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Thoughts?

>> No.72487868

>>72487797
>Thoughts?
No. Head empty.

>> No.72488037

Says a lot that the biggest idolfag wanted to get the fuck out before this

>> No.72488105

>>72487797
It's an improvement objectively, none of the removed people could sing or dance except maybe Pomu and she was highly overrated by pomies

>> No.72488336

>>72488105
The people remaining can't either

>> No.72488518

#WhereIsScarle
She's gone, isn't she?

>> No.72488567

>>72487797
actually laughed out loud. that's what you get when you force male chuubas into off collabs with girls that never were and never will be idols. lmao.

>> No.72488635

>>72488518
fake fan

>> No.72488650

>>72488518
retard

>> No.72488774

>>72487797
>more guys than girls
>none of them can sing or dance
Unbelievably grim

>> No.72489598

>>72487797
Only took them losing 5 members to release it, good one nijisanji!

>> No.72489708
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72489708

>>72487797
>Thoughts?

>> No.72489718

>>72488105
pomu is literally the only one that could sing and dance in that group, you are objectively a retard

>> No.72489854
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72489854

>>72488105
Pomu was the only one who could both sing or dance in the entire lineup.
It won't matter either way since they'll just be skinwalked assuming they even bother to not just make it a glorified 2D Karaoke.

>> No.72491021
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>>72489708

>> No.72494632

>>72487797
So this is why everyone was in Japan? It makes sense now

>> No.72495082

I'm actually glad Selen isn't in this lineup because she's too fat and can't sing.

>> No.72495122

>>72487797
Less organ more money, riku win.

>> No.72495266

>>72489854
I am kind of doubting they put out money for skinwalkers

>> No.72495430

>>72495082
They would've shoved her into the No Dancing corner with Fulgur.

>> No.72495535

>>72495082
Fulgur...

>> No.72495600

>>72495535
Males...

>> No.72495724
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72495724

>>72495082
>she doesn't know Selen is trained in ballet

>> No.72495755

>>72495600
Ethyria...

>> No.72495833

>>72495755
Niji...

>> No.72495847

>>72488037
Implying this was on the plans, it's a desperation move and will probably be rushed as fuck

>> No.72495960

>>72495266
The skinwalkers is their own employee.
They don't need to pay anything than the bare minimum salary.

>> No.72496131
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72496131

>>72487797
STALINSANJI STRIKES AGAIN

>> No.72496534

>>72487797
but Fulgur still cannot trim himself

>> No.72500344

>>72487797
>The same fucking promo art
>Just a couple of edits here and there
Jesus fucking Christ, this is their biggest event of the year after their drama and they still do the bare minimum? At the very least, show that you have any confidence at all. Riku is such a fucking jew, holy shit.

>> No.72500447

>>72487797
I'm ready for their bullshit excuse called COVID 2.

>> No.72502265

>>72487797
Not getting Doppio and Ren to take the missing spots is a missed opportunity

>> No.72503083

>>72487797
Where are the new livers who debued after the golden 20? Why aren’t they in the AR live? Like if they’re going to redo the event, might as well include the new ones right

>> No.72503839

>>72502265
They had a chance to squeeze Maria into someone's role and flubbed it.

>> No.72504787

It's just 4 people gone.
That's not too bad.

>> No.72504872

>>72487797
>Japan only, no Youtube, only Bilibili.
>No venue.
>Dropped out of nowhere, no pre-publicity.
>Poster feels rushed as fuck.

Desperation last move to make Q4 look good. They cheaped out even on the poster. I really hop for their own good it doesn’t majestically flop but if it does or gets cancelled again this is the final nail in the coffin.

>> No.72504955

>>72500344
>Buggest event.
Rumao. It’s literally an hail mary. If it was so big they would be publicizing from February and try to sell it overseas. Even the Rhapsody can be brought in the west.

>> No.72505021

>>72500344
Hey now that's slander, the bare minimum would've been to just leave everything as is except deleting the goners like that one Selen promo art!

>> No.72505032

>>72487797
rushed and cheap, but at least they're trying

>> No.72505044

>>72502265
>>72503083
>>72503839
>>72504787
>People not realizing this is just the old AR with them redoing the parts with ex-livers.
I really feel sorry of you to not get the new gens are just sacrificial lambs to keep the clique alive.
Otherwise they would take their time and not release this is a week.

