/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>71597994
10 nijishekels have been deposited to your steam gift card account. keep up the good work! thanks -Sylvie

>>71597994
no one in the history of mankind has ever hated on finana just because she has low views and not because of one or more of the countless retarded things she's done and said

>>71597994
Honestly? It's mostly because of Nijisanji fans on this board. I don't have anything against the talents themselves.

>>71597994

>>71597994
Aia just exists, I don't see much hate for her here. Finana has a laundry list of reasons to hate her.
Anyway the rest of what you said is tl;dr so I'm happy for you or sad that it happened.

>>71601065
>It's mostly because of Nijisanji fans
This. I would’ve honestly watched some of them if their fanbase weren’t so fucking cancerous especially on Twitter and I thought the Steven Universe fanbase was god awful.

>>71597994
finana is a funny joke, nobody hates on aia since they forgot she exists like most of nijiEN. the ones getting hate put themselves in the line of fire.
the forgettable like mikes waterbottle stay out of it

>>71597994
>>/vt/thread/71263514#p71266461

Cry me a fucking river. How about instead of being a little crying bitch about it go support them instead of crying about it here.

>>71597994
I moved from mainly holo to vspo and just now watching niji clips and they are really funny. I really like how their 3d streams are just like let's do some dumb shit like a jump rope contest or trying to make mikoto laugh while she has water in her mouth.

At first i just ignored niji cuz there were so many of them and holodex made it very easy to never see them, but wish I checked them out earlier

>>71597994
tldr; I'm a Newfag pls spoonfeed me
also I ain't reading that shit

>>71597994
Theres a few shitty Niji’s but theres also some Niji’s I like, I mostly just feel bad for the fans who still want to support their oshi in Niji while the company does nothing for them. Nijifags get shit for being hyper defensive of their company, but really they’re just defending their chuubas, I don’t think that’s inherently wrong, I don’t imagine most holofags here would suddenly drop their oshi if Hololive turned out to be shit.

>>71597994
the board is filled with people of a particular demographic who are incapable of feeling basic human emotions like empathy. i really don't know why they're like that. it has to be some cultural conditioning like the japanese had during ww2. they never open up about it even though they're completely anonymous.

>>71602362
i'm not denying the nijifans on this board, but i don't really get how you can be turned off from niji by nijifans on this board but not turned off from holo by holofans on this board.

>>71606880
You're kind of proving my point about you lacking a sense of empathy. I don't actually care about them all that much, I'm just asking why you feel the need to kick a poor person while they're down. A normal human being's empathy would kick in before that happened.

>>71609382
these "people" would probably cheer at a video of an elderly dog getting kicked.

>>71609543
This is kind of why I stopped following both NijiEN and HoloEN in general. NijiEN because all my oshis graduated, and HoloEN because they spend so much energy hating on Nijilivers that it can't imagine them having a normal happy life behind the screen. The kind of dedicated hate you see on this board is NOT something you just leave on the internet; it WILL affect your mental state, and not in a good way.

I mostly stick to Kawaii nowadays; they're schizos, but they sperg over reasonable shit like their oshis having BFs, not their oshis not making enough money for their corporate overlords.

>>71610291
i feel bad because i know the chuubas themselves are great, but i really think i'd be happiest if all the big corps just fucking exploded, 500ccv became the new soft-cap for vtubers, and 90% of these fags fucked off to ruin some other hobby.
honestly, i think most of the chuubas would be happier with that, too. 3view is truly the sweetspot of vtubing.

>>71597994
yeah I can't imagine why people would hate a bunch of disgusting cunts who bullied selen, a real mystery. fucking retard.

>>71610851
you're not actually opposed to bullying though.

>>71597994
The company is a literal trend chasing leech built on exploiting very young people. The talents are varying levels of unqualified because there is zero effort put into either recruitment or development. Niji's one attempt at it turned out to be just trying to get workers they didn't need to pay.

>>71610939
why, because I'm rude on an anonymous image board? try using your tiny brain and figure out what is actually bullying.

>>71611151
>The talents, I mean. Not that management.
read nigger, read. the first fucking words of OP's post and you couldn't figure it out.

>>71597994
you sound like some kind of parasocial fuck, anon.

>>71601065
>>71602362
As a small corpo fan, the refugee ex-nijifans we get seem like alright people

>>71609382
> I don't actually care about them all that much then stfu and do your reps on Finana
The other 2 are literal who's that no-one cares about. They get shouted down because they're part of a company fucking up on a monumental scale and they are products of a company no-one wants anything to do with. Buy some cement, mix with your coffee and harden up princess. This isn't your personal hugbox.

>>71611295
That's too retarded to be real that's like saying you hate a grocery store clerk

>>71609282
Fair point but even if I disregard this site, nijifans still act obnoxious on other medias. TikTok, Twitter, etc. can’t really tell the difference when most of the fans are kpop trannies

>>71611221
You're kicking an underage girl, who probably makes less than minimum wage, and has the mental age of a preteen, by using her own name as a universal measurement of failure for the entire industry. A reasonable person would consider that bullying.

>>71597994
>Nijicuck pushing the blame of selen's bullying onto the fanbase instead of the clique making her life hell and fucking with her projects
Absolute kek, If you wanna know the reason I personally hate the niji organs, It's cause of inbred NDF sisters like you constantly shitting on doki and sayu and hololive with bait and recycled defenses and absolutely retarded seethe, I truly wonder how long it will be before a niji organ is hard doxxed/swatted or stalked and seriously threatened by an Anon who grew tired of the NDF enna posting. here. and wants to finally end them for it

>>71612135
>i'm totally not a bully bee tee dubs

>>71611963
Finana is not underage you retard. If Finana is struggling for money because she spent half her yearly income on fucking gacha that's her fault. She can go to her little groomer cord and get told whatever bullshit makes her feel better there.

