/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>72920331
Fuck corpos and their commie red tape bullshit

>>72920331
>waaa so much work
>yet there are literal females that do the same and probably more than he ever did
pathetic

>>72920331
office orc was never suited for corpo.

>>72920331
buy an ad

streamer saying work is hard is insulting to manual laborers and 9 to 6ers everywhere
lazy fucks can't even maintain a basic schedule, but when there's merch or voicepacks to shill tummy stops horting hmmm

>>72920331
It's ok when hololive makes you do your manager's job so you don't have time to stream

I would be ashamed to admit I'm such a huge faggot that can't tolerate as much work and paperwork as a female.
He probably got even less, with the not being asked for as much collabs and sponsors

>>72920331
>thoughts?
None actually, this should’ve been pretty obvious to anyone who thought about it for a second

>>72920331
>"I'm talking about the big bad blue dorito guys PLS PLS PLS watch my videos"
Is this what literally whos do?
Buy an ad

>>72921037
Is that why he streams even less now?
is even less than before his big hiatus from 2022

>>72920331
Even doki said so, tons of work behind the scenes.

>>72920331
>look at me I'm le office worker
>I can't handle paperwork please I'm gonna cry

Pretty interesting seeing that he puts it simply as "too much stress, too much expectations" while "Magni" was full on hinting towards some black corpo abuse

>>72920478
>there are literal females that do the same and probably more
this is the problem with the homos

>>72920331
>working for a corporation is work
...Yes?

>>72920478
>females that do the same and probably more
Those females also probably get a fuckload more than the homos do out of it, some of them are low to mid 3views, Vesper was like barely a 4view.

>>72921841
I think the common denominator is that they're both overdramatic dipshits.
There's 60 other talents having a grand ol' time, these two just weren't cut out for it.

>>72921841
Of course he is, he's trying to ride on Doki's situation

>>72922212
Doki doesn't cry about nijisanji every stream, that's Sayu

it's funny because biboo said it really wasn't that much work
maybe she's lying or maybe she's just built different

>>72922286
Could be down to Asian work ethic. Or because she just loves streaming and is deeply grateful for the opportunity.

>>72921841
He also said he received hate and no support during debut when it's in fact the opposite when even /vt/ supported them via magging memes that went viral.

>>72921841
There are a lot of evidences of both of them talking about being behind work.

>>72921965
it was only Magni and Vesper. the others are doing fine.

>>72922286
Homos are niche and likely have an uphill battle when it comes to getting noticed, Biboo can literally just stream and she does fine.

>>72922461
No support seems like bullshit considering that Yagoo goes out of his way to support everything Holostars related or promote them when possible. It just seems more like they're trying to ride off of Doki's situation.

>>72920331
Why is written in Runescape font?

>>72922461
I honestly cant believe how much hype there was here before these faggots debuted

>>72922705
the homos wouldn't even exist in the first place if Yagoo didn't become their manager in the early days

>>72921841
Magni was and still is a grifter.

>>72921841
>taking anything fagni “please come to my RM channel” dezmond says seriously
i’d sooner listen to kekson or michael cat

>>72922286
When your work pays out in mid to high thousands its probably a different feeling to when it pays out in low hundreds. Sucks to suck.

>>72922166
The reality is the females can largely not stream and still have solid membership + merch income while the males need to stream to make ends meet, meanwhile they still have similar off stream workloads (or less because you don't need to worry about game perms, thumbnails, etc if you don't stream)

Kinda funny the two youngest tempus is still able to truck on while the two older ones are the more menhera ones.

>>72922200
Don't know who OP's post is talking about or the entirely of the drama involving the two stars, but there's plenty of people in Hololive who go into hiatus/breaks fairly often, get sick frequently, etc. They just keep it professional though and don't complain about it.
There's also the fact that Hololive is an idol company too. So you're ""forced"" to do dancing/singing lessons instead of just streaming videogames all day. Add in the annoying perms, limited options of collabs, etc.

>>72920331
Can someon explain what specifically behind the scenes work is? Obviously im ignorant, but lets say a minecraft stream for Mumei. She needs some thumbnail art, the schedule, make sure everything is working and thats kind of it. I hear a lot of vtubers say there is a lot of work behind the scene, but for hololive girls what exactly would that be, aside of course form big stuff like holofest

Wagie seethe thread. Again

>>72920331
>if a company is smart they'll discreetly try to get rid of you
Is he suggesting that Nyan, Vei, Silver, and Nazuna were encouraged to leave because they're brand risks but made it look like it was their own decisions? Would he be privy to any insider knowledge to actually know this, or is he just speculating? Vei and Nyan had pretty good numbers, and Nyan being good friends with Mouse was a pretty big part of their brand even if Nyan's reputation was somewhat controversial.

Both magni and vesper have the hassan syndrome.

>>72922900
Just tells me that male vtubing in the west is a dead end.

Nope, won't watch your faggot.

>>72922900
its funny how anons try to sneakily diss girl vtubers and deflect in behalf of these grifting faggots but end up with
>"you don't understand, they HAD TO PUT ON WORK!!!"
lol

>>72923269
This, KEK. They recently got shit on for bitching about "muh streming is hard".

>>72920331
I like this guy, he should join a corpo.

>>72923055
>Forgot to finish the sentence
And *I* can understand why (depending on your expectations) it may feel boring to work in Hololive.

>>72923153
Vei hasn't exactly been shy about talking about what happened. The most explicit things she's said were
>fucked over by her contract
>management lying about how sponsorships work
>staying didn't make any financial sense

>>72921841
>>while "Magni" was full on hinting towards some black corpo abuse
He's way too bitter about not being able to negotiate insane terms for himself even after his model rework.

