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>Just debut more waves

>> No.71599487

>>71598857
thing about ACCELERATE is, eventually there will be no one left to ACCELERATE (either no one will want to audition or the ones joining are of the lowest calibre). And the best part? Riku will never realize that heh.

>> No.71600457

>>71598857
Anyone who joins Nijisanji after all the Selen shit deserves everything they get. You would have to be an absolute moron to join at this point

>> No.71601167

goal livers 2434

>> No.71601362

>>71598857
Trust the process. Riku knows what he's doing.

>> No.71601365

>>71600457
Hell, anyone who saw what happened to Zaion (even before the document drop) should have already picked up on how the company will treat you

>> No.71601534

>>71600457
>>71601365
But what if I try to explicitly gamble for the pity grift?

>> No.71601668

You see, Killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their limit and shut down.

>> No.71601713

>>71601534
Have you seen nu-Kyo's CCV?

>> No.71601898

>>71601713
No, and I hope nobody else ever does, either. He needs to die off and become a 1view until he leaves completely.

>> No.71602489

I blame this motherfucker for accelerating the VTubing saturation

>> No.71602579

>>71601898
Based and factual

>> No.71602955

>>71601534
it's not even worth that anymore. Anyone who quits has to pay back money for over a fucking year worth to whatever the approximate income was for videos, merch, etc. Even if you take the pity points buff, he's already shot you in the foot basically

>> No.71609893

>>71602955
I guess they did the year thing to discourage grifters

>> No.71610802

>>71609893
They did it to stem the bleeding after Nina and Mysta showed that you could just leave Niji and remain successful elsewhere. (Yugo was all but terminated, Zaion actually was terminated)

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>>71598857

>> No.71617969

>>71601534
>Hey Anon, we need you to record a black screen stream for us
Ain't worth the gamble.

>> No.71618824

>>71598857
>debut more waves
i see niggersanji learned nothing

>> No.71620228
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>>71600457
What you get is fame at the price of a struggle. If you start indie, you're crawling out of the primordial ooze hoping to evolve into something. While joining a popular black company instantly grants you legs and for a start at least 6 or so finanas of viewers, before the drop off. Then you can quit and take at least 1 finana worth of loyal viewers with you. Which is already above the average indie's 1-2 years of streaming.

It's a grift company and if you join you're doing it to grift them yourself. Aspiring vLadies take notes.

>> No.71621870
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71621870

you guys are underestimating the boss too much, he made nijisanji jp, id, kr and en a successful vtubing company. he CAN make the en branch good again after the drama dies down. i believe in the boss to get the job done, if anyone can do it and get the en branch rise in ccv with good recruits and smart advertising, its my man riku tazumi.

>> No.71623360

>>71621870
>Names several brands that got shut doen “successful”
I’m gonna just believe you forgot the /s at the end becaise this can’t even be delusional. The only thing he will be successful is buying a villa in Spain for retirement and get the hell out if he’s smart.

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>>71621870
I hope the only job he gets done is seppuku.

>> No.71623816

>>71621870
post tits millie

>> No.71623917

>>71598857
What if they graduate lazusydia as a ruse and redebut them as a new gen.

>> No.71624014

>>71623917
This is so retarded it's almost possible they'll do it

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71624055

>>71623917
Anon, I-

>> No.71630375

>>71613086
KEK

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>>71598857
i was about to ask if this guy was retarded, but he looks retarded, so i'm gonna assume he is

>> No.71630600

>>71601365
this

>> No.71637794

>>71598857
>>Just debut more waves
it just works

>> No.71644754

>>71598857
Fucking retard

>> No.71645438

>>71621870
nice bait.

>> No.71645767

Everyone is on their way out, NijiEN is a black company.

>> No.71651946

>>71598857
Problem solved.

>> No.71653848

>>71624055
Are they adding another wave?

>> No.71658271

>>71598857
good luck

>> No.71658350

>>71613086
>selen is the bakhmut of vtubing

>> No.71659319

Niji should leverage their contracts and force their existing organs to pick up more characters. They could add a few more waves this way and bolster the Nijisanji Family. This would also mean they get to go through the graduation queue twice before leaving the company.

>> No.71659545

>>71620228
This, but also is their latest gen even managing 6 finanas of viewers? Last I checked vivi was on 3.

>> No.71659673

>>71602955
>Anyone who quits has to pay back money for over a fucking year worth to whatever the approximate income was for videos
>Retard actually believes this
You really think Dokibird or anyone else for that matter is paying them shit? How do you think they would even go about claiming that anon? Use your head a little. You can still grift this shit easy.

>> No.71659740

>>71621870
Pretty accurate Mille LARP anon, 8/10.

>> No.71659883

>>71653848
Retard that is them with new name.

>> No.71660642

>>71600457
i mean i would join, but it would be completely out of self-interest. would mostly disregard any management decisions i dont agree with. any bullying or harassment and it favors me. its not even gonna be about the money while im in there, i can just coast and then when they fire me im gonna decry being mistreated. very simple.

>> No.71660971

>>71600457
The thing is the will be fags who want to become somebody from a nobody who has 2 digit view streams.
those people consider having a 3 digit audience as a success even if their base is filled with retards.

>> No.71660994

>>71598857
Niji is literally a vtuber gacha, riku pulls the wave banner and hopes for a 2% SSR vtuber. If there isn't one there is always another wave next month.

>> No.71661037

>>71600457
Not if u want come of that clique dragussy

>> No.71661063

>>71660994
Don't humanise him it's making me have some sympathy as a gacha gamer.

>> No.71661186

>>71598857
Didn't he basically confirm in the investors' meeting that there's a new EN wave debuting by the end of March?
If so, it will be another TTT except even worse.

