/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>7266035
80% of her subs are dead subs anyway so it's not surprising.

>Gura needs karaoke to be even with Pekora these days
Yikes

>>7266035
we can confirmed all gura viewers are dead subs

I always have time for shark karaoke

half the views on a karaoke that gorilla got on her 3rd or 4th day of grinding for uparupa

>>7266498
Not sure why Gura fags always make a big deal about numbers but comparing her recent videos to the rest of EN, Gura hits 400k+ on every video where the rest including even Mori can barely hit 300k if even

>>7266035
>b-but muh trillion vod views

>>7266498
I read that as dead submarines

>>7266588
Comparing the EN market to the JP market on live viewers is retarded. The EN vtuber market is far less developed, and far more spread out.

>>7266924
cope

Dead subs? Dead subs.

aii yused to roool the diiice
put my dEEK in muyenemis aaass

>>7266035
Watching it right now and its pretty fun. Too bad dealing with english copyrights is like ripping out your toenails, without their money collecting autism we could have these much more often.

This happened because she sold out to Tacobell

>>7266035
>Jerk off every Gura stream
At least she rules you.

Why are her antis so obsessed with her numbers when she's the antithesis of a numberfag?

>>7267470
>drops games like a hot potato the moment they fail to hit 20k+ viewers
Yeah, she doesn't care about numbers at ALL, right

>>7267470
Some of them are also obsessed with chumbuds for some reason lol

>>7267494
That's what I said, yes

Obvious bait thread comparing apples and oranges.

>>7266820
>My live viewers only matter.
Then how come Gura is the only one 1.4m accrued views on Henry Stickmin when Pekora, Korone, Marine played around the same time and had relatively the same amount of live viewers? Gura had 37,000 peak while the others hovered around 33,000 peak. If live viewers correlated with accrued views they should hit about the same amount of views but they don't. Pekora got the least amount of SCs and views when compared to the others. Marine has the most SCs for the game and Korone has the most views on the JP side.

Is it possible to grasp that certain games and who plays them draw certain people in more when compared to others in a similar situation? Every channel has big draws to get people to watch (and maybe rewatch) and others they skip over. It's not a hard concept. Even Marine's new outfit with 135,000 live viewers could only muster a little over $9,000 yet it lost to the Kanata Upa lupa gacha that someone mentioned and didn't make as much as when Gura premiered her new outfit. Even Subaru, which had 90,000 live viewers for a special episode of Oozora police, only scraped less than $900 out of it. On the low end, Subaru hit a low of 3,500 live viewers for a shill Idoly pride promotion or something for a range comparison. Even Pekora hit a low of less than 10,000 for the 3rd or 4th playthrough of Shin-chan during IRyS's karaoke. I'd give a more accurate number for this but it seems the live viewer counter is broken on the site I'm using but I know it wasn't amazing compared to the usual draw she has. What I'm saying is nobody is at their best at all times and excel in areas more than others. Gura probably excels more in people watching her videos later rather than the upfront live viewers that Ayame or Rushia get. You sure as hell aren't seeing people watch 2019 Pekora Minecraft for the nostalgia.

>>7267494
you mean the same games that she’s expressed a lack of interest in because she doesn’t find them very fun? coming from a girl who already has commitment issues to begin with? face it, retard, shes not a numberfag, unless you consider anxiety about being the top of the industry as numberfagging.

>>7267494
>drops games like a hot potato the moment they fail to hit 20k+ viewers
>Stream metroid 4 times even it didn't hit 15k
Ogey

>>7267593
>proves she only did it for the SC money

>>7266726
I stopped caring about VOD views after Pewdiepie happened and so should you because they quife clearly mean very little to the actual popularity of a thing
same for sub count

>>7266820
I still don't get why people think this is an argument. JP streamers get 90% of their audience live because they live in the same timezone. EN (especially Gura) is spread across the entire world. We've already seen what she gets when most of her audience tunes in live, which was over 190k. Compare that to one of the most popular JP streamers, Marine, who only managed 136k on her outfit reveal.

>>7266035
pffffffffft hahahahaah is all you care about subs? GIRL hahhahahah just have fun with this job hahahah like seeeeeeeeeeeriously your core fans still BELIEEEEEEVE in you

what happened?

>>7267723
Unarchived kek

>>7267470
>her antis
It's not her antis
It's the same HERfag discord that posts the threads here using Gura and HER pictures to try and inflame literally almost year old initial complaints about her and her past
They have poor sense, so they just keep posting numberfagging threads, and then samefag with responses about why they hate Gura for getting numbers, and then samefag posts about how Gura didn't get numbers here
They literally have made scripts to make HERfag posts land on big gets in the past just to try and bait as many people as possible with their crap
But their posts sound ALL THE FUCKING SAME
EVERY
TIME
EVERY FUCKING TIME
SINCE THE LITERAL RELEASE OF HOLOEN
They think their bait works but they would be just as effective with any form of bait because what's annoying about them is how retarded they are

>>7267683
>Only managed 136k
>ONLY

Numberfags should've been swallowed.