>>72923500
I remember her tweet telling vtubers to have a lawyer looks over contracts, and I remember her talking about the last point because Mythic takes a smaller cut from sponsors. But when did she mention management lying about how sponsorships work?

The two faggots clearly wanted the niji experience, glad they fucked off. Hope the other homo follow suit in the near future.

>>72923055
Well that's corpo life for you, if you don't like it you can just not apply to one. They have no excuse since Hololive was already huge and its issues were known to everyone who made the bare minimum research

>>72922937
well the blue one seems to actually be an idol and the orange had experience with the jp scene as a utaite/streamer.
on the other hand we had the "I'm so edgy and random!" purple fag and the "I will cause drama for the lolz" grey one.
Seems to me the western approach of encroaching on baits and drama doesn't pay unless you appeal to the right kind and faggots are not it.

>>72923055
Its not like they surprised them with the idol shit. They knew what they were signing up for, everyone who applies to Hololive knows

half of hololive is on cruise control and barely streams but holosisters would rather talk shit about this dude than admit that maybe managers should do their jobs

>Japanese companies are notorious for poor work environments and excessive hours
>former employee of a Japanese company talks about how excessive the work was
>NOOOOOOO he's just a lazy faggot, MY Japanese company is different!!
This board, I swear

>>72923862
>>72924169
Eh. It's easy to forget. Specially when you're applying to be a male vtuber.
It happened ITT >>72923133
>>72924289
It's impossible to have any discussion /here/

>>72923055
You don't sign up for Hololive and then be suprised by having to learn to sing and dance and record, that's naivety of the highest order.

>>72923771
It was pretty soon after she left. I believe the tldr is managers telling her they can't get her sponsorships because she's too vulgar and that she'd have to tone it down, only for her to have no problems getting sponsors without self-censoring after leaving

>>72922200
>There's 60 other talents having a grand ol' time
This is literally the same line of defense the sisters run for NijiEN

>>72924289
noooo if you say that japanese companies are bad that means you like the other japanese company and have a vagina for some reason

>>72924371
If you're a grifter looking to get rich quick, maybe.

>>72924376
The difference is that Cover has far, far better employee retention than Anycolor. And for the most part it seems like most people don't want to leave Cover, while more people can't wait to leave Niji fast enough.

>>72923500
Why don’t dramatubers cover this stuff I thought vshojo was popular

>>72924340
>easy to forget
maybe if you're a retard

>>72924529
>The difference is that Cover has far, far better employee retention than Anycolor.
That just means it's better, not perfect.
And better than Nijisanji is not a very high bar, as we have found.

>>72924289
Reminder that they're also the people who swear Holostars get preferential treatment but also that Cover can't possibly be any less than a snow white company

>>72924262
People would probably be more likely to agree with you if you worded this in a way that blamed the managers rather than the girls. Just a thought.

Reminder that "being a streamer [with a significant viewership] is a hard job with a lot of stress" and "streaming is far better than a 9-5 manual labour / retail job" can both be true statements.

>>72924588
>Why don’t dramatubers cover this stuff
Ask Nux how covering Vshitshow drama worked out

>>72923771
He is just talking out of his ass. He doesn't actually watch any streams. All we know is that mythic was offering better cuts.
>>72924372
Funny how after changing to mythic she barely streamed and didn't even take any sponsors.

>>72924289
>Holos have taken long months breaks without Cover forcing them to stream
>NO HE'S A HECKIN GOOD BOY THAT EVIL JAPANESE COMPANY

>>72924663
did you read the entire post

>>72924858
Ask yourself why so many of their talents have taken so many breaks

>>72924931
Yes? They have to do behind the scenes work too, just like this guy did.

>>72924588
Kson damage controlled and said that VShojo gave them new, better contracts after / because Vei left

When it comes to branch workload here's the rankings:
Hololive JP
Hololive EN
Hololive ID
Holostars JP
[POWER GAP]
Holostars EN

As for singing and dancing, big whoop. Just autotune yourself or sing one of the many free for use sea shanties which piss all easy, and if you don't want to dance hire someone to do it for you.

>>72920331
holy fucking shit dude move the fuck on. all this guy ever did when he was in was bitch and moan and even a year after he's still doing the same shit. reading through the comments in the cringiest shit i've ever seen. kys already

>>72924987
Ask yourself why an evil japanese company would let them even take breaks

>>72925137
i literally blamed managers

>>72925203
Jesus what a massive faggot

>>72922200
>they're both overdramatic dipshits
they are. this one is also mentally ill and is on meds.

>>72925211
Because they aren't retarded. Letting them completely burn out means they leave, which is bad for PR and profits.

Gura still sells merch even if she never streams, but if she leaves then they can't sell that merch.

>>72920331
He left because he was a rare male menhera, he literally had a no meds arc, were he traveled to Japan without telling anyone and went missing for several days.

God bless his soul, but he is a retard with some mental issues.

Reminder this retard and Fagni constantly missed deadlines and ghosted managers. Even trying to defend these lazy shitters with le evil company is just pure retardation.

>>72924588
Because only 2/3 of those statements actually happened and one of them is an uncharitable interpretation of something significantly more neutral

The only entirely true part of that post is that she said it didn't make financial sense.
Otherwise she gave general advice to others that they should have a lawyer look over any contract before signing.

There wasn't big drama about it because it wasn't big drama.

>>72924797
>He is just talking out of his ass. He doesn't actually watch any streams.
>didn't even take any sponsors.
>sponsored stream literally last week
Interesting...

>>72925577
NTA, but I'm not too sure what your point was, then. On one hand, you claimed that there were shit tons of work for their talents (which is likely true). On the other hand, you agreed that Cover wasn't retarded and let them take as much breaks to unwind as they wanted / needed - which would basically help with the former issue. If they get to take breaks at will, the work clearly isn't that excessive.
What might the issue be, then?

