/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>72236847
who and who?

Vnuggies status?

>>72236847
I actually just found out about her from this nonsense. She seems funny. I hope the case is over quickly and she can go back to streaming with a drama buff.

>>72236847
The 2 people who watched that girl must be really upset.

qrd? who even is this

>>72236847
>stop speculating
no

>>72236912
Probably jubilating actually.

>>72236847
>three-year exclusive contract
Yikes

>>72236847
>3 year contract
Yeah she's definitely a retard

>>72236847
kek

>>72236951
Considering one asked for an 11k refund and one asked for a 10k refund, they probably are.

>>72236847
>>72237089
ouch
V&U next corpo to die?

her
https://twitter.com/alien_mixture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNwTglVYt3U

>>72236847
She did it to herself. She's a numberfag but also lazy and always cancel streams. She has 4 managers managing her lazy ass. She's wanna be Pippa but only ended up shooting herself on her foot

>>72237001
Some Euro streamer that got hired by a scummy Korean corpo. Felt she was being fucced over(not the good kind) and wanted out of her contract. Opps slaps with half a million USD penalty for breaking contract. But the invoice is shit like paying for staff that don't even work with her and an etc. that ain't got shit in it.
Asked two lawyers what to do, both said to just ghost them. Now they coming after her ass in a country that has tighter labor laws than a virgin in Indonesia. They be thinking of bleeding her dry with legal fees and bullying her, but she can just file for representation from dept of labor and let them handle it.
Any judge would look at that invoice and throw it out the door. And even if they win the case(lol) they have no way of getting the money out of her, anyway. So lol.

>>72236912
vnuggers are celebrating their black corpo won against the "whore"

they try to defend this shitty black corpo by trying to shit on the girl for being a pippa-tier chuuba, which absolutely does not excuse how the agency is handling this shit

>>72237222
>pippa-tier chuuba
She was a successful 4view?

>>72237244
no, just a yab machine but who gives a fuck

>>72237200
>Asked two lawyers what to do, both said to just ghost them
Sounds like she got scammed by those lawyers or those lawyers know that she fucked up. lmao

>>72237244
No, she just had a collab with pippa once and they hated her ever since

>>72237272
Dude she asked for an itemized receipt and it had 22k listed as "et cetera."

>>72236847
>3 year contract
lmao. Do people even read the shit they're signing?

her story was full of shit from the start
https://youtu.be/VGos24A9KQE?t=5758
she only tried to farm dramafags trying to compare herself with dokibird

>>72236847
all of these agencies paint it as some kind of play by play of the drama
why cant they just say "due to differences we have seperated and will pursue legal action" or something
i guess it makes for entertaining drama but theyre a company while the person the agency posts about is a single person and it feels weird

>>72237378
She's a chuuba, they're all retarded and can't read contracts or forward them to a lawyer.

>>72237378
she actually said that she didn't lol

>>72237378
She 100% thought it was going to be easy to get out of

>>72237200
>Some Euro streamer
tranny dramafag do your reps, she was the only american in that corpo

>>72237433
Turns out, it kinda was.

>>72236847
this will definitely pass in court roru rumao

>>72237200
why are you black

>>72236847
wait... Sun dragon? Waat?!
Phase here, by the way

>>72236847
ENTER

>>72237446
>calculated amount
>full breakdown

>>72237106
They Goryeon they not your standard western corpo

>>72237492
You're thinking Suri Solari, same company. I hope she gets out desu.

>>72237514
It gets worse. They want her to pay for half of the salary of every fucking person in the company over several months, even the people who never worked with her.

>sign a 3 year contract
>try to bail after 1 year
>ok here's the fine for breaking contract early
>WHAT THE FUCK TWITTER LAWYERS THEY TOLD ME TO PAY 450K???
Wow, she was even more retarded than I thought.

>>72237577
The fine wasn't part of the contract kek

>>72237407
Its not for her its to send a messeage to the rest of thier talents

>>72237444
isn't everybody a K-American

>>72237598
only like 1/4 of the talents have anything to do with Korea

>>72237089
Please keep your rrats straight. that was for Pochi from idol.

>>72237272
Until the lawsuit it was just a bullshit invoice, ignoring it was the best option

The lawsuit cannot be ignored though, not defending it is an admission of fault and no proof needs to be provided for any of the claims made, no matter how ridiculous

>>72237512
It's funny how he completely missed the part that she signed a 3 years contract huh

>>72237577
It's basically the same as Doki. She could have been the worst employee ever, but they lost as soon as they sent those papers. It's fucking laughable how they thought that kpop bullshit would fly outside of asia.

>>72237545
oh, thanks, Suri seems cool with Phasers

It's worth watching Purple Keem's video on it before judging whether she's in the right or not, first ten minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nISFA7wJHZ4
The etc. is pretty fucking damning that the amount they're asking for is bullshit and opens discussion on how bullshit the rest of their claims might be.

>>72237622
kek and serafi barely got 2.5k during her donothon

>>72236847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_JcM45gaFs

>>72237652
only a fucking tranny can think like this

>>72237666
I don't think it's ever worth dipping Ivan Ooze man into my algorithm

>>72237666
>dramafag
>worth watching
kys

>>72237680
She could have get more if she's not lazy and not cancelling streams lol

>>72237705
NTA but guess I better chop my dick off cause this lawsuit is going nowhere kek

>>72237720
kek

>>72237705
What? I'm a tranny for thinking that a corpo trying to intimidate and bully a company through a bullshit fine that they can't enforce or justify is a sign that they've lost the public trust that they're acting in good faith?

>>72237720

I liked Meeta and Echo... actually fucking wild that the corpo listed "etc" on the fucking invoice

>>72237446
People always mistake wong with remimbi

>>72237763

>>72237622
Fuck my rrats are merging

>>72237666
>Watching a dramafag
Go fuck yourself.

>>72237763
You can still like and watch the talents, but I definitely wouldn't spend a cent on them unless you see their indie.

>>72237758
you're a tranny because you never did your reps and yet you're here with your bullshit take

>>72236847
>ohshitniggerwhatareyoudoing.png
Amazing. Sasuga gookjews.

>>72237720
>>72237729
>>72237850
Oh NOW newstubers are bad huh?

>>72237729
>>72237850
Imagine being so triggered by one dude that you're willing to spend triple the time and effort to learn about something instead of watching a video with all of the relevant information already gathered for you.

>>72237876
Anon, I'm not sure you even know what a tranny is anymore.

>>72236847
USA vs Korea legal battle
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOO

Wait, is that another bitch who tried to quit their company just after doing a donothon? Just like Pochi?

>>72237897
I'm not sure why they even hate him these days. The first 20% of each video is niji yab of the day, and the rest is shilling hololive and random indies. Not much drama there.

>>72237763
If the company is really that bad and the fees are illegitimate, they have no reason to stay there. I guess some people are just better at keeping their jobs.

>>72237617
buy they have eaten the buldak?

