/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

No, it's never ok.
If you stay with a chuuba after being humiliated like that you are less than human.

>>71960955
>>71961174
Faggots
What's not ok is her having sex with men
Professional interactions are ok

>>71960955
>She talked to a guy that wasn't me, so they're fucking
Don't worry, you'll be out of highschool soon enough

>>71963856
Highschool never ends

>>71963898
Ironically on a board obsessed with drama it doesn't. It's just /here/ anon though

Retard

>>71960955
qrd?

Koyo segs

>>71963946
Why does this board attract so many highschool girls?

>>71963691
Professional GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK GLUCK interactions PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP are ok
>>71963856
The kind of nigger that will end up a stepdad to Pookie and Rayray's bastards

>>71964661
Who?

>>71960955
>tourists figure out that the "WTF MALE ON STREAM THIS IS LITERALLY NTR" was a shitpost and only became unironic because tourists thought it was unironic

>>71964160
>highschool girls
brown people internet cafe politics

Koyori, like most women and female holo vtubers, is a whore. I'm shocked

>>71965211
Cucks seething like the faggots that they are are only giving strength to this, everything is just sisters malding as usual

>THREE koyori bait threads on the catalog
Koyori has already established her red lines--no informal/"play" collabs with male streamers. The baseball event (where she was a co-announcer) and her 24 hour stream where she interviewed the guy who designed her branded sake are special exceptions which got minimal backlash from actual joshu-kun.

>>71966317
You have to understand antis are scraping for anything right now, all they have is this and holofes food being a complete mess.

>>71965211
>tempagpagsisters falseflagging on their own doxsite

nice try but back in 2022 anons actually watched some of this fags (mostly vesper) now it's just troons and sisters.

>>71960955
>>71961174
You are not holofans. You are drama-shitting attention-starved tumblrinos looking for any reason to start trouble.

>>71964727
Please excuse him, white are literally unable to stop thinking about black men's dicks 24/7

>>71960955
nijinigger please, stop thinking about cocks for a second.

>>71966775
Ogey sister, tell your miload to stream already.

>>71966317
>Koyori has already established her red lines--no informal/"play" collabs with male streamers
1) This "red line" you're talking about was established just recently, after the SC about her participation in the TTRPG stream
2) She said she wouldn't be doing collabs with men before that red line statement in vague terms, yes the language she used would normally be inferred as 'casual' contexts, but before any of those statements Koyori spent more than a year or so deliberately and unambiguously pandering to unicorns harder than almost any other member
3) Why are you wearing horse blinders about this and refusing to even look at who Shibuya Hal is, what he is like, what his circles are, etc. It's ironic that the defense being peddled out about Hal is some straw-grasping corporate connection, but everyone mentioning it seems to know nothing ut that. It's fucking obvious that people are parroting that paper thin defense which is fucking sad because shouldn't you fucking care to know who the girl you like is associating with? Melody started Vshojo, would she be fine too? MoistCr1TiKaL runs a pro Apex team, would he be fine? Asmongold owns a streamer company, if he organized a tourney with it and invited a holo would that be okay? Hal is indisputably one of the worst influences on JP vtubing, and he does that while being known primarily and predominantly as a VTUBER who plays FPS games. Fucking hell, it's not like you even need corporate status to run tournies like he does- Selen managed it just fine and she did it with the opposite of corporate assistance. And even though Mumei was her personal friend IRL, she didn't show up, because she respected her fans. And she even fucking talked to him one on one, too. And it's getting fucking worse. Stop making excuses for shitty, deceptive behavior.
Go ahead and enjoy the girl you like ingratiating herself with the JP e-celeb crowd if you want, I'm sure a Karubi collab is just around the corner too and then the "fun" will really kick off since she's the female Hal but worse.

>>71960955
No and I will never watch her again.

