/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>72491527
shes going to vshojo kek

>>72491527
Kizunai AI was dead a long time ago. Move on. It's not your fault.

F

>>72491527
With this, any chance of (the real) Kizuna returning in any capacity is dead.
Damn

best*
shitty corpos are getting exposed, indies are thriving

>>72491527
F

She was killed 2 years ago

Which voice actor is this?

>>72491761
The original

>>72491527
I will never get how someone considered so iconic to the industry got completely sidelined during the Holo/Niji rise.

Was it the result of her becoming a corporate mascot? The VA not wanting to play kizuna anymore? What the fuck happened?

>>72491527
who cares Miko is more important

>>72491527
Ah well, she had her bombastic farewell years ago so we all knew it was over.

>>72491711
Hololive mogging you subhumans on every single front from indieshit to niji to phasecunts

>>72491527
owari da (﹏)

A legend finally rests
Kizuners is still a hilarious name

>>72491841
Clone drama killed off the hype. Then Kizuna Ai Inc refused to follow the live2D trend and fell off. Then they pushed NFTs which further pushed remaining EN fans out

>>72491527
It was over long ago, and I've already paid my respects.

>>72491841
Confluence of factors, but if I had to pick top three:
1. Not following the market from skits into live streams.
2. The "multiple AIs" fiasco.
3. Not doing collabs freely after a point (apparently it became near-impossible to set up collbs with her management).

literally who

>>72491527
F

>>72491527
She was the seed that spread and grew an industry, hopefully she made enough money to live comfy for the rest of her life.

nonchan chuuba when?

>>72491841
>>72491841
IMO it feels like they kept shoving her into different sponsorship deals, and lost alot of the personal touch she had when it was just her and youtube. That and her company really dropped the ball on having her break into the streamer meta.

>>72491841
She wasn't a streamer and wasn't a person people knew or hung out with and collabed with in games or music or anything. Everything was business and she didn't have friends in the space. I don't know how else to explain her randomly doing a tour with VShojo instead of doing anything at all with JP vtubers. Looked like some cynical management move.
She was like Miku, except there was a person there, but she was kept away from everyone anyway.

>>72491668
Yeah, they're turning off life support for the long brain-dead body.
Going forward, will Kizuna Ai Inc. try to do anything new or is it just a shell collecting the licensing fees and royalties for old stuff? If nothing else Ms. Ai demonstrated that recasting a Vtuber doesn't work.

>>72491527
She was dead since 2022

>>72492248
I gotta admit, her video content was actually pretty boring, at least to me. It was nice that her vids had subtitles but I tried sitting through 30 seconds and lost interest, just subbed to her at the time and supported her cause the vtuber concept was still new to the mainstream.

>>72491527
>Kizuna Ai is kil
no

Yagoo should recruit nozomi as gen 0 as paying respects for the vtuber originator.

>>72491841
bad management during the vtuber boom

>>72491527
I still think Kizuna Ai mogs most vtubers even now and was never really surpassed, it's sad what it's come to now

>>72491663
fuck you I laughed

>>72491663
Gas yourself.

>>72491527
>We look forward to working with her as a voice provider in the future as well.
it sounds like she'll still be Ai? she's just going to purely be a VA rather than part of company operations

>>72492248
This
She never really had the close personal connection to fans that you get with streamers, just felt more like a performer.
and going off of the VA's personal interviewers, she wanted an actual career outside of kizuna too

>>72492689
she will voice NFTs

Can someone remind me of all the drama rrats? It was something about some NTR involving her and some guy that insisted in going raw. And they had a kid or something, and the NTR girl was another vtuber.

>>72491841
They treated her like fotm anime protagonist, they got the fotm anime protagonist results.

>>72491841
Three Kizuna Ai killed her and it is still the biggest fuckup in the history of Vtubing to date.

Bigger than the Niji apology video
Bigger than HoloCN and that fiasco
Bigger then Rushia getting a DM on stream

It was unfathomable how bad it was it directly killed Kizuna Ai and upd8 as a company.

>>72491527
Did anyone really expect her to return after a 3-year indefinite hiatus?
Honestly this doesn't hurt as much as I thought it would, at least she left with a bang with her last concert

>>72492248
That collab with vShitshow was awful. A genuine "fall from grace" moment.

>>72492783
Yes

>>72491527
F

i didn't have any hope left and i hope she isn't sad about that

>>72492974
What happened? Did it flop or something?

>>72492248
>>72492733
>She wasn't a streamer
>She never really had the close personal connection to fans that you get with streamers
t. newfag thread readers

https://www.youtube.com/@AIGamesdayo

>>72491527
Everything he's done since the huge sendoff as been complete shit, so this isn't really the big news you think it is.

>>72492860
qrd? i wasn't into vtubers when that happened.

>>72493101
pay no mind to the seething tribal monkey, the concert was great

>>72491527
OP she is in JP7 soon

>>72491527
SONY killed Luna
Upd8 killed AI-chan

HOW THE FUCK DO YOU DO THIS?! YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONES, YOU LITERALLY HELPED CREATE A WHOLE YOU INDUSTRY !

