/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>71661888
Kinda can't wait for the NijiEN-JP merger, nijiniggers mass suicide will be glorious

>>71661888
once upon a time

>>71662024
The sisters will kill themselves when Milord Pedo realizes he's nothing when they merge with NijiJP.

>>71661888
I mean is true, Myth never had any chemistry, that's why Promise and Advent are better groups, that doesn't mean that the talents itself are boring, they shine more while doing solo streams, except for Ame.

>>71661888
I think the opinion was valid at the time considering Myth had genuinely abysmal chemistry, between the "autism trio" not even trying to appear comfortable, Mori being half-asleep every stream and Kiara not noticing how loud she is.

Nowadays this chemistry is normal and even Myth has improved in that regard so they can no longer stand out. On top of that NijiEN veered way too quickly into their weird "dudebro fratboy LARP" niche where they all constantly try to bully and shittalk each other as a "joke" and it's just never anything else.
That of course is all ignoring the fact that it's a black company and all the Niji talents are sociopathic cunts behind the scenes and that they all deserve the failure they've gotten. :^)

>>71662811

>>71661888
Take me back bros...

>>71661888
Myth still has absolutely zero chemistry with eachother to this very day which is why the next two gens felt like a breath of fresh air to a lot of people. I remember people coping that they were just slowly getting used to each other and their interactions will feel less awkward as time goes on but that never happened. Gura being zoned out during their third anniversary stream and acting like a stranger is a prime example of this.

>>71661888
My beloved.

>>71665754
>Myth still has absolutely zero chemistry with eachother to this very day
watch stream first anon

>>71661888
Jesus fuck, they were always this delusional huh? Copium deliveries must come with the Nijisanji Memberships.

>>71661888
Ah, the golden age... It lasted what? 6 months? Then it all went to shit.

>>71662811
you wrote it off just like what i was thinking. Also true
>>71662410

>>71662410
>holo vs holo
lmao every single time

>>71661888
I get it, laughing at the black corpo is funny, but do you ever plan to stop beating this dead horse?

>>71661888
kek

>>71669548
Nah, og Lazulight/Obsydia mogged all your whores, it was peak vtubing.

Recognizing this is the difference between the people who hate Nijisanji for what it did to some of the best talents in the business and the pagpag eating island pajeets who hate it because it has the wrong logo and would clap like seals if that changed.

>>71678500
You wish nijinignog

>>71682808
You are the latter.

>>71678500
>og Lazulight/Obsydia mogged all your whores
>posts picture of talents you failed to keep
Like I said, copium delivered to your front door. Keep lying to save face, we will keep laughing.

>>71683308
Actual third world reading comprehension. Try reading that again slowly, assuming the parasites in your food haven’t reached your eyeballs yet.

>>71661888
It was a wonderful time, full of laughter and innocence...

>>71662410
As far as chemistry goes, I feel like Myth and Promise had more of a fit between pairs, more with Promise, but not especially strong as a group. Advent, though, felt stronger as a group from their debut. I feel like the difference is from how much more enthusiastic they seem in wanting to interact together?

>>71683415
Oh no, it would be you who is struggling to read Anon. Past glories is copium of the highest order, build the future, or be stuck in the past. Its over for your whores, its over for your point about ''we wuz kings''. Stick to strawman'ing the people you talk to, I can actually deal with here and now.

>>71678500
Ehhhhh. Only Pomu, Selen, and Rosemi ever managed to attract me with their speaking skills. Everyone else was rather boring to listen to. Enna surprised me a bit with her singing voice, when her normal speaking voice during streams is pretty oof, but she’s otherwise rather unremarkable at chatting up the viewers.

>Finana hasn't pushed away her fans yet
>Elira hasn't yet started ruining Selen's and Pomu's careers out of jealousy
>Elira hasn't started her powertrip yet
>Rosemi was still innocent and sweet
Seriously, fuck Niji and fuck Anycolor.
Let me, as a day 1 fan, say... I hate this corpo so much it's unreal.

>>71683602
NTA but they're literally saying that they hate niji because it fucked those two over badly enough that they wanted out

>>71683766
Have you considered that maybe you just picked the wrong corpo?
Advent is the best EN vtuber gen yet. Just forget about Niji, forget about Pomu/Elira/etc and just enjoy that western vtubing is far better than it ever was with Nijisanji. Even Myth is still holding it together well, I think it's time to let go and accept that Hololive talents were the only worthwhile ones in the first place.
It's OK to have been wrong as long as you eventually see the light.

>>71683846
Ogey sis

>>71661888
Pomu carry was real

>>71684002
She was a pillar, when I saw the graduation notice, I knew something was terribly wrong in EN. Now I certainly feel it was over, they never had a chance with the support (or lack of) they got.

>>71683766
>>71683942
Also, with Advent, you could literally start with their FES watchalong VOD from this year and you'd be decently up-to-speed. Just stop trying to be a contrarian and you'll be able to actually enjoy EN vtubers.

>>71683942
>forget about Pomu
>>71684067
I was a memboo and therefore literally had no choice
Let's hope she finds something that fits her better. Holo EN never really seemed that interesting, the streams I saw were fucking boring, the only Holos that were interesting to me to this day were all either JP or Risu.

>>71684048
>She was a pillar
And, funnily enough, she wasn't even relevant enough to get a sticky when she graduated. Compared to even Sana, the reaction to her leaving was very modest, sometimes even leaning towards "eh, not much of a loss".
The fact that mediocre talents like Pomu and Selen were considered "pillars" really says a lot about how irrelevant NijiEN was even at its peak.