>>71968545
>unicorns are nijiniggers
The whole reason Nijisanji died in the first place is because of its co-ed culture.
It's literally why Hololive took over Nijisanji JP, too. The mass off-collab offpako rumors are unironically what sunk Nijisanji and pulled tons of fans who had had enough of that cuckshit into Hololive.
And on the EN side, if they hadn't gone co-ed, Elizabeth wouldn't have been able to build her clique big enough to take over and end up being able to bully with impunity at bare minimum.
Anybody who thinks male collabs are okay is a nijinigger. Worse actually, a nijinigger who doesn't remember history. But Unicorns remember. We know your evil. Dilate.

>>71960955
As long as it’s not fleshstreamers I don’t care, fleshstreamers have nothing to do with vtubers and are the actual leeching grifters you should be worried about.

>Interacting with Holostars is the worst thing that could happen
>Being in a relationship or even married is totally fine
I get that vtubers aren't real people exactly but the dichotomy makes no sense to me.

>>71960955
It's okay because koyo is lesbian

>>71970299
one is having men in your content, the other is private life that i dont know about. how is that complicated?

>>71970366
She stopped pretending to be lesbian like a year ago anon
Please watch streams

no. basically 2 or 3 view faggots and streamer niggers like apex cunts are absolutely unacceptable. also its unacceptable that homocollabs become regular events.

otherwise i dont give a shit. its not like koyori regularly homocollabs outside big events like koushinen.

>>71969599
It feels like COVER desperately wants hololive to go fully mainstream in Japan
Note that this started after COVER became a publicly traded company

>>71970299
Not a unicorn so I don't care about any of this shit, but when I see people who care about the latter parroting incomplete or old info it just hammers in how impossible it is to fully know the truth about what goes on offstream. None of these girls stream more than a normal 40-hour work week employee. They could all easily hide stuff and you would never know. Or their status could change literally overnight because they met someone new or if maybe the opposite happened and things fell apart. And even after all that, remember that all people on dating apps are single so being single means nothing.

if you loves a chuuba so much, you wont mind how many times she has had sex before and how many boyfriends or husbands she has had before. i would still keep supporting and loving her as long as she also loves me back mutually, because my love for her is bigger than that trivial matters.

>>71971439
Any company technically wants to go mainstream, the problem isn't that it's choosing to sacrifice your original fanbase in order to do so that ends up carving out anything of worth.
The whole "Cover wants holos to collab with male streamers unironically" isn't even fucking fanfiction or some shit, people here just blindly ignore the CEO torpedoing his own nearly decade long project into the ground and stomping on the hopes and dreams of the people he used to build his current monolith. Literally just take a look at picrel, it's hardly vague or unclear.
Protect HoloEN and Jap at all costs. I don't care how vitriolic I have to be. Over here I can look at ruffians and see people literally in genuine love with their oshi. Over in nipland? Normalfags, cynics, NTR fags, and ironic shitposting. I don't care what I have to do to save the soul of Hololive. I'm not a confused retard and I won't be gaslit into losing something that brightens up my life.

Do you actually believe she is pure?

>>71972692
?????
That has nothing to do with what the thread is about. If I love a chuuba, them openly demeaning me is hurtful. Unless you have a broken notion of love, pain is a sign of something wrong. And most of the time, it isn't the fault of the person in pain.

>>71960955
The unicorn shit has always just been about shitting on chuubas that the schizos don't like pre-emptively for other reasons, it's not actually about interacting with males. Sadly their cognitive dissonance is strong enough that they'll keep shitting on "the bad ones" while their oshi does the same thing. Best to just accept it and not turn the negativity towards the talents.

>>71960955
correct. the only males that become a holostar are males that only a tranny sjw tumblrfag would watch. keep them and their disgusting audience away from my chuubas

unicorns truly are the most opressed group in the world
they have to live every day in their schizo fantasy that their oshi doesn't have a bf, while everyone ridicules and makes fun of them for trying to be happy

>>71960955
The twins are next. Their last stream they were getting wet in front of ruffians about wanting to collab with some fat Japanese comedian oji-san.