>>72924289
>Haachama's ~7 month break
>Suisei's 1 month break (this year), ~1,5 month break a few years ago for throat surgery
>2nd gen nonexistent streams: Minato Aqua barely streaming for the past few years, same as Shion (now in an indefinite hiatus) and Ayame being Ayame
>Ame barely streaming nowadays, same as Gura
Those are just the ones I remember off the top of my head. You just know if those things happened in Nijisanji the board would've been flooded with "black company" or calling it a "stealth graduation".
>>72925211
>You have to be comically evil, otherwise it isn't true

this guy is seriously the most spineless faggot to ever have existed. the second he started encouraging the council collabbeggars, i knew it was over. the only right thing he ever did was trick everyone into thinking he was le wholesome computer grandpa but that mask slipped early when it turned out he was lying about everything. jesus christ i can't believe i actually rooted for this faggot

>>72920478
But they actually don't, that's why fuwamoco, kronii, sana, gura and ame don't stream anymore you fucking retard. Now imagine being a homo and making like 1/4th what the girls make and it probably isn't worth it.

>>72926336
Once he got monetized dude flipped into something completely different, I was so disappointed

>>72926266
>You just know if those things happened in Nijisanji the board would've been flooded with "black company" or calling it a "stealth graduation".
That's why reputation matters.

>>72926458
The only one who "don't stream anymore" in that list without known private issue is Sana, though?

>>72920331
yes, being a vtuber takes much work. Especially in hololive, do you have any idea how many lives these girls are practicing? songs? dance? events? and shows? streams? other life stuff? No, gura is not an example. She's lazy and is an anomaly that put her senpais' efforts to shame. Most of them release orisongs too.

>>72920331
>Less work than female
>More lasy than female
>Ghosting manager more frequently than female
This fag has contributed to reasons on why homo is a mistake

>>72926458
He just couldn’t hack it, that’s all. It’s okay to know your limits but it’d have been preferable if he hadn’t been such a huge bitch about it before dipping out.

>>72926266
>nearly every other japanese company forces you to work no breaks no vacation
>Cover doesn't do this
>they are le stereotypical japanese company bros

>>72926688
>known private issue
Tummy hort is not a private issue it is a natural part of a woman's lifecycle.

>>72926516
kek yup. those zatsus he was supposedly the master of just turned into sc readings. he seriously had like 10 good streams and started spiraling immediately. seeing people coping through the japan arc was insanity. axel is a sexpest retard himself but he didn't deserve getting ghosted. oh god i just remembered the cooking stream where he ditched. god fucking idiot

>>72923153
>, and Nyan being good friends with Mouse

Nyan was problematic in her own way. Wanting to do tons of stuff with her boyfriend, wanting to go fleshie, openly getting high smoking weed, she wasn't fitting in with the idol, our talents have no boyfriends (except mouse), kind of image that Vshojo (unless gay) was trying to portray.

>>72920331
>Does bare minimum.
>Still complains.
Huh, I guess even Uki does have a point sometimes.

>>72926998
>more lasy

>>72926254
>it's fine to constantly run your talents into break after break, because they get to take breaks
Put yourself in the shoes of someone in that position.
It's a cycle of grinding away until nothing's left, resetting, then back to the mines.

If I were uncharitable, I would call it exploitative, masking a harsh work environment by the ability to take breaks, when it's actually a cynical system of employee retention incentivized by merch sales.
It's better for business if they can keep milking their characters' IP, so of course they make concessions to keep them around.

>>72922461
>even /vt/ supported them
yeah, and people posted all the Morbius memes because they really loved the movie.

>>72926458
Hey at least Sana lasted a year faggot

>>72927344
Unlike Nijisanji talents can actually just quit, see Sana

>>72922617
this desu
If you're a woman in Hololive, you can literally do the bare minimum (or nothing at all if you're a certain shark) and get thousands thrown at you.

>>72927256
They're always an ESL

>>72927562
She didn't though. She graduated 1 month before Council's anniversary.

>>72921841
>Belieb the grifter supreme
This guys somehow got even less legitimatcy than Miguel Cato

>>72926688
What known private issue do the other girls have? Or are you just making shit up?

>>72921841
Magni in that very same clip says that Rando had it worse and was choosing to not say too much about it and soldier through it

>>72927344
Anon, many of us - heck, probably most of us, work just as much if not more than those girls. I really doubt they are spending 8-10+ hours a day working on Holo stuffs, especially when several EN members have said they usually wake up around noon. And know what? We don't even get to take as many breaks as we want to.

>>72924634
I personally believe that Cover just knows how to opsec. We probably could have had a fallout far far worse than what we got if Anykara was handling Rushia.

>>72927693
But are they wrong tho?

>>72922880
kekson said that holos are stressed as fuck and some are considering quitting and you twisted it into a tribal jab for some reason

>>72924634
>better, not perfect

Yes, that is in fact what we should always strive for, every day.

>>72920651
I don't see how that's insulting to manual laborers at all when they're not comparing their work to other work. If anything they're insulting themselves.

>>72927168
I find it very freaking weird Vshojo went the idol route, it just doesnt make sense to me, even after the purge.

>>72927955
Objectively yes

Vesper had an anxiety breakdown because they confiscated his weed in Japan. That's all you need to know about how much of a loser he is. You could have put in 2 years of solid hard work then coasted, but that's apparently too fucking hard for him.

