/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>72893737
JP idols suck at dancing. The bar is in the floor.

>ran to the catalog

>>72893737
but can she sing? think about it, besides the occasional concert how often are dancing skills going to be applicable to a vtuber

>>72893737
>Does some contemporary jewish dance bullshit at holofes
>Bombs and audience barely reacts because japs haven't been indoctrinated by subversive degenerate jewish art
>"Best dancer"
Sure, if you're a jew.

>>72894229
KFP...

>>72894229
Who was labeled the best dancer in hololive by other members, KFP?

>>72893737
Isn't Bae smaller? She's just gymnast sized

>>72894311
You say that, but literally both of them have been called the best dancer in holo, by multiple people. I’d post the lists for them, but I’m on my phone. I just remember that Towa called Bae the best dancer while Moona called Kiara the best dancer.

>>72893737
Proud of Kiara, this must have taken all of her willpower to finally bend the knee to Bae.

>>72894349
She's fun sized

>>72893737
She learned how to dance at drug fueled rave parties, between the music and orgies.

>>72894398
Apparently this is the list for Kiara found it in the archives, I can't find the one for Bae though.
>Gura
>Mori(Like 5 separate times, and said Kiara inspired her to dance more)
>Bijou
>Mumei(Wanted dancing lessons from her)
>Bae
>Laplus
>Choco
>Aki
>Korone
>Nerissa
>Moona(Called Kiara the best dancer in hololive)
>FWMC
>Suisei
>Ollie
>Zeta

>>72894398
+Zeta

remember this gem?

>>72893737
She's had a lot of practice when she has whoring herself out on a nightly basis in aussie night clubs.

Damn, it's literally the schizos from global dragging their shit over from global to here since Kiara started streaming. Even has the same exact Kiara shitposts and Bae shitposts.

>>72893944
Someone should show the sale stats of her album or single

>>72894837
i'm guessing this is pre bae 3D. and if it wasn't, they probably haven't seen her dance in person.

>>72894837
If all of these people called Kiara the best dancer in hololive, then why does she still think she's a bad dancer? Hell, she still has people calling her the "dancer of EN", even the clip comments were saying she was as good as Bae and Laplus. So I have no idea why she thinks that.

>>72895080
pity fishing

>>72894962
It's a really weird hobby, right? Like even weirder than watching vtubers already is.

>>72894992
>i'm guessing this is pre bae 3D. and if it wasn't, they probably haven't seen her dance in person
Actually all of these were after last years holofes, some were after slash fes, and some of them were right before and after this year's holofes. Obviously Bae has the people who were complimenting her dancing too, but like the anon said, I don't think there's a Bae list.

>>72895080
She always downplayed herself and doubted herself all the time. In other words, she has Extreme Imposter Syndrome

>>72894837
I found the Mori, Zeta, Moona, Ollie, Korone and Mumei ones. But you would think these would be saved better, I was only able to find them based off of the archives and searching for key words.

>>72895080
Because Kiara has exactly zero amount of self confidence

>>72893875
Real talk, you try dancing like they do in that for the duration of it. Maybe you can do it, but many anons won't be able to do it. Dancing non-stop for a performance is physically demanding and requires practice.

>>72895223
Which makes sense in her case. Girls like Bae will never have it to that degree because they pretty much came out of school and went straight into becoming e-celebs. All the girls with history before hololive have varying degrees of insecurities, but all the zoomers who went straight into this career don't know "failure".

>>7289483
Built for BBC

>>72895080
Zero self confidence. That's quite literally it. You're going to be hardpressed in getting Kiara to think she's good in anything. It's the same with her art despite constantly getting complimented on it even by people like Ina and her entire fanbase wanting her to do art streams, she still thinks she's a terrible artist.

>>72894833
Built for BBC

>>72895445
>>72895303
>>72895223
How do you fix the confidence issue then? If she has literally thousands of people including coworkers and close friends calling her a good dancer some of which are calling her the best dancer in holo by the way but she still doesn't think so, then what will?

>>72894837
I need sources on all these JPs calling her the “best dancer in holo” cause I don’t remember any of theses. KFP tend to make shit up to prop up Kiara so

>>72895445
I still believe the rrat that she lurked /here/ back in her early "orange woman bad" days which killed off her confidence

>>72895384
Yeah, my big brrat cuddles

>>72895570
I haven't the slightest idea. Imposter syndrome is quite hard to get rid of, maybe she should get a huge fucking achievement but it would require her to go back to Japan for that I think

>>72895570
That's like asking how to make heavily depressed person believe their life can be meaningful

At the end of the day, it's up to her to overcome that barrier, or else she might succumb to negativity and be the next one to leave Holo if pressure cracks her

>>72895080
Bruh what? It's called imposter syndrome, anxiety, self of doubt, low self-esteem or whatever you want to pick, she just doesn't believe she's as good as others see her. Whether it's real or not doesn't make a difference.

