/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>72037689
>we
Kiara is not we.
Wake me up when Gura shows allegiance to the black guild.

>>72037689
They have Mumei, who is at least worth 4 Kiaras

There are no cliques. It's a muddy free-for-all with temporary alliances.

It reads like the livers are scrambling for an exit bc Niji won't help them much

>>72037689
Don't forget strongest Niji allies

>>72037689
Ngl I hope you do just so you'll shut up for a while. You fags have killed what sympathy I had for selen getting shafted by refusing to shut up and stop acting like the universe revolves around her, and zaion fuck well went out of her way to get canned so I never had sympathy for her OR you gaylords who didn't care she existed until she got fired.

>>72037853
This. War has changed. It's not about alliances, or corpos.
It's not even about profit, mindshare, or numbers.

It's an endless series of proxy battles,
fought by schizos and shitposters

>>72038025
Yeah, Suisei and Okayu

>>72038098
t.kfp

>>72037689
>Elira 0 streams.
>Enema $40 USD sponsored stream, bday got mogged by a piece of paper
>Pomu dead
>Cocks too scared to stream on channel. Has run off to bilibili
>Ike - water bottle is more entertaining. Was part of BSS but everyone forgets because he has no presence
>Millie - 2 streams
>Finana - is now a unit of measurement for shitty ccv
>Kiara - runt of her gen. Will gladly anti her now

>>72038025
built u bitch u know damn well scarle cant cook cleanly lmao

>>72037689
add mumei to the selen side

>>72038410
>>Kiara - runt of her gen. Will gladly anti her now
You were her anti already. Also you're a retard for even seriously replying to this thread. Run along now.

>>72038098
t. NDF

>>72037689
>Pomu in the clique
Lost me right there.

>>72038901
>Pomu, Elira, Enna and Kiara all hang out together in Japan
>Pomu somewhat not in the clique.

>>72038901
Time to stop coping and accept it, pomie.

>>72038098
You have killed any sympathy I have for Niji with all this falseflagging. Can you stop existing for a second? Go touch grass.

>>72037689
>>72038924
>Pomu in the clique
>Pomu somehow leaves Nijisanji
Again, these people are desperate to drag her in, can't even live in peace, NDF only wants the company to succeed, how dare her be free huh?
Again

>>72037689
>capeshit reference
Kys

>>72037689
You forgot to include grifting lawyer guy on Selen's side.

>>72039067
Ah, yes. Just like Nina wasn't in the clique, or Kyo wasn't in the clique, lmao. They left because they want a better contract.

>>72039067
>Nina in the clique
>leaves
>Pomu in the clique
>leaves
>Kyo in the clique
>leaves
>Sayu and Doki
>terminated, slandered, smeared in to the ground, shot in the back, backstabbed multiple times
Makes you think

>>72038699
Doesn't change the fact that she always is the runt of myth and a numberfag

>>72037689
Add Mumei to the left, also the homostars

Is there anyone not in the clique besides Selen and Zaion?

>>72039713
NDF will never admit trouble in paradise. Some of them cope even that everyone will eventually be back in Niji.
The truth is that everyone who left is better and everyone who is in is so desperate that Kiara is their only hope to get some positivity out.

>>72038410
Based

>>72040182
Probably most of the new gens, they are literally trying to avoid all the shit if possible. Except for Claude of course, he really wanted to imitate Vox.

>>72040182
It's split around 50/50 I think.
At least Selen mentioned "half the branch wanting her to graduate" in the leaked discord message.

>>72038961
I won’t lose faith in her unless she betrays me openly by collabing with some of the scum

Or by interacting with Kyo in any way that’s not telling him to suck-start a shotgun, that’s also a good filter

Doki hates Sayu.

>>72040401
Still no confirmation that message is real, it comes from LK who we all know was a larper.

>>72041692
It comes from December while LK appeared mid January.

>>72040401
Wasn't that message "leaked" here first with the OP saying look guys "real" and then asking how to make it look more convincing?

>>72040475
Pomu went to Antarctica with the "boss bitch clique leader".
It's time for you to find a new hobby.

I'm going to need something substantial to believe Pomu turned her back on Doki. It all hinges on that. Kiara bends over for anyone that gives her attention so if Pomu's in, Kiara's in.

>>72042342
Don’t believe the schizos.
Things aren’t black and white.
I can be friends with two people who hate each other.

>>72042068
There was no asking how to make it look more convincing
On December 30 one screenshot was leaked in HAHA, people ridiculed it
Then after 4 hours, another screenshot, and that one people said "was more convincing"
Both contained discord avatar decorations that Doki were going to use in February

>>72043527
but one of those friends tried to kill the other friend
atp youre no longer friends with your other friend

>>72040287
Isn't Claude ex hanamori as well.

>>72044214
You’re talking as if she fucking stabbed her with a knife.
The situation is more complicated than that.
As I said, things aren black and white.

>>72037689
Atleast you faggots understand that this is a niji civil war, nobody gives a shit about it besides you retards, stop pretending like the people laughing at your shitty company burning care about picking either side.

>>72037689
Isn't a there another faction or more members from vShojo?

>>72045210
Matara, Kuro and Kyo would be on the right side

>>72039721
Being a numberfag while getting low numbers must make her seethe constantly

so winning is doing next to zero stream (with elira at zero) and spamming a mongolian basket weaving board to own the haters eh?

>>72040219
Even Kiara may not be fully in support of Niji. She sounded passive aggressive when she was told the wrong time for Pomu's graduation stream. Don't watch her so I don't know if she holds grudges, but I'd be fucking pissed too.

>>72037689
C'mon anon, you could've at least put moomei on the left.

>>72038699
KFPDF working overtime eh?

>>72037689
Why do I feel that the left gets more CCV than the right combined.

>>72044867
>bro come on she JUST bullied someone into a suicide attempt get over it lol
Okay retard.

>>72046664
New events always fuck with the past ones. One side is fueling anti, the other want her to be brought into it even further so she ruins herself.
The only right answer would be either to not do anything about it or be a goodwill ambassador and try to play both side. Sadly I'm not here to tell Kiara what to do, but boy she should really read the room even if in good faith.

>>72037689
I couldn't imagine being so delusional to think pomu would side with the clique. Then again in also not a nijisister and don't breath vox's cock fumes in place of oxygen.

>>72049697
She'll be fine. Trust her, she knows what she's doing.

>>72042342
You see, all those collabs she did with Selen, and the great chemistry they had and the ticket she used to get a paired combo outfit with her were in fact all grooming attempts to make Selen lower her guard so they could backstab her.

Source: trust me bro

>>72049832
Dude, she, Kiara, Enna, Elira and Luca are all hanging out in once place, at the same time.

>>72050308
Proof of Kiara and Luca being in the same place at the same time?

>>72050411
compare tweet timelines.

>>72050512
If it's that obvious, post the links.

>>72050579
>posting RM links on /vt/
yea nah, do your own reps

>>72037689
Mumei is worth more than the entirety of the right side by herself

>>72050685
If you had actual proof, you'd eat the 3day ban to shitpost about it :)

>sayu anywhere near selen

Lol no she's the third party that no one likes

>>72039713
>Selen is such good friends with Enna and Vox, she forms a subgroup with them
>Selen is so close to Vox, he pays for her projects
>Selen has met the clique in real life and talks about how great it was to meet them
>Selen wasn't in the "clique" because????

You faggots are retarded. Kiara is based. It's as right as rain

>>72051966
Anon, what the fuck is this delulu and where did you spawed it?
Are you fishing for (You) by proving you need medical help?

honestly, it's beginning to look more and more like niji management & nijisisters (women who are fans of the niji males) are trying to deflect blame away from the male-favoring management and onto the female livers (who are disposable to them, because nijisisters only care about the boys)

>>72050018
Honestly Pomu has tweeted nothing. All we have is a schizo that says they saw each other but they could literally be saluting and Pomu gtfo because she didn't want to be involved.
She has literally done ZERO tweets about the entire situation but Nijisis are so desperate for lazulight validation that doesn't exist.
I wish they would stop, poor girl is trying so hard to have a normal life and they want her to take a bullet for this whole drama because they are desperate for a W.

>>72051914
Nigga you gotta try a different angle, the Doki vs Sayu strat hasn't been working

>>72052199
he's right though
this is one thing that's always rubbed me wrong about the whole situation
>has a zatsu dedicated to talking about how much fun she had with Elira during NijiFes
>Even spent a ton of cash trying to win a gachapon machine for her
>Toured a haunted house with Enna and Millie
>Clung on to Millie the entire time and held her hand throughout the haunted house
>Vox and her start "Niji cancelled" together with Enna
>Has Chinese zatsus with Enna
>Enna and her collab semi frequently for a while even

1 month later
>Everyone is now a bully
>They pushed her to suicide
>Everyone is a bad person but her

I like Doki, always will. But I mean, if you actually take a look at her history, something doesn't exactly add up.