>>72236847
So let me see if I got this right.
>she signed a 3 years contract because she didn't read it
>after 1 year she decided to break it by graduating, and by paying the fine
>management told her she's going to get fucked by the fine, she said it's ok
>they tell her how big the fine is, she says she's not paying it, starts ghosting the corp and tells to contact her lawyers
>and then the shitshow right after gen 5 happens, where she does a PL stream shittalking the corp, shows her contract to the lawyer guy and breaks NDA
>so the corp goes after her ass for good
And yet she's in the right in all of this?

>>72237720
It's Morphin' time!

>>72237933
Yeah pretty much, I like hearing headlines about indies and other corps I don't watch, it's such a new industry that there's very few options if you're looking for coverage of it outside of your direct interests.

>>72237407
Because they've invested money in a talent and if they just let them go at the drop of a hat the business is no longer viable.

>>72237577
>the fee is enforceable in court
You stupid fucking nigger, Koreans do this stupid shit all the time and it doesn't work in international courts. You can't just make up fees and expect people to take it.

>>72236847
well well well

>>72237994
>Because they've invested money in a talent and if they just let them go at the drop of a hat the business is no longer viable.

>she makes 2500 dollars
>they charge her 450 thousand dollars.
Something about this math doesn't add up.

>>72236847
>An Asian company is going to learn the hard way that only homegrown American corporations get to fuck over American citizens.

I don't get it. The USA has said it would engage in open military action against the Hague if an American citizen is called before it.
Some pissant company with a contract that the US courts wouldn't wipe their arses with is probably gonna find itself banned from US soil and working with US corporations.

Which includes Twitch and Youtube.

>>72237894
>newstubers

>>72237632
After that Canadian lawyer's stream I don't have any faith in Legal Mindset. He's basically like a TV judge or something. It will be entertaining to watch the fall out of anyone that takes his advice though. I will admit I'm wrong if he turns out to be correct.

>>72237993
/news/ is the thread you need. Good work is being done over there.
>>72237933
It's because all that fag is doing is reading the catalog and monetizing it

>>72237956
ethically she potentially should pay a fee, but the fee they're asking for is inflated and punitive, not accurate to what they actually lost by her leaving

>>72237997
Inflated demands are pretty much standard practice in a legal context. The court will settle on a much lower figure.

>>72237956
>they tell her how big the fine is
The fine is predetermined and defined by the contract.
The fine they handed, which according to lawyers, wasn't part of the definition, and was both illegal and unenforceable. Said fine included the wages of all the staff that worked on her, as well as all the assets and production costs incurred.

So yes, she is right to tell them to go fuck themselves and shame them publicly for the stupid shit they tried to do.

>>72236847
I remember this one. She has cute feet.

>>72237407
>However, since our last interaction, she has engaged in public online activities that have been damaging to the talents and the company.

Guess they felt the need to defend themselves.

>>72238039
Stop being a woman(troon)

>>72238050
>Good work
lol

VUDF are really going hard on Serafi with astroturfing this thread after Pochi got exposed as a grifter, eh? The irony is people zeroed in on Pochi trying to piggyback off Doki when the timing and parallel circumstances of their dispute clearly suggest Pochi was trying to capitalize on Alien Mixture's whisteblowing. The night and day contrast between how Idol and V&U are handling this should tell you enough about how this is going but once again artificial forces are trying to force an apple-oranges narrative to downplay their kuroshi company's wrongdoing.

>>72237577
I'm gonna charge you 20,000 dollars for "Etc."

The moment a judge demands they elaborate on "etc" they're gonna get a legal Hiroshima.

>>72237956
They were really close to doing everything right but unfortunately they got greedy and asked for unnecessary amounts of money for irrelevant things beyond the scope of what her contract entailed. Sucks to let a donothon scammer whore go, but she's right on this one, she doesn't have to pay it. They fucked themselves.

>>72237956
She is right because the corpo probably wont legally get anywhere with this. If a foreign company wants you to sign something ridicilous like that chances are they have zero enforcability as long as you live in your country (in the west)

>>72238050
>Good Work

>>72236847
If this corpo crumbles just to let you know Phase will always be happy to have you as a vtuber or a fan.

>>72238044
LM is not the only lawyer who saw her contract.

>3yr contract.
How's that even a thing in Corpo Vtubing?

Anyway, can anyone here archive >>72237137
and >>72237377 just in case, who knows.

>>72237897
dramafag logic

>>72238050
>good work
>schizo rrats being thrown slapdash at corkboard to see what sticks

>>72238044
he's licensed in Florida, but he's an Internet guy, he cannot possiblu know everything; he's like legal eagle but for based creators, and vtubers

>>72237956
Yes, because most of the haters watched Legal grifter and their favorite dramafags, and now pretends they are contributing anything by being offended. This will all blow over, just like with Kawaii and their Gen 3 deletion.

The Yanks will remind the Gook Nationals who the master of their colonial relationship is.

>>72238071
Post them Anon I beg you

>>72238125
fuck off we're full

>>72238085
>troon

>>72238165
t. Nene

>>72238095
As far as I see, they have no proof for all the shitting on her they do. She seems cool and down to earth from the clips I've seen, and is completely vindicated by the support she's getting.

>>72238050
It's not. I appreciate that there's a general for people to talk about news but it's way more difficult to find out more information beyond the headline, PK usually posts a clip or description of what happened along with the headline.

>>72237956
Anon, how much is "etc" worth?
Swear to Christ I just wanna kill an Asia-practicing lawyer, because the shit they come up with proves they think they're fucking untouchable.

Just imagine going full fucking Warwick Davis on a Japanese Lawyer, or Korean in this case.
My God. I wouldn't have enough Easy-Off Bam! to sterilize the chair when I'm done.

>>72238095
Does V&U even have a big enough audience to have its own defense force?
I just checked a random girl's vod from 2 days ago and it had 3 digits... As in total views, not ccv.
Alien Mixture WITH the drama buff is a low 3view. It's fucking laughable.

>>72236847
And people didnt believe me when I said they would pursue this to the bitter end because they are gooks. Gooks fucking crash planes and kill everyone on board rather than having the copilot and engineer overrule the pilot, sick culture

>>72237894
its bad because now its exposing their fav black company

>>72238044
canadian lawyer had the same conclusion as LM. He just clarified points LM wouldnt have known (being a canadian lawyer regarding canadian law(

All LM is doing is making droll stuff entertaining, but his conclusions are on point

>>72238111
So basically contracts don't mean shit? I don't think that's right either.
Apparently they invested a ton of money on her and her projects so I understand them wanting the fine for breaking the contract 2 years before the agreed time to be so big, but then again it's not like we'll ever see the full contract and we can't even trust that lawyer streamer because he's so incompetent he completely missed the 3 years part.
In the end all I can see this leading to is court agreeing to a much lower fine, which Serafi will probaby bitch at and still refuse to pay anyway so who knows where this will go.

>>72238165
...It never blew over and neither will this.

>>72238209
the etc is their sweat and tears so obviously it's worth a lot, they are a korean corpo after all

>>72238106
No, a judge will see that kind of shit all the time. Courts don't just take the claimants demand for damages and apply it - if he finds her guilty of a contract breach causing financial damage the court will calculate a figure.

