/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>7208713
>Is Kiara really a narcissist?
No

/thread

why was this thread made?
if you wanted (you)'s then here i guess.

>>7208713
Not really. /vt/ just gets anti threads everyday so at this point it's just an around-the-clock tradition.

>>7208713
>Is (insert thing you read on /vt/) true?
No.

>>7208783
Kiara anti-antis are literal retards

>>7208713
OP did you really believe the retards on this site cmon now

Not a narcissist, but she clearly has an ideal of what a "hololive gen" should be and forces that. Not good or bad, and definitely exaggerated, but still there.

A little narcissism is to be expected in this profession. I don't see the problem. She wants to be looked at.

>>7208892
Kiara anti-anti-antis have got to be the most pathetic people on this board.

>>7209626
I see you haven't met Kiara anti-anti-anti-anti's yet.
Lurk Moar.

>>7208713
Honestly no. It's mostly a forced meme. She has some ESL moments but when it comes to her personality she actually isn't selfish at all. Especially since she cares so much abou the other girls. She is a Unitychad, maybe only beaten by Ame in that aspect.

>>7208713
You're able to interact more with your audience when it isn't huge. It's why getting too big can be a bad thing.

>>7208713
its just a matter of perception anon. do you want to see her as a bad person or not

>>7208713
Who isn't a narcissist these days.

>>7208713
Just leave well enough alone, I swear people hate (you) more than anything. Anyone that can understand how the pic is related probably wouldn’t feel the need to hate her. It’s these crybaby cringelords she attracts that are the most despicable. You don’t need to defend her, you don’t even need to exist.

>>7209932
thats just false, because I posted several jokes and comments in a slow 2k viewer stream with Ame, Gura, Calli, and Ina, and it gets completely ignored whilst they talk about playing the game, or whatever is happening.

Whereas Kiara has regularly read my comments in a 5k viewer stream, and even a 12k collab stream.

Saying its numbers, completely absolves the other girls of their lack of effort, and diminished Kiaras surplus of effort to perusing chat and making an effort to interact.

>>7208713
mellowed-down kiara anti here.

Initially thought that Kiara's a big narcissist for: 1) trying to jump on Pekora bandwagon train (pekora fangirling and copying her laugh), 2) being very loud during collabs, and attention-whoring, 3) bringing a lot of attention to herself, even when she's talking about others, or she's in a place when the spotlight is not and should not be on her.

But the more I encounter her, especially her roommate's comfy birthday stream, from what I've seen, I'd say that she's less of a narcissist, and more of an abrasive, loud, and sometimes socially-inept but also a unitychad, hardworking, and caring person.

I still hate how loud she is, but I can't deny that a few of her flaws are exaggerated to fuel anti-rrats.

>>7208713
You misrepresented the other side on that. If you feel like being angry, you can be angry at me. Here's what people who don't really like her think:

>She's got an extreme inferiority complex and resents her coworkers' success, which is normal
>she pushed the vtubing medium via mixing Hololive, with 3dtubers, particularly Gigguk/offlineTV/etc getting close.
This is bad because the operative part of vtubing is virtual, not tubing. You can be in the new majority all you want, but this is the case regardless of how many redditors agree with you that I'm "wrong." Go check the board sticky, the reason you don't doxx their identities is because the medium is centered around the virtual aspect of this.
>Her past life included woke-dom, which would normally be fine, if her out-of-hololive collabs weren't with people like Nyanners, and pushing the medium in that direction
>the general vibe people who don't like her get is that people who come into some recently established new hobby try to change it by reducing it to the mean instead of changing themselves or rejecting the hobby outright, and Kiara was pandering to this crowd.
>what isn't kosher for Hololive is her number of candid moments where these things show.

The low-level meme is the ME. ME ME ME. The higher level stuff is a general worry and anxiety when the main vtubing Agency in the world has such an influence on the medium, and one of the talents might cheapen it by reducing it down to "just another form of tubing."

vtubing is special because it is niche. the medium is as unique to 3dtubing as visual novels are to anime manga and light novels.