>>72052281
I admit it could be true, but even if so the black video still exist and the female livers aren't allowed to talk, and they have a reputation for being bitchy regardless to who they were bitchy with.
I admit it looks weird how Niji is doing no effort at all to defend the females but still allows Vox to roam around like he has done nothing wrong. But then again that's just favoritism to Luxiem that doesn't need to be explained.

Still as long as they can't talk, the evidence are those we have. If they want to tell their truth, let them find a way, the first task is to take down company and/or management so we can finally sort out good and bad eggs.

>>72052199
>The Dokifag cried while responding. Not being able to come to terms with the facts

The fact you retards think she apparently had to deal with non stop bullying from the clique despite the only instance of "harassment" being people questioning her on her handling her MV situation and being friends with all of them is funny as shit. She even informed them of her suicide attempt directly. The clique rrat is retarded and the fact normie faggots believe it proves the average IQ of the community is below 0

>>72037689
but who is the hulk

>>72052420
You also missed how Vox was the one to fund Selen's EN Minecraft tournament world thing

>>72037689
>Elira - Vtweeter and investor cum-dump
>Vox - White monkey.
>Pomu - Twitter user and Pushover.
>Ike - *Water bottle*.
>Enna - Mogged by a piece of paper and is a piece of shit.
>Finana - Is a meme unit of measurement for garbage CCV.
>Kiara - Most hated member of her branch.
oh nyoooo... anyway

>>72052420
Except Doki literally said to not attack the livers but management, and management has clearly always favored the males and Luxiem. Vox is an ass is not even in discussion with his victim blaming shit.

Maybe the girls are innocent and the males were the harrassers? Doesn't change the situation we are in. Doki could have said that after the black video because she knew Elira would be scapegoated, and yet here we are.
You can't ask me to trust someone, either they leave and then we can sort them out or they stay and can't support them because management will be the one supported and they are the bad guys.

>>72037689
It's just natural that the good guys win.

>>72052488
>>72052534
Again, this is what you say. We have been inundated with fake show of friendship by Nijisanji, the high turnaround, the "family" bs.
You want me to believe stuff that the company says how they went, when there are plenty of evidence of the company being a bad actor and the livers having done shit.
The truth is simple: can't draw a line because the core of the company is bad. Can't defend the livers and honestly Doki is right at the end, everyone should have moved on but the company isn't, keeping messing with their livers and forcing things on them while not admitting faults and just hoping the people will give a free pass.

Even in a grey world, I don't see why supporting a company that clearly tried to screw everyone who didn't step in line with their bs. You are just asking to wait for the next victim, not to solve the situation. We have already seen what they did to Scarle when she's not being in line and how the males are forcing themselves on her.

I love my Nijisanji family!

>>72052600
>management has clearly always favored the males and Luxiem.
>You will now remember Mysta and Yugo.
Also if you can't see why the people that have the most fans and being in the most support have the most sponsors and merch, you're lost

>>72052600
Gumi (Doki's close friend) literally stated that the bullies outed themselves as in the people in and who were mentioned in the black-screen video. What are you talking about?

>>72052851
Uhhh...sorry what? That's bullshit and you know it. Factually.
Elira is not the top female streamer, even Ethyria mogs her, and she constantly got stuff, and Q3 fully proved those didn't pay shit.
Also Yugo is a whole thing and Mysta clearly was someone else who didn't want to stay in line, your examples are kinda shit.
Of course I'm the idiot here, trying to have a decent argument on why management is bad but you as usual seem only interested in a status quo that will only cause more problems. Nijisis never change.

>>72052896
She did? I actually legitimately missed that.
Also why quoting me and not the guy literally saying the girls are innocent. Are you trying some shitty gaslighting?

>>72052793
>that the company says how they went,
Dramafag, you know Doki herself said she informed them first too in her return stream, right? She also never said there were more instances of 'harassment" in the document past the one Vox and Elira talked about despite her deciding to try clearing up misconceptions about the document. It's pretty clear that they're not lying and the retard central that is VT containment broke so hard, their retardation has effected the general population

>>72041692
>>72041890
That's wrong, you idiots, LK has only ever posted once in December, there was another leaker who posted more extensively,
rentry.org/nijileaker/

Realistically, can nijisanji even recover

>>72053047
>Are you trying some shitty gaslighting?
Wasn't my intention. I must have misread you. Carry on.

>>72052896
Wow. What a reliable source of information. I guess we can also take 39Daph as evidence that Doki is lying too, right?

>>72037689
The fuck Kiara did other than being friends with Pomu?
What the fuck Pomu did? She was good friends with Selen and they had probably the best chemistry in whole company
Are you Kiara schizo trying out new slander format?

>>72053221
>What a reliable source of information
I know right? Better than anything you can come up with.

>>72052600
If you want my honest opinion, I think that both sides were fucked to begin with. I do think that management had the largest role in the fuckery but, as somebody who has watched selen And now Doki, I will say that her timeline of events is kind of bad .
Like according to her, she submitted her cover for approval and then it was taken down by management, and she tweeted out that and told people to download it and post it. I wrote an angry letter to management for that and got a response back saying that they were just trying to approve some things but that they had intentions of releasing the cover.
Then, turns out that that was the exact case, she literally waited less than a day to get the cover approved and when she didn't have permission yet. She uploaded it anyway. Can you imagine if Bae did that for Mind Craft?

We also had that time where she claimed that management would no longer allow her to do tournaments, and I even wrote angry letters about it too, talking about what fuckups management were for not supporting her and doing them, and then she streamed and she basically said that management never actually officially told her that she couldn't do any of the streams anymore, just that that tournament in particular was gone and done for, and that it was a lot of paperwork and a lot of hassle to get things organized and that quite frankly it wasn't worth the time because it's not like she made any money off of them anyway and she helped organize another international tournament a few months after that.

Don't get me wrong, Pomu, someone who was literally in love with the idea of being in Niji, became so frustrated towards the end that she flat out said graduating would be better than staying in a place that would make her into something she'd hate.
Management fucking sucks and always has, their idea of spamming waves out like mad also killed the one thing people loved about Niji from the getgo.

>>72053232

>>72053183
Cool, more bullshit "leakers". No wonder shit like Q anon works. People are fucking retards these days.

>>72053183
>LK has only ever posted once in December
Not true, this is their first post
>>/vt/thread/66710679#p66715672

>>72053199
Not unless there is some sort of clarification on NijiEN's part. Until then people will speculate and come to their own conclusions. It's entirely on Nijisanji's part.

>>72053447
Big deal. Who cares?

>>72052992
Elira isn't the top female streamer but she is from the first wave of EN, the most successful of her wave at the time, is the daisenpai, and has connections to the main branch as she can actually speak Japanese. How is it a surprise she gets the most shit? If management is biased towards the males, how come Yugo graduated abruptly and Mysta talks about how shit management was to him? Not very good bias now

>>72052333
She did tweet a couple of things:
One about how she's sorry she couldn't do more.
One about her oshi idol graduating from a company (toypla) that was known for harassing a past talent and how much better she felt about supporting her now.

Of course it's Pomu so you decide if it means anything or not.

It's so over :(

>>72051966
>good friends with Enna
Retarded threadwatcher

>>72053505
Yeah, sorry, I misremembered when he posted, but this is Indeed the only "legit" LK post.

>>72053553
The second one I just genuinely do believe was her talking about how her idol Oshi was mistreated in her corporation .
Like being mistreated as an idol is so common that it's not even funny. It is about looks, abilities and favoritism. There are a lot of different reports of idols who end up graduating because their managers neglect them and treat them like shit.

>>72053141
Can you actually make sense? Because sounds to me like you just like to scream and not even notice that according to you it was only one circumstance but at the same time your argument is that multiple circumstances is weird. You are contradicting yourself in your own nonsense.
You really think anyone is gonna drink the kool-aid of "they are not lying" you are retarded. We are suppose to believe the managers are the good guys and that Doki was never harrassed by anyone? Fuck off falseflagger.
Doki literally said it was a decision she matured in months and even le retard the Vox agreed with that in his own "blame the victim" fucking speech, so clearly it wasn't just a december thing.
By what both said, it's pretty clear there are good and bad eggs, but instead of cleaning stuff up and themselves a smear campaign was launched making her look like "the bad one" that of course backfired because it wasn't one bit beliavable.

If you want an example of what happens when the company is right, just look at Idol. Immediately produced the papers of what the vtuber did wrong and immediately changed the policies that were not working. It's been a month and Niji changed jack shit, put gag orders everywhere, let the fans harrass Doki and the drama build on their own livers without doing anything, and now it's losing on every side.
You are still the only retarded sprouting "Nah, Doki is in the wrong and you should all shut up". Nijisanji could easily clean their own shit. They don't wanna? Then better dead than having some liver get killed over them permitting this shit.

