/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Wait until he learns about FlaVR. But that viral engagement though. Pippa deserves it.

>>71630055
>NovelAI is AI Art
Anon, I-

Asmonbald liked the post, he will talk about it next stream

>>71630055
damn im surprised that popped off on twitter
just seems like such a nothingburger rehash of talking points

>>71630055
>PRE-DEBUT
Every time

>>71630055

>>71630055
>Tumblresque profile picture
>PRE-DEBUT, which means VTweeter
>Shitting on other people instead of working on their shit
>Thinking NovelAI is AI Art, when it is a writing tool
What a joke

>>71630055
Yes.
novelai is shit thoughever. it gets the "vibe" and all the "details I don't care about" right, that's about it, the furry model with hll is infinitely more based.

>>71630055
Ai art is great debating about its ethics is autism max. I will however torment artists who hate ai by using their art to train it like neonbeat it makes it even sweeter finding out he hates it and was a scammer.

>>71630616
Of course the big indies and vtubers are just keeping their mouth shut and pretending like they dont see it.

HEY, TURK. WHERE'S MY FUCKING NEW MODELZ YOU LAZY BASTARD, KAYRA IS ALREADY OLD AS FUCK

>>71631895
>>71630383
They implemented an art generator ages ago.

it's over for griftkin pippa

total vtweeter death

>novelai
>instead of just churning autogtp through semrush

Jesus fucking christ, this is the equivalent of doing a "big impressive video game demonstration collab" and playing fucking genshin. I always had a hunch that pippa was a piece of shit, thanks for confirming it, though maybe it's a forced sponsor fuck stream but I don't know nor care.

I thought Elon would make all these animals sudoku but they're still there on that website

>>71630055
>pre-debut
>a retard
Pick two.
Eternal vtweeters can't stay a day without being jealous.

>>71633384
Elon is too busy coming up with new ways to make the app worse Anon, sorry

>>71630055
>novelai
lmao dont pay them shit anons, go yodayo for free

This is evolution deal with it. Adapt or die.

>>71630055
>predebut
lmao

>>71633835
>do worse work faster for less money or die

Oh gee I can't see a way this could possibly end up badly. Just like how twitter and tiktok were the cradles of human culture.

>>71632916
WATCH OUT THEY HAVE A BLOCK BUTTON AND THEY'RE NOT AFRAID TO USE IT!

>>71633835
ethics are silly and its sad that it's a main talking point, the reality is that ai is currently taking jobs and will probably continue to take more

>>71634594
Good. Fuck artists.

>>71630616
They're hoping that they can ride some sort of outrage-wave to gain more popularity but since there's a new clown yelling at AI-clouds every day on x.com (formerly twitter) it's just grifters getting in too late on the anti-bandwaggon grift

>>71634594
this is a good thing, if you think otherwise you are retarded.
>w-we need to stop the advancement of technology b-b-because
fuck off lol

>>71630055
People will attack the messenger but they are 100% correct. The vtuber/artist relationship is undeniable. Then again Pippa has made a career chasing controversy and drama so I'm not surprised she would sink this low.

>>71634594
Realistically, it won't. Instead it's just going to be used as a tool for artists, and the jobs will shift to use it as a base and retouching rather than drawing everything from scratch.

When the industrial revolution happened people hundred of people lost their jobs, when the car industry get robots to make most of the jobs lost of people lost their jobs. You think morals stops that ? NO!
This is how things are liking or not is part of evolution.

>>71633758
Too late, Pippa's stream was kino (as expected of her) and hundreds of viewers likely used her 10% coupon to buy a subscription. All according to plan for Novel AI. They may have astroturfed the entire Twatter riot btw.

Roko's basilisk cannot become self aware soon enough

>technology taking jobs for centuries
>takes artists jobs
>*suddenly freakout*
sure you have a right to live an easy life drawing things

>>71635111
If an artist can be replaced by AI because their work is so low quality, they deserve it.

>>71632916
filian lives rent free in these twitter troons heads

>>71634702
Anon, it'll be more than artists after a while.

>>71635215
This is correct. But luddites are being way too alarmist about it

>>71634594
The ethics does matter. Watch as the big corpos will attempt to copyright an "artstyle" because of AI. The best option is to keep it copyright free and public domain. But corpos want to make money, and lazyfucks will keep being lazy instead of learning art.

>>71635215
i'm not talking about what it *might* do in the future. it already has taken some. Right now. There's no 'realistically' or 'theoretically' involved.
What is going to happen is going to depend on executive decisions on whether or not they want to really push it to be mainstream, which will probably be affected by short term profits and reception on new projects with ai art

>brown
opinion discarded

>>71632916
>Youtube has less than 50 subs
>Only 30 followers on Twitch

I'm sure Pippa and Filian are terrified.

>>71630055
>useless PRE-DEBUT poser
>pronouns in bio
>shitting on cool technology
>grifting on other people's success
Every single time.

>>71636013
The problem is less quality than homogenuity. (Pun unitended). Corpos are ready to save money using AI instead of paying an artist for a big commish. Alternatively, the may end hiring an artist purely to "touch up" an AI generated piece, which would be just as soulless.

>>71635215
wtf, drawing is the fun part, it's like inventing a robot to have sex with your wife while you get to clean up afterwards

>>71630055
I saw this tweet and thought for a second it would make a good bait thread lol.
Anyways I do feel bad for her artist and ligger, it feels weird a fucking vtuber, especially one with a jap artist, and in a corpo would be promoting and getting paid by an Ai art generator.
Also the stream btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9PQkNOo0aw

>>71636243
Don’t expect a board full of NEETs to understand what you’re talking about when it comes to the potential of jobs dying due to corporations replacing everything with AI/automation. They’re just going to kill themselves once their parents cut them off or die themselves.

>>71636769
>does he know

>>71630055
No.

>>71636939
Or we're just not retarded and realize that bitching about so like a child isn't going to stop it from being used. Most vtubers fans are older and we're old enough to know that either you adapt to the market or get left behind. That just how it is so stop crying.

>>71636769
Yeah, I know, but unfortunately that's where it's heading. It's gonna be a job more about managing the AI rather than creating from scratch. Viva la efficiencey, or whatever.
Pippa's always been a fan of NovelAI though. She loves RPing with characters. Dunno what her stance is on the art, though.

>>71636939
im sure you are equally as remorseful about lost jobs of scribes and portrait painters due to printing presses and cameras. im certain you don't use any of these devilish devices, right?

>>71636881
I don't really care about Pippa messing around with AI for fun for some of her streams but this particular case is fairly unkind to your fanartists/mama as their work would have certainly be fed to novelai's algorithm to be able to reproduce her for the thumbnails etc.

>>71636939
no i don't think getting an artist to touch up ai work accomplishes what using ai art is supposed to, which is to avoid paying another person. i don't think there's a way to do this where it doesn't end up the equivalent of just hiring an artist normally or just using ai art which has been slightly edited but is otherwise identical.
the way i see it happening is if they decide to use ai art, there will be a push to normalize ai art in the mainstream until people do not care that something is ai generated
that might not be successful if they give up on it too soon, but otherwise it could work

>>71637339
I don’t believe you’re older than 14

>>71636939
I know, but 4chan is meant to be anonymous. I am speaking as someone who had worked in a job where I researched and profiled people. That job could easily be replaced with AI, and I suspect it already happened. I know that automation will affect employment. But I am also a creative, and playing around with AI generation in art and text has allowed me to come out with ideas. Its why I dont want to knock it off completely.

Its why I think people really need to look at this situation more critically. It WILL affect jobs. But it can also be a huge aid to artists and writers.

I love the AI art debate because the only artists that are worried are the ones without any skill or talent. Artists that are actually worth anything aren't worried, because they know they're not getting replaced any time soon.

>>71637755
generating AI is so piss easy and the quality is already pretty good there will be no real need for a middle man within a pretty short timeframe

>>71637339
To add on, I am old enough to remember when printed media was the way to go, artists have already had to adapt to going digital, to pirating of their works due to online, the absolute need of social media marketing, and the need to do 18+ arts to stay afloat. This is just one more thing they have to adapt to. What happened to all the artist that bitched and moaned about digital, social media, and 18+? Well they are either not artists anymore or only draw as a hobby, they didn't make it.

