/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I know nothing about them and have never even seen a clip of them. What is their average CCV?

>cuck corpo
No thanks. Nene is a whore.

I only watch the cute detective girl

>>72247243
Surely you've heard of their flagship talent Nene Amano.
300 to 400 ccv

>strong
An entire gen walked out on them and it took them a whole year to recover some of the trust. They're doing better, but strong is not a word to be used.

>>72247215
Check out Hiyori Mokami she's pure sugar and It's not even close!

>>72247215
lots of high 2views in this corpo right? I gotta wonder how they manage to stay aflot? lots of venture capital I suppose, there is no way neets on 4chan are single handedly paying for all of their salaries

>>72247215
Didn't this corpo have a massive yab that could potentially sink the company's rep and Nene had to use her PR skill to say how much she loves KawaiiPro ?

>>72247215
>cuck company
>black company
>sold to jap boomer suits to avoid getting shut down after losing an entire gen of vtubers
they are going to way of PRISM in a year lmao

>>72247273
Which corpo do you watch that doesn't make you a "cuck"?

>>72247215
this you?

>>72247562
They got bought out by a Japanese media company last year.

>>72247983
NTA, but none. Take the indie pill, anon.

>>72247972
That's what they said after the traitor whores walk out, yet here we are, kawaii can survive a nuclear war.

>take the indie pill
the indie pill:

Shame about the perpetual state of /pkg/

They are spinning their wheels going nowhere. stuck in neutral.
just like PRISM.

I guess good for Reina and Lua that they will get 100k by the end of the year

More of "the indie pill".
I really like that phrase actually.
This one's actually when a corpo chuuba decided she was going indie.

>>72248146
indies are upfront about it, corpos like kawaii are full of OF whores larping as le pure quirky anime girl to squeeze retarded unicorns money

>>72248182
is there any general that actually makes anyone want to watch their girls

>>72248200
Hell no. Prism has a totally different vibe. I don't even think any of their soon-to-be indie girls ever got 3D. That's at least one thing kawaii can boast about amidst the other disasters they've created

>>72248263
Nah. I think you're just trying to partake in a hobby you hate.

>>72247215
You talk pretty big talk for a company that had an entire gen walk out on you and merely decided to let you live with your reputation intact.

>>72248236
you seem to forget that your "pure corpo girls" were indie once and did the exact same thing

Bring Aruru back and I'll consider it

>>72248289
False equivalence. /pkg/ is hard bad. Never seen another general like it. Sure the others have antis but they do other stuff too. /pkg/ is like constant antis. A whole gen walking out would do that to ya. Also Berylfags

>>72248299
3D is a meme and not indicative of anything.
Nobody in Phase has real 3D, and they are 10x the corpo kawaii are. Nene would have the 28th best viewership in phase connect

>>72248308
you shit on indie vtubers, that's like 90% of the hobby bro, corpos are irrelevant as fuck now beyond Holo

>>72248331
Do tell. You got any tweets like that from kawaii PLs? I'm waiting

>>72248044
Ah yes the Ocean girl. Supposed to be Kawaii Top dogs. Then they decided to terminate her for apparently doxxing the members and Nene was so pissed that she saw her as Kawaii number 1 enemy and spammed "I love Kawaii family" for a week

>>72248449
weren't you there for the ephemira debuts? you don't know what you're asking for

>>72248409
Pippa has proper 3D.
Also Nene would not be last, she beats a couple Phase members.

>>72248289
Literally every general on this board is filled with schizos and freaks. The only exception to that is generals for JP chuubas and that's only because each of those threads have like 3 people total that understand Japanese and so most of the thread is just image dumps.

>>72248409
Nice 3D LMAO

>>72248449
kawaii current flagship talent was a literal cosplay whore selling her ass on patreon for money, come on now

>>72247215
NO ANON DONT JINX IT YOU DONT KNOW WHAT POWERS YOU TOY WITH

>>72248146
>>72248236
I found out how they harvest their indie pills

>>72248370
>antis
You're getting one guy'd hard, though. There's a Nene anti that literally lives in the thread and cuckposts about all the girls day every day.
Other than that it's the regular amount of drama trannies that are ready to jump out at anyone for anything, but that's any general.
But I understand that a single guy or two can ruin a small general, it looks bad from the outside.

>>72248518
>proper
nigga it looks like awful ps1 3d. phase has poverty 3d.

>>72248494
I was, but I've yet to see any tweets from them narrating sexual encounters with their partners. Feel free to share them though

>>72248518
who? perpetual stragglers Iori, Nasa and Michiru are bigger than Nene now

>>72248563
Yes and this one guy has trained the entirety of /pkg/ so when a regular anon asks a question they mention Nene unprompted and look deranged because they are so used to arguing with that guy they forgot how to communicate with normal people.