>>71684143
>Holo EN never really seemed that interesting, the streams I saw were fucking boring
You haven't given Advent a fair shot, otherwise you wouldn't be saying this. Especially if your standard for "good enough to oshi" was Pomu/Mint Maid, they'll probably seem incredible to you by comparison
Here's some good streams to start with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5qX3LMGFFA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0Qn-uf7bWY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDCJQxIBDYA

>>71678500
And look where it got you. Instant cliques, backstabbing, "parasocial fucks", no management to speak of, suicide attempts, etc. Most of the people were/are terrible and so is the management, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

>>71684588
>suicide attempts, etc
to be fair, selen never fit in and most true niji fans weren't really bothered by this. since holochads don't like her either, she really is the black sheep of the vtuber community

>>71684522
bro chill im sure he just has different tastes from you. niji livers and holo idols will always have different vibes. sometimes the translation is just impossible. I would personally say Shiori is the closest to Pomu, but in an "I feel close to this person" kinda way, not a content kinda way.

>>71683520
>Advent, though, felt stronger as a group from their debut
Admit it, Shiori hates fuwamoco, they're too loud and infantile for her, they can't pull back when necessary like biboo, meanwhile Shiori doesn't give them much to talk about since their topics are too different. She probably sees them as jp traitors too.
Biboo used to get kinda intimidated by Shiori but she seems to have gotten over it, still a similar lack of shared topics though. At least it's good she found Kaela before she got everyone else burnt out with her endurance.
Nerissa is the one tying the whole group together, but being the blandest of the bunch it's like everyone else has to pass trough a sieve to communicate.

>>71684522
>shittalking people's oshis
>not getting tired to get Holo into this
>>71684673
>Selen boogeyman
>not getting tired to get Holo into this
sister, fuck off.
>>71684791
this person doesn't actually want to sell Holo EN to someone like me who outright stated that he watches Holo JP already and just never really got into Holo EN.
This guy wants to paint Holo in a bad light by shitting on people's preferences in vtubers etc.

>>71684879
i tried, who do you like in holo jp?

>>71684791
>im sure he just has different tastes from you. niji livers and holo idols will always have different vibes
You act like those "different vibes" come from nowhere. Do you really think a group with wrought with cliques, backstabbing and shittalking behind the scenes won't have "different vibes" from one that doesn't? That's not a matter of "different taste", that's a matter of comparing decent people and sociopaths.

>>71661888
how embarrassing...

>>71684975
>i tried
you didn't. fuck off. the chuuba known as none of your business, faggot.

>>71684879
I'm not trying to "shittalk your oshi".
I'm just trying to let you know that the standards have gone up from the period where Pomu/Mint was considered anything particularly "special". But, you won't watch any of their streams, so you're stuck in the past.
This applies to Holo too, the standards have gone way up when you compare the non-Gura members of Myth to Advent as well

>>71685180
Pomukeks are incredibly sensitive anon

>>71685180
anon, are you a literal retard?

>>71685267
Yeah, I think it's a genwunner thing, because both Lazulight/Obsydia and Myth fans tend to be very sensitive to the idea that EN vtuber standards have gone up a lot since their oshi debuted. They don't seem to understand that, it's not a personal attack on your oshi or their genmates, it's just the medium developing (and if you don't think vtubing is still a brand new medium, especially in the west, I don't even know what to tell you).
It's kind of like, I'm sure there are people who like Roboco. But is she going to be drawing people into watching vtubers the way talents who debuted later, like Pekora or Marine, do?

I feel for them honestly.I thought about checking them out because Pomu seemed really cute. I held back because I had heard about how Luna had been treated by Niji and thought that no good could come of it.

I could still imagine someone taking that leap. hell you only had 5 Holos no Coco so lots of dead air to watch them. You invest your time you have fun when it starts because they arfe cute and hey maybe you didnt like Council as much. You even laugh a little at the War post because it made you think "Maybe I made the right choice" not even out of malice just glad your team seems more stable. Now you miss the days when it was fun and you felt good just being there

Its not to late though. You lose nothing by moving on and finding new people to follow. Yeah Im a holochad and suggest it but if you want follow your lost girls to the Indys or Vshojo. Make yourself happy again dont just be sad

i think the main reason why I responded is because I was also like >>71684879
, I didn't really like holo en fully for a while. But recently advent changed my mind, & I have a members to bijou and Ame atm. I would say advent broke the floodgates for me money wise.

>>71685180
>I'm not trying to shittalk your oshi, I'm just saying you must have low standards for liking her!
NTA, but how the fuck did you EXPECT him to react to a statement like that?
People generally don't take well to having their tastes insulted, autist-san. If you want to change his mind, you'll have to provide a detailed explanation of why you think his oshi sucks instead of just saying "ur taste is bad lol" and expecting it to go over well.

>>71685614
>but if you want follow your lost girls to the Indys or Vshojo. Make yourself happy again dont just be sad
Why would you just encourage them to repeat the same mistake twice?

>>71684879
You shouldn't show weakness like this, all they care about is breaking you and going "Perhaps I was wrong, I will now kiss Yagoo's ring".

>>71685530
>that EN vtuber standards have gone up a lot since their oshi debuted
Standards have gone up? I mean let's not kid ourselves here. I'm not going to be insulting or say anything bad about the things you like but all the debuts recently have come from the same crop of indies and relatively well known vtubers. I mean when Advent came around I knew all their past lives upon seeing the debut. After all, notNerissa interacted with the Prism people I liked.