>>71637873
You can question my age all you want, it doesn't change the reality of the situation.

hmm...
has ai art been turned into a political issue?
that seems like the best way to garner support for ai
>>71638010
is it though? most of the ai art out there looks the same, I imagine it'd take more effort to differentiate it

>>71637741
Pretty much. I can see artists not wanting to work with Phase anymore in the long run.

I work as a paid drafter. My career has been radically affected by modernization. You learn to adapt instead of bitching about it. "Creative" types are just malding that their Specialness isn't as unique as they assumed it always would be. Maybe now they'll treat it as a career instead of a paid hobby.

And no, I'm not worried about AI taking my job because everyone throws a shitfit if anything I draft is off on a 1/4 inch across a football field sized building.

>>71638545
AI is not a political issue, but it could be if artists start lobbying for restrictions on ai. They probably won't win though.

>>71638010
Anon, its one thing to generate, its another to fix it.

>>71637755
I dont think ai art is "supposed" to avoid paying a person. I read the research papers related to ai, and its really more about getting ai to understand art and concepts. Its all maths, its why safetensors are all maths and dont have images. Its also why ai generation can be messy when you try to generate sex - the ai does not know that girl x is in love with boy y, it only knows that a picture has x and y.

Its why to me the tech is more interesting when its used to supplement art. But freeloaders see it as a means to make impressive pics without effort, while luddites are ready tl throw the baby out with the bathwater.

>>71638679
Unlikely. Money and clout talks louder than flimsy values only held by activists and sub par artists.

>>71638545
maybe in the short term but not for long. people who say "adapt or die!!!!!!!!!!!!" don't really understand that there's nothing to adapt to in this particular situation

>>71638545
>most of the ai art out there looks the same
Because people are unimaginative and use the same prompts. AI is evolving and becoming better by the day. Retards and faggots on Twitter can pretend it's all still AOMslop but if you compare how things were last year to today, you'll see the technology has already improved by leaps and bounds. That's why so many of them shifted the conversation from "lol AI will never replace real artists" to "AI is looking too close to the style of real artists and it's theft"

>>71638843
i'm pretty sure any elitism 2d artists felt about their careers has already been stripped away by 3d art
like i feel like if companies wanted to replace their 2d artists they already could, 3d has basically all the same advantages over 2d as ai does over not-ai
and i think that has been happening, big budget games have less and less 2d

>>71633384
There’s nowhere else to actually go so they’ll stay no matter how loudly they denounce the site.

>>71639294
Not sure what you mean by this, but artists and literally every working person needs to adapt or die every year. Just think back 5 years and think about all the different things that changed from back then. Hell think back 2 years and unless your in some very grounded job with no change, you will see all the changes in tech that you, your contractors, your vendors, and your competitors use.

>>71630055
>pre-debut
And now, I regret not saving the Phase soundposts about vtweeters being subhuman.

>>71639437
yea jokes on everyone in this thread there were never any jobs for artists to lose in the first place kek

>griftkin pippa
>AI turds
If I was Pippa I'd genuine just off myself
This is about the only trash that is willing to associate with her

>>71639312
>AI is looking too close to the style of real artists and it's theft

And this shit is why big corpos will attempt to copyright a style if given the chance. If any of you faggots REALLY care about creativity, this is what you should be lobbying against. Because corpos are ready to not only pay artists but also sue you for making art, even if its free. And if that sounds farfetched, remember that Nintendo keeps attacking letsplayers and streamers - and nintendrones still defend them.

>>71639053
i mean the only reason companies are interested in ai art is so that they can avoid paying the artist. not like they care how the artist makes their art.
>>71639312
i thought it was more about the database used to train the model?
main problem is that there really is nothing for artists to adapt to because the whole point is to get them out of the equation. if you have to hire someone to manage the ai you might as well have hired an artist. i'm fairly sure art is already pretty cheap

>>71639437
That's part of what I was referring to. For centuries it was all pencil, paper and ruler. Then it was this talking box with moving pictures you could do primitive 2D in, then it became 3D modeling and you're now doing the work of 10 people.

I literally do the work that it took 10 people to do 40 years ago. If that many artists have to be made redundant to stay modern, that's what's going to happen and you better keep up and stay as the 1 person still needed.

https://files.catbox.moe/qrenuu.mp4

Every single artist I've ever been acquaintances with is the same; mentally ill, incapable of accepting compliments despite always fishing for them, uncommunicative if you try and approach them for commissions (as in they'll open commissions and then not reply to DMs for days, if not weeks, and good luck trying to get a status update out of them), and generally just miserable to be around.

Instant ramen did not in the end phase out ramen chefs, but the ramen chef job market sure as fuck was disrupted, it's now mostly artisanal rather than available at many price points.

>comparing AI to instant ramen
Yeah? Not hard to make output, homogeneous in quality, massive in quantity, spammed to death

>>71632916
https://twitter.com/AbysmalRae/status/1759612897095762143

it got shat on hard the last time it tried to cancel her

So was the stream interesting? That’s the only thing that matters.

>>71640042
>you needed 40 artists to do art back then
No you only needed 1
Are you 11 years old or something? Do you think there were dedicated artists for each body part? There is no way you are that retarded right

>>71640185
A grifting piece of shit

>>71639839
by that I mean, prompters, editors, whatever exists in the short-term, will be superceded very rapidly as the technology becomes better and more self reliant to the point that no middle men are required, and by then is such an uncreative, unfamiliar process to artists who were in love with drawing and so on that you might as well just draw for fun and get an unrelated job

>>71640042
(dunno if i wanna reply to this saying basically what I already said)
but the whole point of ai art is to get the artist out of the picture. there's no difference in hiring an artist to make ai art or an artist to make not-ai art. that is the biggest difference between ai and any other change. basically managing an ai would become part of a programmer's job or something like that.

>>71630055
People need to grow the fuck up when it comes to AI art.
>B-but muh artfags?!
Fuck off. None of them complained when photoshop made their jobs much easier and made their work much cheaper driving many genuine artists to adapt or stagnate. It's like fucking monks and scribes pissing and shitting themselves over the invention of the printing press. If you got your views on this topic from artfags on twitter you need to rapidly remove your head from your anus instead of posting on the internet.

>>71630055
Fuck artists

>>71640303
You're such a spaz. I was referring to being a drafter. The same can be said of artists in that instead of the 10 you use now, you can get by with 1 and use AI for the output you needed the other 9 for.

>>71639991
I don't give a fuck about creativity. Other people can hoist that flag if they want. I want to generate the pics I want to see in the styles I like for free and that's it. I'm not "picking up a pencil." I'm not wasting my already limited time—time I already have to budget between work, rest, other miscellaneous responsibilities, and my preexisting hobbies—learning how to draw. If artists don't like that, they can eat shit. All the shitty memes and Twitter circlejerking around "AI... BAD!" is not going to change my mind.

>>71637045
Mechazawa is too cool, his smooth Wakamoto voice is irresitible to all. And he turns into a bike too wich is a plus.

>>71640303
>There is no way you are that retarded right
NTA but there is no way you're this illiterate

AI art is art. It says it right there in the name.

>Check out my great "art!"
>mutated limbs
>body parts not connecting
>obvious theft of multiple images just glued together
>looks nothing like the character
>if it does then it was edited post "art" to include the details the ai cannot add

No different than NFTbros pushing their shit for the past 10 years
Buy my monkey with a yellow scar by the way, its worth 1000 bitcoin

>>71639218
So it’ll end up being that the ones willing to work for them are as clout chasing and menhera as the girls themselves

>>71640416
Probably desu. A lot of hobbies are jobs for the top % in those hobbies

>>71640416
You do understand that will never happen though right?

There will literally never be a self-sufficient AI art creator.

It's kinda funny. Every time I start thinking I should give Pippa a chance again. She does something stupid.

>>71640451
I think as AI art becomes more advanced, it will go back to being a creative job to manage it.
Eventually it will be possible to direct the composition, lighting, style, etc. much better than is possible now.
And then people who make AI art will still need to know art concepts related to what makes art good, they just won't need to actually know how to draw.
As AI gets better even the basic result from people with zero skill will get better, but the difference between the two will be obvious.

>>71640656
But enough about the shortcomings of twitter artists, talk about AI art already.

