/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>72024187
Actually its 3 graduations (soon 4) and 2 terminations get your facts straight

>>72024187
I will not watch the Jewish idol group, or any openly Jewish content creators

>>72024187
>>72024251
Actual retards

idol only had one termination in a year, the 3 graduations happened last year

>>72024368
>idol only had one termination in a year
Who will tell him?

>>72024251
>2 terminations
You're counting the manager getting fired as a termination?

>>72024368
For a small corpo that's still really bad

>>72024409
I will.
>>72024368
Pochi just got terminated. Posted on her PL that idol is a black corpo and that they drove her to attempt suicide

>>72024446
not really considering 3 of them from hebrew branch that never had numbers

>>72024471
Sounds like riding the coattails of Selen to get pity points if you ask me.

>>72024471
The only Pochi I know is the big titty mommy

>>72024579
>they dont count if they had low numbers
Not even Nijisanji is this fucking brutal about shittalking their graduated members holy shit
What is wrong with you people?

>>72024596
Nah, unlike Selen she gave her contract to Legal Mindset.

>>72024471
Link?

>>72024471
>Attempt suicide
Yeah, she attempted and succeeded at career suicide kek no one will want to hire her fickle ass

>>72024657
See
>>71993211

>>72024471
>NOOOO THEY ARE TRYING TO MAKE ME ACT LIKE AN ADULT NOOOOO
Pochi needs a punch in the face

>>72024471
Pochi isn't terminated, she quit. To quote Pochi herself:
>[IdolCorp] has not provided an [hiatus] notice despite my request to do so a long while ago.
>I have been feeling very unwell because of this situation, and have made this known to [IdolCorp]. It has affected me mentally and physically, where I have needed to see a doctor. Most days I feel very depressed and brain fogged, completely out of it, and I struggle to do anything, including [streaming]. I have felt lonely and isolated, worsening my anxieties. I am very exhausted. I tried my best.
>I have respectfully asked [IdolCorp] to respect my privacy and discontinue any further attempts to contact me. Despite holding evidence, I've chosen not to disclose further details out of consideration for the other [streamers[ and [Idolcorp] Staff. I believe it prudent for all parties to move forward and disengage from this matter. Continued engagement serves no purpose and will only perpetuate harm and validate my experiences.
QRD is here >>72024082

man so many chuubas are trying to become the next Selen now lmao

>>72024471
>and that they drove her to attempt suicide
seriously?
at this rate every female chuuba is going to come out and say they were driven to suicide
even though none of them fucking do it
jesus fucking christ i shouldn't be surprised streamers are attention whores but come on

>>72024471
If it works to Selen, she can do it too! Why won't you guys believed to her?

>>72024645
You're mixing up so many rrats here lmao and shows how much people care about pochi that you can just make up shit about her and people will believe it

>>72024579
Hope the other 2views get terminated as well then, they don't count right?

Phase won.

>>72024873

>>72024873
But Vtubing lost

>>72024926
Was there ever a explanation why Fishman stole her IP?

>>72024471
>Well if it worked for Selen, I'll give it a shot

>>72024988
Chinese

>>72024988
What I heard is that she needed money short term, so Fishman offered to buy it.
When she left, Fishman offered her to buy it back but she didn't have the money.

>>72024988
Lumi probably partially owns Yuri's IP as a part of their contract.

>>72024471
>Pochi just got terminated. Posted on her PL that idol is a black corpo and that they drove her to attempt suicide
Pochi moment.

>>72024789
I don't think these girls understand that Selen had to grit her teeth in the face of the clique bullying for 2 years and that's why her rrat has so much evidence and weight behind it.

>>72024739
I never saw Idol as being particularly dishonest. It's just that the girls they hired were literal prostitutes and shit and they are trying to hold them to the standard of normal human beings.

>>72024739
Donothons; not even once.
They're basically just an advance on all the money a small corpo tuber would earn throughout their career.

>>72025480
>idol did nothing wrong
>forced the girls to whore themselves and do donothons
kys

>>72025480
Anon if you think their PR Department didn't write the script of Yuko's return stream I've got news for you.

>>72024988
She literally ran away with donothon money, stealing from the fans. Didn't they have to refund it out of Pippa's pocket or something?
In that case, taking her model is the least they can do. They should file charges

>>72025688
>their PR Department
that's one way to say it i guess

>>72025776
fans donated to HER during that donothon, NOT the company
she ran away with HER money

>>72024187
YFW your every competitor fucking dies.

>>72024187
Shit company

>>72026048
Why are phasefags like this?

>>72026048
So this is how Hololive feels, feels good to be the most successful small corpo

>bait thread number like 10 or 11 at this point today

Between the hyper exploitation of talents, including sexual exploitation, and the mass boycotts of Israeli companies I don't see idol being around in 3 months. Unless mossad pumps more US tax money into them with "art" grants.

>>72026048
Will the phase girls betray me?

>>72026736
Jewkek can't take fun posting when they invaded every thread shilling Idol like it's the second coming of Christ

>>72024187
At best makes both very bad, except for one thing...

>>72024471
Company is actually pulling all the stops and trying to fix the problems, already put their pockets forward and changed the rules, and they have the Papers against Pochi because she scammed her own fanbase.
This is what happens when the talent is the grifter. The fact it's going the complete opposite way for Nijisanji speaks volumes on who's in the wrong and should take the lifesaver and apologize to get neutral.

>>72026812
> like it's the second coming of Christ
This is offensive to my people.