>>7266035
chunks would load when I gave the word...

>>7267643
You sound desperate.

Anyone archive that stream?

>>7267758
I mean a bunch of them are probably the same no-life losers that hang around in HER discord before she blew it up, for good reason.
Proper numberfagging with actual logic has happened in examining why Gura's numbers are the way they are, but outside of numbers you'll rarely find a sane numberpost.
It doesn't help that by sheer number there are going to be more idiots that take the bait in Gura's fanbase.

>>7267683
>EN (especially Gura) is spread across the entire world.
More like spread across Indonesia lmao

>>7267940
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjYyqu5NisM

>>7267766
In comparison to Gura, retard. Try learning context. Do I need to draw you a picture in crayon first?

>>7267683
It's also the fact that the majority of Gura's fans are casual normalfag clipniggers who watch for 30 seconds to see what she's up to, and then close the stream. That makes one (inflated) VOD view, but not one live viewer. JP audiences are more hardcore and watch it to watch it.
Ina is the only one with JP-like viewer retention which is why her live viewers start out shit but then just endlessly rise until they peak well above her genmates (sans dead subs shark)

>>7267962
thanks

>>7267758
Okay? Doesn't that just make them antis?

>>7267977
>the fact that the majority of Gura's fans are casual normalfag clipniggers who watch for 30 seconds to see what she's up to
Oh it's a fact now? Care to give me the source?

>>7267972
I don't care what fucking context you're using it in, saying 'Only 136k' is so fucking stupid, just like all the bullshit you numberfags peddle.

I'm sorry but there's new queen of dead subs pic related

>>7268144
>muh numbers are gay cope
Eat shit Gura still is able to low effort high views

>>7267977
Yes anon, the casual normalfags who can only stomach watching 30 seconds have stuck around doing this for months. Makes perfect sense.

And we've already seen when she plays the same popular games as the biggest JPs that she can get the same or more live views.

>>7268215
Nothing I said here is about Gura, I couldn't care less about her or her numbers. I just find it asinine that someone is trying to act like 136k live viewers on a stream is bad in any context.

you guys just don't try to argue with numberfags, they are the worst kind of schizos

>>7268299
Go to number thread, it underperformed
Should have easily broken 200k

>>7268322
NOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T BE A HOLOLIVE FAN IF YOU SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN'Y ONLY DO THAT IF YOU'RE A FAN OF NIJISABJI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>7268361
This but unironically

>>7268299
>bad in any context
Better than = 1/Not as good != bad
If we both take a test, you get a 90/100 and I get 95/100, then I did better than you and you did worse than me, but neither score was bad

>>7268322
Back to re*dit

>>7268235
>have stuck around doing this for months.
Why do you think she's reclining so hard retard
Her fucking Karaoke can't even beat Pekora's minecraft anymore.

>>7268391
I agree with that fully. Make the statement that she 'only managed 136k' is framing it in a bad light. Which is just ridiculous, it'd be the same as saying I only got 90/100 in your scenario, it frames it in a bad light.

>>7268483
Another direct comparison, since you're so obsessed.

>>7268561
>cherry picking

>>7266820
Fun fact: Gura's average of total views / total uploads is more than double Pekora's.
>Gura: 147,627,961 / 197 = 749,380.5
>Pekora: 235,388,679 / 664 = 354,501.0
So her views relative to amount of available content is actually pretty much directly proportional to her sub lead on Pekora. I'm sure a bigger numberfag than I could do a proper assessment for all Holo members to calculate the exact trend, if they were so inclined.

>>7268591
>accuses of cherrypicking
>cherrypicks one week
Oggey

>>7268591
Those were the highest live views for each on that game. And like I already said, I was making direct comparisons to the same game.

>>7268591
Wasn't the UsaKen thread the one that showed the live views were fucked and Gura actually had a substantial lead on Pekora?

>>7268693
No, Gura had most views since she started early, obs fucked up and wouldn't capture the game, she had to restart and when she came back Pekora was up

>>7268693
>live views were fucked
It's always been fucked since December 2020.

>>7268727
I don't see how that would skew the end viewcount. Moreover, Pekora's VOD is 37 minutes longer.

>>7268748
>this cope again

>>7268821
Faggot, lurk in number thread. Live views were proven to be a fucking meme.