When chuubas like Kiara or Ollie start doing what they do in large vtubing roles, it cheapens the medium and changes it, much the same as Japanese illustration and gaming have progressed from being a niche to a medium where the core fanbase are now a (nearly abandoned) niche.

Invariably, the west brings with it neo-liberal politicization, which is why you're seeing the reaction to it being "evil nazis" or whatever you guys call people you disagree with.

What Kiara was doing was not only selfish for Hololive's longevity, brand, and selling points, it's dangerous in how it progresses the medium towards the creative hellscape youtubing, telltale/candycrush "gaming," and countless other hobbies have become.

That's the actual good faith explanation. And I believe everything I just said. Your guaranteed reaction to it is exactly why you get "evil right wing memes" and "unbelievable evil trolls shitting on jackscepticeye" and "gamers elected donald trump because of gamergate."

I just want my hobby, and I keep helping make them and you keep taking them. Don't be surprised what that does to people.

from pity subs to pity threads, pfff pathetic

>>7210499
Not saying that you're wrong, but you do know that neoliberal (economy and hence culture) is a conservative thing, right? Thatcher is dead?

>>7208713
Stream Sparks.

>>7210499
I'll say this though: despite this worry, it seems that Amelia, Mori, Ollie, and Kiara have had a reaction to either these critcisms or Coco graduating.

I don't care what the cause really was, the motive is generally the same.

Coco left because of the creative (and managerial) constraints Cover Corps policies in shaping vtubing have been for her personally. But the trend has developed to the rest of the talents. The medium itself can progress and refine, no reasonable person has a problem with that.

The current method of getting approval for playing titles to hedge against takedowns on youtube is killing the variety in on Chuuba to the next. They're all playing Gartic phone, and the only thing I've really missed by watching one Holo and not the other is a Shion pun. Coco's main positive from graduating for vtubing was missed so far.

But, the other knock-on effects of that, assuming that's what caused them to tone down some of the behaviors I didn't like about 3 of the HoloENs and Ollie have been positive for Hololive, and at least a bandaid on those medium-concerns I mentioned earlier.

Most people now shit on KFP because the people there are rabbid reddit-tier/redditor trash that operate like most cults, which puts an even worse taste in people's mouths about Kiara/Amelia/Mori, that they don't really deserve.

Anyway, that's about it for explaining this one out of me. Believe it or don't, I'm satisfied telling you the truth.

>>7210499
I completely get your view, but my belief is this anxiety towards Kiara is overblown.

She has shown, even more than the other girls that shes a massive UnityCHAD. And she is a huge hololive defender or upholder of its core tenants. Even in collabs with unlikable parties, she has really quite well maintained her character, and pushes back on the real-world forces quite well.

Have trust in her, she's good.

Ollie on the other hand...is a ticking time bomb. Sorry, what I've seen from her gives me no hope. I like her and wish her to follow Kiaras example, but I get the feeling shes bent on making hololive mix exactly with that new crowd.

>>7210880
When asked if any of the Trash Taste people would be on Holotalk Kaira said "ew no what the hell" and said that her being at the Shadowverse tournament with Gigguck was gonna be a one time thing. And it really does feel like something Calli dragged her into. Ollie on the other hand really seems to want this to be a normal thing

>>7210668
>neoliberal (economy and hence culture) is a conservative thing, right?

Politely, I disagree. I've spent over a decade on here, and neoliberals are the prostitutes of socialpolitik. They do what's socially convenient, politically, because they've replaced the needs they fulfilled through religion with neoliberalism.

Conservatives on the other hand are just a bad larp at traditionalism/classical liberalism. I think you've fallen for the misnomer that the liberalism conservatives advocate for is neoliberalism instead of classical, but that's just me.

neoconservatives are another flavor of prostitute, enjoying the themes of warfare that they don't have to fight, kind of like neoliberals enjoy the themes of freedom they don't really have to experience.

conservatives can range between the two of these, but the left end of the gradient is the pipeline to becoming a neoliberal by quitting church and the right end is the /pol/ or nowadays nu/pol/ pipeline.