>>71686155
Beause a lot of people fall off the horse and are too afraid to get back on again. They have to get back up and eat that horse

also I wasent just gonna say "Just watch Hololive and be ok again. Its not too late for you" because it would be to pushy

>>71683766
Rosemi is not some wet behind the ears baby and the other shit you said is just a load of rrat nonsense. Finana is the only correct point you made. The "fuck Niji and fuck Anycolor" part is a given, everyone with at least a lick of sense will come to that conclusion. You got dealt a bad lot and you'll have to make the best of it. Find some way to move on, either through your oshi's reincarnation or finding other interests.

>>71686978
pomu will never reincarnate
she accepted that she was always just an overhyped hololive reject, there's no way she hasn't thrown in the towel for good this time

>>71687060
Good if it's true.
But I sincerely doubt it.

>>71662116
Times change, things change. In Suisei's case, they changed for the better.

>>71687060
I do think she's happy being just a fan, she'll probably go get job. But if she's back to hating it, now that she knows she can make an easy living as a niche internet celebrity she'll probably come back at some point, again, if she hates having a normal job that much.

>>71687060
People don't stay watching someone just because they are "overhyped hololive rejects"

>>71688022
Yes they do.

>>71688022
>People don't stay watching someone just because they are "overhyped hololive rejects"
you say this as if this isn't literally happening with dokibird right now

>>71688087
Proof?
>>71688099
Dokibird never applied to Hololive, how can she be an "overhyped hololive reject"?

71684879
>Pity baiting for (you)s
Go outside

>>71688219
>how can she be an "overhyped hololive reject"
she's literally leeching off of hololive this week by streaming holocure

>>71683942
I think there's something to be said for the environment having a major impact. Elira, for example, could never have started her power trip without management letting her get away with it and creating an atmosphere where that kind of stuff thrives and is even encouraged. I think Myth, parachuted into the same situation, would have also turned on each other like rabid wolves (or graduated ASAP). I firmly believe the reason Rushia lasted so long in Cover is because they did a far better job tardwrangling her than Nijisanji would have. Rushia in Nijisanji would have imploded in months.

But whatever, it doesn't matter. The issues HoloEN had are fixed and they are now clearly superior in every way, and Advent in particular is what every HoloEN fan has been waiting for. It's very unfortunate that Nijisanji had such a capable crew and instead of bringing out the best in them, brought out the worst on them and abused them until they cracked (or worse, joined in the abuse).

>>71685614
>I held back because I had heard about how Luna had been treated by Niji and thought that no good could come of it.
looking back, Luna really made a great timing to jump ship

>>71688219
>Dokibird never applied to Hololive
brain damaged

>>71688219
absolute retard

>>71662811
/thread

>>71687963
Pomu didn't reincarnate, in part because she clearly wants some time off to reflect on what to do with her life, and in part because she's an abuse victim with a destroyed sense of self-worth. She was shocked when so many of her fans followed her on Twitter, because the corpo (or Elira, or both) clearly succeeded in convincing her she was worthless and that nobody liked her.

>>71688518
Do people really think that initial Cover management was flawless? Did people forget all the nonsense that happened to Mel? Or is that forgotten now because they wiped her off their website post termination? Let's not pretend things were all spotless. Thing is unlike Anycolor the people up high at Cover re-invested and sorted their company out after yabs while Anycolor changed their name from Ichikara and cut more jobs lol

>>71688473
>everyone who has ever played Holocure is a Hololive reject
>>71688552
>>71688565
I'm sure you two have proof to back up your claim. And no, her and Mumei thinking they were applying for the same company does that mean she applied to Hololive.

>>71688861
>everyone who has ever played Holocure is a Hololive reject
If they aren't actually in Hololive?
Yes, absolutely.

>>71688808
>because the corpo (or Elira, or both) clearly succeeded in convincing her she was worthless and that nobody liked her.
Yeah, Elira totally did this. It totally wasn't Anycolor wasting her time and cancelling literally everything she was excited for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNynxWZK30A

>>71661888
why do cliques exist past highschool bro it's so stupid these could all have been real

>>71688518
Cover management can be shitty.
See Sana and 2 ex HomoEN for recent example.

Blaming all the rots in Nijisanji to Riku management are just pure copium.
Just like pretending the cliques doesn't exist in Niji.

>>71683766
Stop looking into the past. Those who stayed made their choices, if you want to follow Selen and Pomu they are still around.
As for Finana she made her grave, and Rosemi knows there are only two roads and it’s up to her to pick one.

>>71689202
have you ever worked in an office with majority female co-workers? it's highschool all over again

>>71687060
Regloss EN
12.7.2024

>>71689346
What even is ReGloss supposed to be.

>>71689268
>Blaming all the rots in Nijisanji to Riku management are just pure copium.
>Just like pretending the cliques doesn't exist in Niji.
DYRB

>>71689346
>Regloss EN
Where did this rrat come from? Was it from the retards misidentifying the silhouettes of the Regloss idol outfits on a promotional poster?

>>71689268
At the same time, the captain is respknsible for all the choices of the crew. And if there are secondary culprit, he’s covering them and allowing them to continue unpunished and rewarded.
So fuck exclusively him first and foremost. Once he’s gone, it will be the turn of all the others to come out of hiding. Until then whoever sticks with him is as guilty as those who are.

>>71661888
These threads are cringe but its funny how people genuinely believed NijiEN was the cream of the crop for EN, and holoEN was shit. Even if holoEN isn't perfect, they continue to do a better job than the disaster of nijiEN.