>> No.72505059

>>72487797
meanwhile, holoEN doesn't even get a concert whatsoever.

>> No.72505155
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72505155

>>72505059
...Sister?
And all of them were at Fes.

>> No.72505191

>>72505155
>last year
holofag please. your EN branch isn't getting anything this year. no new 3D debuts, no new concert, no new members.

>> No.72505223

>>72505191
Shift those goalposts sis. Great job.

>> No.72505258
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72505258

>>72505191
...Sister, you're joking right?
All of the girls were at Fes. Every single one. Even Advent had a role since they didn't have 3D yet.

>> No.72505289

They musy have planned this for a long time. I can't believe Selen would deliberately ruin this for everyone but those are the facts.

>> No.72505359

>>72505289
yeah, I can't believe Selen invented "covid" *skull emoji*. That bitch.

>> No.72505364

>>72500344
They know NijiEN is doomed, they aren't gonna spend anything more on it. They are pushing this out to recoup some losses before canning the branch. Most of the work was already done over a year ago.

>> No.72505445

>>72505191
We're getting vanguard 3d, Advent 3d, ReGloss 3d, Maybe even ARMIS 3d, they literally had every single member in japan except shiori and biboo, and they can hop over to japan literally any time to record theirs, They got ALL of fucking holostars EN there for like a month, way longer than their appearances in HoloFes, They had octavio and hakka in karaokes with holostars JP, Jurard was hosting convention walks with holostars JP, Advent was hosting convention walks, All for free on youtube to 80k+ viewers, And they had FOUR concerts for half the price as the retarded singapore concert, And cheaper than this rushed slopjob, Get over it, Your pathetic and so is your company

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72505455

>>72505191

>> No.72505485

>>72505289
Did pomu also ruin it by not being there Retard?, Imagine being obsessed with the ONLY ex niji who isn't shitting themselves over how terrible the company is

>> No.72505520

>>72505455
Calli alone has been in 5 times more 3D concerts than all of NijiEN

>> No.72505528

>>72505485
Considering she was literally the only person in the entire branch who can both sing AND dance? Yeah. Her and selen were the only reasons to even give a shit about that concert unless you were a chinese woman.

>> No.72505554

>>72505455
Cali is also getting a birthday 3d live, Kronii IRyS and Bae had 3D lives, And we are almost certainly gonna get Advent 3D around their anniversary or in august while ReGloss gets theirs in September, And We're almost certainly gonna see the rest of Holostars EN get theirs this year too

>> No.72505569

>>72505059
>>72505191
Sister new goalpsost moving: Holofes never happened.
I think the sis know EXACLTY this AR is a major flop waiting to happen as all the actual posts I found are from doubters and they have barely tried to celebrate this.

>> No.72505596

>>72505528
Well you can blame niji for being such a worthless dogshit company and driving both of them out, But it's clear you aren't a sister so i won't be harsh on ya

>> No.72505632
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72505632

>>72505554
I cannot fucking wait to see the shenanigans the dogs will get up to in japan with 3D.
Holy fucking shit, it's going to be so good.

>> No.72505669

>>72505596
I absolutely do. It's criminal that Niji fucked this up considering how much those two loved the company when they joined.

>> No.72505721

>>72487797
This should of happened last year...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CApfuC7jTbU

The talents would of not been the butt of jokes when it comes to getting 3D in comparisons to Indies. I'm not sure how to really feel knowing the management is still worthless dog shit and Riku is still a inbreed piece of shit.

On a small note I do want to see the girls dance and sing. Too bad Maria is not part of AR she should be.

>> No.72505863

>>72488774
>more guys than girls
>none of them can sing or dance
>Unbelievably grim
Could you make it anymore apparent you have no idea what you're talking about? Nobody knows who can dance among all the girls. I know Enna said she doesn't likewise Millie. I am holding out hope that Reimu does being latina.

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>>72505669
>considering how much those two loved the company when they joined.

>> No.72505896

>>72505721
The entiretly of NijiEN dying started with the AR and will end it with the AR. One way or another, most probably their final nail in the coffin.

>> No.72505909

>>72487797
Just fuckin' kill them while Virtual to Live is being played.

>> No.72505944

>>72487797
when is the noctis organ getting fired?

>> No.72505954

>>72505896
Imagine if at the end of ar live they announce their merge with the jap branch KEK

>> No.72505979

>>72495082
>>72495430
I thought Fulgur couldn't leave his home due to his back? Well if he's able to travel it's fine with me but I don't know if he's been practicing singing or not.

