/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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>>72243601
[Spoiler]She can win deez nutz![/spoiler]

Sweaty paizuri sex with Elira-oneechan

Win what? The Investor Bukkake Championships? Gold medal in the Anal Gape Olympics? If so definitely possible.

>>72243601
she's with Kiara and fuwamoco, she's been winning.

>>72243601
Yeah Mikeneko is still streaming.
One yab is nothing compared to that.

>>72243752
Wasn't that Pomu? Do we even know if Elira's alive? That voice tweet doesn't mean anything. I want a paper with the date on it. It doesn't even have to cost 4450 USD.

>>72243601
Big sis never looses!!!

>>72243601
>Is in Japan with Enna, Luca and Millie, coincidentally in the same place and at the same time as Kiara, Pomu and Fuwamoco
No matter how much /vt/ tries to cancel her out of their pathetic, braindead hatred, she's winning.

>>72243601
Define "win"

>>72243824
...Anon it's been two months since she streamed. She missed several holidays and her branch has lost around half of its entire viewership and STILL is losing subs to this day. She's been set back over a year in subs. Who knows what her ccv or superchats will look like if or when she returns.
Is she winning?

>>72243601
>52 days since last stream

Evil Women enjoyers tap in

>>72243897
It's been two months since Gura streamed, yet I don't see people develop such a hateboner for her over a literal rrat.

>>72243601
Only unironic chance left for her is if she goes Noor path and becomes actual behind the scenes manager. Her being a retard not knowing about the job won't be much of a problem (again - see Noor). Of course that option is on table only if Niji higher ups know and approve all her bullshit or it was all made up

>>72243990
Gura's channel doesn't have a video trying to start a hate mob against a suicide victim who hasn't retaliated before or after its release.

>>72243990
Because Gura isn't a backstabbing two-faced cunt.

>>72244074
>a video trying to start a hate mob against a suicide victim who hasn't retaliated before or after its release.
neither does Elira.
>>72244078
lol
lmao even

>>72243990

>>72243990
>in despair, he deflects to gura, not realising the 2 are wholly non-comparable
retard-kun

>>72244116
Cope
>Verification not required

>>72244116
>neither does Elira.
Don't tell me. Tell all the people who stopped watching, subscribing, and donating to Nijisanji that. Because you're clearly not being very convincing.

>>72243990
>whatabout...
Lol.

>>72244221
All the people who unsubbed were dead subs who didn't watch her content in the first place and believed Selen's story, even though she provided no proof whatsoever. Elira tried to defend herself, but the way she did it was quite unfortunate.

>>72243990
>>72244116
lmfao, nijiniggers deserve all the bad shit coming their ways

>>72244348
dead... subs?
Anon, Rosemi just had the worst corporate 3D debut in history, Enna's birthday and concert streams got less than half its viewership from last year. A single one of doki's streams last week outperformed every single NijiEn that streamed that day and TRIPLED that number. Most of the organs have been crippled in terms of superchats and ccv.
Those were absolutely not dead subs. Dead subs do not manually hit unsubscribe. That takes actual physical action.

>>72244348
This is either a troll post or some major copium

>>72244574
>Rosemi just had the worst corporate 3D debut in history,
It was a tactical feint. Two more weeks. Trust the plan.

>>72244116
Sisters aren't even trying to refute anything anymore. They just say "nuh-huh" and call it a day.

>>72243601
A more serious answer.
It's too late for any Niji to "win" from this situation. People have already moved on to other chuubas and having them reengage with the roommates is going to be a challenge. That being said, all Elira has to do is:
>Leave Nijisanji
>Apologize for the black stream
>Throw the company under the bus
>From now on dodge any drama like Rosemi does
And she can restart an indie career - although as I've said people have already disengaged to a point, so a "grand return to PL" for anyone is out of the question. It's now a game of whatever or not going indie is the better long-term strategy. Doki isn't going to start a campaign against her, so as long as she does it in a way that doesn't get Anycolor's lawyers on her ass, she'll be fine. People want Nijisanji to be the big bad guy anyway.
But it might be a moot point anyway, because we don't know if Elira wants to leave Nijisanji in the first place.

>>72244739
Elira *is* Nijisanji, she isn't going anywhere.

>>72244348
Yeah, dead subs would totally know what's happening and go back just to unsub anon.
Incredible brain power.

>>72244817
I guess she better get used to streaming on b2. AKA the Vox strat.

>>72243601
is she even alive? When Kiara met with Pomu and the snakes, it was just Millie and Enna.

unironically #WhereIsElira and no amount of prerecorded shit matters

>>72244739
They would never apologize for the black stream, it's still up even now.

>>72243990
Honestly why is everytime you people take a jab it's always *insert gura hasn't streamed in X hours/days, remind you gura is much more successful than that skank called elira pendora

>>72245583
>Honestly why is everytime you people take a jab it's always *insert gura hasn't streamed in X hours/days
Because it's free (You)s, that's why they do it.

>>72244348
> Me who bought and membership her for over a year and half
> Me a dead sub

Sure sister sure keep that shitty narrative alright

>>72243601

>>72243601
She will only be forgiven after she does a naked dogeza and after that she fucks and gets semen pumped by every selen subscriber one at a time.

win what? best absent award?
where are the streams, how can a so call streamer survive without doing her job. even if elira is trying to avoid the public eye it reeks of some guilt by having zero communications.

Also what about her fans why do they deserve to be in a spot without knowing what is going on for months now. come on this whole tactic of "i'll feel it out and maybe things will calm by themselves" won't work, unless elira wants to wait for 4-6 months.

>>72243601
No

>>72245583
it's funny how lazy she is but still has rabid defenders due to her brand

>>72244739
At this point I would respect Elira even less if she tried to leave and apologize for the black stream.
If she actually felt bad about doing it, the time to take a stand was before it was broadcast. She made her choice, the damage is done, and backtracking now just makes her look like a coward trying to play both sides.

>>72243601
She can create a crutch and keep limping, but her progress and reputation is permanently scarred. Again, if they had kept the termination letter short, and not done the black screen, it would have worked out much better. On a small scene like Vtubing, it was a crippling move to pull something like that.

>leave nijisanji
>say she apologised for black stream to aggrieved party(no names)
>say she dunno why was her name in the document and she didn't actually get to view it.
>imply she'll get sued if she went into too much detail
>ban anyone who brings it up again.

She will most likely be stuck in a 2-3 view hell for months but will recover to a stable 4 view base. Also her family is rich so money won't be an issue during these months. Saviourfags are aplenty and if her content is good some people will eventually come around.

>>72250336
>if her content is good
Yeah, about that...

>>72243990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o65VwnQvWW4
at the end of the day, she's only got rrats, which are quickly reported by her fanbase and deleted. Elira's channel still has this video up. Trying to spin this in any positive way is wrong.

>>72250336
>If her content is good
KEK

>>72243990
They hated because he told them the truth. The people hating on my homie are a bunch of chimbuds who can't take that someone dared to critize her.

He's right. If Gura were at a real job, she would have been fired a long time ago.

>>72250703
Cope and Seethe, Nijinigger

>>72250453
>>72250606

Just needs to be good enough for 1-2k consistent ccv. She's is rich so no money problems ever. And an audience of that size will fulfill her enough for thr sort of content she does, comfy JRPG streams. Regardless of whether she leaves niji or not, the next few months are gonna be very bad for her.

>>72250878
Even if her content was passable, a viewer has so many other choices now for that type of chuuba and likely wouldn't want to be seen supporting Elira. JRPG streams are only bearable if you actually enjoy the company of the streamer, which if you are constantly questioning her integrity, it's not gonna happen.

>>72244739
Isn't Elira's rm also a pariah in the indie scene?

>>72251016
Hence my greentext and I did say even after that she will be stuck in 2-3 territory for months if not a year. She is not a particularly ambitious person like Doki or a numberfag so it's not all bad.

>>72251028
I'm pretty sure if she manages to throw Niji under the bus people would consider it enough for an excuse to start interacting with her again. If she even wants to leave Niji.. Niji bad is the hip opinion of the day (and probably the rest of the year).
>>72250878
Anon, don't take those comments seriously. NijiEN has a boatload of people that stream to less than 1k people, some even less than 500. Elira wouldn't be streaming to 2k+ if she sucked.

>>72247803
Roa survives and so will Elira.

>>72251493
>Elira wouldn't be streaming to 2k+ if she sucked.
The thing is, most of Elira's usual viewers were loyal lazulight fans who just wanted to have a comfy time watching someone spamming JRPGs. And the rest were mainly pomudachis who needed someone to watch when Pomu wasn't streaming.
The current situation is
>Pomu is gone
>Lazulight is broken
>NijiEN reputation is trash
>Elira herself harassed live a victim of bullying who tried to kill herself two times
I'm sure she will still get a few akas every stream, but most of her fanbase is just gone.

>>72250703
Yet this isn't a normal job this is an entertainment even if gura's not streaming she's generating income in the company, just look at financials of cover streaming is not only their main source of income nowadays there's also merchandising which gura's very big at, the aquarium collab and sushiro collab are record breaking and most likely generated big income for cover

>>72252576
Which is why everyone mentions her going indie and throwing Nijisanji under the bus. She's lost some people permanently, but there are also those who are looking for an excuse to support her and even some who now feel burned, but might decide to give her a second try in a few months (if she apologizes).
Also that was her western audience, she also has a loyal SEA layer as well, which might be the impetus for her to stick to Niji.

>>72243601
she already has. She still gets thousands of likes on every post, she still shows up in other's events, in company events, she still tweets. Eventually the fagoon anti-squad will get bored of the silence and move on, and she'll be back streaming happily like always, and I'm going to throw so much money at her when she does.

