/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I’ll call it a positive for chuubakind

>>73080223
positive. all things considered they keep it pretty based. think about if a pozzed group like niji dominated ... would be grim and demoralizing for everybody worldwide.

I think all the shitty companies yabing themselves into irrelevance would've happened even without hololive

>>73080223
Positive, they set a higher bar for other companies.
I want my oshi taken care of (she is not a corpo tho).
Its good for chuubadom to have standards and big events.

>>73080223
Fuck your community. This is a competitive field not a playground. Compete or die.

>>73080223
VTubing itself is slowly pushing away from the pure "idol" style culture that it once was, and that includes Cover Corp.
Them winning the corpo war is a positive for the hobby at large just because it's showing that VTubing is not purely a drama-infested nightmare, but I think the bigger change is streamer culture essentially taking root in most other VTubing spaces.
VTubing is turning normie. At least, internet normie anyways. Think VShojo. Yes, that's techincally a VTubing corpo, but it really fuctions more like OTK and other streamer alliances than something like Cover/Niji do. THAT is what is driving VTubing growth right now. There will be more corpos of course trying to get the pie but the future is quasi-independence with streamers that act like Twitch personalities. We're already seeing it with Anny, Filian, Vei, etc etc. Notice how they are all Twitch streamers first, avatars second. They do almost all the same things that 5/6 years ago required a big corpo to get a chance in. Respect to Hololive for not being idiotic and chasing away all their talent, but their "dominance" in VTubing has likely already been broken into pieces by the Twitch subculture.

>>73081047
>and that includes Cover Corp
But that's wrong

>>73080223
Positive, I mean streaming scene has gotten too comfortable with drama bait and leeching other's with reaction content

>>73080223
hololive is what vtuber is,going with kizuna ai but live streaming,free from grifter and any shit that will ruin vtubing simply because yagoo and cover have a clear mindset and vision about how to manage everything and run a vtuber company.

not a single holoEN dealing with western twitch,twitter woketard retardation showing you how hololive understand how to manage things right,completely the opposite of nijisanji.

>>73081047
Yeah here's where the culture war for en vtubing comes in especially with large amounts of indies, what hololive should do for en is to do the same big projects and collaborations they do in JP to EN too(like more en songs, western collaboration rather than just on asia etc ...). Or at least hire people that has the passion to actually follow the path the JP senpais do rather than being comfortable with their current position(Indies would eventually win in changing vtubing culture by virtue of being many and the inherent nature of streaming, diluting it's original meaning unless hololive intends to push the peak and boundary for en side).

>>73080394
spbp

>>73080223
Hololive is totally irrelevant in the West. Japanese corpos are total shit at expanding overseas to the point of being irrelevant. Everyone wants to leech a Holo talent, but the company itself does not even sell merch in the US. Holo has zero presence in conventions. Since global offices don't exist, the vtubers are under retarded JP laws.
>Is hololive the best corpo?
Yes
>What is the impact of hololive in the west?
Minimal, Japan and SEA are more relevant. All the contracts, sponsors, shows, and more, are in Japan, not here.
I hope that the new US office will be the beginning of a serious expansion plan and not just a warehouse.

>>73080223
>Has Hololive becoming the most important vtubing company in Japan
Yes
>globally been a positive or negative for western vtubing?
The very existence of Western vtubing is itself a negative.

>>73080394

>>73080223
hololive has no effect on western vtubing. they're on their own little bubble. they rarely interact with chuubas outside of their own company and has no presence on twitch, the "western" vtubing platform.
maybe the US office will do something, but i doubt it because the japs sucks at expanding overseas. pearl harbor effect, KEK

HoloEN has no drive
they'll never have a significant presence in the west without hiring streamers who actually want to do the leg work

>>73083388
>nope, no room for you, pick a box
It’s even more hilarious that Yugo got the Stalin treatment out of all the organs despite having graduated “mutually”. Not uncommon for ex-organs but still.

>>73083976
Eh, people still pretend the care about her now that she's not a Niji though.