>> No.71661284

>>71598857
Studio or Yatch lol

>> No.71663169

>>71599487
Do not sell! Do not worry dear stockholders, Niji will never run dry, for Riku himself will debut in 2D and use his newly reinforced meme clout as the beloved niji supreme leader to save the day.

>> No.71663186

>>71661063
Gacha gamers deserve no sympathy.

>> No.71663386
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>>71659883
>Petra got forced into grouping up with the clique
Welp, it's over...

>> No.71663596

>>71663386
Forced? How naive. That's just an official version of "NijiUK".

>> No.71663680

>>71598857
>ducky the "vtuber journalist" retweeted this
roru

>> No.71663809

But will it work ? the spamming new livers meta ? Riku will probably gain a lot of profit, since when livers are new and people donate to them more and then when they fall off just kick them ? like a farm.

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>>71600457
>You would have to be an absolute moron to join at this point
I think a lot of you dramatards fail to understand that this won't cause anyone to not apply.
People work for jobs they don't like all the time. This isn't a new or foreign concept.
Do you think the fag working a McDonald's Drive Thru LOVE McDonald's and wants to be there his whole life? Fuck no, obviously not, but he needs money.

This applies to Niji. You don't HAVE to LOVE Niji. Pomu Selen and Nina don't LOVE Niji (at least not more than Holo) and they were some of the biggest ones. But I'd rather be in Niji with some sort of audeince and money than a 2view with no money or working a minimum wage with no audience at all.
Scarle is the perfect example honestly. She just is in her own space and does her own thing, and occassionally branches out to the others. I doubt she LOVES Niji, but she's getting paid (pretty sure the most in all of Niji) and has an audience and is removed from all the bullshit.
And if we wanna take it further, there will be people applying with the "I can save Niji/be the next Pomu" mentality.

>tl;dr
No, the idea that no one will apply anymore is just ridiculous. Especially when the chance of getting in other company is nearly impossible

>> No.71665596

>>71664958
And absolute retardness goes to…(You)!
Your logic would be sound if this worked as a job that you need a company to do it, but in reality it does not. All you have to do is look at NijiJP, where this 100+ livers has become the norm. Most of them don’t even stream, are bound by ridicolous rules, and barely get to 3digits and infinitesimal gain that are mostly taken by the company.
This concept has repeated itself ad nauseam. We had the hollywood starlet system in the west and the idol companies in the east.

You know what was the only thing making people apply? Exposition gain. But joining Niji right now does the opposite, there are people openly begging gheir favourite to come out of there.
Riku is completely failing to understand that you can’t just vomit content until it hits, even hollywood is doing ghat right now and it’s downsizing instead of growing. If the biggest shit in the west can’t make it work, what makes you think a niche from the east will?

>> No.71665954
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71665954

>>71665596
1. Learn English
2. All the "begging" happens on /vt/ and no one cares what's said here regardless of how you want to cope.
>Riku is completely failing to understand that you can’t just vomit content until it hits
That's always been the model, and people will always apply.
Again, you're being willfully ignorant if you're going to SERIOUSLY act like NO ONE is gonna apply to NijiEN after all of this. Just because (YOU) don't like Niji doesn't mean there still aren't hundreds of thousands who do, and those who do will apply.
This is just a fact, you don't have to like it, you can think people who still apply are dumb, you can think they're drones, and you wouldn't be wrong, but that doesn't make the fact that people will still apply untrue.

In short, you (and many others) just don't like Niji and don't want to think realistically because of your hateboner

>> No.71666409

>>71664958
Nta but your logic works for any industry but not an entertainment one, they are first and foremost performers(they sell their voice, their "personality", skill). If your company begins to treat you like shit then first thing that gets hit by that is motivation. I can without motivation go and work autopilot as cashier in mcdonalds, but man i don't understand how can you fake your enthusiasm after getting shit on many times by your management, it WILL affect your streams.
Look at Aster for example or Finana, they are checked out, one of them streams league stream#9231 other one genshin#52321 and viewers see that so they leave. And after they leave its really hard to get them back. They have no motivation to become better. Yeah Scarle is still holding strong but how long do you think it can last? Niji is a factory that crushes your dreams after giving you branding. Yeah it maybe worked years ago but now when you see new people in niji getting literally no profit you really need to reconsider if it is worth it to join this agency and not some small one with less rules.

>> No.71666736

>>71666409
>Nta but your logic works for any industry but not an entertainment one
No, it very much works for an entertainment one. You don't have to love Niji to do shit in it. You can do the bare minimum and check out easily like you explained and still be doing fine for yourself. And you can do shit with people outside of Niji and make connections.
You keep acting like no one will apply if they don't like Niji when I'm pretty sure Claude in the newest Niji wave basically admitted he doesn't know anything about the previous groups in NijiEN.
And no, if you are disconnected and don't care and know things are shit it won't effect your streams because one would just ignore it.

How hard is it for you you to believe that someone/multiple people will apply to a job they don't like to just benefit themselves and potentially even fuck off later? It happens all the time in every single field.

>> No.71666882

>>71666736
>Claude
Kek
Do your reps

>> No.71666925

>>71666736
>Claude
Dude...

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>No one will Apply to Niji
Nigger I would happily to Niji, flirt with the girls, maybe fuck Millie's small asian ass, become friends with other big vtubers behind the scenes, and play league all the time for free money. Are you all fucking retarded?