>>72238044
...The canadian lawyer didn't refute any of his conclusions, just clarified details.
>>72238239
Probably the most realistic outcome. I'd be surprised if she doesn't have to pay anything, but it's definitely not going to be 450k.

>>72236847
so, basically korean pigs being koreans, idk why people keep drawing a line between north kr and south kr, both are the same shit.

>>72238239
Asian contracts almost always fall short of Western labour rights, and are torn to shreds by Western courts.
Uber had its contracts rendered null-and-void by the Canadian courts.

Uber.
A hundred billion dollars worth of USA got told to go fuck itself, by Canada.

>>72238234
This.

>>72238044
Malfoy was a smug normie ledditor who couldn't even be bothered to properly investigate whether anime girls properly constitute employees but erred on the side of "indie contractor" because anime girl drama is clearly too cringe and beneath him to invest a modicum of actual time and resources into subculturally immersing himself.

>>72238239
>bullshit fine
>so all contracts don't mean shit

no. There are contracts that are legal and enforcable and there are contracts that don't fly when scrutinized in courts of law.

They could have just withheld her pay as is the standard, demanding an exorbitant fee to terminate contract doesn't work (in the US, at least)

>>72237820
yabe

>>72238239
Contracts work if they're legal and reasonable. Gooks have nobody to blame but themselves for their ridiculous retribution shit like this.

>>72238209
Confucian philosophy, man. They just do what their masters say. Different form western philosophy

>>72238297
Well too bad she should haven't signed a contract with an Asian corporation then. She better pray that the western lawyers she'll have to shell out a ton of money for are better than the grifter youtuber so he can bail her out of... literally not reading the contract.

>>72236847
This company is full of shit because they won't deny Serafi's allegation.
Their talents can barely earn $$$ and now they're trying to waste more money suing someone from another country

>>72238234
Malfoy thinks she's a contractor, LM thinks she's an employee

>>72238287
The answer is unironically kpop.

>>72238212
>audience
We dont need to care about their audience, their expenses spreadsheet is public. There are about 4 fulltime employees making 20-30k a year each to market this company, outside of the dozen or so other employees who might do it in their free time.

>>72238165
Unlike this case, kawaii allowed gen3 to walk despite them having 6 months left on their contract. But they got tarred as a black company anyway.

>>72238358
irrelevant to the ultimate point that both agree they cant force her to pay as she is in canada and nijisanji is a jp corpo

>>72238338
Well Master says get in the kiddy chai and wait for me to wash the Warwick off the Heretic's Pear.

>>72237820
They're forming even more rrats

>>72238326
>>72238337
Do contracts in the US not have a fine associated when they're ended before the agreed period? Because that's literally the core of this entire issue apparently, something that Serafi was hiding the entire time for some reason.

>>72237956
>they make demands
>they can't/won't do shit
>just break the contract
It's not inherently wrong, really depends on the fine details whether this is smart or stupid

>>72237622
Oh wait you mean this is ANOTHER whore who ran with the money?

>>72238379
and vice versa (selen cant actually force nijisanji to pay her and it isnt worth it)
The only real place they can do damage to each other is the public sphere of opinion and doki won that and nijisanji cant do shit

>>72238212
IIRC V&U is a subsidiary of a big Korean black Idol Company conglomerate. I am sketchy on the details but V&U definitely has access to the resources to coordinate a hate campaign. And even if we assume they aren't bought-off cybertrolls, Korean entertainment are notorious for their rapidly dedicated stanbases

>>72238193
Not a fan of Nene, especially with how they reacted when the V-Dere. Regardless, a year later and Kawaii still exists, had events, and also had two gens. Twitter drama like this will pass by, and with how lazy Alien Mixture was as a corpo chuuba, sooner than later.

>>72236847
What the fuck is with this weird industry practice of being overly public about this shit?

>>72238432
The legal fine is defined beforehand and covers exactly why it's applied, and not decided upon after the fact on previously undefined terms.

>>72238347
Cunt, the Uber contract was a case of not reading the contract and the Canadian court said that it was utterly Unconscionable, which is an actual legal term, and told them that the level of control that contract had when it WASN'T Unconscionable was so encompassing that Uber Contractors weren't Contractors, they were Employees, and subject to Canadian Labor protections.

It's almost like the courts in the west are used to dealing with predatory corporations, and, if they're from overseas especially, are more than happy to tell them to fuck off.
If you aren't a local lobbying group, your complaints amount to shit. And there's probably a local corporation that would love to fill your niche.

>>72238456
Phase girls Airi and Rie did a stream on this, you can get blacklisted by the entertainment industry in Korea if you fuck up

>>72238495
Things of value being lost by being blacklisted by Korea:

>>72238469
Asian corporations are really fucking stupid and think the west cares about their "social standing" so they think we'll side with them if they explain why their former employees "are just the worst" and "impugned their honour".

>>72238432
They do, but the fine is usually linked to the amount of money that the company loses by not having you employed, rather than demanding that a employee who quits from walmart must now pay for the cost of two replacement freezers, seventeen of the 85 shelves, half of a breakroom table, and 20% of the shift manager's salary.

>>72238347
asian corpos can only touch you if you're in asia or have properties there

Otherwise go fuck yourself

>>72238495
what the fuck? got a link or a vod name? I wanna see this.

>>72238495
NOOOOOOO I CAN'T ENTERTAIN THE MOST PATHETIC MEN IN THE WORLD, THE WORST FEMINISTS IN THE WORLD, AND THE FASTEST DROPPING POPULATION IN THE WORLD.

I'd sooner do entertainment in North Korea than South.

>>72238495
Same shit Hollywood does

>>72238198
>down to earth
Deep inside she's a narcissist

>>72238456
That explains all the shitting on Serafi for essentially no reason.

>>72237763
Echo is so babygirl
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxrWQa8VNtTWxe4LVdlth4dz4P2PztvDlu

>>72238562
I'm absolutely devastated. I shall buy a tiny blimp and set sail above your headquarters in retaliation.
But not before pocketing 80% of the money cuz that shit doesn't grow on trees.

I'm always surprised by how much anons know about international labor laws and etc. Anyways, if this somehow winds up going to court in the US i imagine she'll have to pay SOMETHING for breaking a contract 2 years early

>>72238169
Not worth it, it's just her husband shilling her feet

>>72238178
>toon
show me yours. now.

>>72237622
I don't even know what's going on anymore.
Seems like all of the orgs besides Hololive and Vshojo are on fire.

>>72238549
Why the fuck are Asian corps even hiring people this side of the world then if none of their contracts are worth anything? The entire rest of the corp, as well as everyone in Holo and Niji should just walk out then, it's not like the corps can do anything after all.

>>72238550
it was like November or early December, Rie did "I was a Korean idol trainee", and then a later stream with Airi about crazy fans.

>>72238570
Deep inside South Korea is nothing but a bunch of cunts within cunts within cunts and I'm glad they're going extinct.

