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>both sides are happy
>black
yeah no, nice try dramafag

>>72134948
Its funny how hololive is the worst company ever but everyone else just seems to be worse somehow, really seems sometimes like holoans are just mad at holos clear superiority in every way, but that can't be right because hololive is the worst right?

>>72135092
>Keep her money and everything else in the doc
Sure Anon she is happy

who

>>72135092
>both sides are happy
>says one side

>>72134948
Nice try OP but nothing in this notice says black corpo.

they handled it about as well as they possibly could, not a jewbro but relieved for them that it didn't get messy and cause problems for the other talents

>Avoids talent doing an exit scam
>Offers refunds
>Black Corpo
Anon, she said on the doc that she asked for them to stop contacting her, they obliged on her wishes.

>>72135241
>not a jewbro
right... kek

>>72134948
How is this black? They are wishing her well and settling up the donothon issue in the most reasonable way possible

Damn, Nijifags are trying too hard to look good

>>72135167
Don't worry, no one will ever be bigger hololive anits than chumbuds, you guys have that in the bag.

>>72134948
>>72135187
https://twitter.com/fenriruvt/status/1771688458479612062

>>72134948
Yuko next

>>72135187
Says both sides. She addressed it as well.

>>72135350
Stop replying to yourself

>>72134948
>all payments were made accordingly
>we will refund people who ask and then give the remainder to her
So you didn't pay her.

>>72135436
Cope

I wonder what she's going to do next? Can't imagine any corpo is interested in a menhera who won't stream. And the drama isn't big enough to trigger savior fags to her indie.

>>72134948
>Dramaniggers pretending Idol cutting off their Rushia is Nijisanji assblasting Selen

>>72135486
Seethe

>issuing refunds to fans
>whatever is not refunded goes to the talent
>wishing her well on her future endeavors
Seems pretty above water to me. What else are they supposed to do?

>>72135463
Anon it's run by a jew of course they didn't pay her

>>72135463
She didn't show up to work

I think they handled this one very well

>>72134948
Didn’t Pochi have several groomers ? Companies should protect their talents better. Also the fact she felt so much pressure to get a loli model to appease idols fanbase. Black company

>>72135241
Retard, it did cause them trouble to the point management saw the show of support that her fans and other talents in idol did and just gave pochi everything she wanted
If you really think they would've done that without that happening you are retarded
This is the difference between niji and idol, both are fucking downright evil greedy little shits but idol is competent enough to know when to bow out and eat shit (even if they didn't want to and avoided that at the beginning until forced by pochis fans) and niji isn't

>>72135512
she's their rushia?
what did she do?

>>72134948
Nah that's actually a great way to handle this mess, it's also good that they recently issued changes in payments regarding "donothon" in order to avoid another situation like this.

>>72135544
Why would someone show up for a job they aren't getting paid for

>>72135682
So they could get paid.

>>72135631
She moved to america to live with REDACTED. She also had a moving donothon lmao. /JIDF/ knew this was fishy for months.

>>72135631
Idol PROMISED they’ll cover her subathon goals, then fall back and terminate her. They then proceed to not pay her for 2 months

>>72135583
her biggest groomer who dropped 30k between the two donothons is on her side
>Also the fact she felt so much pressure to get a loli model to appease idols fanbase
she got a loli model because she hated every single thing about her first one despite choosing the creative direction with it

Wait, where's the 3 page and 15 minute long character assassination attempt?

>>72135751
How many streams did she do in those 2 months?

>>72134948
both her models were perfect i'm going to miss them

>>72135167
Literally nobody mentioned Hololive, cumbud

>>72134948
She literally stopped streaming after getting a ton of money from donothon.

>>72135725
>do work and get all these donations
>they don't pay you for the work you did
They didn't pay her anon.

>>72135810
I was promised a yab from the jews where the fuck is it

>>72134948
>Post YFW another corpo tuber bites the dust

>>72134948
They settled it amicably which is surprising considering what was getting posted the past few days. Good on Idol.

>>72135849
Maybe if she worked and didn't went MIA

>>72135810
Imagine if this is what Niji did instead of this entire retarded shitstorm.

If you don't trust idol ask for a refund for the donothon and donate her yourself.
This is as close to a perfect public response, wtf are you guys on about. Black company my ass

I FUCKING HATE THIS BITCHES WHY COULDN'T THEY TREAT RIRO THE SAME WAY
SHE COULD STILL BE STREAMING

Gabexisters... not like this...

>>72135463
Part of the issue is that they planned to run away with the donothon money
She told her fans to refund it after they weren't paying her (typical jew shit) so they just proceeded to block all refunds
They clearly weren't expecting the backlash they got, its good that they course corrected after fans got vocal about it, but its still fucking black as hell, and a reminder to never trust corpos like that, only care about talents, idol is as black as every other corpo out there

The corpo era of vtubing is finally coming to a close. More and more girls will feel like they can be the next Dokibird, and companies will either bend over backwards like Idol so they don't end up looking like nijisanji, or they'll die stubbornly like VReverie.
Should be a fun remainder of the year. And yes, even the Fishman can bleed.

>>72135849
She literally stopped streaming and refused to do donothon goals.