>> No.71667396

>>71667054
Nah i mean i still agree that people will still try to get into niji, but the pool is now significantly smaller because people with low 3 views will think twice before applying now. The main problem was and still is the management that burns every creative endeavor to the ground. Yeah if you are another league streamer#3213 that just wants to play games for a little more people than 10-50 as your indie acc(but as i remember they still prioritise high view hires+nepo) then you will be fine playing same game for 2 years while your viewership and earnings slowly crumble and then you jump ship back to indie. Niji is NOT for creative people that is for sure

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>>71667396
>Niji is NOT for creative people that is for sure
Yea it's for people trying to fuck tight millie ass (me)

>> No.71667806

>>71667694
Hope you will get in soon, good luck

>> No.71667927

>>71598857
>there are still fans

>> No.71667973

>>71667396
Additionally, most of Niji's recent hires have been people with fat PLs; people coming from that sort of background are strongly disincentivized from joining now, turning it into a 2view tossup for relevance.

>> No.71667996

>>71665954
Nta, but the post that started this argument did say that whoever joins at this point would have to be stupid, not that literally no human on the planet earth would ever apply to work for niji again.

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>>71667054
Based and Sexpest pilled
I'm going for Scarle and Finana (since Nina is gone)

>> No.71668705

>>71665954
>All the "begging" happens on /vt/
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
>no one cares what's said here
so you haven't gone out of here since 5th feb huh

>> No.71668767

>>71668705
>so you haven't gone out of here since 5th feb huh
Sorry I don't use your normalfag sites anon
You gonna start advertising sheddit now?

>> No.71668846

>>71668767
So you were talking out your ass all along?

>> No.71669109

>>71664958
>>71665954
>>71666736
>all these excuses
NDF retards really do have shit for brains. Imagine shilling a such a shitty black corpo that treats its staff like trash, has a severe case of favoritism, and gets into drama often.
>>71667054
>>71667694
Get lost, Millie Parfaggot.

>> No.71672038

>>71598857
IKZ

>> No.71674610

>>71598857
accelerated graduation

>> No.71674967

>>71664958
>comparing a shitty burger flipping job with a contract that locks you out and attempts to force you to pay thousands
Stopped reading after the first line break, kill yourself.

>> No.71675300

>>71674967
retard

>> No.71676292

>>71621870
Dude needs to trim the fat from EN and focus on their actual good members. And boy does EN have a lot of fat to trim. Push my boy Vanta into the spotlight, dude's a great streamer.

>> No.71676619

>>71676292
Dude just wants to debut more streamers, in the Q&A he talked about doubling down despite it not working and causing EN to be unprofitable

>> No.71676653

>>71676619
Kunai would've made more money working in a Walmart.

>> No.71677166

How much do you think the JP branches hate the dumb foreigner branch tanking their company?

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>>71663169

>> No.71677426

>>71667054
>Millie's small asian ass
nice bait.

>> No.71678346

>>71664958
Trust a Nijisister to belittle people who work in the service industry. Mjst go hand in hand with treating their talents like shit. What a toxic community.

>> No.71678389

>>71678346
Learn English

>> No.71678896

>>71665954
>2. No one cares
Yet the rrats who were pissed off with the bullying of your own talents managed to destabilise the actual business because they are all idiots who form opinions being /here/. Rrats who compiled evidence of past transgressions for mass consumption.

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>>71678896
>Using rrats a group of people
?????????????????????????????
Is this some sort of newfag misinterpretation or something? You do know "rrats" isn't a group of people, right?

>> No.71679138

>>71679048
The whole Niji drama was unironically /vt/'s version of the 2016 election for /pol/.
A fuck ton of new eyes and posters flooded here.

>> No.71679290

>>71678389
Typo but get enternally mogged loser. There is still a group actively scheming to see the end of days. Niji can't hold off graduations indefinitely. Bad news is always on the horizon starting with the stocks in 24 hours. You don't have childish antis this time.

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>>71598857
>Just send more men

>> No.71679446

>>71679138
Well blame Niji for that. We could had a normal 2024 but thet can’t keep shitting on themselves and sadly are not based in USA where they would be dismantled by now, but behind a wall of japanese cucks thinking slavery is a-ok.

>> No.71679462

>>71679048
Anyone who formed a coherent theory on why NijiEN is so fucked in the head since Pomu's graduation announcement.

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4 hours 25 minutes....

>> No.71679543

>>71679462
>
Yea, that's not what "rrats" means. At least all you tourists are calling yourselves something that easily identifies you.
Fucking hell.

>> No.71679737

>>71679515
Their floor is 1800 this time right. Holofes is a massacre for them. Average investors would see the difference of the competition so vividly. It's probably the worst time of the year they could decline.

>> No.71679860

>>71679543
>
The fuck is that supposed to be?

>> No.71680026

ACCELERATE

>> No.71680066

>>71679737
1951, not 1800. They can't go that low until Tuesday. They would have gone that low on Friday if not for the circuit breaker.
Thursday's close was 3140, so the Friday limit was +-700; Friday's close was 2451, so today's limit is +-500 (the floor is 1951); and if they close under 2000 today, Tuesday's limit will be +-400.

>> No.71680122

Imagine supporting a Black Company and getting told off by the entire vtubing community. Shameful.

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>>71598857

>> No.71680273

>>71680066
How long under 3000 before Riku bails like his other past businesses. Some rrat thought a year and a half if there were signs of slow recovery they could milk everyone dry.

>> No.71680431

>>71598857
if i was riku id be thinking how to take profits and step down tee bee aytch
or get someone competent to do EN, branch it off separately, and just focus on my JP profits then maybe exit

>> No.71680505

>>71598857
A good way to regain trust would be to address the bullying allegations regarding their EN branch or in the very least to privately take corrective measures

>> No.71680568

>>71679737
https://www.jpx.co.jp/english/equities/trading/domestic/06.html
Below 3000, the daily price limit changes to ±500¥. On Friday, Anycolor dropped to 2451¥, so the new limit will be 1951¥. The fireworks start at 5PM PDT/8PM EDT.
Also, NijiEN holds their branchwide meetings on Mondays (North America time), so keep an eye out for the liver reaction to that.