>>72024187
>Thats worse than NijiEN what the fuck?
Thats worse than NijiEN so far

>>72025688
if that's true then they should fire all of them for gross incompetence

>>72027075
But anon,
According to their Discord they had just hired a new PR Worker. You can't just hire someone to fire them, surely

>catch one of your streamers sleeping with their manager
>fire both of them instantly
>instead of being seen as a sign of competence, people rrat that the entire company is in on it

I wonder what gymnastics will occur to make Idol look bad for telling Pochi to actually deliver on her donothon rewards

>>72027294
easiest time to fire someone if they have some kind of probationary period

>>72026812
They still are, check /jidf/
>we never cared about pochi
>actually she was hated
>all hail Yuko

>>72027307
Anon that HEAD MANAGER guy was close friends with the CEO. He is basically the co-founder
You are fucking stupid if you think he didn't know what was happening. Also he is not denying that he forced them to whore themselves in donothons

>>71993888
>They should've fired her for ruining her model
Based

free palestine

>>72024187
all the HE girls dont even count, it was barely a corpo at that point. they weren't even streamers, just random chicks they pulled off the street. It's really just been the Riro yab and now Pochi the psychopath. Not bad all things considered, I think they're doing just fine. Even hololive has had more than that.

>>72026372
Everyone hates Phase so it breeds hostility

>>72028043
I don't think Pochi's a psycopath, just very immature and entitled

>>72024645
That was a girl from V&U. Try to keep up, catalognigger.

>>72028149
that might be true, she has just been giving off such schizo vibes for awhile, its so weird. She seemed like a very sweet girl at first, I dont know where its coming from

>>72026737
>the mass boycotts of Israeli companies
That bit is completely irrelevant. People have been boycotting Israeli companies and companies that do business in Israel for about 40 years now, it's achieved absolutely nothing.
I think a talent trying to run off with donathon money without providing any of the rewards (something she did in her PL too) and another talent nuking her own fanbase will have a negative effect though.

>>72024187
Every day I'm happier I chose to oshi the non-lolis in this agency

>>72026948
I would not call that scamming don't distort her actions

>>72024988
Fishman is a piece of shit greedy chink

>>72028561
She promises x for exhange of money
Doesn't deliver
How is that not scamming?

>>72028495
Korean woman good.

>>72024471
My guess is that you’re a Phase fan or a NijiEn fan that doesn’t know the full context but wants to make her company look better. Pochi is a menhera known to be flaky, and she just ran a second donothon without fulfilling most of her goals. She also planned on graduating regardless of the donothon, and this is despite pushing for a redesign and having idol prioritize her over the ex idolHE talents that have been waiting for a while. On top of that, she just moved to another country without having the money required to start a new life, or even another job. That should already be a red flag and clue you in on her mental state.
Granted, Idol is far from clean. They deserve to be raked over the coals for how bad they are with shipping merch, and that manager’s relationship with Riro certainly raises eyebrows. But not giving 40k to someone that looked like they were about to take the money and run is a good decision. This isn’t a repeat of what happened with Zaion or Dokibird, it just seems to be a menhera that wanted to imitate what they did for sympathy. It’s doubtful her statement was even written by a lawyer.

can someone give me a qrd why idol is imploding? last i knew they have the budget of the jewish government

>>72028631
How much are they paying you?

>>72024988
Something to do with the new model I assume, she openly bitched about not liking the cyberlive character so it's hard to say if they even owned that IP or just the Fuura version unless someone leaks the contract. Entirely possible she didn't lose the IP and just changed characters to inflame drama on the way out too

>>72028631
You are clearly simplifying this to create a strawman, the truth is that this only a big deal because you feel hurt about her leaving, and that is ok, but there is no need to tantrum about it

>>72028495
I blocked Juna's channel after a homo collab. Wonder if I was too hasty. Does she still say 'Bitch' after every three words?

>>72028882
she still collabs with him btw

>>72028812
Mostly the girls, Riro was too horny, Pochi too entitled and inmature, Yuko is inmature too and she makes bad decisions.

>>72028869
Okay anon, explain how that summary is somehow wrong/disingenuous.

>>72028915
Thanks, I'll stick with Roca then.

>>72028869
No it’s pretty accurate. She wanted to leave the company even before the donothon. She admits that she could have done some of her goals during this timeframe, but chose not to, because the company DARED to hold her to the simple expectation of doing her job first to prove she’s not going to run with the money.

>>72027307
You know what's a sign of competence? Not having a head manager who fucks the talents.
All hires reflect on those who hired them to some extent.

>>72029075
>>72028869(me)
Oh that is what is going on, I just wanted a good summary so never mind that comment, it was just bait

>>72024187
Idolbros, her last stream...a dark omen...

>>72028043
>All the HE girls dont count
>they just recently re-debuted them under the EN name
What does he mean by this?

>>72029205
That retard is in EVERY small corpos vtubers stream saying that at the start. It has to be a bot

>>72024187
idolshit sucks
Always has, always will

>>72028933
Mossad poster stop your lies.
Atleast one manager was using his position of power to gain sexual favors from one of the girls. This girl then implies she would be willing to do the same with others for a price. It's obvious to see the manager was pimping her out.
>>72028812
They get money directly from the Israeli government in the form of art grants. That money is more than super chats. Israel has been doing this for a long time with films and other media to gain international support while they commit human rights atrocities.

>>72029613
never knew blowing up brown people would get me so much money

>>72024739
>Brain fog
Long covid confirmed. She's going to be cooked for the next 1-3 years, assuming she doesn't get it again in that time frime.

>>72025312
Also how many times was selen publically made a fool of by her company? How many events did they cancel/block? Even as an extremely casual fan that only occasionally watched her it was all public enough to know the company has repeatedly screwed her over even if we didn't know the details.

>>72028561
She solicided donations in exchange for "rewards" if the donations met specified goals.
The donothon met the goals, therefore she is morally, maybe not legally, to deliver on those goals to the best of her ability. If she fails to deliver, there is a line between making best effort but failing, and making zero effort while not considering returning any money.
No, the donors can't sue or force her to give any money back but it sure as hell is going to damage her reputation with her own fanbase. It's already well established that she did this once before, which is very suggestive of a pattern.

A pattern of what? Scamming and grifting. Begging for money and promising things and skipping out on her responsibilities once the money is in her pocket. It might be unintentional like when a naïve artist takes on more commissions than they can deliver and doesn't try to refund money, but the end result is still a scam.

Employing mentally ill women is all fun and games until their disorders drive them to renege on the unspoken agreement between content creator and financial supporter.