Again, that's just where I and a lot of people like me come from. It's cool if we disagree, but I guess sometimes you don't really get to see good faith arguments out of us since we don't really feel like engaging in that way. It feel really moot.

But again, I'm here for virtual youtubers, and this is about the limit of being on-topic to board so I'll drop it.

>>7210499
Hate to be the one to tell you this man, but every niche hobby that gains popularity is going to go through this.
The reason? Money. Creators want to get paid for their work, and if they are corporate then the corp absolutely wants the biggest ROI possible.
The niche crowd can only provide so much financial support. So if the scene is going to grow then it's a necessity that it will also get diluted by the effort to pay for it all.

>>7210990
seriously, this Stacy is so underated sometimes

The secret about Kiara's antis is that they've been having a schizophrenic fit about her that's lasted 10 years. They are terminally butthurt.

>>7211004
Pretty based polite anon, ain't coming from a hostile place too. Honestly a fresh take compared to my usual history/political reads. Dropping the topic here as well.

>>7210223
I'm glad I make you feel bad. Have you considered suicide to alleviate the suffering?

>>7211248
Learn how to read you fucking retard. You are just embarrassing yourself.

>>7211402
That's the thing, anon, whatever it is you're trying to say is muddled by shitty English.If you're a Kiara anti, kill yourself. If you're not an anglo, kill yourself.

Most of her fans know this. Her haters dont bother to notice.

When a Vtuber is really interactive, it instantly sweetens them up to viewers. Kiara is the most interactive, which is why she has so many memberships.

>>7210499
>she pushed the vtubing medium via mixing Hololive, with 3dtubers, particularly Gigguk/offlineTV/etc getting close.
literally one stream with gigguk, which was sponsored. Criticise the managers, who negotiate sponsorships and not the talents. Let me guess people will seethe about the next tales of arise holotalk aswell? If anything you prove, that even when Kiara haters pretend to have reasonable points against her, these points turn out to be incredible hyprocritical. Not to mention, that it is ok when JP does these kind of streams. The double standard from you faggots when it comes to Kiara is amazing.

>>7210499
>she pushed the vtubing medium via mixing Hololive, with 3dtubers, particularly Gigguk/offlineTV/etc getting close.
Mori started it and Ollie pushed it to the limit. What does Kiara have to do with that?

>>7210499
>>7211060

It's like they've never watched a streamer for. Their own personal perception of things is all they have to draw from - when they're the focus of the stream, when people are watching for the streamer, what the fuck else are they going to talk about besides themselves?
Look at a dude like Northernlion - he talks endlessly for hours about his various opinions on breakfast - ain't no one in the chat going "ME ME ME ME ME"
Just retards trying to stir shit up

>>7211559
>>7213234
This is what I'm getting at with why we don't usually engage in good-faith arguments.

One of these morons is retarded and illiterate, the other is emotional and "I must win" about the whole thing to the point of essentially saying "I refuse to believe you have a perspective."

So both you kultists know, you're the reason "ME ME ME" gets passed around, and why the next one will too. It's you fucks, specifically, that are going to keep this going at your Oshi's detriment.

And to address the half-assed points, your "my oshi can do nothing wrong" mentality isn't representative of even your own side, but you easily make it look that way. JP has not done IRL collabs with neoliberals who have ground axes to take to vtubing, Nijisanji and the indies Holo collabed with are not neoliberals looking to spread their faith. Ollie is not JP.

And lastly let's assume I'm being "hypocritical." If it's hypocritical, that doesn't make it wrong. If I'm not hypocritical, that still doesn't make it wrong.

You're just emotional that your oshi could look like she did something wrong, because your identity and ego are tied to your side winning.

You're a fucking child and you make KFP look like a Kult, which is a shame cause the rest were actually worth talking to.

Maybe that's why the "ME ME ME" gets to you so bad lol, get a real religion freaks.

>>7208713
ORANGE WOMAN BAD!

That's what /vt/ taught me.

