/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

They're not a separate branch, they're a part of Hololive. They're just not a part of Hololive.

Holofes is becoming too big

>>72174500
>hololive
glorious nipponese
>holoEN holoID DEV_IS
filthy gaijin

>>72174554
>They're not a separate branch, they're a part of Hololive. They're just not a part of Hololive.

>>72174500
Concubine instead of Wife status
>to who?
To me of course

The reasoning is probably that hololive jp is getting too full.

>>72174654
There's two Hololive, the branch Hololive also called HoloJP and the agency Hololive. ReGLOSS is part of the agency Hololive like EN and ID.

>>72174500
They are the miscellaneous cringe (male collabs, korean, etc).

>>72174500
Sir they're Nijisanji but Hololive version

>>72174500
Ayame's Blood Purity Pledge

>>72174500
They are a homogen.

>>72174500
They hired a Korean and weren't confident enough to make her a main Holo member.

However it could be something stupid internally, like the board thought or said they shouldn't debut any new main JP girls until X date and Yagoo disagreed so went "ok, well I'll make a side branch then and debut there" to loophole some kind of limit.

It also seems that from Regloss' pre-debuts of interacting a ton with Holostars and also Horizontal being a thing around this time period, it seems they unironically were trying to force more males/coed into the picture. I don't think this is even to own the unicorns but more because Yagoo has some kind of inferiority complex about how NijiJP has dominance over the male vtuber market and he thinks "we should have that too" but just doesn't know how to get it.

It's just smoke and mirrors so they can LARP to investors about how they are "expanding" and "making new projects" which translates to "growth potential" (aka the feelings-based make-believe that investors gamble on hoping it pays off in 5 years)

All their REAL projects either flopped (blue jounrey) or are vaporware stuck in limbo (holoearth etc.)
It's kinda sad how they are so good at the tried-and-true stuff they are doing (concerts etc.) yet they can't expand to save their fucking life.

>>72174500
What have they done that is the same exactly? Do you ask why Hololive ID isn't apart of Holo JP? Internally and externally they are held to none of the same standards as Holo JP gens and if they were considered one they would be a massive outlier in every metric.

>>72174500
They're targeted towards a younger audience, that's why all of them are young (no hags, not even cakes). Also they all have regular designs, no chuuni or furry that make image conscious insecure youngsters cringe or be ashamed to like.

>>72174500
Hololive JP is pretty big, so they might have decided they need a separate management structure to keep expanding. Having separate branding did not work all that well.

Ok, but can anyone explain WHY DEV_IS exists outside of Hololive JP?

new coat of paint for "expanding to new audiences" like women and normies
basically less "idoly" and otaku oriented than regular HoloJP, their design is more realistic and their content is more similar to regular streamers
but the end result is they're basically gen7, they aren't segregated in any real way and it's not like regular holos can't appeal to the audiences DEV_IS was designed for

>>72174500
No new Gen than no more business Partnerships contracts I d k. Is it Gen 8 or Gen 7 Hololive?

>>72174500
Regloss is the first branch to feature all former irl idols instead of streamer/content creator/VA so they will be more choreography and group performance focused like a kpoop.

>>72175128
tl;dr but I agree they should hire more Korean girls

>>72174500
Assumed for different management and contracts.

>>72175540
>but the end result is they're basically gen7
Yeah, that's why there's a giant 7 in ReGLOSS.

You know how personal projects like covers have to be paid for by normal Holomems? I don't think that applies to Dev_is members. I reckon Kanade hadn't generated enough income to sustain an mv at the quality level of My Dearest. Cover is likely funding their music which would look like favoritism if they were just Gen 7 of holojp.

I watched Devise their a bit different with their release structure seems more streamlined compared to Holo JP. IMO Holojp has more freedoms.

>>72174500
>Someone at Cover has the brilliant idea to make JP7 their own branch because they don't want to step on HoloX's toes
>Release group art that makes them all seem like an idol group
>Right before debut reveal they all actually have incredibly different designs than originally revealed
And Cover is somehow confused why people didn't sub to them.