Swear to Christ I wanna dangle a Starcraft 96 Hour Gaming Session over a cliff so they can run after it like lemmings.

these talentless hacks really need to start getting it through their heads that if they couldn't make it as an indie then trying to take a shortcut by selling their soul isn't going to fix their problem.
in what universe do you suck at your job so bad you decide you NEED to sign on with a fucking company in korea or japan to get ahead? thats about when you should be realizing its time to change careers, streamer or otherwise.
get a real job and stream as a hobby bitch.

>>72238550
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdZgM4Jvijw
haven't seen Airi's

>>72238606
They can still do things like withhold pay that you worked for. That one is entirely their prerogative

>>72238563
America is a much bigger market, you can be a vtuber and be outside Hollywood just fine

>>72238495
Don't worry, Rie is used to being blacked

>>72238574
If you're talking about /vnug/, that's just astroturfing.

>>72237930
Yes. And she's the only one who has had any of the issues she was trying to complain about. She's a lying dumbass just like Pochi.

At this point I half want her to just do the hand sign and get it over with. They ain't got shit.

>>72238646

>>72238537
>corp invests a fuckton of money on a talent because she signed a contract saying she'll be there for 3 years
>bails after 1 year
>so they demand the money they invested on her back
I mean it doesn't seem that farfetched to me.

>>72238678
Anon do you really think they invested 450k on a brand new IP when their current talents are low 2views?

>>72238672
Based hime

>>72238678
anon out here telling me that some low 3view had half a million us invested into her

>>72238606
Nobody has given them an actual pushback yet.
The moment a US based, homegrown Idol Corp gets going the Asians will be taken to task on everything, just to destroy any competition. And there are some starting up.

Asia forgets that the USA destroyed Japan's economy with the Plaza Accord because Japan's economy was in competition with their own.
They forget that the USA threw Huawei out of US soil, are pretending the USA isn't throwing Tiktok out of US internet space unless the USA is allowed to buy it.

>>72238035
>The USA has said it would engage in open military action against the Hague if an American citizen is called before it.
lol, the USA says many things. This, is just NK tier posturing. They wouldn't do shit except scream and threaten if this ever happened

i dont understand why arent there more american or canadian vtuber companies? working for these asian companies seems impossible for both the employer and employee for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is a fucking enforceable contract? like shouldn't that be a red flag for the company?
seems like there's an easy niche to fill being a canadian-based vtuber corp at this point since so many of these bitches come from there

>>72238773
There's barely a market.
Normies look at twitch and ask why these animated children are talking about their sex lives.

>>72238773
>i dont understand why arent there more american or canadian vtuber companies?
They all imploded

>>72238615
Ooops! Sorry for striking your wounds. It must be hard to bear for someone who's narcissistic.

>>72238811
>>72238812
i guess it was just another covid bubble industry

>>72238748
>They wouldn't do shit except scream and threaten if this ever happened
We live in a post Nordstream Bombing World where Russia and its allies seethe and cope about the USA blowing it up and Germany and Europe seethe and pretend the USA didn't blow it up.

The USA openly endangered Europe's power-supply and Europe has done nothing in retaliation.
The USA ain't being questioned by anyone, retard.
Literally every law the UN tries to pass has the potential to be veto'd immediately by the USA and the rest of the world just seethes and copes about it when they do.

>>72236847
What’s hilarious is that I interviewed with this corpo for their latest gen and when I asked where they saw themselves a year or so in the future they said they were aiming to be like Nijisanji.
I guess it was really literal lmaooo
Honestly there were a lot of red flags. They were hiring way too much and spending way too many resources on chuubas that simply didn’t have the numbers to sustain them, and they talked like their wild spending of their investment money was a good business decision or something lol

>>72238705
>>72238730
So do you really think they didn't actually invest shit on her because they had no hopes in the corp due to their low popularity? They made her sign a 3 years contract just because it would be funny to see something waste their life away in a small corp that would never go anywhere?
I doubt that's how the world works.

>>72238861
KEK

>>72238606
>everyone in Holo and Niji should just walk out
niji? yes,holo? why the fuck they want to walk out from the golden ticket? lmao ppl literally audition many times for holo

>>72238861
Why do they all want to be like Niji and not Holo?

>>72238227
These are the retards who:
>Exist entirely to serve their corpo oligarchs, living to suck boot worst than the Chinks and Japs.
>Gave the world the cancer of Kpop
>Are killing their own birth rates due to a "Gender War" led by utterly psychotic factions
>Got 400+ of their own (majority kids) killed in a slowly sinking ferry because their government (ran by a literal cult member) was paralyzed by hierarchal inaction, all while the captain escaped first. They also turned down a nearby American aircraft carrier's offer of assistance.
>Got 100+ of their own youth killed bodypiling each other in an alley during Halloween, on par with stampeding pajeets. They partied around and filmed the dying. Their trolls attacked the deceased's family.
To think, these are supposed to be the "decent" Koreans. Clap their cheeks Murichads.

>corpo cocksuckers will defend literal made up $500,000 fees for exiting a contract
This is why you should only support indies, spending too much time throating management cock causes brain damage.

>>72238877
No I doubt it's legal to charge half a million USD when that isn't what was agreed upon and truthfully what was invested into her

>>72237106
SM entertainment behind them, i would love to see them burnt.
But most likely not

The poor company they invested so much into this girl!! How dare she just leave like this!? After they made her model! And..!! Uhhh… they helped her with.. uhh.. there was the 3D chibi thing I guess?

>>72238888
Nijisanji made the most money and had the biggest market cap up until the recent debacle. Aka they only cared about their size and how much money they would be able to make. Growth at all costs.

>>72238888
Because Riku has a yacht and Yagoo genuinely loves his talents and spends resources on passion projects.
All these corpo fuckers just want the yacht.

>>72238906
Is there anybody supporting that?

>>72238065
lmao the court will settle on fucking ZERO

>>72238820
Seethe more you bootlicking dystopian gook. How many gift cards is V&U paying you?

>>72238877
Anon, this is her genmate. Some streams don't even make it above 60 ccv.
If they spent half a million on these two, they fucking deserve to dissolve.

>>72238902
I'll never understand westoids who worship Asia

>>72237930
her very last stream was a donothon, yes.

>>72238773
>i dont understand why arent there more american or canadian vtuber companies?
If the recent indie explosion haven't clued you in, the business requires a lot of invest and reinvestment, has thin profit margins and requires at least a few years of unprofitability.
So anyone who seriously wants to start a business like that needs to find a big fat investor(s) willing to pump money for a few years so you don't go under, while at the same time the payback is relatively minor compared to other investments.

>>72239005
Nah, she'll still have to pay SOMETHING, most likely. Just something with 4 digits rather than 6.

>>72239005
Why? She's clearly broken her contract.

>>72238951
To be fair, VnU does pump an absolutely ludicrous amount of money into their talents. They have ads out the wazoo and 3D shorts and MVs, and a whole ass animation team. But none of that matters if it isn’t actually generating profit or helping these girls grow. They’re just trying to make her foot the bill for their terrible business and marketing decisions.

i do think there should be a punishment for just dumping out of a contract because you dont feel like it anymore.
and i assume 450k is both punitive but also designed to include prior investment + expected income on a 3 year contract, and also it's probably expected to be negotiated way down either privately or in court.
but if they actually expected to get a raw half a million, thats pretty comical

>>72239059
Because her contract isn't worth the paper it's written on, especially outside of Korea where it is all but unenforceable.