The seethe of "artists" gives me strength. Learn to weld hahahahahahaha

>>71639949
Your life is definitely worst then pippa's, why havent you offed yourself yet?

>>71640656
>>obvious theft of multiple images just glued together
you don't know how AI works

>>71640697
Pippa has done several AI art generating streams, this is just the first one with a sponsorship from NovelAI.
Vtweeters are just mad she is making money.

>>71640889
Last time I checked I'm not the laughing stock of the vtubing industry so no I'm not on her level
Fortunately I never will be

>>71640656
I like that you subtly tried to work in image editing as something to seethe about. What's next, image editing is stealing too?

This is retarded even by Pippa's standards. Why would she even do this? I'm gonna guess her fans are "yas queen"-ing this too?

>>71640663
Just because it's against your values doesn't mean it's against others. People still make careers off working with Hive and Nijisanji despite them pissing off artists in the past for their own run ins with entitled artists. You aren't as important as you think you are.

>>71640966
>laughing stock of the vtubing industry
Is that why several holos DM Pippa?

>>71640966
Cope and seethe. Also get a real job.

>>71630055
>PRE-DEBUT
every fucking time

>>71638992
I hope a bunch more people start using AI to commit high-profile crimes. At least that way it'd get attention.

>>71638019
>they are either not artists anymore or only draw as a hobby
We will all do whatever we do only as a hobby, because all jobs are going away. It won't be in a year or even five, but it will happen.

>>71640690
self sufficient in the sense that the people with the money can just generate what they want without anyone getting paid for it
>>71640817
it will be so piss easy nobody will be getting paid for it (as it already is). the moneymaking will be on the datasets themselves (aka openAI google and shit)

>>71641099
Is that why Pippa baits suicide and cries on stream how nobody wants to do anything with her?

>>71640966
She seems pretty fucking popular around the vtubing industry anon. You're definitely the laughing stock of /here/ though so you should probably just go ahead.

"Artists" can lobby for whatever the fuck they want. Actual professional ILLUSTRATORS don't give that much of a fuck about AI, which is why you only see this constant bitching and moaning on Twitter.

>>71641045
I don't even watch pippa and I think this is fine. Artists are so fucking cringe crying all day about this.

>>71640817
but no it won't, because there's no monetary benefit in making it better when people are already ok with it being at the level that it's at
i do think that ai art is technology that should exist, i just think that replacing artists will have negative effects in the long term and negative effects in the short term.
like with blockchain/nft stuff, i think the initial push to accept ai art comes with the whole 'it's still developing so its fine that its bad' angle
and in the long term people still love variance so it's the same thing where people mald at triple A games and gas up indie studios except there will be even less of them because studying art isn't a career option anymore

>>71641257
She's a woman with autism

>>71641045
Check out the thread, or the quote tweets to op.

>>71641045
Feel free to talk about the actual problem you think exists anon. We know you won't, but feel free.

>>71640924
If you think the ai draws anything on its own then you dont know how AI works

like the idea that ai art will get better *after* it has been adopted is a huge bait
there's no point in improving it if people are already paying for it

>>71641212
Piss easy to get shitty results, as it already is.
Go to /vtai/ and the difference between straight outputs and ones that took time is staggering.
The future is in local models, not lobotomized corporate shite.
>>71641336
Human art will always exist, just.... not as much of it. But that discussion is still many years in the future.

>>71641425
A lot of vtubers have autism and people associate with them so no its not that. Keep the cope going though

>>71641474
making an equally stupid assumption does not stop the original claim from being retarded, anon.

>>71641309
are you stupid there's stacks of illustrators who hate this like ian mcque miyazaki henken_second etc. the ones who embrace it are grifters like akamatsu or hyung tae kim who already didn't draw for years and have their assistants do everything because they forgot how to draw.

>>71641569
>there's no point in improving it if people are already paying for it
This is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. You might as well have said that all technological process just stops the moment it becomes monetized.

>>71630055
>pre-debut """""vtuber"""""" starting drama on twitter
really makes you think

>>71640543
>>71634702
Okay, setting aside the whole debate about AI, I never understand this take. What the hell did artists ever do to warrant such spite?

>>71641623
>facts are now stupid

>>71640095
That’s on you. Stop hanging around hobbyists that are clearly not serious or responsible about running a business

>>71640942
I mean yeah, makes sense. Making money off Ai art is slightly worst then just making it for fun.

>>71641775
Entitlement

>>71641711
i am saying that technology only develops when there is a need
ever heard about war inspiring innovation?

>>71641672
>Cockstar designer
>old man yelling at cloud who'd send everyone back to the fucking 1500s if he could because he thinks computers are the devil
>WHO?

>>71641569
I sincerely hope you're like 15 years old anon, because that was honestly one of the dumbest things I've seen posted here all week.
>Products never improve after they've been on the market!
My nigger even basic shit like screwdrivers get improved every other year, what the fuck are you even going on about you inbred spastic. It's like saying actual artists don't improve once people start buying art, god fucking damnit you retard can you fucking think for like half a fucking second before you sperg your retarded shit on the board.

>>71641800
>facts
>"here is my assumption of what you think, now concede"

Good night and seethe harder artists. Time stops for nobody

>>71641775
Artists (obviously not ALL of them, but a good portion of them) are entitled, overpaid, petulant little shits. They behave in ways that would get them fired in any other job.
I gain pleasure from seeing them quake in their boots as their golden cage is threatened.

>>71641876
>i am saying that technology only develops when there is a need
Yeah, and the need is better AI art, hence why V4 of NAI is already in development and has been for several months despite V3 being finished and monetized.

>>71641876
Please stop talking and get the fuck out of here, don't come back until your balls have dropped kid.

>>71641775
Honestly this one bugs me too. These people are just... annoyed? Jealous? Envious that they have ideas but can't be assed to learn to either paint them themselves or pay somebody who can? It's bizarre how much emotion they put into "owning" the artists.

>>71641585
if you seriously think the point of this technology is to create some glorified artform of "prompting" and "prompters" then you are so stupidly naive i don't really know what to say

>>71630055
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlM5Xm0cVN8

>>71641872
Entitlement to what exactly? Art is already an unstable field that leaves you living paycheck to paycheck if you work on commission. The only saving grace is that it lets you pursue something you're passionate about. So is it just people who hate their jobs and want everyone else to have a miserable career?

Not a very good defence force you have out here Pippa.

>>71641775
Take a good hard look at how many projects get fucked over by artist drama. It's one of the most common ways Indie projects are kill and one of the great limiting factors for long term projects because getting consistent output from an artist is like getting a rat to sing opera.

>>71642089
You are free to educate us and prove us all wrong mr AI artist.
Tell us how the ai works and why websites such as fanbox, pixiv, the boorus and other places where people posted art had to put in special measures to prevent the AI from stealing art.

>>71642151
>artists
>overpaid
???????????
?????????????????
bro animators get paid like 5 cents an hr lel

>>71642151
this

>>71641257
Did this actually happen? There’s so many suicide baits I can’t keep track of them all.

>>71641775
It's not artists per say. It's just that the ones who complain about AI the most are usually loud obnoxious twitter creatures who moralize things out of self interest in a painfully transparent manner.

>>71641569
>like the idea that ai art will get better *after* it has been adopted is a huge bait

You cannot be serious

LOL

>>71641775
I don't hate artists, but it's annoying how people rally behind them as though they are more important than the thousands of other professions that have been diminished by automation and AI. Nobody gives a shit when a working class person loses their job to tech but artists are untouchable for some reason.

>>71642439
This is bullshit anon. Artists are the ones who force the issue of needing to live by commission because they're notoriously incapable of sticking to long-term projects.

>>71642043
>>Products never improve after they've been on the market!
no, they literally don't
they actively get worse as the manufacturers figure out how to save costs while getting you to still pay for it

>>71641775
They're annoying people. Like, that's really it. Even when I try to do business with them, they're fucking annoying. Why do you have COMMISSIONS OPEN in your bio but without an actual commission sheet somewhere easily visible? Why do you constantly forget to take down your COMMISSIONS OPEN posts when you've already filled up all of your slots? Why do I have to wait several days for you to get back to me for a price estimate on something specific? Why are you retweeting other shit and talking to people instead of answering your DMs? Why can't you ever give me a fucking update on how things are going without me having to prompt you for one? Why do you reply to one DM and then fuck off for the rest of the day as if we aren't having a conversation? Why do you make it so difficult to work with you on every single level? I am TRYING to put money in your pocket and you are giving me every reason to just go "Fuck it, I'll just go get an AI to do it and edit the image in Photoshop" instead.