>>72135884
She wasn't worth the effort, obviously.

>>72135849
She set the goals for the donothon and then didn't work on them at all, no fucking shit weren't going to pay her.

>>72135967
riro made the rookie move of going full menhera pre-doki

HoloEn 4 confirmed

>>72135973
I see this as an absolute win.

>>72135973
>More and more girls will feel like they can be the next Dokibird
No one can be her because she already have a fanbase that hate what Niji did to her

>>72135966
>perfect public response
Yes after trying everything else, and only after it was made clear that half the company would quit otherwise
They literally only did the "perfect public response" after it was clear (because they tried doing the opposite) they would fucking not exist if they didn't

>>72135463
How many of the donothon goals did she do?

>>72135975
Yeah no, nice try https://twitter.com/fenriruvt/status/1771688458479612062

>>72135605
NOT HER 239 FANS

>>72136150
Also all of this came to me in a dream btw

>>72135265
>Avoids talent doing an exit scam

This is actually kinda commendable on idol's part (and I do not want to just give them kudos for anything really). I fucking hate that shit where they have a big sad sob story at graduation and cry all the way to the bank and then reincarnate good as new in like 2-3 months. Completely manipulative cynical bullshit. However in this case I suspect it's more like "pochi hates streaming so much she won't even do a graduation" because she's similar to last-couple-years Gura in flakiness, no surprise people like her and Sana leave when the jig's up and it's obvious to all she just doesn't wanna do the gig.

>>72134948
>23nd
Got a good chuckle out of me. Anyway, what was the problem? I'm out of the loop.

>>72136034
>>72135987
>>72136155
The work was the donothon, not the rewards for the milestones. There was no contract that forced her to do that work.
It's called a scam anon, donothons are scams. I'm sorry you have to find out this way. All donothons are scams.

>>72136143
hopefully not. from what ive seen she's menhera as fuck and have taste so shit she replaced her first model that was way better than whatever the fuck it is we got

>>72135167
hololive isn't the worst company ever but its fans are definitely the worst part about this hobby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bEZQ00OOxY

>>72136155
Uh that would be 0

>>72136155
>raised 40k
Jesas that's 20 Rosemi 3Ds..

>>72136307
idol shit is always awful

>>72136143
The real Gura killer that would stream once a year at best

>>72136210
you do realise that if you sum up the other 2 talents that were vocally supporting pochi (including by shitting on management ON STREAM) its about half of idols viewership right?
Or are you retarded?
Anyway Pochi won, idol had to deservedly eat shit, all is right in the world again

>>72136036
Yuko was pre-doki and she still got to do whatever the fuck she wanted, as in fucking kill her career

>>72134948
So was jew corp holding her money hostage, or was pochi trying to scam her fans, or both?

>>72136150
OP is literally
>Wow another Corp end up being black who could've seen this coming
When they apparently finally did the right thing? How is that not fucking stupid.

>>72135167
GURA I KNEEL

>>72136361
agreed, but i wouldn't mind if they stuck to their "walled garden".

>>72136408
First part is true, second part can be assumed.

>>72136296
>erm the work is the donothon not the milestones
>okay we won't pay you till you start working on it then
>REEEEEEEEE
Idol did the right thing.

>>72136155
>promises offcollab
>plushie
>retro consoles future streams
>puts in the graduation notice immediately after
I wonder why would anybody defend her.

>>72136296
kek retard

>>72136296
>'scammers' refunding you
retard.

>>72134948
>23nd

>>72135167
I got banned from BVTM Discord for saying Cover wasn't a black company
True story

>>72136476
Idol withheld the money from her, which is dubious at best. She should have worked on the rewards, but they should have also given her the money she earned by doing the donothon.

>>72135967
You can't just put talents on blast post-Selen or they might pull the "I'm literally killing myself because of you" card on you and your whole company goes down in flames like NijiEN

>>72136408
Pochi was trying to scam her fans Idol held the money so they could do refunds when Pochi would refuse to complete the goals and graduate.

>>72136296
>There was no contract that forced her to do that work.
Evidently there was, or she would have been paid.

>>72136537
rofl that was the first thing I noticed as well

no one knows the definition of black corpo so the term is used when literally anything happens

>>72136410
It's just Nijisisters desperately trying to memoryhole their absolute shitshow by grasping at straws. This was a goof move by Idol, pretty fair stuff all around.

>>72136533
They wouldn't have done jack shit unless a backlash happened.

>menhera tries to rugpull fans
>okay but why is the corpo bad
Why are indiefags so brainrotted?

>>72136143
fuck no

Real Pochi graduated long time ago..

>>72136408
>did a donothon in early December
>asked to graduate in late December (for a January graduation)
>expected she'd be paid late January/early February
>was told in January that she has to complete the projects she promised to do first as part of the donothon
>didn't do a single of them in January, February or March
>complained that she totally would have if only she got paid and that jew corp is bad for not letting her get the money and run

>>72136307
t.

>>72135167
shiori could spill ice cream on the floor and tweet about it, Cover antis will try to work that into some kind of manipulative cuck story forced on her by the evil black company. they have no honest intent to actually fairly discuss Cover vs everyone else. at all.