>>72053682
Basically a bunch of shit happened January 14-15, and it's sus as fuck

>>72049832
Coxygen

>>72053537
Everyone apparently.

>>72053232
KFP are always paki niggers with broken English.

I'm laughing at this, because Kiara showing no real bad blood for Enna and Millie publicly on Twitter actively shits on the rrat some anon argued with me about on another thread from about a week ago where I said that Kiara may be on good terms with people outside of Pomu and Nina when it came to Nijisanji, and they said it was unlikely. I'm vindicated, and I'm just petty enough to throw it out there.

Of course, a lot of anons gonna act like I'm some Nijifag for saying any of this. I'm not, I'm just a petty asshole and want to laugh at that stupid anon for acting like Mumei has the ability to terminate friendships by word of mouth alone.

>>72053447
cool. even less reason to watch kiara

>>72053688
No, what she said was 100% true, just not related to her oshi in particular, just another talent with the same company. What's up for interpretation is the reason why her explanation was so detailed (with the timing). That's the part where you can read more into it, or you don't because it could be either.

>>72053876
Amongst all, the one I'll never forgive is Rosemi.
I hope her 3D stream bombs.

>>72053447
Who's ready for Kiara to spout some dumb anti-Doki shit that Enna fed her? Is this the thing that the nijileaker said about getting external help?

>>72042342
Above all else i'm praying that Pomu doesn't bend the knee. I can't fucking stomach the idea that she will take the clique's side over Selen/Doki. That fucking tweet by Kiara has dealt a huge blow to my morale. All i can hope for is that Pomu wasn't actually there when Kiara met Enna. If she was, then everything is FUBAR.

>>72053447
>sweet cute pretty
She's none of those things. Even if you somehow think her face is cute her giant melon head negates it.

>>72053232
Pomu did nothing. But because Kiara met with Pomu and the Kiara decided to die on a cross, now people want badly to say "Pomu supports Niji" despite all the evidence of the contrary and her literally not giving a fuck about anything that is happening, hanging with her oshis.
Nijisis want badly to turn this in their gotcha but can't even muster one good fucking argument.

>>72053427
Apparently we still have to drink the kool-aid that one agrees with management on a deadline, Dec 25th, get ghosted exactly at the deadline, and she's the bad actor.
Bet your fucking ass if she did wait they would blast her for missing the deadline, which was PUBLIC AND KNOW TO EVERYONE. Just like they blasted her for the voice pack deadline for which she asked an assistant that never got.

As for the tournament, you are seeing the very same result right now: things go so to shit that all of a sudden all MV with ex-livers are 100% fine and massively bumped out.
I bet my ass it was the same situation, everyone was pissed off and management caved because otherwise they would had to admit they were in the wrong, and it was a money gain for them.

You are just trying to say "management sucks" but this is the same management who sent Sayu the gagging order contract, which if it was false you can bet your ass they would have already sued the shit out of Sayu the moment it was published, so that is what it is.

You can't go "they suck this 120 times but just those times that make Doki bad they must be right". It's such a falseflagging argument.

>>72054272
>>72054288
It's time to take a break from the internet. It's not that serious.

>>72054386
Great contribution anon; pat yourself on the back for that one.

>>72052851
>Clearly talks about most fans and most support.
>>72053545
>No, I meant she is the most successful first wave.
At least keep the arguments straight. And who is to say that supporting the males means all the males? And Mysta literally said management was shit to him.
Overall, we are basically saying the same thing, management is the first and foremost to blame. But since the livers can't protest and have to go rank and file for them, you can't ask me to go "nah I'll support my oshi and give 98% of that support to Niji". It's retarded.

>Doki
>Sayu
What interactions have they had?

>>72054386
I would if you can assure me those who left are not gonna get harrassed and targeted, that none of those in is still in danger of harrassment, and that management will be changed to competent people who care.

None of those seems to happen so sorry but I'm sticking to making a point until we can get one of these things done, because frankly you want to end the drama? Cut it at the source, don't scream at the sky to stop raining like a moron. Things will never end even if they calm down, people don't forget, they just keep it in the back of the mind until it comes back.
And with Niji, coming back seems a standard.

>>72053873
What are you talking about, Mr. Dramafag? Selen primarily was complaining about mismanagement which is why the document even included shit about favoritism. Vox says there's more than one instance of her having trouble with managers but never talks about her consistently claiming to be "harassed" from other members. How can it be victim blaming too? She felt harassed but it wasn't harassment to anyone else. I can call my friend a faggot right now and he'd see it as joke while someone else would see that harassment. If you have proof of this harassment, I sure would like to see the evidence. The only one launching a smear campaign was Selen via blaming her suicide attempt on other people without evidence of any claim of harassment she made. Nijisanji didn't do anything but explain what her document said and how her document isn't correct, prove anything they said there was a lie

>>72054288
The thing is, nowhere does she state that she was given a hard deadline of the 25th. She personally gave management the deadline of the 25th and wanted it out by then. Does it suck that management ghosted her ? Yes. Does it suck that Japanese corporations are known for doing the same exact thing? Yes .
Kiara literally talked about the fact that the first pomu collab that she had, she had been pestering management for a year to get and how they had literally ignored her each time that she had asked until one of the stars members asked for a collab and then suddenly it all fell through.

Also, nowhere does it actually say that any of the ex livers were contacted, in fact I would almost want to bet that Mysta didn't want to be used in the MV. The dude absolutely fucking hates his fans from then, he has done everything in his power to push away the fan base that used to be there when he was mysta. And what happened with the tournament was she was given a speculative date of when it might happen, she publicized said date and said that the date of the tournament was final. It turns out that it wasn't, she didn't properly pay attention and admitted it on stream. They tried to work out other dates that it might work on, but JPs are busy. A lot of the popular members that she wanted in her tournament, are also the same members who are doing things like 3D events and also going on hiatus for months at a time where they're not able to be reached out by anybody.

Management does suck, management prioritized every wave but hers, took 3 years to get the first two waves 3D, because they were so busy sucking off luxiem dick they shot themselves in the foot trying to organize anything else. And led to the graduation of one of their biggest talents because the fact that they refused to let her participate in things that she was literally invited to participate in. They made somebody who had hopes and dreams of being in their company, say that she was becoming bitter and didn't want her fans to see her like that by staying in their company. That's fucked up.

>>72054264
This is exactly what's gonna happen, after this interaction there's gonna be comments in all sns bothering her about it until she "has to pick a side" and inevitably sides with whoever she's closest to, not realizing the real out-of-the-box answer.

>>72054638
None. There is no "civil war" but inside of Niji and in the Nijisis mind who think Doki, the one who said to defend the livers, is the culprit of all their woes created BY MANAGEMENT and the black video.

Sayu I will admit keeps pointing fingers, now even at Vshojo, while Doki has literally tried to be a normal Indie from day 1, clearly just wanting to graduate but as LK said they were trying to not have it next to Pomu and in doing so they only fucked with her enough to find out she wasn't gonna bow to them anymore.
Cue smear campaign backfiring, and the sis left in shambles that the company keeps getting Ls out of their own cowardness in helping the livers get out of this mess.

I'll be honest, it's the end of March and most of them are still not fucking streaming. This is too long even for fucking 3Ds, sounds more to me that they don't want them out yapping something.

>>72054288
Pomu didn't like it when being in Niji personally affected her, doesn't mean she didn't approve of the clique nature, just like Matara, it's just taking what's most convenient, nothing personel kid.

>>72054768
Japanese management doesn't speak in cutesy passive-aggressive girlish language full of ... and !!!, anon.
Nor do they change the nickname in slack before taking screenshots for the black video.

>>72054554
Yeah, the males have the most fans and support. So they are shilled more. Notice how I never talked about the girls? Seems like the guy who can't keep up an argument is you.

>They favored the males
>But not those males though

When does accountability start being taken into the equation? If you think in every situation where people have a problem with a manager that the manager is always wrong, you're just an ignorant communist

>>72054759
>Vox says
Opinion discarded

>>72054998
Most of their managers are girls anon.
They literally almost all talk about how most of their managers are girls. Also the managers who are in charge of the girls and the livers themselves, are not Japanese management.
And they're the low end of the totem pole, they send it to a person above them who then sends it to a person above them and that person above #2 then sends it back down to them and then they send it to the livers.
Most of the girls actually talk about how their managers are actually quite cute and open about their interests. This was Millies interpretation of her their manager for ethyria posted literally today. Elira's talked numerous times about how her manager is also a girl and a Fujo who heavily ships akechi and joker.

>>72054768
>Mysta didn't want to be added.
Aside from the fact the rule is fucking stupid as the IP is owned by Anycolor, in case you fucking forgot, so that wouldn't even matter because they could literally still sell Mysta merch and legally no one could stop them, it would just be blasted by the fans for bad taste.
Also dyrbi that their schedules aren't management approved? Come on Anon, you are just drinking the kool aid harder here, management knew EXACTLY where to ghost her and it was a fucked if you do-fucked if you don't situation, because after the MV she would have announced graduation and it would have been a Pomu+Selen combo that was not good for Niji.

