/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>72063966
*pees on u*

I think enough time has elapsed to deduce that most of it wasn't pity

>>72063966
Not much given that she's still getting 10k-12k CCVs. She may have gotten new eyes on her initially due to pity but she's kept this many over 6 weeks due to skill.

>>72064448
"people" are still chimping out about nijisanji so no

>>72063966
does she have a cloaca

>>72064583
>10k-12k
So a destitute 2view making little to no money. I hope she enjoys the bread line.

>>72063966
She was the most popular female liver before escaping the slave camp and it's been 6 weeks since then so I'm gonna say pity boost has already warn off.
Really helps not being held back anymore.

Kson was also a popular streamer until he joined Vshojo.

Not much because she had success before too.

>>72063966
25% give or take? either way she's on track to be a stable 5K to 7k 4view and I am being conservative.

third bait thread on the catalog today huh

>>72063966
That's not how you say Suisei.

>>72064666
HoloEN also gets streams with 6k CCV but you're not gonna call them destitute 2views, are you anon

>>72063966
Zero. She managed to retain previous audience and then gain some due to marketing drama buff (thx, Niji).

>>72064666
Wow, sisters really are retarded. Holy shit.

>>72063966
Not much. Things have settled down and her numbers are pretty steady with 5-15k depending on the stream. Which is what she was with Selen in her pomp. She's got a fanbase and held onto it.

>>72063966
I'm sure SOME of her viewership was because of drama pity. Hell, nobody streamers getting pity views is nothing new.

>>72064607
The drama mostly moved away from her and onto Niji in general now. Most of the people who watch her only for the Niji drama should have already left for stuff like dramatubers.
My guess is that her fanbase will stabilize around 1-2k lower than she is now. She was the biggest female streamer in Niji for a reason.

>>72063966
if she wasnt shitting diarrhea on nijisanji and i wouldnt watch her, shes pretty good tho
hail holo

>>72065066
Says the smoothbrain dipshit falling for obvious bait.

>>72064908
Looking forward to the company finally collapsing after the Q4 report this summer. A world without NDF shitting up the board, just imagine.

>>72063966
None because the people that watched her just for pity already left, you can see it on her current viewership. The people left are those who actually enjoy her content, which is still higher than any other NijiEN organ.

>>72064666
Since she's returned she's made just under $85,000 just in superchats, that's not including merch. And she doesn't have to hand over money to NijiEN

>>72063966
Pity? It was Pity that stayed her hand. Pity, and Mercy: not to strike without need. And she has been well rewarded, OP. Be sure that she took so little hurt from the evil, and escaped in the end, because she began her ownership of her channel so: with Pity.

>>72065259
This dumpster fire of a board still tries to drum up support for Sana of all people. It'll never die.

>>72065217
Sorry your parents repeatedly dropped you on your head as a baby.

>>72065445
>$85,000
How far in the hole was she?

>>72063966
around half is pity.
around half is just all the free advertising caused by drama. some of the rubberneckers are actually sticking around.

>>72065538
I accept your concession.

>>72064655
I think about this with mumei and Petra constantly. Imagine. They're tired to do the horizontal dance so they just lay there as you use their cloaca as a tenga

>>72065551
We don't know if she was in debt but supposedly 200K has gone down the drain.

>>72064666
>5 digits
>2 view
Can someone explain to me how this unit of measurement is supposed to work?

>>72065457
But I love Sana. I watched her and she was a genuine joy to listen to. I loved her bubbly personality.

>>72065638
Concession about what? Sisters can't even keep track of who they're replying to. Kek

>>72065810
0view is 0 viewers
1view is 1-9 viewers
2view is 10-99 viewers
3view is 100-999
4view is 1000-9999
5view is 10000-99999
This is about average consistent CCV. so events like debuts/outfits/merch drops/birthdays/concerts don't count as those are supposed to be MAJOR buff streams
On the other hand there are also Debuffs like streaming at bad hours for your audience, And streaming a style of content that your audience does not vibe with
Being between 7-12k CCV average, Doki is consistently a high 4view, Depending on the hours or topic of the stream, It can either be higher or lower, But that is her average considering her regular hours and considering games that dragoons like watching her play

>>72065551
She never said she was in debt, she said she'd spent 200k and "made no money". I understand ESL kids might not have an understanding of things like P&L reports but do try to keep up.