>>72136408
I think it's mostly the second. They probably changed how donothons were to be payed out after Riro got terminated and got to run off with the money and it seems like she's pissed she didn't read the memo.

>>72135167
someone is saving all these shork smugposts for her graduation/indefinite hiatus announcement. The chummy salt will be astronomical

>>72136655
riro got terminated and fans got refunded as well, retard.

>>72136150
>only after it was made clear that half the company would quit otherwise
Dramanigger so deprived of drama they make up shit that has the flimiest of basis in reality

>>72136687
nigger i don't even know what this shit means

>>72134948
Let me remind our lovely people who don't know anything of her situation:
>the original hebrew generation was scheduled to redebut with new models on last September
>Pochi cut in line out of nowhere and got a redebut with a new model first. They had to delay.
>Roca was about to have her donothon in early December, after already rescheduling it because doing it right after Riro got fired would have looked awful
>Pochi cut in line and had her own donothon for moving to USA before her. She had to reschedule again.
>Katta and Nikki finally got their redebuts this last week
>Pochi went menhera and attracted twitter drama to the corp, and also made it look like the corp doesn't pay donothons. Guess who's having their donothons next? Katta and Nikki.
Basically she got preferential treatment at all times, cut in line for all projects, barely streamed, and tried to run away with the 40k she got in her SECOND donothon without completing all goals. Which, well, she succeeded! Congrats!
but jews bad so it's a black corp I guess

>>72136758
Yes, same deal

>try to out jew the jews
>lose out on 40k
>go home with zero dollars
LMAO Jews won low dif

>>72135583
>Didn’t Pochi have several groomers ?
had. most of them abandoned her and her biggest one is refunding his money and says he won't come back unless she streams regularly.

>>72134948
Is this the power of actually paying a PR department?

>>72136377
>including by shitting on management ON STREAM
>stream was 7 days ago
they won't last long

>>72136767
It's just nijinigger posting, don't think too much on it.

>>72134948
based corpo punishing rugpull

>>72134948
It's only March. What's next?

dont care unless its rin penrose

>>72136574
>which is dubious at best
I'd say that's the only proper solution. They should have announced her graduation, offer refunds and then pay her rest of the money. Any other way is scummy shit with either fans or the company getting the short end of the stick while the true culprit walks away winning.

>>72135876
Feels good man
Also cute fox

>72136830
nobody was talking about her unfulfilled goals, fans were just waiting for the suspension to end, they terminate her and offered refunds out of their own volition.

>>72136408
Did she do her donothon goals? The answer is no.

>>72136628
>of course idol didn't do anything wrong!
You know they could have been breaking the contract too, right? That's probably why they're still going to be giving her the remainder.

>>72136823
good riddance. put her down like the menhera mutt she is.

>>72136408
I dont watch idol but it seems more likely that the later caused the former. There's way too many cases of indies running donothons and doing jackshit for the milestones. Pochi probably thought she could do something similar or with the bare minimum amoutn of effort and peopel would forget it. Eventually this leads to issues with management which ended up in agreeing to terminate her.

What's the big deal? Ame never completed her donothon rewards and never streams.

>>72135167
It's just insane how many hoops people take to shit on hololive, honestly, from going to other threads, 99% of people watching these small corpos would be happier watching holo
Like go read what they complain about or what they want their talents to do 90% of the time its stuff that people in hololive do, but they just refuse to give it a shot because "holo le bad" so they keep rotating between these shit black companies and then be suprised when there is drama or they are scammed out of their money, it's so crazy
The funny thing is half of their threads consists of shitting on hololive unprompted too, so I feel like deep down they know it too, that it'd just be easier to not be a contrarian and just watch "the popular thing" that, would you guess it, is popular for a reason

>>72136599
NijiEN already bounced back, staying quiet has worked for them. Going down in flames would have been getting integrated to the global branch.

>>72137053
Or they agreed to do things this way to avoid litigation because it would be better for both parties.

>>72137115
This thread is about Idol not hololive, nijifag

>>72134948
She's getting married

Maybe, just maybe, don't allow your small corpo talents to do donothons. Maybe it's healthier if these random 2views/3views don't suddenly get a massive injection of money.
I'm available for HR consulting.

Hey at least idol didn't slander her on her way out so we now have a definitive hierarchy of agencies
>Holo
>Phase
>Idol
>
>
>
>Niji

>>72136574
>but they should have also given her the money she earned by doing the donothon.
No they shouldn't have Pochi literally had 3 donothons and never finished all of the goals for any of them, the money isn't "earned" until all the goals are complete until then its just a scam.

>>72136823
Holy whore behavior

Isn't giving a refund the opposite of a black company

>>72136823
What was her reason for getting a new model anyway? Her first one was more than adequate

>>72137115
Ame didn't pocket the money though, it all went to whatever charity she was doing at the time, also a lot of the milestones she made were last minute because fans instantly reached the charity goal and Ame had to make up new goals on the spot to just keep the charity stream going

>>72137137
This will still happen, this or a full rebranding. No way Riku will keep the diseased limb attached any longer than he needs to.