>>72174500
its separate branch

>>72174500
>6 months later
Yeah you are just so fucking dumb anon

>>72176098
>I reckon Kanade hadn't generated enough income to sustain an mv at the quality level of My Dearest
that doesn't prove anything, holomens don't have to front thei entire cost of the project they pay out of pocket
Cover can front some/all the cost and then take it out of their paycheck in the following months
i think Okayu talked about it

>>72174500
Reglos is German for something "without movement" and is generally used to describe unconscious people and corpses.

>>72176370
fucking Ao basic grandpa outfit kek
what were they thinking?

>>72174500
The one go idol way...
The other go kpop - jpop group way...

>>72175153
Nice deflection sister

>>72176471
Bud go to the Dev_is member's and main Dev_is channel pages and look at how many covers there are. Especially the Stone Ocean cover. Who do you think is paying for an MV that looks that good. That's better than anything Advent has gotten.

>>72176152
holoJP is chuuni weeb chuuba,regloss is your typical normie girl turn idol,thats their goal and they separate it on purpose,its not that its canibalizing each other like what happen to niji

>>72176586
She'll need to use her 1m wish to fix that

>>72176516
Start as Reglos, come alive after Instant Heartbeat.

>>72175153
>so they can LARP to investors about how they are "expanding"
stop projecting sister,thats nijisanji struggling with their stock and investor,cover is actually expanding,yes regloss is smaller than holoJP but they are DIFFERENT audience,thats the point and cover did a good job

>>72176635
>Who do you think is paying for an MV that looks that good
A chan

>>72174500
And I do understand.

This makes a lot of sense.

>>72174500
Regloss is the eceleb vtuber project, they aren't really idol they collab with men. If regloss project success (2.5 mil total goal in August) you'll see more of those eceleb vtuber.
Senpais don't like them, and I don't find them really attractive except kanade's singing

>>72177049
>they aren't really idol they collab with men
that's about half of hololive

>>72176635
>That's better than anything EN or ID has gotten.
fify

>>72177019
What's wrong?

>>72177088
Only JP. EN don't collab with men since Jap took over.

>>72177019
There will be more DEV_IS gens/groups in the future.

>>72177171
Regloss still has less total male collabs than council or myth. The male collabs that they did have were either with comedians that half of holo jp already collabed with or aruran and joe who are both some of the most gachikoi friendly male vtuber.

>>72174500
What I wanna know is why DEV_IS is pronounced ”device”

>>72177171
bae does collab with JP stars

>>72177454
As with holoX, English is merely an aesthetic to the Japanese

>>72177325
>Holojp normalizing the male collab be it vtuber or e celeb
Mixed gen for devis 2 is go

>>72176370
>makes them seem like an idol group
The whole problem was precisely because they didn't seem like one. For the longest time people both here and in JP thought that Ao was a man, and Hajime was possibly a twink, and that Regloss was a mixed gen.
Ao literally had to make a tweet before debut saying that she was a girl.
It also didn't help how they promoted Regloss on Note, talking about how they were trying something new and going for a different audience.
Cover saw their numbers being low and hate coming to them and most likely backpedaled a lot, making Dev_Is being a branch under hololive and even putting them the furthest away they could from Holostars on the graph.
They made an entire stream pre-debut to explain what Dev_Is was, and several months later, they still haven't been able to explain what makes Dev_Is different enough to be a separate branch.
Even among the JP community, there is still the rrat that Cover needed HLZNTL to be a success really badly precisely because they waned Dev_Is to pivot on its success, and be a branch that would be more (emphases on more) open to female-male colabs are even fleshstreamer colabs. The objective of this was to be able to use them for marketing purposes that they have been reluctant to take.

>>72174500
They are more experimental, which is why you have Raden with her art and culture stuff, isntead of just the usual anime, manga, visual novels and videogames.

>>72174500
They probably wanted to start a branch in a different country, probably Korea, but someone either the talents or the management or both changed their mind at the last second which led to this weird "JP7 but not really" situation.

>>72177862
I would get cold feet too if my brilliant business plan was Hololive Korea but with all Japanese girls

>>72177702
>For the longest time people both here and in JP thought that Ao was a man, and Hajime was possibly a twink, and that Regloss was a mixed gen
only retard think like this

>>72177568
Pronouncing HoloX as ”holox” makes a lot more sense than whatever’s going on with DEV_IS

>>72174500
they were chosen to prove that holo-homo collabs do well, of course they failed

>>72174500
I feel like sooner or later they are just going to merge them into Hololive proper as gen 7, since that's basically what they are.
If you can forgive the comparison, like how Niji merged their ID branch into their main branch.