>>72066475
You know this doesn't work, right? The nonsense reply followed by unprovoked aggression? It serves only to make you look infantile. Congrats, you've played yourself.

90%

>>72066282
fuck /vt/
i work on finanas

>>72066282
It should also be noted that being a high 4 view is extremely good in the vtubing industry. All of Nijisanji except Kuzuha are 4views or (usually) lower. Most of Hololive are 4views. 5view status is reserved for only the elite chuubas like Kuzuha, the top ~12 girls of Hololive, and maybe Ironmouse.

>>72066632
It's not a nonsense reply if you understand finance, even just personal finance. You've proven that my "aggression" was entirely warranted.

>>72067235
No, it's a nonsense reply because we're on a message board about puppeted anime women and no one cares to discuss finance. What I've proven is that you're a clown prone to mood swings. I'm glad we had this therapy session.

>>72067404
You asked a question, I answered it. Sorry you're frustrated that you can't understand simple concepts.

>>72067656
And >>72065679 answered it. Remember what I said about you being a clown?

>>72066632
>>72067404
>least retarded Nijikek bootlicker

>>72066834
Ironmouse is not 5 view. She just spams new outfits.

>>72067742
You asked a question, I answered it. Again, sorry you're frustrated at not getting basic concepts but that's not my problem.

>>72068316
So you're a clown who never learned basic reading comprehension. That must have been challenging growing up. What did your schoolmates think of your developmental challenges?

when does 0 profit = you are in debt
are sisters acting retard for pity now

>>72063966
90%. A few diehard fans would follow anywhere, her 2-4k ccv regulars. The rest of the tourists and bandwagon jumpers are absolutely there out of pity or hoping for drama.

>>72068422
Again, I don't know why you're taking out your frustration on me. It's not my problem you can't understand simple concepts.
>>72068498
I'm not sure it's acting desu.

>>72068897
I'm one of those drama chasers and I've never needed to watch Doki to enjoy the fire.

>>72063966
lol, like anyone actually tune in than to see if she'll throw more crumbs about niji

>>72069746
NIJISEETHE

>>72063966
longer neck please

Thing is all she had to do was convert maybe 5% of tourists on top of the dragoons. And she has and she's consistently at 7-12K. She's not my oshi but she retained her spot as someone I watch maybe once a week.

>>72066282
>7-12k
>average
Holy fuck numberniggers are actually braindead

>>72063966
95%. I'm pretty sure she was a 2-3k in Niji and suddenly after she's fired and reveals herself to be a pitiable menhera, she's now hitting Hololive numbers. It's either Holofags or dramafags boosting her, original dragoons are barely a factor and no one knows if they'd follow Selen out the company if there was no drama

>>72063966
100%?
i mean im not fooling myself. without the drama niji casued she would never have gotten this support.

>>72065457
You still have fandeads trying to post "she did nothing wrong" threads.
I bet you after Elira disappears from the internet after getting terminated, the like 2 famelira still here will be making threads about her in the exact same way two years from now.

>>72075582
Sorry, would you like him to create a bell curve and explain that 7-12K is approximately one standard deviation range for her CCV?

>>72075607
The only pitiable ones are the retards like wose who are still in kurosanji (btw her 3d got taken down by sony KEKW)

>>72076679
Damn,,,I feel bad for her

>>72063966
>pity
It's nothing as sincere and altruistic as that.

>>72076211
she's not going anywhere. She is still in streams, still tweets, still has merch. She'll be back soon and I can't wait to continue supporting her. One fat retard sperging out doesn't matter to me in the slightest.