>>71972953
if you went for a vtuber to get gfe, you should not be mad when they secretly or obviously has a bf or do male collabs. women are always looking to increase her options in making money, most of the guys who watches vtubers to ease loneliness are straight up below the 3/10 threshold in terms of looks and personality. beggars like us looking for love from real women wearing an anime girl's mask cannot really complained when she cheats on us, we just have to accept it if we love her so much and how important she is to our wellbeing. you cant ever meet her irl, but knowing that she genuinely loves you back as her chuuba character should be more than enough to ease your mind.

>>71960955
Holostars are better then ecelebs unless that eceleb is seiso. The real issue with Holo's collabing with Stars is HoloPro. People want the two to be treat as 2 separate groups. The gender barrier should be much wider then the language barrier.

Nobody watches Koyori. You aren't going to generate any seethe except from falseflaggers who also don't watch her.

>>71974974
homostars cant compete with him at all. this he is not a 2view homo. he has had collabs with kizuna, tamaki, ui, fbk and all such popular vtubers.

>>71975182
Views are far from the largest factor, it's about the content of the character and how they will effect the future collabs of the Hololive member.

>>71975056
Last Samurai have already resorted to their final, desperate argument.

>>71960955
Homostar:
>Same company, same environment.
>Potential to meet frequently.
>Higher potential of being force shipped by delusional homofan.

Random Male:
>Outside walled garden.
>Once in a blue moon thing.
>Low potential of being force shipped by delusional fan.

The main issue is always whether they have chance to insert themselves into the walled garden and become everyday sight. Homos has higher chance of being able to do it than some random male thus more backlash for them than some random male.
Now of this Kaji knockoff started being frequently seen with Koyo, there will be of course be backlash. But for now he is still considered safe as he hasn't infiltrated inside the walled garden yet.

>>71975182
Retardchama, he, Tamaki, Ui, and Fubuki have all collabed with Holostars, are even good friends with some of them.

>>71975740
a few of them like roberu can barely have. dont treat 3view homostars like actual popular ones.

Can I get a quick rundown on wtf is going on? Some people seem pretty worked up. Something about Koyo wanting to collab with ecelebs and Yagoo wanting to normify Cover?

Last samurai cucks have been fucking hilarious. Trying to memoryhole the “EN WHORE BRANCH” shit they we’re talking back in 2022 and now pretending that they actually like homo collabs along with being anti-CGDCT now

>>71973922
Anon, please go talk to a therapist. I mean this genuinely. It's also an extremely incorrect generalization on its face(I am a unicorn and I literally married my high school sweetheart, for example) and I'm far from the only exception to your description. Your perception of things is warped and since that's the case, don't you think that your perception of yourself might be warped without your realizing it?
Dignity is a virtue anon, even in the meekest of the meekness. Hell, especially among the meek.

>>71963691
I love the professional interactions talking point because its malleable enough to be used as a shield or weapon in literally every scenario depending on whether you liked the chuuba beforehand or not. Depending on who it is sponsored content may or may not count, songs may or may not count, normal male celebs may or may not count, completely mundane male vtuber collabs may or may not count, etc... Apparently the Mumei collab that one time didn't count "because she spoke less than usual" so it was totally just a professional thing.

>>71960955
to be honest, the sane ones will just pull out their memberships and unsubscribe.
The not sane ones will come /here/ to discharge their sorrow, and shitposters will start larping as them to farms (you)s.

Now, there might be unicorns or CGDCT enjoyers who might agree to a male collab as long is with big relevance. Hololive is a business after all, and the logic and reasons behind this collabs are, unfortunately, known only to the Jp management.

So, let's say, why would Koyori ever make a collab that will come with some sort of cost in terms of some of her most hardcore fans upset, with someone with so little relevancy such as Holostars?
Is a matter of #

>>71975880
Koyo spent years pandering to unicorns and began doing a U-turn that now has her talking 1 on 1 with the biggest fuccboi in vtubing, Shibuya Hal, as well as just jumping into games without much notice to play against those same guys.
Yagoo is a POS who thinks girls interacting with males = good

>>71976148
>Koyori jumps without notice to play with males like NijiEN does
Holy fucking grim.