>>72180535
nah,because no need to do that,dev is is not innk,they are separate branch but just like holostars they are working normally,niji on the other hand are pure total failure,its all branch,IN,KR,ID those are 3 branch with a tons of talent,that is pure failure.

>>72174500
holofes getting to crowded

we will be getting holofes and reglosfes down the line

>>72175427
Different character lore. The DEV_IS girls are ordinary humans in their 20s who joined Hololive to become idols.
In other words, compared to Holo JP, the DEV_IS branch has a blurrier line between kayfabe and IRL.

>>72174500
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQAMNDyu54U

>>72181064
there are no haters, we just dont see the point in labeling them as something else and not even attempting to properly explain it
regloss is actually pretty popular
sure, as a group their music output is a bit higher but thats really all that separates them from the rest of holo and even then, Sui and Mori pump out new music it seems every week

>>72174590
wish we talked about this more
this year's holofes was great as always but holy shit it ran really late into the time and having 4 stages too
they're gonna have to figure something out because as kino as it is , no one wants it to be a marathon

>>72174500
They homocollab

>>72181025
The line isn't any blurrier. Their characters are still completely made up despite being more realistic.

>>72174590
>too big
thats the goal,to be bigger

Years later I still don't understand why the fuck Hololive English is a separate branch. They just do the same shit as all the other holos. When they do anything at all, anyways.

>>72174500
I thought they did that to enable male collabs and sponsored stream tie ups with Holostars.
It's a bit weird it hasn't happened yet.

>>72181608
They are not a separate branch

And I am starting to think that peoples who say this either don't watch them, or are just Phase clowns who try to stir up...

They target normies. I don't know what the fuck is so hard to comprehend? There is a glass celling and there has been for a while now, on the idol thing, and Cover wants to expand to new niches. It may shock the masses to learn, but Nijisanji and Hololive, aren't really in competition with each other, because they have been targeting and attracted rather different audiences. DEV_IS is basically Cover going after Niji's audience. In an agency full of vampires, witches, and other supranatural entities, you now have a branch of normal vtubers, who are normal girls, and each does their own shit, and are designed to attract peoples who are not into idols, or aren't even into web shit.
'B-But anon, they are doing the same shit Hololive does...'
- so does Niji... and any other agency - they play games, they chat, they sometimes sing... yet they are different.

>>72177019
It does... DEV_IS is the branch. ReGLOSS is the name of the generation, just like Myth, Council, Advent, etc. Future generations under DEV_IS will have their own names.

>>72181770
yes they are, look at the damn graph >>72174500

>>72182022
EN are part of the hololive branch while regloss are not.

>>72182118
are you fucking blind?

>>72181776
its retard specially nijisister,they want to shit on holo using dev is because they are not exploded as big as typical holo without realising that dev is are completely different target audience,they are sharing with niji and outside of holo

>>72182170
EN have the hololive logo which makes them part of the same branch with JP and ID. regloss are not part of that branch.

>>72174500

>>72174763
I got it (I didn't get it at all)

>>72174755
This, probably. Hololive is supposed to be an idol group like AKB48, what's an idol group without subgroups

>>72174763
So a separate branch

>>72174500
Gooks never will be true hololive. Hololive died with holoX, anything besides them are branches or subhumans.

>>72177702
>For the longest time people both here and in JP thought that Ao was a man, and Hajime was possibly a twink, and that Regloss was a mixed gen.
No one said this

Probably like people said, HoloJP is getting kind of full. I would imagine some of the top talents in the JP branch don't want another generation to pop up and take anything from them. So the way around it would be to make a different division so you can feed them excuses.

>>72175153
NIJISEETHE

Regloss feels like some project hope shit where they had a idea, this time a vtuber band, and then got everything ready but forgot to actually do the band part and now they just stream like everyone else instead in some kind of weird limbo until they get merged into jp like project hope into promise.