Henya still kept dropping for a few months after debut, but still settled a couple thousand average concurrent viewers about Pikamee. I think Doki will follow similarly especially if she continues taking the opportunity to collab with new people.

>>72075582
He’s saying that that’s DOKI’S average per stream, not vtubing’s general average you fucking monkey
Are you also that anon who is saying 7k is a 2view?

>>72063966
She literally spent 4 hours talking the most neutral positive talk she could with zero jabs. She can easily do 10k streams and she’s not a numbermonkey. She literally doesn’t even know you nijisis exist.
She is the least dangerous thing to Niji that exist right now, zero jabs and all lifesavers of peace offerings, and yet you are so mentally damaged that you keep hoping for a fight while everyone else shits on Niji and they can’t even support Rosemi to get more than 14k for her 3D debut.

TL;DR You literally are fighting your own shadow and losing, and the yach is sinking on it’s own. Accept it, you are the clowns of 4chan, and these threads are your circuses.

>>72081824
No you will not. We have seen how you support people, she was literally in Rosemi’s 3D and the results couldn’t be clearer.
Stop trying to sound lime you are not permanently here fighting, you literally just betrayed Elira by fucking over Rosemi. For what? Attacking someone who has done you nothing. You are a loser, not a fan.

>>72081533
>>72081824
NDF SEETHE.. the only fat retards here are you inbred pagpag fucks who keep harassing the ONLY ex niji who isn't attacking Niji, Go bark at Sayu Matara Kuro and Quinn for shitting on Niji, Doki's the most likely to be DEFENDING them and she basically did in her stream tonight

>>72082360
I don't defend anybody in this story, I just enjoy the dumpster fire. They can all burn for all I care, the more entertaining the better.

>>72082340
what are you talking about? I watched every second of that 3D. I just bought Elira's new voice pack. I'll probably get the singapore thing even though its 3/4 dudes, just to support her. Doki is a piece of shit, and I'll never forgive her or her retard fans for trying to ruin everyone elses careers. They're worse bullies than anyone in niji ever was, the hypocrisy is astounding.

>>72082460
Is this the new goalpost? Can’t win at all so now you are spectators?
Holy hell you should make it an olympic discipline.

>>72082544
It's your own fault for being so fun. Also, that's not how you use the word goalpost.

>>72082148
Tell her zealous insane fans to act more like her then. They use her name and likeness for their "righteous" cause of endless harassment and shitflinging. If she would tard wrangle her fagoons I'd have no problem with her, but she doesn't. She could easily put her foot down, a few halfhearted 'lets be nice' statements a month ago don't cut it.

>>72082499
>Just brought
>Has been out since beginning of March
>I’ll probably get to Singapore
Your fakeness is showing at every turn. Just admit you are pissed off at the last indie defender of Niji being successful. The girl literally made an essay how JP companies are still worth it for dancers and singers. She could have nuked things and yet she still even said Elira only needed JP talk to get merchandise, nuking the manager rrat.
And yet you want to fight her instead of taking it on Uki who streams while Rosemi is debuting. Absolute disrespect of not crossing over your own company debuts.

>>72082759
I know you're just a retard baiting here, but I was waiting for Vivi's birthday merch a few days ago so I could bundle a bunch of shit together and save on shipping, so I just waited to do it all at once.

>>72082719
Well Elira in the black video said she doesn’t condine any form of harrassment towards anyone, and yet these posts exist.
Doki also said she never wantsd to being it more to the internet because she knows no one can control everyone. I’m not harrassing anyone, I’m just pointing out that you keep opening these breads but against who? Do you want her to join the chorus of shitters from Vshojo? Play around the dramafags she never acknowledged?
Explain me the end goal here. Be ause you know if she stops streaming tomorrow Niji is still gonna get turdwrangled by all those I just mentioned. You are attacking the only one who is keeping her words, staying neutral, and giving you a chance to continue.

>>72082889
You don’t need to ship singapore tickets, but you do you. Have fun, but remember when the branch is folded, don’t take it on the one who literally never fed the drama, instead of all those who did.