I WAS GOING TO WAIT FOR HER IT DIDN'T MATTER HOW LONG ! DAMMIT !

>>72492974
What would you expect from collabing with a grifter whore company like vShojo instead of more well-known JP chuubas?
>>72493101
Take a wild guess.

>>72492407
Her gaming channel was all I watched because it was the easier to understand and felt like it had the most genuine reactions. But it was also the first to fall, being seemingly not as important.

>>72491527

>>72493223
For a reason nobody can understand, the company behind kizuna ai debuted 3 new people to voice kizuna with the same models.

>>72493235
bottom feeder like you will never admit your twitch corpo being a dumpster

>>72493471
They got different models EVENTUALLY but it was too little to late, Love chan is fucked now, all those idiots that joined the Alles (s/p w/e) are fucked too nobody is going to care with AI gone, that's all they had

>>72493471
Oh I can understand the reason, greed. They wanted more people playing Ai so they could have more videos.

>>72493471
>For a reason nobody can understand
Kizuna ai the character was being linked too closely to the seiyu for kizuna ai, and the company wanted their mascot to survive the actor who portrayed it.
It didnt.

>>72493471
They wanted her to focus on sponsorships and all that dance stuff while pumping out the same amount of content, so they hired them to fill the gaps, which was astronomically retarded.

Doesn't she still sing on her PL? I lost the link.

>>72493550
holoseethe

>>72492860
This take is blisteringly stupid. A miscalculated attempt at capitalizing on Vtuber troupes while keeping their brand at the same time is not remotely as egregious as malicious character assassination and harassment campaigns. Not to mention that it isn't nearly the stupidest decision her corpo made.

>>72491527
F

I want to see her join Hololive Dev_is and beg for subscribers while having to call holos her senpais, just for the fun of it.

>>72493400
Vshojo is better than any jp companies.

>>72491527
>We look forward to working with her as a voice provider in the future as well.
Did everyone miss this part or something? It's the second last sentence.

>>72493471
worst thing is they didn't tell anybody of the changes and stay silence for months (#WhereIsRealKizunaAi)
before nozomi herself ranted on rm about how fucking terrible is upd8

>>72493471
was it becasue the og seiyuu wasn't available or something? in that case i can see them recasting just to keep the character alive.

>>72493841
Kys

>>72492824
What does that mean?

>>72491527
How much would it take to buy the IP?

>>72493575
>h-holoseeth
why do vshoujokeks always resort to this? inferiority complex?

>>72491668
>>72492343
Even knowing she was a dead body on life support, the news still hits hard. Her ending was so sad.

>>72493989
no, they wanted her to just focus on music

>>72493841
take your shitty griter trash corpo outts here

>>72492860
I don't think the 3 new kizuna's yab itself killed, more like the staw that broke the camels back in an endless string of bad business choices.
>>72493570 right here is the real reason she failed, they wanted they next micky mouse, not an actual vtuber as we know them.

>>72494159
>inferiority complex?
idk bud you're the one pissing and shidding your pants because you're upset ai didn't invite houloulive to her farewell concert sucks to suck lol

>>72493555
Not love p chan, she's my feel good vtuber. I hope she's alright.

I wonder if she could get to the top again if she debuted as a loli.

>>72494278
and your literal who corpo is relavant becasue...?

>>72493223
well first of all he's wrong, the gamebu fuckup was the biggest, and kinda sets the goundwork for why the ai fuckup made people mad. if you don't know about that one, basically a black company fired all their vtubers and replaced them with different actors (playing the same characters) after the original actors complained on their roommate accounts. gamebu was bigger than hololive at the time and basically died overnight. but that event firmly established that vtuber fans see the "soul" or voice actor as an essential part of the character, not just an actor you can replace like an anime.

so not too long after the gamebu kerfuffle when it's still fresh in everyone's mind, for some reason the kizuna ai company hired 2 more women to voice new characters. except instead of new characters they were both just ai. and they didn't really explain it. so one day everyone went to watch the new ai video and it's some other woman. people got mad and spread the word that ai got fired. years later there was still a lot of people who thought ai was not the original, even after they actually made other characters for the other two ladies.

>>72491843
who?

>>72494042
>>72494249
vshojo is literally more relevant than hololive

>>72493376
Hate to tell you this anon but it is historically very typical for trailblazers to bow out or squander their way out of an industry where innovators picking up where they leave off leave them in the dust.

too much new fags on this board holy shit

>>72494496
I'm not even mad because you've demonstrated how extraorodinarily easy it is to bait Holobronies.

Siro is the last one standing...

>>72494496
Here, this is what you want anon

>>72491841
Every single bad thing you've ever heard about any vtubers management consolidated into one.

>>72494551
Ai fans stayed on jp dude. This is a holo board.

>>72494593
There are no ai fans on /jp/.

>>72494571
They fucked her Biblically too?

>>72494278
How's your time in Matara's clique? Are you enjoying watching her go on and on about how great Kyo/Quinn is?

>>72494551
>he says while posting literally the most normalfag vtuber in the world

>>72491527
End of an era it ended ages ago but still

>>72491881
Even by the most optimistic maths, 75% of all vtuber fans don't watch Hololive.

