/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Not cute.

Kuzuha...

>>7146829
Men don't want to watch other men. Men want to watch women behind an anime avatar they think they have a chance with.

>>7146829
Being a vtuber is closer to being a host/hostess than being a conventional streamer, but most males haven't figured that out yet.

*western* man

my sharp-chinned malewife is a genius at vtubing thank you very much

>>7146829
because most men are straight, and men are like 90% of superchat donators + women arent going through a sexual crisis like men online are.

Fuwa is funny and even cute sometimes (like when he tried to hide in plain sight in minecraft) no homo

>chumbud
your oshi isn't even good at vtubing

>>7147338
except that format isn't what makes male vtubers successful

>he doesn't know about Virtual Gorilla
lmaoing @ your life rn

Kuzuha Channel is the KING of all vtubers and his streams are an experience for the bros.

>>7146829
froot's son is doing ok I guess

>>7147516
That's because normal people in Japan are always exposed to anime whereas a westerner would have to be a pretty maladjusted weeb to not only be into the culture but to try and emulate it.

>>7147338
Every single popular male vtuber does not do that act. The ones who do have shit numbers.

>>7146829
They just do. I don't really know how to explain it. I just think they haven't figured out the formula for being good at the medium. Males are much more suited for being idiots on twitch.

It also doesn't help that the majority of vtuber fans are male and men don't want to watch other men since that makes you gay.

>>7147615
well next time if you mean western say western

>>7147433
Found that clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c1kdRPKcCw

>>7147615
I didn't know this was a thread about western males. If so, then I agree with that point
>>7147642
https://youtu.be/fm0ki7d_Rac
So are 70% of Kuzuha's massive amount of viewers gay men? What does a gay man have to benefit from watching a retard play FPS all day?

>>7147686
both his actions and way of speaking are incredibly retarded, he's like the anime dude version of those dumb blonde archetypes you sometimes see in mainstream movies

>>7146829
Most people don't watch men for being attractive so the vtuber avatar doesn't matter. They only care about how entertaining they are.

>>7147762
>so are 70% of Kuzuha's viewers gay men
I mean, they have to be right? Why would a straight man watch another man? That just doesn't make sense.

>>7147787
I don't totally agree but yeah, a vtuber Sunohara would be fun.

>>7147805
True. It's also gay to use Amazon, grocery stores, cars, technology, I mean, you are literally depending on a male's work... Just do it yourself and stop being a leech like a woman

>>7147433
i love this retard
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MZuRr_-SL4s

>>7148338
The autism in this clip is too strong

Men will never be a cute anime girl
Western whore will never be a cute anime girl
Please anderstand anon

>>7147805
So who are watching all the males streamers on twitch? Gay dudes? That is a lot of gay dudes on that site if that is the case.

>>7146829
Because being a vtuber inherently requires being an attention whore, which women are innately good at.

>>7146829
Same reason why anime guys aren't as popular as anime girls.

How can you say that when Leos Vincent exists? I literally haven't seen a more entertaining chuuba, no matter male or female

>>7149962
they watch them for their talent/humor/bro experience, all of which a male vtuber could do without their avatar, the avatar just makes it faker and gayer

>>7150062
Kirito

>>7150062
https://myanimelist.net/character.php

>>7147805
Because they like the streamer's content?

>>7150062
The delusion.

>>7146829
Because men are too good at being the primary demographic for watching vtuber's

>>7150062
It's weird how so many people on this board are proud to know nothing about anime. Do you plug your ears when your oshi talks about it or something

Why is there even a weird double standard here for male VTubers vs female VTubers? The same things that make male and female streamers successful should be equally applicable to the VLivers.

>>7150533
because the people who make these bait threads have never watched a single male vtuber and get all their information about male vtubers from other anons who have also never watched them.

>>7150533
most of the western audience is men.
men want to watch cute girls do cute things.
men don't want to watch nerd being mediocre.

>>7146829
Male Chuubas are doing it wrong.
You can't succeed through weeb content because weebs always love seeing cute girls more than people they relate with.
For gaming content though, the good male streamers tend to get a lot of subs by generally being entertaining.
If we just expand Vtubing past more than just a weeb (and occasionally furry) thing, the male Chuubas will come.
I'm planning to start streaming soon. I'll try to appeal to the weeb jokes, and general gaming humor depending on the game or situation.

