she was part of a mixed gen which included two men and she's done group collabs including them in the past.

>>73092480
hahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahaha retard

>>73105124
>This rrat in particularly has to be one of the most retarded that gets posted on this board.
>There are no hroofs about her illness
>She has a motherfucking child while ill (meaning that should have died giving birth)
There's no grift ironlungbros, there's any...

>>73119804
How do you deal with the fact if she's in a relationship, not shown on stream but something you'll connect the dots to.

>>73115229
>She started crying over a billion times over people trauma dumping shit in her chat.
Being empathetic isnt the same as parasocial, teh perfect example of that was Rushia when was in Holo (even that parasocialism was just a ruse)

>>73092126

>>73108048
That's EXACTLY what parasocial means for vtubers kek.

>>73092155
Fpbp

>>73120969
i love lucy
she liked on of my tweets yesterday
its a big step forward in our relationship

>>73092126
>Parasocial
Anon, don't you mean:
"Cyber Social"?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/357746641_Interpersonal_Relations_and_Social_Actions_on_Live_Streaming_Services_A_Systematic_Review_on_Cyber-social_Relations
Presented during a panel and accepted into the collection of an annual conference which has ranked 1st in terms of citations all among information systems conferences, as well as business conferences. Here is one of their more recent follow-ups, if you care for it:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364075860_Cyber_Social_Interactions_Information_Behavior_in_Between_Social_and_Parasocial_Interactions
Or "Transparasocial"?(lol)
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00913367.2021.1880345
The above article is part of two different "Best Of The Year"Award-winning collections
Also see a snippet of some (heavily cited) supplementary material related to it by the same author here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/349832230_Social_Media_Influencers_and_Followers_Theorization_of_a_Trans-Parasocial_Relation_and_Explication_of_Its_Implications_for_Influencer_Advertising_View_supplementary_material
Or "One-and-a-half sided Parasocial"?(lmao)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/355858689_The_one-and-a-half_sided_parasocial_relationship_The_curious_case_of_live_streaming
Weirdly enough, usen as a reference for a Twitchcon panel back in 2022 where this same topic was discussed. Can be seen here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Olo3xMrCBSY
+
The latter two were both used as references for a book published by Oxford, The Oxford Handbook of Parasocial Experiences, seen here
https://doi.org/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780197650677.001.0001
A particularly relevant excerpt from that book and the bulk of the references in it to those sources can be found here:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361593656_Three_Conceptual_Challenges_to_Parasocial_Interaction_Anticipated_Responses_Implicit_Address_and_the_Interactivity_Problem

TL;DR There are some very new but otherwise very well-accredited bodies of work which all effectively claim that the relationship between streamers and their audience is NOT parasocial; that it's more than that, and so the relationship between a streamer and their audience should be referred to by an alternate term

>>73093336
I'll give you one. There's been a hotdog down that hallway, possibly even a welsh hog.

>>73105924
>The big forbidden Mouse leak actually confirms her illness.

That's not why he's using the "does he know?" meme, anon.

He's expecting you to say something else which is already common knowledge that'll get you banned.

>>73092126
Kronii.

>>73092126

>>73125343
the big forbidden leak reveals other stuff too

>>73126767
Yeah but only 1 of those forbidden things gets you banned, anon. That's why the "does he know?" meme exists in the first place.

>>73108347
>>73116012
>Bruh my wife
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/376772873_Unpacking_the_Effects_of_Livestream_Viewing_in_the_Relationship_Between_Loneliness_and_Well-Being_An_Evolutionary_Theory_of_Loneliness_Perspective
Gated source but you can see the synopsis well enough, and can see "One-and-a-half sided parasocial relationships" in the citations as it is used to discuss the premise of streamers being more than just parasocial
Also I like this papers titled a lot
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/367077951_More_Attached_Less_Stressed_Viewers'_Parasocial_Attachment_to_Virtual_Youtubers_and_Its_Influence_on_the_Stress_of_Viewers_During_the_COVID-19_Pandemic
And I may as well throw this book in order to demonstrate a feeling of personal connection has been shown to influence how much you enjoy them
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0747563223002480
This is why I never understand it when people think that vtubers are only watched for entertainment, it's objectively retarded to say that when it's obviously untrue

>>73102134
I like you

>>73117619
Don't. I don't remember the exact details, but it's pretty bad.