>>72029746
Blowing up brown people is big money, look Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Elbrite, etc etc blowing up brown people has made people into billionaires.

>>72027849
to be fair to him i think i’d give in and let my cock out too if that whore kept making advances at me
i think it was a case of a straight man corrupted by a weapons-grade harlot

>>72030242
>i think it was a case of a straight man corrupted by a weapons-grade harlot
1 time I could believe that but not 4 times
In the same company
Face it, management ran trains on the girls in idol corp. You are in denial

>>72030326
yes, i am in denial that it could be me one day
god imagine working for a company that hires lascivious whores who keep eyeing your pants and “accidentally” sending you flirty messages

I ditched idol when rin went on that negative IQ tirade about "rules"

>>72030536
I can't tell if this is cope or cuck.

>>72030242
Millionaire Israeli tech bros are the straight men here?

>>72030621
You tell us
>>43150734
>>47352754
>>47970761
>>24954977
>>24970235
Everyone in /jidf/ is a proud cuck

>>72026372
years of idoltards pulling a niji and pandering to twitter, Rin fans numberfagging for months and just last month spending their time trying to spread the rrat about Jelly leaving to join their shitty corpo, and that's far from all the gay shit they do

>>72030898

>>72030536
This is the great farce the west has placed over it's working class's eyes: "one day you may rich and exploitive like I am".
You will never be there. The likelihood of you entering the owner class is slim and gets slimming with the sharpening contradictions that creep up every second.
These exploitative conditions contribute to your life being worse off as these men collect money and women through exploitation while leaving us poor and sexually frustrated.

>>72031053
I'm a cuck because of late stage capitalism!?

Why would anyone trust a donathon. The government covers chemo drugs I don't know what the fuck would compel me to think a marathon give me money fund wasn't a scam.

>>72030604
Rin's special, and not just in a cute "please be patient, I have autism" way. She's extremely anal about any suggestive themes, to the point where in collabs other girls openly hold back to not make her uncomfortable. I'm pretty sure that was one of the reasons collabs didn't happen more frequently.

>>72024791
you niji sisters STILL cant at least try to hide your ESL?

>>72031087
Welcome to reality

>>72027307
you're missing the part where it's not just that head manager fucking a talent, so aviel AND him doing it means your whole head management is going from the standpoint of that being okay to do and hiring on that basis, means the whole structure is fucked, especially when you have GFE talents and lean heavily on coombaiting outside of your head talent putting her foot down about it and nuking her ccv to stop it

>>72024446
it's a bit of a different situation, only 1 member of HE had streaming experience beforehand and their initial contracts were for only 6 months
>Emi decided very quickly that streaming wasn't for her because of her anxiety. it was also going to interfere with upcoming enrollment in university
>Neo had an actual job and was being transferred to a different country for work. Fuyo dropped hints at meeting her several months after her graduation so she left on good terms at least
>Lily flat out disappeared. Everyone expected she'd reincarnate somewhere but nope.

>>72031087
There's correlations to sexual relationships and the material conditions of those living in them.
Engles "The Origin of Family, Private Property and The State" he goes into this.

>>72028882
She still, albeit very rarely, collabs with males, still swears like a sailor, and still doesn't do one bit of GFE content, excluding her valentines voice pack, if you count that.

>>72024187
But quite normal for small corpos.

>>72031314
Tomer tried to groom them and they ran.

>>72031187
how did they manage to hire a bunch of grifters

Is Yuko one of them?

>>72024709
Isn't this the girl that throws out bunch of passive aggressive tweets to her followers when she came back from a break

>>72031625
It's almost like the company was ran by grifters

[suicide attempt] is not a Free Get Out of Jail Card

>>72024446
That’s normal for a small corpo. Small corpos tend to have way more graduations compared to big corpos, since most of the time the corpo won’t be able to make enough profit to give adequate support to justify the cut they take from supas/memberships. Just look at corporations like Kawaii, Prism, Cyberlive (lol), tsunderia, vreverie, myholotv, bond EN.

>>72027849
>Also he is not denying that he forced them to whore themselves in donothons
I keep seeing people mentioning this, but never with proof or even context. Care to provide some?

no more money for you

>>72031625
I don't think that's grifting. Rin's popular, but she doesn't mesh with the others, at all.

>>72032446
Read the fucking doc retard

>>72031187
Yeah, she's doing everything she can to not land in a "Filthy Frank overshadowing Joji" situation she mentioned like 2 PLs ago, and that includes setting what may seem like hard lines with her chat and other members. Her fear of being seen in any sort of sexual/dirty light is absolutely one of the reasons more collabs with don't happen.

>>72032875
Link it then. It's not in this one https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiE8_QZmp6ii2geBScF5Esm1TKyocRsodS34fUsdFuw/edit

>>72031187
Rin is literally female flayon, except she manages to be less functional than him.

>Despite all its yabs Nijisanji remains strong as ever
Long time ago, before the great ape uprising and the vtubing equivalent of 9/11 happened, someone said that all these anti threads was Idol corp and phase, considering we know that BVTM runs constant damage control for Phase and attacking competition is exactly what a jewish run corp would do, I'm starting to think it was true.
They see Holo as impossible to topple to big, but niji, we can bring that down, guess it didnt work out to well eh?
>Fuck up endlessly
>Still win
Tazumi san I kneel.

>>72024471
>drove her to attempt suicide
I that the new meta for getting terminated?
but also
>joos being joos
niji me surprised

>>72024187
What even happened to their original gen?

>>72034204
killed off and merged with the 2nd gen

>>72024187
rin tranny penrose is still there. I blame her for everything wrong with idol

>>72024187
Is my wife Coni going to be OK?

>>72027307
>your head-manager is fucking a talent
>b-but once everybody outside the corpo found out they kinda did something about it
Are you honestly trying to turn this somehow into a win for them? Are you okay?

>>72028149
Yeah, a better wrangler would have wrangled her.