>>72244116
factually wrong. a video defending themselves from baseless accusations of a deranged fucking schizo, who has tacitly approved of her retard fanbase endlessly bullying and hating everyone in niji FAR worse than anything fatass bird ever received herself. There was nothing wrong with that. Faking suicides for grifting cash shouldn't ever be rewarded.

>>72243601
well joke aside,if i'm being serious elira must suck riku dick as much as she can because outside of niji,elira vox and the bully clique is over

>>72243601
Just post the logs if she's so innocent

>>72244574
lmao, since when does 3D shit even matter anymore? it's old news. a random Pekora stream gets more views than holoEN 3D stuff, big deal. It's simply not a draw anymore like it used to be, the market is oversaturated now. Petra and Rosemi's numbers were fine, getting 5 digits when you're supposed to be "dead" is a pretty damn good showing.

>>72253163
I wonder what it's like to live in the reality you spin for yourself.

>>72253220
post what logs? why doesn't Selen post the logs of "muh bullying"? Oh right, because it was normal workplace banter her mentally disturbed mind can't handle, and the public would butcher her if they found out what a nothigburger this whole thing was.

>>72253059
>Vtweeter
grim

>>72253275
how is any of what I said wrong? its no less likely than doki's version, there is zero proof either way. Just how you interpret events.

>>72253352
>because it was normal workplace banter her mentally disturbed mind can't handle
Proof?

>>72253395
Was there or was there not a breach of NDA? Answer, nijisister.

>>72253229
>Petra and Rosemi's numbers were fine, getting 5 digits when you're supposed to be "dead" is a pretty damn good showing.
Jesus fucking christ, this cope is too much even for this place.

>>72253365
Gone back to what she was best at!

>>72253952
lmao

>>72253229
An EN 3D debut and most of their birthday streams all got more than an average Pekora stream. This is not hard to verify on vrabi. Literally doesn't matter either because the demographics are completely separate from the Japanese and English speaking audiences.
It doesn't change the fact that a 14K 3D debut is what you'd expect to see from a small-medium English corpo.
The best example of a "medium" English corpo would be Phase and I'm pretty sure Pippa will do better when she does a 3D debut.

>>72253395
Most of what you said is objectively wrong, the rest is an insane reach of what we can't know.
It doesn't even matter because regardless of how BPD mentally unstable menhera buzzword buzzword she is, Nijisanji posting the hit list graduation announcement, Nijisanji was the first to mention bullying and harassment, and Nijisanji via Elira were the ones who outted specific livers names in relation to said bullying and harassment.
Keeping spamming /vt/ though sister, I'm sure it's going to work eventually!

>>72253163
Go back to your doxxsite sis

>>72243601
what is there to win for her? she will be supported by like 50-100 pll but she will always be recognized as a manipulator, even if she is or not, I'm trying to think of characters like this who were clean after but they simply do not exist

Nijisanji and the livers are the ones with access to the slack and all the private discord servers. If they wanted, they could easily, EASILY, prove that there wasn't any kind of bullying or harassment. If they are not doing it, it's simply because they can't prove it. We are talking about the company that thought they had a WIN when they showed live how Selen's manager ignored her for 36 hours, just to make up in the spot a new rule about having to get perms from ex-livers. Imagine all the shit that they are hiding.
>but then why is Doki not showing proof????
Because her lawyers are not idiots.

Let's a work under the assumption that Selen actually did do everything wrong and Elira-NijiEN was only speaking the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Was the black screen vid a good idea?

>>72255303
>Was the black screen vid a good idea?
No

>>72255417
Keep in mind in this scenario Selen is manipulative, litigious and is trying to drag everyone in a legal debacle thus doxing them.

>>72250453
Her ASMR is pretty decent.

>>72255523
Still no.

>>72255523
Even then it's still a no. The black screen video in the public eyes was the equivalent of getting Selen's corpse and nailing it to a cross. It was fucking stupid.

>>72255303
>>72255523
lol what are you talking about
There's a thing called lawyers. You use them for situations like that.

>>72255832
Well Nijisanji's most notable use of their lawyers was Roa pursuing a defamation case... which they lost and Roa still can't stream likely because of their policy to not stream while legal action is still underway.

Sorry, Elira is quite busy lately giving blowjobs to the investors

>>72255952
Or them trying to sue Narukami who won the case despite his main argument being thrown out of court.

>>72254486
I always wondered what is that doxxsite that everyone talk about.
But im not a doxxfag, so i dont really care

>>72253059
Please
Her name is still in that black stream she might be able to stream again but she can't have the same numbers as before, like most people would already associate her with that black stream since that's her biggest livestream CCV video lol

>>72253163
Very laughable narrative sister
Too bad public opinion doesn't support that

>>72253229
Anon 3D debut is the biggest thing for a chuuba since hey they can move in 3D and go have fun not being stuck in a moving png

There's a reason why for every 3D debut the other company doesn't let anyone overlap that, because it's just that important, pls stop coping like that it.makes me sad for you sisters

>>72255832
When narukami a dramafag actually wins over you in your own homecourt then there's something wrong with their "lawyers"

Irregardless, on a pr perspective the black stream video is really really bad move especially following that termination notice it fucking looks grim on a western company standpoint lol

>>72256472
Didn't Niji let some fag stream during Rosemi's 3D?

>>72257040
Yeah Uki streamed through the whole thing.

>>72257040
Uki, but I seriously doubt it made a difference.

>>72257131
I mean it kind of just feels like a cunt move especially when you're the only doing it.

>>72257206
That's for sure.

>>72255609
Mama

>>72243601
I think a better question is what more does she have to lose?
>Rep is in the toilet
>Her branch is bleeding to death
>Almost all of her branchmates can't keep their mouths shut during the worst time in the company's life
>A year's worth of subs unsubbed
>Stuck in Japan, likely forced to talk with NijiJP's legal team over the NDAs before she can leave
>Channel is forever tainted by having the Black Screen video on it, most likely won't be removed because higher ups won't allow her to remove it
>Her long absence has caused her to miss out on almost 2 months worth of channel growth and revenue
>If she did come back she'll have all eyes on her, waiting for a proper response to the Selen drama
>Chances of coming back as an idie is sabotaged out of the gate, most indies wouldn't want to associate with her by collabing
>The majority of her viewers outside of die hards and saviourfags have left her, she'll likely be stuck as a 1 Finana for a long time

>>72257040
More proof that she's next up on the chopping block. Dissenters will be publicly humiliated.

>>72257040
Yeah, she could've probably gained the 52 viewers needed to hit 15k from the 2 finanas watching uki that time lol

>>72257696
>Channel is forever tainted by having the Black Screen video on it, most likely won't be removed because higher ups won't allow her to remove it
Baffles me that that abomination is still up.
>but the Streisand Effect
The Streisand Effect is about small things blowing up in the public sphere, that stream is already the most significant 2024 event in vtubing. Removing it will generate buzz for 3-4 days and after that Elira can stream on her channel without that black mark on it.

>>72258295
>Baffles me that that abomination is still up.
It's likely still up since this whole fiasco is still relevantly recent, so deleting it while Niji still in the mits of dealing with the financial and PR fallout would make them look more incriminating. Plus it's the only official response from Nijisanji HQ regarding Selen besides Riku death staring into the camera. They probably don't want to make a third statement given how they botched the first two, but they also don't want to take down they ones they already made as they would be left defenceless.
That or their just retarded and think people will buy it or forget about it

>>72259069
Removing the video after this long wouldn't only be seen as disingenuous, it'd also emasculate Riku in front of his billionaire friends.
In asian culture, the company comes before the individual, and it's very common to choose an employee as the fall guy during a scandal who to publicly name and shame to wash themselves of any wrongdoing. The West still works like that in politics mostly, but it's a dying strategy. My rrat is that Elira will settle with Kurosanji behind the scenes, agree to take the fall and graduate.

>>72257206
>obnoxious faggot is a cunt
shocking

>>72256038
Are you sure this will raise share prices?

>>72260971
>My rrat is that Elira will settle with Kurosanji behind the scenes, agree to take the fall and graduate.
Problem is how does she do that without destroying her indie career? Unless either she's planning on moving away from streaming or Niji is fine with letting her go Scorched Earth after she's out.

>>72253059
>throw so much money at her when she does
[citation needed]

>>72253059
The only events she's shown up in were prerecorded months before the Black Stream.

>>72255303
No. If they hadn't done the black screen vid, Riku's video that came out like an hour later probably would have put the whole thing to rest.

>>72261253
I mean she can try restarting it after taking a sabbatical (paid for by Kuro) of maybe a year. Hell, part of a separation deal could be that Kuro pays for her new model in exchange for a permanent NDA.
If that'd really work, though, I don't know. Kuro has lost the PR war, and she's basically seen as the emperor's right hand by much of the public.

If she graduates and tries to come back without talking about the issue, she'll languish and die eventually. If she talks about it without criticizing Kuro, people will assume that she's either lying or NDA gagged, which in turn makes her appear like a corporate bootlicker. The only way she could possibly salvage her reputation long term is to get away from Kuro, take a break and come back like Sayu did, and only if she herself had been exploited by the company.

>>72263072
And that's only if she actually has some valid excuses for what she had presumably done, aka she got overwhelmed with the responsibilities, let frustration get the better of her, etc.