>>7208713
That Kiara as Asuka pic is unironically based op

>>7208713
More like insecure and the nervous type, plus she's dealing with not quite being able to read the room.

Doesn't make her any less annoying.

those reddit-spaced schizoposts are p. entertaining

>Kiara
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME
ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME

>Kiara-antis
KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA
KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA
KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA
KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA KIARA

>>7210499
>>she pushed the vtubing medium via mixing Hololive, with 3dtubers, particularly Gigguk/offlineTV/etc getting close.
>This is bad
immediately stopped reading. have sex

>>7210499
So you walked into a grill party open to everyone and just wanted to grill, but you don't want to grill with other people.
tough shit bud.

>>7210880
Wasn't the Expo thing her idea? And Nyanners and Vei (the latter of whom I never really minded, and don't mind nearly as much now that it's been revealed she's just dumb and stubborn in general)?

>>7215882
no idea, but her handling of nyanners and the expo was absolute kino, and her loyalty to hololive and not breaking unspoken rules or character was admirable, and even based when it was taken too far.

she really has a backbone, and I respect that.

>>7214859
There was nothing wrong with my English, I was merely trying to say that OP is the reason most people dislike Kiara. She doesn’t deserve to have such shitty insecure retards for fans. Especially ones that don’t even have basic reading comprehension. I am not sure they even know what point they were trying to make.

>>7208713
i watched only for 1 week an a half before dropped the holoEN completely and never look back

I was disappointed of kiara when she invited the fuc**king nyanshit and veibae, i felt betrayed because i liked kiara when she debuted,and says why she likes thots "they are using her just to get views and those 2 have a shady past, i got angry and trash talk and ignored her, like she never existed

i dont know if i love her or love it hate her and know that my english is not very good.just venting

>>7208713
You're talking about solo streams. Watch collabs with her, especially the bigger ones and it'll be clear that she's the most narcissistic in EN

>>7217110
I absolutely hated her before seeing that self depreciating Twitter collage. Since then I have come to appreciate her role as the “straight man”, especially during her collabs with Gura and Ina. She is the perfect foible. Her limited understanding and overinflated sense of self worth make her the perfect partner for one on one collabs. Her ego is unironically her greatest strength during collabs, she gets flustered better than most. She is not meant to be likable she is actually a very good scene partner for improv and banter.

>>7208713
She's been on the other side spectating as a fan for years. She's really down to earth because of this.

>>7217651
This, people think she was a Pekora leech when I think it's more like her being a big Pekora fangirl and wanting to collab with her oshi

>basic formatting for readability
>reddit

This is why you are a virgin.

>>7210499
>she pushed the vtubing medium via mixing Hololive, with 3dtubers, particularly Gigguk/offlineTV/etc getting close

Is this bait? JPs have done plenty of stuff like this long before EN

https://streamable.com/lcktuk

>>7219901
Kiara really IS a gamer

>>7210499
You can smell the layers of autistic brain worms. From ree liberals, ree pink cat, muh secret 1 million followers club and illogical conspiracies. Don't let your kids grow up online peeps.

>>7217110
She is great in collabs as she kills dead air. It is better to say something and keep any conversation going tham awkward silence. Reminds me of the type of person at a party who zips around every group to make sure no one is feeling left out.

>>7208713
She's proud, egoistical and passionate which makes for a good entertainer

>>7208713
great, now go back to streaming Sparks, slave.

>>7210668
>Neoliberals
>"Sell your culture for money, flood your country with niggers and your GDP will increase!"
>Conservative
Nah

>>7208760
FPBP

just watch vtubers you like and ignore the ones you don't holy everloving shit it's not that hard

>>7208713
Betteridge's Law of Headlines

>>7222079
why are you so upset on someone else's behalf?

>>7208713
Jesus, what the fuck is this shit? I have nothing against Kiara, but what the fuck causes her antis and fans on here to write these huge fucking essays just to seethe? A few weeks ago you had that entire paragraph about how she hated IRyS that could have passed as some short story due to how long it was Made no sense either. Jesus, it's pretty fucking annoying having these threads be spammed, whether by KFP or Anti, my main thread died multiple times because of this shit you retards are constantly doing over every little thing she does. Both sides, take your fucking meds.