>>72027307
>paypigs donated 40k to *Pochi*
>idol terminates her and don't refund money nor give it to Pochi
There's no way in hell jews are going to give up 40k - not with 2 redebuts and ~12 more upcoming talents.

>>72024187
Phase won

>>72039756
companies taking money from donothons should be illegal

>>72024252
So you'll watch a deeply closeted Jewish content creator?

>>72039756
They offered refunds for Riro, and she'd already taken the money.

>>72024471
See:
>>72021251
>>72021516
She's a S-class grifter.

>>72045257
Nice try but that has 0 value after you get called out

>>72045504
That only works if you provide actual facts to counter the claims. And we have evidence from past behaviour.
She is not going to change.

>>72045599
>go to a restaurant
>order a steak
>chef takes a shit on it
>publicly call him out
>chef says "I wont do it again. promise ;^)"
Who would ever take your word for it
Besides he isnt denying shit, if anything he is hard confirming that everything is true

>>72024187
I guess Riro actually got out at the perfect time lmao.

see hollywood and music industry. jews have always practiced rape and pedophilia. not surprising jewcorp does the same

>>72024187
Now was pic related just really unfortunate timing or what?

>>72024471
Is the vtuber suicide success rate currently at 0%?

>>72049684
Hard to tell, as we've had several just vanish off the face of the Earth and it seems many corpos reserve the right to skinwalk twitter accounts.

>>72024471
>>72024657
>Pochi just got terminated. Posted on her PL that idol is a black corpo and that they drove her to attempt suicide
I don't see anything about a suicide attempt here - or even a termination. Sounds like she wants to quit, but they want her to fulfill some easy donothon goals that she's refusing to do cuz she wants more money.

>>72050450
just like selen wasnt terminated and yet nijisanji was hiding that they terminated her while selling her voice pack
shes gone

>>72024471
women are fucking pathetic. imagine announcing your suicide attempt to the world. absolutely no shame or dignity in these creatures unless men force them through shaming.

>>72045784
she didn't get out, she was terminated. getting out implies agency.

>>72029613
>Atleast one manager was using his position of power to gain sexual favors from one of the girls.
prove it
oh wait you can't
riro was just a whore accept it faggot

>>72050747
Women will almost NEVER contemplate suicide seriously. It's always a tactic to get attention and sympathy for them.

Who is Riro's roommate again?

>>72025312
Apparently she was bullied by the clique for two years so hard, she was in a subgroup with both Enna and Vox and immediately told the clique about her health condition that was apparently caused by them

>>72051065
Don't let the dramabird fans hear you.

>>72050957
Is that so? >>72030898

>>72025638
Wasn't the second donathon pochi's idea?

>>72050727
She's trying to leave but they won't let her...

She'll be gone sooner or later, but this isn't a stealth suspension while trying to cover up a suicide situation like it was with Selen, as >>72024471 is suggesting. There may eventually be a termination, but there's no suicide involved at all.

>>72030898
1... 2... 3.... 5 separate posts, deleted. Some mod must be a serious Idol fag.

I was willing to give the company the benefit of the doubt with this Pochi situation, and never really blamed them for dropping Riro (save the way that they did it), but now I'm going to have to look at them with a LOT more suspicion.

>>72031053
>>72031345
Unreal. Unironic "Read Engels" posts on this board dedicated to vtubers. Please do not take this man's advice, you'll end up getting even less pussy and if you do even breath towards a woman in leftists circles you'll be outed as a sex pest and ostracized.

>>72050450
>but they want her to fulfill some easy donothon goals
I feel like that's mostly an excuse from them. Most of the things missing are merch related goods that Idol has to make.

>>72051794
now go look at the dates on all of thoses posts dummy

>>72034204
3 left when their contracts were up. 2 just got new models and redebuted this week.

>>72052318
at the expense of all their vods *sniff*

>>72052047
So it's management that is preventing her from finishing her donothon goals? They let her take all the breaks she wants, let her do the donothon she wants but when it's time for her to work they say no? How does that make sense?

>>72024252
Ogey faggot. Back to your containment board

>pochi's google doc deleted
yeah, she's cooked.

>>72024187
Jesus how desperate are sisters to latch onto, and blatantly exaggerate, literally anything to avoid their own pile of shit?

>>72031345
>read the bastard who even Marxists say made Marxism a laughing stock
Imagine being this much of a Commcuck

>>72052047
Her current goals:
ttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nCac7-qvQsV2Pfpq2uvtVtO38TpxTYt7RfH2W5Jllfs/edit#gid=1066681725
She could do most of these goals without spending anything, even if there are a lot of them. There's one or two in there that are expensive, including the "2D mascot" and "original song" though.

>>72024187
First vnu and now this, why is it so hard for small corpos to let talents that want to leave just leave?

>>72053780
I'm not a donor, but I see nothing worth completing in these if they're in bad terms already.
Releasing art, assets, voice packs and merch just to spice graduation would be too much grift.

>>72030898
>making me pull up warosu
So I take it you mean to say that there's still a lot of hanky-panky going on in the company even after Riro's termination?

>>72051192
There's no doubt she was serious, she tried twice. The issue is the woman debuff, where about 85% of the time they're too stupid to do it right

>>72050747
>>72051065
So uh, where were you guys last month

>>72054026
why do whores think they can do donothons, raise thousands of dollars, and then run off with the money leaving the corpo to do refunds? the whores from production kawaii really made this grift popular.

>>72054026
In this case they invested a whole lot in her (including a new model), and got next to nothing in return, with how often she's been absent and how bad she's been at achieving dono goals.

>>72054545
Fair point. They should really just bite the bullet and let her go with a graceful termination now, seeing as they probably don't trust her enough to do a graceful graduation anymore.

But assuming they've learned nothing from Riro or Nijsanji, we'll more likely see a flaming termination notice slandering her so hard that she can never work in the industry again.

At that point I'll be angry with them, but for now, I've still have mixed feelings on the subject, and will give Idol a another chance.

>>72054026
Selen effect, after her now every chuba who has some grievance with their corpo will consider just leaving.