>>72177702
And this is what one call 'talking out of one ass'... what low numbers? My dude, ReGLOSS is in top 100 vtubers in the world when it comes to CCV viewership. Hajime is 24th actually, and Raden and Hajime are both in top 40. They are neck in neck with the whole of NijiEN in viewership, while having a quarter of their streams and 5, and also moping the floor with them in in CCV. In fact, the only groups of vtubers that have better viewership than them is HoloJP and HoloEN. They are beating NijiJP average, by nearly double. They are a success by every metric, and here we are on 4chan, clowns are still pretending this branch is somehow a failure.
The goal with them wasn't to open the door for for female-male and flesh streamer collabs, that door has been open for like 4 years already, but you schizo's still act like there is a wall when there is none. Laplus+ is streaming with all sort of males and streamers on twitch, Matsuri has been killing Mother's confidence in collabs for a while now, Towa has been doing the same for years, and many other Hololive members have been colabing with males - and you are still pretending there is a door somewhere to be open by some mythological being that Yagoo is trying to debut at the end of the Lunar year, when the Moon is red and he will have 6 virgin babies to sacrifice on the altair of Chuntulu.
DEV_IS is designed to build a new audience. Bring normies and peoples who are not into web shit or idols. And the fact that they grow slower but get traction it means it works. Is been just 6 months. If they where close to a million each now, it would have meant, the experiment was actually a failure, because most of those subscribers would have been Hololive subscribers.

>>72177862
So, they where preparing to debut a gen of 5 japanese girls, 4 of who speak no Korean, for a Korean branch... yeah, makes sense...

>>72183264
>neck in neck
It's neck and neck ESLfriend

>>72181206
It has been explained again and again, but peoples here are really either very retarded, or are flat earthers, who try to understand ReGloss trough the flat earth thinking system... 'I didn't hear the explanation, so there is none; I don't understand, therefore there is no explanation and it makes no sense'.

>>72181244
They may make it 3 days long at some point XD

>>72181760
That's a dumb theory from 4chan. It has nothing to do with reality. Nobody is blocking collabs between Hololive and males or Holostars, they had been a thing for years. Nor are sponsorships blocked either. They had also been a thing.

>>72182366
retard-chama...

>>72174755
People don't want to hear the truth because there a stigma attached to it but graduation for some of the older members needs to be a thing similar to actual idol groups. Give them cushy managemental role or kickstart their career somewhere else.

>>72174500
Why is Uproar! separate from Holostars?

>>72174500
Their designs are not the "cute idol" thing.

But instead they are made for more mature audiences.

Hololive = shoujo/shounen manga

Regloss = seinen manga

>>72182554
how do you fuck up a sub group so badly it doesnt even last a year

>>72174763
Ah. So Regloss are basically more independent talents?

It seem like they use different interview standard to find new member, taking new ppl that show potential.
And they have seem to have more resources support than normal Hololive.

It make sense from a company standpoint that it's new project hence the new branch and different name, but from viewer standpoint, it's just same old new gen new Vtuber

>>72183264
>DEV_IS is designed to build a new audience. Bring normies and peoples who are not into web shit or idols
That didn't work, though. DEV_IS has basically no fans that weren't already holo fans, and they got a smaller cut of that pie because nobody knew what the fuck they were, and they came out right around the time of the Holizontal backlash, where distrust of side projects was at an all-time high, which hurt them even more. Now, more Hololive fans are giving them a chance, because everyone has figured out that they're just Gen 7 in everything but name. They aren't reaching normies at all.

>>72174500
males coming in gen2

>>72174500
EOPs are all sub 10 iq troglodytes

>>72174500
>>72174554
>>72174654
>hololive production
this is the branch of cover that manages vtubers. this came after hololive (JP), when they got big enough to shit out holostars and hololive (EN) and they needed a name for everyone. think "the coca cola company" for coke. same company sells fanta.
>hololive
(this technically doesn't exist, it's just a way to call the female side)
this is the female idol branch, to distinguish them from
>holostars
males
>hololive
this is the "real" hololive. the japanese branch. notice that the chart doesn't have "japanese" written below unlike EN and ID respectively
>hololive dev_is
new branch name. regloss is the gen group name. i have no fucking idea why they have to do this. i still doubt it's an attempt at nijification because of kanade, seems like she wants to follow the idol path. no clue on hajime, my toddler japanese is no match for her. raden was a surprise though. ao and ririka showed signs early on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ADaIvhhcCU

>>72175427
So they can hire asian girls from outside Japan without dropping them into EN, basically they learned their lesson with Irys.