>> No.71680594

>>71680273
The longer he waits to bail, the less he'll get from bailing. Pump-and-dump schemes generally don't work when the stock drops to the "Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further" line within the first five minutes of trading, especially when that happens after the pump but before the dump.

>> No.71680659

>>71680568
Will they drop this month's white paper tonight at 3am PDT?

>> No.71680783

>>71679737
I actually thought about that too while watching some stills from the Petra 3D. Imagine this, how long has she been there? Then you can stack up the Holofestival's and their improvement over the years - against it. We used to laugh at how Cover's 3DLive was not as good, but now they've gotten there slow and steady, with other things to show for it as well. Then take investors, who know little about any of these details, they wonder what the fuck is going on, they read up, get insight into the drama. Then they see Cover show up with that big event, and the contrast really sinks in.

>> No.71680808

>>71598857
>Just debut more waves
Unironically this.
There is no need for "recovering trust" as there was no trust lost whatsoever. Those faggots shitting on niji are just holonigs falseflagging as "ex-niji fans".

>> No.71680884

>>71680808
Whatever helps you cope Sis, we are laughing at you for a reason. But if delusion helps you get through the shame, then so be it.

>> No.71680899

>>71680505
The HQ chose their side and its too late to change public opinion. The opinions of stakeholders and potential recruits that is. You have to do serious schlicking to be a part of the clique and also be self aware the guys take priority. Also any new gen are going to be filled with like minded bitches so they won't have your back just pure toxic gens. If you are too friendly like TTT you don't get support till 6 months in. Nice people finish last and want out imprisoned without paying exit fines.

>> No.71681016

>>71680884
>HOLOSEETHE

>> No.71681056

>>71663596
>That's just an official version of "NijiUK"
>NijiUK
What?

>> No.71681068

i can't wait to see the quality of the talent they can scrape up

>> No.71681100

>>71598857
>Investing in real estate to regain confidence
No, you do that when you fear hard times might be ahead. Just look at old car giants and silicon valley doing the same this very moment.

>> No.71681240

>>71681068
They might actually get someone decent for the next EN wave! (if that someone signed their contract on or before Feb 4)

>> No.71681783

>>71600457
Nijisanji releases a steady number of vtubers so it's much easier to get in than Hololive. Their new livers might not become millionaries but they still make enough that even with the company's toxic reputation their will always be plenty of applications from 2view indies.

>> No.71681971

>>71681056
It's not about UK as in British, it stood for something like "Unbelievably Kracked" or something of the sort. Point being it's so retarded as can be.

>> No.71682014

>>71680808
True. All those investors that dumped their stock? Planted by Cover for a time like this. REAL investors are buying up all the cheap shares because they know it's about to shoot to 5k when they announce Q4 as the best quarter they have ever had. I'm sure you are too, since it's easy money.

>> No.71682193

>>71681783
If their old hiring logic holds they are looking to get people with +100k subs and if they can't find thous they just delay or cancel the whole wave. That happened to Niji "gamers" wave.

NIJISANJI isn't looking for 2 view nobodies to grow them up, they are looking for people with following that they can try to add to their fanbase.

>> No.71682349

>>71682193
So... what, high 3 to low 4 views?
Don't those kinds of people already make way more than Victoria/Kunai?
And that's not even going into the inherent downsides of any corpo, plus the specific downsides of Kurosanji.

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>>71621870
>Now comes the fall
>sistas still cope instead of prep

>> No.71682707

>>71682349
Well as I said if they try to go by what they have done in the past. Nowadays it might be impossible to find anything but nameless talents who want to join for instant clout, but that is what they might need to do cos Riku isn't most likely going to give them any more time hold real onboarding and training.

Q3 year to date EN sunk 40% and the real "Selen shock" is 3 months away now. They have very little time to make any moves.

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>>71598857
Next wave!

>> No.71682888

>>71621870
Fuck off Petra.

>> No.71682894

>>71624055
>reheating leftovers
The sad state of kurosanji.

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>>71664958
Your post would make sense if indies joining CCV went up not down, some are getting even less viewer as their PL, it has happened many times already.

>> No.71683052

>>71682976
>It happened many times, so many times that I can't provide 1 singular time!
Ok

>> No.71683089

>>71621870
Iwanaga was the one that made Niji great, and the far more visible staff icon in the early part of Nijisanji's rise.

>> No.71683232

>>71624055
Further proof Rosemi is clean. She wants nothing to do with this shit.
She's going to get her 3D as a gift to her fans and then she's going to get out squeaky clean, so she can return to her promised place.

>> No.71683254

>>71683052
Feel free to show us all the times it's happened at Hololive.

>> No.71683345

>>71683052
You know full well any proof will result in a ban for bringing up PL info - nice try sister.

>> No.71683465
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>>71679515
>4 hours 25 minutes....

>> No.71683787
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Tick tock sisters.

>> No.71683984

>>71683345
You dont even have to name a PL, just say the name of the vtubers

>> No.71684320
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>>71683787
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXuy-5Wu4ZA

>> No.71685743

So what's going to be the angle if/when anycolor stock drops below cover? because so far they've blindly hammered that as being anycolor beating cover

>> No.71686204

>>71685743
Try and start shit between Hololive and Phase/Vshojo in the catalog like they always do.

>> No.71687487

Grim, having a black corpo chuuba as an oshi sounds like a wretched existence

>> No.71687878

>>71679515
i bought the dip. gonna be a millionaire soon when i sell at 5000

>> No.71687976
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>>71683787
God I hope it's a day to remember

>> No.71688605

>>71683052
Kunai's ccv roughly halved after joining Nijisanji.