>> No.72505980

>>72505871
Anon they joined as literally the first batch of recruits for Nijisanji English. They had no fucking clue what they were getting into.

>> No.72505992

>a whole year has passed
>reused art
>2 weeks notice
>no new performers
Imagine trying to sell this like a win

>> No.72506065

>>72505992
I would rather have this AR live get overlapped with a major event.

>> No.72506136

>>72500344
LMAO as a niji fan did you honestly think that worthless dog Riku and the managers would do put up a new original promo art? Fuck no. I keep my expectations very low. The only thing I am looking forward to is listening to Ethyria.

>> No.72506173

>>72505992
>no new performers
This is the reason why I think this will be the last hurrah for NijiEN. They are just reusing material from last year, cutting out the graduated and terminated talents, and maybe rerecording some parts with the organs that went to Japan.

>> No.72506191

>>72505863
Reimu aside all the girls have either mentioned explicitly they cannot dance for the life of them or had their 3D wherein it was clearly shown and proceeded not to take any dance lessons after that.
You want to know who tried to get a dance tutor? Nina, Pomu and Selen.

>> No.72506198

>>72487797
Imagine paying the same amount while having fewer performanets bexause your company is so incompetent. 3 female members gone in a year

>> No.72506208

>>72504787
Losing Pomu fucking hurts. The others didn't really matter unless Selen could actually dance. I know she can't sing.

>> No.72506220

>>72506173
Clearly. There's no fucking way they're living past June. I don't even know if EN will make it to June now. It's like they're just shoving out whatever they can before running away with the money and shuffling the remaining non-graduated talent into the other 200 streamer pile to compete for scraps of lottery resources.

>> No.72506230

>>72505863
Reimu only knows how to suck Vox's dick

>> No.72506239

>>72506136
Same goes with VEE with their Merge concert last month. My expectations are low when they'll just have 2D models singing karaoke.

However, a few VEE members got 3D models while the rest uses Live2D. Not the worst concert, but not great either.

But seriously, I have no confidence that Nijisanji EN AR Live will ever succeed. Hell, they might get mogged by better agencies in the future.

>> No.72506255

>>72506208
She's trained in ballet.
She's very embarrassed about it though. She also mentioned practicing hard to dance and it sounded like she was learning a routine for the AR live or whatever in one of the recent streams.

>> No.72506282

>>72505044
>>People not realizing this is just the old AR with them redoing the parts with ex-livers.
That kinda makes sense. That's probably why they went and replaced the talents that left. Still they should of brought in Maria and Ren holy shit. What a missed opportunity.

>> No.72506294

>>72488336
This

>> No.72506374

>>72506255
Look at the bright side: sooner or later we will get Doki and Mint dancing together in 3D. Selen and Pomu were always up to participate in whatever ideas each other had if they had time. Like Selen was in both full branch covers Pomu spearheaded for example.

>> No.72506393

>>72487797
They hastily redid anything involving the organs that have graduated, so I fully expect there to be noticeable cuts in at least two or three separate instances

>> No.72506429

>>72506374
...You know what would be pure kino? If Deerskin doesn't become a vtuber again and instead they do a weird AR thing where doki's dancing in 3D and deerskin's dancing in person. I guess they could still do that either way, but man, that'd be so cute.

>> No.72506515

>>72506429
>If Deerskin doesn't become a vtuber again
No thank you. While I'm not against Pomu doing things as her IRL self, it's clear not being behind a virtual character makes her significantly less confident. Going back to vtubing and seeing how many people still want to watch her would give her a boost in confidence that she sorely needs.

>> No.72506571

>>72506515
ok fair. But also, if she's getting into holo it'll probably be a long wait either way. I feel really bad for the pomudachi. Vshojo would be faster, I guess, but I have my own thoughts on that place. I don't think going indie would help her reach her full potential like Doki did.

>> No.72506629
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72506629

>>72496131
They sure do save a lot of money not commissioning artists to redraw group shots.

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72506703

>>72506136
>as a niji fan
>The only thing I am looking forward to is listening to Ethyria

>> No.72506778

>>72506191
Well that fucking sucks to know. All I know is my girl Enna is too lazy to work out so any dancing is out. It's not her thing but what's more important is her voice and she's the best among them but I do want to see her ass try to dance since she's a Beyonce fan likewise Reimu.

