/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Depends on how you view women as a whole.

>>704225
I'm pretty sure Watame's relationship with her fans borders on the unhealthy. She REALLY seems to love her fans and depend on them for moral support.

>>704225
I think they like their fans more than regular idols do for the simple fact they don't have to go out and interact with the most hardcore ones. Instead they read pleasant messages of support from the comfort of their homes. That will obviously leave a better impression.

>>704225
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utnErxUKYio

We're just pay piggies.

>>704266
You make a fair point

>money from lonely incels
>end stream, have sex with boyfriend

>>704291
What are some examples of this?

>>704291
You got any clips to back that up?

When you become a public figure, you get both fans and haters, stalkers and admirers. Dealing with humans has ups and downs.

The popular vtubers usually refrain from personal socialization with their fans (example: Gura). But the indie / smaller ones do enjoy chatting with fans on discord (example: Kagura Nana, Nina Saotome). Kiara is somewhat in the middle, but she has plenty of haters due to her forthright personality. Also, we have little idea what they are like in real life.

>>704357
>>704358
Watch any of her superchat readings. Or watch any "watame cries" clips. She gets really emotional and empathetic when her fans tell her sad things that happened to them.

>>704225
As much as any streamer likes their fans, yes.

gotta be more enjoyable than most jobs, but that's really what it is, a job. if you pretend to like the people watching you you get more money. this goes for all streamers, not just vtubers.

>>704472
Some people find meaning in careers by deluding themselves into thinking they're helping people. I imagine it's similar in entertainment jobs like streaming, otherwise you'd grow to hate it and that would show.

>>704377
I'd imagine more than a few of them are like Futaba from P5, with all the same good and bad points

>Do Vtubers Actually Like Their Fans?
lol they have to make people like >>704387
believe it else they aren't getting any cash from simpy

>>704684
That's why Watame streams become therapy sessions. People talking about how they decided to keep living because of her and her asking for Membersheep's strength in her struggle to become a solo idol. It is a parasocial relationship to the highest degree.

I get where you're coming from but I think they enjoy it. They get to play a fictional anime character while being themselves without any repurcussions of weirdos stalking them. They're not even using their real identity. That's my idea.

>>704225
put yourself in their shoes and do you think you'd love your fans?

>>704225
sure but its not enough to fill the void in their hearts
t.gura

Most of them probably have a healthy emotional distance. Arguably the ones that play GFE like Amelia and Rushia are giving themselves mental illness by feeding into it but that's their call. The only one who I've heard has a weird attachment to her fans is Polka, who allegedly has not had normal relationships her whole life and relies on her online popularity to give her life meaning, ergo her fans are genuinely the most important people in her life. In a co-dependent, fucked up way.

>>704831
I would definitely appreciate people who shower me with money.

>>704225
Probably. With very few exceptions, most of them aren't exactly socialites, so the attention they get from their simps and fans is likely the majority of the social contact and validation they receive.
It's easy and cathartic to write all of them off as whores, bitches, golddiggers, sellouts, whatever, but things are never as clear-cut as that. Like all entertainers, vtubers literally live and die off their fans, and it takes a special kind of douchebag to not feel at the very least appreciation for the people that have made you what you are.

>>705026
It's not exactly uncommon that they get emotional on stream.
You would have to be pretty damn cynical to see how they interact with their fans and still assume they don't like them.

>>705026
>>705316
Idolfags are laughing really hard at you guys

>>705436
That's the thing. Vtubers AREN'T idols. They aren't bred and trained for showbiz like idols. With very VERY few exceptions (honestly just AZKi and no one else), they're all either shut-in autists, menhera weirdos or down-to-earth goofballs who just don't have the upbringing needed to be that kind of douchebag.
I understand it'll make you feel better thinking the vtuber that doesn't pay attention to you does it because she hates everyone and is a horrible two-faced bitch, but you need to realize that's all in your head and to face the evidence.

>>705436
that implies that idolfags are capable of thought

I really wonder if any of the hololivers who were streamers before they became chuubas feel some sort of resentment
Like, they appreciate their fans, but can't help but think "Where were you guys when I was streaming on my own? Where was all the kindness and attention?"
Like, do they hate us somewhat for the fact that the majority of us seem to have only ever started paying attention to them because they started using a waifu avatar?

There's a reason JP streaming companies like to hire only experienced streamers. They already went through long periods with no paypigs, no indication that vtubing would be financially viable, and barely any viewers, and did it anyway for different reasons. Of course if you directly insert yourself into their shoes as they are now you might ask yourself what keeps you from doing that, but then if you were that sort of person you wouldn't have made it that far.

A good way to gauge how much they like their chat is how long they spend streaming. Any of the girls that spends 6+ hours on their average stream is attached to their chat in some way, if only because it's human nature to want to socialize and it's eating most of their possible waking socialization hours.

At that point, even if they think of their audience as a bunch of sweaty simps, they're going to feel something when that audience criticizes them. Like some sort of streamer stockholm syndrome

>>704225
they only like me

Small vtuber with a 50+ regular viewership here.

I'm a literal who compared to holos and nijis but I can admit I have favourites and there are also some names I despise seeing in chat because they ask and say some really awkward stuff.

Kinda wish I could be genuine friends with some of my audience but we all know that's a train wreck waiting to happen lol so I limit my interaction. Kinda sad, really.

The other side of the parasocial relationship.

>>705873
What about Korone? She does all-night streams pretty routinely and it makes me think it's less because she likes her fans and more because she has a problem

>>705750
Some already used an avatar. The word you are looking for is exposure. I could be the best singer that has ever been but If I live in the middle of a desert I ain't going big. Probably they feel grateful they have as much support as they do. Others might be suffering from imposter syndrome thinking they aren't good enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-asrplYBHM

>>705750
Before vtubers became a thing there were more no-name streamers than there are Pajeets at call centers. Not our fault they couldn't find a way to make themselves stand out.

>>705989
Any decent fan will understand and be comfortable with the distance. In a way, part of the charm of the relationship is the decreased responsibility from both parties and the simplicity. There is chat, there are a few quirky personalities in chat, and there's the streamer.
A closer relationship with certain people in chat would end up making those people too integrated with the stream's identity and that makes things more complicated for both the streamer and other viewers. This has happened with some twitch mods and overly engaged paypigs.
Most people would be over the moon if the streamer just remembers their name and callbacks to stuff they said before.