>> No.71688804

>>71688605
That might be the only case, though. Even Vivi in the same wave saw an increase in CCV. I'm not sure about any others - especially the males because I don't care to know about them at all.

>> No.71690310

>>71683232
>Further proof Rosemi is clean

What is this cope? She retweeted Elira's tweet, she will never be clean. The only truly pure EN talent is Scarle.

>> No.71691273
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>>71682894
Not exactly. What they did was rip off Holopromise which was announced exactly a month prior.

>> No.71691285

>>71683787
How long until it opens?

>> No.71691439

>>71681783
>Nijisanji releases a steady number of vtubers so it's much easier to get in than Hololive
this, though it should be obvious considering that people as untalented as pomu and selen were considered "pillars" of their respective branches. the standards for niji are way lower, it's a much better deal if you specifically want to grift vtuber fans

>> No.71691831

>>71598857
"We believe that there are still fans...."
He's really not smart to reply like that. Reminded of Vox.

>> No.71691864

>>71691285
49 minutes

>> No.71692822

In one hour NijiEN will be dead.

>> No.71692919

>>71692822
it can't die all these people need to stay in it instead of flooding the indie market

>> No.71693208

Is this the stealth Niji stocks thread?

>> No.71693270

>>71692919
Nah it's fine. Nijisanji may have failed as a containment branch, but Twitch will succeed as a containment platform.

>> No.71693363

>>71692822
Realistically, Anycolor keeps making good profit, the company itself isn't in trouble, Riku's ass is. Missing growth target =/= being in the red.

>> No.71693540

>>71683787
25 minutes left! better start making a thread for the watchalong cuz i'm not going to

>> No.71693732

>>71693540
>watchalong
It'd be an 8 second crash. The only waiting time we'll have is for the computer to boot up.

>> No.71693736

>>71600457
>be 2view indie
>join nijisanji EN
>network outside of the nijisphere like Selen did
>10-100x your following
>graduation/termination in 1 year
>retain a large chunk of your fanbase
>profit
I don't see a problem with this strat. Niji EN has so many livers now that you can get away with not interacting with the clique

>> No.71693780

>>71693363
This, Anycolor tanking in the stock market won't be the end of the company. But it could potentially be the end of its current leadership

>> No.71693995

>>71693780
not a bad outcome either

>> No.71694015

>>71693208
Doesn't seem like it, maybe you should bake some niji stock thread here on /vt/

>> No.71694662

>>71694015
Jannies deleted the last one, and will delete any that specifically about the stock price.
There's this one, or potentially this one >>71589019

>> No.71694745

5 minutes bros let's GO

>> No.71694932

>>71694745
>>71694015
I wonder if that nip stock bro will stream again

>> No.71695002

>>71694932
He is streaming again
https://www.youtube.com/live/ZMU-ZtBVIk8?si=xEAbYA7CQIvxOVFd

>> No.71695084
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>> No.71695128
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let's go

>> No.71695143

It's time.

>> No.71695195

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwGHiicMNvA

>> No.71695259

its timeu

>> No.71695422

>>71695128
New bread?

>> No.71695432

>>71695002
thank you anon

>> No.71695453
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UH OH

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nijisisters sweating right now.

>> No.71695528

>>71695453
uhhhh is that a sell order of 369,800? holyshito

>> No.71695540

>>71695128
Too bad it not 2234 (ninisanji) yet :/.

>> No.71695567

Imagine if this bitch circuit breaks two days in a row KEK

>> No.71695580
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>>71695540
it hit 2434 tho

>> No.71695617

>>71695528
no, that means there are 369,800 sell orders above 2,247 yen

>> No.71695688

>>71695567
That will be end of anycolor...
I hope it get to 2001- 2100 today.
So it can drop below 1500 tomorrow

>> No.71695709

>>71695128
I don't think it will fall that much today. It will also bounce back slowly until next report (then it will crash and burn)

>> No.71695727

>>71695598
Perfect.

>> No.71695739

stockbros are we hitting the new drop cap again?

>> No.71695781
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So what is everyone listening while watching
https://youtu.be/iGwMmu-wv9c?si=6l5V_jb-Hgss6vU7

>> No.71695817

>>71695739
Unlikely by the looks of it

>> No.71695824

>>71695709
I also don't think it'll crash and burn again, Niji was super lucky to have the weekend for the panicking to abate somewhat

>> No.71695864

>>71695598
>the meme buy order is unironically saving it for a few minutes

>> No.71696093

Where can I watch the stocks live?

>> No.71696157

>it didn't fall out instantly to 1951
vt sold me smoke...

>> No.71696164

>>71696093
already posted itt

>> No.71696243

>>71696093
>>71589019

>> No.71696263

>>71696093
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMU-ZtBVIk8

He flips between various stocks, when 5032 is up that's Anycolor.

>> No.71696489
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71696489

Dipbros, we're winning!

>> No.71696497

Anycolor hasn't moved from 2448 for nearly 15 minutes now, how can see the sell and buy orders ?

>> No.71696570

>>71696489
delayed lol

>> No.71696571

>>71696489
2429 right now

>> No.71696646

https://finance.yahoo.co.jp/quote/5032.T?term=1d

currently at 2427

>> No.71696733

>>71695864
This prove nijisanji is meme stock

>> No.71696747

>>71695688
It can only fall 500 a day right now. So if it hits 2001-2100 then tomorrow it can only be 1501-1600.

>> No.71696778

>>71696489
I actually expected an immediate crash, Im surprised that there are still buyers.
Isn't it a 36% 41% ratio?

>> No.71696827
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71696827

It's Nijiover...

>> No.71696886

>>71696778
This is dip buying most likely. It's down a little but I guess the Riku made calls over the weekend and managed to save the company.