>>72238773
VAllure

>>72238902
>>Got 400+ of their own (majority kids) killed in a slowly sinking ferry because their government (ran by a literal cult member) was paralyzed by hierarchal inaction, all while the captain escaped first. They also turned down a nearby American aircraft carrier's offer of assistance.
Oh yeah and when the families had hunger strikes about it dudes from Ilbe stood in front of them and binge ate food

>>72239123
Did she incorporate in the US/Canada? Last I heard she was considering Ireland.

>>72239059
I remember in one of her streams, she contacted her lawyer (before she talked to grifter lawyer) and that lawyer is allegedly well-versed in cross-border contracts, that lawyer told her that there was no way it hold in court and would be void

>>72239057
>>72239059
she'll have to pay exactly zero dollars. Even in fucking America when the defendant and plaintiff are both American entities, people just ignore that shit all the time and never pay a single fucking cent. The best they can do is place a lien but if the defendant has no assets, then the plaintiff is bullshit outta luck. I know Serafi is some europoor and not an American, but they can do the same shit over there as well.

>>72239119
Technically every contract is unenforceable until court action. If she really did try to do a donothon and run with the money then fuck her.

>>72239151
>>72239123
She did go with AUS
https://abr.business.gov.au/ABN/View?id=66671722991

>>72238418
Was looking up the source of this image and found this
https://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/qj225z/this_rat_getting_an_ultrasound/

>>72238050
>Good work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>72239203
how enforceable are australian contracts in american/canadian court?

>>72237956
You left out the part where they didn't pay her. You can't legally employ somebody and not pay them, at least not in my country. If it can be shown they didn't pay her, then either the contract is invalid, or V&U breached it.

>>72239131
Also the damn feminist witchhunt which is its own hilarious rabbit hole. Holy fuck is that a wild ride. I'll be on my death bed laughing at that fucking blimp.

>>72239243
The better question is how she intends to sell loli porn from down under

>>72239299
that is a good question. Should have incorporated in Switzerland

>>72238773
wtf do you think vtuber is anon? twitch thot with just to sell OF? or those twitch garbage that westard love so much?
vtuber connected with the idol japan/asian culture whether you like it or not ppl choose to watch that over twitch garbage

>>72236847
They aren't suing, as if they mention that $450K bill to any American lawyer on the phone, he'll tell them not only will they get laughed out of court, but they'd be criminally liable for extortion, and there's government departments that will chase you overseas for that.

>>72239269
I really should commission pinching fingers art of every holomem to keep the gooks away

>>72239131
>>72238902
i heard the ferry sinking was an actual Satanic human sacrifice ritual considering the president that time was a member of a cult.

>>72239072
This is basically the crux. Even under the best possible set of facts: That the figure quoted is genuine, the money spent is being burnt pointlessly rather than actually helping given how low her earnings and ccv are.

Westerners are just going to look at how little she was actually making, probably not enough to actually live on, and how much comparatively the company is trying to get from her and view it as unacceptable.

>>72239010
Back off of Amoria.

>>72237089
Serafi only made 4k during her donothon

>>72239415
Realistically, this is all just posturing. V&U is not actually going to sue her. They're making threats because they want to strike fear into their existing talents.

>>72238843
>un
>law
lol. un is the international forum, not some kind of governing body with any authority.

V&U should go public so I can proxy my opinions over this drama via the up and downs of their stock price

I think there should actually be a consequential follow through on retarded women who don't read contracts, and then treat them like toilet paper because they think the #BelieveAllWomen crowd infesting western vtubing will pressure the corpo into bending over. That said, they lost all credibility with the 450k shit, even if it was totally just a hypothetical suggestion teehee, and suing now after that information became public knowledge is an obscenely retarded PR kamikaze.

>>72239415
It’s still not acceptable to be fair. Serafi wasn’t the one burning the money, it was the corporation acting retarded. A contract that forces the talent to pay for over the top hiring and purchasing decisions made completely outside of her control probably won’t hold up.

>>72239463
Is she good? I've been finding it hard to find new 2views to watch. Some of the ones I've been watching for years started doing boring collabs all the time or just playing yugioh forever.

>>72239008
>mentions about her attitude
>AYIIEEEE BLACK COMPANY!!!
Woah! Woah! Woaaah! Chill the fuck down, S*rapee. I only mentioned your attitude. You don't have to be that defensive.

>>72239188
>If she really did try to do a donothon and run
>https://www.youtube.com/@AmanoSerafi/streams
>that last stream
she actually fucking did lmao

>>72239597
she's okay and sweet but imo, too much of a zoomer for my taste and doesn't have the most interesting content/personality.

>>72239551
it doesn't matter if she read the contract or not because she can just ignore it and tell them to kiss her ass. V&U is not atually stupid enough to waste their time sinking fortunes of money on lawsuit that has high probability of being DOA

>>72238812
>>72238773
>They all imploded
Not all of them.

>>72239597
She's a cute korean girl that loves to talk to chat and never shut up, I will say she isn't the most standout personality.

>>72238843
The CIA also warned Germany there was intel that someone might blow it up just two weeks beforehand.

Something tells me that if you want to blow something up, you don't tell the only guys with watchdogs in the area that you're going to do it.

The only affect it had was to make fuel more expensive, which is good for Russia selling everywhere else, and to make sure Russia wouldn't have any financial motive to stop bombing Ukraine, which is good for Putin. For the US, it was a lose lose.

>>72239551
that require the company have to make a contract that is enforceable in the cross-border country.

Until then, at best are they doing a PR move while finding a solution.

>>72239663
isn't fishman japanese? is phase based in the US?
>>72239640
Shame. Doesn't seem like she'd fit me, then. Best of luck to her either way.

>>72239726
>is phase based in the US?
no, Canada

>>72239726
chink canadian, the worst of all worlds

>>72239745
He's at least from that one island instead of the mainland.

>>72239131
WHAT THE FUCK?!

>>72239551
Both sides seem to be agreeing that she didn't open with that though, she wanted to get a figure for what to pay out to leave her contract early because it wasn't working out, completely normal. She only took route after getting the utterly divorced from reality 450k figure they tried to force on her and then taking it to a lawyer at that point.

>>72239477
>the big event where your viewership and donations peak
>set the goals fairly low, still make nothing and don't achieve them
>quit right after
understandable honestly

>>72239773
So is enna iirc

>>72237956
Look at all these Dokicucks, can u go back to twitter?
I will qrd you because i'm bored.
It was a cost breakdown not a bill it won't be in the lawsuit, can't be considered intimidation tactic because she asked for it.
All they have to do is present the contract 10second cut from her twitch vod a screenshot from her twitter and it's over.

>>72238031
Let me rent a supercar steal it and when they try to sue me i will just quote you and say hey i only make 20k a year this doesn't add up surely it will work right?