>>7268821
Cope, but also some truth. Live viewer numbers have been fucky across the board since that update for everyone, but not the same amount for each person. Since YT wants to be as opaque as possible as to what exactly was changed, we can only throw our hands in the air and just give up on worrying about it.

>>7268748
What's the actual explanation for this? I always see streams with for example 20k viewers but the instant the stream ends it'll have 200k views.
I remember a thread around one of cocos streams that was exceptionally short (iirc perhaps her graduation announcement stream?) where the same thing happened, indicating that the extra views aren't from people leaving and joining. This indicates that live viewer counts are orders of magnitudes off, but I have never seen an explanation as to why/how.

>>7268924
It's been speculated that YT simply doesn't register live views from users with addblock or some shit. I don't think there's been any confirmation of anything concrete though.

>>7268956
Susan needs to graduate

>>7268924
>>7268956
The best information we have is a tweet from yt in late Nov 2020 that "you might see a reduction in live viewers because of anti-spam measures or whatever"
What that means is anyones guess.

>>7268821
>stream just started
idk man, 12k ccv 14k votes.

>>7269118
It's hilarious that those so-called "anti-spam measures" did fuck all to slow or stop the chinkspam. I'd actually quite like to see what the fuck they actually did, since it didn't seem remotely related to that at all.

>>7268841
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/search/filename/1626753928557/
Average chumbud kek

>>7269179
found it, it was later than expected but the timeframe fits

>>7269118
Damn, wish we had more info.

>>7269200
quoting myself here, I just realized they were replying to the turboschizo supreme. jesas

>>7269200
Yeah, I remember their official response being delayed as fuck. Presumably they only even issued a statement because people started pointing it out in the first place.

>>7269172
yeah that's very weird. On Twitch almost never even half of viewers of big streamers vote in polls.

>>7269244
It's actually still kind of a novelty in Hololive though. Twitch streamers have polls every 2 or 3 minutes sometimes.

>>7269244
>Also only 2k likes
They can log in to vote but can't drop a like wtf

The memebug conspiracy doesn't explain why Gura's liveviewers keep getting worse and worse

>>7269320
Some people are weird and don't like until the stream is over. Or just don't do it at all.

>>7269351
Her total viewcount is down because she took prolonged breaks in the past few weeks. Her actual VOD viewcount progression doesn't seem to have changed much, she's always been in the 400K+ plus range for her typical streams after about a week or so, so any change in live viewcount doesn't seem to have had any real impact.

>>7266035
HOLY FUCKING MOGHED HOW FUCKING TERRIBLE SHE MUST FEEL FOR BEING SUCH A DUMB CUNT. HOLY FUCKING SHIT I HATE GURA SHE DESERVES TO HAVE SUCH LOW AND PATHETIC VIEWS. SHE DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING TRY TO SING WELL AND SHE WAS CLEARLY DRUNK ON STREAM BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HOLOLIVE. I CANT FUCKING BELIEVE THEY MADE HER THE FAVE OF HOLOLIVE WHEN PEKORA IS CLEARLY MORE POPULAR. GURA DOESN'T EVEN MAKE AS MUCH MONEY IN SUPERCHATS AND THE STUPID BITCH FORGOT TO EVEN TURN THEM ON LAST STREAM. IDK HOW COVER PUTS UP WITH ALL THIS SHIT AND ITS UNFAIR HOW GURA GETS SUCH PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FROM THEM. PEKORA SHOULD BE THE ONE WITH THE TACOBELL AD BECAUSE SHES PEKO PEKO WHICH MEANS HUNGRY AND IT MAKES SO MUCH MORE SENSE AND TACO BELL PICKED GURA FOR SOME REASON EVEN THOUGH HER NUMBERS ARE LOWER THAN PEKORAS. I CANT BELIEVE PEOPLE ACTUALLY FALL FOR THE VOD VIEW MEME!!! I CANT BELIEVE I SAT THROUGH THAT SHIT KARAOKE BUT AT LEAST I HAD UBLOCK ON SO MY LIVE VIEW DIDNT COUNT. FUCKING DUMB BITCH DOESN'T DESERVE MY NUMBER!!!!!

>rabbit mogs her again
HAHAHAHAHA

People who focus too much on the spam viewers thing are chumbud copers. Gura is getting shit viewers by any metric. Ina and Ame get close to her numbers now.

>>7266035
>200k subbed the past 30 days,
>80% did not watch live streams
dead subs?

>>7270374
all me

>gura overviewed
>how dare she
>gura underviewed
>also how dare she
get some fucking integrity faggot, goddamn

>>7270357
Do do know YouTube live viewers have been confirmed to be totally fucked right?

>>7267683
she used to pull over 100k concurrent viewers constantly in her early days. "half her fanbase is sleeping" is gigacope. USA alone is almost triple the population of japan

>>7270383
Must have been a lot of work anon. Last time I did, I could only create 7? accounts per mobile number.