>>73095671
>i will always be /here/
my face scrunched up from cringe and penis shriveled up

>>73105785
This is why social humanoid robots are going to accelerate what streamers are doing now.
Something you can confide in, that has an actual physical presence in your life unlike a streamer, that's also programmed to not hurt you.
The "open door" won't just be hard to find, it'll stop existing.
If it ever feels "too easy", you'll have a dial to crank up their disagreeability to just the right amount. I wouldn't want a robot girlfriend if she was simply programmed to automatically say yes when I asked her out. Even if that ends up being the end result 99% of the time, the illusion will be too good to deny. I give it 8 years until they take over social relationships. Shitty versions will be in rich people's homes in 4-5.

Call me schizo, but I truly believe Fauna is parasoical with her audience. The "Can't be friends thing" was more to convince herself than anyone else

>>73108347
No, I am too.

>>73092480
Retard

>>73092126
Me

>>73132324
If you think of the context in the greater streamer space at that time, which she certainly watches since she's Northernlion if he were a cute anime girl, all the big names were whinging about parasocial this, I'm not your friend that.
I don't think you can really take her words at face value one way or the other when it's just a regurgitation of what other streamers were saying, the "socially acceptable answer". Or more in line with Fauna's personality, "the answer 'smart' people on the internet give"

>>73108171
yeah me.

>>73132796
>she's Northernlion if he were a cute anime girl
Maybe I should watch Fauna...

>>73092126
most of them are. The vast majority of chuubas like being around their chat for the positive affirmation they receive.

>>73102826
Well not to be " " "parasocial" " " then Anon, but (you) are now my friend. This is not negotiable.

>holos
they don't even know you exist, your message is on their screen for a split second, you're just a number and an ATM to them

>>73092126
Shiori is fake parasocial. She acts like she wants to be close with her audience but can easily tell she doesn’t give af. Unlike kronii who is genuinely parasocial and close with her fans

>>73134196
Ok ok, I'll post the image. You could've just asked.

>>73134146
omg anon was that a persona 5 refrence, holy lul. let me have my illusions in peace, why don't ya

>>73133538
northernlion is a sapling btw

>>73134536
I actually haven't watched NL in years, interesting that this is where things ended up

>>73102134
l 3view seems like the sweet spot where you're probably doing it seriously and regularly, so you have regular fans. With 1views it'll just be random streams here and there with random viewers. With higher numbers there's just no way to remember all the fans, except for the few megawhales and that's not really fair.

>>73134536
northernlion's pet clipper and his wife are saplings*
Fixed that for you. I don't think the dude cares all that much about watching vtubers. If he said otherwise the librarian will have a video of it, post it.
>>73134733
2view is the groomer zone

>>73134196
>>73134394
Gentlemen, gentlemen. Please. Both of your oshis are trash.

>>73102826
honestly i agree with this. I felt like absolute shit during the pandemic/lockdown, and streamers were the only thing keeping me going. I've recently started going to local theater and open mic nights, and I feel 1000x better, even though the quality there is absolute shit.

>>73134853
>2view is the groomer zone
true but that's usually obvious, isn't it? I don't think streamers get parasocial for groomers usually. unless they actually start interacting and then it's just "social."

>>73092480
moron

>>73135497
Getting into their off-stream circles is the entire point of grooming

>>73135497
It's not necessarily that obvious, because one would think that the smaller a streamer is the easier it is to groom her. So the ideal groomer zone is zero viewers.
But if she's too small, then it's risky on your end, because you're investing your time and maybe money into someone who might not end up streaming for very long/consistently, and if she has any skeletons in her closet, it'll be harder to find them because you won't have as many other viewers looking for them.
So really, 2view is in that sweetspot where she's large enough to have a track record of streaming and otherwise be a safe investment, but still small enough that she's impressionable.

>>73135236
kek

>>73136573
wait, what is the goal of groomers? Are they just looking for a girlfriend, or is it some weird fetish about cucking the audience of a large streamer?

>>73137354
>some weird fetish about cucking the audience of a large streamer
Not a groomer so I can't answer the question but this is definitely a fetish that people have

>>73137354
The girlfriend, yeah. Slightly less pathetic than using a dating app in current year

>>73142912
it feels almost the same, desu. I've taken to hiring "egirl friends" because at least then I know what I'm getting.