>>71662083
Suisei genuinely clawed her way just to get where she is. That girl is one of perseverance and hard work paying off.

>>71689003
Elira is innocent has gone long enough. If she can’t talk and she decides to stay and continue act like thinga re ok, she’s as much as guilty. Your copium of giving her forgivenesss is a pass to do worse.
Euther she did it or she is approving it by staying.

>>71684522
That Big Foot stream was kinda painful. Nerissa wandering off by herself and Shirori ripping on everyone with dad jokes that entirely failed to land, just confusing the girls. Think she was on something that night or just hadn't slept in ages. Partly the game's fault though, frustrating them so much that they decided to take turns single player, which is an utterly pointless game mode for noobs that Shirori clearly lost patience with.

Usually their collabs are better than that though. Their Lethal Company playthroughs were particularly good.

>>71689672
It is all uncertain. Her guilt or innocence will be proven in due time. I'm not going to rush and decide a priori on what she did.

>>71689547
You are not wrong.
Riku and all his bootlicker should be kicked out from the industry.

>>71689554
Hololive isn’t perfect, we all know it, but it keeps providing proof they try and they care. Countless talents liking being there and a CEO which cares so much he has become a positive meme.
Niji just sits down and hopes things will go their way. In front of a problem they could have easily solved, their solution is to reward those who did wrong because they stuck with them. They are tone-deaf completely and hope to cheat the system by throwing stuff at the wall.

It’s not i being perfect that Holo is good. Is in being bettee. Niji only tries to look good no matter how many problems they cause, letting them sum up more and more.

>>71689332
Or HR department

>>71689899
And yet people here tells us to not look into it and hope she can be back to do what she usually does. That’s the opposite of letting things be clarified, is giving a free pass.
If she is not free to talk, I don’t see why supporting her, knowing it supports the gag she has to carry, willingly or not.

>>71687573 (me)
Meant to reply to >>71662083

>>71688518
Elira was always a rotten apple. Things would've gone south sooner or later regardless of Nijisanji management being good or bad.

>>71688944
Only a brain damaged nijisister trash like (you) would say shit like that.

>>71690211
^This.
Even if Nijisanji have good management, in the end Pomu will always learn how shitty Nova is.

>>71689003
>Elira dindu nothing wrong
LOL
LMAO
Elirakeks are so delusional.

>>71690596
Elira is innocent until proven guilty.

>>71690717
So what happens to Elira Defenders if she is proven guilty?

>>71690509
Damn, didn't know Pomu was blind and deaf this whole time. With all the clear evidence of Nova's wrongdoing in her face and yet she still went along with her all these years even before Nijisanji. I guess we'll have to ambush her one day and explain it to her using the Helen Keller communication method. How do you sign "Elira is management" through touch?

>>71690848
I will feel bad about it for a time and then move on. Such is life in this scene, it's all ephemeral and will end some day.

>>71690717
delulu

>>71690918
rumao seething fagelira

>>71691489
>"I will own Elira and expose the evildoing of RyuuseiNova by saying Pomu is an idiot at worst and a willfully ignorant participant at best"
I accept your concession.

>>71691815
rumao seething fagelira

>>71661888
LOL back then, even more LOL now.

>>71688808
>because the corpo (or Elira, or both)
Come on anon, even if Elira had some managerial influence, collabs of this caliber (be it MGS or Idolshit) would be way above her head.
>>71689672
Anon, every time the topic of Nijisanji comes up former members start speaking in riddles and Doki has a panic attack. The only one who successfully managed to milk that company is Sayu and she needed an year to get her shit together. As much as I'd like Elira to address some of the stuff (as she should), I don't expect her to be everyone's better.
>>71690596
Even if we do assume some wrongdoing on her part (I can give you that the black screen looked back, but there's nothing solid pointing at her), the idea she could influence high level inter-corportate collaborations and sponsorships is beyond the realm of any plausability.

>>71692118
Pretty much my stance too. The black screen is pretty fucking bad, but at the moment it still gives her some benefit of the doubt. Trying to say the other stuff was under her control just seems like total lunacy because it's things that Anycolor's marketing and licensing department would be handling.

>>71661888
Almost as if NijiEN was actually really good at one point, back when it was just Lazusydia, until the subsequent wavespam and overall blatant mismanagement fucked everything up for everyone...

pre-Ethyria Niji EN was unironically kino

>>71662083
she deserves the world, she clearly worked hard enough to earn it

>>71665496
never forget this feeling, and everything that elira has taken from us. we could have had this go on forever, but she had to ruin it.

>>71694573
I used to think the same, but looking back, that was still the same Finana, maybe we just had rose-tinted glassed since it was the fresh breath from the safe corpo image from hololive we needed, and them getting carried by Pomu and Selen, because I'm realizing I really couldn't bother to watch Rosemi and Elira either, Petra forgot she existed unironically.

>>71694494

>>71661888
Fucking lol

>>71694784
Future generations will revile her...

>>71687060
>pomu will never reincarnate
Feel she hasn't given up on her dreams yet. EN4. For her sake if you truly care about her.

>>71695552
She's the Hitler of vtubing world

>>71695552
>>71695695
When this is over you'll feel as silly as the people who attack Sayu feel.

>>71661888

>>71689421
Girls who couldn't get into hololive proper

>>71661888
reminder (grim)

>>71689421
Hololive nijisanji branch

>>71695684
luca's cocksleeve will never be in hololive bud

>>71688022
People stay watching Mike even though she was married. You underestimate the horny incel audience. As long as it's a woman who has appeared in the mainstream, there will be simps dedicating their lives to her.