>>72044450
Maybe if she's cute and funny.

>>72028495
Same but Pomu.

The Pillars of Idol EN Poko, Coni, Roca and Juna. So long as these pillars stand Idol is safe...

Oy vey, i always knew Pochi would pull something like this, at least i still have Juna, Fuyo and all the Endless girls to have fun with

>>72054778
Playing Useful Idiot to the NDF of course. You never noticed all these chucklefucks nodding their heads to the tune of the Sisters' sonata?

>>72028495
I thought she had the first yab in idolen and was unpersoned for awhile on /jidf/

>>72055343
For the best - far too many of these corps operate like cults where people are too terrified to leave and have no sense of self worth remaining.

On the other hand, these companies do invest a lot of cash in you up front, and if you've not been with them very long, they should at least be able to recoup a few thousand from you for the cost of the model they can't use anymore...

...not fucking $450K though.

>>72024187
This corpo is lucky gen 2 worked out
If it had flopped or one of them left/got terminated it would be so fucking over

so Yuko and Pochi are basically being held by Idol against their wills.

>>72055515
I don't care what you Culture War fucks say, I love my she-prince and she is the crown jewel of Idol.

>>72055885
Yuko seems happy to stay, just with a much lower CCV as a result of betraying her fanbase. I'm kind of surprised they let her delete her paid membership streams like that though. Might have been something she insisted on.

>>72055515
if those are your pillars, no wonder Idol's house is crumbling.

>>72024596
but lets stop talking about Serafi. Pochi didnt throw her co workers under the bus and Idol has an actual history to go off of. i already thought it was fucked up what happened with riro

>>72055970
Meh, she's alright.

No idea why the algorithm loves this bitch so much though.

>>72056113
She was cooking up a flurry of YT Shorts until her PC died and that stopped her meteoric rise dead in its tracks.

>>72056047
keep telling youself that, goyim

>>72055799
>recoup a few thousand from you
Didn't someone complain about how the debut budget is a loan after some company sunk?

can you serafi fags stop treating doki and pochi situation as similar to that bitch serafi? i swear serafi fags out here begging for attention

>>72056230
numbers don't lie. They had a chance, but they are just kawaii with a viral chuuba.

>>72024709
The document link in that OP doesn't work.

>>72056284
t. black corpo bootlicker

who is serafi

>>72024187
Coni and Roca are the 2 most cursed vtubers.
Everything they touch dies.
I would be scared to death if my oshi even so much as collabed with them.

>>72026812
>when they invaded every thread shilling Idol like it's the second coming of Christ
(You) are making shit up, t. regular reader of /ppg+/, /tsunx/, /corpo/ and many more

>>72024616
Aside from that, the OP says "5 graduations in a year" and it has been more than a year since any of the HE talents left (the last one was Feb 2023).

>>72056453
okay serafi fag, tired of you grifters, you make pippa fags look tolerable with hoe much you raid other generals and threads. get over it, serafi is a grade a bitch. some people dislke riro and pochi for their own reasons, but last time i checked they didnt throw their co workers under the bus and grift like mega whores. fuck serafi, fuck her fans, and fuck the idea that this back stabbing piece of shit can even be mentioned in the same sentence as doki or riro or pochi. stop fishing for pity you grifting whore

>>72056444
Deleted.

But it says nothing about a suicide attempt or termination. Just her wanting to leave and the company not wanting to let her until she did some dono goals. It's not Selen redux at all.

>>72054026
You need to be as big as Hololive for your private contractors to tolerate larping as content creators on a leash, while owning nothing.

>>72056472
fucking retarded zoomer
kys and don't come back until you at least understand the concept of reps, better yet actually do some

>>72056950
honestly? respect for the company for making her actually do the stuff people paid for. its incredibly disrespectful to do a donothon then not deliver the goods.

>>72056883
V&U sisters? Is there such a thing? Look, you can hate Serafi and her fans all you want, but you simply cannot justify V&U trying to threaten her with a $450,000+ bill. That shit's beyond the pale.

>>72056950
Kek. Of course it doesn't. Dramafags are bad enough without making shit up, /vt/ needs a purge.

>>72057029
i dont blame him, v&u is not even big by small corpo standards, and serafi is not a very recognizable name in vtubing, plus this thread is about idol not v&u, the world doesnt revolve around a small ass who community

>>72055970
picrel
>>72057227
there are literally entire wikis dedicated to collecting basic information about vtuber personas (and company info) and they have a search funcion.

>>72056950
thats not what is happening at all

>>72027788
Funny how the things "nijisisters" were accused of are actually happening with former talents right now in threads like /jidf/, /eien/, and /vnug/.

>>72057132
ill reserve my judgement until i see something official.

>>72056258
Zaion had to pay for her own debut, as have many others...

...still, those models are damned expensive. I don't blame them for wanting some reasonable insurance for that.

Though maybe that's exactly what we need - someone to set up a vtuber insurance racket.

>>72024251
Same difference. 5 people stopped being idols.

>>72057334
Then what is happening?

>>72057132
>Is there such a thing?
Yes. /corpo/ has been overrun with them lately.

>>72057570
The CEO pissing his diaper doing his best at damage control
Meanwhile you shills are trying to disguise this as a graduation
What is wrong with you?

>>72057411
the thing with nijisisters that different is that theres too much evidence against niji. when riro situation happened people were dunking on idol for being a black company. i cant dunk on them for pochi yet until i see their side of the story even if they do have a history of black companyness, and though pochi does have a spotty history, its not on the level if riros "roleplay" so i dont think shes dunkable yet. what nijisisters do is blindly support even with multiple graduation terminations and leaks saying otherwise. even official statements.

>>72057447
LM aired the invoice. It suggests that even head managers spent 50% of their time on her, despite there being 19 other talents, and cites $20K for "etc" among other crazy things.

A few thousand might have been reasonable, if she hadn't been with the company for very long, but that's straight up terrorism via extortion.