>>72491841
Streaming became more popular than short videos.

>>72492248
>I don't know how else to explain her randomly doing a tour with VShojo instead of doing anything at all with JP vtubers
Getting together with vwhorejo was a desperate attempt to launch a singing career in the West and when that didn't work out was when we saw the hiatus and eventually to today.

>>72494456
Anime VAs have always been hard to replace because fans will be very attached to them as their characters, most of the time they'll only be replaced because of illness or scandals. That attachment becomes even stronger with vtuber fans due to the stronger parasocial nature of vtubing.

>>72494593
>stayed on /jp/
I see both her and her group mentioned in maybe one post every few months in the JPtuber generals.

>>72494624
you mean pomu? that's the one she talks about all the time

>>72494496
My burp is more relevant than your coping ass.

>>72491663
i wish. imagine the reaction

>>72494737
I wouldn't call the old vtuber videos short consedring the kind of clips that are the most popular right now.

>>72494737
Leona spotted!

>>72491527
kizuna ai had her farewell tour and that was kinda it.
Still,, sad to see how it all went downhill

>>72494737
>Sora
>Mito
>Siro
>Aoi
How many more of those bigger circle vtubers still exist in the scene?

>>72492860
The biggest to me will always be the Gamebu implosion.

>>72494789
She shills Quinn a lot too. But yeah, she does bring up NotPomu a lot.
>"I INVITED HER TO MY CLIQUE PARTY BUT SHE SAID SHE HAS HEADACHE! HOW COME SHE HAS HEADACHE EVERY TIME I INVITE HER?? NO FAIR SHE MUST HANG OUT WITH MY CLIQUE!"
I hope NotPomu keeps having these "headaches" just so she could have a reason to turn down that grifter roach.

>>72495218
so true sister i remember that clip

>>72493571
Nah, the move itself is fine. Smart, even. The retarded bit is not telling anyone that it's not a move to replace the original voice actor but to create new characters under the same brand, and that lead to everyone assuming the worst. By the time they deigned to clear things up it was too little too late, and even to this day you still have people thinking that Kizuna ai has been replaced.

>>72491663
believe it or not, she's actually on Hololive right now.

>>72491527
I'm certainly glad I watched Ai's graduation stream live after hearing this. Here's the vod for those that missed it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTa2HxIsBPM

>>72492248
Holy shit. Rent free and you'll be seething about it until you're fucking dead.

Is that why she turned on her stream the other day?

>>72495376
She's going to vshojo.

>>72495248
Who the fuck are you calling a sister, you dumb sister?

>>72491527
Vshojo debut when

>>72495448
>unironically "no u"-ing
that doesn't work here sister

>>72491527
I can't believe the pile of bones that was once kizuna ai's corpse has been declared dead

>>72495408
>>72495444
Vshoujotrannies are so fucking obnoxious. Screw that garbage corpo and everything it stands for.

>>72493471
Should have debuted one people with three different model. Once per generation.

>>72495581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moNHrJweepg

>>72495512
Go back to the docks, falseflagging sister.

>>72495512
The tranny shrieks in fear of being found out

>>72495581
This but holo.

>>72495376
Holy shit memory unlocked kek

>>72495641
I can smell the vshojocuck copium without even clicking that shit.

>>72492248
I watched this and it was actually good, but yeah she probably would've benefited more by doing concert collabs with popular JP chuubas, earlier too

>>72495665
>h-holo
So it's true. The weak does fear the strong.

>>72494737
Nekomiya was 5th place huh?

>>72493841
Roru rumao even

>>72495581
holobronies* weird autocorrect, sorry
>>72495644
>>72495649
>gossiping f*males pretend they are men
nice try. we can all smell the tuna.

Both of you fuck off back to your own generals

>>72491841
The multiple AIs killed the brand. Misinformation spread to casuals that they replaced her permanently and she's never inclined since. And then Live streaming boom happened. She ever had a chance

>>72495778
Yes the weak holobronies indeed fear the strong vshojo.

>>72495641
Don't be racists to our SEA friends even when they're being extremely obvious.

>>72491841
For me as many others it was when the multiple Ais happened, if some corpos nowaday were to do this it would burn their brands.

>>72495867
*Holopests

>>72491841
This is the same company that had Korone and Polka too, it's like they read a manual titled "things not to do as a vtuber corpo" and then did exactly the opposite of what's listed.

>>72493841
you misspelled phaseconnect

>>72496177
I think Azki herself was from same company too

>>72492407
It has been a while since I watched them, but I remember her earlier videos being better. Her later stuff lacked sovl

>>72491841
CHINESE INFLUENZA HANDS

>>72496430
No she was not.

>>72496430
Inonaka Music was only partially owned by upd8 IIRC.

>>72491527
I suck my dick if she ended up in Hololive.