>>71696114
Spamming this in every Pomu discussion isn't going to suddenly make it true, Millie

>>71695695
So you're saying she has a chance?

>>71696228
cope harder, millie and pomu are 2 sides of the same shit coin

>>71696186
If anything I think some people were fully sold when they found out she was the real menhera deal

>>71696186
>Mike
But she wasn't rejected by Hololive. She got in and streamed with them for years.

>>71695844
Elira, aren't you supposed to be pushing coworkers into suicidal depression or something? stop wasting time online

>>71696316
>hur dur im totally not millie
You have to do a better job than that, Millie

>>71696398
The point is that people still follow her even though she was cucking all her fans, who liked her as a gfe vtuber. That's several levels worse than failing to get into hololive.

>>71696491
battle of the cocksleeves

>>71661888
Once a nijisister, always a nijisister. These guys never change, and neither do the talents.

>>71696114
Cover is just waiting for some time to pass (and probably going through their "call back later" pile for genmates) to avoid poaching accusations and because they don't ACCELERATE. She'll be in before the end of the year. If Niji implodes fast enough, they may even get Rosemi as a bonus.

>>71665754
>>71662410
It's not so much that this gen has better chemistry than that gen, it's that the chemistry they have is different. It comes down to how socially well adjusted the members are, since each one was recruited in a different era, which informed what candidates Cover had and how the company approached it. I'll explain:
Myth was first, when the Covid boom was just starting. EN Vtubers were untested and the recruitment pool was smaller. The candidates were all more fringe personality types. Even if they were successful already, they were, in simple terms, just more likely to be weird people. That's why Myth chemistry is so awkward but they definitely try and there's an earnestness to their comradery when it does shine through.
Council came second. EN vtubers are now a proven idea and attractive pursuit for the success-oriented. This informed Cover's now-expanded recruitment pool. You have people who are more experienced, ambitious but also maybe cynical about vtubing as a career rather than a passion pursuit. Your group comradery is first and foremost a matter of being professional but I'd like to think that since then, some real genuine friendships have emerged.
Advent came third and most recently, after a noticeably long delay. Why was that? In that period of time, NijiEN was much more active in its debut cadence. What did that bring about? We see it with the recent string of yabs. For that era, I believe EN vtubing reached its crescendo of prospective applicants. The now-guaranteed floor of success for the Big Two Corpos meant you have an excess of grifters, lazy streamers and cynical content creators who wanted an easy mealticket without having respect for the craft. Cover, in contrast, recognized the low quality field of applicants and took more time to filter out diamonds from the sea of mediocrity and sometimes even outright antipathy towards the established culture. And this is why EN3 has such impressive comradery, because they are impressive overall by virtue of going through such a strict selection.
On a side note, I think for the most recent era, the EN3 delay wasn't just due to filtering out so many more low-quality candidates. It also had to do with the discontent regarding management and EN direction that seemed to be going on behind the scenes during 2022 to early 2023, as alluded to by some of the girls. By all accounts from those same girls, those issues have been solved and the timing gels with the Advent debut dates.
That's my take. TLDR: Myth's group rapport is awkward but earnest. Council's group rapport was a designed product at the start. Advent's group rapport is a reflection of Cover going in the opposite direction of AnyColor, during a time when the EN candidate pool was at its worst.

>>71696728
maybe in your dreams, pomukek

>>71696429
Time will tell.

>>71688518
Rushia stressed many times back then that her manager was very strict on her, so basically they know what she is known for and put a manager that can control her urges

>>71697008
>The now-guaranteed floor of success for the Big Two Corpos meant you have an excess of grifters, lazy streamers and cynical content creators who wanted an easy mealticket without having respect for the craft. Cover, in contrast, recognized the low quality field of applicants and took more time to filter out diamonds from the sea of mediocrity and sometimes even outright antipathy towards the established culture. And this is why EN3 has such impressive comradery, because they are impressive overall by virtue of going through such a strict selection
Hit the nail on the head.
I think this is also why, anyone who is used to Hololive would be confused about Selen and Pomu being "pillars" of the branch - Nijisanji's bar is so low, that putting in more than the absolute bare minimum effort is "impressive" even if you'd be known for being an absolute, bottom-of-the-barrel grifter by Hololive standards.

>>71662083
I remember in like January 2021 pointing out how Miko and Suisei had a similar trajectory in Hololive and wondered if they had some friendship/rivalry behind the scenes.

>>71697571
>least obvious Nijisister larping as a Holofan in order to shit on the best Nijis who escaped from Kurosanji

>>71697967
That's like being the two best contentration camp officers to escape the Nuremberg trials. They're still not good people, and they're still the enemy for obvious reasons.

>>71698311
What are you? A jew?

>>71698380
Worse, it's a Nijisister

This board is full of emotional ninnies who take this shit way too seriously. Comparing this sort of petty entertainment to wars and post war trials. Absolutely laughable sort of people. Elira indeed is Hitler I guess, the world shall hear from her again and I guess people will never stop talking about her.

>>71697008
>It also had to do with the discontent regarding management and EN direction that seemed to be going on behind the scenes during 2022 to early 2023, as alluded to by some of the girls.
I think this gives a better explanation as to why EN3 took so long. Previous management was pushing T3MPUS as the 3rd gen of Hololive EN, trailing after the success of Luxiem. Remember they also wanted the girls to stop referring to themselves as EN1 and EN2? That all failed after less than a year since they hired the wrong guys to facilitate that aspiration, so they were forced to scrap that idea and go ahead with a labeled third generation of girls, although they still retain the naming of each gen. They just happened to strike, as it seems right now, gold with Advent. Basically, don't flatter Cover or EN management too much by denoting them with keen insight and vetting standards. It's more than likely that they messed up following the Niji model and reverted. The success just fell into their lap again.