>>705750
If they understood how their newbie hose worked they should bear no resentment. If anything they'll have imposter syndrome.
Especially for those on platforms like twitch. Do you really want the sort of fanbase who would click on Apex Legends, order it by low-to-high viewer numbers, and then filter by whether the streamer was a chick or not? Really?

Anyone that unironically uses the word "simp" is disqualified from having any consideration given to their opinions.

>>704377
The last time a Holo did try to engage with her overseas Discord fan via voice chat she got featured in NRKM.

>>706665
is one of those words that lost it's og meaning, like "autism" and "literally"

>>704225
If doxxfags are to be believed, Calli doesn't

>>706665
Apparently now if you watch streams live instead of clips you're a simp. I have to applaud reddit for somehow neutering the word so fundamentally and completely.

>>705989
>Kinda wish I could be genuine friends with some of my audience but we all know that's a train wreck waiting to happen lol so I limit my interaction. Kinda sad, really.
I mean if they can talk to you on discord like a normal person and not sperg out about the fact that you are a vtuber, then they probably won't lead to a train wreck. I understand there are crazies, but I don't think you have to have a hard line against all of your viewers. That said, it's certainly easier to avoid crazies if you don't try, but that applies to everybody you meet in general.

>>706778
>>706843
Yep. These days it's mostly a way to tell whether someone is a newfag or not. "Muh free entertainment" and all that bullshit.

>>705989
You ever tried dealing with the weirdos directly? I watch some indies and while it's nice that it's a slow chat where people can talk, even just 1 or 2 super autists really drag it down for everyone.
I figure it's more complicated than I'm thinking, though. Not like you can just hit them with the ban hammer if you're not on twitch or something.

>>706891
This is why you have one or two trusted mods to play the bad guy. In smaller chats the mod can PM and talk it out, and if it's clear its a schizo they just bonk directly and maybe explain it to chat which probably shares the same opinion.

>>706844
Issue with this is that a lot of people are totally normal aside from having one or two land mines. You don't want to have a publicly good friendly relationship with a regular and then six months later he casually starts talking about some fresh political issue in your chat or trying out breatharianism and sparks a shitstorm.
One thing I remember was in Klaius's (the drawfag) chat where one of his IRL friends started urging him in chat to ride the twitter boost and become a vtuber and it got incredibly awkward, with Klaius telling him they'll talk after stream.

>>705026
I think appreciate is a good word. It's a relationship built on mutual appreciation. You can appreciate the things people do for you even if you've never met them face to face.
Liking is a more personal relationship, might be possible with small vtubers but usually it isn't warranted to spend time getting to know individual members of chat on stream.

>>704225
>view us as sweaty simp nuisances
Chances are some vtubers see themselves as this.

>>706033
She doesn't seem as dependent on her chat as others, but it still bothers her a lot when they tell her to go to sleep. And she is really sweet in her member streams, valentine's was nice.
I won't say she is living a normal life but I think she is where she wants to be. She's apparently keeping herself quite fit and that is a really good indicator IMO.

Most of them like their fans.

>>707279
Yeah that makes sense. I'm sure there's decent people in your chat without landlines, but I can see why you would want to steer clear of any potential issues.

>>704926
I really like Polka persona so far tho.

It´s legit funny.

>>704377
It's a problem of scale. Smaller streamers can have deeper interactions with their chat because the chat moves slower.

>>704225
I don't get the feeling from the holos aside from maybe one or two, even the EN ones feel genuine, probably because most of them are some kind of broken too. The dedicated superchat reading streams are kind of scummy though, especially when they go longer than a usual gameplay stream. Vshoujo is about half and half for actually cool/thankful and faking it for the camera. Indies are a mixed bag because you have a lot of bandwagoners or just ewhores seizing the chance to print incel dollars without even having to show cleavage.

Find an indie, any indie. The ones with 50 or fewer watchers.
You get to see an unhealthy relationship develop in real time between them and their viewers

>>708245
Trying to keep yourself from developing some genuine feelings when you're doing high viewer engagement is like trying to hold your pee after going halfway. You're always going to be paranoid if your viewers are seeing through your act, lean harder into it, and before you know it you're actually invested.

>>706033
>all-night
That's putting it lightly when she can sometimes reach 20 hour long streams then sleep for like 3 days straight.

>>706820
>Calli doesn't like her fans

Calli isn't good enough at acting to be able to pretend to like us Deadbeats lol

>>704225
Nope they don't care they just see us a sheeple to get an early retirement off of.

My oshi loves me. Yours is probably just using you for money though.

>>708517
I imagine that's even tougher if you got into vtubing more as a social outlet. One chuuba I lowkey worry about because that's why she told us she got into vtubing and I can see a chance she grows too attached to the chat. Going from being a virtual nobody all the way to having all sorts of men give you attention and who like watching your streams because it's *you* has to really mess with your head.

>>704225
Considering her social life is composed almost entirely of her vtuber life, I'd bet anything she really cares about them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slpKZU4ENJg

>>704225
Considering they don't know us or really anything about us other than we are a mass of people who like them, no they probably don't care for us and are just greatful we like them and are paying for their life. Not necessarily a bad thing but don't kid yourself into thinking they think fondly of us

Its probably on a case by case basis.

Someone like Mori is a failed rapper who was probably going to die young if she kept working to hard, thanks to hololive and her fans shes free to make music now.

Kiara is a former failed idol who reached her dream in a different way(even said so herself), so she's probably very thankful for the people that watch and support her.

I'm sure there's dozens of more examples like this and there;s probably the complete opposite as well.

>>711780
What's she gonna do what the views dry up? Nothing last forever.

>>713923
don't think she'll live long enough to see that day

>>704312
Fubuki is unfathomably based

>>706076
lemme raise you one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ZUkwj2qHE

as much as i love pekora, im pretty sure she's disgusted by us kek
https://youtu.be/OcdKa8j7fHE?t=238

>>714325
Just got done listening to that album a week ago. Very nice.
You know any other bands like Lich King?

>>714742
only thing that immediately comes to mind is Havok, lol. think they actually put out a new album last year too.

>>714483
AVGN deserves the Peko

But you're not wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcu0xrRX460

>>704684
There are plenty of careers that truly do help people, and streaming is one of them. Sorry you got stuck with a hell job.