>>72491841
There was a time when Nobuhime was considered a big vtuber, yet despite that upd8 mentally ruined her and bullied her, to the point where she wasn't even allowed to collab with one of her best friends.
The twin fiasco, lack of any collabs at all, the NFTs, etc, it can all be traced back to upd8.
The next time you mourn Kizuna Ai, remember she's dead because of them.

stop talking about shit you dont know anything about

The poach of a lifetime.

all good streamers end up on Holo or vshojo
Kizuna's VA isn't going to join us so who cares

>>72492783
Pmaru aka Kaguya Luna had an affair with kizuna's man

>>72496835
>Vshojo
>VA
>us
bait used to be believable

>>72491527
Welp, we'll always have iwara.

>>72491527
If she's going to Hololive...

>>72491527
she's been dead for too long just locked in her coffin, at least now she is free
2024 has been pretty good so far for vtubers

>>72496640
I don't believe you, you never ate your cum when vsj won divegrass

>>72496903
That's an interesting scenario retard, got any sources to back it up?

>>72492522
agreed she was peak, i miss her

>>72491527
rest in peace queen

>>72494722
At this point, what matters are a sustained dedicated fans. For growth they have different avenues either music/new gens/collabs/content experimentation(they can learn from indies and from them to indies). There's a lot they could still do to increase their presence especially now with numerous corpo failures.

I heard a rumor that she was joining Phase Connect or Idol Corp

Kinda disgusting this thread isn't pinned, so many of these newfags won't ever know who she is or what she meant to this industry, they'll never know her sacrifices

>>72498644
where is vtuber jesus now to save us...

>>72493841
they hated him because he spoke the truth

>ywn hear high domo bachul you chuba ever again

>>72491841
she decided to take care of her 3 kids like a decent human being. I'm sure you will never understand that but try too.

>>72498208
Go on jp newfag

>>72491841
She was the biggest vtuber in the world. But they only saw her popularity as something to use to exploit all the people that cared about her. They turned her into a mascot and she started only being around for sponsorships and collabs with large brands. She and her company didn't see much value in her streaming and so over time, it didn't feel personal anymore. It just felt like they were exploiting fans' love for her in the last few years while she never streamed or did anything that fans who actually watched her enjoyed. Her company saw her as an ad delivery vehicle, but they neglected the only thing that's important to most fans: spending time with their oshi.
Btw, I'm talking about Gura. But it also perfectly encapsulates what happened to Ai over time. Gura's done 15 streams in the past 7 months, never talks to her fans, but announced the sendai sponsorship, the sushiro collab, and now she released a $675 merch set. It's terrifying how it's all happening all over again.

>>72493841
Phase connect is better than vshojo, vshojo just takes big vtuber streamers to make themselves look good.

>>72499149
But this time the importance of having genmates that are also popular comes into play offsetting the problems kizuna faced when she was absent. Holding the fort or something

>>72493113
this isn't nozomi though, is it?

>>72499154
Does phase even let their talents own their own IP?

>>72499149
Mori is still streaming despite her busy schedule.

>>72499154
Big vtubers go to vshojo because vshojo is the best there is. They can't just magically force them to join.

>>72499111
>falls for a baseless rumor
>has no facts what so ever
>thinks /jp/ is credible
>calls someone else a newfag
lmao

>>72492522
No surprise. 3D and motion capture tech has been stagnant in Japan for so long.

>>72498994
wasn't it 2?
but raising kids as single mom sure is hard

>>72495116
Unlike many at the time who dropped like flies, they've innovated, straying away from Kizuna Ai's formula into their own unique flavor(s)

>>72493113
Black was the best. Her shredding that Flying V was sick

>>72499286
Best for what? Being a vtuber retirement home? Look at their overall focus man weigh the pros and cons

>>72499277
>Yes

>>72499447
Best vtuber company.
>retirement home
How can it be a retirement home when they are all active? Retarded holobronie.

>>72499248
Yes it is.

>>72499480
I mean it does sure feel like it, going big in other companies then after quiting go to vshojo to do their own thing like some people who do early retirement and stuff.

>>72499534
Everyone that has joined vshojo is doing better than they did before.

>>72499578
Nazuna

>>72499600
She did better there.

>>72499639
Yeah, better at failing

>>72491527
I guess there really isn't gonna be any return after her graduation, the words she said was basically giving another chance to improve yet nothing happened. I still remember pewdiepie reacting to her back in the days, with how new vtubers was I really thought it was an AI lmao.

>>72499600
She took a vtuber model for free, guess she's happy now

>>72499731
she's still going to be the VA.

>>72498644
well tbf she had an entire graduation stream 2 years ago now. Everything she's done since has been purely marketing/sponsorship stuff. almost all of it trash that's ruining her legacy
especially that garbage nft anime

>>72495163
qrd?

>>72493376
sony also kill mirai akari

>>72499478
Proof?

So this is the real end eh?
Not a glorious death, but a whimper.

>>72500178
wasnt she supposed to join vshoujo bcuz of kson? I remember anons talking about that last year

>>72500269
Anons talk about everyone joining vshojo.

>>72500229
I don't need proof, just watch the vtubers from phase connect.

>>72500313
>just watch the vtubers from phase connect.
No, I don't think I will.

>>72500269
no, she now with Sony or at least I think that brand belongs to Sony.
she now a spaghetti girl now

>>72500313
>OUR CORPO IS BETTER AND EVERY UNRELATED ASINGLE THREAD NEEDS TO KNOW IT RIGHT NOW
Wow,doing this in the kizuna gradution thread of all places?
No wonder phase fans are considered the new nijisisters of the board.