>>71642151
>overpaid
in what universe? I'm a recent graduate searching for graphic design jobs, and even having a bachelor's degree will only get you barely above minimum wage.

>>71630055
depends on the AI if it's obviously traced then no, if it randomized it's reference and it created a new artstyle then yes.

>>71642580
Dont know how you've never seen it. She is infamous for doing it constantly

>>71642552
>Implying art theft didn't happen all the time prior to AI art
Bruh. Did you fucking miss the whole NFT debacle? Art theft massively didn't change with the onset of AI art, if you think AI art is just slightly adjusted copy/pastes you should probably go and play in traffic or something.

>>71642859
>I'm a recent graduate searching for graphic design jobs

Ohnonononono should have been a plumber tranny

>>71642151
overpaid? what?
They had to work long hours to earn their skills, and even then they often get underpaid. I don't understand your logic here.

>>71642482
This thread stopped being about Pippa a while ago.

>>71642815

It's like I'm getting flashbacks to working with artists on commercial jobs. I'm talking professional firms getting paid mid 5 figures a job.

>>71633384
you fell for the 'muh baste elon' meme?
lol. lmao even.

>>71642759
Anon. You literally have two examples that prove you wrong. How many generations of inbreeding is your family on?

>>71640291
I liked it. Yandere Pippa, Leonardo da Vinci Pippa, and all the JoJo Pippa were kino!

>>71642859
Check out any commission prices from cunts on Twitter.
On the low-end you're looking at 200€ per hour of work. That's over 10 times what an engineer makes. And it only goes up from there.

>>71641775
You know how people are cheering for AI to replace localizers in anime/manga/video games? This is basically the same thing, artists for the longest time have taunted/mocked the working class about how the arts can't be replaced by robots while they were losing their jobs, this is their comeuppance.

>>71642696
the issue from my perspective is less about art per se but that big tech being able to hoover up everyones personal data in this manner (including for purposes outside of creative fields) is something that i would expect to be deeply disturbing to most people

>>71642956
>if you think AI art is just slightly adjusted copy/pastes
That is literally exactly how it works.
I'll tell you again, prove us wrong and tell us how it works if I'm wrong.
You never will.

>>71642151
Literal decades of mainstream culture with the starving artist trope and now they’re suddenly entitled and overpaid kek

>>71643108
I'd say it's different because localizers are actively malicious while a lot of artists are simply incapable of normal human communication on a business level.

>>71630383
retard

>>71643100
go to fiverr instead stupid you get get anything you want for peanuts

>>71642859
>I'm a recent graduate
You don't even need to tell me what you graduated anon, this is a 'I have no experience' problem, not an artfag problem. Every fucking industry has this issue.

you cannot sell an improved ai art model to a company that is satisfied with how their audience is receiving their art.
current 'examples' mean nothing because ai art has not yet been adopted, meaning there is still moeny to be made

How are her co workers handling this? I know Shiina is an artist.

>>71633384
Their entire lives revolve around being upset on Twitter, they will never leave because they would have nothing if they did.

>>71641569
This nigga would have looked at the first steam powered autohammers in sheffield and been like "Lol meme technology came to market and got monetised, it's over and my field tilling job is safe"

Can't make this shit up

>>71643187
>Spoonfeed me on how it all works or my baseless fantasies are right!
Yea no anon, that's not how it works. I don't need to hold an entire lecture on how an AI generates images to 'disprove' your asinine beliefs.

Your claim is baseless nonsense, how about you prove it instead?

There is nothing wrong with creating AI art.
It's the retards that post the art online and try to pass it off as handmade trying to sell it on a pixiv booth AND not disclosing it's AI that are the problem.
There is inherently nothing wrong with using a tool for self-enrichment. You'll never get the results that some artists can deliver and people who look for quality will still commission great artists like Varniskarnis. Bootleg-quality AI art only frightens people who already got mogged by artists that deliver better commissions anyway - so no, promoting AI isn't the problem, just like promoting a gun isn't a problem in itself. It depends on the purpose the gun has in the user's hand.

>>71643388
Shiina is also a grifter so her opinion hardly matters

>>71643388
Imagining those people are on the same level as Pippa is the height of hubris.
They are "underlings"

>>71643388
Tenma has stated she is happy about people making AI art of her, as long as they always clearly state it's AI art.

>>71643388
Shiina's too busy making dumplings, probably.

>>71630055
>PRE-DEBUT
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>71630055
No one actually mad about this wasn't already mad at Pippa. So I think it's fine.

For me personally, it's not something I would do, but I don't really watch Pippa because I think she's smarter than me at things like this. I watch her because she's funny and weird.

>>71643524
>moving goalposts and deflecting
Embarrassing

>>71643388
Shiina is an objectively worse person than Pippa, and I say that as someone who vehemently dislikes the latter.

Those frustrated with artists, your commission isn't getting done because the guy you paid is in here arguing, as if it mattered.

Wasn’t Pippa about privacy and shit? Why is she so pro the data scraping machine just because it outputs pretty pictures?

>>71630055
At this point I think it doesn't even matter. It's like a singular person trying to stop an avalanche by standing in front of it waving arms and screaming like a maniac.

>>71641832
I've had a lot of artist friends too and there is something about art that requires a "tortured soul" they are all menhera / suffering from slow insidious depression / etc

>>71632916
Please don't try you are going to end up depressed in the end.

>>71640566
>I don't give a fuck about creativity.

Well you should. Because the whole point of having different artstyles IS creativity. The whole point of not being able to copyright an artstyle is because of creativity. Artstyles are supposed to be this unusually idiosyncratic things thats restricted to only a few artists, and by right you're not supposed to be able to copyright an artstyle because its like saying "you can't draw this way". But corpos won't really care if they can see a chance to prevent that from happening by arguing "anybody can do this artstyle, so lets prevent people from doing so"

>I want to generate the pics I want to see in the styles I like for free and that's it. I'm not "picking up a pencil." I'm not wasting my already limited time—time I already have to budget between work, rest, other miscellaneous responsibilities, and my preexisting hobbies—learning how to draw. If artists don't like that, they can eat shit. All the shitty memes and Twitter circlejerking around "AI... BAD!" is not going to change my mind.

I know you're arguing from the point of a freeloader who just wants to prompt and get quick results for free, but I can also tell you didn't get my fucking point. So I'll make it more obviously clear for you. I'm NOT against AI. I think there's a potential to AI generation that artists can benefit from. But I also know corpos love money and, aside from not paying artists, I am QUITE sure they'll start suing ai generation artists if given the chance. And thats my fucking point - Corpos can and WILL take your freedom to generate art on the fly if given the chance.
Its why you MUST give a fuck about creativity. And better yet, you should be fucking DOING something about it. As it is, I am making safetensors of some of my favourite characters and artstyles. Because chances are the day will come when the generator and lora sites will go down, and ai generation will end up being a homebrew thing. Unless we can prevent the big corpos from having their fucking way about this.

>>71643482
i think this is actually a great example of clarifying
ai art will almost definitely get improved, in terms of it's speed and efficiency. This is why other tools get improved, because those improvements will save money.
it will NOT get improved in quality, because as a subjective measurement, there is no quantifiable benefit in doing so.

>>71640185
>A/I
?!? do they think AI are pronouns or something?

>>71643100
That's Twitter. Of course they're cunts. I'm talking about actual professional artists. Ones who design packaging, signs, webpage graphics, etc. I've yet to see an artist in a professional setting who acts like what anons here are describing. The few commissions I've gotten from friends and family I've done for 10-15$ an hour.

>>71643694
Yeah, probably. That's also why they're fucking annoying—they argue on the Internet all goddamn day instead of drawing. Twitter artists will retweet a thousand memes about "lol didn't draw anything today such a big mood" while having 10 commissions they should be working on and then bitch about how they aren't making enough. Go fucking work, nigga.

>>71632916
Oh no. A video is going to be made.

>>71643616
i'll just say as someone who drew fanart of her that it's very offputting to know that the vtuber themselves advocates for your fanwork to be used in an algorithm like this w/o your knowledge or consent (how else would it be able to generate her?)