>>72082964
a simple firm stance by her of not tolerating her "fans" shitting all over every single post on twitter, youtube, etc would be nice. A simple "don't use me for your sperg-out faggotry". But she just lets them run rampant. That's all I really want from her, then just go do whatever and good luck. But her "fans" are the ones that keep the endless harassment and bullshit going 24/7.

>>72083029
well I was talking about the merch, but you knew that. I already member 3 nijis and buy merch, I do my part, I can't get every damn thing.

>>72082719
>If only elira and vox would tardwrangle their inbred pagpag fans and tell them to stop harassing doki
See how easy it is to twist your hypocritical retardation around?, By the way vox fucking said "keep fighting the good fight" ACTIVELY EGGING YOU SISTERS ON and yet doki is the one who needs to be the bigger person?, FUCK OFF, Dragoons aren't the ones making a dozen baitthreads every single god damn day, Its the sisters, it's ALWAYS the sisters, making hitlists, making BPD bullshit rrats, making their organs look bad by proxy cause of just HOW often you shit eating fucktards stink up the internet with your filth

>>72083090
Again vox said to the sisters "Keep fighting the good fight" and you wanna blame doki for the continued shitflinging that YOU worthless brainless inbred shit eating fucktards are doing, Get a fucking grip and be serious for once, Dragoons are instigating jack shit, It's you, it's ALWAYS been you

>>72063966
I followed Selen before, so I follow Doki now. I'm sure a lot of people are like that. It's honestly pretty simple, really.

>>72063966
I keep waiting for the "she needs our support" narrative to cool down because it's getting weird at this point, she is a true talent and has so much more to offer than being a perennial victim.

>>72083470
The only ones keeping up this "pity dramabaiting grifter" narrative are you worthless inbred NDF fucks

>>72083335
Why do Dokifags unironically argue like women? Are they unironically ESL trannies?

>>72083691
I'm not that same schizo but i do think this is an appropriate response to your pure seethe of a reply
>I accept your concession

>>72082759
Is Rosemi white? That might explain Uki's overlapping her

>>72084605
so white you need to wear eye protection to avoid getting blinded when looking at her

>>72063966
0% from pity. You can argue that the drama put a lot of fresh eyes on her but nobody is sticking around because of "pity" or "drama farming" because she spends literally zero time dwelling on the past anymore. People are just legitimately invested in her career now that she's an indie. Heck, she's pulling pretty good numbers on her throwback game streams.

Like, you can just admit that she was always a talented streamer, and now the gre a ter creative freedom of being an indie is a good thing for her now.

>>72083090
Imagine having pit a monolithic “I’m done with this, I’m not talking more because internet would feed on it, I was done before the black video, still respect the livers please”, never make a jab again, sis create a blacklist and send murder threats, Vox appears multiple times and says nothing to turdwrangle his fans…and she is the one at fault.
Just stop, it’s getting pathetic at this point. Most of the tropps are falseflaggers, all the Dragoons don’t get out of the bread except to laugh at Niji once again fumbling all on their own.
Most people still stirring the pot are niji fans hoping for any positive change, just look at the reddits. Not even taking it on livers, just any proof of goodwill.
Can’t blame the dragoons thet Niji can’t even deliver something that basic.

>>72063966
She deserves it

>>72063966
Probably 50%

>>72064747
Is there a difference between female and male livers? Actually just looked it up, apparently there is a strong sexual dimorphism in livers which means there is a big different in metabolism between the genders.

>>72063966
Most of it

>>72064908
but this one has long neck Doki

>>72063966
Very little most likely. It's extremely rare for somebody to consistently devote time to a streamer of all things out of pity over a month after the last bit of drama.

>>72065153
She's still the face of anti-niji. Just look at how this board reacted when her piece of paper made more than Enna's 3D live. We're not out of drama territory yet and likely won't be for a very long time. I guarantee a lot of people are anticipating anycolor's next quarter financial report and stock price for more shitposting about how Doki killed niji.