>>72920331
Streamers crying about too much work is always pathetic

>>72927820
>especially when several EN members have said they usually wake up around noon
OK? That has nothing to do with how many hours they work in a day

>>72928065
Based perfection is stagnation

>>72927452
there was actual support here though in non negligible quantities and outside of homo threads, it was a minor miracle in fact. And they shat it away.

>>72926567
I'd also say timing. Most of Holo's biggest yabs happened around the height of their reputation. Meanwhile, Niji was already on a downward spiral when Sayu spoke out and kickstarted this snowball effect of now-neverending yabs

>>72928121
singing is fun

>>72923616
He's more bitter that his gambit of luring his 'Magni' fanbase to his post Homostar shit failed.

>>72926458
>1/4th
maybe compared to the IDs. ENs make waaaay fucking more. point still stands though.
but the crazy thing is that their living status was elevated since becoming yagoo's boys. imagine throwing all that away to give femboy lectures KEK

>>72928256
And you have the accurate numbers on that matter?

>>72923500
She never even said the first 2. She only said the last part.

>>72928191
Is he really that much of a stoner?

>>72928149
How so anon? elaborate

>>72928191
wew

>>72928399
>complety change your content into crass garbage
>don't even go the vtuber route like other ex-corpos
Yeah he was never ever going to keep his audience no matter what

>>72928489
Did I say that I did?

>>72928220
I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to being a Hololive member. Their obligations don't start and end with just streaming. I assume they get into a lot of meetings with management, talking with the people producing their covers, recording for voice packs, etc...

>>72927771
FWMC are moving to JP and trying to find a place. Kronii just got back from JP and was hospitalized by the end of March - she still streamed once every 3-4 days on average anyway so she doesn't fit into the "don't stream anymore" category. Gura said several times that she has health issue.
The only one who said she was burnt out was Ame and she said it was partly due to family circumstances, too

>>72927623
>Nijisanji mention out of nowhere
What would be the cope if they weren't garbage? Comparing the talents to an indian slave in Qatar?

>>72924289
Please explain how a job with literally zero hours that's done from home has a poor work environment and excessive hours.

>>72928789
>They are overworked!
>How so?
>It come to me in a dream
NTA but you're retarded

>>72928351
No, they had nothing to start with. None of them were this perfect brotuber this board was looking for, and sisters memed Magni's popularity into existence with the "magging" bullshit. At least Vesper's "yabba dabba doo" shit on /here/ was halfway funny.

I don't know what people are mad over here, he's basically just admitting he couldn't handle it.

>>72929095
>a job with literally zero hours
Are you retarded?

>>72929148
>former employee says it's a lot of work
>I don't believe him. Why? Well, uh... because he sucks!

>>72929095
retard

>>72928388
Singing doesn't make you an idol.

>>72928938
I would agree, if they all had obligations to the levels of people like Mori, Suisei, etc. but (You) and I both know the Stars don't, never did, and likely never will.

>>72929346
>>72929350
How am I retarded, retards? Prove to me how they have "excessive hours" when they are not required to stream a single hour weeks if they don't want to.

>>72928191
The Holofag must create a rrat of Vesper being a druggie so people don't think Hololive is shit. He couldn't bring his medication to Japan because of global fuckery and his experience with management IRL caused his breakdown. Magni says he had it worse for a reason

>>72920446
>corpos
>commie
anon...?

>>72927155
>be the 6th month anniversary of your branch
>plan a fun off collab challenge with your genmates
>2 in the states and 2 in japan
>the one that was supposed to be with you spergs out, goes menhera and starts ghosting you
>fuck it you'll have to do it by yourself
>fast-forward to stream time
>awkwardly start the stream and apologize to your fans because someone's missing
>"he just "couldn't make it"
>everything is going well but it's obvious there's a void on your side
>can't interact with your genmates much because they're mostly talking between themselves
>it's ok you have your managers around to keep you company
>collab reaches its end, once again apologize awkwardly for something that isn't your fault
>start feeling lonely but it doesn't matter you'll pull through

>>72928010
Makes me wonder if that's one of the reasons why there won't be Sports Festival this year
>>72929602
Lurk a billion years

>>72929095
it's crazy to hear. a job that doesn't have strict hours and pays you so excessively well with the amount of "work" you put in and some of them have the gall to complain.

>>72928629
Well for starters
>Vesper's number of streams is 2023: 99
>Gura's number of streams in 2023 AND 2024 combined: 41

>>72924289
>Gura missing completely
>JPs going mia all the time
>Members that have kept up with streaming are all known no life workaholics
Even if he said nothing isit not pretty obvious they have alot more work than just playing vidya gams?

>>72929346
You mean the same former employee that’s barely a functioning human being? The same that trended into pathological liar-dom?

>>72929047
>sister comparing them to slaves now
Kek can't help yourselves huh?

>>72929346
Former employee
>Can't even read requirements for a job before applying
>Bad behavior
>Less Mental strength than female vtuber
>Have history of skipped dead lines
Gee I wonder why

>>72929224
whoever did it, it did exist and it permeated the board more than I believe sisters were ever capable of. Including homo hostile threads like numbers.

>>72922166
4 view JP Holos still make enough to do shit like buy a house. Being in Hololive is not a blank check to spend like a dumbass. If he had stayed and cultivated his audience instead of sperg out he could have had a very easy life.

>>72929783
So you have no proof then, moron.

>>72929789
I can totally get bitching and moaning about having to deal with brand management when you expected to get a pay upgrade to your usual low effort streaming career. "Excessive hours" isn't a valid complaint though.

>>72930079
"Not streaming" doesn't mean "not working" anon

>>72921841
Whoa, it's like working for a Japanese company fucking sucks or something.

>>72929346
Anon, there is quite a difference between
>There is a lot of work
and
>They are overworked

>>72928191
Oh NO not le heckin' medical marijuana! How ever will the streamer function!