>>72263072
Wasn't Sayu away for 2 months? I'm pretty sure she streamed with png, her old model and a chibi model.
Termination Announcement: March 10, 2023
Oldest Stream on Sayu Sincronisity Ch. VTuber 真黒 is from: May 8, 2023

>>72263128
The saddest thing is, I can actually see a narrative where she just desperately tried to take control of the branch due to a lack of support and got overwhelmed by the swirling negative feelings that escalated over time due to a lack of direction and clear management favoritism. The mere fact that there was even a secret, unmoderated discord group without all of the members or staff is a gigantic red flag.
When it was just 6-10 people, she was fine to coordinate everyone. But as the numbers grew closer to 20, 30, she couldn't handle everything herself and started reforming a clique to help out with shit. Suddenly mob rule was all that mattered and decisions were being made at the expense of the lesser members since they didn't have the support necessary for everybody, and Elira "helping her friends" escalated over time to "quieting the dissenters to keep everything smooth."

>>72261253
Ironically, I think her best bet if she wants to stay in the streaming business is to take a role as a manager. Unlike most streamers, Elira does have some (although rather bad) experience managing vtubers. She would make for a good candidate for managing whatever is left of EN if it merges with JP like some have speculated. Given she likely has experience working with JP on setting up and planning projects, understands how to use their equipment and has likely worked with more experienced managers during that time, and can speak English and Japanese, Nijisanji would have the perfect candidate for a managerial role. (Obviously she'll have more experienced managers watching over her like a hawk to make sure she doesn't repeat another Selen shitshow). This allows her to stay on the Niji payroll without having to experience the wider vtuber audience. Plus since Nijisanji is cheap as fuck, hiring basically a newbie with that much knowledge would be enticing.

Although that's just a pipe dream. In reality she'll probably come back to streaming as Elira, get demolished by everyone, slowly die off into irrelevancy then graduate.

>>72243601

>>72263417
Sayu was away for a good part of the year, she only did a few streams shortly after her termination to calm down her fanbase and reassure them that she wasn't going anywhere. She was mainly waiting for her new model to be ready tho.

Honestly... does anyone care about Elira outside this place? No one is even really bothering to attack her on her twitter replies.

>almost 2 months since her last stream
>False is still waiting for his chance to post the nuke
interesting

>>72264325
Elira is irrelevant now because she hasn't done anything since the black-screen video. Once she becomes more active the antis will wake up.

>>72264325
People just mass dumped her after the black video. That's why you won't see a #WhereIsElira tag trending on twitter.

>>72243601
The only thing that bitch will win is getting kicked right in the face.

>>72243990
Gura is the undisputed queen of Vtubing. Eliretard is fucking nothing compared to her.

>>72244817
That bitch and her trash clique is everything wrong with the EN branch

>>72255609
Yeah, to people with absolute low standards.

>>72263758
>Although that's just a pipe dream. In reality she'll probably come back to streaming as Elira, get demolished by everyone, slowly die off into irrelevancy then graduate.
Reality is probably going to be much more boring than that. She'll come back, it'd turn out she still has something like 1.2k regular CCV (her monhun topped at 4.9k, Valorant was 2.3k), stream like nothing happened and stay for the merger with JP. After awhile maybe she'll start gaining more SEA audience, maybe at some point she'll start making back some of her Western audience (especially when new people start walking in), maybe she'll keep bouncing in the 1-2k range.
>>72264449
>People expecting False to have something
False spent the whole of February downplaying how important it'd be. It's either a nothingburger or something that already got leaked. His main content is reacting to twitter announcements, so don't expect anything big out of that faggot.

>>72264935
So true.

Nips got her back. She’ll be fine

>>72245379
honestly that's my only gripe left from all this shitshow, why the fuck that video hasn't been deleted? like, it serves not actual good purpose, even a narcissism would realize that deleting that shit instead of letting it be a monument to their idiocracy.

not to say any actual legal things that may come from it maybe that's the actual reason why it hasn't been deleted, it can't be now since its evidence.

>>72263828
That is a really elaborate write-out, good perspective too. TND

>>72268029
>Nijisanji is planning to sue Doki
>they'll use that video as evidence

>>72243897
my bet is 3.5 Finanas for her comeback then it drops of on the next stream

>>72243990
Even if the clique is just a rrat, doesn't change the fact she
VOLUNTEERED
to host the second worst vtuber PR statement in history on her channel.

Debatably it's even worse than the Ctuber scandal because at least they didn't use their talents as a shield.

>>72243601
maybe in twitter

>>72270225
The comeback stream is going to hit big CCV numbers, not out of the question to even mog the 3D reviews. But it'd be mostly people waiting for a statement or dramafags pecking for info.

>>72243601
She's already taking the smartest decision to just wait it out until nobody cares anymore then go back to streaming like normal. Even in her tweets it's like nothing happened.

>>72267916
What's this ranking out of?

>>72271253
Most liked to disliked ratio by nips.

>>72271892
Can you imagine if this whole thing turns Elira into a mid-to-high 4view JP streamer.
>Doki wins
>Elira wins
>Everyone else (including Riku) loses
Impossible, but highly hilarious.

>>72271892
yeah, but I mean is a high number or low number good? how many people are in the list?

>>72270427
There's a slim chance that she might have been pressured to volunteer. I'm willing to entertain the idea that she had agreed to let herself get put into a position that eventually forced her to make decisions affecting her coworkers negatively. I have been in such a position before and it sucks. Being friends with your boss can be as dangerous as fraternizing with superiors in the military. There's a good reason why it's against protocol. You're almost guaranteed to piss off someone you used to be on good terms with, and it strains your sense of objectivity hard.
Not saying that's how it went, just that it might have been a factor. Women are more likely to be swayed by emotion, and more likely to be intimidated and coerced by male superiors, especially in societies that are still somewhat patriarchal, like Japan.

>>72270676
That's the problem, everyone will be there so she's going to need to turn on sub-only chat, enforce a 2+ month follower requirement, turn off superchats or something similarly draconian.

If she tries to stream it'll be impossible to engage with viewers productively, tanking her numbers even further. She'll just remind all her remaining parasocial fans that her crowning achievement is "that bitch who drove her coworker into a suicide attempt".

I think Elira's best course of action is to go indie, apologize profusely and possibly talk things out with Doki, but that would require strength of character she doesn't seemingly have. Most likely she'll just gamba with staying in NijiEN and pray lol

>>72273258
>and possibly talk things out with Doki
What if Doki doesn't want to talk it out with her?

>>72276067
Then she's going to have to live with the consequences of her actions and work to regain public trust like Sayu is, showing her resolve through actions rather than words. .

>>72243601
Even Kiara won't touch her pussy now.

>>72243601
''Can she lose further?'' Would be more appropriate to ask.

>>72279498
>NijiEN experiencing a fraction of what Sayu did
Eh. Pottery.

>>72254458
>Nijisanji posting the hit list graduation announcement
What a fucking retard, she was terminated. Not graduated. And how was it a hitlist? It was only about her and how she earned getting fired
>Nijisanji was the first to mention bullying and harassment
Did they just make it up and deny allegations they made up? The first person to bring up bullying was Selen, just because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it didn't happen
>Nijisanji via Elira were the ones who outted specific livers names in relation to said bullying and harassment.
When the fuck did Elira ever say that anyone specifically was accused of being bullies? She only said their location was alluded to in the document which could mean anything. Maybe start using your brain to think instead of slobbering over your keyboard to call anyone with a brain a sister because your schizophrenic hugbox isn't drinking the Kool aid anymore

>>72280524
It doesn't matter what Doki did, nothing justifies their termination notice, as well as the black stream. It's completely unprofessional and clearly another attempt to torch someone's career permanently.
Hilariously, they picked the absolute worst person to do it with this time, as Selen had many, many contacts outside of the company who could vouch that the termination notice was a bunch of bullshit.
Hell, even if she DID make everything up... why even include them? The public had no idea what was going on and just thought she had a mental breakdown and told everyone to pirate the company's IP. That's reason enough to terminate them, so just use that and call it a day. Hell, the public would probably even agree with them.
What could she even do? Do you really think a single girl with barely any money can blackmail a billion dollar company?

>>72281669
This. NijiEN made the second worst PR move in the VTuber history (the crown is still Wactor's) and self-destructed, they have no one else to blame but themselves.

>>72281669
Well put.

>>72281669
What contacts debunked anything? If anything, they just confirmed what was said in the notice through their own retardation. Like artists saying Nijisanji never paid them so Selen had to despite the fact that the company never pays for someone else's projects and it's all on the talent. Absolutely no one thought she just had a mental breakdown, everyone just assumed the manager was being a cunt. Plus giving all the reasons why someone was fired is just normal in all Vtuber corporations for the sake of transparency
>Do you really think a single girl with barely any money can blackmail a billion dollar company?
Yes because the company relies on their reputation to make money. It isn't like Chick Fila where people don't give a fuck because the food is good

NijiEn was still going down regardless of the black screen video or the termination notice.
With that video they took down their livers with them too.

>>72243990
Hololive this, Phase this, Idol this. Sigh. What the worst part is though you use the same experience you had and try to apply it to others. That's not hoe it works dumbass.

>>72244660
They aren't trolling. Their latest tactic because everyone is about to forget the events of a month or two ago is to rewrite history publicly.

>>72282268
Sister, NijiKR happened. Someone's face almost got ripped off over there and Niji's still standing.
NijiJP hired a convicted rapist who said he was there to rape the girls and that got swept under the rug.
We have a whole 48 page document (at last count) on yabs that Niji has swept under the rug, with many being far worse than bullying just one laughing dragon. The only reason this story got any traction is because Nijisanji themselves were the source of it.
Also, if the artists expected Nijisanji to pay it, don't you think they expected it for a reason? It's almost like they worked with Nijisanji before, and Selen had created many, many, many artistic projects where she put the artists first, never taking advantage of them and proving her true good will towards them, while Nijisanji forced one to write out their faults and scream them aloud for everyone to hear.
Even after leaving, she's still working constantly with artists and paying them for projects to give back to her fans. She's shown consistency that directly conflicts with Nijisanji's statement.