>>71975880
all these posters dont know anything about koyori in the first place. shes had many collabs with nijis and such non holo vtubers on her channel since last year or so and as one of her recent attempts, shes just joined the big vtuber event.

>>71976148
Unfortunate. Women will be women, gonna sit back and watch the fireworks, if they come.
>>71972810
What was he saying here exactly? I don't know a lick of nip text besides my waifus name.

>>71976148
>the biggest fuccboi
hes a typical brotuber.
i know western niggers gave up on having "brotubers" bc it turned out all western male vtubers were sexpests, and now all male vtubers in the foreign industries also have to be either twinks or fuccboys. typical amerimutt mental gymnastics.

>>71976326
yes niji concert is grim sister,what do we do?

>>71976634
It fucking kills me to say this, but I don't think the "brotuber" strategy will ever work on the EN side, any person would instead op to watch a male streamer and that's it.
And adding to what you say, thanks to Luxiem and their fucking management, those concepts you mentioned, alongside stuff such as being "yaoi-baiting" and else are now sterotypes within the perception of male vtubers.

>>71976326
>Without notice
She gave joshus two month's notice. It sucks, yeah, and I'm not excusing her, but she was at least that considerate.

>>71976634
Shibuhal flirts with female vtubers though.

>>71966854
>starting drama for the heckerinos
just admit you're a cuck

>>71976634
>he's a typical brotuber
The fucking state of you, defending the literal ring leader of the FPS sex pest orgy
I bet you think Karubi is mostly harmless too. It's a fucking pity we can't swap her into an EN streamer for a day because people like you are often willfully blind towards her being an unholy combo of Japanese Ironmouse and Veibae

>>71965095
I honestly thought i was the only one who didn’t really feel the need to have a romantic angle with my chuuba to fully enjoy the entertainment value. I mean would I have have sex with any of them/their roommates if we were in a room together? Hell yeah, but I’m not gonna pretend we were ever going to get married and have a half dozen kids and shit when I only see them on streams.

>>71977507
im a cuck koyori is my new oshi

>>71976913
People who think Japanese vtubers are "brotubers" are fucked in the head or don't realize that gay jokes/third wheeling "flirt with my female collab partner" cuck content and what brotuber viewers want to see are mutually exclusive
But yeah Hal teasing the girls he tutors with innuendo for a stream or chronoir talking about just how close they've gotten in sleepy voices on a Twitter space off collab as TOTALLY brotuber content, Jesus fucking christ

Niji shits are so desperate man, holy crap...

Anyway.. I don't mind that much to be honest, of course it really depends how rhe stream will go and if this will become a common occurrence like Aki Rose.

Aki's case still hurts to be honest. She was one of my favorites and before you ask, yes, I didn't even care that she was married or had kids, I just don't want to see ikemen avatars because I am not gay. Why is that so hard to understand for some people?

>>71965095
I have been here longer than you and this board and I was never shitposting, off yourself for your autism

>>71978019
I don't think there's even a real definition for "brotuber" but if people mean "just like a chill fleshstreamer but using a model", that absolutely exists. There's a bunch on twitch. They hit a ceiling at the low 3 view range at the absolute max but most don't break 2 digits. Probably exists in JP too if you dive down for 2views. It's just that, quite clearly, the audience to sustain that content into the 4view-5view range doesn't exist (anywhere, in any language).

>>71966854
And you're a cuck.I bet you watch the homos as well.

>>71977662
Do you watch Koyori often? She's super parasocial, often asking for affirmations of love on twitter or in membership posts. She went from being passively accepting of gachis at debut, to saying she wanted more, to actively asking for them as of her bikini/hoodie outfit afterparty. Not to mention how unicorn friendly she's been up to this point, with her only male interactions being obviously in the "fine" zone up until now. People were upset two months ago when she announced it, people are upset now.
Sukikira's a shit site, but the atmosphere on Koyori's page now is vastly different than it was six months ago. Gloom, resignation, and relentless collab/スト鯖 beggars run rampant. This isn't just a /here/ thing.