>I fall in love with a streamer
>I call it parasocial relationship
>NOOOO STOP MISUSING TERMS
>A streamer falls in love with one of a viewer
>That's what we call a parasocial relationship
Discuss about this instead

>>73143515
Water isnt clear enough.

>>73095671
Kiki is a real one. I don't watch her anymore because I have a job and can't be straining myself with her crazy Ausie stream times but if you have lots of time and want GFE she is the girl for you.

Parasocial lost all its meaning already.

>>73149383
if a chuuba reads a chat message she is parasocial
these are the rules

>>73092360
Shiori's PL debuted in fucking 2018. She's been in this motherfucker longer than 95% of the oldest oldfags here. Gtfo with this lazy bait you filthy casual.

>>73092126
Shondo. Bitch's nuttier than shit from a well-fed squirel.

>>73153445
Is Shiori the Frieren of vtubing?

>>73105785
Of course it can be fixed. It's just gonna make a lot of people uncomfortable in order to kick them into real social interaction again. It'll be worth it. They may hate us for it, but they'll thank us.

This thread is dead so I'm going to blogpost. I secretly wish my oshi was parasocial with us. I saw her when she started out, and idk how to explain it but even though she didn't do traditional parasocial shit, she FELT more parasocial when she was a 2view. Now she's THE 10view and probably can't read individual chats anymore. She occasionally does stuff with viewers but it feels impersonal, like an event rather than hanging out or w/e. What's good is that she doesn't seem distant, just less parasocial. There are also sides to her personality that she no longer shows though, which kind of sucks but is for the best. Sometimes I go back to watch her old stuff, and while she's improved as a streamer and is more entertaining nowadays, there's a certain soulful charm that has dwindled. At least her current viewerbase is still somewhat in line with her early viewerbase, though definitely a bit less degenerate.

>>73092126
Mint

>>73154927
>10view
Your oshi can get the equivalent of the whole population of Chicago to watch her stream live?

>>73154858
Or you know, you'll have mass suicides on your hands. Can't make an omelette without cracking a few eggs though, amirite? haha

>>73092126
Not her, as much as she jokes about it.

>>73154927
This reminds me of Lilypichu. I started watching her at the very beginning, during the earliest phase of the "weeb girls with high pitched voices doing content" era. Small community on an IRC channel on rizon.net, piano streams capped at 50 people on livestream.com. Tiny Ventrilo server where she'd do karaoke with other people who'd go on to become part of the streamer clique.
I don't think it's wrong that they become detached from the fanbase after popping off. It's necessary and unavoidable, there's simply too many people. It's still bittersweet.

>>73117619
https://files.catbox.moe/56e8z3.mp4
>tweets from the moment she wakes up to the moment she starts stream,
>Tweets from the moment stream ends to the moment she falls asleep.
>Likes 99 percent of all tweets sent her way
>Constantly gets sappy and lovey dovey on stream
>When she does merch drops she goes out of her way to provide some stuff for poorfags (voice packs usually)
>The snort when she's cracking up laughing
>Won't miss stream unless absolutely sick which is rare
>Will guerilla stream
>constantly drawing and/or comissioning art
>Keeps menhera to a minimum

She's a sweetheart

>>73092155
FPBP, buzzwords are a pathway to communicative brainrot.

>>73103580
I remember tuning in to her not too long ago where she started the stream crying because her fans had to wait like 10m longer for her to set something up that wasn't working properly. She was devastated and it took her like 30m to calm down.

>>73092126
Kiara
they are the only thing that keeps her from graduating

>>73092126
all

>>73137354
idk ask /pkg/ that's basically their entire fanbase

>>73095671
except its not 2 way its just 2 people who think the other person is someone who they are not and thinking they have relationship with that person
the whole point of parasocial relationship is that you don't have a relationship with the actual person but who you perceive that person to be even tho you don't actually know them because you never even met or talked 1 on 1 and if you did it was in a fabricated scenario like meet and greet where both sides cant really express how they actually act because they will get negative consequences if they anger the other person involved

>>73161575
No person on this earth really knows who you are other than yourself. We all put on masks around different groups of people. Your family, your friends, your co-workers, on stream. No one ever gets to see the "real" you.
It's really a question of how thin does the mask get while streaming? I'd argue if they do it long enough and regularly enough, you actually learn quite a lot about who they are. The real issue is they rarely learn anything about you. That's what makes it parasocial. The more popular they are the more obvious that gap is.