>>72283062
And it's easily countered by the Daily Reminder: public list of documented NijiEN's and their livers' crimes policy already in effect on some social media platforms.

No coming back from the black screen stream. If by some miracle she wasn't actually the manager, and refused being involved in it, she would definitely still have a chance provided the two queers that would be making this hypothetical stream by themselves didn't namedrop her, along with the queen of spades and the pagpag hamplanet.

>>72243601
who

>>72283280
>Someone's face almost got ripped off over there and Niji's still standing.
Proof? That NijiJP guy didn't say he'd rape anyone and wasn't a convicted rapist. He was immediately fired for saying he wanted to get in Nijisanji to off collab with female coworkers and sleep with them
>The only reason this story got any traction is because Nijisanji themselves were the source of it.
Wrong, the source of it was Selen and her personally attacking the company. It's also the first time someone ever pulled a highschool drama card and pinned a suicide attempt on a corporation.
>Also, if the artists expected Nijisanji to pay it, don't you think they expected it for a reason?
Yeah, cause they're retarded and don't know how Nijisanji works behind the scenes. They even blatantly said the payments were late and it's not Nijisanji who is supposed to pay them.

At this point anybody who wants her to succeed should be hoping the GURrat was real. Dropping streaming entirely and going full time Mane-san is the only route where I see her having any kind of career left.

>>72284035
OK, so you clearly have claims showing how Selen or Dokibird put out details regarding any harassment she had gotten before Nijisanji themselves did then, right? You have messages of Dokibird or Selen specifically citing harassment or bullying before Nijisanji made a public statement of them? Please provide timestamps or links.

>>72280524
>What a fucking retard, she was terminated. Not graduated. And how was it a hitlist? It was only about her and how she earned getting fired
I don't know about you, but I've never seen a billion dollar company do this. You want to know why 99.99% of corporations don't do this and make vague statemements like "due to NDA breaches" & "due to to creative differences" or "due to to contractual disputes" are most commonly used? It is awful PR for a company to do a laundry list - in the eyes of the public you are punching down on a former employee. Sometimes winning the PR battle is more important.
>The first person to bring up bullying was Selen, just because you didn't know about it doesn't mean it didn't happen
Private complaint vs public complaint. We do know that it was supposed to be a private document. Why else would a confidentially clause be attached and why else would Nijisanji scramble to say we didn't sign so the confidentiality doesn't matter. That is an awful PR move again. Private complaints are meant to be handled privately.

>>72284217
Yeah, her tweet where she says she wrote the document that was sent to Niji where she accused the members of harassing her because they questioned her. Are you implying they just made up false allegations to deny them? What a fucking idiot
>>72284598
>I don't know about you, but I've never seen a billion dollar company do this.
You will now remember Rushia. Or generally anyone famous for being a part of a company being fired
>We do know that it was supposed to be a private document
We also know she threatened to make her "complaint" public and that they only agreed and signed on making her medical documents private. Any other document was not asked to be made private. If you think private complaints should be handled privately, maybe don't threaten to make it public

>>72284035
>doesn't know about Moarin and 541E&C
Hilariously the nijiKR saga draws a lot of parallels with the EN situation. No I'm not going to spoonfeed you faggot, do your reps.

>>72285510
>Are you implying they just made up false allegations to deny them? What a fucking idiot
I'm implying that the allegations wouldn't be fucking public knowledge if they hadn't self reported so fucking hard. The truth doesn't even matter at this point because what they did during and since the termination notice has done nothing but paint them as a greedy, evil corporation in the public eye and they have nobody to blame but themselves.
>We also know she threatened to make her "complaint" public and that they only agreed and signed on making her medical documents private.
OK, so imagine she does... Then what? They make a separate statement denying it, and then they can post receipts proving that it never happened. Public sides with Nijisanji.
Unless of course it WAS so bad that they literally could not post any receipts without incriminating themselves further?
Where are those receipts btw? Because the only 6 cherrypicked messages they showed still proved themselves to be incompetent, bumbling bastards. They've clearly shown themselves not having any tact or even a willingness to protect their talents' reputations, so why not just post them and get it over with? They already posted some shitty ones before, so where's the rest? They didn't do it, right?

>>72272458
that seems likely. Where people get this evil queen shit is beyond me. You can tell what kind of person someone is very easily if you watch their streams. Enna is a complete cunt, Millie is a lapdog sidekick, Selen is a loudmouth, obnoxious tryhard, etc. I've watched Elira for hundreds of hours over the years, I've never seen her do anything mean or cruel or evil. She just doesn't have that vibe, she's a very, very dumb, mostly sweet, kind of snarky basic bitch type of girl. Nothing more nothing less. There's not an evil bone in her body, (I wish mine was, though.)

>>72289312
Bill Cosby was america's dad for decades until it was discovered he was a rapist.
You never really know people because of the roles they play in entertainment.

>>72243601
She's dead.
Someone analyzed that recording from a few days ago and found out it wasn't actually her.

>>72263828
Man, fuck your lameass reference to Coldplay

>>72286248
You're a retard. They never admitted guilt to any accusations. They only explained what happened and why someone would falsely accuse them. The truth doesn't matter to crackheads with agendas to keep because their communist brain went on overdrive and they NEED to "stick it to the man". The termination notice is perfectly fine to anyone that believes people should have the right to defend themselves and be honest
>Public sides with Nijisanji.
HAHAHAHAHA. Nice joke, dramafags hate Niji. They'd never win public opinion against serious allegations even with actual evidence because commies like you will just twist it to fit an agenda. They can't show evidence because evidence against the lawsuit wouldn't be showed to the public. The real question is if Doki is accusing people of harassment, why isn't she proving her claims? Why do dramafags with a chip on their shoulder like you seem to think they're guilty until they prove themselves innocent and even they try, you ignore evidence like them saying what's in the document and saying what actually happened. It's very interesting to see a witch hunt take place so blatantly

>>72289930
Nobody accused them of anything, except Nijisanji who wrote that the bullying came from other livers in Selen's termination notice.
Then they incriminated themselves in the black screen stream.

>>72289930
So did it work? Did they gain the public's opinion with their "honest" termination notice? They're making money hand over fist now after swatting down the menhera, right? This is probably going to be the best quarter they've ever had, right?
Doki's reputation is shattered, just like Sayu's was after her termination notice, right?

>>72290107
So you're back to pretending they just made up an allegation to deny it and that them defending themselves is them admitting to it. It's the dramafag cycle

>>72289596
True, but there's a big difference between an actor following a script and someone just wearing an anime mask still being themself though. Just look at people like Jim Carrey, he has beloved characters on the screen, but if you look at his social media stuff he's a fucking psychopath.

>>72289930
I'm convinced most of these doki fags dont even like her, they just love to stir shit up and cause grief for nijisanji. Most of them are probably just holoniggers who have never even watched a niji stream in their life. If, say, Petra had 'attempted' and was terminated and Selen was implicated in doing it, they'd be doing the same shit with pitchforks out for Selen. They just want drama and controversy, they don't actually care about anyone.

>>72290282
I don't know about you but I would value honesty and transparency more than potential money I could have gotten by letting a menhera walk all over me. I don't care how hard dramafags manipulate the masses to attack Niji non-stop, they have the right to defend themselves and be transparent

>>72290585
Yeah, the tone and wording could have been much, much better, and it should have been on the official channel or just twitter and not youtube *at all*, but they have every right to defend themselves from slander and bullying by doki and her anti-brigade fagoons. They just did it in the worst way possible from a PR standpoint.

>>72290553
It wouldn't have mattered who they made their martyr. All that mattered is that they had a relatively clean reputation to launch their dramafaggotry smear campaign against the company. The Holokids just help the dramafags smear Niji because they're trialists that want to tear down the competition. None of these faggots even watch Niji streams, they have no idea what they're talking about and just get second half information off schizophrenic communists on the board

>>72243897
So chat's been purified, big deal, probably non payers too, real fans stayed and are just waiting for her return.

>>72290585
...But was it worth it? Was disproving this one girl's actions and methods worth the fact that every single one of their organs are feeling the effects now and bleeding subs, viewers, and money? Was that one menhera really worth tens of millions of dollars?
...And why aren't they even attempting to fix their own public perception? They obviously know about the state of the branch. Why aren't they doing anything in six weeks to give people enough good will to at bare minimum stop the sub bleed?

>>72243601
GIBS YO MANSIONS, DRAGON BITCH!

>>72291164
because once the retarded, unwashed masses have an idea in their head its almost impossible to get public opinion back on your side. It doesnt matter if you're right, it doesn't even matter if you have proof. These faggots will just keep circle jerking each other forever now, the only thing you can do is wait it out until they get bored and move on to the next crusade.

>>72291164
Like I said, I value honesty over money. They told their side of the story and dramafags manipulated it into being a confession despite it being the exact opposite. People that actually have brains can see schizophrenic babble for what it is and ignore shit dramatards make up without evidence. Now they just continue as usual with their real fans, a good way to filter out trashy dramafags

>>72290724
>defend themselves from slander
what slander?
>>72290923
>relatively clear reputation
If it's so clean, is it any wonder why it's a fucking stupid idea to attack it so viciously when you can't back it up?
>None of these faggots even watch Niji streams
Probably the closest thing you said to true. Most of the people "attacking" Niji don't watch niji streams. But they're still right for acknowledging how fucking shit your company is.