>>72175316
Ririka is a hag. The younger audience is watching Hololive JP much more than Regloss. JP twitter has a bunch of self introduction profiles from 14-18 yo Holo fans and it's tags to make friends with other Holo fans but they don't give a single shit if their oshi is a hag.

>>72184546
>Hololive = shoujo/shounen manga
>Regloss = seinen manga
Isn't it the other way around? Hololive is primarily popular with ojisans, and regloss all have shoujo manga-like designs. You think that Ao was originally targeted toward men? ReGLOSS was/is an attempt to attract more female viewers. As a result of that, they're more liberal when it comes to male collabs. If they release another gen of dev_is, they're likely to target another demographic or simply try out things like using new art styles. Imagine if they released a gen that looked something like OG IRyS but not ugly. They wouldn't fit in Hololive proper, but would be a good addition to the "experimental" branch.

>>72191096
>Isn't it the other way around?
Yes, Hololive's audience is already older on average than Nijisanji's, and Regloss is more likely aimed towards the Nijisanji-adjacent audience.
The only Regloss who might have an older audience is Raden, which is probably more in line with the rest of Hololive.

>>72186503
You act like people who rejected HLZNTL were wrong to reject ReGloss. I have never once regretted rejecting all those whores. They all openly promoted that they were good with the Stars before their debut (in stark contrast to Advent's affirmation in their debut streams that they were not okay with Stars) and at least three of the five have already done the whole "I prefer male collab partners over a male audience" thing while the other two can't speak Japanese (I frankly doubt the gook can speak Korean either, seems like a genuine retard). I do sorta wish Hajime had ended up in JP7 but she's happier with her gen because unity is one thing they actually seem to have over any of the JP gens.

>>72192649
>You act like people who rejected HLZNTL were wrong to reject ReGloss.
I never implied that at all. I just pointed out that the HLZNTL backlash hurt ReGloss.

>>72174500
Same reason Project HOPE and Inonaka or whatever were separate.
They totally thought they had something there but it flopped.

ive never even seen a clip recommended on youtube for regloss. pretty sure they dont exist and are just a big joke like fingerboxes

>>72192893
Inonaka didn't die because it flopped but because the guy who ran it left and Azki simply decided to become a vtuber rather than retire as planned. If it weren't for Geoguesser allowing her to become a popular vtuber out of nowhere, she probably would have just quit given she'd only ever have been Mel-tier in popularity at best otherwise and she has a real-life (unlike many other vtubers).

>Hololive (branch) of Hololive (group) of Hololive (company)

But what if... we debut gen 7 but disguise it as a new branch? Hoho, delightfully devilish A-chan!

>>72194124
>Ye gods! My Homos are failing and the shareholders will demand that I release only girl gens from now on
>But what if... we make a girls gen and give it all the debuffs so that we can justify getting more men? Hoho delightfully devlish OOGAY!

>>72185283
TPE48 just rebranded to AKB8 Team TP and DEL48 got screwed by covid.

>>72174554
Makes sense.

>>72174500
It's to keep HoloJP from hitting double digit gens.

Maybe its like IRyS, they had big plans but they all fell through.
ReGloss always felt to me like they should have been unique, debut with 3D, the works since they wanted to be a more idol/singing centric unit, but as it stands its just more of the same.

>>72174500
leg loss

they have no legs

>>72174500
regloss is supposed to be a unit first and solo artists second, while hololive are solo artists who
perform with other solo artists once in a while.

>>72174500
It's mostly an administrative difference. They do more song covers as a unit and also put up videos for their shared channel. As far as streaming and stuff goes, they pretty much do the same stuff.

>>72201740
What's even the difference in practice?

>>72174500
Different branch, different contracts

>>72182466
Is this what's popular?
mysterious mummy, psycho killer robot, and psycho twink facade hiding mommy issues?
What is this reality?