>> No.71696914

Dipped to 2419 and it looks like more sell orders are on the way
looks like a few retards bought in thinking it would go up, but it's still sinking despite the buy orders

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>>71695781
If I could wish 8th MS Team out of existence to get an F91 series or an adaptation of any of the Zeta side stories in its place, I would so do it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5D-OujE9Y_g

>> No.71696979

>>71598857
Of course, but just remember, anons said it was literally not possible that they could debut more gens. Literally not possible and if they tried nobody would audition. All you have to do is wait and reality will come in slowly smacking hyperbolic dipshits left and right.
Eventually you will see them all making up excuses to support the new gens, just as predicted.

>> No.71697137

>>71696747
Still better than dropping to 19xx and lower the circuit breaker.

>> No.71697148

>>71696914
Desperate shortsellers maybe? it seems friday was the big investors leaving what caused the drop.

>> No.71697171

>>71599487
Yeah, they were all such high caliber before lmao.

>> No.71697191

>>71696263
what does that -800kYen means? that's like 5.5k dollars

>> No.71697236

>>71600457
Could have said the exact same thing before Selen debuted. So, you should say, she deserved everything she got.

>> No.71697424

Looks like they were pretty lucky that massive drop happened on Friday, investors have short memories and holofes being such a success has made a rising tide that'll raise all ships. Unfortunately we won't be seeing such huge drops again but it was fun while it lasted

>> No.71697443

>>71697148
possibly. I think the crash is being held off for now, considering that the nikkei is on the rise.
It depends on the Nikkei and the short sellers today, IMO.
if the nikkei crashes (it's up 300 rn), then anycolor will see a similar crash.
if the nikkei holds, then it's possible anycolor survives another day
it also depends on if any more big institutions are going to pressure the stock downward, or if any current shareholders are going to mass-sell.

>> No.71697444

>>71696827
I think so

>> No.71697550

>>71697424
>>that’ll raise all ships
>events: 0

>> No.71697575

>>71697424
We aren't even an hour into the day.

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>> No.71697703

Pack it up retards, it's not crashing. You were wrong AGAIN
Just like you said there would be graduation announcements

>> No.71697788

>>71697703
>Vox is still missing

>> No.71697795

this sort of volatility is expected for the opening for a stock that nosedived as spectacularly as this one did, this will likely soon calm and the downfall will continue

>> No.71697797

>>71697703
This, shit is boring now if nijisanji will manage to stay alive.
Guess the weekend really saved their fucking asses

>> No.71697800

>>71697703
now look at those red and blue numbers >>71697583

>> No.71697839

friendly reminder to ignore trolls, any (you)s whatsoever will keep them around

>> No.71697984

>>71598857
Why is it that every time I read about Nijisanji I get a cartoonishly odd and misguided vision of how it's run, I don't even post here or on social media that much, I'm just baffled at how clueless the people behind the scenes appear to be for me.

>> No.71697983

>>71697583
She's doing it, the Penguin's saving her meme uncle's pump and dump!!!

>> No.71698038

>>71697703
>00:39:59
>>71697797
>00:41:27

>> No.71698118

>>71698038
Same grammar too.
mfer thought he was slick.

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>>71695598
HOLY CRAP GUYS IT DID THE THING

>> No.71698250

>>71697800
What do the red and blue numbers mean? Food analogy, if possible.

>> No.71698295
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>no one is buying up the damn stocks

>> No.71698300

>>71698118
I saw those kind of posts for quite time - looks like it's same shitter for fucking months. And probably one of organs or giftcard serf.

>> No.71698313

>>71697583
I wonder if there are investors trying to stabilise it at 2434 for memes. Probably not, but it would be funny.

>> No.71698376

>>71698250
there's a lot of food on the table, but it's like Mcdonalds
so the difference in price for people asking about the food and people trying to sell the food are very minimal.
and the amount of people trying to buy the shitty Mcdonalds is about the same as the people trying to sell it
which means the price is barely budging, but it's still shit.

>> No.71698459

>>71698313
there were some shitters on the yahoo board setting buy orders at 2434 for the meme

>> No.71698539

>>71697703
>It's not crashing
Sister it lost 22% in a day. It's already crashed. All this is just icing on the cake

>> No.71698586

>>71693363
The company is DEFINITELY in trouble. The Selen controversy destroyed their profit margins in the west, and westerners aren't placated by a simple leadership change and a "whoopsie daisy". Japan's their only out, and if you've been paying attention to the Japanese economy, people are about to start having a REALLY hard time spending their money on supas and merch.

>> No.71698622

a few hours until the usual Nijisanji announcement timeslot. If it is something big it can stabilize it further otherwise it will dance in this range. A drop below 2400 would interesting to see.

>> No.71698847

>>71698622
Unless someone is about to graduate, we're not getting anything.

>> No.71699248

>>71697703
I wouldn't start doing victory laps yet, Q4 is the real unavoidable nuke.

>> No.71699256

>>71698847
Or a termination.
Scarle has her 3.0 brushup this weekend, so she's probably not getting sacked before then. Dunno if anyone else is on the chopping block though.

>> No.71699359
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Even /biz/ fags knows the issue.

>> No.71699449

>>71699359
Because the thread was made and linked there by another thread, you retard.

>> No.71699464

>>71699256
uki did recently start a "break"

>> No.71699569

>>71698295
But random poster were saying they would buy cheap, we know nobody lies on the internet.

>> No.71699570

>>71699359
every human on earth can see it except sisters

>> No.71699586

>>71598857
this.

Holoshit literally will lose long term when Nijisanji debuts 100+ waves

>> No.71699697

>>71699248
Setting aside the impending disaster of the upcoming Q4 report, I'm not sure why they view "the stock did not trip the circuit breaker within the first five minute of trading for the second business day in a row" as an achievement worthy of a victory lap.