>> No.72506810

>>72500344
>>72505992
yeah this is the worst part
>using the same poster of a cancelled event over a year later
>half of the announced partecipants aren't even there anymore
>the cancellation came like a week after the initial announcement
they are absolutely not even fucking trying anymore, they're just shitting this out because they don't want to sit on the material they already have recorded for too long until more of them graduate
the absolute LEAST they could do is redoing the marketing material, giving it a new name and a different coat of paint, but nope

>> No.72506818

>>72505896
For now I am going to doubt that will happen mostly because I want to see Ethyria do more 3D concerts. We'll see I guess.

>> No.72506857
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72506857

>>72506255
>She's trained in ballet.
>She's very embarrassed about it though
Why do people even still bother with the Organs is my gap moe tomboy is already so perfect?

>> No.72506869

>>72489718
>>72489854
Like her or hate her, Enna can sing. Idk about dance though.

>> No.72506921

>>72505863
Talking about the guys but I don't expect much of the women unless they get skinwalked

>> No.72506954

>>72506703
I barely watched Selen dumb fuck. Even now I barely watch Doki. Unlike Ethyria she's not for me.

>> No.72506966

>>72506857
fuck I can't find it again, but there was a message between her and pomu saying "don't tell the dragoons but I did ballet."
and pomu posted it.

>> No.72507061

>>72506255
I didn't know Selen had such a background. That would of been very useful.

>> No.72507117

>>72506954
Oh, you have to be the famous Ennaschizo. Well have fun watching it, may be the last time you see them.

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72507150

>>72507061
She also did volleyball and a bit of track and field. She was a star athlete but then fucked off on computers once she got out of high school and got addicted to nerd shit.
She is literally the perfect tomboy.

>> No.72507182

>>72506220
wtf are you even talking about? Where are you getting your bullshit info from? All we see is this low effort AR concert that should of happened last year being recycled with promo art and so forth.

>> No.72507212

>>72507061
Sadly Singing and Dancing is good only for corpo business and she knows well. It’s rare for Indies to get 3Ds because they can’t do much with it at the end of the day.
Not that I would wish for anyone this shitfest however. Literally last break glass in case of emergency, not even trying to sell in EN.

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72507222

>>72506966
Here. Not posted by Pomu but rather on Pomu's channel.

>> No.72507257

>>72507222
thanks I was looking for this

>> No.72507328

>>72507117
The "Enna schizo" you speak of hates Enna and makes threads about her retarded dumb fuck. Bitches like you have been on her case for 3 years now move the fuck on. Get a life bitch just because no guy wants your stinky snatch don't take it out on her.

>> No.72507332

>>72487797
this looks so sad.
rosemi, petra, get out of there.

>> No.72507406
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72507406

>>72487797
Seeing the new poster feels sad for both sides but it looks Essen sadder for the girls' side with all that empty space on the top 2 rows.

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72507472

>>72487797
Is this another prerecorded? I have been waiting for nearly 2 months.

>> No.72507508

>>72507150
Well shit sounds almost like me except I'm the male version but poor. Once I got a PC all that shit went out the window and I was playing MMORPG's and I don't regret it.

>>72507212
I agree. She might participate in one or two as a Indie but often like a holo or niji concert such a talent would of been better in use there unless she joins like VShojo whom seem to be doing concerts more lately.

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72507543

>>72507472
Yeah it's prerecorded

>> No.72507829

>>72507543
>Viewing from overseas is not possible
>NijiEN
I swear these people in kurosanji are the most dumbest fools in the vtuber sphere. What is the damn point if I can't even watch the English branch catered to us from overseas? It can't be pure incompetence. This shit is so bizarre.

>> No.72507968

>>72487797
Really could've used new art and composition for the promo material.
It's like they want people to think about the four livers that used to be right there but aren't anymore

>> No.72508138

>>72488518
its over for her

>> No.72508192

>>72495122
>more money
whos gonna tell him

>> No.72508333

>>72505632
they are an actual idol,its gonna be kino

>> No.72508434

>>72507543
>Niji EN
what kind of retarded shit is this

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72508881

>>72507543
>this program is not available outside japan
>EN

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>>72507543
>this program is not available outside of japan

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>>72507543
>>72507829
>>72508881
>>72509503
not a Niji fan but the offical page doesn't say that
there's already plenty to shit on without spreading misinfo

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72510005

>>72507543
>>72507829
>>72508881
>>72509503
not a Niji fan but the official page doesn't say that the stream is JP-exclusive
there's already plenty to shit on without spreading misinfo

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72510026

>>72507968
https://www.nijisanji.jp/events/EN_COLORS/img/cast/cast_02.png
https://www.nijisanji.jp/events/EN_COLORS/img/cast/cast_07.png
https://www.nijisanji.jp/events/EN_COLORS/img/cast/cast_12.png
https://www.nijisanji.jp/events/EN_COLORS/img/cast/cast_04.png
Four? What do you mean, anon? There was only ever three.