Not that we should really be cluttering up the Idol thread with this shit further, but all these scandals are starting to blur together.

>>72057765
The CEO hasn't said shit, SFAIK. He said some stuff that contradicts her story BEFORE she posted it up though. She wants to graduate, that much is clear. She'll probably be terminated, but we'll have to see in what fashion.

>>72057866
>when riro situation happened people were dunking on idol for being a black company
Think in Riro's case folks were dumping on "that whore Riro" much harder than the company, and even then, usually just calling them stupid for hiring the lit firecracker. Though I am hearing murmurs of other sex scandals behind the scenes.

>>72031087
kek, put that shit on a t-shirt

>>72057596
i am one of the one that always gets called a sister on there for calling out serafi people for trying to draw sympathy for trying to compare very different scenarios. the Serafi, Riro, Doki, Sayu, Yuri, Kawaii gen 3, and now Pochi situations are very different. None of the girls on this list except Serafi actively sabotaged their peers, willingly. This will always put Serafi on the shit list for me. i dont hate kawaii gen 3 i just hate elia for donothon scamming, if pochi did the same ill hate her too, people hated sayu for being offensive to twitter troons so idc, Yuri was not hated to my knowledge, Riro was hated for being a fan fucker, Doki was hated for exposing niji bullies. Meanwhile Serafi out here purposely sabotaging debuts and sending her fans and best friend to raid discord 4 chan etc. dont even try to compare this bitch to pochi

>>72057948
Jesus christ.

>>72058305
huh? are we in the same universe, idols post about riro was one of the biggest ever and tons of videos and replies were criticizing idol for publicly slandering her. i think you might have been only reading idol general or something, idol company was enemy #1 on twitter and youtube

>>72058305
>Think in Riro's case folks were dumping on "that whore Riro" much harder than the company
you either weren't here for it, or are being purposefully ignorant. every dramafag on this board was trying to prop riro up as the next zaion who will take down this big evil corpo. shit was obnoxious.

>>72057948
What currency is that, warios?

>>72057948
any verification that this is an official bill and not a statement?

>>72058729
South Korean Won, translating to $450K USD, though the whole thing isn't captured in that image. I can go grab the image of the totals...

>>72058758
Reportedly it's the invoice she was sent.

The environment the vtuber sphere cultivated is quite interesting to see. Female talents are coddled and put on a pedestal so much that now they can basically do no wrong and if the corpo doesn't kowtow to their every demand they are the bad guys.
Every vtuber is horting almost everyday and needs month long breaks already. Now telling a talent to complete the things she got paid to do before she fucks off is bad? Really?
I don't want to imagine what it will look like in a few years.

>>72058940
>I can go grab the image of the totals...

>>72058758
none
seems to be made up because the lawyer guy doesn't believe its real

>>72058991
I dunno, even in the /jidf/ general it seems more people are siding against Pochi than for.

...Now that she's deleted her rant, the ball is entirely in Idol's court, so we'll see if they manage to thread the needle or fumble wildly.

>>72059185
>seems to be made up because the lawyer guy doesn't believe its real
What lawyer guy? Certainly LM and her lawyer thinks it's real.

>>72058991
in a few years itll be mostly indie because small corpos cant work unless you have very professional workers. Even with professional low yab talents you still need success to back it up, or you get something like Prism Project

>>72059214
the only reason people are agaonst pochi is because she didn't do her donothon goals yet and people are tired of people doing donothons then skimping on the rewards, several of the idol current talents already skimped on rewards. this is why kawaii monetizing in other ways besides donothons is a great innovative plan, and why i think vallure's model might be the future

>>72058413
>Meanwhile Serafi out here purposely sabotaging debuts and sending her fans and best friend to raid discord 4 chan etc.
As much as I'd like the QRD of that, there's enough V&U in this Idol thread - and it doesn't really matter if she murdered someone, nothing can justify that $450K bill. It's not as if they wouldn't have tried the same thing on any other talent that attempted to leave, and I'm not sure if they've taken enough of a PR hit not to try it again.

Sorry I only know about the IdolEN pisstuber, is she gone too?

>>72059675
again, that is bad, but doesnt change the fact serafi sabotaged an unrelated party just to get back st the company while the other girls didnt resort to that. V&U 100% could he a black company we just need more information to come out and corroborate what we know and itll be without a doubt confirmed. But i already have enough information to say for sure Serafi is not someone i would ever support. Not that it matters, 4 chan is not her target audience, she is more indie twitch crowd. shes probably glad we hate her guts.

>>72031205
Anon, there's no "hiding" ESL, the only way is to actually learn English properly. Which takes years.

>>72028882
Imagine actually thinking those are bad things
Imagine missing out on this

Pochi was never actually in Idol, she showed up to do two (TWO) donothons and literally nothing else

>>72058729
https://duckduckgo.com/q=1000+won+in+usd

>>72024471
I have no idea what Pochi did but people siding with jews over her makes me worries about how much of a fuck up it was.

>>72058619
NTA, I saw a bunch of people try but they all got slapped down pretty easily. Not to mention, False's reporting ended up including the "silly pill" leak.

>>72060687
all she did was never stream and do donothons but not dk the rewards. if your a fan, thats enough, not everyone can be a chumbud

>>72060218
nah, you can run it through an AI and ask it to fix syntax.

>>72060359
That is vile

>>72060893
Don't give them ideas... We have enough AI posts here to support Dead Internet Theory as it is.

>does a donothon and doesn't complete all the rewards
>gets a redesign, cutting ahead of her two senpai who needed them more
>moves to califonia and holds an impromptu second donothon on the same week one of her kohai were meant to have a donothon, forcing her kohai to delay hers
>barely streams before the donothon and completely disappears after it
>comes back to make a couple of tweets, fans are upset she went radio silent, and she snaps at them
>now does the google doc shit
why is she like this?

>>72061337
Same reason why Yuko and Fuyo bailed after their donothons

>>72061337
>>72061337
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>western idols
They're not idols.
They will never be idols.
Grifter whores just trying to get big bucks
Do they even have any dreams of their own other than 1M subs/ being in a convention/ singing anime/game song?