I'm starting to be very confused on what side of this talk you are on here. You wanna tell me Doki isn't perfect, ok, but that doesn't mean if you want out that management must sabotage you and try every dirty trick to stuff you in. They were suspending her so she couldn't announce graduation, harrassed her with penalties and pushed her to self harm, probably encouraging livers to double down.

The entire situation is shitty and the only right choice was allowing her to move on, instead of forcing a smear campaign that only objective was softening the blow of losing another liver after a gigantic turnover during the year.

The narrative is simple, Niji fucked up and instead of owning it and solving the problem they are hoping more harrassment by the fans and people focusing on something else will give them a free pass. That will not stop being wrong, and the livers are not innocent as they are making their choice staying and still promoting the corporation.

Tell me where I'm wrong about this instead of keep attacking the one person who literally, as every faggot post is asking, moved over.

>>72055081
>Never talk about the girls.
>Made 2 posts about Elira.
Bruh, just shut up, people here made better arguments than you Nijisis, you keep stumbling on your own bs.

>>72055485
>But managers are girls so are good.
>Also says how those managers count for shit and those above them are the ass making the bad choices.
Argument self-invalidated, you are using the bottom of the totem pole to justify the top.

>>72055617
Ok, ESL. Clearly you don't know what context means so I'll explain it even further you
>Notice how I didn't talk about the girls ( in that post)
The first one to bring up Elira is you

>>72055485
Doesn't matter, no manager would unironically speak like that to their subject, unless they try to match their subject's informal speech style for some braindead reason.
Also doesn't explain the need to change their nickname before "failing" to censor it properly.

>>72038699
bro kiara won't fuck you man but keep modding for the KFP discord! i'm sure she'll fuck you anytime now!

>>72055532
Even though the IP is owned by them, they actually do request permission from the people who used to play those characters or livers or whatever you want to call them before they're allowed to do anything with them.
When they launched ethyria merch Nina's graduation, The livers themselves as well as the store itself talked about the fact that the merch was only publicized with permission from Nina. It was her idea it was her last treat to her fans in Niji.

I'm not really sure what you're getting at with the schedules, Selen herself stated numerous times that the cover was almost kind of a last-minute surprise because she had actually gone through different producers and she had also contacted multiple different artists to work on the cover some of which had delays in their art making it. When it all finally came together she was eager to post it and she was very happy that it came together before the deadline.

Also the whole
>Pomu and Selen leaving would have been bad
Selen had no intentions of leaving until management asked her to take down the tweet. She mentioned in her return stream that she was still in the hospital and they were trying to contact her and that she ignored them because she was recovering. She forwarded them to a lawyer.

Literally, from everything that we know and she has not commented about being wrong, she submitted a cover, waited less than a day to hear from it, publicized it anyway, and got in trouble for doing so. Is it fucked up that you even have to have permission to publicize the cover that is full of artists that you've worked with before, features company IPs and a song you got permission to sing over a year ago? Yes.
But that's also just how Japan works

>>72056210
So you're saying there's a chance?

>>72037689
It's kinda disapointing seeing the much lauded FINAL YAB be reduced to black dragon group vs white dragon group

>>72056310
considering what kiara did before she was a vtuber i'd say yeah

>>72055743
The bottom of the totem pole managers actually do seem to care about the girls and do seem very invested in their well-being. Almost every single liver including Selen, have praised and talked very fondly about the people who work directly with them.
It's unfortunately the people above them that really start to showcase how fucking bad things are in Japan. You have constant delays, constant setbacks, and all that other bullshit. I'm not justifying the top by talking about how good the bottom is, quite the opposite. I am saying though that the people who do work with the girls, are often seen using fruity language, talking about things that are not very business oriented, and being very jovial and playful with them to the point where they even discuss fictional ships with them.

Selens manager Even gave her money to spend while they were in Japan and took her shopping everywhere that she wanted to go because she didn't know how to speak Japanese.

>>72056383
Why did Selen needed an "assistant" then if her manager was oh so helpful? Either they were useless, or there was no manager already by that time. Pick your poison I guess.

>>72054977
I like Sayu, but yeah she really needs to shut the fuck up about this shit, and just idk temp ban people in her chat for bringing it up at this point if she can't ignore it. She's just stirring the pot, and not actually "over it" like she claims she is.

The longer things go without Elira and Vox streaming (the unannounced hiatus specifically), the more I'm convinced the rrats are wrong, that the leaker is likely full of shit, and that Niji corporate is just trying to keep people from saying shit, even in their own defense, because they fear the reputational damage. If Uki saying some racist shit was enough to cause a public stink, Elira and Vox admitting to wrongdoing in any capacity likely would cause a bigger stink. Especially so on the JP side, where they'd see the public apology in a less than favorable way.

>>72056246
>She mentioned in her return stream that she was still in the hospital and they were trying to contact her and that she ignored them because she was recovering. She forwarded them to a lawyer.

What? No she didn't. That literally never happened. She just said they knew

>>72055926
Except we literally have examples all the time with the girls talking about how informal and how down to earth the managers that they work directly with are. There are basically interns who get paid like shit to translate requests and shit between English and Japan.
Also, I couldn't tell you why they changed their nickname. People change nicknames on slack all the time, especially when you're in a position that is known for constantly rotating you around. Managers get shipped off to different waves all the time, some people seem to also have individual managers specifically for them, and some managers abruptly leave because the pay is shit and they're not treated well.

Is it possible that any of the above led to a change and nickname from said manager? Possibly. It does not defeat the purpose that the manager speaking to her was most likely a girl using girly language like the managers have been known to do

>>72056383
> The bottom of the totem pole managers actually do seem to care

it's like that everywhere, upper management will always be filled with greedy fucks

> stock price drops
> we must-o apologize-u

>>72056616
Maybe she didn't use the word hospital but she did say that she was still recovering while she was trying to be contacted by management, and that she ended up forwarding them to a lawyer because she did not have the energy to deal with it while she was still in the process of recovery.
Her last stream of 2023 was talking about all the things that she had planned for 2024, and that she even wanted to get a statue by 2025.

It was not until management took down the video that they did not approve of in the first place that she even mentioned the idea of graduating.

>>72053221
Elira's ex-friend said something very similar to Selen's friend so it is not like it is only coming from one side.

>>72056644
>Millie and Elira talking about "manesan"
These two are implicated.
Any recent clips of Petra, Rosemi or Pomu?

>>72056616
>>72056796
Actually it was NijiEN themselves who mentioned repeatedly trying to communicate with Selen's emergency contact.

>>72056610
The bottom of the totem pole managers are pretty much useless. They can only request the upper managers to do stuff, they cannot do anything on their own. They don't have permission to approve anything, they don't have permission to deny anything, they don't even seem to have permission to reach out to developers and publishers for games without getting permission from upper management themselves. They are unironically about the same level as an intern.
>>72056725
And yes. It is like that everywhere, especially in Japan which is known as a hierarchical society that is very heavily dependent on the idea of having a billion in one branches to society that is very heavily dependent on the idea of having a billion in one branches to society that is very heavily dependent on the idea of having a billion in one branches to society that is very heavily dependent on the idea of having a billion and one "stages" that you have to go through in order to get shit done. There is a reason why Japanese research rates have fallen along with their birth rates and everything else. Fortunately, it isn't quite as bad as South Korea but it is close.

>>72056979
That's just a twitter mutual. I don't see how this performative woman moment proves anything. Nice phonecap by the way.

>>72038025
He and the rest of his genmates started joking about "the ship is sinking" and "community noted" on a stream and its safe to assume that Altare and Axel fucking resent Niji.

>>72057067
Yes, I would have to dig in the archives to find them but Rosemi in particular has talked about her manager and how funny she is.

>>72057068
Doki also mentioned it on her return stream. She mentions that they literally tried to contact her but she could not deal with it at the time and so she forwarded them to a lawyer because she just was not able to deal with it. She was still recovering when she was being contacted and spammed by them trying to get a hold of her.

>>72056979
>bonded over Xenoblade
>twitter "friend"
>also a known dramawhore
Shedding Gigi like a bad flee is probably the only W Elira got out of the whole thing,.

>>72057282
Elira and the rest of the clique were SJW tumblrinas before they debuted. Hanamori was absolutely the kind of environment which would invite friends like that so... not exactly a W for elira

>>72057196
Rosemi is semi-implicated with the "pink girl" tweet, but if it's recent but not post-drama recent, I will bite.