>>71697287
Not hard enough it seems, didn't she send many private video DMs to her whales? Any manager with access to that account would have spotted those right away and slapped her.

>>71696429
When this is all over we'll laugh at how retarded the whole situation was over Anycolor's corpse

>>71698914
I would disagree, actually. I think reversing cleanly from a poor decision is much more praiseworthy than making the right decision from the beginning. Especially for a big company, as the latter relies on talent and luck while the former relies on humility and the ability to reflect.

>>71700639
>reversing cleanly
It's not that clean, but I get your point. I just don't think we should set ourselves up with huge expectations because a lot of success can be attributed to doing things at the right time with the right people.

>>71662083
we're all gonna make it

>>71701652
The chuubas will, my neet as won't.

>>71661888
Damn I'm pretty sure I made a post exactly like one in this image. Fuck I'm getting some cognitive dissonance wondering if one of these posts actually is mine. To be fair though, early NijiEN did actually have good chemistry compared to early HoloEN.

ITT: autists talking about chemistry

>>71704032
yeah I got an A+ in that class, dumbass

>>71685614
>>71688526
I know Luna PL but not what went wrong there. Can you share why she quit Niji?

>>71696228
Holobegging in every Pomu discussion isn't going to suddenly make it true, Kiara

>>71704970
Bullied for having a similar voice to a more established Niji. Argued she would be stealing her fans and leeching off her

>>71661888
Feels like NijiEN didn't do as well as expected.

>chemistry
It is mysterious.

>>71661888
It's funny because Selen had the best chemistry with Holostars outside fucking Niji.
Her own company hated her and wanted her gone and nijikeks defend this

>>71661888
Niji will rise

>>71706424
They were that petty huh...
Thanks anon

>>71662083
When I found Suisei and watched her early MVs and how she's personally involved in aesthetics and style of her videos, I was like "This girl is going somewhere". She's a visual marketing genius.

>>71707141
>through cunny, unity

>>71699984
I would rather see Hanamori dead than Nijisanji dead

>>71698468
>the world shall hear from her again and I guess people will never stop talking about her.
No shit.
She will be a good addition for case study of why letting nepotism run unchecked is bad for company health

>>71696625
But enough about millie and rosemi

>>71661888
NIJINIGGERS AND MAKING POSTS THAT AGE LIKE MILK NAME A MORE ICONIC DUO

>>71668457
>Currently busy sucking down as much oji-cum as she can to convince the investors to not force Riku to fold the EN branch

>>71695844
>nova
>tumblr vtweeter
>numerous incidents of crybullying random twitter creators for "sexualizing" characters or drawing loli
>countless instances of praising homosexual sodomite smutt and calling it progressive
>shilling alphabet mafia literature 24/7 and praising its inclusiveness and diversity
>on record praising yaoi mutilation/castration manga for its themes and trans-inclusivity
>created hanamori, a group full of woke vtweeters and stuggle-session afficionados
>was explicitly named in the Selen document
>was found to hoard the bulk of promos, sponsorships, and partnerships.


Yeah, she is an innocent angel.

>>71689003
Elira had connections and wanted to be top dog. Not hsrd to see anon.

>>71661888
>>71665496
Lazudya was peak. Ethyria ruined everything. Why did Elira have to bring in all her friends

>>71688825
A Niji Liver was the one who back stabbed Mel. But it's Covers fault! Jesus Christ.

>>71724107
She let management drink Champagne from her cooch. Manager returned the favour.

>>71687573
Red nail polish hits a bit different, but I still like her OG blue.

>>71723973
Ew that's how it all began, the real FujoFauxIdol lmao!....wouldnt even be surprised if she was instrumental bts in molding the LuxNoc group.

>>71724107
I dunno if that exactly ruined it, I think the downfall and stagnation came later, but that certainly planted the seeds.

>>71684798
>jp traitors
this silly imageboard really ruined you, huh

>>71689898
aye, it was a shit game to stream with 3 ppl only

>>71688944
I can't believe I am a Hololive reject, I didn't even apply!

>>71724372
>A Niji Liver was the one who back stabbed Mel.
is this confirmed or still a rrat

>>71727965
So because I am interested partially and I don't think anyone has tried doing this, I'm going to try and take as much of an apples to apples comparison using subs growth. So let's take the runts of Council vs Obsydia which are the closest generations from both companies to be compared. That would be Fauna and Rosemi. Socialblade doesn't let us go far back, but we do get the beginning of April 2022 and we do see from a growth perspective, Rosemi was actually gaining more subscribers than Fauna did in this time period despite Fauna having much higher numbers and only when the COVID buff ended in around September of 2022 and both growth periods looked about normalized back to slower inclines. They look right about equal there in growth up until the end of 2022 which is where all the stuff started coming out that negatively affected Nijisanji started with Yugo's termination and from what we know now, some screwy stuff regarding projects and stuff being denied or cancelled which had been happening in the background in 2022 may have started showing a bit in content staleness alongside with Niji's non-investment in promoting talents after a certain period and etc. due to more waves. Everything else then kinda plays out as expected and you can see the drop in subs then due to Selen's termination. If there was a peak period for Nijisanji, it would've been pretty much 2021-2022 from looking at this.

>>71665496
Pomu was the only good one in the group. The other two were rotten and merely playing pretend.