>>71978146
It's not even the first fucking time she's done a tourney and every single time she does this type of shit she pushes the line further and further.
At the very fucking least, Aki made no promises about no male collabs. Hell I still remember that guitar dude.
But koyo was literally, explicitly doing ガチ恋営業. Literally right after debut when she played Pokémon she made sure to only catch fucking female Pokémon deliberately. She even leaned heavily into the yuri larp.
I'm so fucking tired of seeing people who owe their fans so much treat their promises and words to them like fucking tissue paper. Where is the trust that they're supposed to be building? How many more of my fucking oshis am I going to have to drop because they couldn't keep a trivial fucking promise?
I don't fucking understand why you think I'm not allowed to be upset, I genuinely want to know, call me a nijisis if you want to fuck if I care but humor me for a moment and just assume I'm actually just upset, can you explain why I'm somehow a bad person for it?

>>71978520
See that in and of itself is already proof that "brotuber" isn't even a thing, because when I think "brotuber", there a few people I come up with that are the exact opposite of "chill"

>>71970827
>private life that i dont know about.
cmon now

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>>71978146
The rumors about Aki aren't actually true. It's just out of context tweets about her pet cat and pretending an overweight staff member is a belly dancer.

>>71977517
casual nigger, he was active way before karubi shit suddenly popped up. shes just a recent person who could vanish all of sudden again. you are just saying like now that kuzuha is interacting a lot with apex niggers and such, hes now toxic.

>>71979327
Its obviously not a thing. We can't even define it. At its basest I guess what /vt/ usually means by it is "doesn't go hard on pandering to fujos and yumes" but if that's the definition then nobody has been waiting for brotubers. You have them in spades in twitch. Ironically Magni and Vesper were the ones getting called brotuber the most and they were really fucking gay. Gayer than even the blue guy even if they sounded less flamboyant. It's all nonsense.

>>71978971
>every single time she does this type of shit she pushes the line further and further.
Can you elaborate what you mean with "push further and further"? I watched the streams too and I didn't notice any flirting or even mentioning that they were friends like Fubuki or Towa do on daily basis.

>I don't fucking understand why you think I'm not allowed to be upset
Not at all my fellow unichad, everyone has different grades of tolerance towards these topics, also I didn't say that I like it. My own "red line" is that this is not a daily occurrence, she just rarely plays against a guy on a tournament and then everyone forgets about him.

>>71976634
Male vtubers should stop trying to be brotubers and start becoming shonentubers

>>71960955
Get yourself a nice child-bride with a burka Paki-sis, instead of obsessing over women who would never touch you

>>71965211
Unicorns existed long before selen was terminated, they are older then her debut by a longshot. What's the point of this image?

>>71960955
Are you gonna tell Koyori she can't collab with Yagoo her boss?

>>71978971
You're a bad person because some people want you to be a bad person so that they can feel better about themselves.

>>71980321
I disagree, male vtubers should dissappear unless they pander to fujos and stick to that audience. If I wanted to see a guy playing a game I would rather watch a pro fleshtuber rather than a guy that plays bad and is using a handsome anime avatar.

>>71978971
>I don't fucking understand why you think I'm not allowed to be upset, I genuinely want to know, call me a nijisis if you want to fuck if I care but humor me for a moment and just assume I'm actually just upset, can you explain why I'm somehow a bad person for it?
You're allowed to be upset, you're just a retarded larper though since even the most gender-segregrated idols back in the day still did ad campaigns and talkshow appearances where males were present.

>>71981005
Nobody cares about what flesh idols do. Vtubers are superior. Vtubers should make their audience happy.

>>71979975
>defending kuzuha
ah okay so you are a chronoir fanboy
let me guess, you also think he and kanae are actually totally safe and respectful vtubers and it's fine for girls to collab with them?

>>71978971
she was never doing gachikoi eigyo, you dumbfuck. shes just said like "i dont really understand male things" so she just prefer doing female centric things
as for the current joshus as non gfe viwers, one of the proofs is that 5chs nan-J raid. they started to push her so fucking hard because of her first powarpro streams, it was huge bc the whole 5ch board pushed her, and none of them were gfe niggers. the event was her biggest turning point of being much more popular than before.