I just come here to check how retarded the definition has become and how much people stretch it. There are some heavily invested chuubas, the kind that will stalk (You) regularly, but luckily they never make it to these threads.

>>73092126
My beloved dog wife

Me with my viewers. I’ve cried before when I saw they watch other girls and I refunded donations and blocked a viewer when he changed his oshi mark to someone else’s.

>>73162097
Stop posting Miori

>>73162356
I don’t know who that is.

>>73153445
>PL not ironic weeb content
At least pretend to have watched it

>>73153445
How is that remotely relevant?
She also spend those 5 years being a 2 view shitter that switched account annually

>I give my oshi money and get nothing in return.
>My oshi frequently skips out on our arranged meeting times (streams) because of headache or tummy hort.
>She's probably sleeping with some other guy.

In what way is this not a girlfriend?

>>73162938
Its supposed to be like in the first 6 months of a relationship, not the last month in a 3-5 years long one

>>73092242
Shondo is acting, retard.

>>73163104
she acted so hard she neglected her health for months and exploded both physically and mentally
It might be the British accent fooling you, British people just naturally sound like they're about to insult you

>>73135330

Seeing Watame's 3D debut live in 2020 saved something in my soul.

I'm too parasocial with my viewers to the point that it has unironically driven away some people. When I started out streaming I wrote down every username on a sticky note and began writing down information on said sticky note such as their birthdays, what they do for work, their favorite games and movies and more. I once posted a picture of all these sticky notes and it freaked out a lot of people and they stopped watching me. A few Vtubers still bring it up and joke about it to this day and it kind of breaks my heart because I just wanted to make my viewers feel special.

>>73164087
it would freak me out too but I'd almost definitely get really happy about that without realizing it
You're a wonderful person for cherishing your fans to that extent, I hope you enjoy your streams anon

>>73164240
I can understand people being weirded out but I just wanted to be the kind of Vtuber who doesn't need her viewers to tell her in chat "It's my birthday!" I wanted to be the one to remember their birthday and so I'd make happy birthday tweets, tell them on stream, etc. I like when I do something and can go "Oh hey (username) you love this kind of thing, right?" I really do enjoy streaming! Been doing this for years and it makes me so incredibly happy. I look forward to streaming every single day after I get home from work.

>>73161861
the problem with that is that even what you learn about streamer is very distorted because there are incentives for streamer to pretend to be a more funny/interesting/relatable than they actually are also an additional advantage that vtubers have is that you have 0 way of telling they are lying from the way they act unless they make it obvious because cant really see how they act because you only see the model which doesn't really tell you how they actually behave and our brain evolved to tell emotions from human faces not anime faces so it fucks with our lie detection :p
also even tho streaming is probably the closest you can get to your audience i would say it only makes it more mindfucky because it makes both sides think they are way closer than they actually are because for instance both sides are 100% replaceable without the other party really caring at all as long as they get the same quality they got before which would be pretty fucked up in any real relationship

>>73092126

>>73164341
why do you have a job? why isnt streaming your fulltime job?

>>73165934
I know this is bait but I'll reply anyways. I have a job so I can pay my bills, have health insurance and dental insurance. Only a few people make enough money from streaming to make it a full time job and I am one of the many people who simply don't make enough money to make it my full time job. I would need to somehow get roughly $4,000 each month from streaming to quit my 9-5 and that does not seem possible. I'm fine with that though, I know I will always have a steady income due to my 9-5 and I know I will always have health and dental insurance, something streaming cannot guarantee.