>>72037689
I always wondered why Kiara even bothered to associate with Niji girls when there's more than enough girls to hang out with in Hololive, especially when she's in Japan. Today my last two remaining brain cells have finally connected the dots.
If you know anything about the queen bee of Nijisanji EN (Elira), then you're probably aware that she always had "I deserve this" attitude, even before she joined Nijisanji. Kiara is friends with Elira, and the whole clique essentially operates on that mindset. Kiara was always the runt of her gen, and in my opinion, gave off strong basic bitch vibes. She's the type of girl whose whole live revolves around food pictures, selfies, over the top care of self's image and nonstop seeking for validation. She always believed she deserves more, and whether that's true or not is irrelevant. Unfortunately, I had to deal with a couple of basic bitches like that in my life. It's always fake appearances, appearing nice to people that matter, sucking up to other popular bitches or dudes, and often shitting on anyone who is perceived to be below them (covertly or overtly). She can't be cured. No matter what you say or do, she will continue associating with niji girls behind the scenes, she will continue mentioning Gura whenever possible to get clipppers to clip her, she will continue complaining whenever she dislikes something, and she will continue with her mundane talks and often shitty takes on things. It's fine. However, I sincerely hope she keeps all of that to herself and doesn't drag any other EN girl into that cesspit. God, please save Nerissa from Kiara.

>>72056979
Yeah, even if I'm pissed at Elira for the whole thing with the black screen stream, this isn't exactly what you think it is anon. It's a Twitter mutual claiming stuff without really sourcing anything. At least with Gumi we know she was friends with Doki long before she was Selen, so there's at least some (albeit very biased) believability there. Even then, I'm not 100% convinced, because of Gumi's aforementioned bias. Not that I think she's lying, but that she has a vested interest in defending her friend, so it colors her perception of things.

>>72057068
>>72057260

When were the words "in the hospital" ever said? How would they able to talk to Selen if they took her phone away in the hospital after she was placed in a mental health facility? How does talking to Selen's emergency contact prove that this happened when she was in the hospital and not before? When did she ever say she forwarded them to a lawyer when she was in the hospital? When did every say this at all? Timestamp? Link? Anything proving you're not full of shit?

>>72057753
> Even then, I'm not 100% convinced, because of Gumi's aforementioned bias. Not that I think she's lying, but that she has a vested interest in defending her friend, so it colors her perception of things.
Another thing to mention is that we don't actually know the extent of the things relayed to her friends by Doki. How much do people like RPR or Gumi even know? Surely you would tell your friends all about the people who torment you on the daily and who they are.

>>72057490
Almost every single one of the girls has talked positively about their manager at one point in time. Even Selen and Pomu.
The bottom of the totem pole managers seem pretty chill and seem pretty fun to be around, a lot of them are very supportive and have met up with the girls multiple times.

There are Petra streams where she's talked about her manager being pretty before. I know that much. The girls and occasional guys who get paid to be the middle man between EN and JP all seem to be really supportive of the girls. It's unfortunately the People above them that make being in Niji absolute hell. Nina talked about how she couldn't even get an original sea shanty approved by upper management because of
> reasons

>>72057943
>RPR
LMAO, he was ghosted for a month

>>72058024
With friends like these? Man...

>>72057768
First of all I'm the anon who posted the section of the termination notice, I'm not sure whether the other anon is correct about Doki mentioning it on stream.
>How would they able to talk to Selen if they took her phone away in the hospital after she was placed in a mental health facility?
I myself have been in a psychiatric unit a number of years ago due to a suicide attempt and they don't typically take phones away from patients. I don't know why this keeps coming up.
>How does talking to Selen's emergency contact prove that this happened when she was in the hospital and not before?
Why would they be attempting to speak to an EMERGENCY contact if she wasn't seriously ill?
As for your other questions I guess they're directed at the other anon.

>>72057590
Anon, please, for the sake of the people who love you, seek help, get medication.

>>72057590
i'm pretty sure majority of people who've seen her know this and which is why her numbers have always been so low

>>72058023
>at one point in time
Things change, especially if it's bottom of the pole effective part-timers.
Elira's independent contractor contract wouldn't allow her to apply for jp work visa, but look where we are now.

>>72057590
It's already over. God won't save you. The Solar God watches over his best subjects namely the Solar Dragon and the Fire Bird.

>>72057590
The cake princess redid a dance video because she didn't like how her pants looked. She's extremely vain and entitled.

>>72058396
>>72058247
t. KFP discord mods

KINO

>>72057768
Like I said, she might not have specifically said that she was in the hospital when she forwarded the messages and calls to her lawyer but she did mention she was recovering when they were spamming her trying to get ahold of her.

My point still stands that she had no intentions of graduating until they took down her cover that wasn't even given permission to be uploaded in the first place and that's something she has not denied or even vaguely hinted at being wrong.
The official timeline of events according to almost everything that you can find including her tweets and her videos and everything else that do not deny any of this is
>She uploaded a cover without permission
>Got it taken down because it featured past members without their permission
>Told people to re-upload it
>Got suspended for doing so
>Attempted suicide
>Was told to take down her tweets
>Attempted suicide again (?)
And then I think what happened was
>Got out of the hospital
>Was attempted to be contacted by management
>Didn't want to talk to management while recovering
>Forwarded contact to lawyer
>Wanted to amicably graduate but wasn't actively contacting anycolor herself
>Threatened legal action after not hearing back from them
>Was fired

>>72058715
bravo kojima

>>72058199
It's common to procedure to confiscate someone's personal belongings if they're placed in a mental health ward. Selen even said she only just got access back to her phone. Selen was obviously not in a good mental state and she probably requested for her emergency contact to be there since emergency contacts are also relevant in mental health emergencies

>>72058268
>Look where we are now
Still in the same place...?
Elira hasn't streamed since going to Japan, she hasn't officially worked since going to Japan and Japan allows stays of 90 days for non work visa visits but sometimes you can even get up to 6 months if you do a double trip.

>>72058199
>I myself have been in a psychiatric unit a number of years ago due to a suicide attempt
In Canada?

>>72058199
>>How would they able to talk to Selen if they took her phone away in the hospital after she was placed in a mental health facility?
>I myself have been in a psychiatric unit a number of years ago due to a suicide attempt and they don't typically take phones away from patients. I don't know why this keeps coming up.
I have to ask if you're a Canadian, anon, because in Canada (at least the part of Canada I live in) they took my phone away when I was admitted for past suicide attempts, and I didn't get it back until I was leaving, because of patient confidentiality. The only thing I'd be allowed to do with my phone otherwise was use it to get a phone number to use the hospital's psychiatric ward's phone, which was monitored. I'm not trying to discount your experience, just trying to verify some stuff.

>>72037689
Kiara got jealous of everybody but her getting botted so she's after those niji bots

>>72054813
I hope she doesn't think some of the remaining KFP aren't willing to leave her over that.

>>72059139
>>72059160
To be fair, no, it was in the UK. I had assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that procedures would be somewhat similar in both countries.

>>72057590
I think you're just going full schizo because of /vt/ and the Kiara bias /here/

If Kiara was such a basic bitch, I doubt she'd have half the friends she does have in Hololive, let along Nijisanji. I'm not necessarily a huge fan of hers (I only watch her every so often just because she doesn't really play games I'm super interested in), but I mean, I feel like if she had this mentality, she wouldn't be on such good terms with all of the other EN members. I think it just boils down to the fact that, as I've said many times, sometimes you can be friends with people who dislike your other friends. It's really not that deep.

>>72054264
>>72054813
If she is retarded enough to do such a thing.. Management will give her the business for getting them involved in the drama.. Not to mention her alienating herself from mumei and the rest of promise.. She'd be getting MASSIVE amounts of hate and the drama channels would eat her alive.. She'd be completely and utterly destroyed if she tried to do that just like 39IQ was except WAY worse because she is an OG member of myth and not some twitch thot

>>72058879
>she might not have specifically said that she was in the hospital when she forwarded the messages and calls to her lawyer but she did mention she was recovering when they were spamming her trying to get ahold of her.
So she never said they spammed her in the hospital. Give me the timestamp when she said they were spamming her during recovery so she sent her lawyer to talk to them instead. The problem with your timeline is that they suspended her for not wanting to take down the tweets and make up for it so it's actually

>>She uploaded a cover without permission
>Got it taken down because it featured past members without their permission
>Told people to re-upload it
>Was told to take down her tweets and for either her or her manager to clear the situation and she doesn't
>Gets suspended
>Attempted suicide
>Got out of the hospital
>Writes document and shows document to lawyers
>Tries to negotiate terms with Nijisanji (who approached first was probably Selen as she had already wrote a document beforehand with the intent to involve lawyers)
>Wanted to amicably graduate, was also actively contacting anycolor herself as Nijisanji said she personally threatened legal action and they personally spoke to her multiple times as "Selen Tatsuki"
>Did not hear a response for a week so she sent the document to them while claiming to want to hold them legally responsible
>Was fired

>>72037689
Kiara once again finds herself in a situation that never would have happened if she could just SHUT THE FUCK UP. Seriously why does she need to make everything she does public ffs.