>>7222132
Ask the eggs

>>7222276
Kiara inspires people

>>7210499
For the record, the way I see it, you have good intentions towards vtubing, and I'm inclined to agree on keeping it special. A few misconceptions, though.
Vtubing by itself is not special. Fictional characters transported into our reality have always existed. The current boom is just the sideproduct of technological advancement where motion capture and facial recognition reached a level where they can be applied in a home environment content creation context. I'd bet my left nut that virtual characters will take a much larger part in our lives in the following decade or two because it's just really convenient and the relative anonimity of it is charming when the authorities are able to increase their presence in our daily lives.
No, what makes the current wave of vtubing special is the talents and organizations that take part in it curently. The idol-like trends keep most corporate vtubers up to a high standard and indies have to follow that if they even want a chance to shine in the limelight. Of course, corps are interested in profit and increased exposure, so eventually when the circle doesn't grow big enough, they reach outside of the circle and bring in 3D partners, but again, usually the talents are professional enough to show their usual high standards. For the record, I think Kiara has shown nothing but professionalism so far in her single appearance in a regular program.
And this is where my main problem with your argument comes in: you're singling out the wrong person. Kiara knows very well what's required to keep the idol fandom happy, as a former idolfag, and she has done nothing to toe the lines that the others before have lined out so far. Or are you also angry at Suisei for appearing in a late night show to play tetris? Are you angry at Kizuna AI to do a worldwide tour? Are you angry at Gundou Mirei for repeating western woke ideals?
When it comes to "corrupting" vtubing, Kiara is reasonably low on the scale and if you don't notice that, I'm going to assume you've singled out Kiara for more personal reasons, of which I see you have a few. I could try to persuade you otherwise, but I think that would be a waste of time, so let's just agree to disagree.
Also, visual novels are special in the same way vtubing is: it's not the concept, but rather the execution of it that makes it stand out. Just think about how many trash, run of the mill visual novels exist that you've never heard of for good reasons. There has never been a medium of any sort that didn't have its ill parts with it.

>>7210499

>>7208713
Kiara's my oshi. She's sweet and thoughtful and attentive to her chat and her members. I think "self-absorbed" is maybe a better way of describing her. She does have a tendency to see things from the point of view of how they affect or are relevant to her. Kiara shamelessly promotes herself to the point that it's a meme. She loves the spotlight and will unironically say things like "Holotalk is about ME live translating" when people suggested she do subtitles or do an English interview with Coco for example.

One particularly "narcissistic" quality she has is that she is extremely susceptible to praise, especially from her peers. She was clearly unfamiliar with Nyanners until she heard Nyanners say that she liked Kiara, and then Kiara's "I love everyone who loves me" instinct kicked in and they ended up doing a collab together. You can hate her for this if you want, you can say it makes her a bad person, I think of it as just an endearing quirk of hers and I know that in spite of this she really is capable of a lot of kind selflessness like OP says.

>>7223104
Good, well thought out, none schizo post anon. You earnt this (you)

>>7208713
I stopped watching Kiara like a month ago for similar reasons as Mori and Ollie (take a guess). But I don’t think she’s bad and I have enjoyed her streams before since she’s talkative and lively; at worst, I think she can be quite rude and a bit self absorbed, but nothing to get really mad about, she’s emotional. Anyway, I didn’t like the direction she was taking and I became a Trinityfag
Now, if anything and to be honest, I’m somewhat anti-KFP. At the time, I didn’t give a fuck about the eggs because this board is a warzone, but KFP cult falseflags as Kiara antis for reasons I don’t understand (get sympathy?) and also takes issue with the anti-Kiara sentiment, unjustified or not, so they have to be vocal about it and remark how Kiara is fucking great; for example, the OP of this thread

tl; dr: Stop pushing Kiara on everything, and if you’re going to do it, it better should be actual criticism or praise and not “OmG sHe’S sO hAtEd!” because Kiara fans and antis are sides of the same coin

>>7208713
nice blog, egg, didn't read

>>7210499
>vtubing is special because it is niche
Vtubing will always be niche. Vtubers themselves are autistic weirdos and the audience are autistic wierdos. It'll never be subverted successfully because the whole thing is too autistic to subvert. You are a faggot. Case dismissed.