>>72248616
NTA but one of the graduated talents talked about her sexual encounters on stream, technically kawaii doesn't have a spotless record on that front either

>>72248369
i need an awuwu and charzu collab like cloudtomos need to go on a diet

Kaya was a good hire

>>72248289
/pxl/ and /v4m/ are good generals and their corpos are leagues better than kekwaii lmao

>>72248518
pippa doesn't have proper 3d.
however, people are suspecting phase 3d is coming. gen3 all had the same goal of a 3d concert and some gen1 girls are going to japan this year with people suspecting they will be training 3d while there

Ephemira, especially Hiyori, Kohaku and Tomoe are all good hires.

>>72248850
are you telling me that Pippa will actually stuff her slenderman limbs into a mo-cap suit and not have it be done again by a little chinese acrobat boy from taiwan (according to Lumi)

>>72248846
They're not even a year old. They already have GFE chuubas though, so give them time to mindbreak the unicorns who never learn.

>>72248595
What? No, Tenma is the one with PS1 3D (and it's intentional).
Does Pippa have a PS1 3D model too? I haven't seen it.
>>72248635
Remilia comes to mind, she'd be under Nene.

>>72248850
Phase is Niji level now, their proper 3D is around the corner

>>72248943
Talking about v4mirai btw, I don't know what pxl is
Point is with enough time generals will degrade, already happening to EIEN thread

>>72248993
EIEN was doomed by schizo riiflings and the Kiki yab (kawaii has the same yab btw). It was a good general until drama hit them.

>>72248993
EIEN was born shit with its coomer audience. They haven't been able to shake them despite the camwhore flaming out after two months.

>>72248972
Sakana didn't build his company from nothing to throw away $100,000 on 3D. 3D is such a money pit for small corpos how are they ever going to make that money back?

>>72249097
he threw it away on a dead japanese generation, he's not good with money.

>>72248044
>a whole graduated gen
black company

>>72249059
who in kawaii sold their bf's chair?

>>72249162
>dead
it's not dead lmao they are doing well

>>72249173
at least two kawaii girls have confirmed boyfriends who mod for them

>>72249162
>dead jp gen
Nene you literally can't stop seething at Hana's success LOL

What about your actually DEAD gen3?

>>72249097
all phase would have to do is announce they are doing a community drive to get company 3d. sell voice packs where 100% of the money goes towards 3d.
they would reach the goal easily.

then roll out 3d by gen. gen1, gen2, invaders, gen3, jp.

>>72249234
so not the same yab. you already knew that tho.

>>72247215
Isla Coleman is the best!

>>72247361
Anon, that is the definition of strong. Other corpos have shut down for less than that.

>>72249445
Charlotte Suzu is the best!

Why would Phase even be relevant in this thread? They've moved past small corp status.

>>72249569
I guess Vreverie is stronger than Kawaii based on your logic.

>>72249647
I mean, they've been around for pretty long now, haven't they? If they can get back on their feet with three talents left that'd be pretty amazing.

>>72247562
Bumped up a bit to regular 3views for most girls at this point. It ain't Phase, but it's something.

>>72249817
Bestie is the only one that ever mattered. She is the Shiki of Vreverie.

>>72249817
>with three talents left
anon...

>>72249642
Yuno how it is with Phase shills
Phase are kawaii friends though so it's alright

>>72248044
>Enchant Asia

>>72247983
Hololive

>>72248044
Based collective graduations, small corpos should all disband and give the IPs to the talents. Only Holo and Phase have a reason to exist as corpos.

>>72249991
I see

>>72249366
>it's fine if they have a boyfriend mod as long as they don't sell their chair
Kawaii corpocucks, ladies and gentlemen. And they have the gall to shit on "whore" indies.

>>72248044
Sex with Sava!

>>72250401
>goalposts moved to the stratosphere
you said "same yab as kiki" and got mad when the yab was, in fact, not the same

>>72250432
You don't stand a chance if you're not Norwegian.

>>72250525
you don't deny the boyfriend part... grim for kawaii cucks, nice GFE lmao

>>72250696
I accept your concession

>>72248146
people got banned for posting this in the retro thread for some reason

>>72247215
is NijEn a kawaii friend?

>>72250432
i liked this soap eating whore, her model was great too

>>72250953
Yes. Elira is friends with Reina.

>>72249097
>500thousand leafbucks initial investment seed money is nothing
ogey

>>72250932
kek, I assume it's because they'd only post it to stir shit

>>72249833
good for them, i can respect the grind, they've been at it for 3 years, lots of indies quit in a menhera doomspiral of numberfagging when they realize they're not the next pippa on the 3rd consecutive month of half assed phoned in 15 hours of streaming

>>72250980
her current model is her kawaii model but 10x hotter, too bad she's still a grifter

>>72251065
i disagree

>>72251061
part of the problem was management not advertising for the longest. When they started doing it you see graphs like this

>>72249817
>three
>He doesn't know
anon... sushi graduated and her jannies spammed her indie pl in chat and the new girl is on perma hiatus
It's literally just Nova

>>72251111
sava's old model was a mess in that is actually looked messy and ugly
it was one step better than magni
literally a debuff

>>72251214
Oh... that sucks. I'll be honest I only ever really followed Erika.