>>72895570
You don't. Real talk, her problem comes from having her dreams broken again and again, not from feeling a little off because of sudden success. Maybe a therapist could help, but it won't just go away some day.

>>72895603
Shut the fuck up and leave the thread retard, this is a well known fact for years now. It's not up to us to watch streams for you.

>>72895080
Imposter syndrome to the max. If Bae herself told her she wouldn't accept it

>>72895603
Apparently the anon who originally made the list just listed off holos who complimented Kiara's dancing off the top of his head in response to another anon asking him a question and wasn't actually using the list for shitposting purposes which is funny since it's only used for shitposting now. But I can confirm that the Mori, Mumei, Moona, and Korone ones are real, since I watched those streams a year ago and the FWMC one is probably based off of them mentioning that one of their holo goals is to dance with Kiara and Bae, which is where they complimented both Kiara and Bae's dancing.

>>72895905
Bae herself did compliment Kiara's dancing. But the problem isn't because of Bae, since it was a confidence issue thing Kiara had before Kiara even danced in holofes for the first time, so it seems like it's some issue from before hololive.

>>72896054
Wasn't she an idol in a no-name group who got told she was "too good to be the center" ?

I wouldn't be surprised if her previous idol journey pre-Holo killed her confidence

>>72896211
god thats one of the most confidence crushing insults ever, no wonder shes fucked up

Kiara's confidence issues make me angry. I'm not a fan but I also don't hate her either. She just can't take compliments for some reason, her art, her singing, her dancing, despite multiple holos and thousands of fans telling her otherwise. It makes me angry since there's really nothing I can do about it, and I don't really like seeing holos have self doubt or confidence issues like this.

>>72896354
>for some reason
The reason is that she has 10 years of failures on her back whispering to her constantly that all those compliments could just be fake.

>>72895969
Okay thanks! I watched Aki’s and Suisei’s after talks after fes the last 2 years and they never said she was the best. I don’t have any issues with Kiara. She works hard and pushes the idol envelope in EN. Some of her fans here are just insanely obnoxious

>>72894837
If they call Kiara the best dancer and then Kiara calls Bae the best dancer then it funnels to Bae. Checkmate.

>>72896541
I know Suisei talked about Kiaras dancing during a tetris stream, but I can't find any clips. She talked about how hard it is to learn choreos and how fast Kiara could learn them.

>>72896746
Bae denied it when Kiara said that, so it's kind of just sitting there waiting to be grabbed again, probably to do the cycle again.

>>72893737
Bae is literally that Asian kid who tried to ace a lot of stuff and will practice a lot to get that ace, and didn't Laplus use to be an actual idol ?

>>72894837
>Gura
Ah the old pregnant lady hip circle at 4th fes next to Bae

>>72896829
It's called modesty. One may even call her a "modest mouse"....

>>72895080
Years of ojisans telling her she is shit so she stays in their black contracts

>>72893944
Bae is definitely one of the best singers in hololive. She's better than almost all of JP and EN.

>>72896354
You should go find her in a McDonald's and tell her what's up

>>72894837
>Gura
>Mori(Like 5 separate times, and said Kiara inspired her to dance more)
>Bijou
>Mumei(Wanted dancing lessons from her)
>Bae
>Korone
>Nerissa
>Moona(Called Kiara the best dancer in hololive)
>FWMC
>Suisei
I know when these ones were said
>Choco
>Aki
>Laplus
>Ollie
>Zeta
But when were these ones said? That's still a surprising amount of people that complimented Kiara's dancing or called her the best dancer in holo

>>72896871
>didn't Laplus use to be an actual idol ?
Where are you getting this horseshit from? Is this one of those "I read it on this board once" things?

>>72894987
>show the sale stats of her album or single
why you dont show and compare....a yes... she dont have

>>72893737
For me, it's the sex goddess queen of Iwara.

>>72897333
Bae did just release an album not that long enough, but I don't know how you would actually be able to see the sales of it since the only metric we have is how well it charted.

>>72893737
The truth is that Bae and Kiara mog like 90% of JP but somehow everyone ignores that

>>72897512
More like nobody cares but dramanigs here love to eat up holo vs holo

>>72895080
Alright I'm gonna be extremely blunt
It's because Bae is straight up a superior dancer on a technical level and I'm not even being biased, see picrel where Bae's dancing is flawless whereas Kiara has a couple of rough poses here and there. Her moves have pretty much zero flaws to the point when even when you put Bae next to someone like Laplus, you can notice Lap's moves having holes.
It's not that Kiara thinks she's a bad dancer. It's the fact that she HATES the comparisons which she says so herself within the clip and if she were to dance on stage together with Bae, the flaws I talked about earlier would be apparent especially with the same choreography, Kiara herself a an excellent knows this and is aware of this. There would undoubtedly be Kiara antis who would use that to compare and dunk on Kiara as shitty as that is and that's what she doesn't want. People making comparisons.

>>72897873
Isn't that kanauru on the left though?