>>7216631
>starting sentences with lowercase i
Opinion immediately discarded. If you're going to attempt to be insulting, at least try not to type like an ape.

>>7208713
I think people who cosplay inherently have a fairly high level of narcissism

>>7210499
How the fuck does this post have that many (You)s? Do you braindead niggers really read all autistic ramblings that you see on this site? That's fucking pitiful.

>>7230179
Blogpostfags are the worst

>>7215500
Does anyone have the source on that Kiara plugsuit art?

>>7222276
Kiara attracts too many weird people, especially faggots from this place.
She got antis because early streams and collabs, she got the schizos because roommate and she got attention whores due to donation streams and reading chat a lot.

Just a mix of all this and you get a terrible fanbase like KFP.

I find it funny that some people say Kiara is unpopular and only her membership watches her, then there's people who say she's a menace to the entire vtubing ecosystem.0ywsh

>ALL ME

>>7208783
>>7208783
>>7208783
>>7208783
that is not a (You)
(You) appear new
the only (You) an OP gets is from a reply with his post number inserted
i hope this has been helpful 4 (You)

>>7211004
It's always the watamefags that come out with takes like these.

>>7210990
I hate kiara but if this is true then she is pretty based ngl

>>7232313
People were asking if that Conner guy Ollie talks to would ever be on and she said she has nothing to do with him and doesn't even know him, and it seems her total interest in Gigguk was the single stream on the Shadowverse channel. She is the exact opposite of the ironic weeb attitude those guys have, she is 100% sincere in her idol otaku autism, so she seems to have no interest in them. If we are going to see anyone with Kiara it will probably be Pomu

>>7222276
As someone that likes Kiara, I would rather there be no threads about her besides her general, they are mostly just bait anyway. At least this one seems to have some discussion tho.

>>7222276
You want to blame anyone, blame the meidos. I report any Kiara split on sight as spam, but you dumb fucks just take the bait and reply and reply until people think this is the fucking norm. Just report and ignore this shit like you would anything else instead of being a shit eater and wallowing in the filth, and maybe the meidos will get the message that they need to keep this sty clean for more than a week at the start of February.

>>7215882
>Wasn't the Expo thing her idea?
If you mean Anime Expo, no way, that was absolutely corporate mandated.

>>7208713
See anon, the thing is that she's orange like a certain dragon, so the zhangs think she's the same person and want you to hate blindly. Aside from the egg, it's a zhang psyop.

bump

>>7230179
>why don't I get (you)'s for my low-effort posts?
>how can you guys do that, just, reply to people answering a question?
>he's not deserving of your attention! I am!
>why won't you love me?
>ME?!
>ME ME ME ME ME

anti-effortposters like you are where we got the idea for the meme, by the way.

>>7232401
This is what I've never understood. Kiara is arguably the biggest weeb out of all of EN. Maybe Ina could be bigger, but Kiara also literally went to Japan, taught herself Japanese, and tried to be an idol. She's also really into older anime and JRPGs. Why do people argue she's some kinda normie that will destroy the fabric of vtubing?

>>7223104
For me it's not the mechanics behind vtubing that makes it an interesting medium, it's the principles behind the matter.

A pseudonymous person (like jim) or an "anime girl" avatar behind a real girl goes and does a thing. It doesn't have to be seiso content, or politics, it could be literally anything, take Chammers' cooking streams, or certain indies' news casts (PNN), or even educational videos, like Oliie and Coco did with math and language. That's the medium.