>>72251292
how is this a mess?
>>72250432

>>72248044
>>72248313
>Hana graduated within the first few months
>Management lied to Hana Flores about being able to get her a Japanese visa (she quit when that wasn’t the case)
>Neena was double dipping with a separate twitch account and got fired
>told her private discord to follow her separate twitch account but not to say anything to management
>Aruru quit soon after
>and then started streaming again
>Oceane was allowed to doxx/shit talk the rest of gen 3 10 times, before management bothered to interfere. Coincidentally she only got booted after she doxxed Nene
>Gen 3 walkout
>Company made a video shitting on the gen 3 talents after they left
>Shit talks graduated talents even today (Nene made a comment during her donothon about how unlike other girls she wasn’t going to just run with all the money, after their concert they also criticized gen 3, Nene’s spergout because a fan artist drew all of gen 1 including the now graduated Hana Flores. Like imagine if Bae got mad at her viewers for drawing a piece with all council members including Sana.
>Coincidentally Hana Flores and other graduated members who left on good terms’ archives got nuked without warning just after Nene’s spergout, and without the knowledge of said former talents.
>Former gen 3 members heavily alluded to on their new personas that they would have liked to do a proper goodbye and explain their reasons for graduating to their fans, but weren’t allowed to by management
>3D was entirely funded by fans through a kickstarter
>Concert was entirely funded by fans through similar means
>Management is known for doing absolutely nothing (not wanting to deal with Oceane, relying on fans to fund their projects, Nene being in charge of zoom meeting discussing the course of things, one member was stressed out because she didn’t know how to deal with taxes and such and management didn’t do anything to help with that)
>Gen 3 confirmed they were forced to do donothons by management, despite not wanting to
>Gen 3 were isolated and not allowed in the same discord as the other talents for half a year
>Gen 4 was hired from the fan discord and had zero budget
>Gen 5 is all niji sisters who got rejected by bigger corpos
They are now owned by some japanese multimedia corp because they were in debt after gen3 left. Since then they jacked up their prices, increased donobegging and will probably close down within a year or two because they offer nothing of value to their investors. It's budget Holo with 0.1% of the fanbase and all the problems of retarded small corpos. Stay away and pray the talents get to keep their IP once this shitshow finally dies, some of them are decent.

>>72251540
I don't agree that her model was a mess, but it was overdesigned

>>72251540
look at it with the clothes on, it looks like vomit

>>72251659
least obsessed kawaii anti
who keeps up with this much shit kek
aletta had god tier model tho, her indie one is so bad

>>72251723
>>72251751
i dont care about clothes, new outfits fixes that problem easily, the fair and hair are what is important because that is something that won't ever change, i refuse to watch an ugly vtuber

imho, sava had a really cute face + hair

>>72251768
>god tier model
I hear this a lot but I find it boring. It's just a girl with white hair. Gen 5 is much better imo.

>>72251659
based whorseposter, V-Dere is the real kawaii company

>entire generation leaves
>merch noticeably improved
Not even hating. Just saying kawaii fans should demand higher merch quality than 1 sided standees if the suits are going to make your oshi do a donothon for it

>>72247215
>3+ years of activity
>3D and concerts
>4 active gens
>Survived a gen walkout
>Produced original songs
>Convention appearances
>Investor group backing

>Still hasn't made a dent
They don't have the wow factor. Even top dog Nene has a recurring pattern of people picking her up, finding her to be samey and dropping her. Kawaii also has the worst place for candid conversation about the company with schizos galore, plus it's confirmed some of them browse /vt/ so they're constantly exposed to the awful shit /pkg/ and catalogue threads post or possibly responsible for the schizo as a method of venting, they're always going to be leashed to their shortcomings rather than looking ahead.
I don't have much faith in new gens doing well either since they are definitely going to be kept on a short leash after gen 3, with old gens being helicopter mentors and conforming them to their extremely safe and stagnant model. The new detective girl is basically shaping up to be a younger model Nene.

>>72251659
Based masterful baiter conflating facts with catalog rrats
Kawaii really has the most dedicated antis

>>72251659
Gen 3 walkout is the only good Anti-Kawaii argument on your list.
Everything else is hearsay, the worse interpretation, or petty drama and the other graduated or terminated talents all have plausible reasons for why them leaving was the right decision. For those reasons, it is not enough to grant Kawaii the title of Black Company. There are too many unknowns. Consider posting a more concise summary in the future.