>>71698311
>they are BAAAD because... because I say so okay! Now trust me or GTFO
Go fuck yourself, subhuman NDF trash.

>>71728415
I think a better comparison would've been using Mumei vs Selen who are the most successful of their generation even though I know they are good friends. You can see the fluctuations better and know when the stuff that Nijisanji was doing in the background actually hit their biggest earner with the stuff they pulled and with this, you can see clearly that would be at the beginning of 2023 which lines up with the cancellation of the NijiEN AR Live. Selen was only 100k behind Mumei at the time and that one event tanked her growth below Mumei's permanently up until the uptick in December/January due to her situation before she got terminated. Really sad, but I do think you are right that the mines were already laid at that point to trigger one after another and it was just a matter of time before someone stepped on one and caused all the dominoes to fall.

>>71698914
Omega was responsible for the Nijification attempts. As soon as Yagoo realized this he kicked that retard and gave Dimitri the position.

>>71723973
Keep talking! She'll rise rise rise rise! Stronger than ever!

>>71719696
>rosemi
Is this abiut the underwear shopping thing? Wasn't it just Rosemi and Petra hanging out before that creep Luca invited himself in?

>>71723973
>malding this much for this long
>your broken mind keeps twisting everything in a negative light
>see she still has a support system in her darkest hour
>going to have to watch her rise from the ashes as well
Admitting that it was love all along will help you heal, tsun-kun.

>>71723973
Delusional Elirafags will defends this.

>>71728986
Ignorance is bliss, huh?

>>71729006
It's not delusional. That's called being loyal, ash. I will serve my Empress Elira until the end of time! Live long the Emperium!

>>71729163
yeah, she will abandon you long before you abandon her

>>71729068
Admit it anon, say the words
I
LOVE
ELIRA
PENDORA
shout it from the rooftops!

>>71728938
No lmao. The part with Petra was BEFORE she went shopping for underwear with luca.

>>71665496
Pomu leaving was so surreal I can't get over it.

>>71661888
I remember thinking like this when I heard NijiEN members talking to each other during collabs. Felt more natural than 5 girls doing their best to be anime characters. That was years ago now.

But as we've seen from the past year, NijiEN completely fell apart and it turns out that casual banter ended up being something a lot darker behind the scenes. Meanwhile, HoloEN has now gotten comfier with each other, they see each other in real life when they have the time, and their "chemistry" or whatever you want to call it has improved to the point where they don't need to awkwardly fill dead air anymore. Myth are autistic, but they're comfy. Promise are incredibly comfortable around each other. Advent came out of the fucking gate already being comfortable with each other, and this was proven just the other day with the soundhounds collab.

Once upon a time, sure, people viewed NijiEN as a more natural group of people. Look at them now. Losing Pomu is a tragically, horrible, irreversible fuck up. Even the fanbase for NijiEN is a bunch of worthless, annoying Twitter/tumblr faggots.

>>71689268
>See Sana and 2 ex HomoEN for recent example.
All I see is cover removing a worker that refused to do their job and two whiny menhera bitches claiming to be men.
In fact the fact those three were even hired in the first place was a example of shit management. Tempus instead of en3 was a retarded move and sana was a bad nepohire that never should've happened.

>>71688944
Asmongold, the Hololive reject.

>>71706424
anon.. that wasn't luna.. thas was meiro
>>71704970
it wasn't that dramatic. she just can't fit in with niji's normie's cliques and cultures. she has no friends nor motivation during her time at niji. Same when she first jumped to holo. But, she made the right decision. Matsuri, coco, and later subaru&chocosen changed her into a better person who's not afraid to interact with others and trying new things.

The Famelira in this thread unironically remind of those exploding mooks in the haligtree

>>71730022
man no wonder they're known as whores, is this what western tw*tch vtubing is like?

>>71731705
This is what all streaming is, even the Twitch CEO made a comment on how the best way to grow is to collaborate with people, which is a polite way of saying leeching and bouncing people is the way to go.
This is also true for vtube corpos, however in vtubing companies can keep the audience bouncing inside their corpo bubble, which has the interesting side effect of developing a somewhat unique company culture compare to the mainstream. If you're indie, you have to chase the algorithm or stay a 3view at best.

>HOLOSEETHE

>>71731830
they're really blatant whoring about it though
if it weren't for hololive (god bless) and a select few small corpo chuubas i wouldn't watch streamers at all

>>71732005
>they're really blatant whoring about it though
Yes, absolutely. I don't like it as well, which is why I'm a big fan of corpos. At least corpos can form a more pleasant experience. If they're not abusive that is.

>>71722999
Milk? Those posts aged like the finest wine.

>>71723973
>Yeah, she is an innocent angel.
Yeah, you said it, Boss. She's innocent.

>>71731294
You will be forcibly converted.

>>71689658
the protagonists

>>71733985
Showed a normie friend First Take Steller Steller. He was going through a tough time and basically broke down crying and now its his favorite song. Doesnt even know what Vtubers are but Susei is that powerful

>>71729425
>Luca
more like his female moderator cocksleeve

>>71668457
cute

>>71662083
it will always amaze me Suisei's growth, I started following when she was around 100k

>>71686268
>I knew all their past lives
Doxchama not all people are like you who tryna search latest chuubas pl.

>>71728415
>>71728734
Check out the new subs chart. The sharp drop off for every Niji liver in Sept-Oct of 2022 is shocking. Only Selen and Enna continued growing to any significant extent beyond that point.