>>72930071
It's funny cause Bettel is making bank and Hakka is the breadwinner of his family.

>>72930219
Okay, Fagni

>>72930162
When did I imply anything like that? Are you unironically trying to claim that Cover mandates 10 hours of made up "work" daily from everyone no matter what?

>>72929628
he said this himself and the unnecessary japan trip was his own fault, stop babying a nigger in his 40s

>>72921841
Magni was Yagoo's "favorite". Take that as you will.

>>72929905
?
I can name at least 10 holomems that stream more than him, release more covers/ori song, perform 3d lives, go to conventions/events

>>72930457
You implied it when you replied to people saying that holos have to work a lot by bringing up the fact that they don't have to stream.

>>72929628
he had medicinal marijuana

>>72929628
>More menhera than female
Being a Druggie is better sister

>>72930162
According to /vt/ if they arent streaming they arent working.

>>72929922
>>72930005
Well of course he's the worst guy ever, he has to be otherwise we can't ignore any potential faults in the Company!

>>72930236
The difference is getting burnt out and needing to take a break every couple months

>>72928010
I know this didn't happen because there would have been dozens of bait threads about it

>>72930369
>Hakka is the breadwinner of his family.
Huh, good for him, seriously. Not easy to make it big as a homo without a CN fujo base.

>>72920331
>waaaah I have to stream videogames and learn songs
KWAB

>>72930609
Yeah you really are a fucking retard. I said there's no "excessive hours" because they have literally zero required hours of work. Task based work can't have "excessive hours" because they can stop working any time they want.

>>72930728
He’s just a lazy faggot with a history of lying. Same as how Fagni is a clout chaser that failed in his mission. Find a more credible example and I’ll gladly talk that one over with you.

>>72930728
Why should I sympathize with someone who has open contempt for everything Hololive stands for?

>>72930728
>was a lazy faggot as an indie before Stars
>was a lazy faggot while in Stars
>is still lazy faggot after Stars
>no he's not le hecking bad

>>72929905
>Gura
>There are more hardworking people in his own branch
Weak reason anon are you a nijisis?

Why are anons interpreting what he said as shitting on Cover anyway

>>72930597
?
Yes anon, I would hope that members with 3D models have more 3D lives than someone with no 3D to begin with lmao

>>72930860
I think its just a matter of even with his relatively small viewerbase, most of his SCs/Memberships come in Dollars/Yen which are way more valuable in his local currency.

>>72931160
>implying bait threads don't come loaded with all or nothing mentalities
Get out while you can.

>>72931160
Not giving this faggot views

>>72930823
>average /vt/ baiter watching kson (traitor, should've stayed in hololive, bitch)
>average /vt/ baiter watching any stream in the first place

>>72930991
>>72931012
>He’s just a lazy faggot with a history of lying
Oh, phew
That sure is convenient!

>>72930995
>he hates Hololive, so he auditioned to be in Hololive

>>72931206
Still, being a breadwinner has to speak to something.

>>72930962
>literally zero required hours of work
So you are one of those minimum wage faggots, any job that actually makes money dont really have "required work hours" retard, you work on projects, often you work more than people with set working hours just so things get done.

>>72930728
Majority of the girls aren't burnt out so I figure all is well, then.

>>72930962
>they have literally zero required hours of work
*That you can see*. Zero hours of required streaming doesn't mean zero hours of work. They have work off-stream that you don't know about.

>>72931175
?
how many covers did he released? how many ori song? 99 streams? voice packs?
too much work kek

>>72931125
>compare vesper to "female"
>compare a female to vesper
>W-weak reason anon

>>72930728
Proven to a lazier than female co-workers is more than enough reason to belieb Corpo

>>72931409
>>convenient
Reality is convenient on rare occasions, yes. This is one of those.

>>72931160
Desperate sisters

>>72931409
>convenient
His stream hours and what he says on them is public information retardbro

>>72931630
It’s always sisters and not your own huh

>>72920331
This is actually an old clip his editor made in to a YT short.
The point still stands, but this is old information.

>>72931540
>His own branch= female
Are you ESL?

>>72920331
>uwu i thought i would make a million dollars playing video games and yapping who thought i would actually have to yap about products a bit or go to a studio to yap that's sooo much work
I knew only the gayest faggots would stream with an anime avatar as a guy, but they're gayer than I ever imagined

>>72931730
Why would a single person ever defend this fag otherwise?

>>72931797
>can't read
>are you ESL?

>>72931730
Our own would have put up a better argument sister

>>72930823
There were, they were just very stupid bait threads that completely missed the point because the people who made them don't speak Japanese so they didn't know what she was talking about.

>>72931853
this dude is a lazy fucking bum from everything he says.

>>72931730
Usually, yes. if (You) weren't a tourist, you'd know that there's nothing holofans /here/ hate more than Tempiss.
Lurk moar

>>72931975
post clips

>>72931897
>Projection
you can't actually read? Wow

People here are sperging out because
>he quit because there is too much work
>but cover give people time off as much as they want so they have it easy.

Both can be true at the same time.

>>72932050
I’m confused, I thought the point was that “sisters” are desperate and LARPing as holofans

>>72931433
Wait are you now implying that these Japanese companies with "excessive hours" are not hourly wage jobs and are actually project based?
Stop switching upm your argument already, retard. You're only making worsening your moronic arguments with what you're doing.

>>72931530
>*That you can see*
No, objectively they have zero hours of required work. They are not required to sit in place for a set amount of time to do work. How and when they do their work is their own choice and they're done as soon as they finish whatever they need to complete. They are not required to work for any amount of hours.

>>72931532
Yes, anon, 99 streams in half of 2023.