>>71981289
>Nobody cares about what flesh idols do
Go back.

your oshi WILL do a SEX stream with ME
fuck you

>>71981378
you just hate all male japanese vtubers or male professionals. you shouldnt watch jp vtubers. just stay in your safe space, phase? or something like that. i dont even know wester nigger shit outside holo en and part of niji en.

>>71981005
>streamer makes promise to audience
>this promise makes that audience for more money
>essentially scams their audience for money
>this is okay because real life idols appear on talk shows or whatever
Is this the long and the short of it retard?

>>71981005
>implying I was a flesh idolfag
Nigger that was one of the REASONs I never got invested in idols when I had the opportunity to be. Another was my personal dislike of how meat grindery the industry was. And of course, true flesh and blood idols are far, far more one-sided.
Vtubers took what made idols appealing to be a fan of, and supercharged it. Of course I wouldn't want them to downgrade, why the fuck would I?

>>71981638
That dude has not watched a single flesh and blood idol he just think he's got a gotcha.

>unicorns seethins at male collab
>numberfags seethings she has not fallen from grace after a male collab like some HoloEN did
I'm more surprised is Koyori, of all the holos, who managed to make those two kind of retards mad kek

>>71981638
Idk why you are expecting a group that's loosely basing themselves on flesh-idols to follow some new standard that you've made up. Sounds like it's on you.

>>71978971
As someone that went through something similar. It only gets worse from here and this made me stop getting attached to chuubas. I still watch a stream here and there if I see one playing a game I like but it's just not worth it investing so much on someone you don't know anon.

>>71981638
>And of course, true flesh and blood idols are far, far more one-sided.
You speak from a position of knowledge based on your deep understanding of japanese culture (which requires near native understanding for their language), right? I'm sure you do, or else you wouldn't be making comments like that, that would be silly.

I've never really understood this mentality.
Either you have to acknowledge your oshi is a slut who probably interacts with men every day when ordering food, going to the convenience store, going to cover studio, etc.
Or you have to acknowledge that as long as she's not deepthroating cock on stream, some interactions with males are harmless.

>>71981398
>she was never doing gachikoi eigyo
YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT SHE LITERALLY ASKED FOR GACHIKOI MULTIPLE TIMES DURING STREAMS ESPECIALLY EARLY ON
THIS GASLIGHTING IS FUCKING INFURIATING

These baseball streams are no different from playing any other game together, except for the fact that were supposed to pretend that it being a baseball game makes it professional.

>>71960955
>shill professional stream to promote a konami game
now back to discord with you

>>71982524
being a unicorn is just being a cuck; there's no difference
GFE oshis are lying whores as the selling point and they gobble it up in some weird delusion

>>71981442
If you want to watch flesh idols then go watch flesh idols.

>>71964661
How blown out is Fubuki's foxhole after all the 2023 male gamer collabs?

>>71982833
If you don't want to watch idols, go (back) to watching phase.

>>71960955
jpcucks are coping hard

>>71982658
you must be an eop nigger. blame your own half assed japanese skills. what shes been consistently saying is that she doesnt understand male things, doesnt understand what ikemen is so prefers female relationships. ofc she never refused her gachikoi fans, but it doesnt mean she wanted you to be a gashikoi fan. she never acted like a gfe vtuber.

Rushia cucked her unicorns right under their noses, I don't understand how the fall from grace of the Queen of GFE didn't make all the other gachikoi rethink their life choices

>>71960955
it's always ok
just don't be weird about it

>>71983048
If you've ever seen this image, I'm the one who copy pasted it together.

>>71982819
I dunno, I think there are probably genuinely some that aren't lying whores.
I just never understood the mentality of 'male collab = drop oshi'.
For example, I can only imagine how many hours their oshi spent around male staff while holofes was being organised (sound engineers, cameramen, all sorts of different tradesmen doing work for the event). Holofes was basically a gangbang for their oshis according to their logic. None of them are pure anymore by their standards.