>>71642580
Not really. She had a little breakdown once after receiving tons of donations which lead to a bunch of catalog bait of people pretending that that it happened the other way around.
Pippa's story is the story of a sad wreck of a girl making it together with her fellow sad girls. I don't think that the guy you were talking to is anything more than a threadwatcher.

>>71643388
Not every artist is part of the twitter cult anon. They are in fact nowhere near as relevant as they'd like to pretend to be. Lots of (real) artists are actually excited by what they can do with these new tools, from basic shit like generating hair textures based on a template rather than having to spend hours colouring laborious detail, to having an AI double check a perspective drawing allowing for much deeper complexity. Artists have adapted to every other modernisation, if artists were so married to the idea of genuine art they should have started protesting when paint got mass produced and people no longer had to blend their own.

Imagine needing AI art because people don't draw enough art of you. A machine could never draw the ultimate sexo.

>>71640924
It's you who don't know how AI art works. Without ingesting thousands of pre-existing drawings and turning them into weights and biases, it could never reproduce even the simplest scribble. Whether that's theft or not is a legal, ethical, and moral question, not a technical one.

>>71643658
NTA, that's an entirely different anon you're arguing with
>t. anon who called you a retard

>>71643658
The goal is the same as always anon. You made a claim, you back it up. Giving other people work to do to 'prove my weird nonsense wrong' is never going to work.

>>71643521
I just want my google image results to not be trash without having to set it before 2022

>>71637339
there are currently no AI companies actually turning a profit from AI and it is an enormous expense so actually everyone whining about how awful it is while it has no real world use case except letting lazy people put out "work" that looks like absolute dogshit to anyone with sense is thoroughly and completely winning. everyone thinks it sucks shit except tech companies lol.

LLMs have great uses but the entire AI branding and every use case thats currently touted as some world beating technology (aka looks like absolute shit) is a total failure. its NFTs 2

>>71643869
You aren't understanding me, anon. Everything you're saying is valid and/or correct. I'm simply not interested in the argument. Other people, people who are more interested in the rights/ethics of AI art or want to push the technology as far as it can go without being hindered by government interference, can fight that fight. I'm not knocking the ones who do, but all I want is to generate things I like every now and again.

>>71641852
>worst then
>worst
>then

>>71644014
iirc NAI is very open about the fact that their dataset is all scraped from danbooru

>>71643902
>it will NOT get improved in quality, because as a subjective measurement, there is no quantifiable benefit in doing so

You are so retarded that it's hard to fathom. How did you even get that conclusion from my example? Seek help.

>>71644031
it doesn't take a good artist a lot of time to do details, there are tricks to that stuff with the tools that already exist.
you know, i'll forgive your examples on account of you not being an artist, so I can imagine that there are some scenarios where ai will help. the problem is that using ai that way is completely irrelevant to the topic, because the topic isn't about using ai in a way where you still have to pay your artist (no profits, why even bother thinking about it lmao), it's about using ai to cut the artist out of the payroll

>>71644103
AI provided me with a multitude of art of Shiorin giving head and that's all I need, so AI wins.

>>71644213
You are the one that made the claim of me not knowing how AI works. I replied telling you exactly how it works, prove me wrong faggot. You cant.

>>71633226
It was a sponsored stream dummy

>>71644308
yes and there is a lot of fanart of pippa on danbooru. It is not a very kind thing to do to your fanbase.

>>71640924
Thats like saying an artist emulating Jojo art by eyeballing Araki's art is theft. (which is a bullshit statement, by the way) Its also why I'm making a stink about copyright an artstyle. Because this IS the angle corpos will take if given the chance. And its going to be bad for EVERYBODY, both fanartist and ai generators alike.

>>71630055
>predebut
>ugly art
>pronouns in bio

a living stereotype

>>71644413
Could never beat real SOVL art.

This whole thing starts to make sense if you consider that like 90% of artists have a humiliation fetish.

>>71644639
I wanna fuck that Aqua. Goddamn, I love stupid girls so much.

>>71644293
And I think you should be interested. Unless you actually don't care if you lose the right to generate art when the big corpos act up. Which I understand, but I'll also pity you if that happens. I hope it doesn't, for both of us.

>>71643694
the fucking cunt artists who watermark their "art" with "NO AI" shit piss me off to no end
like why would i EVER commission your retard ass for anything that's just going to get watermarked with dumb shit
it just drives me to AI, these people don't deserve money

What a colossal cunt. This woman went through the ringer, was baptized by black company fires so lethal that her life was nearly snuffed out by them. Just for some Vtweeter navelgazing nobody to act like they are disposable trash for collabing with an AI art enthusiast. A sister beneath the skin if I ever saw one.

>>71642696
I hear people mad at robots replacing jobs all the time, I recall in my town especially when Self-checkout machines were first introduced. There's stories, shows, etc based around the idea. The writers strike last year was raving about Ai taking their jobs too. In this thread you can see a lot of people doesn't "give a shit", about artist being fucked over too, you don't.

>>71642151
Artists are very much not overpaid. Most of them aren't EVEN paid.

>>71641045
>I was totally just about to be a huge fan of the person I know nothing about
Why do people lie like that? Why pretend that somebody like you who is butthurt over AI would be interested in the chuuba that created her own fake vtuber company using AI that somehow turned into a real group of indies?

>>71644639
There was a AI "artist" last month that cried about other AI "artists" stealing his "art" and getting more impressions than him
You sure you are talking about the right people here

>>71644707
>it just drives me to AI, these people don't deserve money

Good for you. Now try generating the exact art you want that these people can't provide you. I've already done that. Have you?

>>71643694
their own fault for paying them, the entitled cunt artists always have red flags if you check their twitter for 10 seconds

Imagine not doing your art reps.

>>71644409
>it doesn't take a good artist a lot of time to do details
Nigger being good doesn't magically make big projects go faster, in fact the more detail and skill you're capable of the longer producing quality works will take.
>There are lots of tricks to that stuff already
And getting more tricks is then somehow bad? What a nonsensical attempt at an argument.
>it's about using ai to cut the artist out of the payroll
As if that's new or unique to art? Where were these twitter troons when randomly generated maps took level designers off the payroll? You can look at all sorts of games going back years where people used random generated assets to generate creatures, maps, levels, you name it. This is just an elaboration on that concept and artists feel threatened because they're no longer holding firmly to a monopoly, and fuck that entitled attitude.

>>71644604
NTA: true but the great thing is that everything is hotter when you're hard as diamonds, even AI slop

>>71644931
All those reps and you chose to draw a grifting useless shitter

>>71644767
>Artists are very much not overpaid. Most of them aren't EVEN paid.
That's because their art is worthless. Paying anything for something worth nothing is overpaying.

>>71645068
But thats not Pippa

>>71644706
Realistically, by the time corpos take proper aim at AI and make things so unnecessarily difficult that it's no longer worth it for the average person to generate images anymore, I probably won't be interested in it anymore. We're talking about something that's years off in the future, not because the government wouldn't do it but because they're all fucking incompetent and there's so much red tape they'd have to cut through. Corpos will inevitably try to ruin AI, but by then, I'll likely have had my fill and moved on.

>>71644441
>I replied to you with complete nonsense proving you (not actually you but another anon) correct!
Bruh?

the other thing i dont think some people is that the character you're trying to generate art of would look very different if they themselves were generated as well

>>71645068
Sana had the best tits, it doesn't matter.

>>71645110
Rent free seething tranny

>>71641775
>>71642290
They act like assholes on average and working with them is a massive pain because they are exceptionally unreliable and flaky.

>>71644025
I swear, too many times I look into a rrat and it turns out to be a bunch of bullshit misconstrued on purpose, even though it’s commonly accepted as truth.

Even the free bing generator can already make pretty good ai art with just a few prompts, the technology is here now, no matter how much they cry.

>>71645068
I don't think that I posted Pippa honestly, you must have bad sight.

>>71645129
>facts = nonsense

>>71645015
because none of the tricks you're talking about matter if the point is that there is no more artist to use those tricks
and there are people bitching about randomly generated levels, not in the sense that they care about level designers but in the sense that they would prefer levels to be more thought out

>>71645118
>I'll likely have had my fill and moved on.