>>72922461
>no support
Just because your ideas were rejected doesn’t mean that they don’t support you fagni

>>72920331
Ironic coming from one of the laziest niggers in vtubing

>>72928010
Was it said on stream or in her members posts?

>>72931439
See >>72926266
If I were an autistic retard (like you), I would search how many times each Talent had to take a break for "health" reasons. But I guess acting like that moves the topic and bumps the thread, so congratulations, anon! Another day spent "defending" Hololive in 4chan.

>>72932225
Actually no
W/T = actual work

>>72932193
>no u
And there's the concession.

>>72932416
>former holos say they have a shitload of behind the scenes work
>current holos say they have a shitload of behind the scenes work
>anon who never read the contact say they don't have any required work
who should we believe sisters

>NDF literally digging up the dead
At least try and bait with their current members. this is weak kek.

>>72932638
>anon who never read the contact say they don't have any required work
I never said they don't have any required work, moron. Do you not speak English?

>>72932727
>They are not required to work for any amount of hours.
>They are not required to work for any amount of hours.
>They are not required to work for any amount of hours.

>>72932625
>Can't even refute
Concession accepted

>>72932861
So you're admitting that you do not speak English.

>>72929224
Magging started as a way to mock his model and then transformed into support through tribalism.
>Wouldn't it be funny if someone with this shitty model could beat the Iluna debuts?
After that it broke containment and just became its own thing.

>>72932942
How many posts so far, sis?

>>72924289
I don't even know why this thread is getting so much shit. I know /vt/ hates homos but surely nobody here is so retarded as to think
>they do literally nothing behind the scenes
Him saying people can get stressed out doesn't mean he's saying he's fucking Sisyphus.

>>72932978
How many hours are they all required to work? Give an estimate.

>>72932866
>refute
>no point given

>>72925739
That's the truth.
Of course we are going to ignore that.

>>72933016
Anons are shit on him for being weaker than the girls tourist

>>72932508
it was in the stream that /#/ seethes about and quotes every few days or so

>>72932664
Most retarded post itt considering this faggot isn't holostars anymore and mansisters also hate him

This thread was made by him, wasn't it?

>>72933196
Which stream?

>>72933070
>Can't even read the point
I hope you go to school kid

>>72933306
Probably the one where she uses the term "weebs" in a weird way.

>>72933016
1 (uno) or more anons are just falseflagging to make sure there's not any possibility of people discussing that Cover may or may not be overworking their talents.
Just see >>72933190, obvious (You) bait post or >>72933056.

>>72933306
the unicorn stream that wasn't actually about unicorns

>>72933070
NTA but I believe they mean you focus only on the female

>>72932416
>Japanese companies with "excessive hours"
You need time to do the work or do you somehow think just because their work is project base you dont have to spend "excessive hours" to finish that work?

>>72933372
How am I preventing any possibility of discussing overwork by asking you how many hours they're required to work?

>>72933323
>can't read a point that doesn't exist
Correct. That's how the world works anon

>>72933372
>Can't argue
>B-Bait
Sure sisters

>>72920331
I don't watch Hololive nor am I that into idols but I can respect how insistent Cover is about singing and dancing. Joining the company thinking you can just cruise by without doing any of that is silly. Didn't he also say he applied on a whim too? It's such a waste that someone as lacking as him and Magni stole two spots from two potentially decent candidates who actually knew shit about the corpo they were joining, whether their knowledge was for Hololive, Holostars or both.

>>72933367
>>72933373
Wait, wasn't that last year? I thought it was something recent

>>72933372
Nice bait, retard.

>be suisei, have multiple sololives, be a guest to many lives and shows, bigger roles
>still streams more than gura
She rather spend her time in sweden anon

>>72933590
Then why this >>72933454see it then
Blind as fucking bats

>>72933623
streaming is only secondary but it's no excuse for gura

>>72933629
It was a year or two ago, it was that weird as fuck stream where she went on a rant about companies and shit. She got some backlash and never released an English version like she said she would.

>>72933454
Yes because the anon I originally responded to compared him to females. Why would I bring up men when that wasn't the topic at hand?

>>72920331
This... seems like an inoffensive enough take? He basically just says:
>Corpos care about their image; if you're a "brand risk" they'll push you out so you don't shit up their reputation (using vshojo as an example of this done well and niji as an example of it being done badly)
>Streamers might quit a corpo because there's too much work for them and they can't handle the expectations
>Corpo streamers work way harder than most people think, because they have to do a lot of stuff off-stream that the viewers don't see
It's not like he's trying to claim that the workload is necessarily unreasonable—just that it's more than people would expect and not everyone is tough enough to handle that sort of grind. What's the big deal?

>>72933752
>then why this see it then
>not ESL
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

>>72933513
Your moronic strawman about muh black jap companies with le excessive hours is about hourly wage jobs. A task based job can't have "excessive hours" because they're not required to work any number of hours. You can complain about excessive amoumt of work but that's not the same thing as "excessive hours" and also not what le back jap corpos are known for.

>>72933589
>>72933646
Feeling called out, eh? Tribalism is a hell of a drug. When are you guys creating the HDF?

>>72933822
It's just another excuse for people to try to paint Cover as a turbo black company, nothing more than that.

>>72920331
https://youtu.be/rAlTOfl9F2w

>>72933810
But you have to admit gura is a low hanging fruit anon

>>72920331
Idolshit should always be an option.
I fucking hate idolshit. It's boring and absolute cringe.

>>72933629
>>72933794
it was about troublemaker fans making holo's lives harder when they already work hard as fuck and several talked to her that they were reaching their breaking point. /vt/ thought she was shitting on cover and promoting vshojo or something because this board is filled with literal mentally handicapped people.