>>72060099
As far as I've seen, she's just replied to a tweet Enna made, and that's why people are acting like she's on the side of the "clique." Unless there's more to it than that, retards are just being schizo over nothing, per usual

War? Doki was too busy farming pity points. Vtubing is just about having an impactful debut and that's it. She never intended to be against nijisanji.

>>72060328
She and at least Enna and Millie had dinner together. Dramafags are going crazy, but there's nothing wrong with that.

>>72054188
meds

>>72060328
why enna of all people? did she just pick a random vtuber to reply to and it just happened to be enna? and why do it now after everything that just went down? kiara has nothing to gain from this and im almost certain she was drunk when she replied

>>72057166
well, aren't they friends of Doki?

>>72060328
>>72029177

>>72060648
Yeah, no kidding. I get that anons desperately want to act like the clique is their Pepe Silvia conspiracy rrat, but sometimes they need to remember to take their fucking meds.

>>72060770
I've said it a million times: You can be friends with people your other friends dislike, and nothing is wrong with that. To care about who hangs out with who is high school lunch table levels of petty bullshit. Who cares if she hung out with Enna (and presumably Millie)? It literally doesn't matter.

Kiara will kick Mumei from her holotori clique...

>>72054264
>Who's ready for Kiara to spout some dumb anti-Doki shit that Enna fed her?
How schizo are people going to get when she doesn't do that and they've just been talking about doing a collab or something?

>>72041692
It was confirmed to be real by the black box stream. That leak was the only thing suggesting that Nina and Mysta were the reason for the Last Cup of Coffee takedown and the black box stream confirmed that it was indeed Nina and Mysta appearing in the video that caused the problem.
Selen saying in the leak that Niji members were asking for her graduation also lines up with what Vox said, that members approached Selen after the video’s take down and that he “didn’t consider it harrassment,” he also mentioned how he told Selen she could graduate any time which could easily be what he interpreted to be help but what Selen took to be him asking for her graduation.

>>72060057
You can’t even make this shit up. No one mentioned legal action ever, it’s just the nijisis invention. She sent the document as an HR complaint to give her impression after being ghosted. Even the termination only speaks of a “statement” which is exactly what she did once abruptly terminated.
You faggots literally can see in V&U what happens when legal actions are issued, it doesn’t stay secret for one second and both parties go full boxing gloves immediately. Stop rratting on something that has no claim to be true.
Management didn’t want the complaint to be acknowledged because it fucked them, and went full smear campaign. Doki didn’t want to ever sue however, so just took the termination and resumed streaming. Then black video, proving the smearing campaign, she still defend the livers, haven’t said one thing about the company once since then.
The reast was all drama, Sayu and people digging and finding stuff.
You are living with “Doki is the problem” in your head rent free when she would be the first happy this stops.

>>72061040
It's okay to be friends with people your friends dislike simply because they don't vibe or they don't like them as a person.
It's not okay to be friends who arguably was complicit into pushing someone to suicide.

>>72061389
Doki is the problem there I said it now fuck off

>>72060057
Around the same time that she was asked to take down the tweets is seemingly when she went to the hospital and she likely was suspended for telling people to upload the cover. The rest of your post is half ESL and headcanons because of your personal bias.

I hate corporations, I think management sucks but I also think that Doki was known for blowing things out of proportion way before this. Like I said. I wrote to management several times on her behalf.
>>72061389
She actually mentioned that she had a lawyer send them documents and even on her first tweet she mentioned that she sent information she thought was only supposed to be shared between lawyers but it doesn't seem like her lawyer ever actually got confirmation that the information she sent was under NDA which is why in her follow-up to that tweet she doesn't mention violations of NDA or any laws, just that she wants to drop the situation and will not be going public with any information, and that she was angry and frustrated when she sent the information to Niji/Anycolor

>>72061256
Are you actually defending Vox? Are we at this leve of victim blaming?
Even normies know “you can always leave” is bs. He said himself he was gonna “leave with her” so what the fuck is even that suggestion?
The fucker tried to act like Doki was at fault when he spouted tginfs that are clearly untrue, everyone knows you cannot just “leave when you want”. It doesn’t work lime that anywhere, and definitely not at Niji.
Stop being desperate, the black video was a smearing campaign, everyone knows that, it was evne sent as soon as she started her first stream, peak maliciousness.

>>72037689
No we haven't. Zaion barely has any viewers and will give up streaming soon enough. Dokibird has been bleeding out viewers because the drama has now passed and has been definitively resolved. Any attempts at drama is just people trying to profit off the situation.

I mean, Nijisanji was not affected in a significant way at all. North America contributes nothing to the overall Vtuber landscape. SEA is where it is at. If they were to cut ties with NA, it would only be an improvement. I trust that Riku will continue to pump out new streamers on time. For right now, I am looking forward to the concert. Got my tickets and I can't wait!

>>72061137
Honestly, depending on the way Mumei sees the situation, could be disdaain or simply uncomfortable, she's not the best at social stuff so I can't expect her to quite get over it even if Doki told her to, but I wouldn't rule that out as well; and how comfortable Holo gets with Hanamori.
She may genuinely decide to leave simply on basis of not waiting around to be around them.

This is very VERY speculative and asumming however.

Regardless of who is in what clique, interacting with Enna now is very uncouth of Kiara.

>>72061408
Look, I pulled my support of Nijisanji because of all of this, and don't plan on supporting them until some kind of substantial visible change has occurred, if ever, but unless the girls actually full on bullied Doki and told her to self-delete, there's no "being complicit in pushing someone to suicide" here, or at the very least there is no concrete proof of that occurring. It's all hearsay atm. I'm not going to act like anyone pushed Doki to solve sudoku because that's retarded. Do I think they likely contributed to Doki's mental health taking a negative turn? It's certainly likely, but I seriously doubt anyone involved wanted Doki to commit suicide. To suggest otherwise is just pure autism fueled schizo logic.

>>72061603
>The document has no NDA
Jesus stop with the kool-aid sis, you really believe the document wouldn’t be fully public without NDAs? If not, then it obly proves Niji would get blasted by it, if it’s a nothingburger why not publishing it?

Also welcome back jobless monkey, do we have to do this song and dance again? It has been a month?
Lawyers DO NOT EQUAL lawsuit. Everyone in the west hires lawyers for consults. Stop being demented and ignore the facts.
You trying to pusg so hard “Doki is evil” is only making drama. She was over this in febraury. Niji kept yabbing and mesisng shit. All they need to do is prove the situation is better.
Even if she stops streaming the normies will keep calling it Kurosanji. The company made all the fucks for February and March on themselves.
The ball is on their fucking side of the field and all they need to do is prove goodwill. Not by releasing a year old 3D, but by simply act better which according to you is just above Pakistan which is telling how ignorant of the west you are.

>>72052420
>1 month later
>>Everyone is now a bully
>>They pushed her to suicide
>>Everyone is a bad person but her
Why do nijisisters keep trying to rewrite history? Selen said none of this. Niji management did. The only reason that this drama got this hot was because literally everything incriminating was said by Nijisanji themselves.
Somehow, sisters keep trying to shift this to "Doki attacks Nijisanji".

>>72061655
No, I’m not defending Vox. I think he genuinely believes himself to be free of sin because he’s a narcissist egotistical cunt and that’s why I phrased it as him seeing his own actions as helping Selen out whereas she understood his actions to be malicious and it made her already vulnerable state from the video takedown far worse.

>>72062039
Argument invalid because 98% of your support goes to Niji who will thank you and proceed to fuck the next liver.
Want to support your girls? Ask to fire the manager so they can talk freely and get better contracts.
Doki leaving is not gonna change that. That’s why she will be winning regardless being in your head free.

>>72061040
nigga you left out the fact this friend pushed someone to suicide

>>72062111
You can literally see the tweets yourself. Her follow-up tweet does not mention any violations of NDA and doesn't mention any laws being broken but rather that she was not in a good state of mind when she sent it.
It seems like she sent a document airing her personal grievances with individual livers and the company and post sending it, asked for the document to be under NDA but never actually received confirmation that it was.

If there were any violations of NDA in said document, Canada, especially where she lives in Canada, has very very strong laws regarding worker's rights and potential violations.

The only one actually ignoring facts is you. She threatened legal action against them and was subsequently fired according to her own posts and videos. Within less than 24 hours of sending a threat of potential legal action against them. She was canned and without notice of being canned either. Which I won't defend the lack of notice but again, feel free to point out where she mentions NDA violations or anything like that in her follow-up tweet the day after the black box stream.

>>72062184
So what’s the point? He’s a narcissistic asshole, then his words are invalid. Don’t try to psychoanalyze him when his problem is clearly ego that needs to be deflated.
First he admits he has a problem, then you can cure it. That’s literally how psychology works.