I doubt it. I sincerely doubt it. You underestimate human creativity, even your own. (and yes, generating art with ai does take creativity as well) And you might start bemoaning it once the corpo man bring their lawyers. Its why I'm taking my measures now - I'm not going to let them have that satisfaction.

>>71645270
Rent free seething tranny

>>71630055
NAI's biggest flaw is that you have to wait several months for a new model to come out if you want to make art of anything recent (last training data set was from August iirc).

>>71645352
>It's a fact because I say so!
K.

>>71645426

>>71644897
yes actually, it's great for some niche fetish shit that most artists wouldn't bother with or would take months to actually fucking draw

>>71633384
You kidding right? He's paying them to puke shit out so people get mad and use his site more and rake in that sweet sweet clicks per interaction from ads.

>>71645068
>grifter
>left easy money on the table and walked away

>>71645269
Take the local pill.

>>71645402
>And you might start bemoaning it once the corpo man bring their lawyers.
Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not saying there's zero chance you're right and I won't lament my inaction, but the me I am today just doesn't want to fight about it. The people who do, who can, and who already are, I'm glad for, but it isn't for me.

>>71642482
What exactly is there to defend against? Someone is yapping on twitter and Pippa just had a sponsored stream that was well received by her audience.

>>71645516
>its not a fact because I say so
Prove us wrong and explain how AI works. Its that easy.

>>71641015
>What's next, image editing is stealing too?
Has been for a long time. In the past I tried posting some of my funny edits on Twatter, because I wanted to credit the original artists as the source material for my work, only to be blocked and harassed. Apparently they wanted my edits and memes to not exist at all. Of course I still spend hours of my time making my edits, because it's my hobby, but now I only post them here without crediting the artists, because doing otherwise is offensive? I don't get it. I think 99% of artists are assholes who need to be taught a lesson.

>>71645269
That new Sora thing freaked out a ton of people over in Hollywood, it already looks pretty decent for something that's basically in its first revision.

>>71645444
>MemevelAi

I know its supposed to be good, but NovelAI doesn't fucking know Baldur's Gate 3 characters. I want to generate Karlach from BG3, and it givens me some random fucking anime girl what the fuck. How am I supposed to get my porno of Karlach fucking Gale in the amazon position if NAI doesn't even know these characters. Its why I prefer civitai and pixai and use Loras.

>>71645366
>because none of the tricks you're talking about matter if the point is that there is no more artist to use those tricks
Never going to happen doomsday-kun, this is a genuinely pathetic attempt at an argument. If art genuinely becomes good enough to fully replace artist, why then would we even need artists anymore? Any reason you can give me is just proof that artists will never be fully replaced.
>and there are people bitching about randomly generated levels, not in the sense that they care about level designers but in the sense that they would prefer levels to be more thought out
And there is then a lot of love for media with more careful and properly created levels, which only goes further to prove that real artists, if they have value to add, will not be replaced.

It just means all the cookie-cutter slop artists are losing their easy job.

>>71645760
people like this are just shortsighted and don't realize that what you're asking for is no more art to make funny edits of

>>71645402
>once the corpo man bring their lawyers

Everyone who matters holds shares in nvidia. AI companies will get away with scraping your "art" indefinitely.

>>71645942
And you will be indefinitely shit on. Keep seething forever and take it to the grave

>>71645899
>Baldur's Gate 3
lol

>>71645572
Good. Personally, I prefer to commission artists when AI can't give me the results I want. Also, commissioning artists actually helps me generate more art, as it gives me something to feed the AI with

>>71644604
I bet you could train it to do it.

>>71645719
>It's up to you to prove my randomly generated nonsense wrong!
Nah. If you told me windmills cure cancer because the blades spin in the sun I have no obligation to 'prove you wrong' anon, I'll just laugh at you for being fucking retarded and point that out. Ha. Ha.

>>71646049
I'm an electrician nigger, my job will outlast whatever gay shit you do lol lmao

>>71645076
Well if they aren't being paid anything then they aren't overpaid. By definition. I don't know why you think hating artists is BASED. Try thinking for yourself some. You're literally on a vtuber board which is a whole scene founded by many many artists.

>>71645624
But I wanted to proof that it's getting as easy as using a website/app on your smartphone. Local will always be a niche thing, so artists arent that scared of it, while things like bing or novelai scare the crap out of them because anyone can use them.

>>71644897
>the exact art
Why are you implying that an artist will be able to produce the exact thing you're thinking off? You know that that's not true.

>>71645901
>If art genuinely becomes good enough to fully replace artist, why then would we even need artists anymore?
because ai art becoming good enough to replace artists isn't about ai art being good, it's about lowering standards
>if they have value to add, will not be replaced
basically the same thing - people will still like non-generated art for the variety if nothing else, but there will be less of it if there are less artists because mainstream stuff is ai

>>71646118
>high quality
Heh
Couldn't even get her eye color right

>>71646118
SOVLess, lacks a style. Real art will always be superior.

>>71646107
Hey my oshi loves that game. Nerissa's BG3 streams were kino. I just happen to have a specific ship from that game, while she only goes for the vampire.

>>71644240
HOLY SHIT YEA. ALL I FUCKING SEE ON GOOGLE IMAGES WHEN SEARCHING FOR SOME KIND ART IS AI SLOP. FUCK SAKES.

>>71645402
>and yes, generating art with ai does take creativity as well
fuck please tell this to seething artcels who think composition somehow isn't creative now just because a machine is drawing it

>>71645899
That's why I said it's the biggest flaw of NAI. I'm curious to see how their chatbot model of the text generator is gonna fair to just jailbreaking clause.

>>71646259
And how would you know that? Have you tried commissioning an artist? Have you tried generating the art in an AI. Have you done either? Or both? Which I have, by the way.

>>71646296
adding the prompt get's bing to make shadows sharper for some reason.
>>71646297
Yes because it's not trained on vtubers, go into the vtuber ai general and look at some of the non-porn stuff they churn out. This all became "real" over the last few years, in 2 or 3 more you will not be able to see a difference anymore.
You just need an anon dedicated to train his model on your favorite artist.

>>71646152
The fact that you avoid answering is really funny. I'm honestly impressed you still go at it instead of having your ai chatgpt make a post for you. You retards usually do that.

>>71644752
>loosing
I'm seeing this so much that I'm starting to think that it's the correct spelling.
>collabing with an AI art enthusiast
Translation: somebody who has a separate AI art tag. Which is smart because it generally stops people from spamming your regular art tag with them.

>>71645760
reminds me of that retard on twitter who demanded people credit him whenever they drew "his" meme sweater that itself was a derivative of the virgin killer sweater he didn't credit
they are some of the most entitled people on the planet

>>71645076
So basically you're saying that art should not be a profession period?

>>71646419
Speaking as someone working with NAI mainly as a writer, I prefer to use NovelAI to touch up images I made in PixAI. I prefer to use NovelAI's text generator specifically, because its supposed to be free of the restrictions AIdungeon and the like have. It has really helped me as a writer. But when it comes to image generation, its good for inpainting, but its really bad at "non-popular" characters.

>>71646651
Just accept what people have known for thousands of years anon, real art is better.

>>71645269
>Even the free bing generator can already make pretty good ai art
It's crazy how fast AI art is improving.

>>71646404
because even if making ai art can take effort, there's no way you're going to be allowed to spend that much time on it.
by inflating the amount of time necessary to create a piece of art, artists are granted the time necessary to actually make it good.
this is actually like a kind of weird idea that I do think is at least somewhat true

>>71646651
You've been saying that for 2 years now and nothing changed
In fact this style of ai "Art" has been around since the 2010s. And those ai videos are just filters that tiktok whores have been using for a decade

You are using decades old shit and trying to say you invented new stuff

>>71646651
Does AI do porn? Most of the models I've ever messed with had pretty firm guardrails. It seemed like the future of AI stuff is everything having to fit the credit card friendly anti-porn set.