>>72500375
from what I remember reading from the kson general was that she was tired of being a corpo and that she was waiting for the contract to expire, also something about mirai being good friends with kson and she supposedly being interested but I think that shit went nowhere

>>72500469
Yeah, but in the end now she Sony exclusive.

I think she got 3D recently too

>>72500250
She did her graduation already once she saw the inevitable decline with no hope of improvement.

>>72491527
2024 is now the time of vtubing hype slowing down, with numerous gold rushers cutting their losses.

>>72491663

>>72500058
biggest yab in vtubing history, lots of shit happened but to sum it up:
>Forcing talents to work at high intensity for long periods of time. In extreme cases, they only allow them to rest for 4 hours before continuing to work after 12 hours of continuous live broadcast.
>All talent's personal social media accounts are monitored.
>It is alleged that the boss used his power to engage in various forms of sexual harassment against talents.
>Talents were treated roughly at work and were accused of using cold violence and other methods to bully them.
>There is a certain degree of labor and salary disputes with talents. Some members have already filed for labor arbitration and sought legal protection; some talents have the intention to resign but are unable to escape.
>It is understood that this bullying has been carried out for over a year.
>Replace them with new voice actors using the same models, unannounced of course

>>72500469
>I think that shit went nowhere
Just summed up Vshojo JP in a nutshell.

>>72501184
It's bigger than PhaseJP.

>>72501288
This is like bragging about having stage II cancer over stage IV.

>>72501344
Cancer would mean it's detrimental. VshojoJP is at least paying for itself and brought in Pikamee and Kson so it's nothing but a boon for the org.

>>72494737
I can see Suisei!

>>72501453
Why are you doxxing?

>>72500939
At least one of them is in a better place now

>>72501453
>vshojojp
1 girl who fucked off as soon as she could
1 girl who streams to an english audience
1 girl for who streaming isnt the priority and when she does its mostly not as a vtuber

nice jp branch faggot

nobody cares about "vshojo", it has no brand power, its a twitch circlejerk where people with no dreams or ambitions go. It's like Adam Sandlers movies, sure he and his friends get to make money, but its pretty rare that anybody has anything positive to say about it. Vshojo is just the Happy Madison Productions of vtubing.

>>72491527
>kill
*free

>>72496744
The original Ai quit right after being made to shill NFT's. Coincidence?

>>72501934
>1 girl who fucked off as soon as she could
Good. She was a detriment and mentally ill but still thanked Vshojo for letting her keep the IP and told people to continue enjoy vshojo.
>1 girl who streams to an english audience
She still has a pretty big JP audience, in her JP only collabs you can see it. Also that's not inherently a downside anyway. She can only work for Vshojo because VshojoJP exists.
>1 girl for who streaming isnt the priority and when she does its mostly not as a vtuber
She has more streams as a vtuber and she does stream quite a lot.

>nobody cares about "vshojo", it has no brand power
Everyone who left and continued as indie declined significantly and besides the former HoloJP member and Kuro everyone who joined and streamed with at least some consistency inclined significantly so it definitely has brand power, just not as much as Hololive.
>its a twitch circlejerk
Kson and Kuro stream on youtube, melody streams on CB, retard.

Why did people assume she was getting replaced anyway?
What a dumb situation all around

>>72495641
Why are VShojofags so racist? I thought Phase had the /pol/tard audience.

>>72492002
precisely this. their biggest and most retarded mistake was trying to replace the "voice" of kizuna ai, thinking no one would care.

>>72499376
who's the father?

>>72491841
She really wasn't all that.

>>72499149
Fall into despair kek

>>72499277
>own their own IP
It's always back to this, isn't it?
While I agree it's a good perk that only VShojo has, this is only an advantage to the vtuber, it does nothing to me as a viewer or the quality of the content they create.
It reminds me of the Steam vs EGS debacle, where some people were shilling the Epic store because it gave a bigger cut to devs, but everything else was lackluster.

>>72498994
Shinzo Abe would be proud

>>72493376
Sony and Upd8 killed so many vtubers man.
In fact, you can throw in Unlimited as well I guess. I really hope they don't fuck up VSPO and the others, they seem to have learned at least and look like they are taking aim to be the next next vtuber company given all the huge investments they are putting in to XR and vtubing in general. Look at v4mirai, fuckers got damn good 3D models only mere months in, whole of VSPO got 3D models, can't fault them for that.

>>72491527
Obligatory post
https://youtu.be/elbcRw5B0qA
Legendary vtuber
Thanks for everything

>>72502507
the purple dude from strawberry prince

>>72502856
It's a promise to you that your oshi can continue as she wants and owns what she works for so either you don't value your oshi or you are just willfully ignorant how trapping it can be when some corpo holds the IP hostage.

>it does nothing to me as a viewer or the quality of the content they create.
Vshojo produces good content for their size and the small cut they take, especially compared to indies so the system works.