>>71611788
the refugees are fine people, they're not the problem.
it's the hardcore tribalists, mostly sisters brought in by luxiem

>>71612135
I legitimately want to see enna millie and elira given the junk furuta treatment for the shit they've pulled, And i want it livestreamed and posted all over liveleak and all the gore subreddits in existence so the NDF can truly reap the consequences of the vitriol they sowed

>>71597994
The main issue, as of right now, to the most of the board, are the clique allegations. Nobody wants to cheer for people who form what is more or less a mafia. I assume you know about grooming that Vox Akuma did and how racist Uki Violetta is. The main issue that I noticed this board always had with Nijisanji livers, is that their humour isn't compatible with them. If you visit even once or twice the Nijisanji board, it will feel like day and night, compared how the rest of /vt/ speaks. The second reason is most likely tribalism, and I say it as a PhaseFriend and a Tenma Maemi watcher, but I believe people who dislike Nijisanji livers the most probably see it as an extension of the Nijisanji themselves. I apologise to you, HoloFriends, but I believe it is Hololive fans who hate the vtubers from that company for that particular reason. Both Hololive and Nijisanji fans are in a never ending war since the dawn of time, and any way to make their opponent fail isn't below them. This was demonstrated in a great manner when Zaion also known as Sayu released the story about how internal affairs look in Nijisanji, and Hololive celebrated how good of a company Yagoo is running.

>>71612467
holofags are the most hardcore tribalists in vtubing though. "walled garden" and all that. it's indisputable they're the most insular community here.

>>71611936
I would've thought this argument was believable, like, a year ago, before my oshi finally roped me into getting twitter. But I really just don't get where you people even find all of these other horrible twitter users. I just follow the chuubas I like, like their stuff, and sometimes leave a reply. Do you people follow random shitters or derivative "reaction" accounts or something?
I don't use tiktok, and my twitter feed is nothing but pleasant content, so 90% of the faggots I see shitting up this hobby are holofags from here. And the other 10% is probably combination of phase/kawaii/vrt. even the anti-holo shit seems like it comes from other holofags since they talk & behave the same way anti-niji posters do.

>>71612696
There are hardcore hololive tribalists too yes, but a lot of hololive watchers also watch small corpos or even nijisanji. You can see this whenever those "post membership" threads in the catalog pop up. Or you can see this on any other platform where people publicly wear their allegiances on their sleeve.
Meanwhile a lot of NijiEN fans, specifically the ones who watch only boys, end up watching only NijiEN because there are no good alternatives for male vtubers. Again, I'm not talking about the NijiEN watchers who watch only girls because a lot of those people watch multiple corpos. The problem is that the latter type of NijiEN fan or unityfag is quickly bleeding away, leaving the really angry tribalists as the main representative of NijiEN watchers.

>>71611832
>They get shouted down because they're part of a company fucking up on a monumental scale
They are contractually obligated to stay there for a specific amount of time. They can get sued if they break said contract.
>Buy some cement, mix with your coffee and harden up princess. This isn't your personal hugbox.
Ironic how this is always said to people who dare to disagree with the groupthink. If you were an adult, you wouldn't get so angry at the mere sight of opinions that differ from your own.

>>71612428
>Finana is not underage you retard.
She was getting bullied here even before she turned 18, newfriend.
>>71612428
>If Finana is struggling for money because she spent half her yearly income on fucking gacha that's her fault
And homeless people are poor because they spent all their money on drugs or gambling or immigrating from Mexico. Just because it's their fault doesn't mean you shouldn't feel an instinctual sense of pity just from looking at how shitty their life ended up.
>She can go to her little groomer cord and get told whatever bullshit makes her feel better there.
Typically when a girl gets groomed, people blame the groomer, not the victim. Normal people I mean, the ones who don't hate the victims of pedophilia more than the actual pedophiles.

>>71613906
It's hilarious that you think Finana sitting on her ass living with her parents where her only job is to play video is games can be compared to drug addiction or Immigrating to a new country. Go fuck yourself, I've been around actual addicts my entire life and Finana is just a spoiled cunt

>>71613806
>90% of the faggots I see shitting up this hobby are holofags from here
Now you're just making shit up, or you only follow Holo-adjacent vtubers so you only see Holo fans.
The vast majority of people shitting up the hobby are not holofags or nijifags, but outsiders or people who are only casually into the vtubing scene.
Then you have people who are fans of a vtuber or in a adjacent fanbase. Take for example, the recent NijiEN "cancellations". That's all friendly fire from NijiEN fans. I even hesitate to use "fans" because they're an example of the casual outsider I mentioned above, but they are connected to the NijiEN fanbase.

>>71612690
>The second reason is most likely tribalism, and I say it as a PhaseFriend and a Tenma Maemi watcher, but I believe people who dislike Nijisanji livers the most probably see it as an extension of the Nijisanji themselves.
This is obvious from the fact that before the Dokiyab, if you asked a Holofag why he hates NijiEN so much, he'll bring up some shit about Aloe getting doxxed and forced to graduate by Nijifans. As in, NijiJP fans. The ones that existed before NijiEN was even conceived. They are blaming NijiEN for a crime committed two years before they were even born. For a Hologirl that most of those Holofags didn't even watch.

>>71597994
>I mean the ones that hate on girls like Aia or Finana JUST because they have low viewercounts, and for no other reason.
No one does that.
>Imagine if Finana, or Vivi, tried to kill themselves because of how useless they felt, and because of how much bullying they were getting from the rest of the Vtubing sphere.
The point of anonymous image boards is to allow people to say whatever they think, and that includes brutal negative opinions about people. If that's too hurtful for them, they should stop coming here.