>> No.71699738

What if it stays at 2,451 the same price where it started?

>> No.71699802

>>71699256
If we ignore every single Q4 yab is still pretty bad they're not streaming, no SC and merch sales will also be lower now PR was a disaster, they spend too much time hiding waiting for people to forget, and investor will start asking questions about the low revenue, the numbers don't lie, unless he cooks the books.

>> No.71699805

there's one guy called sea lover or someshit that is spamming the yahoo board for a few hours now, the guy is absolutely insane kek

>> No.71699856

>>71699738
Then the buy at 2324 for the loz earn some money

>> No.71699920

>>71699586
More waves to the meat grind
>>71699697
>"We still don't have a better plan than send more waves and trust me bro"
Q4 Selen shock + abysmal revenue cannot be ignored by the boomer investors unless they're clinically brain dead.

>> No.71699952

>>71699805
there are like three schizos on the Anycolor yahoo board that have been begging people to buy and claiming a "surge" was coming soon.
they've been at it for hours, and I am dead sure they are astroturfers. it's so blatant, there's no way they're not.
if they're not astroturfers, looks like nijisisters have some company.

>> No.71700186

>>71699952
They're not wrong.
June will absolutely have another surge.

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>>71699952
on the other hand there's also shitposters like this kek

>> No.71700272

>>71699952
I think this is what Chinese called Chive.
Those who dumb enough to buy at peak price before the dump.
My man can't believe he got harvested.

>> No.71700291

>>71698847
>>71699256

There probably won't be any graduations for weeks if not months, because Nijisanji is desperate to appear strong and healthy. I am convinced the Livers are being heavily pressured not to leave and that they are likely pressuring them with threats of lawsuits, financial penalties, blacklisting, general harassment, etc.

>> No.71700335

>>71699802
>they spend too much time hiding waiting for people to forget
So much so it's becoming a problem. At this point Elira's return stream is going to be considered a big deal and if she doesn't have a PR approved apology (as in, from some good PR agencies and not Riku's highschoolers) for the black screen that'd at least placate the masses, the damage might continue.

>> No.71700394

>>71700224
I think the covers corp stock yahoo page has been converted into hololive fan bbs since Saturday.

>> No.71700481

>>71700335
they will pretend nothing happen and delete all messages that try to bring out the problem.
people will eventually forget like they usually do.
Millie streamed and she was implicated as one of te bullies and nothing happened to her or the stream

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>>71700335
trust the plan

>> No.71700548

>>71700335
She may never return to streaming. They could be holding her on ice waiting to terminate her, or they could be planning to just have her show up in collabs and tweet occasionally without ever returning to her channel.

>> No.71700628

>>71700272
If you're playing with stocks you better have a functional brain because it's where the strong eat the weak.

>> No.71700739

>>71700481
If they survive the investors in June.
If they do somehow survive, it's going to be HARD to get them back into the algorithm properly. Their momentum all got put on halt for a month and their accounts are still losing subscribers faster than they're gaining them (something that has to be done manually). Their ccvs and superchats have tanked, and several merch sellers have pulled out and taken a hard stance.
They have a very big hill to climb just to get back to where they were in january. And they just lost their two most beloved female talents

>> No.71700793

Dang, what a let down. I seriously wanted to see something like friday, reaching the cap in a single hour.

How the fuck are they holding THIS well? I mean, if I was an investor I would absolutely not want such a risky stock that would crash to cap in a single hour. Even considering the dip buyers the stock should have been too risky.
Did Riku pull some of his connections to hold it at that range over the weekend?

>> No.71700805

>>71700739
Petra also went from being mostly half and half in terms of JP viewers to having none, which is a fact investors wont know unless explicitly told.

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>>71700481
Well yeah, of course nothing is going to happen when you're hiding behind an 8 week sub chat.

>> No.71700889

>>71700793
People are trying to short it. That's literally it.

>> No.71701015

>>71700481
Most likely, but I think she can still get away with a boilerplate apology. It won't fix anything, but at least it can stop the tide from rising again.
>>71700548
Technically she's in the range where people get terminated, but she's too active on her socials. I expect her to start streaming before the end of this month.

>> No.71701033

>>71700889
Don't shorting require people who would actually buy the risky stock, essentially creating a "I bet face, you bet tails" situation?
I can see retards do it but it still feels quite high

>> No.71701054

>>71700805
None as in JP or EN Viewers?

>> No.71701148

Will it keep climbing?

>> No.71701252

Just spiked up in massive amounts. Clearly, a big institution is buying, because those spikes are almost vertical.
Despite that, it's still only +30, but I'm wondering if this is an attempt to get people to buy and then dump right after.

>> No.71701273

>>71701148
It's dropped again. Probably a day of this.

>> No.71701306

>>71700831
KWAB

>> No.71701364

>>71701054
None as in EN. 400,000 yen was donated in a stream that made a converted 560,000 yen.

>> No.71701397

>>71701148
It sure looks like it. Buy now, anon! This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Q6wWu5ziY

>> No.71701403

>>71701252
More likely that Riku convinced one of his big investors to bail the company out. I figured there would be a good chance of this.

>> No.71701422

>2500
/vt/ lost, nijisanji won

>> No.71701490

>>71701033
Because everyone was so sure it would drop on monday everyone wanted to short it. But because everyone wants to short it the price stays the same. Economy is funny like that.

>> No.71701505

>>71701033
You're watching it happen in real time.

>> No.71701782
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>>71701490
>>71701505
The stock market confuses me in their fickleness and whims.
Truly a cruel mistress

>+2.86%
Got dayum

>> No.71701830

Is Nijisanji currently winning against the odds? Or is it too early to call?