>>72137212
>phasetards ignoring the actual second Vshojo
A classic

>>72137116
>It's just insane how many hoops people take to shit on apple, honestly, from going to other threads, 99% of people using these other phones would be happier buying an iPhone
ftfy
and sorry, not falling for iToddler rhetoric

>>72137218
Then they shouldn't have let her do a donothon?

>>72136408
after riro got terminated and idol had to pay out of pocket to refund her donothon they made a change in contracts so talents get donothon money after they complete the goals. pochi said this was in her new contract, but she didn't read it before signing it so she didn't know.

>>72137137
Riku won't merge EN so soon
It would kill their stock price

>>72137257
She said the original one wasn't exactly what she asked for (hair was too orange or something) and the original mama was hard to contact so they went with someone else to make getting new costumes easier, if I recall correctly.

>>72134948
>kikes don't character assassinate their talent for once
>phase mem turns out to be a lesbo and not a coal burner
absolutely brutal day to be a dramanigger

Selen lied

>>72136307
>>72136361
>>72136442
So true, nijisisters! We need more da boyz to rape us with their tentacles!!!

>>72134948
Honestly, Pochi came out of this looking like a retard

>>72136823
Potential 40k* she will get whatever fans don't refund. Some people donate in the heat of the moment and with a cool head might feel like wanting their money back, some fans will feel wronged and want their money back. Only groomers won't refund.

>>72137347
We all make mistakes.

>>72137508
back to the pagpag fields millie

>>72137381
In retrospect, no. At the time they didn't know she was planning to quit with all of the money. Would have been very bad for them with fans demanding refunds on money they no longer had

>>72137439
Short selling is currently banned on Anycolor stock, so now's the perfect time to do crazy shit with EN.

>>72137420
That's not what she said. She said they tried changing the contracts and she fought them over it because whatever the changes were threatened her "freedom," and then all the donothon shit happened after that outside of the contract thing.

>>72137513
faggot you've had that image saved for over a year?

>>72136823
Nijicucks are actually trying to make this grifter look like the victim lol

>>72137529
Note that 11k of those came from her biggest whale, who said he's going to refund it. 10k came from another whale who hasn't said anything yet.

>>72135167
BASED BASED BASED

>>72135381
>>72135424
But see >>72137465

>>72137609
>>72137420
they made it clear in statement that there were no policy changes

>>72137439
>>72137335
I hope so, because these days I have noticed that the flamming of NijiEN has slowed down immensely as of late (after the Uki debacle), just shitting on them for the 140 concert mostly.

>don't get money after months of begging
>get feed up and threathen to drag Idol's reputation through the mud
>jews finally give on *Pochi's* money
>"Wow, Idol is such a great and fair company"
Are you for real? Idol's created this sitch in the first place.

>>72136823
>jews bad
Yes, I'm glad we agree. TKD

>>72136155
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nCac7-qvQsV2Pfpq2uvtVtO38TpxTYt7RfH2W5Jllfs/edit#gid=0 She has two here. Note the email that made this btw

>>72136687
lol what did Reimu even say?

>>72137137
Bounced back from what? They are still bleeding subs, views, and money.

>>72137603
So you're telling me management literally didn't pay any attention to one of their talents so much they let her do another donothon and then only after receiving a bunch of money did they do anything about it, causing problems and losing at least one talent in the process? Sounds like bad management to me.

>>72134948
Now we wait for Pippa and Dizzy to graduate from Phase.

A lot calmer than the Riro statement. It does confirm they were holding the money, but given the nature of things people will have mixed opinions on whether that was justified or not.

>>72137604
It doesn't matter if its banned now
the moment that shit is lifted, the stock will drop to below 2000
EN is one of the Anycolor's pillars (overseas expansion). Without it, they only have the domestic expansion, but they can only grow so much in Japan (since they already are big AF)

>>72137814
If they didn't hold onto the money they'd be paying refunds out of pocket. If they ran things the way you want they'd go bankrupt quickly.

>>72136823
Are donothons the biggest red flag in Vtubing?
>If she succeeds she is an amazing vtuber that appreciates her fanbase
>If she fails at it she just cares about your money and laziness takes control of her personality

>>72137210
agree there, if you have them do multiple donothons and they make like 100k, they may stand back and then see that their normal stream effort amounts to putting like 3-6+ hours a day in for a couple hundred bucks vs the donothon being just 1-2 focused days making 10-20x the amount. they'll just want to do donothons then.

>>72136143
Do you want Gabe crawling back?

I'm usually all for the drama but there's like...nothing here? OP is a faggot

So many idol shills in the thread

>>72137925
They wanted to keep money from TWO donothons, one made specifically for the chuuba?

EN4?

>>72137897
This just shows me that Idol will hold all the money a talent will earn until they deem it appropriate to give it to them, and sometimes they will just hold all of it until a huge situation arises that threatens the company itself. Hell, they could be holding back every single superchat from their talents and you would never know unless a talent tries to take them to court.

>>72137989
Idol will probably be a lot more careful about donothons now, they have like 3 new gens ready to debut too so I doubt they'll give the new talents as much freedom for those as the previous ones.