I did, though. I watched Selen. And like most of the other dragoons and Doki herself, all we've been doing this entire time is playing defense and focusing on Doki's brand new career as a large indie streamer. The dragoons don't give a shit what happens to Niji anymore as long as they leave her the fuck alone. At best they're keeping an eye on them so they don't try to pull another REAL smear campaign like that black video or termination notice.

>>72291518
>>72291741
OK, so where's this proof? Where's this honesty? Nijisanji's shown they're willing to post both screenshots of conversations as well as reveal information from potentially incriminating documents to get their point across, so where's the rest of it? They have a billion dollar entertainment audience that they could be working to convince, and they... lost tens of millions of dollars somehow to a single girl who hasn't made a single public accusatory statement, and are doing nothing to stop their overseas branch from falling?

Slaaaaay sisters! Next Phaseyab session soon, trust the process!

>ITT sisters still fighting a battle they lost nearly two months ago
kek

>>72292209
Buy an ad

>>72292022
Like I already said, dramafags will ask for evidence that someone is innocent instead of asking for proof someone is guilty and when there is evidence someone is innocent, they twist it to fit the agenda and ask for more. They can't show everything because some would pertain to a potential lawsuit that could be filed against them. They shouldn't have to because it should be innocent until proven guilty anyways. I don't care about the money, I care about the integrity. Something you clearly lack since you're only thinking about how much money they've been losing

>>72243743
>anal gape
She cant win against enna kek

>>72292507
Pretty much.

>>72291823
The dramafags decided to make any ex - EN member with a bone to pick their martyr as long as people generally liked them. It could have been Petra, it could have been Alban, it could have been even Reimu and she'd be seen as a martyr against Niji who was innocent and was being bullied by everyone. There was no defense, only accusations designed to polarize people like pining suicide on someone else like it's fucking highschool. It's hard to believe you when you say dragoons don't care as you are literally pulling up a calculator and adding up the amount of money the runts of EN get compared to Doki. Seems like you give a shit. Good job on the smear campaign you and your oshi launched on innocents though

>>72293191
>innocent
>nijisanji

Kek, good one nijishitter

>>72255303
How about instead we work under the assumption that oysters can play the clarinet and nuns can fly? It's less farfetched.

>>72243601
She hasn't lost everything, that's the important thing.

>>72293191
...But Nijisanji is the one who's got something to lose right now. They're the only one who has a reason to keep this going because if they don't, the whole branch is going to go under. So their "integrity" is now having dozens of casualties? That's some integrity. If this is how they treat their employees, I'd hate to be t heir enemies.

Her parents are rich as fuck, she can just go back to mooching off of them. Her career as a vtuber literally doesn't matter to her that much

>>72293191
>Good job on the smear campaign you and your oshi launched on innocents though
No matter how many times you repeat it, it won't make it true. Nijisanji caused all of this by themselves. All they had to do was release a neutral termination statement and say nothing else, and the majority would agree "well she really shouldn't have told people to pirate that MV, what's wrong with her?" and write her off as a menhera.
Instead, they tried to create their own narrative and it backfired in every way imaginable.

I think Elira is not graduating/getting terminated, because doing so would make Anycolor look even more incompetent and would be a soft admission that the black screen video was dogshit.

It's up to the individual if that counts as a victory though. Streaming as a Niji slave with shit numbers and shit pay with a permanent debuff to your reputation is questionable at best, not to mention your mere presence is radioactive so at some point you're likely to be discarded anyway when it's no longer worth the trouble of keeping you around for the sake of appearances.

>>72284035
>He was immediately fired for saying he wanted to get in Nijisanji to off collab with female coworkers and sleep with them

NTA but if this was corporate America, HR would consider that premeditated rape.

>>72291518
>because once the retarded, unwashed masses have an idea in their head its almost impossible to get public opinion back on your side
You're literally describing yourself and all the the doxx sisters though.

>>72272214
>Elira wins
Not gonna happen.

>>72290553
Cry about it, Nijisister.

>>72282268
Sister the way that nijisanji terminated her imho is really against labor standards and that shit is a pr burning statement, just look at when mel was terminated just a single page, no need to debunk everything what the talent did because for every point on that you're sinking the reputation that company has that's PR Lessson 101

>>72293191
>smear campaign you and your oshi launched on innocents
Yeah I agree Niji is so retarded for this, literally burnt their own brand to the ground

>>72293191
>keeping receipts to debunk sisters' arguments in advance is bad b-because it is!
Nah. If you're gonna keep attacking us with stupid shit like "SHE'S FALLING OFF NOW SHE DOESN'T HAVE 126K CCV ANYMORE" then we can laugh at your company burning to the ground after shooting their foot off.

>>72293191
I mean the numbers don't lie sister, it's the make or break of EN branch innocent or not if they can't pull numbers they're just dead weight, why retain a branch that's just bleeding money if it's not profitable? Surely investor's are gonna poke into that

>>72297311
They branch would go under in your wildest dreams. If you think integrity isn't worth it if you lose some money, you're a greedy faggot. You're saying they should essentially abandon their morality for money

>>72302511
...But is it worth it? Will you force 30 organs and their single shared manager to go hungry because you think you took a stand against one, single girl who isn't even attacking you?

>>72302511
Well it's not about morality but the numbers lol pretty much they are dead in the west now since cover is in full swing over there and successful collabs by the other company's EN talents in asia are a fucking success

Now if the NijiEN branch can't replicate that success or at least be at that pedestal they have a huge problem

There is no war to win. Pack it up. It's been over since the black video dropped. There is nothing to fight for, or what do people even hope to accomplish? Touching grass is less boring than vomiting the same arguments for months. That goes for all sides too, since no involved party is fighting anymore. At least wait for actual news or events before shitting on the catalog (or responding to shit).

>>72299527
You literally don't know what could have happened. If she was terminated at all, she could have done the exact same thing. No one would call her a menhera since public opinion was already on her side about the MV despite people knowing nothing about it. Dramafags certainly wouldn't take their side and would twist anything to make Niji look bad, if you think this is untrue, you're confirming that you're a retard
>>72302230
Corporations regarding online personalities are not equatable to regular jobs. If you have to kick someone out of the company, people will have questions so they explain the situation and why they got fired. You shouldn't use Hololive as a metric on good PR because they did the same thing to Rushia what Nijisanji did to Selen with the only difference being people liked Hololive more than they liked Rushia
>>72302477
>>72302506
>"We don't care about the drama anymore, we just want to see Dokibird stream!"
>Keeps track of the smallest EN members statistics because they want Nijisanji to fail
Interesting way to not care. If you really didn't care, you wouldn't be here calculating how much more money Doki is making than Vivi. You don't know if they're profitable and they probably are since they hire a single manager per wave and essentially just have to produce a model than give it to them. Low cost and you get a lot of return

>>72302627
You have now realized that being a greedy faggot is wrong and are now trying to go back to the argument of Selen doing nothing. Read the thread, she pined a suicide on them. That isn't doing nothing

>>72244078
>I'm out of nuggies and condoms for my black bfs... well time to stream again at least 1 time for the next 3 months.

>>72302900
>You literally don't know what could have happened. If she was terminated at all, she could have done the exact same thing. No one would call her a menhera since public opinion was already on her side about the MV despite people knowing nothing about it.
No, people at most would've just thought she got fucked over for the last time at the company and she'd be happy as a low or mid 4view indie. Even after all the shit Niji's flung at her, she STILL hasn't punched back. Even THIS reality you're wrong about any kind of smearing.

>Corporations regarding online personalities are not equatable to regular jobs. If you have to kick someone out of the company, people will have questions so they explain the situation and why they got fired. You shouldn't use Hololive as a metric on good PR because they did the same thing to Rushia what Nijisanji did to Selen with the only difference being people liked Hololive more than they liked Rushia
No they didn't. They were still very vague and made sure not to add any extra details. People were perfectly OK with that, and Rushia went on to have a very, VERY successful streaming career as an Indie until she fucked it up again herself almost immediately.

Mel did the same thing. She's still pulling in numbers just fine despite being terminated as an indie.

Yet Sayu? Sayu got fucking DEMOLISHED. She was LOWER than she was pre-Nijisanji and STILL has to fight to get a spot in collabs because people hate her from that scathing, bullshit termination notice. It was completely unprofessional and they torched her career for fucking nothing. None of the graduated or terminated hololive talents had anything close to Sayu's negative response even without the fucking hard dox you slithering fucknuggets used to harass her in person.

>If you really didn't care, you wouldn't be here calculating how much more money Doki is making than Vivi. You don't know if they're profitable and they probably are since they hire a single manager per wave and essentially just have to produce a model than give it to them. Low cost and you get a lot of return

We know they're not profitable because of the fucking financial report you dunce. On top of that, You sisters made a fucking smearing, shit-stained rentry that had absolutely no facts in it, a hit list of people who said Hi to Doki one time at the store, and actively go to stir up drama against her all the fucking time in public places to the point where you've been kicked out of every other website that has actual moderation tools. The actual dragoons are mostly sticking to their own shit and not bothering beyond playing defense to stop YOUR smear campaigns.

>>72244574
This
>It's only 20k people, Elira still has over 500k
Yeah over 500k dead subs. Anyone who actively bothered to unsub had to be a recurrent viewer.

>>72302968
Nah, just trying to get you to realize how stupid of a thing you're saying is. Riku never even apologized for his scathing termination notices towards Selen or Zaion. His fucking apology was towards the INVESTORS, not Selen. All he cares about is money. He's gone on record saying that Nijisanji was just a pump and dump that lasted longer than his other 3 pump and dumps.