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72510099

>>72510026
>they actually deleted Selen's art while keeping the other 3
Holy shit they are THAT petty huh?

>> No.72511345

>>72488635
>>72488650
they should have added Scarle and they could have, stop coping

>> No.72511456

>>72487797
Is Aster going to be okay with half the boys wearing White outfits?

>> No.72511785

>>72510005
Thanks for providing the correct information. I thought that stupid fucker was providing a screenshot straight from the site itself.

>>72505979
>Due to health reasons, Fulgur Ovid will not be performing in 3D and will only participate in the variety segment with 2D model.
Well that answers that. He probably never went to Japan. I don't know how severe his issue is must be bad.

>Viewers can catch the opening of each stage streamed for free on Youtube...
Just the opening? Holo gives us at least 3-4 concert songs sheesh!

>Please note that certain parts of this performance will not feature AR affects.
What are AR effects?

>> No.72514079

>>72487797
>within a year, every wave manage to lost someone
kek

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>>72505721
>>72506282
>>72507182
>>72507061
>>72507508
>should of
>would of

>> No.72515697

>>72487797
Dookieturd in shambles

>> No.72515732

>>72500344
>You should do more work and spend more money even if the edited art still works well to show confidence.
Wastefulness isn't confidence. It's insecurity and stupidity.

>> No.72515735

>>72515697
I guarantee you her stream on that day will have higher ccv than ar live kek

>> No.72516111

>>72505191
This is such a sad projection from a nijisister, self-realisation they are getting nothing else after this.

>> No.72516760

>>72487797
Off the top of my head. It may seem poorly paced and/or stale because that is often what happens when you cut pieces out of something that was designed with the missing pieces as part of the whole. Good luck with that.

>> No.72518891

>>72487797
Intern-kun, please put Yugo on the new poster for a guaranteed promotion, thank you

>> No.72519443

>>72504787
Solid quote

>> No.72519758

>>72515697
Ah yes, of courrse we are in shambles to discover that the reason she got tortured to stay was cuz they didn’t want to burn Obsydia part completely.
DYRBI she didn’t know about this? Good for them that the fuck up they did with them rocked the boat so much it got management to actually do their job.

Too bad it’s too little too late, the western audience is still gone and with no JP talents we will see how much they gather.

>> No.72522163

it's something

>> No.72522265

>>72522163
KEK this reminds me of when Inafune tried to defend the absolute trash that was Mighty No.9 by saying
>It's better than nothing

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>>72505191
Oh I'm screenshotting this. Just gotta patiently wait for a huge announcement from Holo... Enjoy your shitflinging while you can nijisister....

>> No.72525817

>>72522163
nijisisters really look at the shinier of two turds and eat it up

>> No.72526306

>>72487797
Pomu's gone, Maria's gen isn't even included, no one else in the branch gives a shit about actually putting a real performance on a stage, why should I care exactly?

>> No.72526417

>>72487797
Slob-sanji

>> No.72527112

>The boys and the girls will be on one ticket
Honestly this is a smart move by Niji. The boys are still selling pretty well because SEA women don't care. The girls are all scraping by with the amount of western men leaving.

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>>72522265
It wasn't Inafune, it was Sonic. Ironic, considering the blue rat's games weren't exactly great that year... or the year before... or the year before... or the year before... or the year before...

>> No.72527378

What's the point of this? Nijifags don't care about idolshit, no one involved cares about it either, yet they were constantly taking breaks all year for it

>> No.72527555

>>72505954
Nah they still have the Sing-a-poor concert after so they can't, if it's announced it'll be with the new fiscal year or at the Q4 stockholder meeting.

>> No.72531624

>>72527555
Who the fuck would pay a buttload of money for the singapore concert with this around? They know it wasn't selling so they mogged it, now they have an excuse for that.

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