Basically what I'm getting is donothons are scams and should be banned outright

>>72137880
Their stocks and subs are back on the incline, and Vox is streaming again

>>72135167
Pochi lasted longer than Coco, girl from Vreverie lasted about the same as Sana and no one brought up anything. Schizo stop trying to cause problems so people will shit up each others generals

>>72137883
They thought they were helping her. She was trying to scam her fans. Whoever held onto the donothon money just saved idol 40k in out of pocket refunds.

>>72136356
how many pieces of paper is that? 10?

>>72137529
>might feel like wanting their money back
Nah. Same shit with preorder - 90% of people are too lazy to refund it even they've changed their mind

Well, I guess this is the best thread to ask why she changed her model to pander lolicons, her previous model in some way already pander them, why going overload in the loli pandering when your old model is already really nice?

>>72138045
>I'm usually all for the drama
kill yourself. use a slow, painful method, even if it takes multiple attempts.

>>72138051
It should be of no surprise that the chosen people's company has paid shills downplaying this

>"company bad indie good" means she is justified in doing a donothon (which are essentially a series of promised content for money) and immediately leaving without fulfilling her promises

>>72137814
>commit 2 prior exit scams
>plans third
>act all shocked when she isn't able to get away with it
Quit defending this scammer, sister. Niji will always be the blackest

>>72138066
>They wanted to keep money from TWO donothons
In what fucking world do you live in? they were keeping the money so they could refund it because she was going to bail without complete goals that were donated for.

>>72134948
>>72135167
*ahem*
I warned you about Israelis bro.
I told you dog.

>>72135092
>we will destroy your life if you dont sign
>ok
BOTH SIDES CAME OUT HAPPY

Idol seems to be both pro-consumer and pro-talents at the same time (at their literal expense), so how the fuck do these things to happen to them?

>>72137897
How would they not hold the money? Only naive folks would think any corporate talent would or should have a secret way to directly fund the themselves without the company knowing and in the one case there was strong evidence of it happening, it led to termination. As bad as an example the Nijisanji contract, it gives you a good idea of how these things usually go. The talent can't get any form of gift or money outside of the corporation and has agreements for the cut they get for their work and for what.

>>72138159
You're still a faggot, OP. Kill yourself first.

>>72137883
She had two months between the donothon and moving. If she made a actual attempt to complete some of the goals prior to moving she would have had the money, I feel like.

>>72138090
considering pochi was a shitter that wasted a bunch of their resources for basically nothing except further reputational decline when she ditched them, it makes sense to me they'd be like "you need to actually be working here to get your money" or something.

but still I wouldn't withhold it once it's already been paid out. if pochi exit scammed the company itself (and then blamed them) as a result then maybe as has been said, stop doing fucking donothons then (and viewers stop fucking donating to them and enabling this bullshit).

>>72138112
Yep, and now you know why indies do them so often. Donothons subathons, all scams.

>>72138066
They wanted to hold onto the money until she completed the goals to protect their ass. Which turned out to be the correct move

>>72138090
She put in a notice before her next payday. They were scheduled to sent it to her but that retard couldn't even wait to receive the money. They withheld it after it became clear she never had intention to fulfill anything.

>>72138306
She had no reason to do the goals if she wasn't getting paid...

>>72134948
>Puts company on blast
>Might actually go about justifying months of shitty behavior
>Actually it was just a misunderstanding lol
Genuinely fuck Pochi and all her future endeavors, I feel sorry for anyone who bothered with her. What a capital waste of time she was.

>>72138137
>We're going to help you by not paying you, aren't you glad?
The only thing they helped are the company accounts.

>>72138218
>"let me commit a third scam!"
>"no"
she didnt deserve to come out of this happy

How much are you people being paid per post?

>>72138224
this is both pro-consumer and pro talent

If the consumer donated for a subathon goal and wants their money back they will get it
If the consumer donated because they like Pochi she will still get her money

>>72138371
I think getting paid is reason enough to do them.

is it worth grooming notpochi? Is she gonna pull out for the groomcord?

>>72137776
why haven't they posted the contract like they said they would?

>>72138417
I'm under NDA but keep seething that you didn't get your drama so I can keep earning more

People always say that you are not entitled to vtubers just because you give them money.....and them when they fucking make an event that is all about "Give me money and I'll do X for you" the fans are still in the wrong? lmao I hate how much toxic positivity this fandom has

>>72137116
>but they just refuse to give it a shot because "holo le bad"
That's not the reason, it's the cover the use, but the actual motivation is to get in early with those 2-3view chuubas and get close to/groom them. Literally many such cases, hell they even did it in Niji with Finana.
>>72137367
I exclusively watch Hololive and have also never bought an apple product, what's your point exactly? I don't see how the comparison is apt

>>72138371
She was still getting paid her salary, it's the 41k donothon money she didn't get because she showed intent to bail before completing its goals.

>>72138371
She planned goals that she knew she wouldn't be fulfilling.

>>72137682
>Donating 10k to some anime girl ethot.
Grim.

>>72138457
She earned the money when she got her fans hyped for upcoming content.

>>72137761
Absolute acute drama withdrawal psychosis

>>72138551
which goals didn't she fulfill?