>>73080223
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC5E8ie2pdM&t=62s

>>73080394
This, and I already find it demoralizing enough to see how much support they still get despite how awful both their talents and company are.

>>73086622
What are ugly girls supposed to do if they want to be e-thots, chud?

>>73083789
This. The talents just take their position for granted. If I were to give it a feeling it's being in some kind of insular box, positive side is for differentiating themselves in content but since they're on youtube platform where algorithm decides who to recommend(often times who gets the most drama) it's very negative for future gens as there wouldn't be any new audience at most they'll just be sharing preexisting fanbase. It was funny when biboo was treated as a waiting room for gura but as I thought about it, aren't the audience just getting recycled what if majority would just stick with one chuuba, but that chuuba got rich and wouldn't stream anymore they wouldn't care to watch the other ones. The vtubing hype has died down, the lockdown is over and most of hololive audience only came from those times.
>Doesn't help the ones pushing effort keeps wanting to just attract JP audience and alienating en ones. En is theoretically a bigger pool for audience than JP but why is jp bigger? Also why does jp side of hololive despite being incredibly popular and successful still do their best(which in turn benefits everyone within hololive)?

>>73086864
Work in their inside, gather valuable skills and knowledge to compensate for their u-oh wait you said e-thots nevermind that just makes them the same as e-thots even if they hide their faces.
>They might even complain to their audience that they only watch them because of their sexually looking avatar lmao

>>73087374(me)
Thought about it again and meh fuck it. It all depends on the talents if they want all of it for themselves and not help future gens, then well it's the problem for those gens to solve on their own similar to what other small corpo's are doing to reach hololive level of success.

>>73080223
Negative.

>>73080223
Yes. Hololive is not only the most important vtubing company. Holo became the concept of vtubing itself. In the west, you don't classify companies on their merits but on their similarity to the Holo model. Vshojo is their anthitesis while early companies tried to copy them. They took various concepts from the creators around them back in the day and created something unique out of it, instead of settling to being Niji or Kizuna copycats (day 1 Sora was basically that) and they remain probably the only corpo that has done that. What they need now is good competition, Niji is done for but at the same time, shitters like Phase or Vshojo don't have the numbers to be able to put up a fight.

ESL as all hell up in here

>>73080223
I would say neutral, negative if it was niji

>>73081721
>not a single holoEN dealing with western twitch,twitter woketard retardation
Nerissa...

>>73087910
If there isn't competition, what they need is internal motivation to do better from within hololive itself by comparing themselves individually with other talents, I think you can see that sometimes whenever holoen says things about their more successful peers. Present gura is just a bad example to compare with and follow though. Must be demotivating to keep working hard and see your colleague earn lots of popularity and money doing nothing.

>>73080223
The Hololive fandom is the vtubing equivalent to Nintendo fanboys, a big bubble. Hololive fans don't watch other vtubers.

>>73083388
It's impressive how this person doesn't see the ship sank because of the culture the wanted in the company.
>>73087374
It's impressive anon doesn't realize EN audiences are shit and not worth pandering to

>>73083388
>boring because they don't have trans and queer members
Why do these people find gender identity so entertaining?

>>73081868
>like more en songs, western collaboration rather than just on asia etc
That won't do anything. VShojo became so massive in the first place because they were willing to collab with big twitch names like xQc or Asmongold. Networking is a big part of Twitch, if you are not friends or in collabs with some big guys nobody cares about you (WHO?), you are an outsider.

>>73081721
>not a single holoEN dealing with western twitch
None of them played HL.

>>73082783
Hololive is synonymous to the term vtubing, they made it popular in the west before even Myth debuted. How is it irrelevant?

>>73082783
>Hololive is totally irrelevant in the West
This is a good thing
>Japanese corpos are total shit at expanding overseas to the point of being irrelevant
This is also a good thing
>the new US office
This is a bad thing

The west is >>73083388 and >>73081047, pure cancer that needs to be destroyed.