>>72933651
Suisei doesn't even see streaming as work. It's more like a fun extra thing that pays extra money that she does when she feels like it.

>>72933822
because people >here
already dislike him and are very loyal to companys so they will use anything to shit on him

>>72933935
>Tribalism is a hell of a drug
>HDF
So you ARE an NDFsister, then. I’d still entertain your posts if you ever had a real point.

>>72933794
Right right. I thought it was a isn't about gachikois and I distinctly remember some threads about mikeneko/nazuna disagreeing with kson about her opinion and that gshikois were a good thing or some shit. That was a funny time

>>72934001
good thing you have twitch and nijisanji to watch then if you don't like it :)

>>72933822
>Corpos care about their image; if you're a "brand risk" they'll push you out so you don't shit up their reputation
this is demonstrably bullshit when they keep pushing mori and laplus more than everyone else combined

>>72933935
>H-hdf
Tried to create invisible gun That sad sister

>>72934136
They aren't brand risks, you are just mindbroken.
Nobody outside this board gives a shit

>>72934136
They clearly don't see them as brand risks.

>>72934077
Keep assuming if this makes you have a good night of sleep.
>>72934152
There's no need to reply to the same post twice, by the way.

>>72934136
They are brand risks because...?

>>72933992
Than the anon shouldn't make retarded claims

>>72934094
Why are you conceding?

>>72934085
surprisingly most of mike's fans who were here didn't know much japanese either

>>72934005
I see. Thanks for the clarification anon

>>72933822
It was said by a particular person, literally the only reason to Twitter kneejerk this reasonable of a take
>t. person who doesn't like those particular people

>>72934244
I’ll continue to assume the obvious, yes. Even if that somehow isn’t true, you still lack a point.

>>72934001
Then maybe don't join an idol company?

>>72934244
>Everyone who disagree with me is samefagging
Every fucking time

>>72934085
Oh yeah, it was after Nazuna started collabing with guys and started flip flopping between wanting to be unicorn friendly and doing her own thing. I completely forgot about that.

>>72934332
Conceding what? If you don't like Idols, fuck off and go watch generic twitch indie #145 bounce their tits on screen

>>72934085
>>72934350
It's quite obvious that Mike sees gachikoi as a huge pain in the ass despite hard income being almost entirely based on farming them. Her "fans" just had a hard time accepting this and would claim things like she's being manipulated into doing things she otherwise wouldn't.

>>72934412
No, no, you don’t get it, they HAVE to change because some lazy fag can’t figure out who he applied to work for.

>>72934293
NTA but he is proven to be more menhera than girls so it's not completely retarded

>>72920331
Based vamporc

>>72934542
mike is literally bipolar and flip flops between finding them a pain in the ass and genuinely being parasocial herself for them every once in a while

>>72934136
anon discovering that mori and laplus are not brand risks

>>72934646
The point is that she genuinely feels that way herself and she wasn't manipulated into it.

>>72934412
Singing and dancing will always be the worst content. Cover recently put out an idol focused generation and they're all wet noodles.

kek
retard complaining
>"there's lot of work"
wtf did this dude expecting when he apply for holostars? to not sing, and not learn to dance?
did he expect to farm millions of dollars by smoking weed on his couch and jerking off?
remember this is the same dude who always bail when there is Collab and always late for his part when there is project going on

>>72934864
Are you an actual retard? Your post is telling me that’s extremely likely.

>>72934864
>idol focused
>eceleb chasers
lol lmao

>>72934005
You can always count on cuck brained unicorns ruining everything for everyone else

>>72934868
>wtf did this dude expecting when he apply for holostars?
maybe he thought he would stream a lot and collab with other cool people and not work a desk job

>>72934868
And sisters trying to make it about black cropo

>>72934136
No one give a fuck about "le ebil homocollaber" outside of /here/ retard. Suisei, Mori and Kobo are all homocollabers and two of those have UMG deals

>>72929641
not incompatible. commies essentially hold goverment owned megacorps supreme. just look at the top beuro's of the USSR or literally anything China

>>72934864
>Being surprised that regloss flopped
Despite what the babies here are claiming. Cover built most of the fanbase via game content that built familiarity and a community. There is no way a large amount of fans will jump to something idol focused because that guts all forms of the interaction needed to build community.

>>72934864
First that's your opinion and second it doesn't change the fact that Hololive has always been idols. Maybe people should actually do some research before applying to a job.

>This thread has more replies than this fag's general will ever have
roru

>>72927344
>7 months paid vacation
>exploitative
I'm sure management gives them a lot of work having to go to meetings and singing and dancing lessons, but you're fucking retarded if you think Cover is a black company just because it has to be despite the invisible mountain of zero evidence. if anyone was going to make accusations against hololive, it was gonna be Michael Cat, but that crazy bitch has been pointing fingers at everyone other than the company. that's literally all I will ever need to know about the culture within Hololive/holostars.

>>72934868
He is defending Gura's right not to stream because there's alot of work. simple as.

>>72935195
>It true
Kek

>>72935137
It's more on Cover for hiring them. You don't hire someone on accident.

>>72935137
Hololive's fame is because of livestreams though.

>>72920331
I haven't checked in on this guy for a long time. What happened to his viewership? Wasn't this guy supposed to be the entertaining one? He should have at least been able to retain viewers, right?

>>72935277
it's more on him for not doing proper research into what was he getting into. Hololive in particular.

>>72935137
Yet there have been many instances of EN talents not fucking streaming. Even the stars had a period of not streaming because their dumb asses decided to go to Japan on a whim.
I heard a chunk of them had to apologize for their content drought from the Japan trip.