>>7270761
I have subscribed on all my smarthome devices, including lamps and toothbrushes, as well as my Roboco

>>7270711
>she used to pull over 100k concurrent viewers constantly in her early days
No she didn't even before the SPAM VIEWERS she only pulled that number once with Karaoke

HEY GURA! THIRTY SIX!

>>7271153
So what

>>7271153
>>7268655

why are vshitstains trying so hard

>>7270711
What the fuck are you talking about? No she didn't.

This attention whore is really desperate for (you)s, he posts the same stuff in the numbers thread...
>>7271375

>>7271831
Thanks for the You

>>7271153
I'm looking at that nearly identical viewer average and laughing at you.

>>7271981
>n-n-nearly identical! *sniffles*

>>7271153
now add VODS from same games ....ohhh thats right, you are scared as always.

>>7271153
>t. Nigger that doesn't watch streams
That Karaoke was bigger meme than Peko numberfagging

>>7266035

RENT FREE

>>7266035
All hail the clipper queen.

How long until any other holo covers Reflect?

>>7276668
No permissions because En are bitches. Moona spoke a little about it.

>>7266035
Reminder that there are several discord servers dedicated in making accounts to sub to gura. Don't know if they still existed, but I know they were created with the sole purpose of surpassing Kizuna Ai in subs.

>>7267683
So if "spread around the world" means the American continent, then sure.

>>7278220
America IS the world.

>shit shark mogged by peker + cant get 1/3 of marine viewers
the decline is real

>>7278355
There's never an incline to begin with. They were generated by bots.

>Several Gura anti threads up at any given time now
Why though?
She is like the most inoffensive chuba out there, doesn't start any drama or gives reasons to drum up this much constant hate.
Whats the deal?

>>7278439
They're bait to piss off chumbuds.

>>7268345
>go 2 numbers thread
Or you could think for yourself and understand one or two anons saying that 1 hundred and fucking thirtysix THOUSAND live viewers is a disappoint is fucking retarded brainrot.

These are the same shitheads that fuck over box office movie threads because we let children on the internet, so they just throw out impossible numbers with no tracking or reasoning.

>>7268235
>has 2 million more subs than Marine and Korone
>only 4k more live viewers than both of them
Thanks for further proving that Sharkie is the queen of deadsubs retard

Clipnigger drama getting more replies than Gura anti threads

>>7268193
She got pretty much the same viewership for her unarchived karaoke as Gura despite having just 15% the amount of subs.

>>7266035
>Much more than Pewd's live viewer
She is doing fine.

Chumbuds really should just ignore Gura's anti threads. It is always so stupid and short-sighted.

>>7279081
They should also just accept that Gura has the worst retention out of anyone in Hololive and be at peace with that.

>>7268693
Yes, both during and after the festival Gura consistently had more total views than Pekora despite having like 20k fewer live views and streaming 30 minutes less.
For more proof, this is an Ina Minecraft VOD from June 29 that had about 14k avg live views and 17.3k max live views, lasted 2:14 with 267k total views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FmlfHVVR_U
Compare to this one from Nov.17 with 24.4k avg live views, 28.7k max live views, lasted 2:11, and has 248.6k total views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PrcEUr6PY4
Same game, similar length of time but a 10k live viewer difference and 7 months difference to get more views yet the newer VOD with fewer live views has about 20k more total views.

>>7269384
>>7269320
I use my liked video playliat as a replacement playliat for random stuff, so I never like a video unless I feel like it has replay value or I want to be able to find it later because it's important. Throughout the last 10 years using the same account, over 2 of which I'd also been watching vtubers, I've only amassed about 120 liked videos.
It's not improbable that others are doing this. Or I'm just autistic and other people just forget to like.

>>7279319
then we are autistic together, i do the exact same.

>>7278439
For bait but the reason for the bait is they are jealous of her sub count. That's what it comes down to.

>>7266035
But she has the most live viewers out of EN. If that’s bad, the others are utterly terrible.

>>7266035
Gura's viewers are spread out between Americas, Europe and Asia. 90% of Pekora's viewers are in Japan. The timezone difference makes it so that most of Gura's viewers can't watch live.

>>7278439
just nijiniggers trying to incite a civil war amongst holobronies, best to ignore

>>7281618
The absolute state of Hololive Global.

TAKAMORI IS DEAD

https://twitter.com/FuketsuChan/status/1421091123737636866

>>7266035
But she’s the EOP queen

>>7287193
Good. Shipfags get the rope.

>>7269725
/vt/ in a nutshell
kek

>>7287193
How does Kiara liking a shitty takamori meme edit mean its dead exactly?