>>71646963
>You've been saying that for 2 years now and nothing changed

Are you actually fucking blind

Pippa's rigger lol.
https://twitter.com/925__niconico

>>71647009
local AI has always done porn
some cloudshit can do porn but the big ones are censored slop

>vtuber fans defending AI slop

>>71646287
>because ai art becoming good enough to replace artists isn't about ai art being good, it's about lowering standards
Up to the consumer and has absolutely nothing to do with AI. If lower standards are the concern then why isn't it happening with existing art? Companies can hire cheaper artist that make more mistakes, so why don't they?
>basically the same thing - people will still like non-generated art for the variety if nothing else, but there will be less of it if there are less artists because mainstream stuff is ai
I don't see the problem. More variety, smaller developers can have actual art with their projects instead of labouring away in obscurity because art is beyond their budget or their projects are too long term to retain reliable artists. It's kind of bad form to only argue from the perspective of the biggest of the big corpos somehow using AI art when there is a huge amount of legit benefit for smaller creatives who are getting their projects ignored because they lack visual art in a world where consumers will look at a book's cover and decide to read based on that.

The basic-bitch AI slop is going to be used by smaller projects and developers. Big companies will still have to hire 'real' artists to stand out form that crowd, and they will probably only appreciate in value as a result.

>>71646963
>You are using decades old shit and trying to say you invented new stuff
I see this happen all the time now with zoomers. They would take a concept that has been around since forever and they try to claim they invented it
Is it mental illness?

>>71647168
What is local AI?

>>71646845
>People knew about AI art thousands of years ago
???

Seems like some people in this thread don't support artists, which reminds me of a certain company's behavior.

>>71647209
Soon AI will be puppeting vtuber models and acting as an AI girlfriend. Seethe about it.

>>71646845
>Posts Kuroi Suna, one of the best artists doing art of vtubers
>"Look, this top 5% artist beats AI!"
That's not the gotcha you seem to think it is.
AI, in its current state of infancy, already mogs low end artists so hard they're on the verge of suicide.

>>71646297
I'd take the top left AI picture over what you just posted. The face in your picture looks fucked and the head isn't properly connected with the rest of her body.

>>71636769
>>71637357
This is what I hate most about AI art. Art is supposed to be a fun job that people go into because they're passionate about it. It's nothing like replacing uneducated sweatshop workers with machinery. This is replacing a nice job with a more tedious one.

>>71647338
AI image gen run locally on your machine. people mostly use Stable Diffusion

>>71647392
Hasn't Yagoo specifically said they are interested in this over at Cover? Eventually GurAI will be a reality. Maybe that's her real project that she's been working on all of this time?

>>71647458
Yes anon, doing your reps makes you good.

>>71647592
You are inventing shit in your head. He never said it

>>71647512
Yeah ok dude because most art and animation isn't farmed out to third world shitters and black companies. Get fucking real and get replaced Luddite.

>>71647512
Yea no fuck off. Tell that to the people who retire at 30 (if they make it that far) because they fucked up their wrists colouring manga. Yea fun art job guys woooo...

>>71647592
>GurAI is what it takes to get Gura to stream
Grim.

>>71645231
Are you talking about commission artists on twitter, or professional designers working at a company? Because the latter would quickly be fired if they can't meet a deadline.

>>71647786
Chumpedos wouldn't be able to tell the difference anyway, easy money

>>71646404
>>71646924
This is one of my personal favourite pieces that I've generated on pixai. Granted, its just the cover of Deus Ex, but using a lora trained on Gordon Freeman and the "depth" values of the Deus Ex cover. But its like looking at what a "Half-Life: Deus Ex" game might look like. Yes, it is why creativity is involved, even if its just ai generation - even how you order the words in the prompting can actually affect the generation. And thats not counting the various other vlaues you can use. There's a lot going on, and thats just going by PixAI, which is the "newbie-friendly" option.

>>71647512
Anime is basically made from sweatshops in Korea and Vietnam anon...
It's usually just the keyframes that are still drawn by the Japanese

Can we get those slacktivists to move to linux and boycott the privacy violating companies like M$, Google, Apple, Steam, Facebook etc?

>>71647703
I'm pretty sure he did. Plus Cover was pretty excited about the stuff Koyori has been doing with AI and even released a press release about it.

Art is good because it's a hobby, a fun thing that people can end up making money from as a plus. Typing words on a keyboard without any understanding of how cool it is to just sit back and draw is sad.

>>71647387
The difference is I never agreed to pay anyone.

>>71648187
Haha pull the other one anon

>>71647512
>Art is supposed to be a fun job

This is the most braindead take I've seen, and I say this as someone who actually knows animators. There's a reason why mangakas have health problems, there's a reason why Toriyama died young. Art is not a "fun" job.

>>71647220
>Companies can hire cheaper artist that make more mistakes, so why don't they?
i think that there are actually a lot of different reasons behind this that make it a bit complicated to summarize, so I'll just give the first few I thought of.
First of all, this does happen in other industries - for example comic books, meeting deadlines was way more important than 'good' art, there's videos about inkers and people who did this.
second, the artist themselves is a barrier. the artist's reputation is connected to their work, so they will do the best they can to get future jobs, so it's difficult to tell them to do worse.
third, finding artists who are just the right level of good enough to not lose profits and bad enough to lower standards over time is very difficult. Also, those artists will get better over time, so finding them isn't even a good investment.
Some of this is solved by using AI - it's already at that level where it's good enough but also bad enough, it is consistent, and we've already found it.
>I don't see the problem.
>The basic-bitch AI slop is going to be used by smaller projects and developers. Big companies will still have to hire 'real' artists to stand out form that crowd, and they will probably only appreciate in value as a result.
if what you described is how it turns out then maybe there won't be a problem, however that isn't really the case, as we've seen by modern patterns. I think it is much more likely that the big companies will be using AI because there is pressure to save costs on them, so only the medium sized developers will have real art. And if big companies aren't hiring real artists, then there won't be a large pool of talent to draw from.

>>71648262
Nothing is going to stop you from doing that though, so no point bitching about AI art.

>>71648087
It looks like dogshit

I'm an artist and I don't see the point in arguing over AI. Cat's out of the bag, what is anyone supposed to do about it? It's like nukes.

>>71648262
I don't need to be a cattle farmer to appreciate a steak, nor do I care to become one. Have fun spending upwards of dozens of hours on one piece just to still not be satisfied with the end result.

>>71647392
Vtubing will largely be replaced by personal companion AI eventually.

>>71648087
yeah that's my point exactly
usually when generating i have an image of what i want in my head, and i just use the AI as a tool to make my imagination reality.
artists don't want us to be able to create because they want to be elitist cunts because they sunk 10+ years into doing their art reps and they don't want it to be easy (and they're just entitled)

they don't even think about how much easier it would make "prototyping" art or making color/shading easier or anything.

>>71630055
it's fes time, who cares

>>71648371
>there's a reason why Toriyama died young.
Nigga, Toriyama fell and hit his fucking head. It wasn't a health complication. YOU could tip over and crack the back of your skull against the floor right now and die within seconds regardless of your age.

>>71648402
I use AI too, and it's great for both sides, what I don't enjoy is that people are bitching about artists here.

>>71648429
public opinion and (very related) mainstream adoption are still up in the air

>>71647749
That's exactly what I mean. Artists CHOOSE that path knowing full well those shitty conditions because they're passionate about it. They're willing to endure it because the creative venture brings them fulfillment. Why go out of your way to make it even harder for people like that to do what they love for a living by making them even more undervalued than they already are?

>>71648584
Maybe artists should stop being so hateable then.

>>71648429
Yeah this is my POV as well. I don't see how screaming at Pippa or any vtuber over things like this accomplishes anything. I refuse to get mad about it.

>>71643937
Theyre trying to avoid filters

>>71648683
Some of them are, some of them aren't. Depends on the person.

>>71648584
I've seen too many great projects I was looking forward to get shitcanned because an artist fucked up the project so I have my biases on that front. Still respect art in general especially the effort that goes into it, but the wider industry and common practices are in a terrible state.

>>71648584
i will stop bitching about artists when they stop endlessly screeching about AI and trying to criminalize it

>>71648429
>what is anyone supposed to do about it?

Well, Luddites spent quite an amount of time agitating, seething and smashing up machinery. Of course none of these cucks have the balls to drive a fertiliser bomb truck into OpenAI datacenters so it will just be cringe crying until they are all demoralised and replaced.

>>71641672
There was also that artist named urakata who had his artstyle reduced to an AI model, had some japanese fag impersonate him, repost the original artists' actual work while posting generated images, and even sent him a fuckton of death threats

>>71646963
>2 years now and nothing changed
actual retard. this is ai art from 2 years go.