>>7150533
>male and female streamers successful
are entirely different things and this remains true for vtubing

>>7150654
>I'm planning to start streaming soon. I'll try to appeal to the weeb jokes, and general gaming humor depending on the game or situation.
larp

>>7147446
no but she's cute, funny, and has a great voice which is better.

>>7150125a
Plenty of bro youtubers go behind a mascot or avatar. A vtuber isn't a big jump from that

>>7147762
>>7147654
Not the OP I was just saying

>>7150125
Not all male streamers are facecam streamers and plenty of male Youtubers use a persona

>>7147618
Fuwa's character is literally a host and he made $150k for his 3D debut

>>7146829

Male vtubers are literally worthless and people who watch them are missing the entire point of vtubing. The entire hobby won't be fixed until they are all gone.

>>7150385
Anime is for nerds. Why would anybody watch that shit?

>>7151570
that's true and although he has a reasonably vocal audience of yumejoshi i wouldn't say his content panders to them specifically. at the end of the day he's still a retard playing video games so straight men would still be able to watch him without a problem.

>>7146829
there are much less pressures on men to look good and men are less anxious leading to the high potential men to already be streaming and creating content
this was not the case for women

are male vtubers at least better at games and shit?

>>7151570
He doesn't act like a host the same way Kuroi Shiba does not sit there and bark all day.

>>7151609
He can suck something else.

>>7154652
kek

>>7150533
There's a weird double standard against men in a lot of things, anon. Western society inherently distrusts them

>>7151609
SEEEEEEEEX

>>7155040
Tfw staff and friends got to see his lubed up body with his thin clothes sticking to his skin.. so fucking jealous

>>7151759
Straight men don't watch other men.

>>7155098
Straight men is also what is wrong with the world

>>7155186
This.

>>7155098
if you're so unsure of your heterosexuality that you can't even look at other men doing normal things i'm not sure if you're straight but this isn't therapy so have fun i guess

male chuubas shouldn't even exist logically speaking. after all, why the fuck would women ever be into this shit and why would a guy ever watch them over a normal streamer? yet they do exist and some are thriving. it's puzzling.

asian men are feminine and only appeal to the fattest ugliest loser women who project their own inner desire to be attractive and feminine onto them
western men are fat whiny mewling pathetic losers
the rest are inherently undesirable by default

>>7155784
You could say the same about vtubers in general

>>7147195
/thread

>>7155784
You do realize how much girls can lust over fictional boys

>>7156143
the amount of women who do this are far lower than males.

>>7146829
Because men are generally unsuccessful on a large scale.

>>7155186
YWNBAW

>>7155813
>Fattest and ugliest
Y-yeah

>>7169144
That image screams confirmation bias. Maybe you should check the fans of Rushia.

>>7146829
There are some good entertaining male vtubers, but they are pretty rare.
Most of them are either depressed creepy catboys constantly talking about being "wholesome", insufferable trannies graduating every 2 months because they're having an existential crisis everytime or just boring dudes playing boring games.
Also, the most important part is that normal, well-functioning people don't become vtubers : A retarded, shy and awkward girl is cute, but if it's a guy, it's very often just fucking weird.

>>7146829
because you only watch hololive and think you're turning gay because you saw 5 seconds of holostar in clip you accidentally watched.

>>7151675
T.newfag got into vtubing through hololive in 2020

>>7175493
Kuzuha Channel...

>>7146829
Female audience for vtubers is extremely low, so it's hard for men to see what works and what doesn't work in order to become succesful male vtuber.
Women have thousands of orbiters so it's easy to see what it takes to make tons of money out of them.

>>7175548
Yeah but just cause one male vtuber, doesn't mean male vtubers as a whole can succeed. He is like a 'special' case.

>>7177663
Yeah, they have Jpop or Kpop groups for that or whatever pretty boy they fawn over.

>>7146829
i'd rather watch the real person behind rather than some guy being pretending to be uwu cute anime boi

>>7154610
Yeah

>>7181009
What about like half the Niji males

>>7146829
To answer seriously. Men don't need a virtual avatar to get taken 'seriously' and not just be tits and face and as such can just stream like normal people, which means there really isn't a demand for non 'camwhore' shit since dudes streaming is culturally the norm. (Well for what's normal in streaming culture

>>7181051
So you like normies then? Bruh

>>7146829
There exists No male counterpart of Cunny. No wonder male chuubas are failing desu.