>>73081047
Dread it, run from it, it will arrive eventually
The future is male collabs

>>73080223
A negative
Hololive EN should have become the most influential vtubing company in western vtubing but instead we ended up in a timeline where Hololive JP takes that place
HoloEN failed to deliver, too many yabs, too many vacations, too many male collabs, too much western brainrot, too few gens, too few talents that care about idol culture

>>73090822
By collab I was thinking more of things like the sushiro collab gura did.

>>73091745
I know, not sure if that would help very much to be honest. Why would someone care for ads or merch of someone they don't really care or even see streaming.

>>73080223
Hololive remaining more seiso is a positive influence. Also attracts higher-paying sponsors. Avoids politics and the latest cultural stances that split the audience. E-thots are a quick way to gain viewers, but usually have a low ceiling. Fans will expect more, leading to OF and special favors. Many of those indies give vtubers a bad reputation.

Wait until after Cover USA is established. Then will witness true expansion in the West.

>>73092206
>Cover USA
https://youtu.be/jYq2BpGKQKk?t=26

>>73080223
both
>positive
because being the industry leader means they can set standards and covers standards are, for the most part, good
>negative
because they're so far ahead of everyone else that they face no real competition and no real drive to innovate

Definitely a positive. They can and will still improve with time, but all-in-all, they are the gold standard.

>>73080223
The problem has never been Hololive, but it's rather the kind of people that it brought into VTubing. The walled garden was a good idea, because outside of it, everything tastes like shit.

>>73091968
For increasing curiosity for people to notice hololive, doesn't necessarily have to be gura.

>>73089147
This and brown and ESl

>>73092418
only true take, anyone else ITT is delusional

>>73080223
Hololive keeps vtubing centered on idoldom, which is only a good thing. After all, idols are amazing.

>>73092418
>no real competition and no real drive to innovate
Unironic holo vs holo, take their more successful branches as a goalpost to push for. The drive to innovate would probably come from other/future gens when they don't reach a comfortable amount of popularity to their liking or not satisfied after comparing with their more popular peers. You can see this with laplus wanting to be more popular ended up going to twitch.

>>73094017
Look how well that turned out for her kek

What I don't understand is why is it that despite Hololive's popularity, few competitors in EN actually try to ape them? Other than maybe Kawaii.

>>73094055
Yeah I remember someone telling her doing shorts would make her streams not get recommended more, made her go to twitch.

>>73080223
Yes because they showed the west that EN Vtubers can exist and thrive while making relatively clean content.

>>73094171
cuz hololive en does not apeal to the mainstream en audience. they appeal to the hard core otaku audience. people who are straight up learning or want to learn Japanese. not people who watch breaking bad, or comedy central. tbf its not like the hardcore otaku audience is super small, but its nothing compared to the mainstream audience. Thats why you have so many holo en girls moving to japan, because that's the "dream" of the "weaboo" audience

>>73094171
The content other competitors present is basically the same as any kind of flesh streamers just with an anime avatar on them. While hololive was the one that took vtubing seriously and pushed for a certain niche enough to make it a viable career for everyone that even someone like mori/suisei could use and people outside vtubing can treat them a little bit seriously too .
>Other's who would try to copy what hololive do would fail since they won't be able to differentiate themselves from someone who already does it better unless holoen gets lazy unlike their holojp counterpart.
that leaves reaction content, coomer baiting, drama, politics etc...normalizing itself within vtubing which I'm worried about

>>73094171
Because they genuinely don't understand the reason of their success. They don't want to be vtubers, they want to jump on the bandwagon and grift. Those western companies and the majority of indies think people watch vtubers because of the anime avatar, but that's just a part of it, and not even the most important one. However, they're also right to some degree, as it isn't just them, but the western audience itself that isn't accustomed to the kind of content Hololive can provide. They've been growing up on fleshstreamers, therefore, they will obviously gravitate towards coomtubers, as it is just the current fad. The primary audience of hololive isn't people who watch streams, if anything, most hololive fan hates twitch culture with passion. Hololive targets weebs, and not so surprisingly, weebs are the most willing to spend a bunch of money if they're catered to.