>most small corpos get exposed as black companies by their graduated/terminated talents
>to this day none of the talents who left kawaii had a single argument against the corpo
we stay winning

>>72251768
Nuletta would be ok if her face wasn't so tiny, Aletta had a vacant expression to it that allowed her to play tsukkomi and boke at the same time in her skits

>>72248263
We need more western AVtubers. Theres not enough

>>72251659
im subbing to nene right now

>>72251659
90% of this is just assumptions you've made and forced conclusions

>>72252113
>>72223750
June

>>72251659
based anti schzo

>>72251659
>Gen 5 is all niji sisters who got rejected by bigger corpos
Actual proof that Gen5 likes Nijisanji or did you just make it up because you have nothing bad to say about them

>>72252164
they recruited the chair girl? i wouldn't even go near her even if was just to get my rocks off, my penis actually retracts just thinking about her, what the fuck were they thinking?

>>72252049
A full gen walkout mean black company, sorry kawaiifag. Well run corpos don't get 4 talents firing themselves and 1 talent doxxing everyone and getting away with it for months because she was making good money.

>>72252183
One of them was in Nijisanji, and I'd wager she's not a huge fan.

>>72251659
>>Former gen 3 members heavily alluded to on their new personas that they would have liked to do a proper goodbye and explain their reasons for graduating to their fans, but weren’t allowed to by management
So did they speak their truth after they reincarnated or did they clam up after there was no clout to mine?

>>72252232
Why would a black company allow under contract talent to walk out? Why not go V&U on them?

>>72252183
their PLs got doxxed on debut, they are niji fangirls and one of them went to the Enna M&G. He could have brought up their bf yabs too but it wasn't relevant to vtubing.

>>72252294
Kawaii didn't have the money to go after them, VNU is backed by KR gov. and gooks are notoriously petty, much more than japs at least.

>>72247215
FOOOOOOOOOREEEEEEEEVER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abWJga7Tu1g

>muh Oceane doxxing
Peony doxxed Aletta live on stream lmao

>>72252213
It's more like the door is open for her because they were genmates who got along well but she would be an idiot to actually take her

>>72252232
Where does this stuff about Oceane being allowed to get away with it for months even come from?

>>72252593
Peony Aeria (now Airi Viridis in Vdere) talked about it, even current kawaii talents confirmed Oceane was up to no good for a long time.

>>72248936
The one instance in which I'll trust Lumi, the lemon stealing whore. Getting Pippa to go outside is such a daunting task, only her [REDACTED BY SEANIGGER JANNIES] can do it

>>72248313
And yet they managed to attract 9 more talents to join them. Past is the past bro.

>>72247215
Everyone ITT should be aware of Yuno Hanaki of the Yuno Hanaki channel. She is the Pride and Soul of Production kawaii and it's not even close!

https://youtu.be/aEj_91O3nQY?t=7581
https://youtu.be/aEj_91O3nQY?t=7581

>>72251659
>doesn't mention Isla Coleman getting doxxed, and almost forced to graduate, by her own fans
doxxknight wrote this lol

>>72252736
>The fabled jingling keys collab

>>72251659
This looks like a list of rrats because of how long the list is, but it's actually pretty rratless and a comprehensive summary of shit about Kawaii. None of this makes Kawaii a black company, just an incompetent one with dubious gains for joining.
>Management is known for doing absolutely nothing
This is my takeaway about Kawaii. Shit like not running ads and when the talents talk about doing the legwork for projects themselves, but kawaii still wanting a significant cut of their work. As far as I'm aware, nobody in gen 3 has grudged about the other girls in Kawaii, they just wanted to cut the middleman out and Kawaii damaged their own reputation by going full retard when terminating them.

>>72252666
She said they knew all along?
You can find out someone was pulling shit and had been doing for a while without knowing at the time.

>>72248313
Holy ESL Batman

>>72252895
Peony knew she did it 10 times

>>72252736
fuck that's hot

>>72253055
And she provided solid evidence to management at the time and they didn't care because she made a lot of money?

>>72252736
I prefer peekaboo
https://youtube.com/shorts/nHl_-pxFKf4

>>72252879
They hated Oceane for doxxing them but it was company wide, management was lenient on her because she was the money maker and rising star (until Aletta surpassed her). Kawaii letting Oceane run wild was one of the reasons Gen3 grew even closer and started resenting them as a corpo.

>>72253316
>not even using her mommy voice

>>72252879
They didn't terminate them, they released them at their own request after trying to negotiate for them to stay.

>no yabs
>entire gen deleted

>>72253391
literally nobody in the thread has said no yabs.