>>714984
he does, he's been through enough

>>704377
>example: Gura
An interesting thing I found is when I watched archived clips of HER she was a lot more interractive with her fans. But now even a simple tweet, besides schedules, is super rare. This plus the fact that she doesn't collab very often, I couldn't say if she just prefers being alone or if it's an autistic level of OpSec.

>>704225
>Do Vtubers Actually Like Their Fans?
Without those fans, they are nothing

>>704225
I can't say for most VTubers but Father Yagoo's House for Broken Girls is full of depressed/socially anxious/traumatized/mentally unstable women so I wouldn't doubt they enjoy getting appreciation for once.

>>705989
Are you a nip or a westerner? Purely curious.

>>715370
>I couldn't say if she just prefers being alone or if it's an autistic level of OpSec
could be both honestly, or just an autistic level of autism in general. her head simply isn't screwed on quite right.

>>705989
>>706844
>tfw super autist but just barely self-aware enough to never make an account and directly interact with anyone
Thank god for 4chan, I guess.

>>715370
The prevalent rrat is that she just wasn't mentally prepared for her meteoric rise. That has been slowly changing, going by comments in recent streams.

>>705989
I imagine even famous Youtubers deal with this as well, only more indirectly. Pretty easy to find horror stories of major names interacting once with their fans on a personal level and ending up getting their careers ruined. Meanwhile, there's also the whole fantasy of meeting your future spouse this way, which a lot of fans fantasize of, some more autistically than others.

>>714016
Sad, but true.

>>714483
She undoubtedly likes her children viewers. She also mentioned wanting more female viewers but I forget which stream.

>>704225
depends on the Vtuber. Some love their viewers, some put up with them, and some probably hate their viewers

>>715648
>she just wasn't mentally prepared for her meteoric rise
You're right. I guess nobody on earth is mentally prepared to be skyrocked at the second place in months.
That must be fucking scary.

>>704225
None of the legitimately entertaining ones hate their fans as much as you all want to think. There would be so much more clear proof of it if they did. That said, it is undeniable that few if any of the big choobers truly respect their fans.

>>705026

A lot of them are making great living now due to the success they wouldnt have had if they didnt appreciate their fans and all of a sudden they have hordes of people telling them they are great entertainers that got them through 2020 alive. Some of them like Ame or Miko were once barely able to get anyone to watch and would have been back to stocking shelves at the local store if the fans didnt take a liking to them

>>715024
>Billibilli
that explains it

>>715370
Chat literally goes too fast for her. She commented on it last stream.

>>715944
>>715024
You have to be a retard of extreme proportions to not think "The Token Tsundere" doing that isn't an act.

>>705026
>Like all entertainers, vtubers literally live and die off their fans, and it takes a special kind of douchebag to not feel at the very least appreciation for the people that have made you what you are.
The western entertainment industry thrives on spiting older fans to gain new ones.

>>716074
>lives on
*dies because of

>>715024
based

Depends on on the tuber and the people. I'm sure somedays they like their fans and others they fake it for the akaspas. Some seem more genuine and others less. But make no mistake, the mask is there to hide the stress and the frustration, and because lowering it would result in fewer simps. Even retards like Aqua figured that out early.

>simp
>parasocial
*tips fedora*

>>706820
Mori obviously loves her deadbeats why would she dislike the people who made her popular?

>>715752
I think they all want more female viewers desu. Roboco was delighted to have "someone of the same gender" watching her. It must get tiring having to deal with guys almost all of the time.
Also, I cringe at the thought of a tranny telling a chuuba they're a female fan of theirs, and the chuuba not realising

>>717695
I dunno if they care that much about that. I can think of one example of a japanese model who came to America for an event at the behest of one. She didn't really know any English and was completely dependent on them. Their interactions on twitter seemed pretty friendly too.

>>704225
Since they're all actors putting on a show for the people they have to always pretend they enjoy performing for their audience
Beyond that they're human beings so obviously they like some of their fans and dislike others, I personally get autistically angry when I see "my X died please cheer me up" SCs or people trying super hard to be reddit funny. It's gotten to a point I have to cover up the part of the stream that shows chat preview so that I'm not constantly reminded of what kind of people I share room with

>>715752
this one

>>714483
if you do your jap reps (not like i'm anywhere near enough) Pecker's way of speaking is extremely informal and casual, at times almost like talking with a friend. Also if you dig a bit deeper, i could say Pecker would easily be one who truly bonds with us considering her lifestyle

>>717880
I don't mind the people trying to be funny. Sometimes they actually manage it and everyone gets to have a laugh.

>>715426
Just because customer services or salesmen are paid to act polite doesn't mean they like dealing with every single customer

>>718002
>Eating Mike Tysons Aaaa...oh no

>>717880
>I personally get autistically angry when I see "my X died please cheer me up"
That's not autism, it's normal to be annoyed by people who fish for sympathy/attention, especially when they are willing to pay actual money to briefly get it

>>704225
They love your money, that's for sure.

>>718877
Most of them seem to live like they barely have any money despite having a ton of it. It's weird.

>>718897
Better than flaunting it. Must be Vtuber 101 to not make it obvious.

>>715648
>>715880
Not only that, the pressure from management due to being essentially the "face" of their English language endeavor must be immense as well. As an indie, wouldn't have that kind of pressure to perform coming from an employer like that.

>>718931
Nah, fans love seeing their money get used. That's why every time they mention they want something they instantly get a ton of people throwing money at them.

Lately I've been wondering how addictive streaming is. Those girls are obliged to stream like a couple hours a month, yet stream nearly every day, often for up to 10 hours daily, and sometimes spontaneously in the middle of the night. At some point it started to feel like they're less in for the money, and instead just enjoy all the attention they get from interacting with their viewers.

It's like a reverse parasocial relationship, or something.

Depends on the indivual. Some legitimately enjoy their fanbase. Some just use them. Some have a toxic codependency. Can't just assume people don't have complicated reasons behind why they do things. Woman are people just like men regardless of what 4chan will tell you.

>>718976
I don't mean that men and women are exactly the same, but they aren't like aliens either.

Who's that entitled Twitch bitch who berated her users for not giving her super chats? She's a example of what not to do.

>>704225
To build a loyal audience, one has to make the fanbase feel special.