>>72303152
>Would have
No one cares about would haves. Glad you admit no matter what Niji would have done, they'd still be getting shit from schizos. I don't know in what reality you're in where you think pining a suicide on them, accusing them of harassment, accusing them of breaking multiple laws, and being complicit in allowing her rabid retard fanbase to harass everyone in Niji isn't punching "back".
>Rushia was fine, trust me
Rushia did not come out okay. She was extremely upset about being fired and being branded a liar by the company while she was still being harassed by Mafu's fans which Cover did nothing about. Pretty sure she was also considering suicide over the situation as well. Just because Holofags were okay with the notice doesn't mean it's not the exact same kind of notice that was given against Selen.

No one hated Sayu because of the termination notice, you retard. They hated her for making that rape joke which she didn't apologize for until her document. Some retards also hated her for being a shotacon. Her career was already torched by that point and she was a pain the ass to work with considering she fucked up that many times in one month. They stated every reason she was being fired to be transparent. Also who the fuck harassed Sayu in person? Prove that ever happened and you're not digging shit out of your ass to throw at people. Mel got fired for an NDA breach and left amicably, which is exactly what they offering Sayu until she refused because the graduation contract involved her not being able to defame the company. Defame being the actual word used which she had an issue with not being able to do
>Durr the financial report
The financial report says nothing about them being unprofitable. Not making as much profit doesn't mean profit doesn't exist, use your head. It's fucking insane that you schizos considered that rentry a "smear with no evidence" as you continue to peddle utter retardation that actually has no evidence like the GURrat, the clique horseshit or any pedo allegation you can dig up. The sister's "hitlist" was literally labeled a blocklist so sisters can ignore the drama and stay in their lane but it seems /vt/ranny containment breakers are everywhere. The fact you admit people defending Nijisanji are being banned and you see nothing wrong with that level of censorship is fucking hysterical. Have some self awareness, if dragoons didn't care about Nijisanji anymore, they wouldn't be here trying to defend Doki's good name while tearing down Niji

>>72303182
Riku Tazumi did not write the termination notice, you autist. He didn't even write the report, he was apologizing on behalf of the writer of that report calling an ex employee negligible because that's not professional. Why would he apologize to Selen if Selen and Zaion were justifiably fired? Just because you think they're mean doesn't mean they have to apologize, you overgrown child

>>72303730
> Glad you admit no matter what Niji would have done, they'd still be getting shit from schizos.
...Yes? They did this all to themselves. That's the whole point, sister. Doki had absolutely NOTHING to do with Nijisanji eating itself alive. She was just the last straw on the camel. It was already about to be crippled.

> while she was still being harassed by Mafu's fans
...What? That came later and had nothing to do with Cover and everything to do with Rushia's marriage. Cover was pissed about shit like the korekore leaks, not the marriage itself you dunce. Get your timelines straight at least. She was rich as fuck and not an employee anymore. Are you going to blame Cover for how she pissed it all away on lawyers trying to sue 5ch users?

>No one hated Sayu because of the termination notice, you retard. They hated her for making that rape joke which she didn't apologize for until her document. Some retards also hated her for being a shotacon.
The only people who cared about the rape joke were the twitter users who had access to her fucking address, real name, photo, and passport number you malicious twat. Are you going to pretend that never happened? At how Sayu's return streams consisted mainly of her randomly crying about the shit she was going through after all the dox shit and people ghosting her out of fear of angering Nijisanji? NOBODY wanted to even say hello to her or come out in her support because if you did that, you'd be banned from ever interacting with the second largest Vtuber company on the planet. And for the shota thing? Get over it. Half the fucking Luxiem fans have had names like "I LOVE SHOTA MYSTA'S TINY PENIS" but still bring up her liking fictional small people as if she's going to go rape a real life child. I know you can't read, but the silencing contract SPECIFICALLY said that she wasn't allowed to ever defend herself from Party A's defamatory actions. It had absolutely no guarantees that they wouldn't defame her anyways, just that she couldn't say shit if she signed it. And thank god she didn't.

>The financial report says nothing about them being unprofitable. Not making as much profit doesn't mean profit doesn't exist, use your head.
They lost over 40% value on the EN branch. The last several financial reports specifically stated how the EN branch was going to be their focus in the future for growth. This knowledge was so bad that their stock price dropped over 20% in fucking seconds and only stopped falling because of the market's hard cap. The best part? This doesn't even include february onwards, AKA losing Selen and all of t he negative press, the sub bleed, the complete loss in viewership and donations, and how they missed fucking Valentine's Day on top of a month of streaming.

>>72304001
Then if they want to be mean, they get to live with the consequences of their actions. Believe it or not, both normies and their actual audience don't like mean people!

>>72304106
I don't know how exactly you get the narrative of "they did it to themselves" if according to you, there's nothing they could have done to have a smear campaign not launched against them.
>That came later and had nothing to do with Cover and everything to do with Rushia's marriage
Holy newfag. How the fuck do you not know that Rushia was being harassed by her unicorns and Mafu's fans after people found out she was playing games with him off stream? Korekore didn't even say anything before Rushia was fired and she apparently came to him to ask for advice about her being harassed by a senior coworker and what to do about the math situation which led to her getting fired and being branded a liar. Once again, prove anyone harassed Zaion in real life. Prove Nijisanji blacklists people for interactions with Sayu.
>I know you can't read, but the silencing contract SPECIFICALLY said that she wasn't allowed to ever defend herself from Party A's defamatory actions.

What a fucking lie, they said they would not defame her. It applies to both Party A and Party B. In fact they never did slander her anyways because she admits to doing everything they said she did in her document too. Considering every other graduation announcement is vague as shit, why would hers be different? And she still could have found a way to weasel out the contract by vagueposting like she does in her document and what every other member does after they leave Niji like Mata using "Hollywood" as a stand in for Nijisanji. You're also not listening about profits. A Vtuber model is relatively cheap to produce compared to the total amount of money a Vtuber would bring, especially since they have a team to design and rig models. They will always turn a profit from new waves unless they spent over 10,000 per model. Them losing potential money doesn't mean they aren't turning a profit

>>72304974
>fanfiction
Sister, this isn't twitter. The people here actually know their shit. I don't know why you even keep coming here every day. You can cry and scream and rant all you want, but Nijisanji absolutely did this to themselves through years of shitty practices and fucking over their employees. Keep trying though. Keep making more bait threads on the vietnamese bowl crafting forum! Earn those gift cards, sister!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VtIfkDY-0l6xtr7Usp-vPPM_GM3KqGdZbCANhixnvoA/edit

>>72304166
Transparency is more important than dead subs. Even if they lost half their views across the board, I'd applaud them for sticking to their guns in the face of witch hunt

>>72305127
I can't believe really made an entire document trying to claim Nijisanji is nearing bankruptcy just because they think Hololive is doing better. Has this really just become the holoshill board?

>>72305173
OK, and what if they were wrong and acting in bad faith? What if they were actually the ones lying? Would you turn on them and apologize to Doki and Sayu in this hypothetical?
I can tell you right now that if Doki is somehow revealed to have been lying this whole time, I'd go and superchat 100 dollars each to the entire clique.

>>72305227
always has been a holoboard
you nijikeks are hated and for good reason

>>72305227
Holy rent-free

>>72243824
They're trying to sneak their way in- QUICK, /VT/ ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING BESIDES WHINE FOR ONCE

>>72305227
Nobody is seriously saying Nijisanji is going bankrupt. We're saying that the EN branch has become so unprofitable that Riku is going to get reamed by investors unless he shutters it like all of the other overseas branches. JP is underwhelming, but it's still profitable enough to keep the lights on.

>>72305173
>dead subs
>unsubbing
review the meaning of that term, champ. they're called dead for a reason!

>>72305228
Sure, if literally everybody in Niji was acting in bad faith and only Doki was actually justified in everything she did, I'd immediately accept that I was wrong and apologize for it. Fact of the matter is there's not enough details to know that Doki was right or wrong so no one should be witch hunting anyone. Sayu has proven to be retarded though so I'd never feel sorry for shitting on her. She accused them, attempted to show evidence and only proved she was a retard. She could have just graduated like every other Nijisanji member and subtly shit talked them which is what she was doing anyway and they wouldn't have written that notice firing her. They said they wouldn't speak about why the agreement happened in the contract

>>72305364
They're subs that don't interact and don't watch streams. If they're not dead, they may as well be

>>72305305
The document literally is just a comparison of how much more money Hololive makes than Nijisanji, like that matters. Imagine Burger King shutting down with the only reason being they weren't as rich as McDonald's

>>72302900
Well because unlike selen, rushia is a fucking mess do be remember that the first statement holo put out was to protect her then when they investigated what shit she has been up to they tried to remove her for good

I mean are you updated on her recent drama? That just says what kind of person they're deling with.

i don't know what country you are from but from my work experience corpo's handling online personalities is given the same rules as a regular job here, I already have assisted someone who has a similar case with doki and least to say that talent got her due and said agency wad heavily fined because of violation of labor laws here

>>72305486
Anon I regret to inform you that you do not have a future in media.

>>72305541
Anyone saying Rushia is a mess could say the same about Selen. Their investigation was just that she spoke to Korekore about what was happening with her and she figured he'd have advice on how to get out of it. Which got her fired. What Rushia is involved with now can just be explained to be a domino effect of her getting fired from Hololive even if you're assuming Mafu is the only one telling the truth. It's not illegal to share why an employee was fired.