I also agree that it's incredibly interesting and attractive at a low-level, so it's going to drum a ton of popularity up as the mechanics improve. What's special about it is the meta aspects of it to me, and that meta "I'm not a person but I am a person doing a thing but it's not really me but is" implication. That's extremely niche and only common among the 2018-2020 vtubing, I think Tamaki best exemplifies this "getting vtubing as a medium" for me.

As far as the companies pushing the medium, for me it's about creating a brand that helps the vtubing industry by showing off what makes it good and doing what's trendy second, which I think Hololive really has, to the point where they are the trend now.

I also agree that Kiara's gotten better and hasn't been the worst. The morally worst for me was Chris/Kurisu or whatever for whoring herself out for a computer.

Your assumption is wrong and I think projecting either yourself or other fans' impulses onto me. I don't dislike her personally, I've seen her neighbor account and think she's alright. I think the way Kiara, specifically, has been done has been a major failure of management that's been bad for a lot of EN, with only Shark and Tako escaping that vibe for me. Amelia also has been pretty okay about it, but there's just this... underlying feeling, and you're right when you say it's more pronounced in other places to outright dislike of actions, but not really the persons.

>Suisei IRL tetris
I think was on-topic to her and actually well enough done.
>Mori doing that IRL collab
I think was really bad, because she cheapened vtubing to "I'm just another tuber."
>Kizuna AI worldwide tour
No, that doesn't really bother me about her, the swapping the voice actors out however definitely does. It's she's probably the least vtuber and more mascot out of the lot of popular vtubers now to me because of that. The person underneath is quintessential to the vtuber as a whole.
>Someone preaching cult-of-left/scientism/any other politics, including right-leaning
absolutely would bother me. It's not off topic to vtubing, but is definitely a major issue that I could sperg out about for a while. Short of it is this - Jim's a great example of a western vtuber who found himself becoming that through being anon and using fan-art as an avatar. Yeah, he's political, but nobody outside of myself really associates him with vtubing, which is fantastic.

I of course notice Kiara's "low on the scale." The problem is that she was pushing it at all, and that's the same reason you see this issue with Mori (most deserved EN), Amelia (maybe least deserved EN if only considering the vtuber, which you should), Ollie (maybe the most deserved in Hololive but not the worst at all in vtubing).

On the aside, it's not the execution or mechanics of Japanese Visual Novels that makes them special to me, again it's the principle behind the most reduced of the medium - immersion, and choice through a story with substantive or distinct worlds/narratives as a result of your choices, but it's still mostly a book/manga-type thing instead of a videogame.

At least we can agree on civility and that vtubing is a good thing. I look forward to it being popular, I care most about it being itself either despite it, or alongside it, whichever the case may be.

>>7237053
>projecting either yourself
should be "projecting either the opposite of yourself," I don't think you're like that, I think you could be at worst the opposite of what you described, but are more likely good faith.

Because she's unapologetic about liking girly stuff and because she's more into idol culture than the stereotypical weeb stuff.
If she were to, hypothetically, gush on about how she loves Full Metal Alchemist and Jojo people wouldn't think she's not a weeb.
To make it short: Her taste isn't very weeb mainstream, so dimwits assume her taste is mainstream mainstream, not realizing that she's a bigger otaku than they'll ever be.

>>7232844
Idk I would say any attention is better than none at all. For example, Kagura Mea, a vtuber with far more objectionable behavior/opinions, hardly gets any attention on /vt/.

At least with hate threads, petty as they are, more people end up seeing her and watching her content, to see what all the fuss is about.

>>7210880
I'd really like examples of it then dude, the only ones I've seen from watching her have pushed me the other way.

show me a stream (or a clip but I'd prefer the stream) where she's more about vtubing and Hololive and not really about selfishness or exploiting vtubing for personal gain, show me that "ME ME ME" is wrong, and I'll say "ME ME ME" is wrong.

I really want to come around on her, so do most of us that don't like her. Give us a good reason and time and you'll see that come around, if the nu/pol/ and reddit dies down.

For real give me a chance, I'm giving you one.