>> No.71701857

>>71700793
Short and meme.
There 2 meme stop for Anycolor
2324 (nijisanji) and 2234 (ninisanji)

>> No.71701863

>Nijisanji is getting away with it
sad times indeed but expected this kind of movement to happen way sooner.
>>71701830
if it didn't fall the first hour it won't fall again, its over they will probably recover

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>>71701830
it is, niji won, buy the dip
>captcha: JAAS
huh, if that J was a Y this would have been a certified sister post, dammit vt quit killing my baits

>> No.71701980

>>71701863
Ok, got it! Got to report on this. Thanks for the answer.

>> No.71702083

>People are buying because of FOMO
It's snowballing up it won't stop probably

>> No.71702214

>>71701830
It's currently being shorted so nobody knows.

>> No.71702313
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they are buying? dump it

>> No.71702359

WE'LL MAKE IT TO 2600 BROS
NOBODY CAN STOP US NOW
BUY BUY BUY
the doomp is coming

>> No.71702387

>>71702214
So, should I wait before I make a report on /news/?

>> No.71702390

>>71702214
It's not, some big investor appears to be bailing them out at the moment. Stock's up a bit.

>> No.71702402
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71702402

PROSPEROUS FUTURE AHEAD

>> No.71702428

>have richfag friends hold stock levels after crash and start a rally to cause normie fomo
>dump on them once their fomo hits peak

Tale as old as time

>> No.71702434

>>71702390
>some big investor appears to be bailing them out at the moment.
sauce?

>> No.71702521

>>71702434
See >>71701252

>> No.71702571

Oh shit what a rrrrrruuuuuusssshhh, here we go.
WITNESS THE POWER of Moneykami Riku!

>> No.71702593

Can I make the report or not? Or is it too early?

>> No.71702640

>>71702521
it's up 121 right now, but the volume is really erratic (only about 1.8 million volume compared to 7 million on Friday).
Honestly, I can't even tell anymore if this is an actual buyback or some day traders hopping on board to ride the price out.

>> No.71702782

>>71702640 (me)
it just spiked down to +89 in a span of three minutes.
so a price decrease of almost 25 in a rapid span.
wtf is even going on

>> No.71702873

I'm a simple /new/ reporter, what the fuck is going on?

>> No.71702931

And there's the short.

>> No.71703036

>>71702873
Anycolor's stock is fluctuating wildly. It's getting pumped and then dumped in rapid succession.
What I'm sensing here, and from what I've seen (about 2 million volume):

-Riku had some big investor buy more stocks to inflate price for a second (initial +40)
-Day traders see this (and the Nikkei rising rn, so they're looking for a stock to pump), and hop in.
-Other people hop on seeing the rise.
-People bailing whenever they can since there were shareholders trying to sell last Friday but couldn't.
-Short sellers are still pressuring the stock down
-Now it's a pinball match between the short sellers and the day traders

>> No.71703257

>>71703036
Interesting, I'll wait on posting my report for now to see what happens.

>> No.71703320

>>71703036
>(about 2 million volume):
there was 10 million the day it flopped too right?
this is chaos

>> No.71703574

>>71703320
yeah it's still a far cry of what was being traded on Friday
but the movement is spazzing out today, and honestly?
I think this might be a dump scheme.

>> No.71703661

>>71598857
Good. More males less females that attract nothing but drama.

>> No.71703676

Riku is very lucky that the stock tanked on a Friday. If there was trading on Saturday, the stock would have collapsed even further.

>> No.71703772

So Petra twerking in 3D DID save the stock.

>> No.71703805

>>71702782
+108 right now. Fascinating watching this volatile stock wiggle.

>> No.71703975

>>71701490
And then you get events like gamestop were the jews were bailed out.

>> No.71704033

>>71703574
now you mention it, I didn't look at the trade volume.
Those guys gonna be harvested HARD at either the end of the day or a few days.

>> No.71704117

>>71701830
For wining they would have to climb to the previous value before friday, so no they just stopped falling down the cliff.
Also a reminder that this is below entry point price so they still fucked.

>> No.71704207

>>71702390
>bailing them out before Q4
I approve it, because it would make the fall hit harder.

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71704277

Who is this guy? lol

>> No.71704283

>>71702428
The market was created to prey on idiots.

>> No.71704309

>>71703975
doesn't gamestop stock still crash right after the hedgefund surrender?

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>>71704277

>> No.71704705

>>71704309
I think so after they were bailed some idiots hold them until it was worth nothing.

>> No.71704865

>>71704207
Yes, i think this is idiotic. The company is not going to pull out of this tailspin. This is a classic case of good money chasing after bad.

>> No.71705091

>>71704865
Both Riku and the investors know the worst is coming, is not a secret, what I would like to know is what moves they can pull to profit from it, but i'm not a stock bro to try guessing.

>> No.71705344

>>71705091
I doubt they're thinking of profiting at this point, whatever plan they have is to try to limit losses. Unless Riku is so stupid that he thinks he can somehow pull Nijisanji out of its current tailspin; given how retarded the company's behavior has been, I don't know that I can write this off as an option.

The investors are all going to be boomers who do not understand the industry and aren't taking the time to research what is going on. Hell, a lot of them probably don't know how to research what is going on since business publications and the mainstream media are mostly not talking about it.

>> No.71705509

>>71705091
Of course they know, there's 3 million shares bought/sold before the lunch break on top of a massive poomp. Every other day barely reached 2mil by the end.

>> No.71705709

>>71598857
ACCELERATE.

>> No.71706225

If this is a real manipulated shorting technique, how long will the stocks last before it is dumped? Isn't it dangerous to hold onto stocks you mean to short for a long time?

>> No.71706353

>>71706225
If you assume it's manipulated, it's not really dangerous.

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