>>71597994
You're trying to ascribe logic to console warriors. There are a few decades of evidence showing that they are immune to it. Don't bother. My team good, everybody else bad.

>>71614703
>if you asked a Holofag why he hates NijiEN so much, he'll bring up some shit about Aloe getting doxxed and forced to graduate by Nijifans.
That's literally one guy, I assure you most holofags don't really give a shit about Aloe. But he's one of the more prolific holotribalists on the board.
In fact, that reminds me of that one pomudachi who, whenever asked why he hated HoloEN so much, would bring up some shit about random catalog shitposters making fun of Pomu's surgery, and how he would hate Hololive forever for the sins of some shitposter who pissed him off 2 years ago. He was also one of the more prolific nijitribalists on the board.
Sounds familiar to your scenario, huh? Once you retards figure out how many posts on this board are by a few schizos who like to post a lot, you realize how much of this is manufactured.

>>71614618
I'm glad that you have such a firm, well thought-out case to justify why it's okay to bully Finana. Because you have absolutely ZERO justification for bullying any of the other Nijigirls like Aia or Petra that ALSO get bullied for having low views and low superchats. They're probably already bullied by both the clique AND upper management for said poor performance; why do you think you have the moral right to join the clique and bully those girls alongside them?

>>71614815
>If that's too hurtful for them, they should stop coming here.
I don't think God would see it that way if they ended up actually dying because of you.

>>71615418
I'll make sure to spit in his face just for you then

>>71614658
I only follow small corp/indies, and like I said, the vast majority of shitting I see comes from a pro-hololive, anti-nijisanji angle. even if they're casuals/threadreaders/clipwatchers/whatever. and frankly, i would consider most holofags to be pretty darn casual to the broader hobby. they always seem disinterested or dismissive of others. they're like the polar opposite of phasefags, who take waaaay too fucking much interest in "outsider" chuubas.
again, maybe nijifags are as bad as holofags in terms of being dismissive to other "tribes". but holofags are what I actually see, so holofags are what I focus my criticism on.

>>71615418
>There is no god
>The niji organs are cancerous fucktards
>They deserve to An Hero or Be Hero'd
>The reason why they deserve it is because it would upset the pagpag NDF sisters and i think that is a worthwhile cause
>Also they are nepotistic bullying scumbags

Something tells me OP isn't actually a casual viewer wondering why people hate nijisanji organs, just a hunch

>>71615219
NTA but where is this evidence that Finana is being bullied? Are you saying she's being bullied by catalog shitposts? Ironic when you're trying to avatarfag with someone like Mori who has received far worse treatment from this board, escalating to real life dox. Meanwhile Finana...has people making fun of her numbers. Really? I see people shitposting about Fuwamoco or Bae or insert random vtuber's numbers every day. Meanwhile most people don't give a shit about Finana, and they absolutely don't give a shit about Aia either.
If there's anyone who's being bullied on this board it's Elira who this board has turned into a scapegoat for all of NijiEN's woes to the point where her reputation is completely ruined. I'd say Vox has taken a beating too. Bizarre that you're trying to hold up Finana as an example of being bullied instead of those two. Makes me think you're not being genuine.

>>71615219
If getting some mean comments is really too hard to deal with for Aia and Petra maybe they should quit being a VTuber and go work in a factory or lay concrete for a job instead. I'm sure thats much easier than pretending to be an anime girl on the internet.

>>71615816
you are precisely the sort of nigger for whom this entire hobby would be better off without, regardless of which chuubas you personally support.

>>71615582
Then you aren't paying attention, simple as

Theyre products of a bad company and as long as theyre products of that company theyll get hate from me

That being said outside a few particularly heinous ones (kyo, enna, vox, et al) i think nothing much of them

>>71615943
Suck my dick, streaming isn't hard

>>71616062
not being a miserable cunt devoid of basic humanity is also extremely easy yet here (you) are.

>>71615518
Bro have you ever heard of Pascal's wager? If there's even a one-octillionth of a chance that heaven and hell are real, and that you'll go to hell for not being a good person, then you'd best start kissing His Holy B-hind right now, because no amount of bravado or rebellious attitude will prepare you for infinite suffering and torment.

>>71615816
These are women. They are much more vulnerable emotionally than they are physically. Doki tried to kill herself TWICE just because she couldn't host an APEX tournament or post a music video. I think unbridled hatred from hundreds of people who make their voices very loudly, telling those girls to get breast cancer and die, is worth at least ONE suicide attempt. Half a Doki, if you will.

>>71616130
I focus my empathy on people who actually need it, not a bunch of girls who life live on easy mode.

>>71615582
Well that makes sense, because there's just more holofags overall and like you said, a lot of them are very casual and prone to following popular narratives. That also means that they're also not deeply involved in some of the shittery I usually see while following small corpo drama, because these holofags either don't care or don't even know anything is happening.
>the vast majority of shitting I see comes from a pro-hololive, anti-nijisanji angle
This viewpoint in particular transcended the holofag only sphere once grifters like lawyerdude and popular fleshtubers started covering Nijisanji drama. Once you've reach that point, these people are just general dramafags. You could call them holofags but I doubt they care about hololive, they just think it's better than Nijisanji

>>71616171
If that's your standard for bullying then Holo girls get bullied on this board way more than Nijisanji girls. So why make this about Nijisanji?

>>71616034
i'm giving you the perspective of someone who isn't tied to either niji or holo's tribes. I can't speak for twitter or tiktok, since my twitter feed is entirely pleasant and I don't know how you idiots managed to screw yours up and I don't use tiktok, but I can speak for what I see on this board and it's easily, easily 90% pro-hololive/anti-nijisanji.
even the anti-holo shit is 90% "this holo is so much better than other holo!". people don't shit on gura to make scarle or whoever look better, they do it to make fwmc or whoever look better.