>>704225
The latter. Imagine a bunch of people wasting their days and nights fapping to drawings and watching animated drawing playing like retarded children in dumb games, speaking like retarded children and acting like retarded children. Would you want to be acquaintance, not even friend, with this kind of people? imagine the mind-scarring horror they feel when they realize any of these people could show up at their doorsteps someday.

>>718953
Unfortunately, that's not how management see it (like that one time Pecor did a fund raising stream).

>>704225
Pekora and Miko basically live for their fanbase.

Yes, but sometimes there are fans so socially awkward that I ban them because they make the chat unbearable. People who RP in chat, who are trying too hard to be funny, who are mentally not all there.
I prefer a coherent and cohesive fan base, and enjoy interacting with those of the same mental capacity.

>>719045
That sounds like it'd have legal problems. And if they stepped in, it probably did.

>>719073
nofunallowed.jpeg

>>719073
Good. Those kind of people drive others away.

>>719038
>could show up at their doorsteps someday
And when they find out that people did already do that in the past with other vtubers and it wasn't for gifts or greetings.

>>719038
But what if theyre also retarded children?

>>719207
Don't you need to be over 18 to enable the supporter thing on youtube?

The only one I feel that has noticeable contempt for her audience is amelia

>>719254
I get similar vibes too, I don't follow the english holos but those few times I tried watching her streams I couldn't enjoy them at all.

>>704291
Watame is super nice in general and will even respond sometimes to greetings where most vtubers ignore them.

>>719294
Ars lol'ed and hit the desk when she was called cute by an EOP in chat yesterday, not sure how to decipher that.

>>718968
Streamer here, when you get even one or two people actively showing interest in you and beeing kind its already such a source of joy. Imagine having a whole clique of people who enjoy beeing around you. Then again it could also be incredibly tiresome if you have a toxic fanbase.

>>719254
Literally called her fans walking banks so I would agree with this

>>719319
Japs often think almost anything EOPs do is hilarious, also irl. If you were to speak Japanese to a Japanese person there could be a chance they just start giggling because they think "foreign man sound funny, foreign man look funny" She could've also been embarrassed. Ars is a strange one but also fascinating.

>>719254
It looks like that because she's aiming for banter and you aren't close enough to bant as a tourist.

>>719254
Been watching her streams since debut.
It becomes more obvious the more you watch her.

>>718208
Common misconception is that customer service wagies have to always be nice to customers no matter what. If somebody comes into the store complaining and making an ass of themselves, you better believe that even the higher-ranked wagies are going to get more curt and businesslike in order to get that person out the door quicker.
>t. been doing it for 8 years

>>718897
If you can get accustomed to the minimalist lifestyle you can make even a wagie job a profitable living simply by virtue of paying almost nothing for rent and utilities. People who are used to being inside all the time like vtubers probably don't feel they need a lot of space, especially if there's some crossover into NEET territory. so they don't need to spend an extra 3 or 4 hundred a month on rent.

>>719379
It's not really the banter but a lack of enthusiasm for actually engaging with them

As an smaller indie, I enjoy interacting with my chat. It feels like I’m hanging out with friends who are helping me figure stuff out while I stream

>>719448
If that's the standard you're setting, I haven't seen a big streamer that shows enthusiasm for interacting with chat.

>>719379
Nobody will be as close as I am to her, ever.

>>717883
i cant read this

Interacting with your audience is something many people do, even outside of the vtuber sphere. So its not impossible to think that a vtuber enjoys chatting to the crowd who likes them. Of course most of them dont LOVE love their audience and I'm sure there are some who only sees them as a money source, but generally liking your audience isnt impossible.

>>719511
>eop
unko peko.

>>715880
>>718933
>be HER
>be a weeb with autistic behaviors
>shitpost weeb videos
>it works
>"Nani? Well... fine, I'll continue along this path"
>get drunk while streaming
>country road
>it works
>"..."
>hololive applications open
>"hm... I should try, but there's no chance I could be hi-"
>get hired
>meet the other girls
>"Damn, they're so much more talented than me... Why am I here with them?"
>be Gawr Gura
>debut stream
>"a"
>it works
>everybody's subscribing
>"Wait... I've only sa-"
>gura_global_ranking_initialD.webm
>"Stop stop stop! You can't jus-"
>be second most popular vtuber in the world
>her face when

>>719511
Guessing, the age stats of her subs.

>>718968
No, the hours are the MINIMUM to keep their membership with cover. HOWEVER, to make a living, more hours are required.

>>704225
That depends on how sheltered introvert the vtuber is. If you are a heavy intro and you get sudden validation there is no fucking way you'll not go deeper with this relationship. We often joke about how the pathetic lonely nerd viewer thinks about them as their gf, the simps etc, but in reality these women are doing this because they didn't receive much stimuli and adoration by other males IRL. No normal person and especially not a woman would use an avatar to represent itself. So this weird ass relationship goes back and forward too. Not only the viewer can get into the wrong side. See >>715433 most of them are fucked up.
Another way to confirm this: women don't talk about their dark side, kinks etc. unless they are 100% sure that the other person is in their "inner circle".

>>719689
All of them have imposter syndrome. It's hilarious. Their discord must look like a support group.

>>718897
Japan is expensive. Tokyo is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live in. Many if not most of the girls who are on their own have moved to Tokyo because cover hq is there. Not surprising that they end up living frugally after they waste much of their income on gatcha, booze, nights out, cake, not to mention dance lessons, singing lessons, voice coaches, 3d modules, new 3d models, merch etc (lmao did you think cover provided that to them?)

>>719736
Wasn't that just part of her holo acting? from what I read in other boards she had and has a proper social life outside of her job too.

>>718968
Holos have to stream min 3 times a week as per their contracts unless otherwise indisposed.
People like Mel have a special dispensation because cover feels guilty so they don't enforce it.

>>719736
>implying the don't talk about "their" kinks just to get more of that sweet views and SC

>>719763
they barely bother about the safety of their talents, and there's people that think cover will buy them their equipment (specially 3d gear) themselves (there's probably a few exceptions)

>>704783
https://streamable.com/8tmjld

>>719736
Was listening to Shuba's after bloom chitchat and she mentioned that she and towa and aqua were in the same room waiting and how aqua was (as usual) ultra quiet, you wouldn't even know she was even there and she'd enter and leave the room without a sound too. Only after a long while of shuba/towa rambunctious chicanery did aqua finally settle down and open up and be part of the group. Aparently she's always like that.
I've never really paid attention to aqua and any rrats associated with her but I suppose the whole hiki autist thing rings true for her.