>>72174500
For reasons

>>72185283
I read a little further into this. I don't know much about AKB48 but am interested in its history (for obvious reasons). Curiously, none of them shut done because of failures. 3 were COVID screwing up the debuts, the China one went independent after a contract violation, Iz*One was apparently always meant to be temporary with contracts only lasting 2 & a half years. The only one I'm unsure about it SDN48, but that seems like it was a redundant experiment to begin with, marketed as "idol group for adults"; allegedly it was similar to the 3 COVID cases, the 2011 earthquake fucked up the debut process

>>72201960
I think what he's saying is most of the songs under HololiveJP are them performing as solo artists, Yagoo wants a proper girl group

hololive DEV_IS EN will be a thing and very likely to be a mixed gen. their attempt at not only mixed gens but also to get men not attached to the holostars name.

>>72174500

>>72175153
>jounrey
Anon your post is unreadable

https://a.cockfile.com/MoeiyB.mp4

>>72206844
DEV_IS is a BRANCH
Regloss is the name of the gen/unit
and there will never be a fucking mixed gen

>>72210777
is real?link?timestamp?

>>72177171
EXPLAIN THIS

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bt2SxKoj0-4?si=ySNE3ZuLlFEXWN_w

The reception to HLZNTL ruined multiple plans and made people extremely wary of Regloss to start since they were introduced so close together. What a colossal fuckup, can only hope the retard who came up with the idea was shit canned.

>>72177049
>Senpais don't like them
source?

>>72211216
Next thread

>>72210903
calm down a bit. you'll get a heart attack at this rate.

a branch that will be further divided into its own main JP branch, EN branch and maybe ID branch if everything goes well. an experimental branch where they'll do things that they couldn't do with the others. that also includes the possibility of a mixed gen here and there if they find the proper candidates. it becomes the 3rd wing in addition to the main hololive and the main holostars section.

>>72206351
either yagoo or investors who somehow ended up not getting the joke about yagoo's idol dream. If making idols was the primary focus maybe a good 1/3 of the hires would never have been made because of how untrained and tone deaf they started or still are. Having ones like suisei just attracts hires that also want to sing as well as stream. The minimum singing requirement is probably performing for holofes

>>72211520
>it becomes the 3rd wing in addition to the main hololive and the main holostars section
As you can see from the image in OP, they're not a 3rd wing, they're under Hololive, which means females only.
Not sure why the weird obsession with mixed gender gens when they never really worked out even in Nijisanji.

>>72174554
Naruhodon't.

>seething over what is essentially an administrative label
The way I see it, Dev_Is is the Uproar equivalent for Hololive. You can see the lessons they learned from Uproar.
>their own channel where they put out content regularly
>the group is marketed together a lot more than the typical Holo gen
>strong emphasis on the group, using the main branch to help market the group
Most importantly, they applied the most important lesson from Uproar.
>slap on the main branch's name on it so if it doesn't work out they can just be rolled into the main branch no problem
>like how Uproar got rolled into Holostars
>hence why they're Hololive Dev_Is, if it doesn't work out they just become a subgroup within Hololive that just happens to have a name that isn't numbered(See: Hololive Gamers)

Could they have done it with a regular Holo gen? They could. But remember, Hololive as a brand right now needs to break into the normie sphere to expand more, appealing to basement dwelling unicorns and gachikois doesn't actually fulfill that objective.
Having 1 gen WITHIN HoloJP that is running different operations from the other gens doesn't make sense and it invites questions from the other talents("Why does gen7 get to do things that we aren't doing?", "Why does gen7 get their own non-standardised concert outfit?"). Now if you split them under their own group, all that goes away.

>>72212378
anon, all i mentioned was a dumb possibility in the future. no need to get so defensive about it.

that is, if DEV_IS grows big enough. the graph could change at any time if that happens in the future.

>obsession
far from it and it's only NIJI EN being retarded. JP is fine.

>>72212067
Idols don't NEED to sing, they just need to be idols. I'm sure Yagoo knew early on that Hololive would be better off prioritizing livestreaming to music. A girl group does require singing & dancing though.

>>72213781
Why do you always assume anyone replying to you is either angry or defensive? I'm not even the same guy you replied to earlier, btw.
I'd say the statement about coed gens holds true for NijiJP as well, when units like Chronoir and JK Gumi are their most popular.

>>72216273
i dunno who you're mistaking me for but I'm not certainly not that person.
the only thing anyone can do is to wait and see what the higher ups are trying to "cook" here. will it another UPROAR, a better UPROAR or will it be something else?

>>72216715
I'm not mistaking you with anyone.