>>71597994
>or Finana JUST because they have low viewercounts, and for no other reason.
Fucking retarded tourist.

>>71615755
>NTA but where is this evidence that Finana is being bullied?
This board is literally using the word "Finana" as a unit of measurement for views. As in, Finana is the absolute lowest common denominator in terms of performance, and that all other Vtubers should worth at least one Finana, if not more.

>>71616548
That's just because NijiEN fans fled in droves recently so there's fewer defenders for them. There used to be a lot more threads where people would shit on HoloEN to talk about how NijiEN is better. In fact there used to be a guy who spammed charts about how NijiEN streamed so much more than HoloEN...he stopped posting those after NijiEN hours went way down. That's just one example.

>>71616548
The sisters get zero traction here with their shitposting anymore, they get instantly ridiculed no matter what because they make it incredibly obvious. They also get shit on Twitter simply by virtue of their company's dirty laundry being aired out by the likes of asmongold and moistcritical, they now have vtuber fans AND normies shitting on them. Then you have Uki shitting on white people every chance he gets pissing off the right wing types. It's gone well beyond hololive at this point. If you actually want to see the sisters plotting you have to go to the doxxsite, it's the only place that will have them. It's there that they've talked strategy on how to shit on hololive and deflect criticism while ignoring reality. Hell they even came up with the infamous blocklist there, complete with doxxing some of the holostars

>>71597994
>but this board is one of the only boards that seems composed of mostly sociopaths
This board is the most fembrained board on the entire website, miles ahead of /cgl/ and /lgbt/.
As for the organs, it's currently impossible to separate them and the pool of radioactive sludge that is Kurosanji. The best you're going to get for several more months is wishing that "the good ones" get the fuck out of there ASAP. Also measuring viewcounts in Finanas might be a bit too mean, true, but it's really funny.

>>71616831
christ anon i'm not that new. i was getting exhausted from holofags on this board long before the selen shit happened, although i'm obviously not gonna pretend it didn't make it way worse.
if you asked me the two worst things to ever happen to en vtubing were myth debuting or the china shit and the more recent selen saga.

>>71615755
Also,
>Ironic when you're trying to avatarfag with someone like Mori who has received far worse treatment from this board, escalating to real life dox.
This board has a deadbeat mod that literally stalks every thread deleting all criticism and dox of Mori, while girls like Pomu have their nude child photos posted up for hours before mods can be arsed to remove them.

The ridiculous mod bias is another reason I hate this board. Mods delete everything critical of Hololive, which makes Holofags think Hololive is perfect and never makes mistakes, which feeds into their egos and makes them shitpost in more obnoxious ways that make the board more annoying to read as a whole. /v/ mods ignoring console war spam because it supports their favorite console is one thing, but /vt/ involves real life people. Dox is NOT something that mods should let their bias take over in whether they remove it or not, because it does actual harm to real-life people.

>>71616660
>This board is literally using the word "Finana" as a unit of measurement for views.
I'm sorry, was there a consensus I missed somewhere? This is the same board that had people spamming Mori horse cock threads or BBC soundposts. There are tons of shitty memes or narratives that get spammed every day on this board. Finana isn't anything special in that regard.
>>71617182
Oh I get it you're literally a Mori anti who's probably one of the people I'm talking about

>>71617182
Here comes the Mori hater

>>71616494
>If that's your standard for bullying then Holo girls get bullied on this board way more than Nijisanji girls. So why make this about Nijisanji?
There is an entire thread dedicated to defending Homostars specifically to spite Nijisisters, even though sisters are the exact kinds of fucking people watching Homos in the first place. THAT is how hard Hololive is coddled and spoiled on this board.

>>71617182
you're about as good faith in your arguments as nijisanji is with how they treat their livers

>>71597994
>Finana
>JUST because they have low viewercounts
Here is your (you), now fuck off. Not reading the rest of this drivel.

>>71617182
Aha. And there we go. By the way, nude photos are NSFW images and those reports go straight to site mods. That has nothing to do with /vt/ mods. So you're throwing a tantrum because site mods fucked up badly once when that shit instantly gets nuked if any mods are on.

>>71610291
>and HoloEN because they spend so much energy hating on Nijilivers that it can't imagine them having a normal happy life behind the screen
who the fuck do you think you're trying to fool especially with fucking mori, hololive fans are far too busy hating other members of hololive and homostars to give a shit about niji literal whos

>>71597994
>finana
>did nothing wrong

are you really nijifans?

>>71617157
oh ok. honestly i don't really disagree with you on all your points there then but i think you're being tunnel visioned when you say it's only holofags. the vtubing community is way more than just holofags especially these days. there's a lot of indie or twitchtuber fans who absolutely hate any corpos too

>>71610291
https://archive.palanq.win/vt/search/filename/1609564520828
>literally only posts in the NijiEN general or catalog threads related to Niji
>except for one post in the Holo gen shitting on Kronii
yeah i fucking thought so you dumb piece of shit, this is why no one likes nijifaggots

>>71610291
>NijiEN because all my oshis graduated, and HoloEN because they spend so much energy hating on Nijilivers that it can't imagine them having a normal happy life behind the screen

and another nijisisters trying to rewrite history.
karma really hit hard huh fatgur?

>>71617750
Get with the times, Grandpa. Fupa Obese is one of the good ones, via being connected to Scarle.

Niji talents deserve failure for associating with an agency that deserves failure

>>71597994
The ones that are left are, to varying degrees, pilled against pandering to straight males. Not to mention how left leaning in general the average niji talent is.