>>72494737
Its quite bittersweet seeing this image now.
Seeing some older ones that are now gone like UNI and apex goblin, 2 designs I loved. At least they are happier where they are now.
I was worried Ichigo was going to quit that time she was mad sad a while back but she seemed to get herself out of it and Alice helped her get back to streaming again. Her new outfit just there is the cutest fucking thing ever

>>72495116
quite a lot of them
>Hinata is still around
>Yuni is still around
>Himehina are still around
>OmeSis are still around
>Rin and Deron are still around
>Azulim won her model from her black corpo in court and pops back up every now and then
>Luna is back to her PL whose name escapes me right now
>Nobuhime reincarnated in Hololive
>Moe reincarnated in Hololive
>Akari reincarnated under Sony Music

>>72502856
it's an advantage to the viewer because i know that my oshi won't be suspended or killed by some retarded jap suit again

>>72491527
>not even a sticky for THE Vtuber on the vtuber board
what a gay ass website

>Thread about the retirement of the most iconic vtuber in history
>Full of phase and vsj shit flinging
Depressing but not unexpected

>>72491527
So who's left from her era? Dennou Shoujo Siro?

>>72492000
>Live2D
non-factor

>>72491841
As much as I hate it, Vtubing is dominated by the streamer meta

>>72503264
Does it matter, if your oshi reincarnates, you can continue to watch them.

>>72503144
It might be fine if we're talking about big companies who have the money to spare, but if everyone company starting handing out the IPs to the person who passed the interview, there wouldn't be anything to stop someone from getting their free model then immediately ditching the company.
Roommates are an open secret anyway, why not just stop being so anal about muh NDAs and muh doxxing and just let people say who they are if they want to. Like with Nozomi.

Where the fuck did she go again?
I remember her disappearance but never did find out where she went.

>>72503233
>Lists ones who aren't around anymore

>>72503377
If you ask me corpos who need some reassurance in the initial investment should just give the talent the IP at some point.
Keeping it indefinitely is the problem.
>Roommates are an open secret anyway
Maybe if you are /here/ or very invested but most normies don't really research that stuff.
Even then it's still expensive and risky to change your IP and there's no guarantee it will land either.

>>72503233
Yuni is already dead. their company did some black shit that caused all talents to leave.

>>72503327
Siro, and I think Nojaloli. he's doing some virtual enjo kosai last time i heard about him.

>>72502393
Because she mostly disappeared while her channels were being run by two other girls using her model, whose voices some viewers had difficulty telling apart from hers. This lasted about half a year. From what I remember, at some point during this she was seen doomposting on twitter while some bigshot at the company tweeted complaints about how young people these days are too demanding and lack respect for authority or something.
She eventually returned and the other two girls were then given visually distinct models and later their own channel, but at that point the damage was already done and it was permanent.

>>72503560
If they are gonna hand over the IP, there should probably be a time limit on it at least to prevent people jumping ship immediately. I dunno how long is "good" though.
In any case, I feel like if a vtuber is graduating, they should at least be allowed to say "Hey this is my personal twitter, you can follow me here if you liked my streams". It's not like they lose anything. I don't get all the secrecy, they're not building a nuke.

>>72493841
>Vshojo is better than any jp companies.
Then why did they manage to lose their only JP chuuba?

>>72503730
IIRC there are three Ai clones, one eventually became Love-chan, other Ai-pii (pbuh), and the third one retired to /become/ a holomem.

>>72503454
But they are? Anon asked for ones who "still exist in the scene", so I'm counting reincarnations too

>>72503630
That's Akatsuki Uni. Yuni one of the circles top right of Kizuna. https://www.youtube.com/@YuNivirtualsinger

>>72491841
Not entertaining or particularly talented. She was big on novelty but Holo and Niji showed that what matters is personality. She didn't even do livestreaming content for a time, just pre-produced stuff which is fine if it's interesting but it wasn't. It's like with Sora who's lucky she can coattail ride the actual talent that built Hololive while Japanese seniority autism means everyone has to pretend that she has value.

Kizuna AI is just Sora without the luck of being in the right place.

>>72503901
Just two, Love-chan and Ai-pii. Technically there was also a Chinese Kizuna AI, but that one had her own separate channel from the start and wasn't really relevant to the whole drama

>>72503817
the corpos want total control over the IP and linking it to a living personality dilutes it. that's why you will never see Cover and Anycolor do that ever.

>>72503817
I agree, imo 2-3 years would be fair but why would these companies be fair when they can just trap their talents and give themselves power?

when Cover is done using gawr gura she will be next =(

>>72503817
They can do that on Twitter or something, not on stream.
What you proposed would be like an actor recommending other movies they starred in at the end of a film, it breaks the illusion.

You guys can't read. She'll still be the voice 'if' Ai wakes up. Nonchan still isn't up for being in the public eye much right now so she doesn't know when Ai will wake up. She's been doing member streams rarely and that's it.
Still I think japanese fans also didn't read it right since she had to tweet she's still the voice for them too. She's only stepping down as advisor so she won't be involved in the new girls or lovechan's management

>>72491527.

Not my problem.

>>72504458
Anon, you are talking with VShojofags, who think that being a vtuber is just a streamer with an anime avatar (and even that is optional), they don't care about kayfabe or anything that the community is built around.