>>72253391
god this model is so good

>>72252232
>It's 2023
>Idol is spamming ads
>It works
>Rin and co. get a massive boost in subscribers
>Rin surpasses Pippa in subs
>Phase follows suite and also spams ads but they are still behind Idol
>Kawaii Gen 3 sees this and asks management to spam ads
>No way bitches, we broke AF
>Gen 3 walks out and forms V-Dere as a company to run their own Idol-style ads
>Kawaii owners cannot recover after walkout
>Sell Kawaii to a conglomerate
>Conglomerate runs ads
Old Kawaii not running ads doesn't mean that they were black, just that they were poor.

>>72253331
I thought Kawaii did warn Doxxane and kept trying to give her second chances like it was just a mistake and demonstrating their incompetence further by treating a doxx like a slap on the wrist rather than an immediate lawsuit and termination

>>72253316
what a sad and mediocre attempt.

>>72253378
Semantics, they still pulled the trigger on them without giving them a proper graduation process and had the previous gens do a sympathy PR stream for management

>>72252697
>talent roster of discord users and nijifans
People who don't care how bad they are treated and people who dream of becoming a bitch as some sort of woman empowerment fantasy. Yeah nice new hires.

>>72252306
>and one of them went to the Enna M&G
holy fucking grim

>>72252164
Can't wait

>>72253391
weird vacations in europe count as a yab and multiple breaks count as another

>>72253669
Very much not semantics, as it implies the impetus on them leaving came from kawaii rather than the girls themselves.

>>72253593
A completely sane and rational thing to say over vtubers babying their audience.

>>72253763
Conceded, they still went full retard

>>72250996
it was 50 thousand. where did you even come up with that number?

Talent-run pseudocorpos are the future of EN vtubing

>>72254509
Why do I hear so much about Elia and Spica on this board and nothing about the other two?

>>72254509
reminder that miryu quit because she's a mindbroken feminist who didn't want big tits

>>72248409
3D is vtubing in it's purest form, newfag.

>>72254721
I don't know how you haven't heard anything about the pee crystal making menhera leader of vdere bro. Airi really is not that remarkable though.

>>72254721
mozzu should be in /vrt/ now

>>72254509
>Four weirdos that like meetings and organising things.
The recruitment pool for a group like Vdere is extremely small.

>>72249931
nobody wants to be kawaii friends.

>>72254509
Are Sava, Peony and Aletta just creatively bankrupt?

>>72247215
>new debuted to sub 1k subs, still not past 5k
yeah they're doing great sis

>>72254509
If you have the mods and discord groups already, that's halfway to a corpo startup. All you need is actual managers for projects and marketing spot for placement.

>>72255188
yes. i only watch spica because she actually does decent music streams and doesnt rely on coombaiting and fake gfe. airi is okay too but she feels fake.

>>72255239
>subs
>mattering
lmao

>>72254808
its funny how when you watch 6 year old kizuna ai videos they are more expressive than many current 3ds, corporate or indie. it helps that her VA was very in tune with her model compared to a lot of vtubers these days. Why dont more vtubers use the same tech?

>>72255239
They got culled a lot predebut. CCV and member opening went well

>>72255394
the cope lmao

>>72252736
is this actually a fetish for people?

>>72254509
dead thread kek

>>72255239
It's funny how Subs work, the new idol gen had over 10k predebut however they get less CCV than Ephemira who is hovering around 3k subs.
Subs don't mean shit.

>>72247243
40ccv

>>72255761
Why you gotta lie?

>>72251315
>All of ex-vreverie has made a comeback
>Erika still shows no signs of life anywhere
I can't fucking take it bros

Watch my tenshi wife and queen of Vtubing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9SP3HO_ds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9SP3HO_ds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN9SP3HO_ds

>>72255826
The question was about the average of the company. You posted an ongoing live stream of the girl with the most subs. Try doing that with anyone from Hanamizuki.

>>72247215
i dono if yuno but should check out Tomoe from the latest gen Ephemira, if you are someone who recognizes singing talent you will most definitely appreciate her

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ty2XFJHds0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ty2XFJHds0

>>72255977
Nene is a whore and deleted Hana's VODs

>>72247215
black company with on life support you mean

>>72247894
yes lots of them

>>72255977
Sexy model but she has next to nothing for commentary, just throwing out 3 year old twitter memes like
>you live like this
>look at the drip

>>72248763
Honestly at this point convicts are the free space on yab bingo. That island ain't right I tell you hwat.

>>72250401
Kawaii fans are a single sneez away from being a full blown legit cult. With how they act and talk they could givescientologists a run for their money

>>72256242
When you stream 10 times a week for thousands of hours you kinda run out of jokes
"drip" is not a meme though, it's just zoomer vernacular

>>72256480
you're just saying things with zero basis. a fanbase like hololive or nijisanji is more cult-like than any small corpo.