>>7181427
>he doesn't know about bussy

>>7181389
True but its so oversaturated that only a few actually has success without overly whoring for likes and subscriptions. Let alone those that create cults just for sneezing or exploiting the euro fanbase earlier than anyone else like pewdeepie.

>>7146829
>Why do men suck at being vtubers of all things?
Who? Who sucked at being vtubers anon? Name the names.

>>7146829
My cute wife is a lot of things but he certainly doesn't suck at being a vtuber.

>>7146829
Your loss if you only watch lolis you want to groom, malebros have a lot of good content

What? H-huh? What do you mean? I mean...
>>7175493
Oh, this is an EOP thread. Move along then.

>>7181425
no im saying why bother being a vtuber when you're a MALE. its a law of nature. it simply can not happen

>>7181685
Ago is the pinnacle of male vtubers to me. He doesn't rely on games to make a fun stream. Just talking and playing with jpegs and I'm laughing my ass off.

>>7146829
Women aren't simps.

>>7181389
Yeah sure. The virtual avatars desexualize female streamers and makes men look at them more objectively. Are you actually believing this bullshit yourself?

>>7182827
I mean to a point. The avatar is already as sexualized as it can be (in regards to L2D) so after the whole anime bait, vtuber streamers kind of have to be entertaining and have personality unlike normal girl streamers that can just bait their titties and have an audience.
They kind of have to be entertaining past the avatar unlike normal women who can use their bodies so vtubers kind of needed to by necessity be actually good entertainers because the L2D can only work for so long at holding attention by itself.

>>7182231
I know kpop female fans are simps but no one ever talks about them

>>7182231
Basically this.
Female vtubers rely heavily on the simp factor.

>>7183623
Not really. You see this a lot with women who go on streaming sites, show some skin and expect views/money to roll in.
Then it doesn't.

They still have to be entertaining its just the bar is a lot lower.

>>7182231
uhh

>>7184518
Indeed that is a simp woman. You just prove that other guy wrong

>>7184518
See Asia is funny in that it has female simps in appreciable numbers. Since their society ensures everyone is so starved of meaningful human contact or the means to obtain it that women become simps.

But in the west? Bitch wants human contact all she gotta do is go to a bar and open her legs.
She'll still be miserable but it gives her the impression she doesn't need to pay for a facsimile of human contact which is what simps do.

>>7155098

>>7184702
tuch grass

>>7183623
This doesn't make any sense

>>7185312
Live 2D vtubers can't show more tits and visually slut it up harder compared to what a normal titty streamer can do easily. Ergo they kind of needed to adapt and be entertaining to keep the audience they get from being an anime girl.

>>7181709

>>7185470
Do you watch any 3D female streamers aside from titty streamers? Lots of big female streamers don't go around exposing skin to retain an audience. Lilypichu for example.
And on the other hand, you have vtubers like Melody who literally whore themselves out.
Your argument doesn't make sense on both sides

>>7146829
There are successful ones but I personally don't watch them. I can only speak about the cover ones and why they dont work. Its simple...no one wants idol boys they want bros

>>7188997
>Its simple...no one wants idol boys they want bros
Wrong, Holostar doesn't work because :
>Holofans want them dead because of "male"
>Holoantis want them dead because of "holo"
>Cover want them dead because waste of resources

>>7147195
The main answer.

>>7146829
Men dont get the "BFE" audience the same way women do, therefore unless you are capitalizing on the vtuber gimmick somehow its better to just go down the normal streamer route.

The west just wants cute anime girls and gfe in their vtubers. If you're going to stream, just use a cam. If you're good looking, you can get a female simps for the boyfriend experience and if not, then you'll get guys who want the best friend experience

>>7147327
Men watch women because they are cute and/or attractive.
Men watch men because the man is interesting or is good at something.

>>7189729
Thats a /vt/ take not a holo one.

>>7190236
Dream doesn't even use a cam and he has female simps drooling all over him

>>7181201
literally who

>>7181427
>he doesn't know about the bussy and cute dicks

>>7190946
Is there an Astolfo-esque vtuber yet

>>7182231
Female kpop, boyband, vinesauce, MLM, etc. fans would like to have a word with you.

>>7190992
Probably at least one in the indie scene
If the Monster Astolfo could get gays and women to simp for him, so too can a 2D fella

>>7191091
I really can't believe nobody has capitalized on traps yet

>>7146829
i beg to differ

>>7191448
A dude having 3-4k average viewers with TTS is a pretty big accomplishment, despite many people getting filtered by the TTS

>>7191634
And evidently making enough mone to keep going with it.