>>719811
>Holos have to stream min 3 times a week
Ayame...

>>720082
Ojou gets away with anything like the overly dotted on spoilt child. Did you think that was just a roleplay amongst the SENPAITACHI?

>>720987
lel
didn't even think that F.>A.>M.>S would be filtered but of course.

>>718968
Humans are inherently social creatures. Even hikkis represent their opinions on the internet, hoping that the community they're part of accepts them. It's not hard to see that someone looks forward to positive reinforcement from thousands of people once they get over the stage fright.

>>718968
What would you do if you get loads if money for playing games? 10 hours daily isnt even out of the ordinary for you average wagie.

>>704330
>watch hag
>she can't get a boyfriend because she's a hag

checkmate

Smaller indie ones probably do, but chumcucks can't seriously believe shork cares about them outside of what a normal person might.

The best policy to have in life is never support a woman financial (or really emotionally) who isn't a blood relative or giving you pussy. I don't even sub or turn ad block off.

>>705750
Exposure, Gura was already racking up million views before because she knew how to play the game for easy exposure.

>>715433
>tfw Miko backstory
>tfw Haachama backstory and present
>tfw Okayu backstory
>tfw Pekora backstory
>tfw Korone backstory
>tfw Senchou backstory
>tfw Kanata lore

Matsuri deserves it though, she's toxic as fuck. And I'm happy for Miosha's success as a vtuber.

>>721552
based pikafag

>>719800
She's talking about her teen years anon, going by how much screeching autism she seems to have as an adult whenever she's given the space for it, I couldn't doubt her being being the ignored weirdo of her class.

>>704291
>not Rushia
Watame should stop since she already has that kind of support outside.

>>721341
10 hours a day, every day including weekends, and sometimes guerilla at night when they can't sleep. I know some people are greedy, but never to such extent.

I appreciate most of hololive being hikineets because it makes them more relatable, I just think they are funny. Would never and have never donated to a streamer. I might sub if I like their content a lot. Watch Twitch a lot as well.

Anyone clipped Ame calling everyone else her bank yesterday? That was very Mea-like, she has potential to be a great vtuber.

>>715370
At the end of luigi's mansion 3 stream she was alluding to shit of HER while reading some superchats and giving life advice, the problem is the fast chat.

>>721940
I had never donated money before until this year, I subbed to a twitch art stream because I felt obliged to give something back for all the information and feedback I was getting, then I decided to also pay Korone's membership because she goes the extra mile of searching for the old phyisical games and capturing from hardware sometimes, shame holocaust gutted her library of games.

>>721552
People don't believe most vtubers care about them more than a normal person might. They're pathetic enough that a normal person's level of caring is more than they've got.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HpgkY95iLY

>>721086
Thank god for SMOK.

>>704266
True facts.

>>719379
>all those replies
Do you guys not have friends or something? She's just bantering with the chat, that's the beauty of Ame, she can be a good GFE and also good at banter, no one was freaking out on her thread because of the walking bank statement.
This is also true of Pekora and Shion.

>>721484
She probably would have a husband and one-two grown-up kids.

>>704225
Japanese indie vtubers surely do. Without the nuisance of physical distance, they form two extra circles of friends, peers and fans. The later even have chance to form a formal love relationship. And unlike in fantasy, the chances of learning about those stories are near zero since there’s nothing to gain from exposing it, even at graduation.
Now for those famous like most people here talk about, this is definitely a can of worms. I dare to say at least a third of those in Hololive are acting because some have admitted to egosearch, and those whom also see Nijisanji for sure knows well what are the implications and side effects of such practice. Plus, is hard to believe people with story in NND are still innocent about streaming. People that don’t care for mental health simply burn their channel, while those whom adapt, eventually learn how to limit interactions and consider their job as a true one.

>>722156
Oops, meant for >>719254

>>721996
Damn some people are like that I guess. I can appreciate streamers for what they are - entertainers. They're working a job and may very well like it. I can accept that a personal trainer might love his job and genuinely care about his clients, same with like therapists. But I guess this is what happens when you stop having social institutions. Even bowling leagues would be healthier than some of this stuff for people.

>>719341
i remembered playing ffx on steam just chatting too one guy it was just fun

>>716074
Star Wars is a dead IP due to that philosophy

>>722156
>Do you guys not have friends or something?
Of course I have friends! Like, ten of them! Even twenty! Baka!

>>719246
No. You can set any birth date for your account.

>>715370
My take is that she's got crippling anxiety and a mixture of depression and impostor syndrome. She's settled right now into a comfort zone she's not ready/willing to leave yet.

>>722739
That's not a take. That's the truth.

>>721828
Name one vtuber that actually streams for 10 hours almost daily, even those who are known to often have long streams like Korone or Lulu have 10 hour streams only every few weeks. If you cant sleep and decide to play games instead then theres no downside to just turning on the stream as well.

>>719973
Aqua is a barely functioning autist, she is probably the worst case in all of hololive, since she needs an another person to speak for her and function. Apparently she's also really small by even jap standards.

>>721552
>The best policy to have in life is never support a woman financial (or really emotionally) who isn't a blood relative or giving you pussy. I don't even sub or turn ad block off.
This is my personal philosophy. However I treat SC like tossing a coin to a street artist, like to those ear licking ASMR videos I listen to sleep.

>>724341
>Apparently she's also really small by even jap standards.
Image

Mousey probably does.
Who the fuck knows about the rest of them.

>>724634
even Marine was amazed how small she is, and Marine is a womanlet too.

>>704225
Being a vtuber is their job and interacting with their chat is merely one of the job responsibilities. HOWEVER, ask yourself this--when going about your daily life is it not obvious when you see someone who likes his job versus someone who merely views it as a paycheck, especially when it's someone you see every single day for hours? The holos who stream all the time and who try to build a rapport with their viewers definitely care about their fans (as a collective).

>>724675
I imagine short stack Marine too

>>715524
With that English? Obviously an ENVtuber

I think most of them are fine with their fanbase being bunch of weirdos. Not to mention that the more fans they have, the mass takes the form of all the common positive traits, while the negative individualistic traits get brushed off as bad exceptions.