>>71981621
Oh kill yourself. I've never complained about that dumb talk show shit they all do, I didn't complain about the fugly hypno ojisan, I didn't complain about the Pokémon tourney hosts, I didn't complain about hikakin(this one I did dislike but as someone literally subbed to hikakin since 2011 I knew he was in a league of his own), I was fine with the Hollywood celeb interviews, I was fine with Marine interviewing her personal touhou lord and savior, I was fucking FINE because at the end of the day I wanted one fucking thing, the same fucking thing, to trust that these girls put their viewers first and actually give a fuck about them. This line pushing is a fucking slap in the face to major long time fans.
But you clearly have a different taste for content. Yours leans more towards hearing Rindou moaning in the background on Kuzuhas stream, watching Kanae flirt with Hoshikawa while she calls you an incel, watching Hal bounce sexually charged jokes off his onahole of choice, and other similarly engaging content. My bad, you unironic unaware cuck.
also the only shit I know about phrase is catalog threads about male collabs and bf yabs???

>>71983251
YOU LYING PIECE OF SHIT THRRE WAS LITERALLY A DRUNK STREAM EARLY ON WHERE SHE ASKED US TO BE GACHIKOI FOR HER DIRECTLY
FUCK YOUR LYING ASS

>>71983602
Not liking male collabs has nothing to do with being in love with your oshi. It's called CGDCT. Hololive is part of the CGDCT genre. Did you like it when they shoved a romance plot into the second Hobbit movie, no one did because it didn't match the genre.

>>71972810
You're mentally ill.

>>71983356
Because if they were responsive to reality they wouldn't be simping for egirls to begin with.

The JP holos really love to just suddenly do male collabs for no reason even though they know it will make a lot of fans mad. They genuinely don't care and seem to enjoy doing it even, way more than the EN girls.

>>71983881
>Did you like it when they shoved a romance plot into the second Hobbit movie, no one did because it didn't match the genre.
what is aragorn and arwen alex?

>>71983881
You don't have to watch EVERY stream if they're doing something you don't like, you know.
This is the same as if they're playing a game you don't like, or interacting with a female vtuber you don't like.
(I also refuse to believe you've never watched a male youtuber's content, or never watched TV/anime with males in them, so don't lie and say you just can't stand males being onscreen at all.)

Male collab = goodbye

>>71984111
Give an inch and they take a mile.
Males do not belong in vtubing, I'd literally rather watch them collab with a fleshtuber.

>>71982436
...Anon, unless your oshi is a chronic ghosted, it's impossible to interact with her directly less than the common idol fan interacts with their flesh oshi. It doesn't even take cultural knowledge, just consider the logistics.
Small caveat, I DO remember hearing something about an idol group that also does streaming a while back but I never followed up on it to see how it went. If they were successful and stream relatively regularly, then perhaps I am wrong in an extremely situational case. But that is a literal gimmick so gimmicky it was used a selling point; it is not the norm for flesh idols.

>>71984010
>>71984142
be less obvious

>>71972810
>save the soul of Hololive
It's so hilarious to read this will I sit here in Japan after having gone to EXPO/5th fes., something this loser absolutely did not do. People like you only care about hololive insofar as you can complain about it online. You have absolutely zero interest in supporting your talent in person/monetarily because you don't even have an oshi. You wanna "save the soul" of hololive? Kick your dogshit attitude to the curb. This "soul" you talk about is your own schitzoid illusion. I know you only just started watching hololive when Advent debuted, but don't use your ignorance of the past in an attempt to bend hololive into your retarded mental picture.

>>71981953
>loosely basing themselves on flesh idols
The first ones to actually properly pursue an idol-tailored content style explicitly didn't collab with males and most made explicit mention of this. Many of them specifically described not collabing with men as being a choice made in order to become an idol, including both Miko and Pekora as well as Kanata. Actually, nearly all of Sankisei made such statements or similar.
Your strawman doesn't hold up to somebody who was there and listened to them when they told me what they were "selling". Or are the talents own fucking words just garbage to you?