>>72236847
I highly doubt it's a 3 year contract with V&U. There are no 3 year contracts in vtubing and V&U also had some twins that left the corpo before 3 years. Everybody is misinterpreting this, it says
>three year EXCLUSIVE contract
This likely meant a 1 year contract with V&U, but if Serafi's roommate wanted to continue working in the vtubing industry it would be deemed breach of contract by V&U. Corpos do this to try and prevent poaching, but is illegal to put this in a contract anyways cus labor laws don't allow this.
The same thing happened to Saki Ashizawa from Brave Group, she tried to work as another indie Vtuber persona while still under contract and everybody knew that exclusivity clause was basically illegal.

>>72239773
Newfoundland?

>>72239946
3 FUCKING YEARS OF NONCOMPETE?
Korean idol bullshit right there, they are even worse than Japan on a lot of things (the only thing they are better is promotion).

>>72239941
I dont think you understand how sueing works
You just get arrested for gta they dont need to sue you

>>72239185
You can't even use a credit card if you go bankrupt or your asset is placed on a lien in Europe. I'm pretty sure it's the same in America as well. IIRC you can't even use a debit card there.

>>72239839
It's literally the invoice they gave her. Not only would no court honor it, they'd be criminally liable for threatening her with it, and the US government pretty regularly goes after folks overseas who do that sort of thing.

>>72239946
There's no way they could enforce a non-compete outside of KR

>>72237559
>Korean entertainment company
>Challenge: Not be exploitative and predatory
>Difficulty: IMPOSSIBLE

>>72240018
Their statement in the OP says they never tried to charge her that amount

>>72240074
The semantics don't really matter, it depends on what they actually said and sent her, so it remains to be seen.

>>72240061
entertainment industry in general often fails this challenge even without gook business practices

>>72237377
"WE SHAKE OUR TITTIES FOR THE MASSES"
Man, she sounds insufferable

>>72240074
It's what they say she has to pay in compensation to terminate the contract.

>>72240074
>trusting the Black Company's Twitter hitpiece at its word

>>72238914
And how can you be sure? How can you say that a corp that was ambitious enough to give someone a 3 years contract instead of 1 or half like every corp does didn't also bet everything they had on her, despite being aware that they're small fray in the vtuber market? Isn't that how startups live and die, betting way more than what's realistic and hoping it turns out well?

>>72237377
Holy FUCK that's an ugly model with absolute DOGSHIT tracking.
Her indie model is so much better, what the fuck? How did they fumble THIS fucking hard for 450k?! Are they out of their minds?

>>72240179
you're right, I should trust the words of a Pippa orbiter

>>72240000
Surprisingly, 3 years clause is part of the official standard contract for trainee performer (model terms of contract in American legal jargon IIRC) issued by ministry of culture of Korea and shorter than legal maximum (7 years)
>source: 대중문화예술분야 연습생 표준계약서

>>72239131
the leftoids leveraged the ferry sinking tragedy to shape public opinion and win the regime for the next 5 years, and still nothing meaningful was done during that period...
because there was nothing to be done. it was just an unfortunate accident with no deeper cult conspiracies to be uncovered. and the dead kids families have turned into a group of seasonal political grifters.
>>72238902
the ones who "partied around and filmed the dying" were just the same bunch as the ones who were dying there. some got lucky, some did not.
retarded "western freedom" worshipping tryhard alpha wannabes congregated for the chance of quick kinky sex and tripped over their own feet to death. still the deceased's families tried to make it look bigger than it actually was, since they've seen the ferry kids' families successfully pulling similar shit 10 years ago.

>>72240200
>corp does didn't also bet everything they had on her
There's 19 other talents dude. There's no way they spent all this time on her.

>>72236847
Doki pull won't work on who's vtuber kek

>>72240265
Yep, Korean idol culture is much more exploitative and bullshit than Japan.
Heck I remember hearing a story that some trainee/talent got gifted food with razor in it and other kinds of stuff

>>72240047
Unless she is living in California, which is not, 2~3 years is actually enforceable, as long as there is a reasonable compensation for the period.
But I doubt it.

Anons posting full breakdowns of her situation as if they watched her in the first place. I got into her content for her design, then dropped her bc she was inconsistent and lazy as fuck. I guess the drama buff is real, hopefully she'll capitalize on it and stop being such a shitty content creator. The corpo is still thrash too.

>>72240299
This drama actually started before the Doki thing.

>>72236847
who and who against who?

>>72240347
She has one hell of a calli accent so I wouldn't be surprised if she's there.
>>72240352
She seemed fun from when I caught the tail end of her jackbox stream. I hope she sticks with it. No skin off my back if she doesn't though because I don't usually start spending until about 3+ months in.

>>72240280
It's pretty clear that they had a massive game plan for her, but then she got lazy and tried to bail right after a donothon while ignoring her long contract. Whether those plans had a chance to go somewhere or not is nothing we'll ever find out anyway.

>>72240247
She uses the same tracker... And the same rigger on both models.
Time for glasses?

>>72237452
Gookseethe

>>72237720
>>72237729
>>72237850
Black company niggers lick my balls

>>72236847
good for them honestly fuck these girls for thinking they can bring down the company with them

>>72239706
>The CIA also warned Germany there was intel that someone might blow it up just two weeks beforehand.
And Biden literally said they would blow up a few weeks before that kek

But no, Russia blew up a Russian pipeline to make sure Russia couldn't send Russian gas trough it instead of...you know... turning off the tap?

>>72240409
Then clearly something's wrong with the model base because it's definitely not matching the mouth movements in the same way the alien one does. It just keeps doing different shapes of oval.

benzema's buyout clause at madrid was $1 billion when his salary was $20 million

>>72240394
Read that list, and tell me they spent that much time on her. 50% of the head manager's, time for four months? 50% of marketing for 3? Really!? She's not even their biggest talent, not that it wouldn't be insane to spend that much time on her even if she was, with 19 other talents around.

There's no way they invested anywhere close to that into her. They were just trying to scare her into staying longer, and fucked themselves in the process.

>>72240299
Certainly didn't work for this lazy bitch, and Serafi won't be any different.

>>72240447
t. CNN mom

>>72240013
I'm American and I know someone who took some fucker to court for damages and the court agreed that damages had to be paid. But here's the thing, The fucker never paid a single cent of damages and the court just said there wasn't anything to be done except to place a lien. So he placed a lien on the other guy's house and never received anything for 15 YEARS until the fucker tried to sell the house and couldn't because of the lien. I'm not sure of the exact way things work in Serafi's country, but I guarantee she's not a homeowner with her vtuber pay and she probably doesn't have any large assets except maybe a shitbox car.
V&U doesn't have any practical course of action regardless. Lets say hypothetically that everything goes wrong for serafi: The court agreed with V&U, ordered her to pay massive damages, and she has a lien placed on whatever large asset she has (probably none, but this is a hypothetical). Now what? What do you expect V&U to do? They just spent a huge sum of money suing a rando half way across the planet. And Serafi is already broke and doesn't even have the means to pay what they're asking for. The best they could even hope for is to get some money trickling in some time in the far flung future. And even if they do get money, anything that they receive will never match the amount spent on the lawsuit itself. The entire premise of this is retarded.
What's a possibility is that V&U uses this scare tactic on her, tells her to settle out of court, and she gives them some nominal amount just to get them off her back. The more likely scenario is that they just send a bunch of strongly worded letters and she uses them as kindling in her europoor wood burning stove.
This is actually what's going to happen. There is exactly 0% chance that V&U will ever see they six gorillion korean funny bucks or whatever their currency is called

>>72240264
This but unironically

Women sure are stupid. Anyone with a brain that read these vtuber contracts would say no.
I will never feel bad for dumb people.