>>72935283
Ok and your point? They're still marketed as idols don't join a company like that if you don't want to do idol shit.

>>72935416
he hasn't been the same since his trip to Japan

>>72935220
Mike can't make up shit about holo because she lives in japan and cover will come for her ass if she starts slandering them with no proof. The 2 faggot grifters on the other hand can say whatever they want, thankfully no one believes these 2 substandard examples of the male gender.

>>72935445
It's more on Cover. If you are a company and are looking for an employee, do your actual job and vet them.

>>72935554
Doesn't matter. Their bread and butter is always normal solo streams.

>>72935416
That's what happens when you ditch your fanbase after months of ghosting

>>72924289
Axel manages to do all his Holo work while also doing university classes and maintaining an active social life. Sounds like a skill issue.

>>72935416
inconsistent schedule. it's bad if you aren't in hololive.

>>72935620
Unfortunately Yagoo is too nice of a person and believed in the potential within Magni/Vesper only to be disappointed by the lazy whiny grifters.

>>72935732
Magni has admittedly that he has bad work ethic and can't work on schedules that he hasnt made himself.
Also he's a college drop out.
That's the funny thing. Axel is in uni right now and he's doing just fine despite being the "dumbest".

>>72935416
Unironic case of "muh talent freedom" much like kson.

>>72935732
Pretty much, I would assume being an pretend professor without all the formal organizational support Cover provided would be harder to do in comparison

they had misguided goals from the start, surprising they're still trying to push this up lately

>>72935554
Being an idol is *the* side gig. Streaming makes as much money as merchandise, with Concerts / Events being the bottom.

>>72935821
I watch 1-2 views who are more consistent in their schedules compared to Magni and Vesper lmao we are in a world where 7 day streamers are stronger than holos.

>>72935578
wasn't that magni?

>>72935488
>on a whim
Arent they there for work, at least gen 1 was for 3D no?

>>72936093
Let's be real, fuwamocco owes their success to keeping to their schedule of consistent streams and not what few bits of idol activities they did.

>>72934864
>>72935132
>ReGloss
>Idol-focused generation
>Collabed with males left, right and center. Most of those weren't professional collabs
Roru

>>72922719
He likes Runescape

>>72936447
i collab with them all night

>>72936199
Axel and Altare went for 3D work I saw their 3D streams out of curiosity and they were pretty great. I think the second gens went for Holo fes work and I think it was the third gens that went for the sake of it.
I could be wrong though.

>>72932416
>>72930962
having the freedom of self-scheduling doesn't magically vanish away the 10-12 hours you need to spend to complete a project that requires 10 man-hours of work.
if you're tasked with more than 40 man-hours worth of work within a week's deadline, that's still excessive hours. and that's assuming your tasks and projects were actually scoped and estimated accurately to your productivity.

>>72934136
>anon thinks Kari Kakkoii! is a meme
roru

>>72933794
>and never released an English version like she said she would.
literally has English subtitles

>>72935611
that didn't stop her from getting into legal troubles with her ex-husband. what randon/vesper said in that video doesn't even imply he was mistreated by cover, just that he wasn't cut out for the work they were giving him. either way, there's still zero evidence Cover is a black company or that they even overwork their talents or force them to take on managerial duties yet retards ITT keep insisting they must do those things because Japanese company bad

>>72936447
>Idol-focused generation
>Collabed with males
They are JPs and nothing about JP idol culture says they cant collab with males retard, your bastardized definition of what idols are dont apply to them.

>>72936730
It's not excessive hours because there's no hour requirement.

>>72936791
>>72936867

>>72936867
Whatever you say bottom feeder, come back when u actually have a project base job that pays more than minimum wage.

>>72936864
Idols don't get intimate with males outside of pure business / professional activities. Period. I'm not going with the retarded "No male interaction whatsoever" that the unicorn LARPers /here/ claim, but the actual general idea of idol traditionally.

>>72936923
I don't think he was mistreated
but this dumbfuck thinks the workload is imaginary just because it's not on a hourly contract

>>72937109
>Suisei and Miko have a business relationship
Who's the male...?

>>72937079
How many times are you going to reuse this dogshit insult? A "project base job" can't have "excessive hours".

>>72937120
When did I say workload is imaginary? I just said it's not "excessive hours" because it's not. There's no hour requirement. If you're too retarded to finish your work faster than that's on you.

>>72922264
It's not the Sayu situation because nobody's talking about her.

>>72936791
Magni said he was being mistreated in Holo and that Randon had it worse but didn't want to say anything about it. Rushia complained about workplace harassment to someone and got fired for it then she attempted suicide. If they were in Niji, you faggots would start aping out

>>72936199
Tempus were all there for work. Armis went because Cover was willing to pay for their flights and accommodation to attend HoloExpo and it was a rare opportunity to meet everyone in Stars, but they only got a short period covered compared to the others

>>72929783
The reason there won't be a SportsFes is because Minecraft is dead. Or better yet, it already was last year.

>>72938392
I always think it's so weird that they would get so stressed out from a fucking Minecraft event

>>72938479
I don't think it's any more stressful than any other activity they do. They'll probably just switch to something else this year.

Are men getting weaker these days? They're slowly becoming women.

>>72938795
Byproduct of giving women the ability to hold offices of any kind.

Found a thread about the Kson thing, here da video too
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/thread/46112699/#46120423
https://holodex.net/watch/ScVSeQ4UswY

>>72932225
Astel recently went on break for three months. Despite that, he was still doing work for Cover during that time (appearing in lives, expo prep, prepping for the 5th anniversary live) that he said it didn't even feel like a break.

Cover might allow them to take extended breaks from streaming but unless they're having some serious health issues I'm pretty sure they still have to do Cover work off-stream.