>>72494737

>>72504026
She had quite a bit more personality than Sora does and I'm saying that as someone who likes Sora. Being late to streaming and the multiple VA controversy are what ruined her, she herself wasn't the problem. I still miss her sometimes.

>>72504458
I prefer to think of it as a troupe of actors taking a bow at the end of a play. We're all adults here, we can acknowledge the hard work put into the "illusion" that was maintained throughout their tenure and also give them a moment to sign off without regrets.

>>72491841
I didn't understand it either she was like the first vtuber I watched. Her small skits were so funny and entertaining. Then she like basically completely disappeared from my feed entirely. Once Hololive and other vtubers took off she got so sidelined. I wish her VA success in the future where ever she lands at least

>>72501934
>Happy Madison Productions
Hey now, those Sandler films are a guilty pleasure for me and never been disappointed with them. What are you trying to insinuate about them?

>>72504522
Nobody believes that Ai will ever come back.

>>72499277
>>72499478
This is a lie BTW, seen most clearly in the yuri fiasco.
When she left the company she no longer owned her character and had to reinvent herself as Nanobites: Phase Connect took her IP through contract and owns all its talents characters so they can't leave and keep streaming under their old name.

>>72502380
>Good. She was a detriment and mentally ill
The fucking irony of you saying this when you shit on le holobronies for disliking her while she was in vshojo.

>>72491841
You don't understand how the avant-garde gets ignored by the unwashed masses until it is commodified and reduced to a clean package for them to consume?

>>72494737
This. When the market realized streaming is more profitable it changed overnight.

>>72491527
Remember: there's still 3/4 of the year left.

>>72504790
Depends on the complains about her.
Her being menhera was a well know fact even her most fervent fans admitted so I don't see what's the irony in saying that.

>>72504880
>Depends on the complains about her.
No it fucking doesn't. Your exact criticism of le holobronies was that they should not be happy about her being gone and now you're doing the exact thing you claimed was bad.

Yagoo-san please save my pink wife.

>>72504868.

Still, I place my bets, it's not your year and perhaps onwards.

>>72503920
Vtuber is the character and not the person behind it. The characters are dead. They don't exist anymore.

>>72504668
Adults still prefer to not have their suspension of disbelief strained in entertainment, but I see your point.

>>72504993
>Vtuber is the character and not the person behind it
Then there shouldn't be a problem replacing the person behind it

>>72504026
Why is this obvious newfag talk like he know shit, Kizuna Ai downfall is only because of her clone yab saga that she never actually recovered from that, she still way ahead of everyone even when both Holo and Niji are already around for year+

>>72505016
[screams in Unlimited]

>>72504931
I always said that Hololive was justified in the termination, only keyfags would have disagreed on that.
And I didn't say people shouldn't or can't enjoy her outside of vshojo, just that she was a detriment for vshojo because she isolated herself and caused various problems while she was there.

>>72491527
Nah, they're finally burying the corpse. Kizuna got carried by the novelty aspect and stopped being at the top of the game in 2018, and it's only gotten worse since then.
She will be remembered as a cautionary tale about what corpos can't do to their talents without hurting themselves.

>>72503446
Gone, reduce to atoms

>>72494737
A shame how Kaguya had to end

>>72505106
>I always said that Hololive was justified in the termination
Sure you did

>>72505001
Yeah I do get your point too. Obviously if they're playing a character, you wouldn't want them to wink into the camera. Also some people I think might be afraid of how much is a character and how much is the real person, and the blurred line between those two things with vtubers, and don't wanna feel like they got to know someone "faking it". There's things like that to consider.

Thanks to Kizuna, most companies don't dare try to replace talent behind characters. Those that do a met with swift shunning by fans who remember what happened to Kizuna.

>>72505154
Yeah, I did.

>>72505124
Even if you didn't like her videos and streams, her concerts completely mogged anything Holo, Niji or anyone else were able to put together all the way up to the end in 2022

I know this board wouldn't be as bad as it is if you guys could read, but they outright stated that she's still voicing AI-chan.

>>72506672

>>72505016
They're virtual youtubers, not virtual skinwalkers.

>>72505016
Vtuber = character + person
If person stop being a Vtuber and reincarnate with a different character the first character is still dead.
If a Vtuber character gets their VA replaced then they are not the same Vtuber.
It's like having a Prius with the engine of a Ferrari or a Ferrari with the engine of a Prius: you don't really have a Ferrari in either case.

hololive wins again by doing nothing.
rest in piss you salty bitch.
forever sub 3m
Kizuna Ai will forever be remembered as the biggest failure to adapt to a changing industry.
Truly the Atari of vtubing.
P
P
S

>>72492860
Man, imagine if they had simply made them new characters, how different things would have played out.

You know, this and the clone drama make me very glad I never did get into Kizuna Ai. Obviously when her videos first started my weeaboo subscribed immediately, but I noticed pretty quickly I never bothered to watch much of her content. Hell I'm not sure I ever watched any of her videos in its entirety and the most I engaged with her was the Azur Lane collab. Vtubers are something I've only been interested in seriously very recently.