>>71744874
As said in the post, COVID ending for most Western countries dampened every Vtuber's growth which I agree with and Cover was having its own issues during that time too with Holostars taking precedence and breaks from a lot of people. But the main difference is really that they took that time to clean house and plan a bunch of events that included EN talents did a lot to boost them in 2023 but Connect the World really was the gamechanger and managed to tick up Council's declining numbers. Advent debuting also helped the Hololive as a whole given the new fans and interest from people who had waited for them.
Nijisanji not hitting the pause button and doing the same and instead thinking "we have too little Vtubers, debut more" was clearly at this point a mistake, they never recovered from EN's AR Live cancellation which was probably when they stopped being a Hololive competitor. But I would say that from the stats here, Lazusydia was an actual threat to Hololive from July 2021 until either the latter half of 2022 when everything slowed down or when AR Live got cancelled in Febuary 2023 if you want to be generous. No one should be surprised with that historical context why OP's screenshotted posts makes sense.

>>71662083
wew

>>71734084
Nah, that's just residual Idolmaster energy working through Suisei. She is a Chihaya clone after all.

>>71741990
Reading comprehension. It's called watching indies and smaller corpo vtubers. You just end up recognizing people when they debut.

>>71747170
>But I would say that from the stats here, Lazusydia was an actual threat to Hololive from July 2021 until either the latter half of 2022 when everything slowed down or when AR Live got cancelled in Febuary 2023 if you want to be generous
it really was also when you saw holoEN starting to hit the struggle bus too. but once Luxiem came in, game over for nijiEN.

>>71661888
awwwwww

>>71752309
If your talking about the dumb "issue" with mixing males and females and collabing together inside a branch, the data as far as sub growth is concerned proves it never affected attracting viewership besides unicorns mostly from the Holo section being vocally loud and complaining about something they never had any part to play in it on this board. They did this for an entire year at least in 2022 and none of it hindered sub count growth.
If you're talking about the comparison from a branch perspective, NijiEN weren't comparable to Holostars for most of its existence, and even with the decline in spending and views and the current situation taking its toll, they are pulling in still better numbers from sub counts to CCV.

>>71662083
>>71687573
>Go to Hololive
>achieve dreams
>Go to Nijisanji
>pain, only pain
I feel bad for the livers.

>>71661888
Holy cow.

>>71661888
aw fuck

>>71734089
Nope, that was a meeting in persson with luca.

>>71661888
What the fuck happened?

>>71661888
Not sure what you're trying to get at, that whole post is true. HoloEN collabs are mostly cringe and dull, and nijiEN ones have always been fun. Selen being a sperg cunt and leaving doesn't change that.

>>71661888
It is true though, Hololive perms being different from Nijisanji had negative and positive effects but one of things that Nijisanji always did better with was with non-Nintendo related multiplayer collabs because perms were able to be secured faster than Hololive and with more people in the branch, the collabs are really massive and the atmosphere is completely different in these where subgroups within a gen or outside can compete with each other. It's baffling HoloEN and HoloID only recently in 2024 did a Crab Game collab that wasn't even as fun or maniac as the first one NijiEN did in 2021.

>>71673551
horse aint dead yet now is it

>>71661888
don't remind me, it hurts

>>71661888
Now that’s a lot of glazing

>>71729977
I thought Sana quit because she had back problems?
Is this a rrat or do you have proof

>>71728415
Yugo dipped out so smoothly compared to Sayu and Selen that I forget his/her departure was when the cracks started showing.

>>71714433
Ame is a shortstack, thank you very much.

>>71661888
I forgot how insufferable dragoons were before they got a serious check.

>>71661888
NIJINIGGERS AND MAKING POSTS THAT AGE LIKE MILK NAME A MORE ICONIC DUO

>>71784789
I never forget.

>>71782124
rip

>>71784007
Sana quit because she had to choose between her artist career or her hololive career and isn't good enough to do both. Also I get the feeling hat she didn't find streaming all that well suited for her. Her back issues are an impediment but it's not really a factor in her deciding to quit

>>71661888
>>71662083
Oof

>>71784007
Sana isn't Togashi.
Her back is alright.

>>71661888
A lost age...

>>71790222
They are the biggest producers of rotting cheese, while also being the biggest consumers of copium.

>>71690717
Im fine with that

>>71661888
>Kiara being annoying unfunny bitch
Until this very day

>>71723973
Is this what nijischizo all about? Kek

>>71723973
Reminder that Mocca was right.

>>71756472
Is that why Ame's, Kronii's, Kobo's, and even Mori's ccv cratered as a direct result of collabing with and shilling for males?
Is that why Raden saw a 20% dip in ccv, even after she addressed it and ran damage control?

>>71784713
No one considered it as such. Yugo leaving sounded somewhat reasonable that it didn't work out despite Niji making a massive mistake in hiring and the fact that it was quiet and divulged little information and looked amicable meant people didn't really sense anything was off until Zaion. Even without that, the latter quarter of 2022 was massively wasted on the Niji side because they lost the better growth rates they had with the COVID period in comparison to Hololive and they both settled into similar slower growth rates without having the problems that Hololive was having spilling out into the spotlight. But we know now they were absolutely embroiled in their own issues with projects denial and cancellations internally.
>>71802457
Holo issues with their fanbase on this one issue isn't Nijisanji's problem with theirs as seen in the data that was presented. Same can be said about the Chinese fujo problems with NijiEN males' fanbase that don't affect Holostars.

>>71802373
What'd Mocca say?

>>71802457
Nigga pls Mori CCV literally shot to the moon after the Trash Taste podcast.