>>72305486
> Me who used to watch elira and still in membership till the black stream video and several other famelira
> Me being called a dead sub

That's quite harsh anon

Anon pls

>>72305486
anon if theyre dead subs, they wouldnt care enough to unsub
Also CCVs went down right after
This is pure unfiltered cope

>>72305748
A dramafag is worse than a dead sub, glad you removed yourself from the sub count

>>72305853
fageliras and ennacucks really are the most brainwashed of the second-class nijicitizens

>>72305459
>no one should be witch hunting anyone
>also Sayu is a stupid cunt for exposing how black company the I gargle the balls of is

>>72305735
You're missing your point anon most likely they found more damning evidence about what she has been upto before she even went to korekore which at that pointis already a huge mess that which she got fired if you're saying that what she has been upto is because she was fired by holo, do be remember that she was "saved" by kson and got into vshojo which she didn't seem to care about at all and went back to double streaming between mike and nazuna. See the wordings of cover's termination is justified since she's a hot mess back then and that was like weeks before holofes at which the issue could affect thei big event

>>72305853
NTA
But you throw around dramafag a lot. What's your definition of dramafag? Because some dude cancelling his sub and unsubbing because he doesn't agree with the content is not the least bit dramafag behaviour.
What's he supposed to do? Stay subbed and keep membership when he doesn't like what they do?

>>72305853
> Me being called a dramafag

i could care less about that anon I'm just really surprised she put up a stunt like that when she pretended to a be a good sweet girl

>>72305853
>2+ year famelira that spent money on Elira and watched her streams are reduced to "dramafags" now
Do nijisisters really?

>>72306064
>all that shit for $150
man really dropping his oshi huh goddamn

>>72306064
nijishitters only oshi the brand

>>72243601
Unironically? Yes. Not everybody has the memory of a grudge holding schizo /vt/ user.

>>72306064
I'm actually annoyed I didn't buy all the niji merch I could when it happened. I was too lazy and I think it's all gone by now. I wanted a bunch of cheap selen and elira shit since I still love their designs... Their artist didn't deserve this. Such complete sex designs.

>>72306325
at least it wasn't pako this time!

>>72306348
pako-sensei lived a hard life...

>>72305961
>>72305982
>>72306064
If you take so much stock in drama that you pass believe someone you're allegedly a fan of is guilty despite there being no evidence of guilt provided, you are not a famelira. You are a dramafag, you never were a real fan if you drop them over an allegation with no evidence that she's actively defending herself against

>>72306395
Anon, the black screen video is STILL on her channel. A good person would not have done that video. The company clearly threw her under the bus, and it worked.

>>72305942
I'm not witch hunting Sayu. I'm just not watching her, she is immersing herself in drama and starts throwing accusations like candy. I'm just /here/ to call her retarded because she chose to not part ways amicably then accused them of trying to silence her despite the contract being more of a silence of Nijisanji than her and was surprised they fired her while listing every infraction she had gained in a month. She made her bed and didn't want to lie in it

>>72306497
Like I said, she is defending herself from the accusations made in the document. She is not throwing her under the bus, she is defending herself. It is not throwing someone under the bus to defend yourself from their attack.

>>72306626
The document that was never publicized and was only intended to be reviewed by lawyers? The document that included Selen's personal information that Vox claimed to have "read thoroughly"? That document?

>>72306626
defending herself from the accusations in the document Niji put out, saying Selen reported to management she was being harassed by other organs? kek

I'd like to interrupt this sister fight to say I would have sex with you

>>72306913
Anon no... don't bury yourself in the ham planet...

>>72306680
Yeah, the one that Selen didn't sign to be private. Her intentions don't matter, she never made them agree to keep it private between lawyers. Something also doesn't have to public to be a false accusation you want to defend yourself against. You faggots are the only people who somehow think sharing more information which would lead to more of the truth being revealed is wrong. Probably because they'd kill your rrats

>>72307123
>she felt the need to defend herself publicly against a "false", private accusation

>>72307123
...This doesn't even make sense. How retarded do you have to believe to think that Selen's lawyer is the one fucking up and not the people who lost a fucking defamation court against a dramatuber in JAPAN? Has Anycolor EVER won a lawsuit? Holy fuck their lawyers are so incompetent that they can't even get the right name on the NDA for artists, and you think SELEN's lawyer is the one that fucked up? The one who got her to win the public appeal by shutting up and letting Nijisanji hang themselves? Holy shit what a hilarious joke.
Why the fuck would you EVER place faith in a company who lost a lawsuit because they were so fucking greedy they sold a voice pack.

>>72306497
>A good person would not have done that video.
>The company clearly threw her under the bus, and it worked.
Not really giving her the benefit of the doubt here, huh...

>>72306395
Holy fuck anon
What kind of booze are you on, clearly your statement is a whole ass copium

If defending the way is through the black screen video? Then there's really no option there she Destroyed the trust she had with her community and she will not be able to return to her former glory till she says sorry and that black screen video is still out

>>72307123
She clearly made the statement that document supposed to be private in lawyer culture if there's something like that only lawyer's are allowed to look at it if someone other person gets to look at it it's a tantamount to a case of debarring a lawyer, anon

>>72307444
Yes, false accusations are nasty and the accusations were already made public without people knowing specifics. There's no guarantee she would not have made the document public either. Being willing to share information about the accusations while naming yourself as one of the people accused of harassment is what someone innocent would do. Why would someone guilty decide to share evidence and details of their crime instead of just ignoring it until it goes away?
>>72307667
Selen herself basically says her lawyer mistranslated things and didn't get her intentions across properly and there is obviously more than one lawyer in the Nijisanji legal team. We also don't know if Selen even asked for them to sign anything about making all documents private since she only asked for the medical ones to be private especially. Intended doesn't mean actually did

>>72306626
>Like I said, she is defending herself from the accusations made in the document.
You know what would help that argument? Citing some excerpts from that document, specifically where it clearly shows Selen accusing her of anything. I mean, you sure sound like someone who has thoroughly read that document and in fact has it on their hands right now.

>>72307884
No she didn't. Stop making shit up immediately. She said she intended for it to only be seen by lawyers and never said it was illegal for anyone else to see the document otherwise she'd have said that and she wouldn't need schizophrenics like you putting words in her mouth.

>>72307929
Why would they be allowed to read off the document like a story book if they're obviously being limited on what they can say about the document which would obviously include directly reading off it. They said what two of the accusations were and gave their point of view on how it didn't happen the way she's saying it did. Elira only didn't elaborate on the location one because it included personal information on her. A lot more details than anything Doki provided

>>72307989

>>72308119
When did anyone say the document was confidential information that the people reading it were legally not allowed to know about it?

>>72307989
Yeah, no. It was clearly a big fucking deal if she reacted that way. It's an absolute shitshow over at Anycolor.
>>72307922
>here's no guarantee she would not have made the document public either.
Sister, for the love of god, open your eyes. They made the fucking termination notice and tried to sabotage her first fucking stream back with that disgusting black stream. If she was the bpd menhera whore you keep pretending she is, wouldn't she have released the hounds months ago? It's almost as if she was serious when she said she wants to fucking move on and you're the only insects trying to keep this going instead of actually supporting your failing organs. It was fun watching you flail around at first, but now it's just getting sad.
>Selen herself basically says her lawyer mistranslated things and didn't get her intentions across properly and there is obviously more than one lawyer in the Nijisanji legal team. We also don't know if Selen even asked for them to sign anything about making all documents private since she only asked for the medical ones to be private especially. Intended doesn't mean actually did
Proof next thread, I assume? Because I can sure as hell prove that Nijisanji's lawyers have a history of incompetence.

>>72308158
Because if they were intended to read it she wouldn't have been surprised you mouth-breathing neanderthal.

>>72243824
winning by traumatizing pomu
https://streamable.com/nobw3p

Honestly I'm kind of tired of hearing about this Niji retardation and black company shit at this point.
Can you faggots just commission/draw some more paizuri art of these sex chuubas? Thanks.

>>72308158
Where did Doki say she was bullied by Niji, be that talents or management? Nowhere, it was heavily implied.
So when Doki's manager replies to that joke of a tweet which states "niji is not responsible for what our talents say on stream", guess what this one heavily implies?

>>72307989
It's under legal ethics anon it doesn't matter of she said it or had it instructed the fact of matter is once a document is in a lawyer's hands it should still be in lawyer's hands in the other party it's the reason why legal department exists anon they know how to deal with that shit, once it gets to another party the said lawyer who leaked that is liable, holy fuck

>>72308188
>>72308233

>It was clearly a big fucking deal if she reacted that way.
She didn't even know what document they were reading, you fucking retard. She went on Twitter the day of and said it wasn't the documents she thought it was. And believe it or not, just because someone is mentally ill doesn't mean they're self destructive and stupid. Crazy concept, I know. Her posting her document like she said she would would only have people start looking at her sideways and the dirty masses would have the wool pulled over their eyes. She literally says mistranslations and narratives were muddied up between her lawyer and their lawyers, she was the one sending shit to them so the only mistranslation that could be made is from her

>>72308570
>The attorney-client privilege does not apply to every communication with an attorney. For the privilege to exist, the communication must be to, from, or with an attorney, and intended to be confidential.
Google is free, anon. Anyone with brain capacity isn't falling for your horseshit

>>72308450
Drawgoons got you covered.
https://files.catbox.moe/1hwzgj.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/qbt3xe.gif
There's a few more in the works too. The pankobro has been busy! Give him a thanks if you see him around.
>>72308593
Proof next thread on these mistranslations? Or are you simply confusing the "if there are any issues, please refer to the english version of this statement" line? Because pretty much every single multilingual document has that, including the contracts that were leaked from Nijisanji.