>>71611788
those are mostly dragoons and pomudachi, hardly the same as a nijisister

>>71617723
Oh shit, I remember making some of those posts. Man, I had so many good times in /nijien/ back in the Lazusydia days, back when it wasn't pozz central like it is nowadays. I almost feel nostalgic for those times...

>>71597994
Niji is rotten from the roots up the the fruit (talent) it's a poison pill company that's why I hate Niji

They shouldn't have messed with Selen like that

>>71617859
This is what Nijinigger want you to believe

>>71601065
>>71602362
I too harass people because I don't like the people that like them

>>71618011
hopefully you die

>>71597994
I don’t think anyone actually hates Finana except Sayufans. She’s just an easy target to make fun of.

>>71617610
i mean, i feel like I even see way more faggotry from /pkg/, /pcg/ & /vrt/ than niji shit. i really don't think it's just me having a hateboner for holofags. the catalog is a constant stream of holo vs. holo or anti-niji shit.

>>71618168
At least I'll go to heaven, unlike most people on this board
>then kys already
No thanks, that's a one-way ticket straight to hell. I'll do my time.

>>71609282
Because they're already Holofans. The truth is that 90% of people who post outside of generals are subhumans.

>>71618149
Um anon your anonymous comments are making me uncomfortable could you stop harassing us?

>>71618236
lmao you're going straight to hell either way nijinig

>>71618249
They all come here man

>>71618186
She's retarded and people with more ideology in their brains than humanity think she should be crucified for that

>>71618186
Yeah, everyone love Finana.
Especially after she invite Uki to join Niji girls only stream.

>>71597994
COPE FAGGOT
>TOTAL NIJISANJI DEATH

>>71618281
I'm a kind human being who loves Jesus for ridding us of our sins, and will be charitable and empathetic to the very end.

You? You have a long way to go.

>>71618477
She invited Uki? Ok I hate her now.

>>71618240
well, those subhumans the vast majority of the time either post holo vs. holo shit or anti-niji shit.

>I don't know why you guys hate nijisanji but uh, it's hololive's fault
real subtle

>>71618206
Most small corpo drama never leaves the splits/discords/channels so the catalog won't see it unless someone gets really pissed and decides to air shit out on the catalog (like with boobros recently). The hololive and nijisanji fanbases are intertwined enough and there are enough antis who keep track of the other corpo that people will rush to take down their perceived enemy. There's enough bad blood out there between certain posters that I don't think that ever stops unfortunately.

>>71618602
There's just more of them because Hololive is incredibly massive

>>71618625
They must be desperate at this point.

>>71618236
bro your image history is just you spamming mori hate threads while you're here complaining about finana being bullied
a bit ironic innit

>>71597994
>Posts greedy backstabbing grifter
Checks out. Also yeah i do feel bad for the girls but i still don't want to donate to them knowing that 50 or more % of that shit gets to greedy bastards like Riku. And yes i've had enough empathy, I watched Pomu, Selen and Rosemi(yeah yeah, hololive at home), and i felt really bad after unsubbing from Rose. But i will support them in the future everywhere but this dogshit company. Please Rose run

>>71618565
you are literal shitstain

>>71618655
right, yeah, but the point was that if nijifags here are a turnoff to nijisanji then surely holofags are an even bigger turnoff to hololive. my own personal experience is that holofags are so obnoxious they make me avoid both corps.

>>71618627
I would normally agree with the first part except /#/ exists

>>71618627
>>71618816
sometimes i check /#/ or the reddit (same group of people) during a small corp/indie drama and get morbidly disgusted by the sight of them mentioning a chuuba i follow that they'd normally never, ever talk about.

>>71618811
You have to realise that is irrational

>>71618805
None of what I posted was wrong at the time

>>71618816
>>71618950
It's just insane the jannies let a thread that openly raids the rest of the board live

>>71597994

>Dokibird: Nijisanji is a system, OP. That system is our enemy. But when you’re inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, Managers, Investors, Lawyers... Livers. Of them, Livers are very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these Livers are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these Livers are not ready to be unplugged from the company. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

*OP gets distracted by 3D Petra*

>Dokibird: Were you listening to me, OP, or were you looking at the cute penguin in 3D?

>OP: I was…

>Dokibird: Look again.

*OP looks again. It's Elira with a gun directed at him. *

Dokibird: Freeze it.

*Scene freezes*

>OP: This…this isn’t the AnyColortrix?

>Dokibird: No. It’s another /vt/ training program designed to teach you one thing. If you are not one of us, you are one of them.

>OP: What is it?

>Dokibird: The Clique. They can move in and out of any Liver that are still hard-wired to their system. That means that anyone we haven’t unplugged is potentially a member of the Clique. Inside the AnyColortrix, they are everyone and they are no one. We survived by hiding from them, by running from them. But they are the gatekeepers. They are guarding all the audiences. They are holding all the streams, which means that sooner or later, someone is going to have to fight them.

>>71619023

>>71618816
/#/ is a dramafag general but they just take shit from the catalog 99% of the time. the other 1% of the time, small corpo fans will gossip there, like when phase fans who don't like pippa bring up any drama she's in

>>71618982
which part? i avoid hololive because i find their fanbase to be deeply unpleasant, or at least that the deeply unpleasant parts are too much of a hassle to avoid, and i avoid nijisanji because the tribal shitflinging similarly seems like too much of a hassle to navigate.
also i don't like discord.

>>71619133
lol

>>71597994
Is this a new copypasta?

>>71619108
Kino post

>>71619142
you want an epiphany? search up https://www.reddit.com on warosu. 95% of the results that are about vtubing will be from /#/. mostly /r/hololive, but also /r/virtualyoutubers, which is basically all also hololive.

>I'm a kind empathetic human being unlike most of this board

>>71619348
kek

>>71618011

>>71619348
It’s all so tiresome

>>71619146
That part yes. You are judging people by the worst part of their fans.