>>72240280
Wait, wasn't she one of their best singers too? This thing finally makes some sense then, they had a bunch of musical projects ready to put her in for those 3 years but then she bailed on them and all those projects are void. So they tried to get the money back from her, as if she'd ever have that much money on her own.
It's funny how every discussion about this case in here keeps ignoring its central point, the fact that a retarded woman signed a 3 years contract without reading it, and then tried to graduate right after finishing a donothon after only finishing 1 of those 3 years. Why couldn't she just stay in the fucking corp instead? Menheras gonna menhera and dramalovers will always take the side that isn't the corp I guess

>>72240589
we're talking about someone whose catalyst to graduate was staff being concerned about some of the content in South Park: The Stick of Truth

>>72240589
I'm sure the contract was vague about what she'd be hit up for if she terminated early. Certainly it didn't read "$450,000" - nor "Half of all our operating expenses since you joined." or some shit.

Though yes, shoulda had a lawyer go over the thing, as clearly they think it says something that'd let them get away with that.

>>72236847
The funny thing is that in Korean (and most asian societies) there is a cultural allergy to losing face. The words "I'm at fault" do not exist. So, no one in that company is going to say "Hey, let's cut our losses and not get Niji'd"

>>72240594
Anon what's the point of a corpo when a year in you're still barely breaking 60 ccv?
It's a waste of time and money for everybody. They clearly fucking embezzled all of the money just like koreans always fucking do. Fuck being known for plastic surgery. They're known for having every fucking person who's ever had a public office getting jailed before the end of their term.

>>72240631
That's retarded even from Korean standard.

>>72240594
They only cite one MV in their invoice, and that was one she shared with her whole generation.

>>72240543
Thanks for the info anon

>>72240663
>hmm I'm going to sign with this tiny literal who corp
>I'm sure I'll get 99999 CCV with them!
>oops I didn't time to bail
Should have fucking read the part that said she's with them for 3 years. What if all those projects boosted the fuck out of her numbers? Given what people keep saying it's not like she worked much anyway so why didn't she just choose to do the bare minimum and see where it would take her? But it's too late to regret that, best of luck to her after the drama buff runs out.

>>72240662
No wonder Korea is the most philosemetic country in the world. The jews know business. When to attack and when to retreat. The koreans have no idea how to cut their losses so they see anyone who can do that as magic

>>72240758
>Should have fucking read the part that said she's with them for 3 years.
Who says she didn't? You can always terminate a contract. There might be some severance fee, but not fucking $450K.

>>72240381
She's a good singer and entertaining streamer, but she's not the most mentally stable (like most vtubers). I think you should give her a try but it's probably a good idea to hold off spending money until things stabilize on her end

t. day 1 member

>>72240663
As long as your company is otherwise successful, they might still buy you ads and give you a budget and stuff

>>72240663
according to playboard her average ccv was 173
the few times I stumbled into her streams I remember her consistently being around there and pushing to 200 recently

>>72240768
Unironically pochi is terminated and idol corp is being fucked. Not a good role model lmao

>>72240789
Too bad for her, there was one in this case.
Pay debnts.

>>72240839
I'm sure they're being fucked for losing the talent that was literally ME ME MEing every single project they had for other talents huh

>>72240839
Much better decision than turning half your fans and talents against you and bringing all the anti-corpos that have spawned as a result of Doki down on your ass. It's money they were never going to get if things had gone as planned anyways, according to them.

>>72240864
$450K isn't a severance fee, it's extortion.

>>72240929
All she had to do was not run away after a donothon but the Kawaii special is hard to resist isn't it

>>72240864
>Pay debnts
You realize that the whole pay debnts meme was based on Greece not ever paying up right? Good luck getting this lass to pay

>>72237200
>>72237272
>>72237630
>Asked two lawyers what to do, both said to just ghost them.
Probably because the contract was not legal in her country. I have experience with such contracts at workplace. Some companies make you sign a contract which states that you have to work with them for atleast an year and if you want to leave before that time, you have to pay a fixed amount. Most people just leave without paying and the company can not do anything because such contracts do not hold in the court (atleast where I live). All the company can do is hold your work experience letter and send you a 'legal' notice as a scare tactic.

>>72237512
>dramanigger mindset
vtubing would get so much better if your kind was hanging from the trees

>>72241012
Maybe she would've had an actual successful donothon if the corpo held up their end of the bargain too. Did she even meet any goals?

>>72241012
wrong, all she had to do was to quietly fuck off. according to their statement they couldnt give less of a shit before she started making "exaggerated, misleading and false claims that damaged the company and its talents". i have no horse in this race but if what this company is saying is true then i have zero sympathy for her.
being a victim like doki is one thing, pretending to be another dokilike victim is nijinig tier behavior.

>>72241012
Given what's in the invoice, I don't think it'd make much difference if it was before the donothon nor after all the donothon goals were fulfilled. This is just the threat they made for her not wanting to stay for all 3 years.

There's no sane reason to try and hit her with a bill that large, other than to threaten her, which is highly illegal. If they really try to sue her in the states, they could find themselves chased overseas by the US government on criminal charges, and they do exactly that against this sort of behavior fairly regularly. But I don't think they actually will sue as any US lawyer they hire will tell them they'll get laughed out of court, in addition to that possibility.

$5000 or around there might have been reasonable, but $450K is just straight up extortion.

>>72236847
>3 year contract
what the fuck

>>72241234
They slapped her for $450K BEFORE she made any claims against the company. This is, again, the company fucking itself by acting criminally. She just happened to reveal the fact.

This also all started before the Doki fiasco, so she wasn't riding on that.

>>72241234
>if what this company is saying is true
It isn't. That's the whole fucking point. She leaked the damn invoice.

>>72241234
bro she started doing that because they wanted 450k from her

>>72241240
>$5000 or around there might have been reasonable, but $450K is just straight up extortion.
is it really? when you think about it, it doesnt sound that outlandish when you consider that selen pissed down the drain like 200k in a year.

>>72237377
definitely archive this

>>72241234
the "exaggerated" claim was leaking the demand for $450,000

>>72241387
Well, they aren't actually denying the invoice happened. They are only lying by omission, and not saying how much their ridiculous ransom to terminate the contract was.

>>72241361
>This also all started before the Doki fiasco, so she wasn't riding on that.
started yes, but if you read the op she decided to stop talking with them on feb 28th, which is well after doki fiasco.

>>72241476
That's the invoice they threatened her with. Might be some other things she said that they consider false, but they don't mention that specifically, and that is telling.