>>73094171
The EN competitors hold the idol & professional aspect in the highest contempt

>>73084082
*rapes and beheads you*

>>73096296
Why are muslims like this?

>>73096133
>idol content
I remember nijisanji throwing shades at hololive for that then eventually copying hololive idol type of content when they ran into the limitations of being vtubers. Vshojo favoring talent freedom was also getting used to shit hololive too till eventually the type of content they make turned out to just be the same as anyone else in twitchdunno about anyone but it looks to me that people just takes advantage of the popularity of vtuber word when they do full real life streams.
>Le idol culture bad, hololive is le parasocial but do forget about western celebrity worship and streaming as whole being parasocial. Kayfabe and professionalism is fake they don't entertain me as much as cursing and drama do that means it's bad etc...

>>73096765
.

>>73094171
Hololive comes with restrictions, and for a talent to be willing to go along with those restrictions, they need to feel like they're getting enough out of it. Hololive is big enough to make that deal seem worthwhile, but for talents willing to do the idol thing, why would they settle for some barely-above-indie brand when they could wait for hololive auditions? That environment got burned hard by NijiEN marketing itself to the talent pool as a more accessible holo alternative and then... well we all know what happened.

The part of the talent pool that aren't evangelist holo-holdouts want content freedom and laissez-faire management so small corpos need to appeal to that in order to draw in anybody that knows how to stream. They rely heavily on talented people wanting to work for them, because they don't have the money or resources to train people up from scratch.

>>73096133
>idol content
I remember nijisanji throwing shades at hololive for that then eventually copying hololive idol type of content when they ran into the limitations of being vtubers. Vshojo favoring talent freedom was also getting used to shit hololive too till eventually the type of content they make turned out to just be the same as anyone else in twitch dunno about anyone but people taking advantage of the vtuber word while they do full real life content feels like grifters .
>Le idol culture bad, hololive is le parasocial but do forget about western celebrity worship and streaming as a whole being parasocial.
>Kayfabe and professionalism is fake they don't entertain me as much so I should dissuade other's from watching the one that popularized vtubing in the first place etc...

>>73090657
They don't actually find it entertaining at all. They're culture warriors and want to "plant their flag" in "cultural spaces." They don't have a single thought beyond that. They have this mindset for all modern media and Japan refusing to play along and seeking to entertain people while maximizing profits (which is how entertainment companies are supposed to work) enrages them.

If they actually wanted to see vTubers like this, they'd be shilling aggressively for people to come watch a 1view or 2view and build them up. But they don't do that because they don't actually watch any vTubers, they just want to make the big corporations do it, declare victory, and then move onto something else.

>>73096675
see
>>73096296

>>73095740
yeah and niji was pandering to mainstream audience.. and what did they do? Abandoned them when novelty ran out. And they weren't even paying all that well either.

>>73083388
Someone memoryholed hololive renting a castle for their talents and making music career as a vtuber viable.
>>73097284
They're twitter activists, anyways here's a funny pic I found why nijisanji's approach failing not including the luca leak about livers dating making the atmosphere awkward and uncomfortable for everyone else within

>>73097531
Mainstream JAPAN
Important distinction
Also, current Niji is no longer try to appeal to their audience, but investors instead

>>73080223
Making vtubing synonymous with idol cringe losers is net negative

While cover still exploits their employees I would say their presence has been a net good in terms of vtubing as whole. The popularized a medium that people enjoy (both audience and chuubas). The labor required for vtubing give work to artists, riggers, and various other positions. The fans have cute anime girls they can directly interact with. If Hololive didn't exist the industry wouldn't be where it is.

>>73098956
I meant nijiEN

>>73081047
>and that includes Cover Corp.
lmao you wish

>>73080223
It didn't really change anything compared to when Nijisanji was dominating.

>>73099188
>exploits their employees
GURA STOP STREAMING QUICK 50% OF MERCH SALES IS TOO LITTLE AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>73099188
Their no drama approach and kayfabe brought a certain kind of professionalism for en vtubers too which you can respect.

>>73097284
well put anon

>>73080223