>>72134948
isn't this the person who told her fans to fuck off after she disappeared for months?

>>72138112
>>72138309
Reminder that Pochi also did a donothon before graduating on her PL and also bailed before finishing all goals.
Or so I've heard.

>>72136823
>she got preferential treatment at all times, cut in line for all projects, barely streamed, and tried to run away with the 40k she got in her SECOND donothon without completing all goals. Which, well, she succeeded
sounds like she was fucking someone in management. i guess not even small corpos like that are immune to cliques fucking black as shit
Must suck for every other talent in the company, i know I'd feel horrible knowing that she just did whatever she wanted and management had to bend backwards and let her get away with everything

>>72137116
No one in Holo En streams so...

>>72138551
>planned
That's giving Pochi too much credit

At what point are we just going to accept that these corps that aren't hololive don't have the sway or power to tard rangle these girls who think they deserve more than what they agreed to when they signed their contracts?

>>72138576
That money was for the content, not the promise.

>>72138624
I heard she had sex with me on stream and was impregnated by me.
Or so I've heard.

>>72138458
see >>72135784, hope you have big pockets

>>72136823
>>72138650
Look guys I'm just gonna say it: If you didn't listen to the antisemitic lizard chuds you probably should have.

Are you ok small corpos?

>>72138650
At this point it feels pretty clear that Tomer (as in the guy who got fired for having something with Riro) was involved in a lot more things. It was like all talents got bitchy when he left.

I mean they did what Pochi wanted in the end.

>>72138746
They are unable to hire capable managers. Her colleagues made tweets about cancelling streams hours before this.

>>72138403
How do you figure? They made no money off holding the money. They stopped themselves from LOSING money and potential legal action

Reminder that Idol's recently added "non-refundable" donothon clause. Next time, they won't pay shit in the same situation.

>>72137853
Thanks for the clarification, kinda strange because it feels like most of the girls in idol have like 4-5 goals that they haven't done yet... Now to be fair those goals seem to be pretty rough to complete so it's kinda understandable why it would take a while to deliver.
For Pochi's case though it seems that she had leftovers goals from her first donothon that she didn't complete, had the second donothon and only did half of them, which were the easy ones to complete.

>>72135381
I don't care about what's being talked about in this thread but god damn bring that model back.

>>72138687
gura does

>>72138867
They can absolutely make money on that money, and then when shit goes down they can cash out wnd end with a net positive on the balance. Do you not know how business works?

>>72137210
>Maybe, just maybe, don't allow your small corpo talents to do donothons.
You're right. Donothons have been nothing but drama for small corpos.

>>72138746
There's always risk involved in this business, they gotta get smarter with how they hire people if they know they haven't got the power to control the volatile ones. That said, I think it's dumb that people will defend rug pull donothon scammers because le corpo bad, at the end of the day they might have the "upper hand" in the "power dynamic" but the people running a company are just as much people as any other vtuber out there, they can be screwed over by bad actors too.

>>72138890
>Reminder that Idol's recently added "non-refundable" donothon clause
They learned from the best.

funny watching dramafags just make shit up now that they didn't get what they were hoping for

>>72138612
No. Yuko was persuaded to not graduate.

>>72136823
>Barely stream to begin with
>Do not one bit of the work you promised to do
>Walk away with 40k-ish dollars, on top of whatever you made before
Man, women sure do have it easy.

>>72138070
Yeah bro, her and Oceane, EN4.

>>72134948
Holy fuck the whole time I thought this drama was about Iida Pochi, not some literally who.

>>72139145
stay in your walled garden faggot

>>72138116
>Vox is streaming again
On Bilibili

>>72137137
>NijiEN already bounced back
A third of their streams since Selen's termination make less than U.S. minimum wage ($7.25/hour). Rosemi's 3D debut got worse CCV and superchats than Petra's a week earlier--and Petra's overlapped HoloFes. Elira only recently dared to speak, and neither she nor Vox have actually streamed since the Black Screen. How is this "bounced back"?

>>72139116
pochi did it, too
that's why there are so few mourners

>>72139077
jej

>>72136307
this

>>72139120
>>Walk away with 40k-ish dollars
*144k shekels

>>72139077
I'm surprise there's no interest rate

>>72135167
No you don't understand! Popular thing bad!

>>72134948
grim few days for small corpo fans

>>72138892
Note also that UWU roleplay and Retro consoles were completed but not updated on the sheet. Retro consoles was only done after she was informed they wouldn't be paying her until she did some tasks.

Why the fuck are women so retarded that they have me defending the goddamn jews

>>72139365
If you find yourself defending Jews from women you may want to reevaluate some life choices, Anon.

Pochi is legend for being able to make a Jew give a refund.

>>72135973
>bend over backwards like Idol
Idol bent her over by getting her to retract her dokilarp doc and agree to the company's termination. When Niji asked Doki to sign BS, she refused

>>72134948
>desperate drama tranny calling anything a black company now
Kill yourself

>>72139365
The proper action is to not defend either, as idol was being scummy and not paying her, and she was trying to scam her viewers

>>72139592
how is not enabling her to scam her viewers scummy behavior

>>72138224
Thats how you can take advantage of corpo, happened to Kawaii now happening to Idol. Sometimes you need to be harsh but fair, sadly dramafag(false) brought attention to this shit and forced them to take the loss.