>>72038410
Well said anon

>>72061659
You don't even understand the OP. Jesus Christ you monkeys are retarded.

>>72060770
Look at the tweet she's replying to. She met Enna in person.

>>72062161
Selen didn't say that. You're correct. Gumi said
>The bullies outed themselves
And RPR unfollowed Enna Millie and Elira.

You can take that as you will but it does heavily indicate that Selen and her friends felt like they were being bullied by the same individuals who were listed as potentially being threatened with a public leak of their information and addresses.
Like I've said now like 50 times. There are no "good" sides to this situation. It's just been one overreaction after another on both ends

>People think Kiara wasn't testing the waters for the rest of EN
>People think this isn't Hololive members trying to save Niji livers from their black company (into indiedom)
>People think Holos would leave anyone behind
>Doki never mentioned names, because none of them were guilty

>216 posts for only 11 images
Best telltale sign of a thread filled with seething pseuds KEK
Whatever nijisanji is doing is clearly working.

>>72062454
>then his words are invalid
No? It’s always the narcissistic retards that tell on themselves, and I think Vox did exactly that. The leak of Selen saying that livers were asking for her graduation lines up with what Vox has claimed which means the leak was most likely real.

>>72062771
>It's just been one overreaction after another on both ends
Black stream specifically targeted the fucking neopets, causing Doki audible distress and forcing her to end the stream. Emotional response from a friend was somewhat justified. Doki just decided not to escalate after cooling off, which is again is the opposite of overreaction.

>>72057166
Altare and Axel had dinner with Petra btw

>>72062452
Yes, it’s called an HR complaint, everyone in a job knows you say a lot of things into it without filter, but it’s because in the west is legally supposed to not be publicized. The worse it could have happened is that is not this way in JP and they maliciously tossed it to the livers, but I’m not a JP lawyer and honestly I doubt is this way.
The fact they decided to instead publicize it, smear her, and terminate her rather than fixing the problem is not paining them anything but black in the west, you can be sure of it, so if you want that W take it, is not helping them the slightest.
I’m still looking where she says “legal actions” because in her own tweets talks only of solicitating them and in the termination it says statement, you are gaslighting yourself. Again, look into V&U, that’s legal actions activated, you can be 1000% sure no company would ever back away even if losing because money and time issues are on their side.

As for the legal violations, they fall under PIPEDA but here I got you, because it proves her goodwill: she would had to sue the livers, not the company, based on PIPEDA rules. So she didn’t do it because she actually doesn’t want to screw everyone out of their careers, her grudge is with Nijisanji as she said but you cannot just sue one side without the other to prove your case.
So basically it proves sh eLITERALLY defended the livers as any document between lawyers unless explicitly confirmed to be shareable can fall under PIPEDA in Canada.

All this still doesn’t change she could stop streaming today and we would be here. Leave her alone, she is not the problem. Niji refusing to change is.

>>72037689

I find it ironic that you are now relying on Kiara for credibility.

Is that a concession that no one actually believe your lies and that you need Hololive to bail you out?

>>72057166
>Altare and Axel fucking resent Niji
altare is friends with a bunch of niji males and kuro so i don't think they're your based bros picking sides

>>72062954
>NDF retards think Kiara will willfully kill her career by taking the wrong side in the biggest vtuber yab of all time

>>72062954
Ah yeah, I love inhaling hopium. Thanks.

>>72063219
Man this esl shit gets tiring to read.

HR complaint or not. She threatened legal action. She was the one who brought lawyers into it and was subsequently fired after sending a document she was angry when creating and then wanted NDA on the document but didn't receive that. She dropped all claims of having the legal higher ground and went from
>They forced my hand I'm going to leak everything after I talk to my lawyer
To
>I was angry when I wrote it. Don't harass the livers. Let bygones be bygones

If she had a case. Canadian law is nothing to fuck with and she would have pursued legal action but in the end she hastily sent a document that ended up being the end of her career in Niji. She had no intentions of graduating prior to her cover being taken down which is the point I was making from the very start
>>72063112
Let me be clear. The black box stream was retarded. But the black box stream wouldn't have happened if Selen didn't first over react to a cover she didn't have permission to upload, being taken down.
Management subsequently overreacting by locking her out of her accounts when she didn't respond was terrible and their investor notice saying
>Negligible
Didn't help either.

Then dokis first stream back she implies very heavily that she has dirt and docs that she could leak at any time, which again, was an over reaction to being fired. Which again caused an overreaction of the black box stream.

Even now we're in a thread that's caused by an overreaction to Kiara meeting up with people

>>72063027
Their entire EN branch short of like 4 people are 3views,
Their supas are dead
Their memberships are dead
The biggest streams are only getting views from a JP audience
Please let them keep doing what they're doing so they can fucking die

>>72064130
Well she certainly put herself on the spotlight already.

>>72064130
>Anon thinks Kiara had dinner with Riku Tazumi and Harry

>>72064194
>Braindead jobless third world retards really think a single woman can sue and take down a billion dollar corporation based in a foreign country without getting stalled out for years and bled dry of money
Literally nothing else you said is coherent or based in reality, Just wanted to call out this singular retarded take

>>72064241
>>72064261
Twitter isn't a real place and ultimately if she says nothing people will move on.. If she goes full 39IQ and spouts any anti doki shit on her streams she is beyond toast. There is a MAJOR difference between tweeting at somebody or being friendly with them and going to bat for them on your platform

>>72063889
Pretty funny how nijifags just can't catch a single w

Did you really think she's not gonna win in the long run? Think again.

>>72064559
>tweeting at somebody
She had dinner with Enna, Millie and Reimu.

>>72064559
Thing is she said in a membership stream recently that she met with some NijiEN girls she hasn't actually interacted with in person. I know that she knows Nina/Matara, Elira, Pomu and Rosemi from having seen them in person.

>>72064635
She is already dead
Her channel is dead
Her income is dead
Her reputation is dead
All she will ever be known or remembered for is deliberately trying to cause a panic attack in somebody who she drove to attempt suicide twice
The sooner she and her goons neck themselves and the sooner the company is shut down the better

>>72064662
did you miss the rest of what i said?. There is a MASSIVE difference between eating out and being friends with people off stream. And going to bat for their side of the drama ON stream. Which is what some NDF retards were suggesting

>>72064635
Honestly? I expect her to end up being innocent in the end. This is probably why Kiara had dinner with her friends (where maybe she too attended, but not even Kiara is deaf enough to say it). There is 0% chance the most newsworthy event didn't come up at some point when she was hanging out with Pomu, getting the full story from the fairy.
Would also line up with every single hit job Niji trying to do blowing up in their face.

>>72037689
Clique and Dokibird aside. Enna just doesn’t seem like a good person and millie is a pushover idiot. Disappointing on a human aspect that Kiara chooses to associate with them.

>>72062954
>Doki never mentioned names
Which is why they fucked up pretty much saying out loud they did do something in this whole mess when they made that black screen video. Did you forget that they said they read all the documents Doki sent to the company lawyers?

>>72064130
Does she even know anything about it?
Last I checked, she was doing a social media "detox" when it happened, and probably doesn't know all the details everyone here does.

>>72064635
>>72064728
Memories broken
The truth goes unspoken
I’ve even forgotten my name

I don’t know the season
Or what is the reason
I’m standing here holding my blade

>>72064431
Take down? No.
Get monetary appeasement for breach of contract? Yes.

Also Canada again has some incredibly strong laws on worker rights. And again she immediately went from a roaring lion on stream and in her tweets to a mewing kitten. She lost her backbone and dropped any and all pretenses of the information being sent being under any sort of privacy agreement or NDA. And I say this as a fan I might add.

>>72062231
I literally said I don't support Nijisanji you illiterate retard. I'm not here to shit on Doki or any of that shit, I'm actively a fan of her, and I'm happy she's doing well as an indie.

I'm saying that claims that the clique is complicit in a suicide attempt, cause that implies they were encouraging it, retard. We don't have the full picture of things because Doki doesn't want to go into it, and I respect that. I certainly don't go around talking about the reasons behind my own past suicide attempts with strangers. It's between Doki, her family, her lawyer, and her doctors, along with the parties involved. Everything we've heard is vague or just hearsay.

Tell me: why the fuck would Doki not sue the individuals who are supposedly complicit in a suicide attempt? Yeah, lawsuits are stressful, but she'd likely have a pretty open and shut case there, and Nijisanji wouldn't back any of the Livers in court, because it says in the contract they wouldn't in the event between Livers and other parties. If anyone, like Enna/Millie were actually complicit, they'd be hung out to dry, and probably get fired over it. If they really pushed Doki directly, then Doki would have the ammo to take them to court and publicly execute their careers.

I want to reiterate: I'm NOT on the side of Enna, Millie, or Nijisanji as a whole. I'm on Doki's side at the end of the day. I'm just not willing to dickride super speculative shit like the extent of involvement of Enna/Millie/Elira/etc in a suicide attempt based on nothing but hearsay, because that's too schizopilled for me.