>>72251659
i like you straight shooters are underappreciated

>>72255335
NTA, but subs do play a big part in growing your channel down the line. You might think that their viewership looks good for a small channel, but then you'll start noticing that their ccv won't grow that much with special streams like collabs, announcements or events. No ccv boost means no new fans, which means no ccv boost, which means no new fans, and so on. Numbers breed more numbers after all. Pretending that subs don't matter is retarded.

>>72256523
And yet most members of holo are able to keep up the momentum, this isn't the great defense you think it is, anon

>>72252067
how much cope do i need to believe this lie
bold play anon lets see if it works out

>>72251182
Wait, they're actually advertising Kawaii girls now?

>>72255688
What? Idol gen 2 get twice as many or more viewers than Ephemira. Roca had over 1000 in her karaoke yesterday.

>>72256585
you would like that to be true kawaii cultist save your propaganda talk for a dumb nigga born yesterday not me

>>72252276
What clout is there to mine from Kawaii or being ex-Kawaii?

>>72257216
all kawaii can do is lie and cope about shit they are desperate

>>72257307
That catalog thread shitposter is Mr Kawaii himself?!

What happened to the v-dere general?

>>72257216
I'm 100% sure that guy confused idol with some other small corpo that debuted a gen recently.

>>72257233
The clout that makes picrel possible

>>72257387
they saw /pkg/ and decided it was better to die than to share a space with kawaii and its retarded cuck fans constantly cocksucking that corpo

>>72257387
dragon and whorse are posted in /corpo/ i think, the other two are nobodies

>>72248044
>hana flores
>literally flower flowers
Deserved to die to be honest

>>72257387
Dead. That tells you everything you need to know right there. Fuck traitors and fuck gen 3. I'm still watching Nene and gen 5 is pretty good too.

>>72257585
are you dumb? /vdere/ by definition was people from /pkg/

>>72255992
And you cherrypicked the weakest gen in the company. At a time when Kaya is on vacation, Yuno has been sick, and Ran had a power outage

>>72257230
your definition of cult-like is "people who defend their corpo on 4chan", which is pretty silly.

>>72257545
still laughing at whorsekeks who paid almost 70k for that comedically low quality thigh pic

>>72257880
>pic
So it was just 1 picture? Jesus these prices are obscene. How can anyone support these people? I guess that's why their thread is dead.

>>72247562
Nene, Shee, Isla, and I think Lua are solidly 3view status, some of the new girls consistently maintain 3view CCV but it's too soon to be set in stone. I think Tomoe and Kohaku at least will remain that way though

>>72257789
kawaii has no fans /here/, only antis. They deserve it honestly, dogshit corpo and dogshit fans.

>>72258106
>kawaii has no fans /here/, only antis.
Repeating a lie a thousand times doesn't make it true

>>72258063
https://twitter.com/EliaStellaria/status/1766457116242411807/photo/1
this costed 60 thousand dollars. 60. thousand. dollars

>>72257387
Not enough streams to discuss nor posters to engage with, a single kawaii-fag was responsible for 50% of the posts and it was just whoreposting.

>>72258181
What did feetfags pay for Pippa's reveal?

>>72258063
kawaii allows patreon with retarded prices for trash rewards, overpriced shitty merch that takes years to ship and they still do donothons and other donobegging streams. You can't really shit on Vdere for being gold diggers when kawaii is the definition of a jewish small corpo always trying to extract money from fans using cute uwu girls as a front. Not even Idol gets to their level.

>>72258327
>trying to extract money from fans using cute uwu girls as a front
That's this entire industry nigga

>>72258282
that was her 100k reward, they didn't pay for it. she did it twice too, not that the photo/clip was particularly high quality

>>72258181
that's a man.

>>72258282
Nothing. The only Phase girl that whored her body out for money was Panko.
Pippa and Lia did feet reveal at 100,000 subs so it was free of cost
Panko said "give me $5000 more and I will show feet" because she is a whore.

>>72258327
>jewish small corpo always trying to extract money from fans using cute uwu girls as a front.
Which vtuber corpo isn't doing this?

>>72258181
I'll take your word for it. I've blocked/muted all the traitors. I refuse to support traitorous whores and their deranged fans that hurt my favorite girls in any way. I won't give them a single click.

>>72257870
you would also like that to be the case but its not why i call kawaii a cult

>>72258156
You're right, there'll always be traitorfag >>72258502

>>72258106
>anti declares small vtuber corp deserves to be anti'd
wow, what a surprise, and from such a stable individual too.

>>72258538
why are you being so coy about it, faggot?

>>72251659
A lot of this is just factually wrong. I guess your average dramasister will see and believe it anyway.

>>72258363
>>72258459
This is cyberlive-level pathetic but their fans eat it up. You aren't allowed to bitch about Elia's 70k dollars donothon when this shit happens in your corpo, for multiple talents. Bear in mind that they switched from Fanbox to Patreon just to increase prices, almost x2 for the same tier which was already way overpriced compared to other creators doing similar things.