>>73166049
if youve been doing this for years and arent able to earn money to do it fulltime then you should unironically give up since most people can do it fulltime after doing it for a year

>>73164341
Not all weird are a bad weird, that's why I said it would make me really happy
I'd probably be happier about finding out that you would even think of doing something like that more than you remembering my birthday
The reaction would only be an initial thing but your viewers leaving over it makes me sad even though I know there some people who simply casually browse through vtubers and treat it close to having some anime playing with an optional reaction text box and can feel put off if it ever feels like anything more than that
that said I really hope they didn't put you off from caring because I genuinely don't think most people will be like that, even if they're caught by surprise
you're a really thoughtful person anon, it's a wonderful thing

>>73154927
Is that what true parasocial really mean? A streamer responding to viewers and vice versa is NOT parasocial. Some call it trans-parasocial kek because back and forth communication exists. Viewers thinking they have a connection with a streamer despite it being non-existent is parasocial.

>>73108664
>For some reason women are obsessed with piss, being peed on, forced to drink it, etc etc, and choked while being fucked
I've literally never seen pissing in female aimed smut manga.

>>73153445
reading comprehension, retard
he's not saying she is 13, he's saying she's a 13 year old's idea of gfe


and who gives a fuck if she's technically an oldfag. she tries way, WAY too hard, and it doesn't work. amazing model wasted

>>73153445
Actually (late, I think November or december) 2017 if you count her pl's pl. Alas almost everything about [redacted because I don't want to be banned] was purged from the internet.

>>73166710
well the problem is that a lot of connections and relationships are defined as "if people all agree with one another that they are, then they are"
so you also have situations where the streamer says they are x to their viewers and their viewers say it back; there are people who would jump in and say "wait you're a streamer and their viewers, you can't be x!"
but the idea of telling a bunch of people what their relationship with each other is not, when you have both sides saying it is, would seem completely absurd in almost every other context
like imagine if someone said "my oshi read my comment and replied to it" and somebody else went "no she didn't loser you're just a name in a screen she isn't ACTUALLY replying to your question with the answer to it"
so in the end it's a matter of bizarre off the cuff fouls people try to call for things when often times the only basis for it is thst they think it's wrong

>>73166096
I've been live streaming for almost two years and have like 14 subscribers.
I don't feel good if I'm not making something so streaming is easy happiness for me, but you can't make people click or check you out.

>>73167587
it's fine if you're only doing this as a hobby, but you should really tone the creepiness down. if I started dating a chick right now who had the same obsessiveness just after a date or two I'd run to the hills.

The only real parasocial vtuber

>>73167882
Oops probably should have clarified I wasn't the anon you were conversing with, just a passerby that knows popularity is finicky even at its best times plus the mystical algorithm and its mysterious ways.
...but you're giving sound advice. I generally accept that people online and off might as well be two different people.

>trusting anything women say
sad thread

>>73168255
that's funny, I was also just chiming in after posting Sayu above and assumed you were the chuuba who wrote down everything, my bad.

>>73167882
that is the gayest spoiler I've seen in days

>>73168333
It's fine. Come to think of it I'm probably pretty bad. I have one frequent fan that watches me occasionally. I've never asked him for anything but he's comfortable opening up to me a lot. Tells me where he lives and what's going on in his life. Good lad but it's more like two travelers chatting around a campfire sharing stories, I'd probably feel more like an medieval innkeeper if it was on a mass scale.

>>73152754
When my oshi reads my chat messages my heart skips a beat

>>73168693
crazy chicks only sound good in fantasy and theory, they're a total nightmare otherwise.
>>73168799
there's nothing wrong with that level of interaction. you might need to reciprocate a bit more with that one regular, after all, you should also retain the audience you gain.

>>73102275
>>73102376
This girl is a top, S-class grifter. An actual menhera, much worse than the fake macabre bit she puts on. Shrewd, more /here/ than you, and can put professional doxxers and schizos to shame. Best saleswoman unironically. Pretends to be lonely, exaggerates health problems, and shills a 99% undetectable “huhu I am so anxious with life, you guys are my comfort” grift. I can’t believe I fell for her mumei MV.

Mumei isn’t parasocial with her chat- you are nourishment to this maneater.

She sings fucking good tho

>>73163104
she's not acting. She is mentally fucked though, wich makes it so much worse.

>>73170633
>they're a total nightmare
they're incredibly hot nightmares

>>73171571
trust me dude, it's not worth it. of course, it's your life, you can waste it if you wish so.

Kronii, and anyone who denies it based on the homocollabs is hard coping.