>>72061337
That's the current meta for western vtubers.

>>72061798
there are some different dogs i would consider idols BAU BAU

>>72061337
>>gets a redesign
girls that get complete redesigns 1 year after debut are usually on the brink of graduating and it is a last ditch effort.

Look at Yuri from Phase Connect.

>>72061337
At this point donothons are the best morality test for vtubers, if the girls Fail at doing rewards the chances of her being a horrible person increase by 80%

>>72062353
That redesign was offered for free by management
Yes, the same management that was diddling Riro

>>72062650
>Phase Connect girls that did donothons completed 99% of their major rewards
>...except Shiina, who refused and used management as a cop out
checks out

>>72062650
You mean, if they are doing donothons at all, they fail the morality test.

>>72024187
SAY IT WITH ME
TOTAL
PHASE
DOMINATION

>>72064275
Yuri... Jelly... Remi...

>>72064410
what happened to jelly and remi?

>>72064471
Extremely high chance of pulling a pochi

>>72064522
jelly I get was doing some non-phase stuff recently cause she wants to get into music, but what is remi even doing?

>>72024187
>niji EN sisters picking a 4th rate vtuber company for clout
their absolute state

>>72064275
sorry not watching your blacked company

>>72064410
>leaves out the girl who telegraphed she is leaving Phase Connect at the end of the year

>>72065251
>Takes sabbatical from school to focus on streaming
>"That means she hated streaming and will graduate from school when the year is over"
Least schizo niji

>>72065251
sakana won't let her leave. he will just perma hiatus her and she will get a king's return when she comes back.

he has too much company history attached to her.
we all know he said that when a girl graduates that their standard procedure is to nuke their content and pretend they never existed, but that is fucking impossible when it comes to people like lia
it's easy to delete a yuir, lumi, dizzy, runie etc but good luck deleting lia, pippa, or tenma.

>>72066541
>we all know he said that when a girl graduates that their standard procedure is to nuke their content and pretend they never existed
BTW he said this as a cope because he went scorched Earth on Yuri out of spite.
If a girl leaves Phase on good terms and all insisted content and history be left up, fish would 100% honor it.

>>72065251
She did even worse things that Pochi and nobody gives a shit about her
Theres a reason why she got kicked out of the general

>>72024187
even more, illegal blindset was bought by them, one can just wonder what kind of shit is going on behind the scenes for them to invest so much in maintaining those smoke screens.

>>72064632
jelly is allowed to do non phase stuff under her PL as per her contract, she's been doing it since debut so it's actually the norm in her case

>>72071369
phase girls are allowed to do stuff on their PLs, they just choose not to.

>>72061337
Support jew company, win jew prizes.

>>72024187
>take the small corpo pill

>>72071684
debateable, but jelly has always been active and even interacts with phase members on her PL so her activity at least is not a cause for alarm

>>72076601
it's not debatable.
Pippa streamed on her alt for the first year. Her and Lia would even buy gifts for eachother on each of their Thrones.
Lia was set to stream CWC2 on her alt but ended up canceling it, but the intent was there.
They have no reason to stream from them at this point tho.

https://twitter.com/fenriruvt/status/1770986069376532810
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XiE8_QZmp6ii2geBScF5Esm1TKyocRsodS34fUsdFuw/edit

Let’s talk about that time I worked at NotStarbucks.

NotStarbucks has not provided an Extended Break notice despite my request to do so a long while ago. This situation has caused me significant worries. I wanted to take a break from accumulated stress from the very start to the present, because of several issues that NotStarbucks has had. While I recognize some internal issues are being worked on, there has been limited acknowledgment of responsibility for past incidents. I have experienced difficulties primarily in my interactions with Mr. Man.

I was scheduled to receive my share of the second Promo Event earnings, given to me in support by Customers, in early February to help and facilitate my move to another country, including various expenses like furniture, sound proofing, better equipment – as agreed & being the sole reason for my second Promo Event, but I did not receive anything. The lack of funds has caused me financial hardship. I have been under the impression that I would be paid. I was told it was sent, or being sent at the time, and like the first Promo Event, and all the other Promo Events, I should have received the funds on my next paycheck.

I was then recently told that the funds were frozen due saying I wouldn’t do my Tasks, which is false. We were still discussing and in the middle of negotiations. There were mentions of other tasks over which I had no control over (e.g a NotStarbucks Mini Game, NotStarbucks Stuffed Mascot), and that was what I was referring to. This concerned me, because I stated multiple times I could do my Tasks. It seemed illogical, as I had learned I would not receive the funds prior to this part in our negotiations. I was told by someone else at NotStarbucks that the actual reason was because I had a Work Leave Notice active. Regardless, this shouldn’t have changed anything since there was a significant established lapse of time before my leave, and I was more than open to negotiate and compromise to do my Tasks during that time, and extend the Work Leave Notice.

Around the start of January, I had issued a Work Leave Notice because of my experiences at NotStarbucks. I want to emphasize that issuing the Work Leave Notice was not related to the Promo Event. I planned to see what was possible, what my options were, what we could agree on, finish my Tasks of the Promo Event and exit with no complications. Keep in mind, we are End of March as of writing this, and I could have worked on Tasks for the Promo Event this entire time.

There were instances of undue pressure and coercion over the past months, going back and forth, such as punitive terms in documents I was given to sign, and threats. I refused to sign anything for my own mental well-being and to protect my freedom. Other well-meaning individuals joined in the negotiation near the tail-end, but it was still unfruitful, as Mr. Man refused to budge. In the end, I knew refunds might have to be issued, despite being a last option because of my financial situation, and possibilities of resolving this. I was very recently made aware by Customers that, upon asking for refunds, messages sent by NotStarbucks to Customers indicated no refunds would be offered because I was presently working on, and on my way to finishing my Tasks (false, as we had not yet come to an agreement, while simultaneously claiming I would not do my Tasks. I hadn’t received anything either way). In the end, it is the right thing to do for Customers because we were unable to find a way for NotStarbucks to let me complete my Tasks.