>>72258805
>crops out the cheaper tiers
No one is putting a gun to your head to subscribe bro

>>72253985
The traitors did, yes.

>>72251971
>Older women (sex btw) tardwrangling younger women
I see no issue with this

>>72258857
No one is putting a gun to your head to donate to elia's donothon bro

>>72259110
True, but donating 5 figures is a different scale.

>>72253511
What makes a vtuber want to doxx her companymates?

>>72259021
>so impressed by her kohai's tits she shoves them in your face

>>72258084
i feel like at some point all yt streamers started to see a CCV boost, like within the past 4 months, i wonder if they are just inflating the numbers like twitch to make it more appealing to streamers

>>72259239
they started counting adblocking viewers towards CCV

>>72259278
jeesus i wonder how high the hololive ccv went after that

>>72258805
Yup mind you they will actively lie about this side of there corpo and try to frame it like this >>72258857
but the reality is the the whole damn thing is a money grift especially for nene amano

>>72259335
i recall seeing someone post the gem girl in /pkg/ a couple of days ago and she had over 30k CCV

>>72248528
Have phasecucks forgiven shiina for wonton and her grifting?

>>72259431
she's a 4view so the answer speaks for itself

>>72259021
Seriously what is that guy's problem? Getting your successful talents to teach and wrangle your new ones makes perfect sense. Nene knows what the viewers like. Koha won't be hurting for money.

>>72254837
We don't want that lying whore there but the schizo baker loves her for whatever reason

>>72259217
>two whores with boyfriends in this pic
grim days for kawaiicucks

>>72259511
If all you're passing down is how to play it safe like Kawaii then they won't ever grow.

>>72259538
How's mozzu a lying whore? Unless you mean the Kawaii graduation. I'm not up to date on her

>>72259819
She and the rest of gen 3 told Reina they wouldn't leave to get her to stop crying at them the same way you would tell a white lie to a child that won't accept no as an answer

Watch my beloved train conductor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUDXgNRcc9g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUDXgNRcc9g

>>72260012
Is she GFE?

>>72251659
go back to pcg

>>72259343
She HATES her fans
https://youtu.be/GCG86t07Mys?t=9721

>>72251659
>>Aruru quit soon after
>>and then started streaming again
Spoonfeed us?

>>72259181
That's what I want to know, what the fuck compelled her? Is she even sorry or just sorry she got caught? Was she set up? It's just such an objectively evil thing to do that no mental gymnastics can get around it.

>>72255880
holo en4. i believe

>>72253511
Nah, what Ocean did wasn't doxxing (no new dox info was released when she was in the company). Nobody from the outside kawaii and kawaii's close circle knew what it was. It was bad enough to get her eventually fire.

>>72260260
>Pomu and Erika in Gen 4
I would go back to not needing indie and small corpos

>>72260246
Nene is an angel

>>72259181
>>72260254
Mentally ill normie was jealous Aletta was more popular. You can tell Oceane thought of otakus as her lessers just from her interactions with chat. It's that simple.

>>72259380
sad to think about just how many people were duped into using Twitch only because they thought they would get better numbers there

>>72247215
Are you a Kawaii anti? I like some of the girls, but this shilling is annoying, probably on purpose.

>>72253447
Phase didn't even run ads until they got fairly big and made enough money to comfortably do so. Sakata was fairly conservative with ads money too.

>>72261194
the didn't run ads until Gen3.
They aren't running ads any more, either.

>>72254509
>>72254930
Bro, their are tons of indies groups like that. There are significantly more of those than small/micro corpo's. They don't usually do any more than just individual indies and eventually fade out as well. Those groups just don't get the chance and privilege/chance to grift a relatively good small corpo and got away the clout/drama exposure boost to get kickstarted.

>>72259819
She wasn't to be trusted even on her Gezu days, shown to be a disgusting person

If some of you goobers could subscribe to Tomoe so she hits 2K this stream I bet she would say a big Yippee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUDXgNRcc9g

>>72261652
not subbing to a black company that terminated a whole gen

>>72261723
Yeah but Tomoe had nothing to do with that.

>terminated
New lie every time you post about this

>>72261723
>terminated
nigga what koolaid are u drinking

>>72261377
People always shit on kawaii for not running ads but Phase themselves barely run it. Phase got more lucky with the algo and got the viral marketing of Pippa to carry them (plus only one girl instead of the whole gen decide to grift them also helped).
kawaii kinda pace and coast along because they don't just pump huge money and expect huge return. They spend what they expect to be able to make back and also slowly build up rewards for girls being in the company for a long time. They spends sometimes on really nice merch or projects that will be a small loss, but make the girls and fans happy.
The trend of throwing tons of ads money on debut on new gen won't last long. It just cost too much and you expect the girls to stick around and maintain a successful career to make up the cost. You have to sacrifice long term projects and support after the ads are done. It also encourage girls to do the minimal amount of contract term (assuming they just don't break it and run) because they got their ads and debut boost and have less reason to stick around when all company resource is spent on the ads for the new upcoming gen instead of them.