>>71617182
If you hate holofags so much, why do you use images of Mori? The tribalfags usually don't like Mori anyway so I don't see the point of getting the same shitters you hate to agree with you.

i woulda agreed with you before the black video. im a pomudacchi and loved elira and very ingrained in the niji community. i think both parties probably fucked up, but its really hard to look at them the same way now. i havent watched a niji stream since they uploaded that video, not sure if i can go back. even DCL is tainted for me and it sucks. Elira bringing in her crew was a double edged sword, on one hand these are REAL friends who have organic relationships and leads to awesome content that doesnt feel forced unlike holo or other non cliquey corpos. but on the other hand you have what happened with Selen where if you arent on the inside it sucks ass.
At this point idk where I am gonna go, if i end up continuing to watch niji, it will be more because of the friends i have in the community since i feel the livers are tainted now.
im really just waiting for my kamioshi to reincarnate.

>>71601065
>t. boot licking samefag

>>71617182
>>71619505

>>71619142
>phase fans who don't like pippa bring up any drama she's in
/#/ posters are mentally ill enough to actively check on people they don't like to bring drama back to their hole

>>71619567
You're using Mori to justify whatever nijis are doing. Gotcha.

>OP has been exposed
MY SIDES KEK

>>71619567
KEK

>>71597994
The absolute state of nijisister begging for mercy when they declared an all out war

>>71619686
It's the bargaining stage again, they keep looping.

>>71619069
I have no idea why do the jannies actively encourage it's existence. The thread actually gets moderated unlike some honest-to-goodness genuine threads by actual fans. Prioritizing that shit stain of a thread over an actual on-topic fan thread says much about the character of the moderators.

>>71619315
oh yeah they're obsessed with reddit but mostly they just seethe about random reddit posts since they love to seethe
it's funny but also irrelevant to this board
>>71619597
i've seen enough genuine number discussion in /pcg/ to know that numberfag phasefags exist, more than in most other fanbases (other than holofags ofc). the sad and unwelcome truth is that there's probably a homegrown numberfag in every general.

>>71609382
>preaches empathy yet shits on Mori
Why?

>>71619780
You have to realize that /#/ is not about numbers

>>71597994
>The people on this board just don't seem as... mentally there, as the people on other boards like /v/
I'm glad I just skipped to the end, very good effort shitpost.

>>71618591

OP BTFO
>OP BTFO
OP BTFO
>OP BTFO
OP BTFO
>OP BTFO
OP BTFO
>OP BTFO
/thread

>>71619883
>I'm glad I just skipped to the end, very good effort shitpost.
Oh wait I missed that
This entire OP is a shitpost, /v/ is easily one of the worst boards on the site kek

>>71619852
Yeah, it's about tribalfaggotry, shitposting and anti'ng vtubers while using numbers as their vehicle.

>>71619892
Seriously, what was she thinking?

>>71619812
Because maybe you weren't around back in the day, but early Mori was a Connor-collabing cunt who didn't appreciate her fans at all. She's had a lot of character development since then, but her old self absolutely deserved the criticism.

>>71620083
Other than the Connor thing that happened like, once a year - first being a kadokawa sponsorship, I don't think that statement is true at all.

>>71619923
And yet /v/ will still feel bad when a big figure like Etika or Toriyama dies. They still have a heart, unlike this board.

>>71597994
Imagine being that guy who hates on the most sweet, pure, kind and cute member left in Niji, gtfo bro

>>71620154
She was a shit person anon

>>71620083
Yet you ask Finana the same clemency you refuse to give Mori.

>>71619780
>the Victor will always be called numberfag
lol , lmao even

>>71620212
I'm sure that's observable beyond your ability to read minds and judge intent.

>>71620170
>pure
>Niji

>>71620159
This board literally had a Toriyama tribute thread >>70874310

>>71620154
She literally said that her fans only made up "5% of her life", despite being 100% of her income. She openly praised fanart of Connor fucking her while deadbeats cried in the corner. She absolutely did not appreciate her fans at all.

>>71620226
Mori wasn't poor like unsuccessful like Finana is. Making fun of her is not punching down in any way, unlike making fun of Finana.

>>71620251
Please learn English if you're going to crawl out of your hole

>>71620083
>making excuses for being a shitty person
have you tried being more empathetic and kind?

>>71620341
>This board literally had a Toriyama tribute thread
Oh that's ni-
>literal first post is using Toriyama's death to attack Niji again
-gger

>>71620537
>attack Nijisanji
anon that's a RIKU KILLED EPSTEIN tier shitpost and you might be autistic if you're taking it as a serious attack

>>71597994
Kill yourself

>>71620426
>She literally said that her fans only made up "5% of her life"
Are you retarded? She said streaming is only 5% of her time and she spends others on background work, including hololive related ones
>It's ethical to shit shit on people if they're currently succeeding, it doesn't matter what they've gone through
Go fuck yourself

Why do you ask people to be understanding of Finana when you couldn't even check the fucking streams where Mori said those things and what she meant? I have never shit on Finana, but I do find in concerning that you find one thing acceptable and another not.

Avatarfag try not to be subhuman trash challenge (impossible)

>>71620334
yes you fucking retard, unless you saying Doki wasn't pure cause she was in it too, not everyone in Niji is a bad person, just like Enna, she's sweet and kind, she doesn't deserve the hate

>>71620792
>not everyone in Niji is a bad person, just like Enna, she's sweet and kind, she doesn't deserve the hate

>>71620898
>not everyone in Niji is a bad person, just like Enna, she's sweet and kind, she doesn't deserve the hate

thanks for agreeing

>>71620898
>she made fun of 4chan that one time, therefore she is literally Sukarno [founder of Indonesia].