>>72090105
Rightly so, they sob themselves to sleep thinking of this dumb Cantonese bird. Grit their teeth seeing her in the catalog. Check themselves when they hear her laugh. As long as she earns success after success the Anycoalminers will always be reminded of who turned their brand into the Sick Man of Vtubing.

>>72063966
NijiEN's existence prevents her from being forgotten. Funny how that works out.

It's like flooding the catalog with Doki retains the mindshare.

>>72090557
Her smug aura mocks them

>>72063966
Her fanbase? Zero. Newcomers? 20-40% depending in their level of norminess.

>>72088538
She actually had a higher views count than any of the male livers as well, including Vox, in addition to organizing the most multi-talent events, often with her own money.

>>72063966
zero

>>72090105
Eh, people have long realized she isn't interested in "being the face of anti-niji". She barely says anything about Nijisanji in her streams now, so anyone watching and hoping for ammo has moved on to people like Legal Mindset already. You know, people who actually give them ammo against the company.
If anything, I'd bet there's more sisters hatewatching her stream for any little tidbit they can use to "prove" she's secretly evil than there are actual anti-niji people watching her just to stick it to Niji now.

>>72095300
Those that stayed after the initial news. Some poeple definitely came around to see the drama.

>>72063966
>>72064583
She literally explained it to you.
https://www.youtube.com/live/gsnI3zuUbTY?t=624

>>72065454
>shoehorning Tolkien quotes into your Doki apologia
An Anon after my own heart.

>>72063966
Apex

>>72063966
if i rub my dick all over her neck and lick and kiss it would she feel pleasure from it?

>>72064448
>>72064583
She was getting crazy CCV shortly after the drama but at this point all the weak fans have left. What you see now is more or less her "real and genuine" fanbase

>>72066700
Her average is 26 Finanas, with 19-20 Finanas on a slow day. Considering for an indie anything above 10 Finana is great, she is beyond fine.
And best part is she just did a 4 hour stream where she tossed even more olive branches and actually proved she has no grudges against JP corpos. Niji could do the AR in april or close she wouldn’t care.
The sisters are seething at the realization she’s not a grifter and has never fueled drama like many other bad actors, she just wanted to graduate and she may have got views from the drama but she’s not the anti they hoped she would be.

>>72066834
Ironmouse is consistently a low 4 view, and on twitch too so...

>>72099886
Ah that's why they're trying to falseflag as Dragoons, claiming she never had any proof of harrassment and is deliberately toning down her "firebrand rhetoric" to backtrack on getting legally threatened by Anycolor.

>>72100672
Fair. I'm not as familiar with twitch numbers, so I just guesstimated her from some quick recent stats and her status as the face of VShojo. It's very possible that her most recent numbers are events or a subathon or something.
Doesn't diminish my point that 5-view status is reserved for the small group of elites, though.

I'd say half. She's kind of the perfect storm of being a good streamer already combined with legitimate complaints about a really big vtuber agency.

>>72063966
most of it

>>72063966
>How much of her current success is because of pity?
Does it matter? History is decided by the victors. Your own post indicates that she's successful, so by your own admission she won. It may not last forever, but nothing does.
So what's the point of this post? Is this just seething that somebody escaped the crab bucket?

>>72065072
If she played a stupid game (Peppa pig and the like) as Selen her CCV was around 1500. If you played a normal or popular game she would get around 3k-5k and events would be somewhere around 10K. It hasn't had time to stabilize as her current CCV but now her normal streams pulling around 8K, stupid streams pulling around 5k to 6K, and she hasn't really played very many popular games or events yet but they've been pulling in viewers, like Holo cure started out with over 20k but soon decayed to about 13k.

If this is what she is going to stabilize at, more than doubling her previous CCV is impressive.

>>72103138
Based opinion

Doki fans are somehow more annoying than pippa fans wtf

>>72063966
She deserves it

>>72083335
keep fighting the good fight simply means don't give up on nijiEN and the other livers, how is that some kind of negative statement?

>>72063966
110%