>>704377
>Also, we have little idea what they are like in real life.
At least in the case of Kiara we've got PLENTY of material documented to know she has been craving attention from her fans for a decade now.
Dude after her life got fucked over, she used to hold video calls with her fans for fucks sake, that's how much she wanted to keep in contact with the few of them that remained.

>>724638
Imagine fucking Mouse without any protection, infecting her with whatever pathogens you may carry, slowly poisoning her. Having orgasm after orgasm while her body slowly goes into shock, filling her insides with your toxic cum, her having one final brain melting orgasm before her lights finally go off.

>>705684
>>705578
You are idolfags, all holos qualify as idols, you just think the 80s idol concept is still the one used when the current one has nothing to do with that old one

>>725266
That's one of the first things everyone thinks about when they find out about her situation

>>725420
Image not noticing she's gone, thinking you'll take a short nap to recharge your cum tanks and waking up to a leg lock rigor mortis

>>725420
oh good I thought it was weird to think about for a second.

>>724638
I want to be friends with Mousey

I can think of someone who definitely does.

>>714483
Good. Her suffering is the water of life for me. I know deep down Pekora probably loves her Nusagi, but sowing doubt and making her socially anxious turns us on.

>>721660
can I get an info dump on these backstories?

>>726464
I'm proud to say that Pekora bullying was what got me down her rabbit hole in the first place.

>>726464
>us

>>714325
man, nu-thrash really is soulless

>>726452
Do you really belieeb eet?

>>719736
>No normal person and especially not a woman would use an avatar to represent itself.
That's something I've considered myself.

>>721660
All I know about vtuber backstories is that Ironmouse is a bubble girl dying from AIDS and Melody apparently used to strip on Chatroulette or one of those other camwhoring platforms. And I get the sense that Korone is the kind of person who doesn't have many friends other than Okayu

>>704291
That's why she is best girl

>>715433
The truth is that Hololive doesn't really pick the saddest girls. If you already select for the kind of girls who'd enjoy spending time on the internet and playing games then chances are you already get someone who doesn't really socialize often.
And almost everyone who lives past childhood age probably has experienced some minor or major personal tragedy. People who live to their mid 20s or more and have had a completely uneventful and happy life are the actual rarity. If you pick any random anon from this thread they could probably tell you a real sob story of their life if they tried.

>>704225
they're literally anons
atleast the ENs

>>704330
Worked great for [REDACTED]

>>730978
Good point. Also, artists use their traumas for inspiration often, and when you focus on a trauma too long, which is what happens in a creative process, you don’t get over it, by definition. So, the problems become bigger than they are.

>>730978
I would say that anons are not a random sample of the population in the slightest.

>>731205
>[REDACTED]
Have the balls to actually post it or fuck off to whatever hole you crawled out of.

>>715370
>autistic level of OpSec
Considering that she once admitted she resisted bringing up the stats screen to check coordinates in Minecraft because she was afraid it would dox her, yeah. There's probably a little of that.

The thing about fame and popularity and success is that there's no way to know how it will affect you. Like, I've been around streamers and interacting with influencers and e-celebs for a while, and while all of them like to believe that because they're normal, humble and grateful people at first, that means they always will be no matter how much success they see. But the truth is, you just don't know.

For example (and I could be wrong here, I don't watch a lot of their long-form content), to me most all of the HoloEN girls are basically just used to it at this point, and they have learned to just expect success and money. They didn't have to do the work that a lot of the original JP girls did, grinding for months and years for subs, learning to do idol shit to land promotions, and having to go through the rigors of creating a personality and content and selling it to the world. So I don't get the sense that any of them actually value their fans, they just sort of expect them to be there and to make money just for being themselves.

I think you can tell that a lot of the JP girls that people joke around about being "broken", really feel like, and continue to feel like, they have to fight for their subs and really value their fans because they had to earn them one by one. They didn't just make their account and instantly have 1M subs. Does that mean they actually care about each viewer individually? No, you literally can't. It's impossible when there's that many people watching you. But there is a small sense that most of them really do want to be actually interacting and engaging with their viewers, rather than just saying "Hey thanks for the $100. Next."

>>726522
Most of this is from their streams, Miko bullied and unemployed because of voice/tongue, Haachama bullied into eating bugs at school and ignored by her parents, Okayu big autistic catto in public until Korone's grooming boosted her confidence, Pekora autistic hikikomori, Korone scary anti-social until meeting other streamers and conflicting feelings for Okayu, Senchou wageslave lonely weirdo, Kanata deaf in one ear, Coco ignored weirdo turned bitch

>>730599
>Used to

>>721552

>>730599
IronMouse is a bedridden 4'8" Puerto Rican girl who has a completely compromised immune system and can't leave her house at all. She clearly used to be able to be much more active, as she has stories of going to school and family events and stuff, but over time her condition got worse. I'm pretty sure she was completely bedridden before she started streaming.

Melody essentially was entirely created to be a Chaturbate streamer and created a big shitstorm when she made a ton of money in her first streams, more than most other girls on the site ever did. I'm fairly sure she slowly transitioned into non-porn streams because it was just as lucrative. Also, I'm nearly 100% sure she's autistic.

Korone is a friendless westaboo, but I think we've all learned that basically none of the Hololive girls actually have any friends IRL. That seems to generally be a reason why "older" girls get into streaming in the first place.

>>721484
same
I love my captain

>>719742
>Their discord must look like a support group.
If you piece together the comments they've all made, the Hololive private Discord is just a constant back and forth of people apologizing to each other and assuming everyone else hates them or is mad about something.

In fact, I'd probably wager most all of the girls are too shy, nervous, or just introverted to actually have public-channel conversations (outside of sharing links to art) at all, and everything is just done in DMs.

>>719715
Is not hours. Is 3 times a week. They can stream less than an hout divide a stream in 3 parts a day and are fine.
Many of these girls took this as a side job. But it seems to be so comfortable and good they go fulltime.

>>704926
>Amelia
yeah, at first it was like "I'm gonna tease the fuckers, then Imma roast them and we'll have a good laff", but now is more like she is slowly slipping into real GFE territory

>>732426
This is one of my favorite narratives.
It's not even a rrat, it's a cleaner than that.