>>72308426
>traumatizing
Then why did Pomu meet up with Enna, Millie, Luca and Elira in Japan?

>>72308676
If that's your legal basis anon then you fucking fail, ive been through this and studied several cases here at my country with that same scenario and several lawyer here got suspended (which is the minimum penalty) through revocation of lawyers license by not observing proper attorney client relationship

And here I thought we have shittiest law regarding legal ethics with that

>>72308805
...Did she? As far as I know she only met with kiara, the dogs, and matara.

Is she just going to go on hiatus for half a year and hope all the antis and dramafags just forget about it? Vox has already shown that he can stream if he wanted to so I doubt they’re suspended.

>>72308802
The fact you're asking for proof while being in a thread about the drama where the message in which Doki's second suicide attempt gets pined on Niji is the same message where she says there were mistranslations is astounding. I'm convinced Dokifags don't even watch her at this point if they can't even keep with the shit she says

>>72308847
Why do you pl-spamming fucks don't even do your fucking reps?

>>72308824
>You trust actual lawyers on Google? Over me larping as a lawyer and looking at court cases? You must be a retard

Like I said, no one is falling for it. Not all talks with lawyers and shit sent to lawyers is confidential

>>72308911
Holy fuck you ARE that stupid. It's just for clarification for documents translated into multiple languages. Nowhere in any of her statements did she imply that she somehow fucked up beyond trusting that Nijisanji's lawyers would do their fucking jobs.
>>72308922
Because I don't give a shit about Enna. Post links or get out. Unless you're still buying that stupidity that people think that because she met Kiara, and Kiara met Enna, that somehow Pomu met Enna, Elira, Millie, and Luca.

>>72308979
>no one is falling for it
That's true. No one is falling for you spin, sister, no matter how much you keep repeating your script.

>>72308676
>>72308824 (me)
also doki deemed it confidential hence she was surprised why the talents knew about the document, in matters like this, once a lawyer sends in something to the other party's legal department it accompany a letter stating that said document is deemed confidential, which for some reason the anycolor's lawyers didnt know which to me is fucking sus because every lawyer knows about that. Either they have a law student intern or a shit lawyer for that they didnt understand its fucking confidential, which to me the latter makes sense considering one of the mistakes that their lawyers made in the roa case is simple enough that a fresh lawyer off the bar knmows how to handle that

>>72308979
I am literally looking at my cases anon since I'm fucking studying it and who said I trust goggle? I have my own license to trust myself on that since I've handled labor cases before unlike you

>>72309020
>I’ve asked my lawyer to convey that and have communication that the document as it was written wasn’t going to be released anywhere, and my lawyer did so when sending the document
>All of the communication was done between lawyers in Japanese. Things are not black and white and everything gets more complicated and muddled when lawyers are involved in a different country. When things are conveyed to multiple parties through different degrees of communication, everything turns into different narratives and different translations

Not a single time were the words document even said. Her lawyer fucked up on making everything private if that's what she wanted to do. So it's her failure

>>72306064
Out of curiosity, is that bridge permanently burned, or do you see yourself ever coming back to her?

>>72308805
sis. at least post facts with links. our lord would be disappointed of you

>>72308802
>Drawgoons got you covered
Thanks for the links, chap.
>There's a few more in the works too. The pankobro has been busy! Give him a thanks if you see him around.
Gonna be real with you, I don't know who that is-- but if I see someone posting similar stuff I'll give 'em a thanks.

>>72309261
Yes, in other words, it's far more likely that the company with a history of shitty legal decisions and incompetent lawyers is the ones who actually screwed the pooch. Her only mistake was trusting that they weren't complete dumbasses.
>>72309266
That's not the same anon who posted it. That image showed up the night the black screen video happened.
That said, I definitely watched Elira a lot and she was absolutely one of my comfort characters. That one stream completely destroyed my opinion of her and it's going to take one hell of an explanation for me to ever trust her again.

>>72309105
You're a retard. Just because something is sent to lawyer doesn't make it immediately confidential. She explicitly said she only signed for her medical documents to be private.

>>72309347
>I’ve asked my lawyer to convey that and have communication
>All of the communication was done between lawyers in Japanese. Things are not black and white and everything gets more complicated and muddled when lawyers are involved in a different country

Only a retard reads this and assumes the lawyer didn't fuck up. She never even said the lawyer successfully communicated her intentions and instead said "Japanese is hard for lawyers". It takes an extreme amount of mental gymnastics to say she was talking about Nijis lawyers

>>72309105
That other statement on xitter right after the black stream just outs they deliberately said fuck it to the confidentiality of those docs

>>72309356
>She explicitly said she only signed for her medical documents to be private.
Now you're just lying.
Those medical docs were unlikely even in the same glorified diary package and were sent long before as part of her original HR complaint.

>>72309505
wouldn't doubt those got leaked internally as well

>>72309455
...Sister she's being gracious and trying to de-escalate the situation as best she can.
For fuck's sake Nijisanji themselves flat out said they didn't give a shit about confidentiality on twitter right after the video came out.
I don't know how on earth you're still against her after she's done everything her power to stop the fighting and never once threw a punch no matter how many licks she took.

>>72309505
It's in the Neopets stream,do your reps and come back. While you're watching, look for any actual evidence that it was an HR complaint and not a lawsuit

>>72309581
... faggot she accused them of harassment and pined two suicide attempts on them. Confidentiality shouldn't matter to people who have the freedom to say whatever they want about their situation since nothing was ever signed to keep things under wraps. Why do you want things to be confidential so bad? Why do you not want more evidence if Elira is actually guilty?

>>72309694
>look for any actual evidence that it was an HR complaint and not a lawsuit
I suppose you have actual evidence that the inverse is true, then?

>>72243601
She's friends with Matara and Henya.
Vshojo will safe her and let her wash away her undeserved bad reputation.

>>72309694
>lawsuit
which are public record, so where is it?
and in what jurisdiction, japan? what a brave girl
the only possible lawsuit is the criminal one against local bullies, and I let's not open this can of worms

>>72309792
Yeah, the fact that she also threatened other members with legal action too and they obviously aren't a company with an HR department to make a complaint to. Also if it was a complaint to HR, there'd be no attempt, it'd have just been sent

>>72309769
>Why do you not want more evidence if Elira is actually guilty?
Because I don't give a shit if she's guilty or not if Doki doesn't want it public. If Doki didn't want to drag people's names through the mud, I'd be willing to respect it no matter what garbage they put her through. I don't want anyone else to have to go through the shit she and Sayu did if it can be avoided. They're losing subs, viewership, and money drastically, which is all the company actually cares about, and that's good enough for me. Doki has never named names, nor has she ever even given an ounce of attention to the idea of publicly outing or shaming anybody.

>people ITT trying to debate with a sister that’s spewing the same two talking points in bad faith over and over again
Guys, just stop. Just laugh at them and move on.

>>72309792
Yeah, she stated several times that she was in contact with lawyers. HR's job is to avoid lawsuits. If you're already talking to lawyers, HR has failed its job and is no longer necessary. Her requests to look into the harassment were HR complaints. Her request to have her contract terminated were legal ones.

>>72309918
I asked for actual evidence, not your schizo fantasies. Try again.

>>72309971
>involving lawyers=filing a lawsuit

>>72310025
If there's legal action being threatened and documents that only lawyers are supposed to see, obviously the document was not sent to HR. Is there any logic behind an HR complaint being only supposed to be seen by lawyers and why Selen would write threaten to write different individual HR complaints against other members too?

>>72310077
That's... what?
She never mentioned lawsuits. Lawyers draft contracts, anon. Lawyers can also terminate them.

>>72310237
She and Nijisanji mentioned legal action.
>legal action: A phrase that primarily refers to the act of bringing a lawsuit, prosecution, or judicial proceeding to obtain some sort of legal remedy or to ascertain or protect a legal right.

And with that, this retarded narrative is dead. Move on and get back to arguing how Selen is the only one to be trusted in a company with 30+ people

Tell me nijiniggers, why do you return to the razed battlefield you were defeated on? You lost. Go home.

>>72310355
Yes. The remedy is terminating the fucking contract so she doesn't have to sit in the graduation queue for 6 months like Pomu and Mysta.

>>72310469
Don't tell you don't know how to read definitions now. The legal action couldn't have been prosecution so it could have only been a lawsuit since a judicial proceeding is only when a judge is in charge of passing judgement. So it was a lawsuit, stop arguing about law

>>72310369
Their oshi is the company and they can't possibly understand why the fanbase of the top female NijiEN memeber (and the community as a whole) keeps supporting her and not Riku's gang, so they're running around like headless chickens trying to make some retarded counternarrative stick.

>>72310700
I'm honestly baffled each day with all the new fields you manage to be fucktarded in.
I'm guessing you're also the idiot who thinks that ANYCOLOR's stocks being priced higher means they're better than COVER's somehow?

>>72310700
>in a lawsuit
>sends a bunch of docs that will be used as evidence, allegedly without making sure all of confidentiality is in place
anon, this hill is barren, don't die on it

>>72310140

>>72310135

>>72310878
There really is no world in which any of their narratives ends up looking good for the company, is there?

>>72243752
If you're talking about dearsqn that was Pomu, dumbass.

>>72311658
Their dancing video was lame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2aerbU2XCc

>>72311727
Holy fuck she's TINY. I thought people were joking about how small she is. Dear lord. That woman is portable.

>>72311727
why does she always cover her face as if people don't know what she looks like

>>72289312
You never know what people are like behind closed doors (you retard)

>>72310878
A potential lawsuit isn't a lawsuit, retard.