>>71620651
>>It's ethical to shit shit on people if they're currently succeeding, it doesn't matter what they've gone through
Holomyth was such a massive golden ticket that it'd take a REALLY shitty life for me to hold back criticism on any one girl. As in, "got blacklisted from her dream industry for speaking out against corruption, got forced into doing porn to survive, only to get molested on-camera by a fat wrestler while in skimpy cosplay" levels of shitty life.

>>71620537
oh wait hold up
you're literally the tribalistic pomufag I mentioned earlier >>71615159
you're one of the biggest tribalists on this board, fuck off

>>71621102
>you're one of the biggest tribalists on this board, fuck off
Being anti-CP and anti-cancer doesn't make me a tribalist, you literal tumor-infested pedophile

Here's a pic of Enna's ass

>>71621000
t. Malaybro

>>71621343
No, you're a tribalist because you're a SEA tribalist and always have been. Imagine saving a pic from fucking facebook.
Btw Pomu was a great girl and deserved better than people like you flying her flag to tribalfag..

>>71621343
i was in the other discussion in this thread about to what extent holofans shit up the board/hobby and i want to interject that people who post these kinds of images have always been the worst niggers on this entire board.

>>71621039
jannies. he said the thing

>>71621039
Yeah right. As if twisting her words and finding reasons to hate her is criticism. You literally lied about what she said. You are in no moral authority or integrity to ask people the thing you cannot provide. If you want people to improve themselves, unironically start with yourself.

>>71621511
i couldn't think of a sufficiently evil character to satirize that anon's post with since using hitler would probably not work so i figured whoever indonesia's founder was might be sufficiently reviled. the takeaway is that people who are still seething about that boring stream are overly sensitive faggots.

>>71621560
They come from one place

>>71620792
Educate yourself

>>71597994
you're a fucking retard nijisister in disguise.

Here's a pic of Enna's ass <3

>>71621745
flags when honestly
they took away ips they can give us this much

>>71621778
I unironically want flags to finally prove people from my country aren't the biggest shitstains in this board.

>>71621751
>Educate yourself
Anon admits to thinking Doki is a bad person cause she was in Niji

>>71621847
You're right, the biggest shitposters will be Americans, just because there are more of them

>>71621777
in the first picture, you can clearly see her labia, but not her butthole, i guess because of the angle. but in this picture i feel like i'm being deprived from a complete, comprehensive view of her ass. i know that she would need to actually spread her cheeks for the level of detail I'm expecting, but I think that's a reasonable accomodation to make if the artist is going to put her in latex to show me the contours of her labia in the first place.

>>71621847
Please stop huffing Pagpag flavored copium

>>71621951
Pagpag is a northerner thing. I eat fresh meat, fish and fruits.

>>71621847
i don't know about the board overall but seafags are unambiguously the top shitstain in my general.

>>71621778
Not as in geographically but as in there's one place on the board they gather and their behavior is spread

>>71621860
NTA but I always thought Doki was fine while she was in Niji. Meanwhile Enna has done nothing to show me that she's not a bitter sociopath. You cannot seriously be comparing the two in any way since the worst you can say about Doki is that she's menhera like most vtubers

>>71622040
just because there are more of them

>>71621655
>Yeah right. As if twisting her words and finding reasons to hate her is criticism
I don't want her collabing with dudes.

I don't want her collabing with grifters that hate Vtubing and exploit it for money.

I don't want her acting like her fans aren't important to her success.

I don't want her acting like she doesn't owe Hololive at least some of the credit, too, and that she should listen to her managers a little more.

All of that is VERY valid criticism, that she has taken deeply to heart, because she doesn't do any of that shit anymore. I just worded it in a series of funny ways because that's how you get people to read your posts

>>71622075
So you act like everyone in Niji is bad when then magically when its about Doki now not everyone is bad?? k bud.. take your schizo meds, either they're all bad or none of them are there's no middle point

>>71622120
i guess if you mean it in a "there are more of them during certain hours due to their timezone" sense, yeah.

>>71597994
Mozzu would ban you and publicly humiliate you for this post, just saying

>>71622170
>Its okay to lie and perpetuate rrats that invite shitposting by same-minded faggots just because!
Yeah no.

>I don't want her acting like her fans aren't important to her success.
>I don't want her acting like she doesn't owe Hololive at least some of the credit, too, and that she should listen to her managers a little more.
You didn't even watch streams back then in 2020-2022.

>I don't want her collabing with dudes.
>I don't want her collabing with grifters that hate Vtubing and exploit it for money.
Ironic, coming from someone defending Finana.

>>71622379
Mozu would beg for my cock like the pickme she is

what's the deal with SEAschizos anyway? i'm genuinely, for real asking. what makes them such obsessive schizos proportionately? why are they so obsessed with cuckshit? it's literal night and day when they become the primary active demographic on here. there's gotta be a reason they're like that.

>>71622686
Most of their population have actual unironic schizophrenia, look it up

>>71622409
>>Its okay to lie and perpetuate rrats that invite shitposting by same-minded faggots just because!
>Yeah no.
Well, she came out a better person because of it, sooo...

>>71622770
schizophrenia doesn't make you a cuck fag... i assume. there's gotta be a lot more to it.

>>71597994
I didn't know much about Finana but her April fools' day ASMR joke really soured my impression of her.

>>71622229
I already said I'm NTA. You're obviously new here so I'll help you, it means not that anon. I don't think being in Niji makes you a bad person at all. In fact, I think Enna is one of the few bad people in Niji.

>>71622817
Your overinflated sense of importance is silly.
Maybe, because of your conviction is so convincing, I should start shitting on Finana to hopefully improve herself. Good idea, anon.