>>72262148
Pippa's fans literally only watch Pippa.

>>72251659
I got bored with kawaii trying to square them always ranting about their shit company but then also circling the wagons on the leavers

>>72262326
im still subbed to chizu tho

>>72262293
Not at all. Tenma, Lia, and many phase girls who are willing to be "unhinged" on stream/social media get a bit of boost from pippa's fan as well. Not 100% of Pippa fan watch other girls but a good enough % do and boost their algo/exposure on yt, especially after a pippa raid.

>>72262401
tenma was better before her streams involved listening to pippa blather about rape statistics

>>72262326
me and my oshi against management, me and her corpo against the world

>>72262401
Pippa’s fans havent even seen Lia in a proper collab in almost 1 year.
They dont know Lia.

>>72262492
I like Lia more when she was just a dumb brat playing vidya and being bullied on stream but they got huge number boost pandering a bit to the Pippa's more edgy crowd so I don't really blame them

>>72255335
subs aren't usually the end-all-be-all, but they are when you're sub 1k.

>>72261377
Didn't they run ads for the JP branch?

>>72261652
This girl is pretty neat

>>72247215
it doesnt exist anymore anon, its just a shell, over time it will have to dissolve or change radically to something more generic.

>>72263902
they run ads for new gens and sometimes for music

Watch my hag oni wife
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAL3CnHvBA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAL3CnHvBA8

>>72264489
YUNO MOMMY

>>72252666
Yes, but the Vdere girls all conspired to get her fired, because they didn't want anyone to be left in gen 3 once they quit.

>>72253447
No, it was Jap autism. For whatever reason all Japanese VTuber corps are against running ads on YouTube.

>>72259181
Jealousy

>>72264489
>instant noomber debuff due to green woman curse
>think very hard about her intro line to make clever pun with her name, even write her own lore about it
>her intro and name pun becomes sort of a meme in the company in the company for both of her senpai and kouhai
Being Yuno is suffering

>>72260246
she is great at the grift i will give her that as a complement

>>72261049
I'm pretty sure it began while she was still ahead of Aletta but I can't imagine that being overtaken helped.

>>72265916
uuuu uuuu
Our souls are connected by fate. I know that.

Go get cucked? No thanks lmao

>>72264489
89ccv at the time i checked grim production kawaii thosecut throat jp investors are not gonna pay for this forever with kind of preformance. No amount of operation nene coombait strategy can save this dog water company you will join the small corpo graveyard soon enough. It has been written over your head for a good long while tiktok tiktok goes the clock

>>72266796

>>72266849
this is any better how lol

>>72266796
Two more weeks amirite. In the meantime, keep frothing at the mouth.

>>72259181
It's bizzare. For context, her only twitter follows besides kawaii chuubas were Marvel, SNL and similar NPC talk shows.
Extreme ambition + being a normalfaggot made her kill what she percieved as competition. I'm pretty sure she hates vtubing and jumped on the hype train, otherwise she'd know that more viewers for your corp = more viewers for you

>>72267060
>keep frothing at the mouth
anon thinks i have rabies

>multiple seacuck general threads
>mio bait thread
>this thread
why are seaniggers so uppity today? did something happen in /pkg/?

>>72268404
Not that unusual when you consider that one or two guys literally live here to cuckpost all day.

>>72258181
Just one? There is no way

>>72255880
Globie, just believe bro

A paypig like prospect theorist who donates 20k+ and dances around alleta’s hands.

>>72275111
kys

>>72259380
That's unironic botting from some fag in /#/. Here's the most recent examples:
https://www.vstats.jp/video/NT03vQZ5ox8
https://www.vstats.jp/video/fu3ehgk7llU

>>72275167
It’s true

>>72275664
i said kys for bumping at the end of page 10, seanigger.

>>72275715
keep seething heh

>>72266849
>>72267060
If a company debuts a new gen and more than half that gen is lower than 1Ffinana, then that's a problem. Hell, the actual Finana is worth 1.5 to 2 Finanas so the value of a Finana has gone up.
66% and 33% of a traditional Finana ain't a good look. 2 chuubas combined CCV equaling 1 Finana ain't a good look.
1 Finana is the standard for corpo chuubas, especially after debut when the honeymoon phase is still shining
Lower than a Finana? Might as well be an indie, keep most of the profit too

>>72261377
Yeah bruh those subway ads don't exist at all bruh
Cheap shit bruh

>>72277119
Most indies streams for 2+ years never breaking 100 ccv or even 50 ccv's anon