>>71648600
Anon. These jobs are given to people who believe it will be a ramp to being able to do their own projects. They don't spend 18 hours a day colouring someone else's work because they're passionate about it, that's a retarded thing to suggest. People get stuck on that shit and ground down, breaking their bodies before they ever get to do the thing they're ACTUALLY passionate about.

>>71649021
See, that's objectively terrible, but it's also so insane that I can't help but laugh at the absurdity.

>>71644014
>it's very offputting to know that the vtuber themselves advocates for your fanwork to be used in an algorithm like this w/o your knowledge or consent
Oh my god, why are you all like this?
What's offputting about your work (which you released FOR FREE) being used to make funny memes >>71645760 or AI derivations or other stuff?
Literally, what is the problem???

>>71648527
Personally, I don't want to say "artists" like its "all artists" who are against it. I know a number of artists whoa re interested in what ai generation can offer. Hell, ai generation has allowed me to draft up two oc character designs, and I'm actually willing to pay a digital artist to do a "human-drawn" piece. Again, its why I say ai generation can be a boon.

>>71648417
Why thank you. I know I didn't put much effort into it. I still liked it because it was an experiment, which is what "normal" art is also about. Again, its why I say AI art shouldn't be discounted - just as one can experiment in "normal" art, they can also experiment in AI art. Both can inform each other, if only the luddies and freeloaders actually gave a fucking damn.

>>71648429
I'm not delusional enough to think anything will come of arguing about it. I've already accepted that I'll probably need to incorporate ai into my workflow. My issue is people saying that artists deserve to get screwed over.

>>71649089
Hell, even just one year ago was nothing more than AOMslop of "1girl, standing". People who think AI hasn't improved are insane.

>>71648087
That looks like shit.

>>71649154
Art theft and copying other artists' work has existed since cave painting existed so it's not even an AI problem.

the thing about the ethics argument is that it's usually a bad argument, but it's fantastic for public opinion, at least until they figure out it's a bad argument
so it's a double edged sword, since public opinion is very important
associating ai with nft's and crypto is a huge part of it

you guys are really listening to these "people"?

>>71643715
Because she’s retarded

>>71649295
>>71648417
Pretend artfags everyone. Can't even point to a problem.

>>71649419
why am i even surprised
typical twittard virtue signallers

>>71647009
yes, novelAI can do porn in case you weren't aware
https://files.catbox.moe/4j8a78.png

>>71649563
Artfags get the rope but please anon, your example is garbage. At least generate something decent.

>>71643715
>>71649535
Meds.

>>71649728
DANG THATS FLAT UOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>71649419
I form my own opinions, even if people I don't like agrees or my oshi disagrees.

>>71649728
jesus, NAI improved THAT much? i haven't seen it in over a year
that's nuts (and fucking hot)

>>71640924
Goddamn, all you AI bros are just retarded

>>71649419
Lol
>I'm listening to stories about pedophilia
Uhuh, why would you do that, exactly? Because that sounds like the type of shit a real pedophile would be jacking it to and very few normal people could stomach.
>The origins of the terms
Because words don't get adopted to newer, wider concepts? Please point me to the victim of 'lolicon' works? Even in the most generous interpretation where loli and a real child are actually interchangeable as a perversion wouldn't it be better for a pedophile to fantasise over a fictional child than a real one? Why would that upset you?

>>71640656
>>71649925
yeah bro >>71649728 looks nothing like biboo cunny
retard

For every person who claims they're using generative AI to scratch their own creative itch, there are 9 others who are grifters and just want to make money off suckers by pretending their art isn't AI generated
Fuck those 9 people

>>71648594
I think its going to be adopted in the mainstream quite soon, if not already. The REAL problem is if corpos attempt to copyright specific artstyles. Which may end up involving copyright actual fucking mathematics (because thats how loras and safetensors work)

>>71640656
>>71644243
Its not quite the same as NFTs as NFTs were an actual fucking scam and grift based on a blockchain, and investing on some meme currency that will never "go to the moon". We're talking about using mathematics to generate pictures, which is what AI generation REALLY boils down to - using AI to analyze art in terms of mathematics, and from their, using the mathematics to generate "similar" results to it. Because thats what art generation really is at the end of the day - its all math. All the loras, safetensors, even NAI's model, its all mathematics, really elaborate code trying to understand art. Speaking as somebody interested in art, one that that AI generation has opened me up to is how there is a certain mathematics to making pleasing art. I think thats a takeaway that could be beneficial to the traditional artists who do things by hand.

>>71650189
for the record, i think frauds like that deserve the rope too

>>71650189
>humans are using TECHNOLOGY THING to grift money from retards

Wow please tell me more about this astonishing development

>>71650189
Hah you should look at the state of creative writing, this has been a problem long before AI entered the scene, people have been stealing scripts in Hollywood for almost a century.

>>71647009
NAI doesn't advertise it but yes, it absolutely does porn.

>>71649821
Lol, I know my example is garbage, I won't argue with that. And I'm not obliged to generate something decent, I generated it purely for fun and to experiment.

>>71650448
Where did I say I'm opposed to the tech?
Ultimately it's just the grifters who grind my gears

>>71650189
>for every person that just wants to call their grandma, there are 9 other retards who want to run phone scams

>>71650189
If somebody is willing to pay you for your AI stuff then your AI stuff has value.

>>71650608
>Ultimately it's just the grifters who grind my gears

You should advocate for the racial extermination of Indians then

>>71650306
>I think its going to be adopted in the mainstream quite soon, if not already
i dont know about that, I expect the first mainstream thing admitting to using ai to bomb out of public opinion alone, discouraging anyone else from attempting it.
that is, if the fire the gun too early. they're still waiting to win people over, I think.
> I think thats a takeaway that could be beneficial to the traditional artists who do things by hand.
you're right, but you're missing the real issue, which is that ai art was not made to help artists, it was made to reduce costs by replacing them. They're not spending millions or however much to make your artist life a little easier or better, they're spending that much so that they can sell the model to a company with a promise of it being cheaper than hiring an artist

>>71650615
Even if they're charging even more than artists who don't use AI?

>>71650735
This but unironically. I wouldn't mind if every single Patreonfag pajeet using the same fucking prompts as his street shitter companions for his BBC garbage spam all died.

>>71650996
Some faggots are even uploading their shit to Kemono, making it hard for me to search for my specific fetishes
Fuck these grifting niggers

>>71650521
NAI doesn't autocomplete NSFW prompts but it's still there, just follow the danbooru tagging system.

>>71651188
yeah i can't even use the recent page anymore it's all filled with shitty patreon AIslop
people better not pay for this shit

>>71650735
And the Chinese.

>>71651367
>people better not pay for this shit
I wish. At least one of them is making $800+, which is a lot for a fucking Indian.

>>71650746
>They're not spending millions or however much to make your artist life a little easier or better, they're spending that much so that they can sell the model to a company with a promise of it being cheaper than hiring an artist

I know you're the guy whose been repeating this point throughout this thread, but I don't quite buy it. Or, and well if I do buy it - it makes me even more compelled to start training Loras on the art these techbros are clearly ignoring. And yes, I am making loras based off specific tumblr-based artstyles, as well as old characters.

>but why

Because I enjoy doing so. I can and will pay artists to draw some of these characters, but I also know many artists don't play the games or watch the shows I do. And honestly, I don't mind paying an artist to draw a picture if the AI can't generate it.

https://files.catbox.moe/859qh3.png

>>71652067
AI should refuse to make anything related to Nijisanji.

>>71649914
https://files.catbox.moe/5hfjjf.png

>>71652430
>not acknowledging that hot designs are hot
your coomer license is being revoked

>>71652430
AI art is all the EN branch will ever get, soon enough
I follow a lot of Niji JP fanartists though, they're pretty chill, some even obsessed with the vtubers that haven't streamed for years even

https://files.catbox.moe/nxfq24.png
I fundamentally refuse to stop generating Noel paizuri.

>>71652702
The recent NijiEN waves have no drama, it's all about older members

>>71649914
Its really great for generating Holomems. I was able to generate a lot of gura porn in a specific artists artstyle. Only problem with NAI is, and again, it can't manage old and obscure characters. Its why I use pixai (which is actually recommended by the vtai thread)