>>71622817
>>/vt/image/rI6sWT8hyTS_VZqSRFhr8g
So the faggot who spams Mori hate threads is a nijinigger? The more we know I guess.

>>71597994
As a Holofan, never disliked Selen or Pomu. They were friends of Mumei and Kiara.
It wasn't until seeing their EN livers having consistent 3view numbers. Reaction was why doesn't the company help them? Have them join in on more collabs and events instead of letting them die. Then learning how they just abandoned other branches, made me despise them. The Zaion incident showed their pettiness, not just the company but also the fans. The world would be better without.

>>71597994
>I mean the ones that hate on girls like Aia or Finana JUST because they have low viewercounts, and for no other reason.
No one cares about Aia enough to hate her. Finana has shit behind her that isn't just a "low viewercount"

>>71597994
I don't like people who support black companies by working for them without criticism.

>>71618011
Just hang yourself already

>>71597994
I dunno, most everyone is ready to move on.

Maybe if sisters & NDF would stop posting aggressive bait threads and stop saying "Dookiebird" like fucking 12 year olds then your oshi's would stop catching strays.

>>71597994
>or Finana JUST because they have low viewercounts, and for no other reason.
I'm not a know it all, but having a groomercord.
Doing asmr and then calling ur fans parasocial fucks, then selling date-related merch right after, sounds like a very reasonable motive to be hated.
But that's just me, and I'm a schizo so I dunno.

>>71622170
Shit eating retards like you should neck yourselves Stop watching vtubers, Go back to K-POP or some other inbred fandom where you don't give a fuck about the people behind the model, and instead EXCLUSIVELY care about the "character".. or rather what YOU think the "character" should be, Fucktard

I don't understand why EOPs are being asked to MC.
Is this another humiliation ritual along with non-JPs being forced to show their bellies?

>>71622379
OP and Moriposter is quite likely Mozzu herself, anonchama. Read between the lines.

>>71597994
IMO the reason for all the passive aggressive, sometimes cruel bullying (such as the Finana unit of measure meme) is because vtubing provides enough detachment between the talents and the fans that they can mentally ignore the real girl behind the avatar when it suits them. You can see this in the horny posting as well: they are 100% a reflection of the poster's fetishes, without a single ounce of consideration for the person behind the avatar. The avatar makes it easier to unconsciously "dehumanize" a vtuber when it suits them, such as when they want to jump on a bullying bandwagon. (Which is a real human trait, as we all learned in high school.) Combine it with the fact that vtubing attracts "our" kind of people in the first place (lonely, weirdos or outcasts, introverts, both male and female) who may arguably have less empathy on average; and that anonymous message boards remove whatever veneer of self-restraint people have on other mediums.

>>71619883
the /co/ part is even funnier

>>71633782
Are you saying that most anti are just their former fans turned sour?
I think those are minority actually.

You aren't entitled to being treated kindly online, tough shit. This safe space and mental coddling has gone too far. People NEED to be raised on the value of early internet and develop their online emotional intelligence instead of being coddled. You WILL be told to kys, you WILL face racism and be ostracized from communities, you WILL be banned from places you like. You WILL meet two faced people. Life isn't easy, it's full of pain and hardship and that includes being online. You cant live in a padded room your whole life, we live in reality not in ideals

>>71597994
>I don't get why people hate Niji
Its better to move on than finding out

>>71597994
To understand the hate, you have to understand the history of EN Vtubing. Incels have, do, and always will be the filter for Vtubers. Because they will shape and mold any woman they find into GFE, and those that don't get caught in the filter either break out into the big-time or fall into obscurity. These Incels make up the majority of the Unicorn "community" and I use that term very loosely (much like your pussy). IronMouse for example got past the filter, while Nene Amano is stuck in it and Mikeneko is falling fast and hard. So when a large majority of Corpo Vtubers do and say things this large "community" doesn't like, their collective seethe and 24 Hour Gay Ops begin. They've managed to turn their own impotent hate against people not doing what they want into a wide berth of hate from same posting over and over again until people assume that's the normal opinion.

No one liked Selen, no one liked Zaion. But what they did like was the perfect excuse to destroy the "unity" company. The fans of Nijisanji do not help their own cause at all, by failing to realize that they are the minority. They should have joined in on shitting on the company instead of going full defense mode. This was the perfect excuse and time to bring up dirt on the talents like Uki and Vox in particular, the forming of the beeg rrat which seems to be somewhat true (though some parts of it I don't believe), and the retaliation of retarded normies who were told "Company made girl unalive!" And parroted it to death. You can't simply look at what is being said, but who is saying it, when they are saying it, and why.

>>71597994
The company is rotten while pretending they are not, the fanbase is rotten while pretending it's all the others, and the talents are no better save for a couple of exceptions that do not invalidate the rule. Truly a shit stain of a company. Go under already.

>>71597994
I don't hate it. It used to contain the homobeggars.

>>71611963
L + ratio. Go educated yourself, you goddamn bootlicker.

>>71617723
Well done, detective Ame.

>>71621483
Let me put on my boots so I can kick it.

>>71617723
Every time I feel some ounce of pity for the Nijisanji stans, this kind of duplicitous gayops emerges from their rancid number. *sigh*
Great digging, Teammate.

she deserves it
anyone still in nijisanji deserves it
nijifags deserve it

your moralfag cries fall on deaf ears
it's time to accept the fire and brimstone

>>71616171
>arguing for pascal's wager in (current year)
Lol use the ontological argument next time, you might convince some brainlets here

>>71616171
The problem is that based on the evidence we have it's equally likely that believers go to heaven and worshippers go to hell. There's bilions upon billions of possible religions, and you can't know which one works.
>>71597994
Ceasing to produce content for them asar is wrong.

>>71597994
When does anyone talk about Aia?