>>71984448
>schitzoid illusion
Your entire rant here is just making up someone in your head to get mad at.

>>71984682
>somebody who was there and listened to them when they told me
Are you out of your meds

>>71984448
No matter how good they get at writing lots of words they'll always leave in a SEA-ism that outs them as a third worlder brownoid.
It's how you can tell it's just a drama obsessed faggot. Basic grammar, uncertainty about the subject of the sentence and how to refer to said subject. Small subtleties will always out them.

>>71978520
LordAethelstan

>>71977284
A few months notice doesn't change the fact she's still collabing with a male. Whatever I'm done talking about this.

>>71984682
Miko (who I love) collabed with males early on. Peko did her comedian show. Also why randomly start there and not the genuine idol-fag and first talent Sora?

It seems like there is no problem at first, but later you will notice that the number of viewers and SC is decreasing.
In Japan, it is called slow-acting poison.
Birthday Live
2023 106,097
2024 67,509
https://www.vstats.jp/video/7ctmEk_35Yc
https://www.vstats.jp/video/_vzFNtQsqJI

>>71983925
I'd rather be mentally ill than be whatever those subhumans who spam 効いてる効いてる at mild complaints about Hololive girls doing things I dislike. Hololive was successful. The girls were successful. The girls were happy. I was happy. There were no fucking issues with the status quo prior. You are defending an abrupt, unnecessary, and frankly delusional and soulless attempt at a cash grab that for several reasons is unlikely to even work in the first place given the reputation "バチャ豚" have there, and that reputation sure as shit isn't going to get fixed by pandering to the flesh streamer/fujo crowd(care to recall what female streamers were in Japan prior to vtubing? Remember the fucking nightmare of ニコ生 where being a male accessory, getting sexpested, and daily harassment for being a woman wasn't just a problem but the literal fucking baseline? That's the type of content being drawn towards Hololive now. And it won't make them more money, more famous, or more accepted. It can only end the exact same way NND did; as a fucking national shame that people will literally apologize for online.If me not wanting to see that hellish situation again means being mentally ill, if me recognizing the attitude shifting back towards the style it was back on NND because I have a functioning memory means I'm mentally ill, then I'm glad I'm mentally ill. At least I fucking care

sisters i keep making shitposts threads grasping at anything to shit on holos and deflect yet niji stocks no go up ? maybe next pink fox thread will fix things

>>71984448
Nta but I started watching in 2019 and spent thousands on merch. I don't want male collabs. Any inter gender contact between streamers is poison and always ends up in the fans getting cucked or the girl getting raped.

Male collabs are also not cute.

>>71986136
nta and I've been arguing against the koyo hate itt but I don't think anyone wants things to end up like that. I personally just trust koyori and don't think this is a sign that things are heading that way. It's fine to be nervous about it but it seems like an overreaction.

I'M A UNICORN AND I SAY TERMINATE THEM ALL

>>71970245
fleshstreamers can be entertaining for heterosexual men, male Vtubers pander to faggots and 3 world women.

it's okay as long as it's not with nijimales.

>>71986528
Based

>>71985455
I watched Kizuna AI but, ironically, I ended up drifting away from her and it was only years later that I realized that the moment I started rapidly losing interest in her was the first time she interacted with a guy. I wasn't actively aware of it then and obviously didn't know what the fuck a unicorn might be in that context, but that happened. Not long after I ended up getting into an IRL relationship for a few years and got out of it at the latter end of 2019. I liked Aqua because back then she still played video games and I not only got to enjoy watching sankisei flourish but got hit with yonkisei not long after. I already had an idea about how some people disliked male collabs by that point and naturally agreed with them. I was happy when Miko said that she's going to stop collabing with guys in order to be a true idol like Pekora and I even akasupa'd her back then because I could tell that she understood. And of course, I wasn't quiet about Towas yab nor the lifting of the original Holostars/Hololive collab ban

>>71986136
Can you explain or summarize what happened to NND to EOPs like me. That information sounds valuable.