>>72139592
How is not giving her the Donothon money so they can refund it scummy?

>>72135167
Nice (You) farm

>>72137116
>The funny thing is half of their threads consists of shitting on hololive unprompted too
this is a fucking lie because I see holofags shitting up threads way more like the post you're replying to, and the post I'm replying to.

>>72135167
Let sleeping dogs lie.

>>72139677
It shows that Idol isn't paying their talents for the work they do. They weren't protecting viewers, they were only interested in themselves.

>>72139812
>It shows that Idol isn't paying their talents for the work they do.
No it doesn't, it shows they weren't paying a specific talent for work they haven't done yet. Pochi was still receiving all of her membership, merch and superchats.

>>72137210
The only reason Idol was considered profitable is cause of the donothon spam. They quite literally need it to survive.

>>72139922
>The only reason Idol was considered profitable is cause of the donothon spam.
They have a 0% cut for Donothons and they pay to run ads during them how is that profitable?

>>72134948
donothon into cucking/scamming your fans pipeline

>>72135846
The hell you talking about she got about half done before she stopped due to non payment.
Also look up the companies policy for donothon money. They're supposed to get paid in full first and then the company finances the goal/project cost.

>>72139788
Are you sure they're """"holofags""""?

>>72135973
>The corpo era of vtubing is finally coming to a close.
>Hololive exists
kek

>>72140175
Yes. They're the biggest bootlickers enough who will try to defend a jewish corp at all costs

>>72139812
There is a bit of protecting themselves in that they don't want to refund out of pocket, but then you think about "why" they feel the need to refund to begin with. Because the talent didn't "do" the work.
Their mistake here was not putting strict enough rules around donothons in writing. Or just not allowing donothons to begin with, there's too many examples of people dipping after bagging donothon money without fulfilling anything for it to be considered a "safe" thing.

>>72134948
>Do donothon
>Instantly run from corpo with money
The Kawaii special, man i'm really getting tired of seeing these greedy whores, vet them better.

>>72134948
>amicably resolve a difficult issue with girl suffering mental health issues unable to perform her activities as a streamer
>OMG BLACK COMPANY
Is there any situation where you retards don't cry black company?

>>72140388
Anon, they stopped it this time. Read the notice.

>>72134948
Seems like the cleanest possible resolution. Good on them for taking a few days to straighten things out, this could have been a lot uglier.

>>72140451
Sisters will do anything to take away attention from their black company

>>72140175
true, I wasn't thinking too hard and I forgot where I am.

Ruh roh !!

>>72139812
She actually accidentally said that she was still receiving her salary in the google doc now that I recall. Another retarded move, if she implied she wasn't getting paid at all she'd receive a lot more support.

>>72139922
I don't know where you got this from. I don't think you need much insider baseball knowledge to see quite clearly that a vtuber corpo's overhead is basically just the cost of food, bills and rent of the talents and however many employees you hired, or have no employees. I don't think you need donothons to survive.

I thought you guys were antisemites but you're not blaming the jews for this one huh

>>72137989
>Are donothons the biggest red flag in Vtubing?
yeah it sounds absolutely retarded but you're going to have paypigs ready to speeeeeend their retirement money on glorified twitch whores that really need twenty thousand american dollars to emulate some video game consoles (they're from a jewish company so they can't be bothered to lift a finger unless it's to pocket the money and run).

>>72140606
shut up ruskie

>>72140606
based

>>72140451
They're calling Idol a black company because Idol didn't let Pochi run off with the money from her donothon without completing the goals and is refunding it.

>>72140548
Wow, another post of the same exact thing... We get it, you hate Nijisanji. I hope you didn't think you were being subtle

>>72134948
This is the most non black corpo graduation announcement I've seen in a while
The jews knows how to handle their menheras

>>72140458
Nah, they didn't, i assure you her paypigs will leave with her.

>>72137367
Android still has much bigger market share than iphone, retard. The fuck is this comparison.

Setting everything aside, what a waste of a cute voice and two cute dog models.

>>72134948
>end up being
Why are there unironically so many third world people who don't speak english on this board? What actually draws you to white and japanese mentally ill women pretending to be anime in languages you don't speak?

>>72140606
See >>72137344
AoC in Israel is 16.

>>72140451
It's just the nijisisters trying to deflect from their pitch black company, pls andastand

>>72140606
/wasp/ femanon, your thread got deleted for a reason. Nobody will watch you if you keep shilling yourself like that.

>>72140606
Who?

>>72140786
This, I'm going to miss them dearly. At least we got a handful of god tier porn.

>>72140786
Didn't she shot herself in the foot with calling herself a bitch in the beginning? I heard youtube algo doesn't like cursing in the begining of a video.

>>72140884
Aviel CEO of idolen

>>72138138
>ccv is now measured in finanas
>money is measured in pieces of paper
The golden age of /vt/

I wonder if she'll still post her feet in her RM as well

>>72134948
>Oh wow another Black Corpo!!!

Actual Nijisanji deflection shit.