>>72897964
No it's a short she uploaded. It's not from the MV

>>72894837
>>72897276
just like 2 or 3 of them called her the best dancer in holo, the rest just gave her compliments about her dance just like they do with Bae

>>72897873
Yeah but aren't those people an extremely small minority?

>>72895080
>why does she still think she's a bad dancer?
Because she doesn't.
She literally says she's a good dancer in the scene.
https://youtu.be/3PWOHbz4O3o?t=39
She's just saying she's not as good as Bae or Laplace.
Stop misinterpreting shit.

>>72897873
I don't get what she's afraid of. No holofan outside of here is going to "dunk" on her. Especially on twitter or Youtube comments unless she's talking about /here/ where sisters will inevitably take it to the catalog

>>72898040
and they mentioned her as the best before Bae’s first 3D performance

>>72898263
I've never seen any YouTube comments say someone is making others look bad but I have seen comments praising the standout performer in a group for their skills.

>>72897276
Zeta was very recent I remember being in the threads but idk what stream

>>72898149
>Antis
Yes
>People making comparisons
No there are a lot of them, they don't want to do it with any ill will but yeah fans do say stuff like:
>"man x holo is on another level but all of them did a great job!"

>>72897873
Left is studio de ame btw

>>72893737
>baelz you are the best EN dancer now
why is she like this?

neither of them can pull off a performance like this

>>72897964
The left is Ame's shitty studio, while the right is Cover's studio.

>>72898320
All of those on the list were after last year's holofes where Bae performed though.

>>72897873
Hi Kiwawa

>>72899579
>>72898450
So would cover's studio make a difference? Based on the streams the two did with 3D I say the two, but it was pretty much mostly Kiara the 3D setup in Ame's house was pretty rough and stiff looking with it's tracking, which looked completely different to how she normally moved in cover's studio, so I'm curious.

>>72899786
>Would

>>72899853
>Would a billion dollar studio make a difference?
Anon? Not saying who is the better dancer between the two, but one is somebody's makeshift tracking room using an inexpensive mocap suit and wall mounted trackers, while the other is the most expensive mocap suits with specially designed tracking mocap rooms that probably cost as much as a standard house. So yes, it would make a difference. I do hope though that Kiara does follow through with inviting Bae to her 3D live, since both her and Bae mentioned wanting to dance with each other multiple times now, alongside Bae saying that dancing with Kiara is one of her 2024 goals/resolutions.

>>72900271
>I do hope though that Kiara does follow through with inviting Bae to her 3D live
But what will the schizo making all these bait threads and posts do when they have fun together? How will he continue living?

>>72898450
>>72899579
Fair enough
Here's her rendition from her birthday live which was recorded from the new Cover studio. The choreo and movements remain the same
https://youtu.be/5LNv7CzFJgc?t=341

>>72900486
He's gonna hyperfocus something one of the two said afterwards and double down. He has never had any shame despite constantly getting shat on by both kfp, brats and the holos themselves time and time again

>>72893944
tourist-chama...

>>72900486
>But what will the schizo making all these bait threads and posts do when they have fun together?
Eh, the schizo quit before on two separate occasions after they hung out in Japan, only to return like 2 weeks later and shitpost that they hate eachother as if nothing ever happened, it will probably be the same if she does invite Bae.
>>72900551
>The choreo and movements remain the same
Its the same choreo but noticeably better, anon.

>>72900788
Why is there a Kiara vs Bae dancing debate? What even started it in the first place?

>>72900891
The Bae/Kiaraschizo is mentally ill beyond relief, he has been doing fanbase wars like this for 3 years. He first did Kiara vs Bae during 4th fes and then got caught fucking up his falseflag and like 300 IPs collectively shat on him and publicly embarrassed him and his feeble mind never recovered
Here's his fuckup
>>45451338

>>72901127
So I take it he just has a humiliation fetish? what a creep

Mating Press

>>72900891
>Why is there a Kiara vs Bae dancing debate? What even started it in the first place?
They're arguably in the top 10 best dancers in hololive. Bae is better at one type of dancing this is what Bae herself said and Kiara is better at another type of dancing. Both have complimented eachother's dancing and mentioned wanting to dance with eachother on multiple different occasions. Anons will bring up the tweet of Kiara calling Bae the best dancer in EN in regards to what started the debate, but Bae denied that she's the best dancer in EN, and that tweet has very little to do with what actually started it. What really started it was Bae mentioning that she was excited to perform in holofes, which made some Kiara schizos shit on Kiara for some reason and start to compare the twos dancing abilities. It got really bad after last years holofes since both had other holo members calling them the best dancers in hololive. Was the same this year, since they both had people complimenting them calling them the best dancers in hololive again. But it's only really a thing in here, but combine that with Kiara's lack of confidence despite constantly having multiple people call her the best dancer in hololive alongside Bae, you can probably see why schizos latched onto it so hard. Sorry for the paragraph

>>72897164
i checked her out, she's meh, also
>only sings jp songs

>>72897873
sex rat