>>732477
Korone routinely does 8-10 hour streams, but often up to 20+. She literally asked her manager if she was allowed to stream for an entire weekend straight. So if she ever considered it part-time, that was years ago.

Almost all of the JP girls have said, at least initially, that streaming was a side job to them but they ended up quitting other work to stream full time. Subaru specifically said she stopped working part time to just stream, and I'm gonna go on a limb and guess you don't go to dance lessons and visit the studio for all-day 3D collabs, and prepare for live concerts and stuff, while also being a waitress on the side.

everytime i accidentally look at the chat for a stream i literally get physical whiplash from how fucking cringe everyone is
i can't imagine they think highly of their fans

>>719811
Shion yo...

>>732572
>She literally asked her manager if she was allowed to stream for an entire weekend straight.
The best part of that story was that her manager said "Sure, sounds good!" and Korone thought "Oh, so I guess they won't stop me".

>>731321
Neither are people who apply to hololive

>>733054
I agree, I was more talking to the everyone has a sob story point. I wouldn't compare them (or anon) to actual normal people. Certainly the girls mental illness is similar the ones that you can find here.

>>733009
Yeah, it's honestly hard to get a read on her. Again, I've been a streamer, I've done 24-hour streams, and they are fucking taxing. So for her to have absolutely nothing else to deal with/worry about, and be ready and willing to strap in for multiple days of streaming, it's clear she absolutely loves what she does. That's kind of why I like Korone the best, because nothing about her seems to be a put-on or a character, she's literally just being exactly the person she wants to be and streaming lets her do that comfortably enough that she doesn't have to pander or pretend. You don't sit down and just decide to bust out a 20 hour completion of Assassin's Creed or an SNES RPG unless you love doing it.

I think a lot of the girls like what they do, but Korone is one the seems to absolutely love it, possibly to an unhealthy degree.

>>733424
>nothing about her seems to be a put-on or a character
Actually feels the opposite to me, even though I love her a lot.
Korone is extremely hard to read for me when she's in her loud streamer persona. I know she's way smarter and sharper than she lets on so I can't tell when she pretends to be dumb or surprised or actually is because it sometimes feels like she has chat wrapped around her finger. Her sarcasm just hides in plain sight and she weaves jokes into non jokes that you can't tell what is what.

There's often a point in her long streams or more chill chat streams where she drops it and you can clearly feel her being relaxed and genuine. Those are my favourite parts of her streams.

But I don't know if Korone is just too big brained for me to understand or if I'm being a schizo.

>>733424
Eh anon.. I like to watch her but she definitely feels like one of the more put on characters. Her korone voice is like 4 octaves higher than her regular streaming voice from her past life

>>733781
She’s a smart woman! She went to Tokyo U.

>>733947
I'm almost certain that Tokyo U was supposed to be a joke.

>>719254
Yeah Ame is clearly a femoid who panders to people she is disgusted by in real life

>>733994
She’s so smug sometimes but I believe it’s public record that she did attend

>>721660
>>731729
Wasn't Subaru homeless and living off stale bread for a while?

>>734222
Her house burned down, I don't know if she ever said why specifically. I think that was while she was in school/just after school, and she was living in an apartment with her family and working jobs to save money. I seem to remember her saying she ate food from work, but I could be wrong.

>>733424
>>733781
>>733911
She's literally imitating the comedians she watches on TV, that's why she does the loud voice and cute into scary/abusive gag.

The thing I hate about these discussion is there's always an influx of black pilled faggots like "lmao u think someone can have fun playing games and interacting with fans fucking retard simp literally no streamer ever in history does that lmao"

>>721552
>The best policy to have in life is never support a woman financial (or really emotionally) who isn't a blood relative or giving you pussy. I don't even sub or turn ad block off.
Same, I'm just here for the free entertainment. The kind of cash people throw at streamers boggles my mind.

>>734590
No one thinks they don’t have fun faggot. This is about whether or not they think fondly of their fan base of social rejects

>>706033
I think Korone just legit loves playing video games, doing it as a vtuber is just a bonus.

>>704225
All they see is some desperate virgins unable to socially interact which they can squeeze dry of $.

You're being played anon.

>>734807
Probably not "love" all things considered, but more of a form or escapism against an increasing situation of despair and desperation within the greater scope of her life, where things are being neglected and falling apart.

She literally cannot stop streaming because if she does, she will have to eventually face the reality that is her life. The show. must. go. on.

>>734928
Wow, she's just like everyone else

>>735021
Honestly? Yes. Marine said she does nothing these days other than Hololive or read BL. Peko, Aqua and Rushia are hikki NEETs in their day to day life who cannot function in society otherwise. Most simply face the time of their life passing by, their real life baggage festering controllably for now but only for so long. Streaming is the singular constant in their life to which they can and must rely on for their human and existential needs.

Meds are to anons as streaming is to these girls.

>>734928
Woah dude, so deep, really makes you think...

>>734928
Relatable.

>>706820
context?

To my understanding its pretty much confirmed that Calli is Demondice Karen, does Karen have a past of not caring about fans?

>>706820
It's not that she dislikes fans, she's just too mature to pretend to be love-struck or suck on toes.

>>711131
Coco?

>>741613
Not her but I guess it's the same shit.
The parasocial relationship's two-way

>>734928
But doctor...I am Pagliacci...

>>704330
>>721484
>watch fat fuck

>>721552
>The best policy to have in life is never support a woman financial (or really emotionally) who isn't a blood relative or giving you pussy. I don't even sub or turn ad block off.
this

https://streamable.com/ut4ah1
I BELIB

>>721552
>simping for blood relatives and pussy
anon...

>>704377
Joining fan discords as an indie is a one-way ticket to getting groomed

>>715752
Pekora's voice, design thats on screen and Minecraft gameplay is great for children imo.

>>719491
Gura

>>719916
BASED DRAGON

>>724581
now this is based

>>721552
I'd extend the emotional support to friends who are girls too, but this man has it figured out

>>712298
>Mori is a failed rapper
nani the fuck?

>>751840
She's youtube rapper

>>719736
>File: coco twitter.png
wew I was not ready

>>724341
sounds very cute

>>721552
You're almost there.

Never support anyone financially or emotionally who wouldn't stick their neck out for yours. Do not trust blood relatives, do not trust people of your race, do not trust people from the same country or community you are from. Only support people who are willing to support you back. This is how you get ahead in life and thrive.