>>72137116
Holo ENs are too boring for me and I'm not enough of a larper to watch chuubas I don't understand.
It's also a bit fucked how much stuff Holo's have to pay for themselves, seeing how high the company cut is and that everything they pay for ends up being the property of Cover in the end.

>>72140606
what does this have to do with the situation at hand?

>>72140606
Ruh-roh

>>72138116
On fucking chinktube.
Meanwhile Rosami who mostly has western fans barely made any money on her big 3D debut.

>>72140606
Wait, what is it you're wanting me to be angry about here

>>72140726
I think they just learned that crucifying your talents in these isn't a very good look, like their last one.

>>72139788
>because I see holofags shitting up threads way more
Best example this thread and the start of this chain of posts.

>>72140606
someone on twitter said it so it must be true

>>72141066
Was this from Pochi or pre-Pochi Fen?

>>72135381
> My agency
> slips up in the end
kek why even bother with the song and dance if you're just gonna name them openly like that?
might as well tell your fans who you were too

>>72134948
I hope most of it gets refunded. Bitch wasted two top tier models and scammed a bunch of people.

>>72137513
>iphone filename
anon... how much did you scroll for that?

>>72141108
>gays in israel look up age of consent so much it comes up before age of consent for couples of the opposite sex

>>72141108
penile code

>>72140965
Link to this one?

>>72139178
Vox's Youtube audience was negligible.

>>72139178
Vox called bilibili his fucking safe space lmao

>>72135884
Sounds like her going public (or threatening to go even more public) worked.

>>72141461
It sounds like the opposite. She got canned.

>>72135167
Hololive does have a suspicious number of health breaks and mysterious graduations but they are much better at hiding their dirty laundry. The ability to maintain the illusion that all their vtubers love their corporation is actually a sign that management is competent. Would still have to be naive to believe everything that Cover has said especially with HoloEN which have been acting fishy since 2022.

>>72141382
https://files.catbox.moe/jxebab.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/hcjuhf.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/jrivlf.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/74jhbx.png
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Here's my favorite pics, you can find a few others on #poecchi.

>>72141108
Ruh roh isaach!

>>72134948
>graduation
>effective immediately
HϾh? Are the kikes trying to save face by calling it a graduation?

>>72137210
Idol is the donothon company, anon.

>>72141766
Apparently she hated streaming so much that she didn't want to do a graduation stream

>>72138138
Just under nine, actually.
If you wanna get anal, it's 8.988764 papers.

>>72141656
Curse you, anon! I came to a blue board for drama, not to get horny!

>>72134948
*accidentally refunds everyone on April 10th in your path*

>>72137853
>Juna has only one goal left
Workhorse.

>>72141461
Seems a fair resolution either way. She's out like she wants, Idol aren't out of pocket refunding anyone who is upset at the donothon goals not being completed, and she gets what's left over as assumed anyone who doesn't request a refund still wants it to go to her.
The additional grace being Idol releasing her from whatever remains of her contract term, which isn't insignificant given what they have invested in her.

>>72134948
Yuko next

>>72134948
what's the qrd? i remember liking her first design from when she debuted

>>72141565
She wanted the money and she wanted out of the company. She achieved 90% of the first goal and 100% of the 2nd.
Are you stupid?

>>72142153
Menhera.

>>72137210
This

>>72134948
You cucks better refund every single penny so that this bitch gets nothing.

>>72142153
she grifted her fans by becoming a loli after a hiatus and continued to do barely anything while asking for money.

so from what i get from all of this is Pochi did not finish her promised 48 hour donothon and demands to get paid for it? ngl thats a pretty scummy move

>>72139077
what's that

>>72143064
Pfizer

>>72143064
Shekel symbol

>>72142891
She did a 48 hour donothon but donothons have goals. Certain amounts donated will have the streamer needing to do certain task at monetary thresholds. She had no intention to honor any of those donation goals and wanted to bail. Idol handled this marvelously, and just shows whoever is in charge with the termination notices in Nijisanji is divorced from the culture in the west to have termination notices lacking any form of tact.

>>72141656
thank you!

>>72138522
winning move is not to play yada yada yada

>>72142059
>donothon was a year ago
my oshi does her goals in less than 3 months, what is wrong with idol whores?

>>72144369
your should cherish your oshi for she is rare, most donothons are just scams

>>72144369
it got so bad that they started forcing a deadline for donothon goals (and that's when a lot of talents reactivated their PLs)
Some people just don't want to work after all

>>72140388
> vet them better
This is what separates the good corpos from the bad ones.
They're supposed to filter the whores and give the audience the best talents they can.
If they fuck that up, there's literally zero reason to watch them over indies or other, better corpos.
muh "talent freedom" and "we pay the talents well" and all that jazz doesn't help unless you have a godlike scouting team to separate the wheat from the chaff.

>>72144369
I bet she works hard on all 2 of them.

>>72144997
>making shit up because there is no way there is a good vtuber out there
find yourself an actual good vtuber, for your own good

Another donothon SLOPtuber gone again, what will we do now bros??

>>72135167
Literally the only difference is that holos make enough money fridged in a corner to bother staying
Autistic low 3views have no incentive to keep up appearances