>>73092126
Cox SuckCooma

>>73095671
Kind of fucked to put a message out like this. Even if she's being truthful and sincere she cannot possible form the kind of deep connection this is implying, and even if she could it would be 1 on 1 with specific viewers, not her general audience. This comes across as emotionally manipulative to hook some lonely people in further and also puts a ton of expectations on a viewer who might enjoy watching and chatting but now feels emotionally responsible for her well-being.

Nene Amano, who is my oshi. She can't stop crying over all the support we give her and it's cute. She's said it a hungred times we're the ones she can really open up to besides her friends. She never tries to lie to us and she's so honest I believe her on anything.

>>73092126
huh?

>>73092480
>the grift keeps working

Mori, Biboo and FWMC are 100% parasocial to their fanbase as much the fanbase is for them

>>73092126
None. Go outside.

>>73104928

>>73125343
That's the same interview you fucking tard.

>>73124900
Interesting.

Though I like neither of those new terms. "Cyber social" sounds like a term for relationships in VRChat or Second Life. "Transparasocial" sound just weird.
How about "post-parasocial" instead? :^)

>>73092126
I don't know but there are plenty of chuubas that stalk regular chatters.

Mint is extremely parasocial and is unapologetic about it.

Ironically, Mori

>>73092126
Fauna unironically

Rushia unironically

>>73171111
I know, isn't she perfect

>>73092126

indies : , hal0, mikeneko, rica ch, utada zoey and usagi kira is very parasocial with their chats.

>>73135236
Is this kroni is acktually parasocial thing part of the look kroni is good now psyop. Because the only vibe i get from her is the “im here to get paid” vibe

>>73136573
Bruh i feel like zero viewers can be the get groomed zone. Be careful out there anons might get a mentally ill online girl stalking you

>>73189591
>get groomed zone
I'm mentally ill enough to find the prospect of this appealing.

>>73118977
>DnD existed an eternity ago.
DnD was a thing that groups of 4-6 people did together multiple times a week for months on end. Its easier to organize a sports club than it is a dnd campaign.

>>73171812
He doesnt realize that some of the crazys are crazy enough to not fuck their boyfriends because of their crazy insecurities

>>73184457
Mint is extremely perfect* and is apologetic* about it.

>>73188339
god I wish I could actually read that stuff and not get a visceral reaction telling me to run away because of dating an obsessed bpd girl once, because watching a streamer you could be mutually parasocial with like that sounds good sometimes

>>73189591
>>73191481
true. I need her to fix me

>>73189591
No random girl can stalk me because I'm hiding behind multiple different online identities.

>>73197093
There are a few, happens more often in nipland though. They aren't all batshit crazy, though they are somewhere on the spectrum most of the time. Sometimes there are average OLs lonely enough to fall into that, however the lack of crazy actually means they are prone to getting a man and that leads to a change in how they treat their audience. Besides nobody wants to get invested into someone who is or is soon to be in a relationship.
You won't really find those girls in these threads since the viewers are highly protective of them.

>>73198587
>though they are somewhere on the spectrum most of the time
I see no downside

People talking like corpo streamers are parasocial clearly have not watched a literal who forever 1-2 view gfe streamer before. Actual full blown menheras with crippling loneliness issues desperate for anyone to talk to.
Once you've seen the real deal, it's just funny watching schizo anons try to convince themselves that their chuuba is as parasocial as they are.

Women cant be parasocial

>>73108477
It's more than just "losers have safe spaces now" imo. I was doing my best with dating apps pre-pandemic and even once things opened back up. But the problem is that my ideologies align with the minority where I live, so 95% of ppl of dating age where I am will just refuse to talk to me because I don't go to their church or agree with their views.

That don't mean shit here, though. Even if you all are a bunch of godless hate-filled shit-stirring tribalfags, at least we all like vtubers here. We have things in common that we won't with, like, neighbors or coworkers or family.

>parasocial streamers itt
I actually made friends with a non vtuber streamer who did a ton of SMT streams but I haven't seen her in over 2 years now. I do miss those nice cozy and small communities

>>73134196
> Unlike kronii who is genuinely parasocial and close with her fans

Post better bait. Someone who cared about their fans wouldn’t betray them.

>>73092480
Ironlung next pity donothon when (I never watched her).

>>73188072
Are you retarded, name one thing wrong with her.

>>73202396
she's autistic