But sure, be a fucking brainless faggot and assume I'm anti-Doki or whatever. Go kick rocks, retard.

>>72062319
See the above shit, cause I don't want to repeat myself for another brainless anon who just assumes shit without trying to be objective about the info we actually have.

>>72065304
Correction:
>I'm saying that claims that the clique is complicit in a suicide attempt, cause that implies they were encouraging it, retard.
I meant "I'm saying that the claims themselves are retarded." That's on me for being retarded and not proofreading.

>>72037689
besides pomo and kiara being friends
why are they on the clique side again?
this shit make zero sense

>>72037689
Kiara doesn't collab with homos so move her away from that filth.

>>72039721
Quite funny that the runt of myth is more popular than organs en and phase grifters combined

>>72065179
Nta but it's not difficult to fake a screenshot like this. Unless you can take a picture of your screen showing your membership, with a written timestamp, this kind of "proof" is worthless.

>>72037689
What did I miss? Why are these nijiniggers lumping Kiara with these 3view subhumans

>>72066400
She lumped herself with them

>>72064989
Thoroughly I might add

>>72066400
Unfortunately it looks like Kiara wanted to mingle with these "people"

>>72046380
She's not a numberfag. She's aware of her shitty numbers but doesn't want to changer her content to make that number bigger.

>>72066400
Kiara had a dinner with Millie, Enna and Reimu.

>>72050857
Reminder that Mumei was a part of Youtuber drama in her past and was literally the only woman in there who said "we should wait for actual evidence of a crime before character assassinating this person". Honestly huge respect.

>>72066737
proof?

>>72066501
>>72066615
What did she do exactly?

>>72066842
Her recent member stream and her twitter replies.

>>72066842
Membership stream. I believe the clip was shared in a previous thread.

>>72066933
tweeted that she supported enna, retarded idea since there's no way kiara doesn't understand what's going on right now

what the fuck did she decide to support someone when it gains her nothing

>>72067113
>tweeted that she supported enna
???

>>72066842
>>72066933
https://twitter.com/takanashikiara/status/1771184304669733260?t=U5A9maDYxBq0zffnGQ9k7A&s=19

>>72066842
retarded nigger

>>72066842
For Enna (and Millie confirmed) >>72029799
And just recently for Reimu >>72064405
Also, good morning anon.

>>72066994
>>72067042
>>72067205
>>72067222
I see thanks
>>72067215
fuck off

>>72059814
>I doubt she'd have half the friends she does have in Hololive
You got me intrigued, anon. List all of her friends in Hololive that aren't her acquaintances she randomly meets to pass time when she's in Japan. Calliope? Nerissa? Who else?

>>72067947
Reine, Subaru, Kanata, Gura, Ina, Ame, Koyori, every single ID, etc. And I now I'm forgetting some. The "Kiara has no friends and everybody in hololive hates her!" is pure sister cope. You can hate her all you want but you will never rewrite reality with the fanfictions in your mind.

>>72054272
Anon pomu is a huge bully herself. It's very easy to find her history of bullying other people, just look up archives on /jp/ and /cgl/. She very obviously was part of the bullying clique, why do you think she was hanging so much with Elira, Millie, Enna, Reimu, Luca etc?

>>72052550
what was the piece of paper? I forgot about it

>>72067113
>>72067205
Why is Kiara so fucking retarded.
At least now I won't feel bad when she graduates

>>72037689
>war between abused members
>failed to mention the real deal
Yeah, I guess the management was pure and innocent and never known anything happened to NijisanjiEN and it's the "clique" writing the contracts, not some manager dude that is clearly from a rival company. Yeah.

>>72070178
A piece of paper in Doki's charity auction that started at $1 as a joke sold for over $4,000 which was more than Enna's birthday stream made (or return stream, I can't remember)

>>72070178

>>72067947
I am acting under the presumption that she is friends with the other members of HoloEN, at bare minimum. "Friends" doesn't mean they have to interact all the damn time or anything like that. It's not that deep. But >>72069310
already gave you something of a list, so I don't really need to.

>>72069957
>shit from 12 years ago, when she was a stupid teenager
If it was still true to this day, how come no vtuber has accused her of being one?

>>72069957
I'd have to agree with this anon. There was some sheisty stuff pomu did to win trips to Japan.

>>72061389
>No one mentioned legal action ever,
>Ignores the fact Nijisanji states that she threatened other talents with legal action too
>Proceeds to invent an imaginary HR complaint no one talked about
>Says Doki dindu nuffin
>Ignores her pining a suicide on the company

Yup, typical DokiDrone flowchart

>>72070743
Because look at what happened to Doki and Sayu. They know they would have their life ruined if they tried to speak up against the hanamori bully clique.

>>72071679
Her being really good friends with that whore Matara is speaking for itself

>>72070687
>>72070708
ohh thaaat, yeah, i remember now, thanks

>>72069957
Pomudachi's really give her a pass on everything just because she puts on this frail sad girl act nowadays.

>>72071679
They're not in Niji anymore, the "Hanamori Bully Clique" can't do anything to them now. And Pomu isn't in Niji anymore, so the company won't protect her. If she was a bully, they would have said something. Instead, Sayu said Pomu was a good one, and Selen showed a Pomudachi on stream.

>>72038137
>War has changed.
War never changes.

>>72071898
>she puts on this frail sad girl act nowadays.
No?? She's been tweeting about how much fun she's having in Japan.

>>72067205
graduate kiarasanji

>>72037689
Can we trade Kiara for Rosemi?

>>72071679
Prove they're bullies. No circumstantial horseshit like being mentioned in the document. Actual proof Selen accused them of bullying her and proof they did bully her at all

>>72066695
lol lmao more like she can't

>>72069957
>>72070754
>>72071679
>>72071834
>>72071898
Go back nijitroon
>>>/vt/nijien

>Kiara absolves Elira, Enna and Millie of any wrongdoings
>Kiara gives ammunition to dramafags and sisters
>Kiara will boost the NijiEN Singapore concert
>Kiara will boost the Ethyria 3D
Owari da idiot Tenchou

>>72071957
Even if Pomu was still in Nijisanji, ain't it in the contract leaks that Nijisanji won't act as a mediator or defend their talent in disputes between other talents and online personalities unless it implicates the company in something?

>>72062771
Rpr said that he never followed them in the first place. And laughed that he was being stalked by idiots from 4chan

>>72072294
don't forget
>Pomu also gets dragged back in

>>72061603
There's no evidence that they ever requested her to do anything while she was in the hospital and I'm still waiting on any evidence proving it. Considering the termination notice says it all happened in one day, it did until Doki says otherwise. There are no headcanon, just keeping up with the story while ignoring retarded rrats

>>72072874
>>72061603
Are we forgetting that niji took over her accounts and ghost walked her tweets up until doki posted on her own account? Didn't read the thread but I feel like you guys are forgetting the hospitalized tweets weren't her.

>>72073009
Prove they weren't her considering both Selen and Elira said Selen told them about her condition herself so she clearly still had access to her phone when she was in the ER. Selen never said she didn't write that and Nijisanji would have no reason to mention it in the first place if the ongoing rrat is that they were trying to cover it up

How quickly has the NDF come back with masks of feigned civility to revise history in regards to the entire Selen termination. Pretending to be "reasonable" Dragoons and KFP.
It almost seems like a timed, concerted effort. As if from a Discord.
How curious.

>>72064728
I will never die
And Elira will never be forgotten
I will take her side
Even after she is gone
The sun is bright
Just like my hope in the light
One day it will shine
And we will survive
Despites all darkness surrounding.

>>72073235
Anon, quit drinking the Kool-Aid, the rrat poison is making you a retarded schizo

>>72037689
Glad that troons are losing so hard. There's no history where troons were right.

ALL OUT WAR

Didn't Kiara and Kson had an argument about allowing trans people in bathrooms, Kiara being the pro-trans?

>>72037689
What is Finana’s role in all this?

>>72074261
No?

>>72073144
NTA but in the termination document, they said they removed access on the 26th.
Selen is also not suppose to have access to her phone, so it wasn't even possible in the first place.

>>72074418
Being Finana.

>>72074418
unit of ccv measurement

>>72066114
Sadly she's being compared to her genmates anon

>>72074510
>NTA but in the termination document, they said they removed access on the 26th.
They did not. The 26th was when Selen uploaded the video, not when they removed access.

>>72074510
If Selen didn't have access to her phone, how could anyone in Niji have known about her being in the hospital at all? If she was suspended at this point, why wouldn't Nijisanji allow her to update her audience on her condition? They clearly allowed Zaion to say things in her account even though she was supposed to be suspended

>>72076193
They'd know by contacting the Emergency Contact, obviously? That's kind of what they are for.