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I have respectfully asked NotStarbucks to respect my privacy and discontinue any further attempts to contact me. Despite holding evidence, I've chosen not to disclose further details out of consideration for the other Baristas and NotStarbucks Staff. I believe it prudent for all parties to move forward and disengage from this matter. Continued engagement serves no purpose and will only perpetuate harm and validate my experiences.

>>72025638
Second Donothon was requested by her but she pulled this shit because Idol said
>"If you want the money from it start streaming again and do your job"
>Pochi:"WTF I AM GETTING RAPED"
All she had to do was streaming but instead tried to be a gura streaming once every 3 months and only for collecting paypig checks but Idol demanded from her to start streaming regularly and then she thought she can also try to larp as Doki

>>72024988
She legit tried to steal company money.
Even herself knew she fucked up and moved on

>>72027849
>>72027307
Just like my hollywood animes

>>72057866
Riro termination was as rightful as you can get and the manager involved got shitcanned too.
Idol perfectly handled it

>Ron fired
>Head talent manager fired
>Coni active on her PL
>Pochi trying to quit, unhappy and disappeared for months
>Yuko tried to quit, unhappy and disappeared for months
>Lili force graduated
>Neo force graduated
>Emi force graduated
it's fine bros
everything is fine.

>>72037813
Pochi still hasn't seen these money because they didn't trust her with them (and they were right lol)
All they asked for her to see money was streaming and show progress on the first donothon goals rewards

>>72078863
dont you have a war to fight Aviel? or at least a few talents to try and tard wrangle?

>>72060687
She adopted Gura streaming style.
One stream every 3 months as paypig check collection but didn't work out and her fans also turned on her

>>72078138
I ain't readin all that

>>72079324
It's just again, the companies that beat their chest "we are fair and talent first etc etc" always has the smelliest shit

seeing what a dumpster fire other small corpos like Idol, Prism, kawaii, vrev are it is a miracle Phase has had 27 talents and only 1 go rogue. how do you keep 26 women happy.

>>72081657
>happy
they were about to boycott the company, chink got a decent manager, thats all pretty much, for now at least, he still has the habit of looking for ways to control everybodys narrative which proves he is most likely full of shit too.

It's fiiiiiine

>>72082935
> i ran out of shit to anti with so just believe me bros

at least talk about slow shipping times for merch or something. put some effort into it. you can do it!

>>72085088
What are your wages?

>>72026776
Fuckin today, did you not see the news about one of the girls?

>>72024187
Don't worry Niji won't let anyone beat them, even in graduations.

>>72077071
A weak ass debate kekw

>>72024187
>5 graduations in a year
>they only had 16 chuubas in their history
>still have 12

?

>>72024251
>graduations (soon 4) and 2 terminations
QRD on this corpo? WTF is happening?!

There's no way these 6 people are just spoiled brat

>>72028772
Every single detail you've posted just sounds like every other scandal involving Jews, that I've heard before. I don't get why anyone here would watch IdolEN, the whole company is built on kike greed

>>72078863
They were certainly justified in canning them both, but no, making a sex scandal public is not "perfectly handling it", not by a long shot.

We'll see if they learned anything when they can Pochi.

>>72024678
Jew's dicks sucker lmao

>>72028772
>It’s doubtful her statement was even written by a lawyer.
Well obviously not, though if she consulted one they might have advised her to take it down. You don't get out of liability for saying "notStarkbucks" etc, if it's simple to deduce who you're actually talking about, which the general public clearly did in short order.

> tweet deleted
looks like aviel got to her and silenced her.

>>72087871
Pochi will be officially gone any day now.

why'd she even get a second model?

>>72087960
Recently 1 of their member got terminated for sleeping with a MARRIED staff who's like the vice-president or something. And he was also fired

He likely put his hand on the other girls.

Recently, Idol announced a cooperation with Brave, their current active members instantly started resuming PL activity that had been discontinued before

I think Aviel (their CEO) planned to replace the full roster except for his girlfiend (Nikki) for actual idols because he isnt happy with their current reputation (loli whore company)

>>72089209
Ask management that gave her a free model

Dokibird wanna be realized that to have that big of an impact she had to be relevant in the first place then deleted everything
My fucking sides, such a massive lolcow. Whoever had to manage her through the duration of her contract deserves a raise and vacations

>>72027075
they've already fired one that was a public entity (not the riro one) and supposedly have gone through a bunch more interns, trying to find managers that don't suck ass. which isn't really surprising considering one was revealed to be a 1view tranny that immediately tried clout chasing this pochi thing. but yeah no idol fan will argue with you, middle management (or lack thereof) has been their number 1 problem since day 1.
>>72089209
pochi officially claimed it was necessary because the artist for her first model was impossible to work with and was ghosting them or something, even though they're still active and making models. however, she was pretty open about not being happy with her first model, and they weren't even doing anything that required an urgent redesign/redebut (like new outfits or whatever) to justify her getting it over the girls who had been waiting a year for theirs, so the real reason is either your choice of manager nepotism or she already threatened to have a menhera moment if she didn't get it.

>>72085966
?

>>72057308
Yet can’t find shit that would make her trash tier. Splatoon is goated.

That said I might just be severely retarded

>>72089158
Well I know Riro was terminated. What are the other 4 graduations?

>>72090536
Three from their Hebrew branch:
https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Idol_Corp
Riro and Pochi (soon) will make five total.

>>72090637
Termination are the same as graduations? I don't get it.

>>72090536
Yuko is on her pl hinting at graduation

>>72090637
>>72090701
Also the thread said within a year. The only graduation/termination that happened in a year was Riro. Most of the hebrew girls were gone over a year ago.

>>72090689
It's the same outcome so it doesn't really matter in the end. OP is just taking a shit on Idol for releasing four (soon five) talents in the span of about a year (technically a year and four months).

>>72079324
I thought the HE girls quit on their own?

>>72090701
Proof?