Rest in piss, forever miss. And may flights of supas sing to thy rest.

>>72505290
No that cause of Gamebu.
Kizuna happened after gamebu

>>72508773.

>Hoe-Low-Live.
>Niggersanji.
>V-Showjew.
>/jidf/
>tsunderia
>V-Shroom.

Trash and dead v-tuber agencies.

>in before v-tuber agencies dying out is not my problem.

Death to leftist jew /vt/!

>>72506672
DYRB that there will continue to be new projects with Kizuna?
She hasn't released shit in 2 years, do you really think that after this news there will be new content of her again?

>>72491527
Damn I really held out hope she would return one day. Farewell Oyabun.

>>72508978
No need to imagine, I mean that's exactly how every other company expanded, hololive found success with Sora and scouted new talents to take advantage of the momentum, niji used the shotgun approach in debuting talents. Both went on to become the dominant forces in the industry, nothing says the AI company couldn't have done the same by leveraging Kizuna's popularity by debuting new gens or even solo talents and we would have a 3 way competition instead of just 2.
The only positive thing to come out of the cloning fiasco is that it taught the industry that fan wouldn't tolerate scummy shit like replacing the talents.
Although not all of them learned that lesson, I guess.

>>72498994
You do realize that mothers go to work like normal human beings, right? And when they can work from home it is the best scenario. Your explanation is childish.

>>72491841
She was the first, doesn't mean she was the most talented.
Japanese women saying FAQ and the concept of VTuber in general was a novelty at the time and an initial hook to GET eyes on you. What KEEPS your audience hooked is consistent entertainment. Ai HAD this for a while, with community subtitles serving as a vehicle to bring her content worldwide - which was why she shined during that time period.
Once those died though, she stopped appearing in any foreign feeds, and became JP only. Her company only did English translations, and that too after a LONG gap without any community subs, which caused her to just drop off the face of the algorithm.

Her company actually identified the problem with expansion - that of one person not being enough of a brand (or being able to do enough stuff) to keep the brand of Ai afloat.
Hence the multiple Ais. Unfortunately for her, it PERFECTLY coincided with the Gamebu chuuba VA replacement drama. Two replacement attempts (one real, one perceived) from two different companies happening so close to each other just added fuel to the rumor mill.

This was one major instance where fucking rumors and rumor mongering caused actual reputational damage to a company because of their silence and lack of transparency.
Didn't help that somewhere in between, her VA also started vagueposting and deleting some tweets, fueling even more rumors.
Ai clarified that she was not being replaced, but it came like 2 years after the whole yab started (in 2021). By then the damage had already been done.

Once Mito, Nijisanji and later Hololive entered the fray, Ai was simply left behind.
Pekora was better at banter and gaming, Marine was better at zatsudan, Suisei was better at music, and Coco went far beyond what Ai could with her humor and memes in attracting a western audience. And of course, HoloEN debuted and took over western weeb internet for some time.
Unlike some of the other retards here said, Ai DID pivot into Livestreaming later on in her career. The fact that no one even knows about those streams should make it obvious enough that she just wasn't that good at it, at least compared to her competition.

Hololive and Nijisanji perfected the idea behind "multiple Ais". That is, multiple talents with their own personalities and charm, all interacting under a single unified umbrella.
The Kizuna Ai company made a mistake in branding everything under "Kizuna Ai" and being super lore-heavy on her pre-recorded streams (even to the point that some western audiences wondered if she was an ACTUAL AI at the time). It prevented them from adding more characters into the environment that weren't "Kizuna Ai related", and when they DID try, their timing was extremely terrible.
It was a mistake they didn't even know they made until it was too late, but then they were literally the pioneers of the industry. Mistakes were inevitable.
The NFT thing and the rest of her career have many "controversies" and all, but by that time almost all her foreign audience was dead in the water anyway, so I don't think it mattered.

At the end of the day it's hard to say whether anyone was to blame. Kizuna Ai's mistakes became a guideline for the corpos that came after her. Two of them (now increasingly more) simply perfected the "ensemble cast" formula with such a multitalented cast doing both regular 2D and 3D content, that Ai and her clones just couldn't keep up.

I respect the oyabun though.
She walked through a thorny path so my oshis and several others could run.
Hope she enjoys the retired life.

>>72505035
People forget very fast if you correct the mistakes, move forward and give good content.

>>72501934
people love adam sandler

>>72491527
Kizuna AI died a long time ago when they replaced her VA and used her to sell NFT's
The fuck is this statement for now?

>>72491527
What did she mean by this?.
https://twitter.com/kasuga_nozomi/status/1773601005055115339

>>72513023
That even she is not sure if Kizuna will ever come back, most likely not.

I don't think that people are reading this properly. She seems to have resigned from the advisory position. She will still voice-act Kizuna. Thou, I highly doubt Kizuna will ever return. She basically graduated in 2022. Her going in Hiastus, was just a figure of speech, to not fully kill the project.

>>72494169
didnt she graduate with a bang ?

>>72491841
Pmaru cucking her kind of ruined her drive

>>72515361
Yes and 3 months later they tried to shill NFT's with her