>>752096
I know but last time i've checked she had bretty solid numbers

>>752623
why am I seeing those two prehistoric animals in a board that isn't /a/?

>>752096
Lets see you get at least 10K subs as any kind of musician that isn’t only doing covers, buddy

>>752623
Welcome to sociopathy but you are sadly correct.

>>734928
Okayu did not message me today...

>>718968
>Collect money just by turning the computer on
>It literally falls out of the sky for you
>Impulse buy expensive thing online
>Pay for it by turning on the computer for a few hours
That's how I imagine it. Every unscheduled stream past the 'minimum' to make a living is a response to some sort of incurred expense or as a preparation for a planned one.

>>752786
I've always considered sociopathy a learned response. Most people delude themselves and continue to get hurt and used their entire lives. Some realize that it's all bullshit and adapt to the shitty environment they're in.

>>719254
Someone hook me up with some juicy clips.

>>752623
While true, I've come to associate sociopathy with changs, so you just sound like a chang here

>>753076
>>719254
>>719394
>>719448
>>719352
>>719274
yeah she hates her fans the most
https://streamable.com/dizgm2
https://streamable.com/1gn2au
https://streamable.com/95hl15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpvxXwxRT6w
stop talking about chuubas you don't regularly watch outside of clips you fags

>>719841
Why do people love to assume that these random girls are master liars and manipulators? You realize you share a board with autists who timestamp 50 pages of on-screen interactions, write pregnancy rrats based on casual mentions of snacks, and chart their menstrual cycles to the point they can predict when a stream will get cancelled, right? VODs get archived and cuts get documented. Never before this period of history have mass entertainers had so many of their waking hours documented, analyzed, and argued over. No one can keep up any decent semblance of a web of lies without being ripped apart sooner or later.

>>719254
You people are fucking idiots and are the same kind of moron who reads the headline of an article and just takes it at face value.

>>732939
Probably similar to you but with "But I'm making them smile, so at least I can do this for them". Maybe add some "I wanted to kill myself before, but I'm doing a nice thing here".
t. guy who works with the hearing impaired for low wages just to not crumble under my depression and drown myself

>>704225
They probably like most of their fans but a good portion of them can always be obnoxious fucks that feel more like a nuisance to put up with. I'd guess they received enough media training to be aware that their fans aren't just one homogeneous mass of people but pretty diverse.

>>721552
>The best policy to have in life is never support a woman financial (or really emotionally) who isn't a blood relative or giving you pussy
The harsh truth /vt/ will choose to ignore
Don't get me wrong. I want girls to get money but I'd rather have simps do that. That's why they exist after all.

>>753561
>chart their menstrual cycles
Link?

>>719254
>>753313
You just got baited you fucking retards
Ame is a pre-gamergate teenage /b/tard
Nothing she does or says can be taken seriously.

>>754545
>I was just pretending to be retarded

>>754562
It's literally her

>>754588
I can hear it

>>754588
nevermind I'm the retard, I read your post like you made >>719254

>>754632
It's ok anon it happens

>>704225
V-tubers are actors playing a character, so like actors, there are some who view their fans with disdain and some who like them.

>>714483
I remember Matsuri mentioning long while ago when hololive was smaller that another member came to her and asked what to do about people making lewd comments like 'i got off to you' and matsuri had to tell viewers to not go and say disgusting shit to other vtubers because some of them aren't comfortable with that sort of thing, even though matsuri is fine with it.

Based off how most of them are talked about and how pekora is far more shy irl, I'd assume that it was her who asked for advice.

>>721660
>Matsuri deserves it though, she's toxic as fuck.
Could I get some backstory please?

>>722156
>Do you guys not have friends or something?
My definition of friend has changed a lot lately so i can't say for sure.
But never watched much Ame and i can see why some anons think she despises her fans but i don't think i can confidently say that she does.

>>759960
She cherishes her fans, anyone who watches regularly knows how affectionate and thankful she is

>>732500
I haven't been keeping up with amelia. What has she been doing that is GFE territory?

>>760074
one recent example from last week is her comments she makes post stream like in >>753313 's pic

>>704225
nope
I know a fairly big regular youtuber and he has a mild dislike for his fans
looking at their attention spans in youtube statistics makes you hate them

I hope Magnet actually loves us and come back

>>760006
based, here's a coupon Ame made for her fanbase on NYE

>>731729
>Miko bullied and unemployed because of voice/tongue
Can you link some of the videos that talk about this? Like, in addition to being a streamer, wasn't she working as some small-time idol before she became a holo? Since IIRC that's how she ended up meeting YAGOO and getting scouted.

>>704330
Just watch someone too young to have a real boyfriend

>>706820
Calli strikes me as very "detached" from hololive and its fans. It's like it's just another job for her. A side gig, hustle, youtube channel. She's so soulless

>>721748
She's in her mid 30's, Twitter wasn't a thing when she was in her teens.

Vtuber identities are hidden from the general public right? Does this mean that if you strip their avatar from them, no one will know if they become an hero?
Like, pretend Gura gets her simpbucks yanked from under her feet and ther alt gets burned. As far as the coroners are concerned, she's just another dead neet right?

>>761645
>Vtuber identities are hidden from the general public right?
Is this bait?

>>705989
I had a vtuber of that size let me get very close and while it was a great time for a few weeks, it soon became problematic and they ended up blocking me, not because of bad blood, but because they weren't sure how to deal with their own feels and to prevent incoming big issues since we both couldn't help but reply to each other. I wouldn't have crossed too far myself because of reasons I can't say, but that was a weird experience.

>>732572
But.... her children

>>715723
>>714016
What condition does she even have? All I heard was about about how fucked her life is because of it, never the actual diagnosis.

>>761645
The IRS definitely knows.

>>719254
I feel like it's the opposite. She feels like a memelord who has a fun relationship of her fans where they make fun of each other. She makes fun of her fans and fans make fun of her whenever she says something odd. It's all in good fun.

>>763101
You really have to hate your fans to read their stupid comments for 6-8 hours every weekend.

>>763120
The only real negativity to her fans I've noticed are rare moments when she can get frustrated. I remember she was playing LA Noire and she got confused by how a question was phrased and the chat insisted it made sense and was easy to understand and she kinda snapped at them a little.

>>761645
Gura's a poor example because senzawa