>>7146829
Women can easily have sex, men can't

>>7191717
Depends on your success in the gene lottery

>>7191746
For individuals yes, as a society/group no, that's just how men/women are programmed to act

>>7191746
Not really.
Lower your standards if a man says no and you'll find a man desperate enough to fuck anything.
A 10/10 billionaire with the sort of mind that happens once a generation is going to turn down most women because he knows he can do waaaay better.

But average guy is not gonna turn down an average girl.
Ugly guy is not gonna turn down ugly girl.

So yeah. Lower your standards girl if guys keep saying no. You're not good enough for them.

I just want a cute boy to throw my money at

>>7191933
That's called a boyfriend anon

Just you wait, there will be trannies more successful that females in the field. And the more westernized it becomes, the sooner it will be so.

>>7191933
I'd be your cute femboy but my voice is too manly.
I mean I've done worse for money.

>>7192082
>I mean I've done worse for money.
Care to share?

>>7192070
The mind of a guy in the body of a girl is truly something to fear

>>7192103
Went diving in raw sewage once. Half hours work, four hours cleaning myself after, half hour getting blood tests once a week a few weeks after and about three hundred pounds for the work.

>>7192117
The mind of a stable male in the body of a female is.
Trannies are unstable and can't pass anyways.

>>7192174
That's harsh

>>7192208
Look at the drag thing. This is the future of vtubing, and I'm not joking.

>>7192208
The one you hear from on social media, sure. I've met a few in software and most of the time they are just like your usual Asperger that you meet in software. They are stable, but they're not that smart either. A few though are very good. I'd rather work with competent people that are a bit weirdos on the edges than stupid people or management-type people

>>7192210
Eh wasn't so bad. My sense of smell is barely functional anyways.
But yeah being a woman is easy. You can get money a lot easier than a man for a lot less effort if you're willing to put aside your dignity.

>>7192243
Perhaps but much as they insist it isn't the whole drag thing is more about exhibitionism than anything else.
So vtubin wouldn't really do it for most "drag queens"
Now if we get better voice changing software? expect an explosion of vtubers.

>>7192311
With mental health issues the goal is management since cure is generally impossible.
Although considering the rarity of actual trannies what you met were in fact probably just poor aspies who got groomed.

>>7192311
Person that is in such a deep conflict with their own identity by definition can't be "a bit" weird. It's full on schizo waiting to blow.

>>7192365
>With mental health issues the goal is management since cure is generally impossible.
That's true, but you know, I believe strongly in live and let live. If I have to work with a schizophrenic person that take his meds and isn't affected too much by his condition, so be it. On the other hand, people that try to get you into their little games or things like that, they can fuck off, even if they're perfectly mentally healthy

>Although considering the rarity of actual trannies what you met were in fact probably just poor aspies who got groomed.
Probably, you have to be a bit on the spectrum to do software for a living. I think it's a good thing though, that means I can more easily get along with my colleagues

>>7192394
It varies from person to person. Some get their pills, ask to be called "she" and that's it, they'll act like normal people. Some other will insist on talking about politics all the time, talking about veganism all the time, and of course practice object-oriented programming. Those are big red flags of someone that isn't doing well. As the other person said, many were probably groomed/baited into it, so their level of dysphoria is lower than "real" trans people, and thus their mental instability is lower as well

>>7192542
What's the deal with OOP and trannies? Does it attract them with rigidity they lack it their own lives? Also ruby and trannies?

>>7192627
>What's the deal with OOP and trannies?
They really like to be right (autistic tendencies), so the minute they discover something that looks like The Truth, they will study it and preach it everywhere (see: TDD, Robert Martin in general, things like that). The useless piles of abstractions also appeal to their autism. Making "clean" code that's "well abstracted" and "respect the SOLID principles", they can understand. Helping the business, helping the clients, they can't.

>Also ruby and trannies?
Ruby in general was a reaction to rigid enterprise development, which used to not welcome fruitcakes like them. Some of them are still skilled, so they ended up in the Ruby community, which then selected more and more for fruitcakes by group cohesion. You can also do all your OOP patterns in Ruby, so it's double the fun for them. Maybe something about "dynamic typing that reflects the fluid nature of the world, like someone can be born a male and become a female" for them?

>>7192770
This is beautiful, and I will absolutely repost it to programmer friends for giggles.