>>72241445
>wants to graduate
>gets convinced not to
>realizes she just got buckbroken and she still wants out since the company isn't fucking doing their job and supporting her enough
>korean black company tries to fucking extort her
how is this a point against her?

>>72241543
it's pretty hard to say she deserved the fine for her harmful comments about the fine they had already sent her

>>72241547
all i said was to archive it
why are saying all of this shit to me lol

>>72241224
She did but I doubt the corpo would've been able to help her getting more dono since it never shilled any of them. For reference, other members' donothon results are:
>Kokone's donothon (September 24~25): 7.6k
>Suri's donothon (February 20~26): 15.7k
>D.K's donothon (March 10~12): 4.6k

>>72241476
personally i think that they are talking about her story how she decided to quit. for example she talked about managers not doing shit for her and op statement says that they changed manager for her four times to meet her needs. very conflicting statements, dont you think?

>>72241432
Selen was NijiEN's #1 streamer in the largest vtuber company in the world, who yes, was constantly reinvesting in the company with branch wide or multi-branch events.

This girl doesn't have a fraction of her numbers and never will. She isn't even the #1 talent in this pissant company. They're claiming the head manager spent 50% of his time on her, despite there being 19 other talents, and other such bullshit to "justify" the threat they made.

>>72237377
>she only tried to farm dramafags trying to compare herself with dokibird
Comparing herself with Dokibird...
...on January 1st?

You see the problem there.

>>72241625
kinda grim for a company claiming to spend 450k to promote a single talent.
>>72241614
sorry, I'm low on sleep and am chasing ghosts I guess.

>>72241694
anon, selen paid for everything out of her own pocket. the company in question has the backing of some big korean corporation so they clearly have way more money available to invest than selen on her own had.

>>72240484
That clause was in the contract from the beginning.

>>72241775
The company's definitely highballing the bill but most will agree V&U has never been good at recouping its investment

>>72240820
I want Nasa to whisper "nigger" in my ear.

>>72241921
>V&U has never been good at recouping its investment
they shit out gens and buy a shitton of ads for them then stop investing in them when a new gen comes out, they dont really do any projects either, they spend all of their money on ads

>>72241833
More money than AnyColor, a multi-billion dollar company? For someone not even pulling 2 finanas? Never mind how supposedly Marketing, the Project Director, the head manager, the outsourcing manager, the designer, all somehow spent 50% of their time on this girl, for months on end, with again, 19 other talents around, to make this bill possible.

Face it, it's extortion, pure and simple.

>>72240543
Not getting the billion bugbucks isn't the same thing as getting 0. Nobody suing for damages actually expects to get the full amount demanded.
And if she has literally nothing she still has the court order on her record. That may not have mattered to a deadbeat like you buddy tried to sue, but to some people it will close off certain options in their future.
And then the next girl may decide against pulling the same scam, and other girls think twice about joining a company like that.

>>72242005
>More money than AnyColor
anycolor didnt pay shit for selen though

>>72241985
>they dont really do any projects either
It seemed like they were gearing up for that starting this year with the little Hologra series and 3D stuff

>>72242005
two finanas? She could barely pull HALF a Finana. For fuck's sake she sometimes pulled two decifinanas.
It's an absolute disaster and financial suicide if they EVER came close to investing what they want her to pay.

>https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2092965152
why did alienmixture delete her come back vod where she talked a bunch of shit about her former company?

>>72242107
How long ago was it? Twitch doesn't save vods for very long unless you specifically mark them, and I don't know if you can even do that if you're too small.

>>72241985
According to /vt/, that's the perfect way to run a corpo

>>72242161
Precisely one week ago so autodeletion might be in effect

>>72241923
Nini__

>>72242073
Given all the projects she did during that year, I'm sure the bills came to more than $200K, but if Selen isn't getting $450K invested in her, there's no way this girl is.

>>72242161
I dunno the timespan for auto-deletion but it was on the 16th IIRC

>>72242188
>Twitch automatically deletes VODs after a certain period of time, typically around 14 to 60 days, depending on your channel's subscription level and other factors. However, if you have enabled VOD saving in your Twitch settings, your streams should be automatically saved as past broadcasts (VODs) on your channel.
google search says that they are up for at least two weeks though

>>72242225
Yeah, it's probably autodeleted then. She should've marked it. Probably a good idea for her to reupload it somewhere. I'm sure someone saved it.

>>72242097
My bad, guess I was looking at her genmate.

>>72242202
remember the last niji wave? me neither. random small corpos unironically invest more in hopes of growing than fucking nijisanji. this is depressing in a way.

>>72242274
Nah, nothing against you. It's just still laughable how bad this situation is. If she didn't go public with this they absolutely would've kept trying to smear her as much as possible. Korea's corpos are fucking evil.

>>72242317
ironically rather than smear her, they didnt even acknowledge her departure until she went public.

>>72242316
Not half a million dollars per talent when you have 19 of them. And again, there's no way they are having so many heads spend 50% of their time on one underperforming talent, the bill is basically physically impossible.

>>72242381
actually she was just ghosting everyone, so nothing was confirmed

Most of you have done zero reps, this shit is gonna be the new twitter or what?

>>72242521
this board gets raided by drama tourist from twitter every time dramatubers make a video about shit like this, its nothing new

>>72238085
>>72240447
These are the kinds of people who enjoy drama and dramatubers.

>>72237577
>Thinking they can enforce this lmao
>Sign this contract to be a walmart employee for a month and if you quit you have to pay 10 trillion dollars!
>Ah well it's in the contract so they have to do it!

>>72237956
>It's reasonable that the costs are 500k dollars
>The most is the most expensive part in reality and cost a couple grand.
A court in the west would fucking laugh at this case.

>>72236847
when they file the court case, will they use her real name?

>>72237577
>half a million dollar fine for breaking a contract
Yeah this is not going to pass in any court lmao.

Courts don't give a fuck about overseas contracts assuming no laws have been broken.
Unless V&U are willing to spend millions on multicountry court cases to try and go after a young woman with no money they have no chance of winning.
They will lose all their money and get nothing from it since she has no money and V&U will go under.

Assuming she doesn't try to move to that country V&U is located in serafi is safe as can be. Or unless she accepts the challenges and goes to their country to fight the case in which case she'd be retarded and deserve to lose.

>>72243179
Thank you! finally a real lawyer, you should make a youtube a channel.

>>72237894
Kek

>>72237577
V&U is a joke

>>72237705
Corpo faggots are disgusting

>>72243336
If V&U was a billion dollar company they can fund penal measures globally but they can't and she has no pool of wealth to find recompense.
So the VERY costly legal fees would have to be bankrolled from somewhere and would be essentially tossed into the fire to send a message.

It just becomes a question of;
>Do they have enough millions to burn
And I don't think they do.

>autists getting their last swings in on eachother before page 11
genuinely my favorite part of any drama thread

>>72242521
>>72242549
You had your fun last month. And because of that, this is how this board will continue to be for the foreseeable future.

>>72243712
Fuck me then
How much to get me out of this situation? But i want to see the detailed breakdown.