>>7237053
>For me
stopped there

Yes and no, the white knight saviorfags she culled had defended her actions even during the baby poop ordeal which made everyone pucker their assholes with cringe. Rightfully so to be called out for that in these threads, but the white knights defended her nonetheless. Honestly, I think she is a great entertainer sometimes, and I also think she is great for a younger audience. However, the white knights need to be killed, all of them.

>>7210499
I have never seen a good post attached to a sad cat image.

This one is the general point about the hobby that people are worried about

And this one is the greater point addressing the "muh sekrit club" and grill booomers/"lol didn't read" brainlets

>>7208713
didn't read your post but yes

>>7237053
>wall text
auto skip
When will this tourist faggots learn?

I consider the chat to be an amalgamation of the worst people in the world so I don't hold it against them to don't give it the attention you might think it deserves
not attacking kiara for this either

>>7236851
This board is filled with ironic weebs and normalfags. That should explain it to you.

>>7208713
i skipped your blogpost and yes, she admitted herself being an attention whore on twitter, do your archive reps i never spoon feed faggots

>>7238286
>>7238324
I think its ironic that most anime/2hu/weebshit fans that hate vtubers correctly use this same justification for their blanket hatred of the medium.

>>7208713
No

>>7208713
> Oi oi oi...wats dis? Cant believe the rrats about Kiara. How the fuck is she selfish, or ego-centric when all she does is interact with others?

It's almost as if the people who hate Kiara don't actually watch her streams and get all their hate from clips.

>>7210880
>>7210990
>>7232401
If this is true, that’s relieving. I thought Kiara was going the same route as Ollie, and I hate the latter for that
Based chicken, I hope she succeeds and that Mori/Ollie doesn’t get her collab with Charlie/Connor. Might as well start watching her Zelda streams

>>7242866
I feel she doesn't want to collab with 3D people as a vtuber, I remember her saying her "collabing" with gigguk in the shadowverse thing was a one time thing and mostly it was a sponsor; and iirc she didn't even know he was gonna be in it.

I would also recommend watching the first Zelda stream, it was great, and she did good voice acting for the characters.

>>7233209
Didn't she say "actually, that was my idea" on her twitter?

>>7242542
Hater here. I was there from her debut. Right off the bat she was just annoying, but I wrote her off as just being "not for me". As time went on, she showed up in collabs and kept being more and more annoying. Then came the collab that seemed deliberately designed to piss off people with legit grievances, or just her usual tone deaf shit. Then the expo.

Guess who is very exited about the expo
Guess who will go to every single one of them instead of just choosing two or three at random
Hint: It's not the chicken

>>7210343
>2k viewer stream with Ame, Gura, Calli, and Ina,
>2k stream
>gura

pick one

>>7246618
Kek enjoy her presence in collabs fag.

>>7236851
until around jan, the only complaint about kiara was her scuffed mic and terrible voice.

once she fixed the mic the antis needed something else to complain about, that's when the memememe rrats started

https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1420885470804860938?s=20
>Love Idols
>Love girls
When do we get our gay idol collab

I love orange woman

>>7208713
Anon do you know what narcissistic means.
None of what you says goes against her being narcissistic. In fact the way she interacts with her chat is definitely the most attention-starved out of all EN.

the world is hers. we’re just living on it

>>7208818
/thread

Ame>kiara>ina=calli>>>>>>>>gura
When it comes to unity

>>7248450

>>7208713
no

>>7259095
Kiara WILL collab with Pomu, and they WILL have sex on stream, and there is NOTHING you can do about it!

>>7263555
if kiara can keep her mouth shut, then i would have no problem

>>7263630
She's been getting better

Orc, come on, take your meds, you will terminally won't be able to live normally. If you are so so insecure about v-tubing, leave it. You have nothing to lose

>>7208713
Maybe

>>7210990
>And it really does feel like something Calli dragged her into
I wouldn't say that, Kiara is just very professional when it comes to sponsorships, say if she gets another sponsorship for a tournament and some other anituber faggot would attend it she would still take it because why not

>>7248041
her supachat readings pre-2M